Yea, I mean, as a soldier, I was thinking one rifle, and one pistol.
#veteran-class
hasty grove
No
formal ice
Ogryn have more drip
cloud quartz
Awesome!
hasty grove
All of the stuff I have I bought with dockets… granted it was just ALOT of dockets
And the backpack was from a penance milestone
cloud quartz
You gotta pay with dockets (the gold coins?), where?
hollow ibex
comissary i think it's called
hasty grove
The Commisary
hollow ibex
oops two ms
cloud quartz
On my Zealot, Level 15 armor is from penance only.
hasty grove
It’s on the far left side of the ship iirc
It has the icon of a breastplate and helmet
hollow ibex
On my Zealot, Level 15 armor is from penance only.
yeah a lot of cosmetics are earned from penances
cloud quartz
The commisary... i thought that was the micro transaction shop...
I love how the Zealot looks, and the religion vibe, but also love how the Veteran keeps his cool and uses his smarts via ranged weapons.
hollow ibex
The commisary... i thought that was the micro transaction shop...
oh there's that too, but it's called commodore vestures
cloud quartz
I'm confused... 🤣
hollow ibex
there's a real money microtransaction shop for cosmetics
and there's a grindiable shop for cosmetics
basically
hollow ibex
nah contracts are for a special currency
that can only be spent with the snooty nobleman, melk
it's for weapons and curios
cloud quartz
and there's a grindiable shop for cosmetics
Hmm... so far I only understand how you get new weapons from the exchange, and new cosmetics via achievements.
hollow ibex
you don't have to worry about contracts too much for now
just do them as they come up but don't sweat them
they're not important even later on anyway
it's just a bonus
cloud quartz
whats the shop called for grindable cosmetics?
hollow ibex
The commisary... i thought that was the micro transaction shop...
this one
cloud quartz
Ahh ok, I remember seeing "Commisary" as a source for cosmetics, in the cosmetics tab of my character for items I don't own yet.
Thought that was some kind of advertisment for the micro transaction shop.
tall torrent
Thought that was some kind of advertisment for the micro transaction shop.
That’s called “commodore’s vestures”
cloud quartz
I think I'm an Ogryn. My brain goes
"First 4 letters are same soo..."
Yea, English is not my first language. That shows now 😅
half flax
Is head hunter and deadly accurate the best choices on vigilant auto?
pale sand
Thought that was some kind of advertisment for the micro transaction shop.
Commodores vestures (pause screen one) is the p2p one. Commissary requires ordo dockets (in game currency)
half flax
alright so
i have absolutely no clue what im doing with veteran
look at the (probably) dogshit i have created
tall torrent
look at the (probably) dogshit i have created
Don’t do this.
half flax
as i said, no clue what im doing, i would like help
grizzled pebble
It's so based.
half flax
why not krak grenade on havoc
tall torrent
Frag is higher priority because it helps clear melee elite waves
If you’re the 2nd veteran and team already has frag + survivalist then krak is not bad
broken trellis
Plasma vet, thoughts/recommendations? I get tons of toughness from horde clearing melee and pop any weird ones with plasma
tall torrent
Plasma vet, thoughts/recommendations? I get tons of toughness from horde clearin...
What’s exploit weakness for
This build isn’t gonna hit plasma’s ideal breakpoints
broken trellis
Exploit is just a bridge to trench fighter drill, do you advise I change up to something else?
tall torrent
Exploit is just a bridge to trench fighter drill, do you advise I change up to s...
25 toughness
And you should build for plasma’s breakpoints
Being able to 1 tap important things makes it much better than having to 2 tap everything
broken trellis
Breakpoints being the "Important Talents" listed under the plasma gun in your doc or am I missunderstanding?
tall torrent
Breakpoints meaning specific damage values needed to kill enemies in as few hits as possible
Plasma gun wants 1 headshot both gunners and both flamers
And 1 bodyshot both shotgunners
Your build is missing those breakpoints
broken trellis
I'll do some digging and rebuild then, thanks. New to this side of things, kinda just got by till now.
burnt vortex
Is this from one of the pins?
tall torrent
Is this from one of the pins?
This is from my work-in-progress steam guide
But the general info is the same in my pinned guide
burnt vortex
jovial aurora
Is relentless strikes bugged rn?
For duelling sword?
Just asked a dude why relentless strikes on his ds in lobby and all he said is there's a exploit rn
tall torrent
Is relentless strikes bugged rn?
Pretty sure no and it’s just bad
half flax
Initially i didn’t like the guns i had to use as vet. Now that i have the bolt pistol all is right in the world
Wish that i didn’t keep getting 60% damage rolls on 22 in a row
It wasnt that much but it felt like it
unreal nova
Anyone for 24-25 havoc? APAC region.
half flax
What’s the differences between bolt pistol and boltgun? Does one deal more damage? Are they same damage?
hollow ibex
What’s the differences between bolt pistol and boltgun? Does one deal more damag...
bistol is much more mobile, but has less damage potential than bolter
half flax
Ah okay
hollow ibex
on vet, with lethal proximity, it can make your frag grenades do funny things though
so it's very good / unique
bolter is a beast of a gun, but definitely not an ideal sidearm like the bistol is
wanton dawn
So... it is a range increase on the explosion ? That's it ?
hollow ibex
25% range increase, nothing to scoff at
it's just the cherry on top for a weapon that's already good
(with the right build)
wanton dawn
Hardly worth locking a blessings slot though imo
burnt vortex
Does recon lasgun fall off in later diffs or does it still do ok?
hollow ibex
Does recon lasgun fall off in later diffs or does it still do ok?
good everywhere
burnt vortex
Neat. Now to figure out it's tree
hollow ibex
Hardly worth locking a blessings slot though imo
? 25% radius buff to shredders is substantial
and what else are you going to take on bistol
you don't need anything besides lethal prox / puncture
wanton dawn
So substantial i never take tinkerer with frags
hollow ibex
wanton dawn
It is not bad. It is not that great either
wanton dawn
Indeed
half flax
What has higher damage per shot. Bolt gun or bolt pistol
wanton dawn
Am pretty sure they got the same dmg profile per shot unless smth was patched...
I dont have game open so cant check
hollow ibex
Can’t check right now but considering bolter does not suffer from breakpoint issues
That bistol suffers from
I don’t think so 🤔
hollow ibex
Actually nvm maybe they do have the same damage
But idk how all the modifiers factor in
wanton dawn
Bolter has better support blessing and takes left tree ranged dmg node while boltpistol enjoyer usually skip them
I dont know how ppl calculates their bp
austere pine
game crashes. i can't get back into the game. game assumes i abandoned my havoc assignment. game takes away a lifeline point.
why is the game like this
vernal trench
game crashes. i can't get back into the game. game assumes i abandoned my havoc ...
F
unreal nova
game crashes. i can't get back into the game. game assumes i abandoned my havoc ...
Assume is the alt+F4 fix. Or they lost while you are rebooting.
tame lodge
What has higher damage per shot. Bolt gun or bolt pistol
Same damage profile
unreal nova
I personally think if you ADS Bolter alot, you are better off with the pistol.
burnt vortex
Is it ever ok to pick up the Determined node?
burnt vortex
Does recon las need it or no?
calm shard
recon las gets fuckton of spread when suppressed so I'd say yes
wanton dawn
I personally think if you ADS Bolter alot, you are better off with the pistol.
Bolter has crit bonus on ads & better cover pen
Also better ogryn stagger properties
unreal nova
The long pull out time though. Brought flamer to Havoc, I can barely use it due to the pull out time.
wanton dawn
Better stagger and suppression oberall
unreal nova
Same issue with bolt gun since trying to lvl mastery on it.
vernal trench
Dodge
wanton dawn
It has harsher weakness yes but it is not like autopistol vs autogun where on is basically a worse version of the other
unreal nova
Is more, the thing I wanted to shoot is already dead.
Boltgun at least works for bosses.
wanton dawn
Funny thing is, boltering boss never worked for me since talent tree update. I just dont get it
unreal nova
Oh, I just act like a can opener with it.
Wait, is unyielding even armor?
Or should I just put something else.
wanton dawn
Unyielding is for monster boss and ogryn non carapace
unreal nova
Yes, is more the blessing where you add brittleness.
wanton dawn
Bolter doesnt benefit much from more armor pen
unreal nova
It's not for me though.
wanton dawn
I mean, you are the one treating bolter as worse rev
Revolver is not treated as a support weapon
So it seems like a weird comparison
tough tiger
unreal nova
I know revolver isn't.
vernal trench
Bolter is good in havoc
unreal nova
It's just there to 2 shot crushers.
vernal trench
Cant say the same about boltpistol
Bolt pistol is just a faster weaker version of boltgun imo
wanton dawn
Well, dont try to put "support" blessing on bolter if you want a fair comparison
vernal trench
Bolter is great
unreal nova
To be fair, you run bolt pistol mostly to buff frags.
IDK if it works with kraks to any real degree.
wanton dawn
Oh well. I dont see much of either rev nor boltpistol played anyway
Or i guess i dont notice cuz i am not impressed
unreal nova
I'm not, Zealot.
unreal nova
Is more, I accidentally brought my boltgun into Havoc.
vernal trench
If ur not constantly shooting shit ur not playing vets intended purpose
wanton dawn
I mean, i can bring both and make them works just fine with a ws build
wanton dawn
I will try it for the lulz, but thats like me bringing bm bayo back in the day
vernal trench
5% isn't that great lul.
In low difficulties
wanton dawn
Youll get 5 nade on average per 100 special. There is variance but at the end of the day, frags is a tool amon others
unreal nova
In low difficulties
I still ran out, lul.
wanton dawn
The 1 node per 60s is better regen in practice
unreal nova
I know. On a more serious build I would only take that one.
vernal trench
I still ran out, lul.
Cuz therres no specials pretty much in low difficulties
unreal nova
Cuz therres no specials pretty much in low difficulties
It was auric maelstrom.
vernal trench
It was auric maelstrom.
Still not much
light ridge
I gave up on the shovel
Mark 3 has good attacks but the heavy special seems to be designed to miss anything relevant
Mark 7 special is perfect but the rest of the attacks are annoying
Both hit like a wet noodle anyway
Back to crushing skulls with my trusty shock maul with thrust & hammerblow
light ridge
Tried it
Hammerblow give crowd control and thrust gives more damage than skullcrusher
oak gorge
Giving the veteran traumatic flashbacks about poxwalkers every halloween by jumping out and scaring him
wanton dawn
Havoc shotgunner do give some ptsd
austere pine
genuinely, learn the shovel horde clear combo and you're set
such a nice, versatile weapon
only thing that makes me not use it is the terrifyingly low unyielding damage
(you legit have better chances killing a bulwark by special hitting his pauldron than getting his head)
light ridge
Skullcrusher High Voltage is infinitely better
Test multiple variations:
Skullcrusher+Thrust
Skullcrusher+High Voltage
Thrust+Hammerblow
Thrust+High Voltage
Skullcrusher+Hammerblow
Dps vs Crushers and Maulers is roughly equal among all combinations on an Agni
Though Skullcrusher+Hammerblow makes light attacks a bit more efficient
light ridge
Skullcrusher+Hammerblow makes light spam on Munitorum very reliable and keeps hordes off your back
Thrust+Anything works well on Agni for heavy spam
stoic thorn
God I love my plasma
warm bolt
Yeah same it grew on me
Still love melta and bolter but the former isnt added yet and the latter has no ammo economy
hollow bane
unarmoured or unyielding on plasma gun?
warm bolt
I use unyielding tbh
Extra damage on them couldnt hurt, you will clear hordes regardless
stoic thorn
unarmoured or unyielding on plasma gun?
The fuck you want unarmoured for lmao
Plasma already shreds the base fools
The groaners and poxers
Everyone else is maniac/flak
stable socket
i think unarmored is for gunners and tox bomber, but not 100% sure
remote sonnet
I just cleared Havoc 40 with this build.
I see people from above talking about how Demo team being not as effective. It more effective than you think when you fight vs high intensity spawn.
latent parcel
holy smokes this tree
remote sonnet
Some people above say that if vet is not shooting, they are not doing their job. But like, Krak kills all of tough enemies, so I'm doing my job of taking out priority target in a different way.
latent parcel
what weapons did u use
wanton dawn
Saying it is not as effective kinda implies we realize how effective it is. Compared to the 60s node.
It is nice node though
latent parcel
very true
wanton dawn
Definitely more consistent than twin blade
latent parcel
20% 
wanton dawn
But id still pick the 50% thoughness node over it when given the choice
remote sonnet
Depend on what you want to do. My way of being ammo efficient is to use grenade. Some people use melee with movement speed.
Also, work great vs bosses
remote sonnet
It works vs cluster of armoured, too.
They don't explode at the same time, have a spread, and 2 grenades from the proc don't stick on the same enemy.
wanton dawn
I mean, am not sure what the argument is. Except for the 50% tr missing and twin blade this is a pretty standard ws build
wanton dawn
The 5% nade regen is not bad. The other node being more consistent mostly mean that if you only have 1 point left you should pick one over the other. Most ppl will take the 2
vernal trench
I just cleared Havoc 40 with this build.
Interesting build, what weapon do u use
wanton dawn
Bolter dclaw
vernal trench
Bolter is good
wanton dawn
Which is the less standard part
vernal trench
I see people from above talking about how Demo team being not as effective. It m...
Demo is so op on havoc
Theres not even any point to bringing the 60s one
wanton dawn
The fact that you need 600 special over a 30 minutes game to generate as much value on average is a pretty good point
Math am i right ?
latent parcel
hell if i know
vernal trench
Whats the value on average
latent parcel
i just pick 1 or the other
vernal trench
U get like atleast 500 elites probably a game
So its pretty good value
And u get grenade pickups too
wanton dawn
Wat
latent parcel
hes taking the nades! someone stop him
maff its time for you to come see my bolter infiltrate vet. login
wanton dawn
Am in vacation
latent parcel
sad
wanton dawn
No intent to login till next year
vernal trench
maff its time for you to come see my bolter infiltrate vet. login
Infiltrate good
latent parcel
not better then shout. its just fun to change it up
vernal trench
Yea
I bring it cuz dumbasses cant stop getting downed even in maelstroms
So i gotta rescue a ton
vernal trench
Meme man
latent parcel
gotta make it fun somehow in 40's!
pale sand
Infiltrate is pretty useless in havoc
Nah man people have literally been using it to solo, apparently it’s not bad. Even the two charge one. https://youtu.be/FLTa5LybWBA?si=51LCRe1mC05dkbqK
split lantern
oblique totem
He isn't wrong though
balmy flume
I feel only Cadian Cut throat is guilty of that
The other two sets of Cadian lines are more muted.
(Most muted with Professional - at most what I am aware of is a light sprinkle of Cadian slang, and the occasional seethed whisper of “This One’s for Cadia” when using Exec stance)
crisp oak
(Most muted with Professional - at most what I am aware of is a light sprinkle o...
male proffesional cadian still dunks on the cutthroat cadian
wanton dawn
Nah man people have literally been using it to solo, apparently it’s not bad. Ev...
Solo is not standard gameloop
It is arguably a different game
supple laurel
Cadian has the funniest voicelines prove me wrong
elder fiber
Nah man people have literally been using it to solo, apparently it’s not bad. Ev...
can't wait for infil to get nerfed like zealot stealth b/c of solo runs
pale sand
Solo is not standard gameloop
he made a team build one too
wanton dawn
You can make it work, like everything. It has interesting properties but in most situation it is a worse version of shout
oak gorge
Cadians when I eat a grape in front of them and it reminds them of their stupid planet exploding
rustic beacon
Does this mean there is no way to hit the breakpoints with ws?
heavy rover
Cadians when I eat a grape in front of them and it reminds them of their stupid ...
Cadians when I get dust in my eye (the dust is a piece of Cadia)
wanton dawn
Does this mean there is no way to hit the breakpoints with ws?
WS buff means you can rely on crit for the first shoot. You can also play agile
rustic beacon
Sorry for the 2nd question: but does puncture actually help with breakpoints? A week ago or so I tested a bit around in the psykhanium and concluded for myself that puncture doesn‘t seem to add anything relevant and therefore opted for surgical to get easy 1shot bodyshot access for specials
rustic beacon
WS buff means you can rely on crit for the first shoot. You can also play agile
Ah true that, makes sense
tawny badger
Cadians when I get dust in my eye (the dust is a piece of Cadia) <:KEKW_ogryn:10...
Cadians when they remember they’re cadian (it reminds them of cadia)
tawny badger
Sorry for the 2nd question: but does puncture actually help with breakpoints? A ...
saves you a second shot when killing mobs like gunners cuz the bleed will finish them off
rustic beacon
But I couldn‘t find any mob for which that was the case for me. I think I tried taking all damage nodes and puncture was like 10 damage off of one shotting the trapper
wanton dawn
But I couldn‘t find any mob for which that was the case for me. I think I tried ...
Did you consider distance mod ?
crude fiber
But I couldn‘t find any mob for which that was the case for me. I think I tried ...
Don't remember how I was built but it would bleed out flamers on a weakspot hit for me
hollow ibex
Sorry for the 2nd question: but does puncture actually help with breakpoints? A ...
it's really close, but it helps with some BPs, and it'll depend on your build too
easiest way is to run FT though
or depend on WS crits
wanton dawn
For instance, bolter without dmg node does not body OS sniper at close range
crude fiber
That's pretty silly lol
wanton dawn
It is. Hard to notice in game
wicked inlet
What is the most cursed veteran loadout and build
wanton dawn
Autopistol chain axe smoke exe mf
short fern
Why would you want the most cursed build though
wicked inlet
Memes
short fern
I think thunderhammer with auto pistol would be slightly more redundant
wanton dawn
Sir this is vet chat
short fern
I forgot vets can’t use it
wicked inlet
Ill keep my combat blade thankyou
hollow ibex
Why would you want the most cursed build though
if you have to use all 30 points, maybe something like this.
oh wait
wicked inlet
Ooo what does this one doo
wicked inlet
Never used smokes are they any good
hollow ibex
just trying to be as wasteful as possible with the points
so take all the travel nodes
no toughness regen nodes
smoke
take the worst possible talents after each travel node
neon lintel
can anyone help me i have a gtx760 and my game wont launch it kept crashing is there any way to fix it?
hollow ibex
and then you get this
wanton dawn
Never used smokes are they any good
Not good enough
rustic beacon
Did you consider distance mod ?
Sorry which one is that again? Am not only rn
hollow ibex
Never used smokes are they any good
good in havoc, not good anywhere else
wanton dawn
Sorry which one is that again? Am not only rn
Every gun has distance modifier on armor type
It messes with bp
rustic beacon
Ahhhh, good question. I didn‘t pay attention to distance at all but I was probably pretty close. Ty for the reminder, gotta recheck later
terse idol
Sorry for the 2nd question: but does puncture actually help with breakpoints? A ...
Its so you don't need to use surgical and you run LP with Puncture
Dredge gunner bp with puncture is just one snap headshot and 1 tick of bleeed
rustic beacon
Ah ok perfect, ty
wanton dawn
I run n gun 
terse idol
I did before 
But then it's just smoother to run puncture because you don't need to tap sprint shoot
Tap sprint shoot
wicked inlet
Next question what is the most based loadout
light ridge
Surgical+Puncture makes it so the rough vicinity of the head kills the gunner
wicked inlet
wanton dawn
But then it's just smoother to run puncture because you don't need to tap sprint...
I dont take lp. I run rng for the swap boost
terse idol
Just take LP
heavy rover
it's beautiful
light ridge
Surgical+Puncture makes it so the rough vicinity of the head kills the gunner
Shoot shotgunner in the groin : Boom headshot!
wanton dawn
Stop guiding for LP when 1/it will eventually get patched 2/frags base are already good
oak gorge
Shoot shotgunner in the groin : Boom headshot!
Free bottom surgery 
hollow ibex
also it's really funny, on a dedicated grenadier build
wanton dawn
Sure, but some play boltpistol without trying to be a chugger
hollow ibex
What does that even mean
wanton dawn
That mean if you play boltpistol to support grenadier, you are not really intending to play boltpistol
tawny badger
Next question what is the most based loadout
the dastardly bleed knife:
hollow ibex
That mean if you play boltpistol to support grenadier, you are not really intend...
Nah
tawny badger
fuck I don’t have the gif
oak gorge
Lacerate knife is the play style of kings
hollow ibex
The thing is, you’re not compromising the effectiveness of the bistol
oak gorge
Relying purely on bleed stacks to kill
hollow ibex
By playing grenadier build
You still one shot anything you need to one shot. The rest doesn’t matter.
wanton dawn
What you are really saying is that other blessing are crap
light ridge
Free bottom surgery <:death:1088024103178473572>
Buckweats
hollow ibex
What you are really saying is that other blessing are crap
I mean that’s also true
Worse version of surgical
Run n gun is eh on bistol
DA isn’t reliable without WS
wicked inlet
Mk 3 catachan combat blade
Flesh tearer, uncanny strike
5% melee critical hit chance
25% damage(carapace armoured enemies)
Paired with shredder grenades
With the grenade regeneration and the skillythat gives a chance to get a grenade on elite kill is fun
I believe in Mk V vraks autogun supremacy
terse idol
Stop guiding for LP when 1/it will eventually get patched 2/frags base are alrea...
Why would it get patched doe
If it wasn't patched at the drop of the steel patch
I'm memeing
More like
I like LP!
RnG is just
a tad clunky
hollow ibex
Lethal Prox would be so useless if this interaction got patched out lol
terse idol
And I don't want to play bistol with surgical and da
bold sierra
it'd be super nice if Infantry Lasgun get a similar brittleness blessing that Helbore has, i'd love that
terse idol
Cause then I'd just play bolter with surgical and da
Or erm
Surgical and pinning or whatever
I'm guiding towards puncture becuase it does make bps easier
With the caviate that it feels weird to like shoot a dredge gunner and not follow up a shot because they bleed out a moment later
wanton dawn
Why would it get patched doe
Cuz all blessing interaction with non held weapon got eventually patched out
wanton dawn
Thunderous, limbsplitter, bm
terse idol
BM on melee weapon, siding to Helbore
Is different
You know what's weird too
Hotshot
terse idol
Thunderous, limbsplitter, bm
Yes melee blessings onto a ranged weapon
Blessings affecting a blitz is okay appearently
Cause knife manstopper railgun is still here
And if they didn't want you to cleave 50 ragers
wanton dawn
Thunderous was patched on frags
wanton dawn
Stop coping
hollow ibex
the bistol interaction they should really patch out is puncture / warp slice
leave my enhanced frags alone
gleaming turtle
the bistol interaction they should really patch out is puncture / warp slice
The what?
terse idol
Stop coping <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Brotherr
Come on man
If they didn't nerf manstopper throwing knife
I don't think they'd nerf LP with grenades
Considering it only affects the radius
Also because LP alone on bistol is useless
Until puncture applies the DOT in an AOE
And LP affects the shot in a bigger radius for the shot
Its stinky
gleaming turtle
https://tenor.com/view/lookaway-looking-omg-dontlook-ohdamn-gif-5530702
Don't worry, I don't even play Psyker
oak gorge
mellow solstice
Question. Is there anyway I can make a recon lasgun vet viable up to Havoc? I really like the stupid thing and can't get myself to get rid of it xD
hollow ibex
yes, because it's one of the meta weapons in havoc
mellow solstice
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194381907278962722/1321901105499865108/c...
That's me right there. :) I have learned to melee until shit hits the fan.
oak gorge
But gun make funny noise
Tbh when I play vet I go meleevet anyway or maybe cosplay as a cowboy with the revolver
Never really use the recon gun
tall torrent
Sorry for the 2nd question: but does puncture actually help with breakpoints? A ...
Yes, flamer and gunner 1HS
gilded wraith
Specifically the mk 6c in havoc.
tall torrent
Does this mean there is no way to hit the breakpoints with ws?
If you take fire team, you can keep full breakpoints
If u want weapon specialist & survivalist, you’re going to sacrifice some consistency (usually vs flamers)
rustic beacon
If you take fire team, you can keep full breakpoints
If u want weapon specialis...
What would I drop by going survivalist+specialist so that I only lose consistency vs flamers?
tall torrent
What would I drop by going survivalist+specialist so that I only lose consistenc...
wdym
if marksman/CQKZ are active or if you have at least 1 rising heat stack (requires 2 shots fired beforehand), u can get flamer 1HS
crit is also 1HS
lapis osprey
This DS plasma meta is gay. Bring back columnus PS meta
latent parcel
use what u want u dont need it for anything in the game lol
lapis osprey
use what u want u dont need it for anything in the game lol
for havoc you do 😦
latent parcel
for havoc you do 😦
Nah
I wouldnt bring an autogun. but you dont need to run plasma ds4
tall torrent
for havoc you do 😦
Nah, there’re other good melee options
And plasma is not the only good vet gun in havoc
latent parcel
^
lapis osprey
PS is weak in havoc 40
lapis osprey
Yeah but u need a really good team to frontline for you then
at that point any of the melee options will work
How about if you are down a player or you queuing with randoms
vital wren
o o f
latent parcel
psword is not bad. trust
lapis osprey
what is your psword build?
midnight totem
What's your build for power sword vet? For havoc?
midnight totem
Nice and simple, I like it
latent parcel
yup
midnight totem
Survivalist?
latent parcel
yea
vital wren
Why would PS be bad? It's a high tier weapon by all account. I prefer Rashad but use PS in a few setups to save on skill points.
midnight totem
I wish I could not run survivalist or shout in havoc
lapis osprey
can you screenshot your build? i'll try it
midnight totem
But it seems like too much of a detriment to the team
hollow ibex
Why would PS be bad? It's a high tier weapon by all account. I prefer Rashad but...
it wouldn't
latent parcel
uh its users choice
midnight totem
Just don't get hit
midnight totem
Though, I'm sure that's supposed to be a bug
lapis osprey
I have these 2
midnight totem
They're supposedly fixing it, I think
hollow ibex
I have these 2
no brumentum on mk6?
lapis osprey
no brumentum on mk6?
replace it with supercharge right?
terse idol
Probably cara
ocean otter
Veteran bad😡👎
thorn lark
Vet so bad 😦
ocean otter
Vet so bad 😦
No😡
thorn lark
So very bad please buff
hollow ibex
yes vet bad, plz buff 🥺
heavy rover
vet doesn't have enough weapons, devs pls buff
formal ice
So very bad please buff
Ogryn need more buff than you do pal, because he must be the strongest
thorn lark
When tdr was additive on ogryns 😭
oak gorge
Ogryn buff so they can eat poxwalkers and receive damage over time but also refills stamina
inland orchid
Eat too many Ogryn gets tummy ache, minor corruption dmg
even more reason to have a clense zel around to purify the “meals”
modern gate
What's the consensus on vet ranged options these days? Still plasma/columnus (vraks)?
latent parcel
I have these 2
go ps6 with slaughterer with pc
oak gorge
Didn’t know the PlayStation 6 was even out
hollow ibex
go ps6 with slaughterer with pc
meta's PC / brumentum on PS mk6
modern gate
depends on havoc or no havoc though
both tbh. Not played vet for a bit, and now the helbores are awful, the vigilant autos are awful, the shotguns are awful, infantry las are (I assume) RSI machines, and non vraks autoguns feel slightly less bad but still bad
latent parcel
meta's PC / brumentum on PS mk6
meta is wrong. slaughterer is better
hollow ibex
hollow ibex
are you talking about havoc or something
latent parcel
of course?
latent parcel
u can run a green powersword in maelstroms
hollow ibex
it's damage distribution...
latent parcel
slaughterer is more dps
hollow ibex
(citation needed)
latent parcel
try it i dont need to tell you
use it in havoc 40 with slaughterer
u can kill moebian without it being charged
hollow ibex
one at a time, sure
hollow ibex
you won't cleave past a dude
inland orchid
Awesome I’m still a scrub at below 10+ havoc rank
hollow ibex
yes?
inland orchid
I gotta level mine up
hollow ibex
i thought that much is obvious
hollow ibex
you're the one who said you don't need more cleave
latent parcel
with slaughterer man
hollow ibex
so i'm just confused why you mentioned slaughterer is more cleave
latent parcel
its enough cleave
hollow ibex
it's not cleave that we care about
latent parcel
let me ask you
hollow ibex
this is an empowered weapon
latent parcel
have u used a ps6 in havoc 40?
slaughterer is better ive used both
but you can run whatever im just suggesting you try it
hollow ibex
empowered weapons have a crap ton of cleave in their powered state
@tall torrent do you know the math for cleave on PS?
hearty panther
11.7 when activated assuming max stats for cleave
hollow ibex
so plenty to make brumentum work normally it sounds like?
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> do you know the math for cleave on PS?
10.9 at 60% cleave target
11.7 at 80%
It’s not relevant
Get 60% cleave target and call it lol
ocean otter
Psyker bad 😡👎
tall torrent
slaughterer is cleave lol
Then get sunder
hollow ibex
10.9 at 60% cleave target
11.7 at 80%
either way still enough to proc brumentum against moebian 21st in havoc 40?
tall torrent
either way still enough to proc brumentum against moebian 21st in havoc 40?
Can’t remember
But power sword is better with sunder in havoc in general
Because you’re not gonna fight basic horde at their full strength most of the time
Sunder is much better vs ragers & maulers
hollow ibex
sunder on mk6? 🤔
hollow ibex
ig, since mixed hordes are prob the concern
hearty panther
21st at H40 have like 700hp iirc? Or very close
oblique dew
Currently leveling up a zealot and wondering what gun types I should level up for end game stuff? 🙂
hollow ibex
the only gun you need is throwing knife
but since you must take a secondary slot, bolter or flamer
ruby hull
at this point fatshark might as well charge vet players 100$ and just merge zealot and vet cosmetics all in one go instead of doing it one week at a time
i love how they cant even be bothered to make new vet cosmetics so they just take zealot ones and recolor them and give them to vet
latent parcel
Then get sunder
Im going to try sunder soon im just fine with slaughterer right now. I agree its really good
terse idol
i love how they cant even be bothered to make new vet cosmetics so they just tak...
We had zealot recolours?
ruby hull
the candle armor for vet was a kitbash of zealot armor
tawny timber
bro is using the wrong letter in havoc
oblique dew
but since you must take a secondary slot, bolter or flamer
Thanks 😁
hollow ibex
learn the way of the throwing knife
oblique dew
I intend to 😎 Throwing knife with relic blade and maybe Chorus
hollow ibex
i fall asleep playing chorus tbh, but it's very good in havoc
oblique dew
Oh I just realised I'm in the wrong channel lmao
serene bough
ig, since mixed hordes are prob the concern
Kind of a tangent to this point but I find most hordes in H40 are dealt most easily with aoe dots
So I don't put too much stock in vet melee horde clear since it's so easy to spam shredders
mellow solstice
Had to hold myself from playing so aggressive with a bolter xD
terse idol
the candle armor for vet was a kitbash of zealot armor
So
Its not a recolour
It just has elements that share armour pieces from a similar set
tall torrent
Im going to try sunder soon im just fine with slaughterer right now. I agree its...
sunder is effectively x4 cleave and can cleave through carapace (stagger up to 5 maulers in 1 swing), it's strong in havoc
tall atlas
Any of you veteran boys have a good voice of command build ? Tryna give my other classes some love
hollow ibex
Kind of a tangent to this point but I find most hordes in H40 are dealt most eas...
yeah ofc
tall atlas
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515648206512168/1319846207660626010...
Appreciate it
midnight totem
quick question
terse idol
Survivalist aura? I mean it has a short internal cooldown but it is technically giving you ammo throughout the entire mission if that's what you're asking
midnight totem
Clearing a level 39 havoc, does that get you the acheivement for havoc forged?
terse idol
5% extra damage aura is fine and can help meet some bps
Focus target and marksmens focus?
Focus target is good for extra damage
Marksmens focus imo is meh, but pairs well with an ilas and potentially automatic weapons
WS imo is too situational for some weapons
midnight totem
You know, the more I play high havoc, the more I come to the conclusion that
if it were not for the ammo aura, or shout
Vet might not be picked at all
queen fox
does 'elites' include ogryns?
tall atlas
does 'elites' include ogryns?
Believe so yes
wanton dawn
Yes
tall atlas
Ogryns and Maulers iirc
wanton dawn
Elite is any taggable enemies that can be found in patrol
gilded wraith
Vet might not be picked at all
Agreed. You'll see requests for psykers and zealots, but seldom vets. Ogryn have it a bit worse though. It was build for staff psykers.
queen fox
i don't like that damage over time is the only viable strat in high level havoc
hollow ibex
no pubs
hollow ibex
you have to have a premade, or go through party finder
heavy rover
I've seen a few pubs on party finder, but you're probably better off with lfg since comms are increasingly important in high havoc
hollow ibex
save your cash and resources until you hit 30
and just play with whatever interests you
none of it matters until you hit 30
invest in a weapon you like
try to get a good roll
then work from there
trying out different weapons and new builds
heavy rover
Once you get to level 30 you can then make optimizations for the specific build you're targeting
heavy rover
The goal for the roll is to have all the stats at 80 except for the dump stat (the stat that does not give meaningful benefit past 80)
hollow ibex
like this
most rolls won't be perfect, and tbf you don't need perfection
but you should invest in weapons that are "good enough"
and then go from there
yeah there's a meta, but i wouldn't sweat too much about it
if you want the meta, there's always the guide in the pins
technically anything can work in late-game
netiher of those weapons are meta though
dclaw is a good sidearm if you're focused on using your ranged weapon most of time yeah
heavy rover
Focus on what's fun for you and what works best for your playstyle
hollow ibex
i still run it on some builds, even if it's not meta
yeh, just have fun and explore the game
little lion
What’s the go to hellebore mark
tall torrent
It gives you basically infinite ammo
Nah
Focus target is good
Marksman focus is niche but can be ok
heavy rover
What’s the go to hellebore mark
Either the 3 or the 5. Depends on what you're looking for
terse idol
Nah
No?! I thought it was
Me when I, go through a mission with survivalist constantly flipping between 1 and 5 bullets
tall torrent
No?! I thought it was
you've been grossly exaggerating a lot of things lol
terse idol
Woops!
wicked inlet
Im looking to find a really good vet build for havoc any ideas
Preferably not with a dueling sword or recon lasgun
tame lodge
What’s the go to hellebore mark
Preference
3 is middle ground
4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game
5 is the fast one
3 and 5 have stabby bayo
wicked inlet
Oooo and for weapons?
tall torrent
Oooo and for weapons?
Plasma, laspistol, recon, boltpistol
Combat axe / power sword
I wouldn’t run this for duelling sword
elder ibex
I have a question about focus target. You get a new stack every 2 seconds. If I have 5 stacks, tag a target, then 2 seconds later I retag the target does it add the damage or replace the debuff.
elder ibex
thanks
wicked inlet
Plasma, laspistol, recon, boltpistol
Combat axe / power sword
And blessings/refine?
tall torrent
And blessings/refine?
Which weapon
tall torrent
Combat axe and Power sword
Rashad mk3 combat axe
Carapace
Elite
Brutal momentum
Headtaker
Achlys mk6 power sword
Elite
Maniac
Power cycler
Brutal momentum / sunder
unreal nova
Also, I finally understand what you all mean after havoc 26, damnation maelstrom be like... RANDOM BS GO.
tacit sonnet
Don't you need unarmored on rashad for bruiser breakpoint?
Because it's an amazing grenade?
The left one lets you do objective and revive easily
hollow ibex
shredders fuck
tacit sonnet
It staggers everything
hollow ibex
one for stagger, 2 for killing mixed hordes
tacit sonnet
And bleeds for a lot of damage on trashmobs
hollow ibex
can kill elites too
hollow ibex
OK but what if I really hate crushers
then take uncanny
orchid hemlock
then take uncanny <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Smh my head
tacit sonnet
I like them if I don't have ranged crusher killing weapons
orchid hemlock
I want to see them turn into Tomatoe Sauce
hollow ibex
though i think with uncanny you still "only" take out half a crusher's health with 2 nades
heavy rover
Bleed stacks, stuns, plus you get an extra grenade compared to krak
orchid hemlock
Uncanny Deez
tacit sonnet
Extra grenade is not that big of a deal since you regen mostly from the talent
1 grenade every minute
It just kills everything. Horde, ragers, maulers, specials
orchid hemlock
Krak this Shredder that
tacit sonnet
It all dies
orchid hemlock
Where my smokies at? 🚬
tacit sonnet
Smoke nades are also good but survivalist is very far
orchid hemlock
OK but what if 420 Blaze it?
tacit sonnet
I would geniunly pick smokes a lot more often if they were in place of shredders
Veteran auras suck so much dick
orchid hemlock
🌲
heavy rover
Survivalist comes in handy when the gun psyker takes up all the ammo
wicked inlet
Rashad mk3 combat axe
Carapace
Elite
Brutal momentum
Headtaker
Achlys mk6 power...
Thank you ill give this a try with recon las
tall torrent
Don't you need unarmored on rashad for bruiser breakpoint?
No, unarmored makes bruiser breakpoint easier but you can get it with 5 headtaker stacks
tall torrent
very good for high difficulties
midnight totem
Can krak grenades kill a high havoc crusher with just one?
green siren
did u come to argue or ask advice?
unreal nova
Can krak grenades kill a high havoc crusher with just one?
I only can say 26 is still instaded.
unreal nova
Had a krak vet on that run, bulwarks, crushers, boom.
midnight totem
Speed, sprint speed, stamina cost, dodge distance
narrow frost
and hover over the stat
austere mica
First is 60% second is 80
green siren
Had a krak vet on that run, bulwarks, crushers, boom.
don't advice him bad habits, he must learn how to kill them without kraks
austere mica
Its a marginal increase in sprint speed really
green siren
same
austere mica
Collateral if possible but still mobility
green siren
mobility/stability/collateral
austere mica
collateral only affects stagger
green siren
what do u think???
latent parcel
very good for high difficulties
tried sunder on the psword. its nice against heavy crowds but shit against moebian. i guess pick what u want it to be good at
green siren
it's common sense
u need as much ammo as possible
no ammo - rifle is useless
because you play on low difficulties
for now
latent parcel
Can krak grenades kill a high havoc crusher with just one?
yes kills them in havoc 40. bulwarks dont die tho
midnight totem
yes kills them in havoc 40. bulwarks dont die tho
without grenade tinkerer yes? or with
midnight totem
huh, good to know, ty
latent parcel
it problay kills anything with it tho
green siren
yes kills them in havoc 40. bulwarks dont die tho
latent parcel
does 4700 dps i think bulwarks have 5k in havoc 40 so it isnt a big deal just poke them once
green siren
they took away the only krak's gimmick
to kill the thing it is attached to, if it's not a boss
terse idol
If you're asking if you should dump ammo stat, yeah naw, iirc it affects how much ammo you pick up too
terse idol
to kill the thing it is attached to, if it's not a boss
High havoc do be hitting different
hollow ibex
Like marks and blessings and allat
depends on the mark, check pins
tall torrent
tried sunder on the psword. its nice against heavy crowds but shit against moebi...
Sunder is for elite
Brutal momentum is for horde
latent parcel
I dont like BM against hordes at all in high havocs
latent parcel
slaughterer feels better lol
tall torrent
So most weapons don’t get to kill them in 1 attack
tall torrent
Sunder is better for power sword’s role in havoc
But I don’t bother with power sword
I just run axe
latent parcel
havoc 40 axe?
tall torrent
Why not
tall torrent
It’s basically the best veteran melee
tall torrent
Well if you want a melee weapon that does everything it’s combat axe
tall torrent
DS4 is irrelevant vs horde
latent parcel
its fine vs horde
tall torrent
It’s only good vs elites
latent parcel
ds4 makes vet feel zealot level easy
tall torrent
its fine vs horde
Nah lol havoc horde has mass buff, DS4 hits like 2 poxwalkers and that’s it
DS4 is just easy to use
And takes like zero investment into right side
If u want melee to do reasonable damage in havoc you basically need red nodes active
tall torrent
i dont know about that chief
What’s missing then
latent parcel
ds4 has fine horde clear and if its mixed then drop a shredder
tall torrent
DS4 is just tolerable
latent parcel
ive never struggled vs a horde with a ds4
tall torrent
You also don’t need to think about horde clear in havoc in general anyway
Half of it is done by a flame weapon
tall torrent
Then DS4 horde clear is ass lol
tall torrent
It’s tolerable at best lol
latent parcel
like i said it does the job
its just borderline broken honestly
i havent taken caxe into 40 tho
tall torrent
Works if you like DC swords
austere mica
perfect
Shred Rampage Flak Maniac when you get down to tweaking it
Blessings then perks
Yes
Flak is the most common armor type and maniacs lets parry blend ragers harder
Yes
past narwhal
New player (both as a Vet and a DT player). Any tips?
latent parcel
New player (both as a Vet and a DT player). Any tips?
go to ur keybinds and rebind ur dodge and jump key to being seperate
past narwhal
go to ur keybinds and rebind ur dodge and jump key to being seperate
Any suggestions what to for controller?
unreal nova
Use alt 1.
latent parcel
shit no i got nothing
unreal nova
And then suffer bad tag button placement.
past narwhal
Use alt 1.
C O N T R O L L E R
past narwhal
What's RB bound to?
tame lodge
New player (both as a Vet and a DT player). Any tips?
Learn how to manage your dodges
Dodge a lot
Kill stuff
Dodge
Be aware of teammates positioning/states
Dodge
unreal nova
It's left bumper to dodge.
Right is ulti.
As a new vet, it's the I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS thing.
Or shout.
hollow ibex
New player (both as a Vet and a DT player). Any tips?
also remember to melee
melee skills are very important
vet isn't just the "shoot everything" class
unreal nova
Or bayonet them, also works.
calm shard
vet isn't just the "shoot everything" class
though they are damn good at it
radiant chasm
its fine vs horde
in havoc? no
lol a single poxwalker will eat your ds4 light and your PA will only hit two
past narwhal
Or bayonet them, also works.
Shovel
past narwhal
I just yell at my teammates to heal them then kill an elite to do it again
Shov-el
untold holly
Ogryn thinking friend
past narwhal
Well, I love the Black Templars. Lack of thinking and charging ahead is required
latent parcel
in havoc? no
just throw a shredder ur good
unreal nova
Lrn2fold.
terse idol
You should focus on uncanny strike and
past narwhal
Crap
terse idol
Skull crusher
If you upgrade to the folding shovels you'll want uh, iirc thrust and uncanny
unreal nova
Shovel is eh
Also, I just realise this, shush. Folding shovel funni.
It goes bonk bonk bonk and can still crack open crushers.
crisp oak
If you upgrade to the folding shovels you'll want uh, iirc thrust and uncanny
yes thrust uncanny
with cara to do the funnycrusher onetap
half flax
I JUST GOT 3 FUCKING 60% DAMAGE BOLTGUNS IN A ROW
unreal nova
I JUST GOT 3 FUCKING 60% DAMAGE BOLTGUNS IN A ROW
That's just normal.
unreal nova
with cara to do the funnycrusher onetap
Funni BONK.
unreal nova
Thus, funni thing goes bonk bonk bonk and BONK open crushers.
orchid hemlock
I JUST GOT 3 FUCKING 60% DAMAGE BOLTGUNS IN A ROW
damage is the dumpstat dont u know?
bold sierra
with cara to do the funnycrusher onetap
honestly I wonder why people don't take folding shovels into Havocs, I've been taking it into Havoc 38+ and one-shotting Crushers easily with Thrust and Uncanny. And its mobility is amazing as well with 5 effective dodges
plucky pewter
Shovel GOAT
bold sierra
it's a shame Havoc players can't see pass certain loadouts. I just did Havoc 38 with Infantry lasgun, team-tag Stance and folding shovel
TEAM TAG STANCE is underrated for havoc I aint gonna lie
bold sierra
Shovel GOAT
it's so good, able to hit that one-shot breakpoint on Crushers even on Havoc38+ (with tag keystone ofc)
and Mutants
tough tiger
it's so good, able to hit that one-shot breakpoint on Crushers even on Havoc38+ ...
how many stacks of focus fire do you need for the one tap shovel?
i wanna use the shovel too now
i miss the horde clear heavies of that thing
hollow ibex
shovel horde clear isn't great, esp the folding shovels
bold sierra
how many stacks of focus fire do you need for the one tap shovel?
Honestly if you have +elite dmg and carapace, none, but a willy-nilly tag is enough
tough tiger
i see
bold sierra
shovel horde clear isn't great, esp the folding shovels
EH, i think it's pretty damn serviceable, was managaing hordes pretty well on Havoc 38 just now, but obviously frags are still better to deal with that.
hollow ibex
it's straight up bad in havoc
radiant chasm
TEAM TAG STANCE is underrated for havoc I aint gonna lie
Not really, people in havoc should know how to pick out elites and specialists
The point could just be used elsewhere
And it gives no buffs
midnight totem
dear vet chat, which pants
yeah, the grox hide leathers were my original set
they look damn good on my ASS
bold sierra
it's straight up bad in havoc
did you even use it at all? I don't want to assume lol, but the amount of people that I see requesting to join my strike team on Havoc 37+ only ever bring dueling swords and all them typical shit, so it's easy to assume a lot of people haven't gone out of their way to actually test other options and experiment.
There are a lot more viable options and builds for Havocs than you think, did Havoc 40 wit Helbore (it actually has amazing melee) and chainsword with RevItUp the other day, bloody amazing.
tall torrent
did you even use it at all? I don't want to assume lol, but the amount of people...
Shovel’s problem is that it doesn’t stagger melee elite groups, loses its 1 tap crusher/mauler breakpoint due to massively increased enemy health, and doesn’t cleave enough horde enemies due to massively increased enemy mass
bold sierra
Shovel’s problem is that it doesn’t stagger melee elite groups, loses its 1 tap ...
it does NOT lose its 1tap crushers/mauler on Havoc 38+
hollow ibex
i mean it struggles already even pre-havoc lol
bold sierra
I played it twice just now
tall torrent
If u really want to play with it I guess it’s playable still
tall torrent
it does NOT lose its 1tap crushers/mauler on Havoc 38+
A full health crusher has 5400hp in max havoc scaling
hollow ibex
for horde clear
tall torrent
Are you sure you hit a full health one
bold sierra
A full health crusher has 5400hp in max havoc scaling
yes, I am aware. Carapace+Elite +Thrust hits the breakpoint
yes
with focus fire, easily
tall torrent
3-stack thrust seems like too much to risk
bold sierra
not really
tall torrent
This still doesn’t address like every other problem I listed lol
bold sierra
This still doesn’t address like every other problem I listed lol
I mean, tbh, there ain't many melees that can stagger mixed hordes with a lot of elites, especially Dreg Ragers
not even dueling swords can do that
tall torrent
Yea, blame fatshark
They didn’t design most melee weapons to be able to take on more than 2 ragers at once
Without hit trading, anyway
bold sierra
I at least can one-tap Dred Ragers easily with folding shovel tho, even not needing to full Thrust, and it staggers them
hearty panther
that's why u need ogryn
tall torrent
I at least can one-tap Dred Ragers easily with folding shovel tho, even not need...
Yea, it hits one, and the other 4+ won’t really care
bold sierra
Yea, it hits one, and the other 4+ won’t really care
sure, but it's better than leaving all 5+ alive lol, just gotta be careful ofc.
I'm gonna test infantry lasgun with Falter soon on Havoc 38, so dreg ragers might not even be that bad
tall torrent
Infantry lasgun doesn’t stagger rager even with falter
Falter is for staggering gunner / shotgunner / flamer
bold sierra
Falter is for staggering gunner / shotgunner / flamer
yeah I suppose not
but gunners staggering is pretty good
tall torrent
It’s kind of worse than you think because their staggered animation are really hard to get headshots on
Flamer stagger is huge tho
bold sierra
It’s kind of worse than you think because their staggered animation are really h...
maybe, but it's great to bring them out of the fight quickly imo, it's why I LOVE slug shotguns on Havocs
bold sierra
maybe I'll reconsider, but I will admit...infantry lasguns dont have many good blessings
tall torrent
So it gives you a harder time killing gunners in reality
But it’s really nice for staggering flamers
bold sierra
-react all you like @hollow ibex , I did Havoc 40 with sluggies and it was amazing, not much more to prove xD. But then again, I was using it on Zealot with impact talents, it's not that great on Vet without any staggering
hollow ibex
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376> -react all you like <@195316712143323137> , I d...
as long as you're having fun lol
narrow frost
I saw a havoc 40 once
bold sierra
Not really, people in havoc should know how to pick out elites and specialists
tbh, I do agree that that is optimal. But I wouldn't see pass the value of showing where elites/specials are coming from before they show up on view, or behind gigantic hordes of grunts lol. ANd it's more or less a decent bonus to Stance.
It might provide no buffs, but my buddy said it did feel nice to have the gunners on the defense part of the Snow map tagged, with how big that area is and how many gunners usually spawn at the back. Also great for smoke grenades xD.
Granted, I was using Hellbore with that setup, so it was easier to kill elites and gunners.
silk bobcat
Getting kinda bored of the dueling sword. Power maul was pretty cool, what melee would y’all recommend branching out to next
tall torrent
Getting kinda bored of the dueling sword. Power maul was pretty cool, what melee...
Combat axe
bold sierra
Getting kinda bored of the dueling sword. Power maul was pretty cool, what melee...
been running folding shovels a lot, chainsword with RevItUp is actually pretty cool imo xD (I found that the cleave blessings don't do too much, might as well go all out utility with bleed), Tactical Axe is nice too, got that special attack that can stunlock Ragers.
hollow ibex
i'm not saying you should become a meta slave... but your weapon choices lol
wicked inlet
Combat blades are fun
Devils claw swords
Power sword
I'm.using a combat axe rn an its pretty good
Really good single target damage and penetrates armor
hollow ibex
combat axe is super effective, and super boring, just like ds
knife and dclaw is fun though
p sword can be fun, but it really depends on the person
wicked inlet
Knife gets bonus points because of the punch
wanton dawn
When it comes to vet chat Idk about recommending weapon loadout with which you cleared havoc 40 while playing psyker or zealot
wicked inlet
Most vets ive seen are using combat blades, powerswords and Dueling swords for havoc
Dueling is the current meta
I hate using then tho the idea of fencing on a veteran is just odd to me
Only touched em once
On my psyker
hollow ibex
giving DS to vet and zealot was a mistake
bold sierra
giving DS to vet and zealot was a mistake
maybe on zealot, that I agree, on vet I'm kinda ok ish. If anything, I think giving Thrust and that Agile blessing to it was more of a mistake lol
sterile oriole
giving DS to vet and zealot was a mistake
yeah but then what would mediocre players run
hollow ibex
run lacerate knife as they tend to do
bold sierra
yeah but then what would mediocre players run
even mediocre players run power swords all the times lol
and knifes
wanton dawn
PS was definitely the meta
sterile oriole
true. dueling sword gave us less knife and power sword users. maybe it's not all bad
bold sierra
I'm kinda glad you see less knives tho, cuz it just doesnt sit well seeing a small ass knife all the times xD. I definitely DON'T like the Duelign sword, but at least it's more of a melee than the knife is
appearance-wise
hollow ibex
and rashad was always there
untold holly
What is good to run on vet, I’m learning endgame stuff a bit more
wanton dawn
and rashad was always there
Rashad is a chef choice, not the meta