veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

their head is, but the body is flak

for mk1 i usually run uncanny/skullcrusher

decimator is pretty brutal

takes a whle to build up stacks

and 1 miss, it's all gone

[keen nova]

Heads are carapace, everything else is flak despite looking carapace

[gentle yoke]

Just looked and decimator 100%

[unreal nova]

It's risky.

[hollow ibex]

have fun dropping it constantly

[unreal nova]

You miss and poof.

[hollow ibex]

not worth imo

takes a while to stack, goes away instantly

skullcrusher is much more reliable

[gentle yoke]

Mostly just using to clear hordes so I don’t miss much with it

[keen nova]

That's about what I use mine for

[hollow ibex]

that's what i use my shovel mostly for, decimator still feels like shit

[keen nova]

It's on a build where my recon lasgun is the special killer

[hollow ibex]

but you do you

[unreal nova]

Foldables just give you an emergency cracker.

[gentle yoke]

Is foldable shovel good? Just feels really slow but haven’t tried it above malice mode

[hollow ibex]

meh

[keen nova]

It's an acquired taste but good at putting down maulers and crushers

Too slow for horde control imo

[hollow ibex]

completely overshadowed by stuff like DS and rashad (which tbf are busted)

[narrow frost]

mk1 shovel

[hollow ibex]

but horde clear feels much worse than mk1

[narrow frost]

best shovel

[hollow ibex]

i'd rather just use mk1

[gentle yoke]

Rashad? Which one is that?

[hollow ibex]

rashad combat axe

prob the best melee weapon for vet

[gentle yoke]

Gonna give it a shot

Mostly just need something for getting enemies away so I can snipe elites

[unreal nova]

This just explains foldables.

If you like it, you like it.

If you don't, well... Like every other weapon avaliable, is a taste thing barring in havoc.

[latent parcel]

speaking of havoc

Karien fix it!

[unreal nova]

It ded still.

[latent parcel]

😦

[unreal nova]

.-. I don't work for them.

[latent parcel]

but i trusted you....

[gentle yoke]

What’s wrong with havoc? Most problems I’ve had is 12 ragers spawning at once

[spice acorn]

What's a solid voice of command build

[unreal nova]

If I did, wouldn't I have every cosmetic in the game or something?

[keen nova]

Depends on what you're trying to do

Do you want to revive shout? Do you want to just buff the crap out of everyone's toughness?

[spice acorn]

The second choice

[keen nova]

I can send you mine

[spice acorn]

works for me

[latent parcel]

you dont?!

[keen nova]

Shredder frags and weapon specialist with low downtime between shouts

[gentle yoke]

I’m a dirty executioners stance user

[mellow solstice]

Could I have that too to try out?

[unreal nova]

Always get Duty and Honor. ALWAYS.

[spice acorn]

Is that like a crime or something. What's wrong with that

[unreal nova]

Duh, if I did, why would I be using the 'free' stuff?

[latent parcel]

i dont have any either

i still look like a reject

[gentle yoke]

Nothing really, but you kinda just gotta sit back and hope nothing hits you and you can’t get another shot in time

[spice acorn]

I've been meaning to try it out again. Is your build solid for it?

[gentle yoke]

Not really. Still wip

[spice acorn]

I hope it works out for you

What gun do you run with it champ

[gentle yoke]

Helbore mk3a with surgical and falter

Think I’m gonna give sustained fire a go and see if it’s worth

[unreal nova]

I just use the annoying penances outfits.

[pale pecan]

God I wish

[gentle yoke]

What is that helmet lol

[pale pecan]

drip clearly

[pale pecan]

But fr tho

I'm still so disappointed as a Vet main I have to play Zealot to use the weapon I was hoping Vet would get

Esp right after they made so many class exclusives cross class etc

[gentle yoke]

The new sword? I’ve only ever played vet so far idk what they changed

[pale pecan]

Pain

[mellow solstice]

Same, I've only ever played Vet.

[pale pecan]

I've played all the classes

Atleast we'll get Melta but man

I really wanted to fw the Greatsword

[gentle yoke]

Probably gonna play ogryn as my next character because I’m tired of them blocking perfect headshots

[terse idol]

Falter is very bad

Or well its not that bad but it's not staggering things like you would want for it to stagger

[ocean idol]

who got better invis, vet or zealot?

[keen nova]

There's arguments for both sides

Buy and large, Vet can have it for longer, but Zealot gets more damage potential out of it

[terse idol]

definetly recommend you taking weighted fire

With surgical

[tame lodge]

Don't falter

[terse idol]

Imo with toughness refill and the ability for it to last longer vet, but zealots got burst damage

[tame lodge]

Like
You're most likely to kill stuff with weakspot hits

Or crits because surgical

[crimson wyvern]

does the toughness replenishment from medkits contribute to the medkit being used up?

if so this is a huge bad node

[terse idol]

It could only be used when you use regain hp

Let's seeee

[crimson wyvern]

ah right

so if you were on MAX HP but low toughness

it wouldn't restore

[terse idol]

As far as the wiki says it heals up to 2k hp

[terse idol]

It might heal the toughness too without expanding the medkit still? I just don't have a source to support my claim

[frank ether]

It doesnt, but grims will eat them up incredibly fast

its not that field improv is a bad node (which it is competing with literally free grenades but thats not its real problem)

its just unreliable by its nature as you can't really rely on finding crates, they spawn randomly

[wanton dawn]

Field improv is niche at best

It is BiS for karnak though

[frank ether]

oh yeah

its pretty damn good for twins

[pale pecan]

It's also just bad on Havoc

[frank ether]

there are worse nodes to take still

[terse idol]

I thought it'd be better on havoc

Considering the amount of green the enemies could potentially spawn

[pale pecan]

Not with the ammo/toughness reduction no

You get 1 nade back per charge

Only useful for Nuke Ogryn

[wanton dawn]

Field improv could be good in havoc with a teeny weeny adjustment

Remove havoc regen malus on crate

[hollow ibex]

oof didn't realize it impacts nades too

[pastel yew]

okay is this just a me bug or is the whole game fucked

second auric maelstrom completed in a row where right on the end screen

[terse idol]

It always did

[pastel yew]

I get a pop up saying my mission has been aborted due to an error

[tawny timber]

classic

[gentle yoke]

Anyone know what the shortest malice mission is? Trying to do “on overwatch” penance. Made it to the end of terminus and got hit on leaving…

[hollow ibex]

yeah i don't think i've had a teammate that took field improv so never ntoiced lol

[pastel yew]

AND AGAIN I DIDNT GET MY PENNIES FATSHORK WHYY

[empty root]

how do i even begin to do this

[pastel yew]

just use the reconlasgun

get this in no time

[gentle yoke]

Patience mostly

[empty root]

so just stand still and mag dump into hordes (heads)?

[pastel yew]

I mean

you could get it that way yes but

it wouldnt take that long to get through normal play

plus marksmans focus is pretty good

[terse idol]

Well if you want to play it the weird way

[pastel yew]

with auto weapons

[terse idol]

Crouch and melee

Crab vet

[empty root]

what talents do i get?

[terse idol]

But you don't need to stand still for marksmens focus

[dry cloak]

or get some friends and do it on the start of colloseum mission

[pastel yew]

basically only the 15 stack one

[terse idol]

Camo

[terse idol]

imo camo too

[pastel yew]

nah I think we've had this convo before

[terse idol]

As long as you headshot

[empty root]

they are mutmutually exclusive

[pastel yew]

it's just not worth the skill point imo, you can get max stacks instantly

[gentle yoke]

About half through that rn

[pastel yew]

consider that 5 extra stacks is like

50% stronger keystone

[hollow ibex]

i find marksman insufferable without camo

having to ramp up for every fight again is so annoying

as opposed to just starting with 10 stacks

[pastel yew]

it's only the very beginning of every fight

you're only starting with 10 stacks if you're standing still for over 7 seconds like

[empty root]

is it possible to do it with infantry lasgun or headhunter autogun im trying to get their mastery up

[hollow ibex]

and being able to move around and passively recover is really nice

[pastel yew]

idk

literally just spray at horde, instant stacks

[hollow ibex]

i'd rather just be able to focus on what i need to kill personally

[pastel yew]

unless you literally wanna crab walk everywhere which sounds awful and slower than just shooting some dudes

[light ridge]

Just use recon lasgun and spray the horde at head level while ADS, you'll be done in no time

[hollow ibex]

recon las with marksman

i just don't use marksman

[pastel yew]

the auto weapons are basically the only weapons that gain anything from it

and apparently the Ilas

[empty root]

i have to get mastery with headhunter autogun and infantry lasgun, can I use either of those or should i stick to recon?

[hollow ibex]

ilas maybe, MF makes no sense with recon

i'd rather still just use FT at the end of the day

[pastel yew]

ft is just annoying to use since it requires spam pinging

[tall torrent]

It’s just so peak

[pastel yew]

I basically only run ft for the stamina

[light ridge]

Fastest way to get the penance and forget it even exists afterwards

[hollow ibex]

i get that... i'm just lazy and use a mod

[pastel yew]

there's a mod for it?

[hollow ibex]

oh idc about the penance lol

[terse idol]

Well ahh it's more about maintaining the stacks

But yeahh

Unless you're doing like crab vet it's probably okay to skip it

[pastel yew]

I mean you have 6s between kills to move normally

[hollow ibex]

it's called AutoTag

[pastel yew]

I feel that's already plenty time to find another enemy

I Can get being against it for old mf which was only 4s?

or 3

[hollow ibex]

i'm lazy about pinging stuff

[pastel yew]

but after the duration got bumped theres basically never going to be a point in combat your stacks fade

and like someone said, taking camo locks you out of getting 15 stacks which is literally 50% more keystone

[empty root]

I have 5 points left where should i put them

[pastel yew]

for recon las? go right, grab reciprocity for sure

[empty root]

3 left

[pastel yew]

also superiority complex

bottom left

[empty root]

2

[tall torrent]

5% crit chance (right side)

[pastel yew]

last 2 for crit n desperado

depending on your melee

[empty root]

crit?

[crimson wyvern]

my vet just went

[pastel yew]

its an empty node, center left

center right

[crimson wyvern]

"STICKY SURPRISE"

"Urggh that soounded bad"

[empty root]

5% crit over 25 toughness?

[pastel yew]

I mean you can take toughness if you prefer though

vet already has giga toughness imo

[empty root]

or deadshot?

[pastel yew]

deadshot is fun but not that impactful

just kinda nice ammo save

[tall torrent]

U could drop left keystone for 25 toughness and rending strikes in the middle

Recon’s synergy with left keystone is pretty bad

[pastel yew]

need the keystone for penance

[tall torrent]

Oh

Then

[hollow ibex]

rip

[pastel yew]

also it's not that bad ?

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s ass for recon

[pastel yew]

boosts your weakspot n crit which is what you want no?

[tall torrent]

Nah recon innate finesse is like 1.3

You get 75% more of 30%

It’s horrendous

[dawn garnet]

mercantile has infinite spawns

pick the crouch talent

and keep shooting until you run out of bullets

then melee

[tame lodge]

[empty root]

what melee weap should i take

prefferably something i havent maxed

[dry cloak]

psword

[tame lodge]

That shock Maul mastery do be anemic

[empty root]

combat axe or devils claw?

[terse idol]

Caxe

[pastel yew]

at 15 stacks isn't this like a 30% damage increase?

[empty root]

which mark

[pastel yew]

7.5x15=112.5 0.3x1.125=0.3375

[crimson wyvern]

Veteran is literally gasping for toughness without VoC constnatly i hate this lol

[pastel yew]

headshot more stuff

[keen nova]

Combat axe or devil's claw

[terse idol]

Infil

[tall torrent]

Congrats you went from 1.3 to 1.64 finesse

[terse idol]

3

I do recommend looking at the guide to build it properly

[tall torrent]

In terms of scaling it’s not nearly as good as actual finesse guns

[pastel yew]

I mean... that doesn't mean it's bad though, 34% damage increase

for basically no effort

and no spam ping annoyance

though I should check out the mod

[empty root]

for lasgun, headhunter and infernus?

[terse idol]

For ilas?

Or recon?

[empty root]

recon

[terse idol]

Hmm, I don't remeber too well, but it's dumdum and something

[empty root]

i want ammo because im spamming for 2500 marksman penance

[tall torrent]

Yea in comparison laspistol goes from 2.25 to 3.66

[pastel yew]

dum dum infernus my beloved

[empty root]

so crit chance

[tall torrent]

It’s not comparable lol

Marksman focus is really just made for specific finesse weapons

[pastel yew]

ye but you're not comparing it to other weapons xd you're comparing it to itself with another keystone or without one

[terse idol]

If you're spamming it you might as well play crab vet

If you're doing it naturally... hmm imo just play with mf

[tall torrent]

Yea and recon usually is best without keystone if you can’t grab weapon specialist

It wants a bunch of nodes scattered across the tree

Rending for example

[pastel yew]

how much of an impact does the rending actually provide

[ocean idol]

I tested some more and gotta say, Vet's stealth is so much better than zealot's

Taking stealth on zealot is literal trolling

Stelath on vet is ok

[pastel yew]

zealot stealth is damage

[empty root]

makes you able to kill crushers i guess

[pastel yew]

vet stealth is more varied

[pastel yew]

i stand by shooting crushers being immense int

waste of ammo on a gun with infinite ammo xd

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent does full bore work to increase krak damage

[hollow ibex]

i couldn't make zealot stealth work, aside from meme builds

[solar tiger]

it really is

I had to cancel my 39 assignment cuz some dipshit was using it

I wish I could inspect their builds b4 inviting them

[pastel yew]

zealot stealth is fun, it's just it's competing with fury of the faithful which is degenerate strong

[tall torrent]

Flak & unyielding: 0.75 -> 0.85 (multiplicative 13% increase)
Maniac 0.8 -> 0.9 (multiplicative 12.5% increase)

[terse idol]

It helps alot to cut down crusher ttk for recon especially

[terse idol]

Woooahh

[tall torrent]

It matters more than other damage buffs

[terse idol]

[ocean idol]

Charge provides almost as much damage, but has 2 charges and has great utility of movement

[pastel yew]

doesn't seem that nutty I'll be honest

[ocean idol]

Define "make it work"

Because it is playable

Just infinitely worse than charge

[tall torrent]

Compared to what

[pastel yew]

compared to just not having it

[hollow ibex]

my definition of what works is substantially lower on a meme build

[solar tiger]

idk why zealot even has stealth

they're a preacher, not a fucking rogue

wtf

[ocean idol]

What you think of vet stealth though?

[solar tiger]

vet stealth is good

[ocean idol]

and same question to you

[tall torrent]

Didn’t you recommend superiority complex for recon

[pastel yew]

I'd have to sit n do some like... breakpoint testing to see the dif but breakpoint testing auto weapons sounds grim

[tall torrent]

Superiority complex actually does less than rending strikes for recon

[pastel yew]

mostly for melee weapons, and it being one point

[ocean idol]

No, preacher is only middle path

[tall torrent]

In like every situation besides shooting at unarmored

[ocean idol]

Right path is death cultitst

[pastel yew]

to get rending I'd need to take the toughness node too

[solar tiger]

you mean edgelord

[pastel yew]

but ig I could get bring it down if I pathd that way as well

[ocean idol]

yes

[solar tiger]

it's just weird

[ocean idol]

I am somewhat of an edgelord myself

[solar tiger]

you're a shining pillar of faith in a dark world and then you go stealth

like fuck off cunt

[ocean idol]

dod

[solar tiger]

this isn't assassins creed

[ocean idol]

I just told you

IT IS DEATH CULTIST

NO IT IS

Death cultist are exactly that

[solar tiger]

motherfucker

he went stealth

and then screamed

EMEPREORER

he's not a stealthy person

[ocean idol]

YOU TRAXIS-3 DEATH CULTISTS ARE LITERAL CANONICAL WORSHIPPERS OF EMPEROR

AND Most zealous of them all

[solar tiger]

lmaooo

[ocean idol]

they worship Emperor through acts of death and bloodletting

[tame lodge]

That one pious guy that would backstab someone on a dark alley because they didn't pray 25 times a day

[ocean idol]

Actually ROgue Trader dlc shown death cultists pretty well

[solar tiger]

pay your tithe or next thing you know... ||"Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru!!!"||

[ocean idol]

what melee weapon you find best for vet?

[solar tiger]

Not only is it just plain old fucking boring to copy/paste another ability from another class, but it's just fucking lame as hell for a zealot regardless

[solar tiger]

power sword is my shit

[ocean idol]

I

WILL

EAT

YOUR

ASS

[crisp oak]

Do it

[solar tiger]

[crisp oak]

You wont

[ocean idol]

No, death cultists are cool and based

They potentially could be most interesting path

just not implemented well

[solar tiger]

stinky and lame

[tall torrent]

Axe

[ocean idol]

tactical

[tall torrent]

Tac axe is playable, they’re basically DC swords if they did actual flak damage

[ocean idol]

reeee i want eldar weaponry so bad

gimme shurikens

[sullen jacinth]

Hellbore lasgun

[ocean idol]

or at least Needle pistols

[grand perch]

sort of a weird description

i always thought them of more akin to knife without the speed boost on heavy

[tall torrent]

They kill ragers really well which is what most people take DC swords for but they also do damage vs flak

[terse idol]

Rashad mk3

Or DS

DS4

[grand perch]

to me the mobility is more of a selling point

and the less stressful moveset compared to knife

[heavy rover]

depends on what you're looking for in the build

[pastel yew]

no parry though which is basically the only interesting thing about the devils claw

[hollow ibex]

wasn't a huge fan of the tac axe movesets tbh

[tall torrent]

I don’t like banking damage on parry ngl

[pastel yew]

that's fair, more just that it's a fun defensive tool

big agree that this being the only way to deal with carapace is stupid and not fun

I'd massively prefer if whatever the next tide game is has a more complex melee system as

parries n proper blocking would be fun

also being able to actually control your attack direction

something like chivalry or mount n blade

[crisp oak]

I like seeing 20 ragers come at me

And parrying them like its darkspuls

[severe gale]

that’s a very strange comparison

[severe gale]

ohg i see

fair

idk if i agree but i see the reasoning

[severe gale]

nope, smite psyker !

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-shane-gillis-ew-gross-yuck-gif-5023177366843015793

[empty root]

sigh

many more games to go

[vital wren]

Yeah that one was a slog since I didn't normally use that keystone either.

[stark trench]

just use a braced autogun and spray hordes

[vital wren]

https://tenor.com/view/zoidberg-walking-zoidberg-futurama-walking-funny-gif-13167961

[ocean idol]

or vraks

[tame lodge]

Recon Deathspitter 14

Yeah yeah
Mf and Recon bad but that's besides the point

Or

Zarona Shotgun

[terse idol]

Me as I continue to suggest

Dlcaw NEEDS parry blessings

And less "impact"

None

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh
You're getting

[terse idol]

No mordhau

[tame lodge]

Vicious Slice

DevaStrike

[pastel yew]

never played so unsure on the difference

[pastel yew]

for real this would be cool

though having to parry to kill carapace is still problematic

[tawny timber]

i LOVE trying to parry carapace enemies and then smyker comes in and staggers them

[tawny timber]

pls no

i actually really like fatshark's combat system and I do not want it to go away

i dont believe adding controlled directional attacks would fix many weapons

[paper trellis]

What blessings and perks work best on bolter for mulching crusher waves?

[tawny timber]

theres lots of games with directional attacking like that, imo we dont need to lose the extremely fun and unique system fatshark has created to join those games

[paper trellis]

Or perhaps more specifically is shattering impact of any use on hitting breakpoints on crushers?

[hollow ibex]

shattering impact and puncture for reliable 4 shot against crushers

but it's prob not worth it, pretty sure you lose breakpoints elsewhere

[paper trellis]

Was more thinking for my zealot and tbh I tend to get better input here lol

[hollow ibex]

ok yeah that combo's better on zealot tbh

since you should be running knife

most things just get a knife to the face anyway

[paper trellis]

Mhm, pairing it with relic and throwing knives

[hollow ibex]

nice

flamer and bolter are pretty much the only guns i run on zealot lol

[paper trellis]

Part of me wants to use flamer on this spec, but it's so much overlap with relic

[hollow ibex]

well flamer can burn out bulwarks, which is very nice

[paper trellis]

True

[hollow ibex]

like ten bulwarks? no problem

i hate bulwarks

[paper trellis]

Just hate how long crusher kills on relic. It's amazing on everything else but them

[hollow ibex]

i think you one or two shot them with fury right?

it should be reasonably quick both with or without fury

obv need to be careful if there's like ten of them though

[paper trellis]

Hence why focused on crusher waves

[tall torrent]

Shattering + puncture for consistency

But if you like gambling for potentially higher numbers against more enemies, cavalcade is pretty good too

I run cavalcade + puncture

[paper trellis]

Interesting, I'll try experimenting with both

[pastel yew]

it''d just be significantly more interesting

the current forced combo system just feels bad

blocking is also simplistic and lacks a skill component

there's no parrying outside of the devils claw

idk melee could be so much more varied and interesting

it opens up space in enemy design to have certain types of armor strong against different things, or shielded enemies you try to poke around

[tall torrent]

Cavalcade does better into ragers & bosses compared to shattering, but shattering is most consistent vs crushers

I run Boltgun with relic blade so I kind of don’t need my gun to exclusively deal with crushers

[trim steppe]

This literally is already how the game is designed

[pastel yew]

you have no control over which attack in the sequence you do

[paper trellis]

That's fair. Once you've cleaned up a few, the rest are easy pickings for relic

[pastel yew]

and some weapon marks straight up have no variety to their move set

[trim steppe]

You do, you can weave lights/heavies/push attacks to open different combos

[pastel yew]

some weapons straight up do not have thrust attacks though

or X or Y

[tall torrent]

There is a skill component to it, it’s just not coded to do anything by default

[pastel yew]

they're limited and you need to follow set paths to get the thing you want

[tall torrent]

Perfect blocking is a thing in this game

[pastel yew]

rather than applying what is good in the moment

[pastel yew]

it is?

[trim steppe]

Ya

[tall torrent]

It just doesn’t do anything unless u have a specific function tied to it

[paper trellis]

There are a handful of blessings tied to it

[pastel yew]

suchas

[tall torrent]

Perfect blocking is coded as an activation condition

[pastel yew]

mmh okay

[tall torrent]

Perfect block with DC swords’ parry caps the maximum stamina cost to 2 I believe

[trim steppe]

Everybody wants anything other than the game they're playing

[pastel yew]

idk like as a point of comparison

[trim steppe]

Tale as old as time

[pastel yew]

compare pvp in chivalry to pvp in.. uhh

whats that shitty dungeon tarkov game

[hearty panther]

darkest darkness or some shit

[paper trellis]

A directional system is kind of an odd request for a horde game too

[pastel yew]

dark n darker!

dark n darker has melee very similar to darktide

and pvp is far simpler, and far less interesting compared with games with omnidirectional attacking

some weapons don't feel so bad in darktide, the ones with a fun move set

but other weapons are horrendously boring

[paper trellis]

Homie you are allowed to use what you enjoy

[trim steppe]

Fun to you is boring to someone else, and vice versa

[paper trellis]

You don't have to stick to meta

[pastel yew]

wouldnt it be better if every weapon had a fun and varied move set though

[pastel yew]

meta like its not the meta weapons with boring movesets

like the ds

or the rashad

[trim steppe]

Wouldn't it be great if the game was designed so literally everyone was happy about everything? Oh wait that's impossible, people always bitch

[pastel yew]

idk I just see no benefit to the current system

beyond making the game simpler

and maybe that's your pref but, I prefer higher skill elements in games

[trim steppe]

Then play something else, there's like unlimited games in the world

[pastel yew]

am I not allowed to hope for a better combat system in the games I do enjoy?

[trim steppe]

No one's making you play darktide with a Rashad

[pastel yew]

or for the games I like to have better systems?

[pastel yew]

I mean I'm not using it

like realistically, what would having the option to choose your attack types actually negatively effect?

[trim steppe]

The game is the way it is. Maybe program your own game with your perfect combat system

[pseudo fiber]

I mean other than the fact it'd require an entire rework to the games combat system, damage system, blessing system I feel that yes there would be negative effects

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean its not really viable for these changes to come to darktide

but I'm pretty sure I specified a future game

[pseudo fiber]

I mean maybe the UE5 game could have that

[pastel yew]

the ue5 game?

[pastel yew]

such a reductive comment though like.. what does that bring

any time anyone suggests a change

"maybe make your own game"

don't like the crafting?

make your own game

[trim steppe]

Yes because suggesting an impossible overhaul to the entire structure of a game is very constructive

[pastel yew]

its not an overhaul if its a future game though?

[trim steppe]

You're literally saying "I wish this game was a different game"

[pastel yew]

it's just a different direction

also the gameplay wouldnt be that different

it'd just have more player agencyt

[wary spoke]

I am not having a fun time with crosshair hud and custom hud it is so tedious and I don't understand

[pastel yew]

never used these mods so can't comment, what's the effect you're tryna get?

[trim steppe]

Darktide has a million design problems but the core gameplay is fun for a lot of people which is why the game is still played despite having myriad issues

[pseudo fiber]

There are some positions open at fatshark for a game being made in ue5
clearly in the early concept stages right now but it does exist

[pastel yew]

I dont think the combo system is the good part of the darktide game design though?

in fact I'd argue its the primary weakness

[tall torrent]

The question is more like, how much does that added agency matter in terms of unique weapon feels and overall balance

Besides given fatshark’s code I’m sure nothing will go wrong with a deep foundational rebuild to their combat system even for a new game

[wary spoke]

I want my stuff at the center of my screen which I can do relatively easy but the mods have too many options and looks bloated as fuck I want to remove some symbols from the screen and when I remove a symbol the entire crosshair had just disappears

[pastel yew]

I mean it'd open up a significant amount of enemy design variety as it puts the tools in you hands to deal with differing situations.

[paper trellis]

That's largely a matter of subjective taste

[pastel yew]

it'd give weapons more ways to be balanced

[pastel pumice]

Best you join a modding discord server or contact people that contributed to the mod

[wary spoke]

Where do I find them

[pseudo fiber]

#📌communities message

[pastel pumice]

Ask around where you found the mods

[pastel yew]

there is a darktide modding discord, not sure if I can post links here but if you google you'll find it easily

[tall torrent]

I don’t think extra complexity is always a good thing

[wary spoke]

Thx

[pastel yew]

not always, but I think in this case it would be

[pastel pumice]

Communites channel works too

[pastel yew]

more enemy interaction would just be fun

[tall torrent]

DT itself is already unnecessarily complex

[pastel yew]

really?

I wouldnt say so

outside of the skills

[paper trellis]

The different movesets are a key factor for weapon variety too

[pastel yew]

the skill trees n blessings are fucked

but the actual in game combat is pretty simple

[tall torrent]

Buddy I have 2 whole sections in my guide just talking about how damage works

That’s telling a lot

[pastel yew]

yeah but as I said

[trim steppe]

I wish darktide devs would let me fly around in a valk and blow shit up with missles, it would really open up whole new gameplay elements. They could design anti air enemies and missile resistance mechanics

[pastel pumice]

i read the guide

[pastel yew]

100000% they need to improve how things are explained and simplify the stats

[pastel pumice]

saw math equations

i knew DT was much more than just complex

[pastel yew]

that'd just be a completely different game

being able to control your swing direction is no where near as radical a change

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t be opposed to having more unique attacks chained from specific combos tho

Like pickaxes

[trim steppe]

Changing the entire way combat works in a combat game is changing the entire game and the entire code

[pastel yew]

I mean

do you seriously think having omnidirectional attacks

is anywhere close

to literally flying around in a vehicle??????

the attacks and directions are already in the game

[trim steppe]

It's just as pointless of a request

[pastel yew]

you just can't choose their order

[paper trellis]

I mean my judge was geeking out about tanks with heavy flamers with an ogryn. Maybe one day

[pastel yew]

push the tank map would be p fun

like the uhh

egg mission from drg

maybe too gimicky like the train tho

[paper trellis]

It is legitimately adorable how giddy the judge gets over the idea of a tank with a heavy flamer

[pastel yew]

or just stop designing weapons with horrendously simple attack patterns

there are so many spammy weapons in this game

[paper trellis]

Homie, you are allowed to use other combos than the optimal ones

[pastel yew]

a lot of special attacks on melees that are completely useless

[pastel yew]

if there's no point to doing so though?

like compare the combat blade mk3 to half the melee weapons in the game

it has a lot of less than optimal attack patterns

but its fun

its varied

every part of the weapon has a use

then compare that to the dueling sword like..

[paper trellis]

For fun
And if you optimize things like that, you are always going to remove variety

[pastel yew]

there are weapons that just do not have fun combos though

[paper trellis]

What you are suggesting wouldn't fix it, because you still insist on only playing the optimal combo

[pastel yew]

or all the attacks in their combos are of a specific type

like there are several weapons that are just strike downs

or the heavy swords which basically have completely useless lights

or weapons that are just spam lights

[trim steppe]

Here's a thought, there are a variety of different weapons that behave differently. Some are simple, some are complex, some have different use cases.

And you can play with the ones you like

[pastel yew]

I am, but wouldnt it be better if all weapons lacked useless attacks?

or had variety

[solar tiger]

slow claps in power sword

[pastel yew]

at least the power sword has an alt attack chain

which has a unique use

[paper trellis]

Is it fair to assume you run maniac and carapace on your bolter?

[solar tiger]

tbh, I'm sure they'll go back and adjust a lot of them... there's just A LOT of glaring issues in the game atm and idk if it's high on their priority list

[crisp oak]

Unyielding elite, for better boss damage

[solar tiger]

I wish every weapon was viable for H40 as an example

[pastel yew]

I mean they're on holiday rn so

no changes for a while

and the balance team are honestly on crack

[solar tiger]

holiday really has nothing to do with it

[pastel yew]

not to be too rude but I'm convinced they make changes by throwing darts at a dart board randomly

[solar tiger]

it's moreso the development speed at a snail's pace

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/chemicals-reaction-science-chemistry-light-gif-16876739

that one dev carefully adjusting a weapons stats

vs

the other dev leaving horrendously broken things in the game or buffing already s tier options

[ocean idol]

... no?

[pastel yew]

no

?

[ocean idol]

There is only weapon that is too weak, and that is shredder

everything else is good

[pastel yew]

a lot of weapons that are good still have quality of life issues

like the chain axe

[narrow frost]

Shredder is fine

[pastel yew]

also we've seen them carefully give qol changes to the thunder hammer

then just... give the dueling sword to everyone with no changes

[narrow frost]

its amazing if you know how to use it

[pastel yew]

or give better blessings to the plasma gun

which was already giga broken

the game definitely needs more nerfs than buffs but...

eh

[solar tiger]

Honestly? Heavy sword struggles to deal with carapace and there's so many carapace enemies in that mode, but someone gave me a build to try with it, so next week when Havoc is actually working (lmao) I'm gonna test it

ehh

who tf solo'd 40

that sounds aids

the bot AI logic makes me pee blood

[pastel yew]

I assume bots turned off

to avoid the mega spawns

[keen nova]

What logic? The lack thereof?

[solar tiger]

[keen nova]

They're essentially just walking guns

[solar tiger]

yeah basically

does solo havoc work rn?

cuz matchmaking is borked

[keen nova]

I think the entire mode is fucked

[solar tiger]

ah shit

😭

[pastel yew]

I imagine it wont matter anyway since you cant rank or gain rewards

just for the fun of it

mmh

[narrow frost]

isnt tension reduction already a broken mechanic that doesnt work even outside havoc

[pastel yew]

can you start the game with two people

? I thought you needed 4

[keen nova]

I think it's only broken for aurics

I could be wrong but that's it as far as I know

[solar tiger]

this whole game is broken

lol

[ocean idol]

What, chain axe is great

[slow spade]

It works its just mostly you need like someone to truly die or multiple rapid downs

[pastel yew]

needs an attack speed buff so it's not so slow into horde

[narrow frost]

I just never notice it

[pastel yew]

just a qol change

[narrow frost]

I always pub

and they die all the time

spawns dont change

[ocean idol]

can use ranged or krak to deal with carapace

[solar tiger]

oh for sure, but the argument I was having was certain weapons in the higher end content

[keen nova]

But the tradeoff for taking kraks is not taking shredders

[pastel yew]

also needs the ds nuked so it's not depressing to use a balanced weapon while someone oneshots your crusher mid animation

[slow spade]

DS should get brutal momentum

[pastel yew]

also not enough kraks in the world to rely exclusively on that

[pastel yew]

DS should be taken out back

[keen nova]

With all the crushers and maulers havoc spawns? Shit yeah there ain't enough

[solar tiger]

that's the argument I used for why bring an Hsword as zealot, when firestorm + book can paralyze AND fry any horde, then you still have your hammer to 1-shot any bosses

[keen nova]

Even with demo team and stockpile you will never throw enough kraks

[slow spade]

True

[solar tiger]

but ppl just got mad at me lol

not bulwark

[ocean idol]

understandable

[pastel yew]

man bulwarks are

[solar tiger]

bulwark doesn't rlly do any damage

[pastel yew]

so fucking annoying of late

[keen nova]

You just cannot throw enough kraks to deal with the literal 30 bulwarks and crushers that spawn all at once and rush your ass

[pastel yew]

it feels way more common for 3 of them to just spawn inside of eachother

[solar tiger]

kraks are for crushers

[keen nova]

They spawn in groups of 4 lmfao

[pastel yew]

bulwarks are more annoying then crushers fr

[ocean idol]

ogre on ogre on ogre action

[solar tiger]

more annoying

[pastel yew]

crusher does nothing because all its attacks are so telegraphed

[solar tiger]

but not as lethal

[keen nova]

They're the tankiest enemies in the game even without the fucking shield

[pastel yew]

they absolutely can be

their shield bash removes all your stamina iirc

[solar tiger]

meh

[pastel yew]

so they force you to move constantly

[solar tiger]

12 crushers are worse

than 12 bulwarks

[narrow frost]

no

[pastel yew]

their shield hit detection is so wack too...

[keen nova]

I can see where you're coming from but I have to disagree

[pastel yew]

stab them in the side and have sparks come out of no where

[solar tiger]

ig you're a vet tho, so shields piss you off

[pastel yew]

crushers might be more of a threat if uncanny didn't exist

[keen nova]

Even if you have a crusher conga line that can squeeze off an overhead, the disabling power of bulwarks makes them more dangerous to me at least

[pastel yew]

but you have people killing them in 1-3 hits

even the rashad kills em in 3 iirc

[keen nova]

Because my options are

1. Waste a ton of plasma ammo on them
2. Take kraks over shredders
3. Rely on my team to do fucking anything except mind their business

[pastel yew]

all the main meta melee options certainly not the heavy sword tho

[slow spade]

I just use Rashad/Power Sword

DS feels weird to spend more time dancing than killing

[pastel yew]

heavy sword carapace clear makes me want to cry

axe is a much better all rounder

knife number 1 just because you can ignore the game?

[keen nova]

I like the dueling sword just because it's so broken I don't have to waste plasma ammo on crushers

[pastel yew]

yeah dueling sword clear time on carapace is

[keen nova]

I can just heavy>alt poke>heavy then to death

[pastel yew]

stupid

yeah the knife is like... what.. +0.8 speed? x1.25 on top of that

on average ish

hmm idk it definitely feels slow

er

unless you've got damage boosts fromy our ability to speed it up

[keen nova]

DS + Weapon Specialist makes for a ridiculous melee tool

Pop one guy with your gun and just cut up a whole horde

[tall torrent]

Basically

[pastel yew]

man its so rough as I really like the aggression and move speed from the knife

[keen nova]

I just don't like how the axes feel personally

[pastel yew]

but I hate that it lets people speed run off

[keen nova]

Both combat and tac

[pastel yew]

both have horrendously dry movesets

the combat axe is real good tho

[keen nova]

The sapper shovel is that nice middle ground between the moveset of the axe and the stopping power of other melee choices

[pastel yew]

never really got the hype of the shovels

it feels like an ogryn weapon

[keen nova]

And the funny ha-ha shovel men in gas masks have gotten two outfit releases by now

[pastel yew]

mostly just knocking shit around rather than killing em

[keen nova]

Me who plays on Xbox with a controller:

[pastel yew]

both steel legion and krieg have gotten two releases?

[keen nova]

Yep

[pastel yew]

what about the rest of the guard

[keen nova]

And the Cadian heavy battlegear has been around twice

[pastel yew]

wheres my funny vostroyan hat

all the base game gear is also super cadian

[keen nova]

Give me some fucking Vostroyan firstborn

I want to wear bright red and a bearskin hat in a hive city

[tall torrent]

I’ll be really surprised if we ever get a Tanith first & only drop lmao

[pastel yew]

tbf you can

half ghetto yourself a setup

thers a chest cosmetic thats similar ish...

if I'm remembering right

its like white shirt, green neck thing

[tall torrent]

Nah I want a jungle recon sniper poncho for veteran

[pastel yew]

yeah then no dice ;-;

[keen nova]

Oh, the Dorsian campaign scarf?

[pastel yew]

maybe I have no idea

I'd also love a penal legion release

[keen nova]

It's a white tank top with a drab green scarf

[pastel yew]

its so fitting for the game

[pastel yew]

yee yee

[tall torrent]

We got savlar chem dogs released twice

Enough with the coat/jacket endless loop for veteran

[pastel yew]

did we?

I must have missed

[tall torrent]

Yea

[keen nova]

I only know of the once

[pastel yew]

ah its the big ole coat

[tall torrent]

It came out (first)
And got a rerun recently (second)

[keen nova]

I got the jacket because I wanted to make like a field-repaired steel legion set

It was the Moebian 153rd Commissar boots, Chem Dogs Jacket, and the Armageddon Mark 3e pot helm

[tall torrent]

I went back to Cadian light armor

[keen nova]

I am a little pissed we haven't had proper flak armor in the shop yet

Just the heavy stuff

[pastel yew]

the cadian penance armor with the little scrolls is pretty dope

not normally a fan of cadia stuff but that one I am using rn

[keen nova]

I don't like it because it only has one glove or else I'd rock it so hard

[pastel yew]

lets you see your tattoos tho

I dont mind the one glove but

it should be on the other hand probably

[keen nova]

I use the infiltrator chest and boots with the black Agripnna flak helmet in the shop right now

[tall torrent]

No glove no buy

[pastel yew]

get em in...

[keen nova]

My executioner's stance setup has the Cadian 802nd heavy boots and chest with the green agripnna flak helmet from when the game first launched on xbox

My res-shout has the Sludge Camo heavy battlegear chest and boots with a sludge camo command cap for that Kasrkin sergeant look

[tall torrent]

Sludge camo heavy Cadian armor is turbo buggy

[unreal nova]

Quick question, do I uncanny strike or Mercy Killer? Specifically for vet?

[keen nova]

Uncanny

[tall torrent]

Uncanny is safe but boring

[keen nova]

It applies to your guns too

[tall torrent]

No

[keen nova]

Or was it grenade damage ticks while your melee was active?

Like shredder bleed?

[tall torrent]

Uncanny only works when melee weapon is in hand

[keen nova]

What weapon are you blessing?

[tall torrent]

It’s a knife

Mercy killer is only on knife

[paper trellis]

I think he meant the dots

[keen nova]

Ah

I don't use the knife so lmfao

[tall torrent]

DOTs are not “gun”

[keen nova]

Mercy killer is extra damage on bleeding targets no?

[paper trellis]

That’s fair

[keen nova]

I thought the buff persisted for a little bit after you swapped was all

I was incorrect

[tall torrent]

Extra weakspot finesse

[paper trellis]

Nah. Most blessings turn off when you weapon switch

[narrow frost]

actually

[paper trellis]

Actually that reminds me, on the dueling sword, is it typically better to grab extra finesse on dodge or extra crit when paired with uncanny

[keen nova]

I think I use extra crit

[tall torrent]

Riposte is usually better than precog

[keen nova]

But I'm not super knowledgeable on the dueling sword

[tall torrent]

The only exception is zealot where they’re a little more even (because of zealot’s ultra broken duellist talent)

[pastel pumice]

Dueling sword mk4 my beloved

If not a goth mommy under my christmas tree next year

I want a DS

[keen nova]

I love to imagine you just three-stooges poke them in both eyes with the heavy thrust into alt thrust combo

[stable socket]

you can kill a (non-havoc) crusher with ds4 before the overhead lands

[pastel pumice]

That combo literally carried over to when I first picked up the knife

And started trying it out

I legit

Stabbed

[stable socket]

so you don't even need to bother spending the half second on alt thrust to stagger, you can just kill them

[pastel pumice]

Punched

Stabbed punched

It was so funny

me after fighting off a 4 crusher wave while my teammates back up:

https://tenor.com/view/allmight-bnha-mha-meme-fist-up-gif-13588517052470008833

[keen nova]

Smashing heaters into the jaws of men in metal helmets goes so hard

[paper trellis]

Good to know, thank you

[unreal nova]

Is knoife. I was thinking of building it on Vet cos a little better than DS4 on hordes.

LUL.

[pastel yew]

nice thing is that precog lasts for 3x as long

[tall torrent]

Because any weapon that has both of those blessings available usually has very high crit finesse vs unyielding & carapace

[pastel pumice]

DS is NOT for horde clearing

[pastel yew]

personally prefer the longer duration

[tall torrent]

Precog is only 2s

[pastel yew]

riposte I mean

which is 6

[keen nova]

Definitely a single target device

[unreal nova]

I mean, I know. It's the same for knoife.

[paper trellis]

Well yeah, it’s for poking. Very very hard

[pastel pumice]

Knife is gremlin energy

[unreal nova]

Is just knoife has mk6 and you know.

[pastel yew]

based weapon

I regret not using it sooner its so fun

[solar tiger]

that's my favourite kind of energy

[pastel yew]

zoomin

[unreal nova]

And my vet is boom gremlin.

[pastel pumice]

I use it on my Female Loose Cannon Shout vet

Literally the gremlin

[pastel yew]

if only exec stance worked on melee

make it degen broken

[pastel pumice]

Said earlier in general chat

Loose Cannon's shout is so energetic

[keen nova]

If I recall right in the voice flavor text for LC she got caught trying to steal booze from a supply room

[pastel pumice]

She was indeed caught

She tried justifying it, saying something along the lines of,

"Why wasn't there a guard there then?"

[tall torrent]

Yea but duelling sword is turbo cringe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[solar tiger]

why lol, cuz it's good?

[empty root]

its more than good its overpowered

[keen nova]

Probably because it's easy and safe

[tall torrent]

Zero investment melee that’s a bit too good

[pastel yew]

i mean the combat blade isn't exactly a mid tier sleeper weapon

[solar tiger]

ah, ya but cringe? it's just a weapon lmao

[pastel yew]

though yeah the ds is better

[pastel yew]

picture this

[empty root]

combat blade is low S tier, dueling sword is SS+ tier

[pastel yew]

you're a chain axe user, you love this weapon you've invested heavily into the melee tree to make it usable

you're half way through chaining a crusher to death

[keen nova]

If I run smite psyker and use a dueling sword, will I be so cringe that they cancel each other out?

[pastel yew]

when a ds comes along

one shots your crusher

then proceeds to kill the next before you even finish your wind up animation

[solar tiger]

I can see that

[pastel yew]

and they have 0 investment in the melee tree

[solar tiger]

but idk if cringe is the right word

cringe is like, a guy using an OP weapon and then talking shit

[pastel yew]

rage inducing is the word I might use if such a thing happened to me

[tall torrent]

Nah you’d just tank everyone else’s framerate

[pastel pumice]

@tall torrent tried switching it up, love the power sword and rashad

Power sword's PA combo is so good

[pastel yew]

god smite on it's launch was so fucking bad

that and the ogryn box sent my frame rate to 0

[keen nova]

Boom box still makes Xbox chug

[tall torrent]

Thankfully ogryn’s box is down horrendously bad

[pastel yew]

yeah its still not great

at least it's not commonly picked

[empty root]

dueling sword is just straight up busted. There is a reason everyone in havoc 35+ uses it. It was foolish for fatshark to give it to vet and zealot

[tall torrent]

Nah it drops every system’s frames, it’s not exclusive to Xbox

[pastel yew]

it was already busted on psyker

[keen nova]

The fucking purge Staff too

[pastel yew]

and they gave it to classes with better melee....

flame effects with dynamic lighting on are

basically impossible to see anything

or ray traced lighting even

its such a poorly implemented feature

[solar tiger]

it's never felt like a zealot weapon to me either

so i never use it

[empty root]

what feels like a zealot weapon

[solar tiger]

something big and heavy

[tall torrent]

Relic blade

[empty root]

relic blade, thunder hammer, eviscrator?

[keen nova]

I'm gonna guess relic sword and hammer

[pastel pumice]

Relic blade my beloved

[solar tiger]

scuba gets it

[empty root]

knife zealot has entered the chat

[tall torrent]

Relic blade / thunder hammer / crusher / evicerator are like peak zealot identity

[solar tiger]

knife is generic enough for everyone

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately evicerator is

[empty root]

knife is quintessential zealotcore

[solar tiger]

but duelling sword on a zealot feels weird

[empty root]

dueling sword is just knife but it works for a chorus/fury build

[paper trellis]

Knoife is plenty fitting for a soldier. It’s just a little off on psyker

[pastel pumice]

Power fist for Vet when

[paper trellis]

Nah power armor for vet when

[keen nova]

Wire stock autogun for Vet when

I want to go full Steel Legioncore

[tall torrent]

We’re already tankier than power armor

[paper trellis]

But recoil and heavy weapons

And speed

[keen nova]

This just in: yelling makes you tanker than a Space Marine in Gravis armor

[viral nacelle]

A lot of people don’t use ds in h40

I don’t use it 🤷‍♀️

[pastel yew]

god I'd drool

[viral nacelle]

I see a lot of psword, even a chainaxe

[paper trellis]

Or using an inquisitor cross

[empty root]

I have literally never seen anyone use anything but DS at havoc 40

[viral nacelle]

Lotta psykers with deimos/fgs

[viral nacelle]

Do more h40 🤷‍♀️

[keen nova]

That's a book and I don't care who says otherwise

[paper trellis]

“IN HIS HOLY NAME”

[keen nova]

ZESTY BOOK!

[empty root]

I did 4 attempts of 40 to completion and I dont feel like going back

[viral nacelle]

I have had 40 every week it was possible

[paper trellis]

I genuinely love that chorus is straight up just “the power of the god emperor compels you foul heretic”

[pastel yew]

chainaxe? I've not seen another person using one in

eons

[viral nacelle]

Yep

[pastel yew]

rare breed

[keen nova]

Begone from my sight!

[pastel yew]

fun haver

[viral nacelle]

I was MAD skeptical but he made it work

[keen nova]

What do you use?

I am curious

[viral nacelle]

I am a pretty chill host

[pale pecan]

I only use Chainaxe on the dps version of my Grenadier build

[pastel yew]

good, honestly the metaslave culture in havoc is the absolute worst part

[viral nacelle]

I’ve used ds4, relic, deimos, psword, fgs and I’m gonna do a crucis hammer build. I only did ds like once tho because the host asked for it

[pastel pumice]

Mfw im declined because im rocking Reject title and no frame

[pale pecan]

ngl tho it does pain me seeing people tryna join games with just bad curios

[viral nacelle]

I also accept and win with ogryns in the team

[keen nova]

I personally feel like a huge asshole when I cause a loss in someone else's havoc so I do try to use the meta as best I can

[pale pecan]

12% toughness is not enough I'm sorry reject

[pastel yew]

I mean that's fair, but they get three attempts

and a lot of "non meta" options really aint that bad

[pale pecan]

I do feel like the curio rng is the true endgame now

[pastel yew]

my 3 stamina curios are meta you'll see

[viral nacelle]

I had one team derank me from 40 to 38 before we won 😂

[pastel pumice]

3x 3 stam curios?

[pale pecan]

I just feel bad for the people who don't have them already

[pastel yew]

I wish

I only have 1 stam 3 curio

[pastel pumice]

Unfortunate

[keen nova]

I run toughness/toughness/stam

[pale pecan]

It's funny because there is one single build that can make that work

[viral nacelle]

I saw a guy running 3x 3 stam

[pastel yew]

I've been trying to roll one on my psyker for ages and just cannot get them

[viral nacelle]

I was shook

[pale pecan]

But you are like a Psyker with the glass cannon

[pastel pumice]

i also run t/t/s

[viral nacelle]

Same, with CDR, stam regen and toughness for the minors

[pale pecan]

Me with all 430 21% Health Curios on all my characters

[pastel yew]

the main sad thing about running multiple stam curios is that stam regen is a flat rate

[keen nova]

CDR, +T, +S

[pale pecan]

[pastel yew]

which is giga sad

so actually getting all that stamina back takes forever

[pastel pumice]

yes thats on all my curios

[pastel yew]

+ordo dockets... I need my money

[pale pecan]

CDR HP T is my goto

[pastel yew]

I cant afford to buy weapons

[viral nacelle]

IMO stam + stam regen is really good on every class except maybe ogryn

[pastel yew]

not really needed on psyker since your delay is so short

zealot already has fast regen rate I think... cant member

but I guess the faster your base rate the more you get from the curio add on

[viral nacelle]

I’ve been testing an h40 block efficiency taunt shieldgryn with last guard or whatever that mega block cost blessing is

You can right click block reapers with shield and they can’t break you 😂

[pastel pumice]

im 20 ish games from Havoc Exemplar title

[keen nova]

https://youtu.be/IODZV9qE3Mw?si=c6c1SY6nuHMjQcOG

[pastel pumice]

Gonna run that as my main rather than havoc forged

[pale pecan]

The Psyker with Deflector, Kinetic Deflection, and Empyric Resolve mogging 1 million ragers

I still remember the days when Duelling Sword had infinite block

[pastel yew]

me earlier when my two auric maelstrom games bugged and refused to payout my like 120k

[viral nacelle]

People say that but try it, you can feel the difference

[pale pecan]

God honestly that bug is so annoying

[viral nacelle]

It’s also really good to have a lot of stam when doing meleeker with SG so that you can block at max peril

[pale pecan]

I did 2 auric maelstroms and they also didn't pay me

[keen nova]

Kira is the reason why the havoc table doesn't work, she had a big crashout on the Darktide servers

[pastel yew]

yeah I am not playing till its fixed as

that sucks

cant grind auric for mats... cant grind havoc to get my level up

[pale pecan]

I'm doing solo mode and being silly as a Veteran with a Relic Sword

[pastel yew]

yeah I can give it a go, I dont really use many weapons with a good push attack on zealot

mostly on vet

[pale pecan]

||Since Vet should have it||

[pastel yew]

NO! NO!

vet gets no weapons