veteran-class

[unreal nova]

I just panic the whole time with bubbles to reduce sniper hits.

[wanton dawn]

Its fine. Panic goes away with experiences

[vernal trench]

Spam bubbles

[vernal trench]

Ye

[wanton dawn]

Some ppl have 1000s of hours in this game

[unreal nova]

Not when you have Illisi and staff and crushers decided to aggro you.

[loud belfry]

you just gotta believe in yourself and identify your mistakes and learn to incorporate their solutions into your memory or into your muscle memory

[wanton dawn]

I have vids of me on this channel soloing packs of 50 crushers

[loud belfry]

the most difficult enemies in this game are bulwarks

though some weapons can just kinda fuck them, so it sorta depends

[unreal nova]

Is just funny when I have 300 ping, it's randomly easier to dodge.

[wanton dawn]

I have also some with bulwark

Point taken though, i play with sunder ps

[unreal nova]

Is it just due to the lag being so bad, I can't hit them and they can't hit me?

[vernal trench]

Just keep dodging

[wanton dawn]

There is some of that yes

[unreal nova]

Because it's annoying watching a lone shotgunner eat 7 bolts.

[vernal trench]

Yea they push u tf everywhere

[loud belfry]

when you have a high ping, or really, any ping, the hitboxes that the server considers "true" are always differently timed from the hitboxes you see. so yeah, you can get those situations

[wanton dawn]

Plague ogryn is notoriously harder in psy compared to real game cuz no latency change the dodge windows

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[loud belfry]

it's actually really annoying that the game is so server side. it doesn't really like...make sense in a game like this?

and it isnt like they are even trying to stop hackers anyway

[wanton dawn]

So whenever you see a video of someone doing plague ogryn in psy, chances are he will fly once or twice

[vernal trench]

Yea my dodges sre goofy wuth high ping

[unreal nova]

To be fair, it might be more playable than trying to connect to some people.

[loud belfry]

it probably is

[unreal nova]

1000 ping to Australia.

[loud belfry]

but it's more a matter of how the game treats your inputs rather than connection quality

[unreal nova]

In VT2.

Can't even jump, lmao.

[vernal trench]

Its so goofy seeing enemies die hakf a second after i headshot them

[wanton dawn]

A few days ago i was wondering why the skull game was not working for me

Then i saw i was at 200 latency

[unreal nova]

Or not die to 7/8 Bolt pistol shots.

I am sure they should be dead in 3.

[vernal trench]

Luckily never happens to me

[loud belfry]

it's kinda infuriating how often, even with 40-60 ping, i get ghost hits that dont do anything despite making the enemy bleed

[wanton dawn]

Ghost headshot are common for me

[vernal trench]

Servers open too long

[loud belfry]

i dont even know if these fake headshots are a common thing for people with 40+ ping or if it's just a personal problem

and it haunts me

[unreal nova]

I mean, just throw frags and forget everything. Frag good. Long frag at 300 ping funni.

[vernal trench]

Idk it doesnt happen to me

[supple laurel]

Can you even check your ping in game

[wanton dawn]

Ghost bolter headshot happens to me. It is very noticiable and very unsatisfayong

[loud belfry]

need a mod

[vernal trench]

Yea

[wanton dawn]

Theres a mod

[vernal trench]

Do u need a mod for that?

[loud belfry]

pretty sure

[vernal trench]

I can see ping for what regions im on

Or other regions

[loud belfry]

yeah you can see the pings when you look at the regions

but not when actually in game

[unreal nova]

Only if ask the host of the mission where they are from then check in the server list without mods.

[supple laurel]

I don’t wanna mod this thing bro😭😭

[loud belfry]

why not? some mods are really good

[vernal trench]

50-60 for me in my home region

[loud belfry]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/13?tab=files

[vernal trench]

Yea crosshair mod

[unreal nova]

It's generally 280-350 ping other than Hong Kong for me.

[vernal trench]

Asia moment

[unreal nova]

The server I'm on is 10 ping, HK is 45-50 ping.

[vernal trench]

I got 40-60 ping

High still

But even 120 ping is okay

[unreal nova]

I just usually think the carries should get the lower ping.

I mean, I'm just panicking anyway.

[supple laurel]

I can live with up to 150 ping

[vernal trench]

It depends on how many ppl r on the same region i think

[supple laurel]

Anything higher and nope

[vernal trench]

150 too much

[vernal trench]

Play more n u wont

[unreal nova]

I used to deal with it better when younger.

[vernal trench]

Ur old

[unreal nova]

As in, ping.

Yeah, went over the age where reflexes decline.

[loud belfry]

you just gotta be more self aware when panicking

that's the key to fear

when you are fearful you lose rationality. retaining self awareness can help you get back in it

[unreal nova]

I can still totally sound like I'm in my teen years though.

Eh, that's just panic till you zone out.

[vernal trench]

When i panick i try and dodge tf out

[scenic solstice]

dump stat of bolty pistoly

[unreal nova]

I know, dodging god knows how many chargers in a row at 300 ping.

[vernal trench]

Damage

[vernal trench]

Goofy as hell

[scenic solstice]

is 34 ight

[unreal nova]

Mobility, I think.

[vernal trench]

Try for 0

[scenic solstice]

ive been trying

[vernal trench]

Try harder

[scenic solstice]

i ran out of money and req coins

[loud belfry]

why would you want to dump damage to 0?

[scenic solstice]

[vernal trench]

0% damage is ideal

[vernal trench]

So u can shoot bb

Non lethal rounds

[scenic solstice]

💀

[unreal nova]

It already feels like bb at 80 with 300 ping.

[vernal trench]

Lmao

300 is crazy

[unreal nova]

Just built weird, I guess?

[scenic solstice]

might go combat blade.

[unreal nova]

Or frags carry yes.

Boom gud, boom friend.

Big boom yes.

[scenic solstice]

What gun pairs well

with combat blade

autoguns?

[unreal nova]

I dumb, I revolver with it and ds4.

Yes.

[vernal trench]

Dumb

Yes

Me

[scenic solstice]

dump stat of knife is what

finesse or shi?

[vernal trench]

Prolyl idk

[scenic solstice]

😭

[narrow frost]

mobility

[scenic solstice]

thank you

[narrow frost]

You can check pinned messages for weapon stats

Path has made a guide

[scenic solstice]

whats a good weaon that pairs well with it though

theres alot of different opinions

I dont personally like stub revolver

[loud belfry]

just discovered there's a new and presumably better version of the ping monitor mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/460?tab=files

[unreal nova]

I feel like there's trolling in the air, but am dook at reading the mood anyway.

[narrow frost]

Depends

what do you struggle to kill when using the knife?

armor? then take bolter

horde? then bring double barrel shotgun

[scenic solstice]

which one

[narrow frost]

snipers? then take revolver

[scenic solstice]

I do like spearhead bolter..

[narrow frost]

up to you to fit the puzzle together

I personally bring the shredder autopistol

[unreal nova]

Squinting. Why does it feel that way.

[scenic solstice]

Ill dump mobility

on spearhead

[wanton dawn]

Bolter and knife is not a good combo

[narrow frost]

define good

[scenic solstice]

I mean

it lacks horde clear

but i use frags

should be fine

[wanton dawn]

Not recommending shredder auto unironically is a good starting point

[narrow frost]

weird defination of good

[wanton dawn]

You are the one asking

[scenic solstice]

IT DUMPED DAMAGE AND MOBILITY

😭

[wicked epoch]

i love brunt

[wanton dawn]

In any case, bolter is very clunky and likes to be paired with horde control

[latent parcel]

bolter heavy sword is a fun combo

[unreal nova]

I smurt, bolter and DS4.

[wanton dawn]

I understood some words

[unreal nova]

On Zealot.

[wanton dawn]

Zealot is not vet though

[unreal nova]

To be fair, I ran all melee on vet with a revolver.

[wanton dawn]

Vet uses bolter very differently compared to zealot

[unreal nova]

Some hurt me more than others.

[latent parcel]

i said fun not meta 😔

[wanton dawn]

I have fun with exe stance deadshot bolter

It is crap for carrying

[scenic solstice]

wtf iu just did tricks

while inspecting the knife

[narrow frost]

special animationm

[odd sparrow]

Yeah bolter is just too clunky to be self-sufficient

[latent parcel]

i usually run infiltrate with heavy sword and bolter

[unreal nova]

Yes, 5% chance.

[latent parcel]

alota fun

[scenic solstice]

oh

[wanton dawn]

I also have fun with mf deadshot vrak inf autogun

[latent parcel]

thats dope

i wish i could bring an autogun to havoc 40 but i havent figured the build out yet

[odd sparrow]

Yeah autogun fucks so hard with the insane crit multiplier

[wanton dawn]

I dont think it could work

[narrow frost]

anything works

its just gonna be a bit harder

[latent parcel]

ive made a few efforts just cant seem to do it

[wanton dawn]

It'd be substandard is what i meant

[narrow frost]

I see

[latent parcel]

ya im talking about building a kit for everything 30+ cant seem to keep a good ammo economy for the autoguns

[wanton dawn]

I think there is a difference between "a niche" and "same but worse"

Autogun probably suffer the ammo eco compared to (fml) recon

I dont use recon in havoc so am not the best to say that

[latent parcel]

ya same

[wanton dawn]

But autogun are ammo hoose

I might try bolter on high havoc one day

[latent parcel]

recons feel mid in havoc with all the armor. i think if you got CC in ur group its fine but users choice i pub it

im telling ya man infiltrate vet with heavysword and bolter slaps until you run outa ammo

[wanton dawn]

But if i pick bolter in havoc i'd feel like i am griefing

[latent parcel]

whys that?

[wanton dawn]

Same as not picking surv in no ammo maelstrom

[latent parcel]

bring what you want to have fun with

[wanton dawn]

Its havoc 40

[latent parcel]

so?

you can nuke bosses for ur team

[wanton dawn]

I dont nuke boss with bolter

[latent parcel]

why not

[wanton dawn]

Cuz kraks or melee do it at least as well with lesser ammo strain

[polar quiver]

Bolter is good on zealot maybe

[wicked cedar]

yes

[latent parcel]

depends if you run the damage on ability proc

you can nuke 20-30k dps in 2-3 seconds with the bolter

[polar quiver]

But idk why youd wanna go bolter on vet

If theres the blue gun

[wanton dawn]

Bolter exe on sniper mod is super fun

[polar quiver]

Its fun absolutely

But idk if its good

[unreal nova]

I mean, I have it for the team. I basically just wanna make things go boom somehow.

[latent parcel]

its good on 40's trust

[wanton dawn]

Bolter exe on sniper fog is good

[polar quiver]

Plasma is cooler imo

But u need to extort your team for all ammo

[latent parcel]

Plasma is just stronger on everything but bosses

i run it if im playing meta

[polar quiver]

Yh and then u hopefully have team to take care of bosses

[latent parcel]

hopefully being the operative word lol

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is not great at trash shooter duty

[polar quiver]

All zealots ive seen have been using bolter except maybe 1 or 2 with flamer

And that usually is enough since bosses r so little issue to kite out while whittling horde in almost all cases

[latent parcel]

you talking about 40's? or just maelstroms

[polar quiver]

Im at mid 30s in havoc

[latent parcel]

bosses are usually the problems ive seen in havocs

and big armor'd hordes

[wanton dawn]

In havoc 40 using ranged on boss is usually a sign of desperation

[latent parcel]

on a vet? whats ur other option? a psword?

[wanton dawn]

Yeah ?

[latent parcel]

thats the only thing that works lol

[polar quiver]

Not really much else to use ranged on for the zealots since they have knives for most

[latent parcel]

ds4 sure. but i dont use it

[polar quiver]

Fair

Dueling sword is dopamine weapon

[latent parcel]

i dont use it since it makes the class zealot level easy

[polar quiver]

Would u say

Other classes need buffs

Or zealot and psyker needs kneecapping

[latent parcel]

ogryn and psyker need a lil help

but ive seen ogryns slap

[wanton dawn]

Ogryns needs more ranged

[latent parcel]

^

[wanton dawn]

And less clunky

[latent parcel]

psyker just needs to be able to use something other then bubble in 40's

[wanton dawn]

Vet with shout

[polar quiver]

But thats just a gamemode issue no?

If u dont have bubble you get shot instantly

[latent parcel]

nah zealot i can bring charge and chorus. vet i can bring shout and infiltrate. psyker is just

bubble

[polar quiver]

Scryers?

[latent parcel]

i dont have enough toughness replenishment with scriers

[wanton dawn]

Well, having 1/5 ammo per drop certainly reduce build diversity

[latent parcel]

although im 300 psyker so problay noob at it

[polar quiver]

You still have a shout or relic teammate tho usually

[latent parcel]

true but what if u get split by fire

[wanton dawn]

Well, i have never been impressed by infil vet and charge zealot

[latent parcel]

or something along that

[polar quiver]

Thats why u need bubble

[latent parcel]

exactly!

[polar quiver]

Not rlly for toughness

Its for not being lit up by shootas

[latent parcel]

charge zealot is all i really play in havoc now adays

[polar quiver]

Nowadays wdym

[latent parcel]

put out 1mil dmg + 150-200k boss damage alota fun

[polar quiver]

The mode just came out

[latent parcel]

first week i played chorus

just to clear 40 and true survivor

then i dropped it

i pick it up if the team needs it but i usually dont like running it

[wanton dawn]

Am not playing infiltrate. I think this ult is poopoo

[latent parcel]

its not for everyone

[polar quiver]

Infiltrate is an addiction

You hate it

It sucks

But you love it more

[wanton dawn]

Exe is not good but at least it is not worse shout

[latent parcel]

i wanna do exe in 40's

ill problay try it today or tomorrow

[unreal nova]

Even in just damnation, inf dodge gud.

[wanton dawn]

Also i really dont like putting aggro on teammate

[polar quiver]

Plus its very plug and play

theres no "upkeep" like power weapons

just s w i n g

[wanton dawn]

Not my style, but it is a good weapon

[unreal nova]

Mhm. Well, pokepokepokepokepoke.

[latent parcel]

in everything ds4 is good lol

[polar quiver]

shredder chainaxe exe build

[latent parcel]

please show me it in havoc 40

[polar quiver]

i like to call it

cbt build

[latent parcel]

i saw a vet bring a helbore chainaxe to 40

he didnt make it that long

[wanton dawn]

Smoke infiltrate would feel worse ig

[polar quiver]

its not about being actually THE worst

[unreal nova]

Is just ds4.

[polar quiver]

its about feeling fucking terrible to use

so, exe stance

[wanton dawn]

Idk, i dont think exe stancz feels terrible to use

[latent parcel]

i only use it if im feeling tired and want an easy win

[wanton dawn]

Its just not a get out of jail ult

[polar quiver]

i was under that impression until i got stuck at 50 FOV for a minute for the first time

[latent parcel]

exe stance just needs teammates with gold toughness in shit situations

otherwise ur probs gonna flop over

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure i have a mod for that

[bitter turtle]

I'm just curious

You only play with premade right

@wanton dawn

[latent parcel]

no

[wanton dawn]

No

[unreal nova]

Is, it helps me not go insane on ultra panic. Spam everything.

[bitter turtle]

I thought you said you only play with az now

[latent parcel]

if you like it keep running it!

[wanton dawn]

I mostly play with premade yes

Cuz i am a bit bored of the game

[latent parcel]

you should pub 40's then

[unreal nova]

Shovel best, but not as good in tight moments.

[bitter turtle]

Idk i can see how exec can be relatively more appealing and infil much less appealing in premade

[wanton dawn]

I do

[latent parcel]

alot more fun without a premade

[polar quiver]

the hardest part of pubbing 40s isnt the mission

[wanton dawn]

I run exe when i am chilling. Not when tryharding

[polar quiver]

its being accepted to party finder

[bitter turtle]

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I'm saying

[wanton dawn]

I dont run infil period

[latent parcel]

yeah i had to put true survivor on and take my reject title off to be accepted now adays 😦

[wanton dawn]

In any case, it is me not liking infil rather than liking exe

[latent parcel]

problay just a play style thing

nothing wrong with it

[bitter turtle]

Yea i know, i was mainly saying that your pov makes more sense when I remembered you said you mostly premade

Infil is probably pointless if you have team coordination

[wanton dawn]

I only run exe in pubs though

[muted prairie]

man, havoc really makes me appreciate things i overlooked before

recon las, duelling sword, shredder frags, demo squad

and psykers too

[wanton dawn]

Lets just say that az is a bit too "fast" for me to play exe without having to fend for myself

[latent parcel]

what do u use on exe stance for weapons

[wanton dawn]

Bolter, viag

Also braced

[latent parcel]

melee?

[wanton dawn]

Always ps for me

[latent parcel]

oh that makes sense

[wanton dawn]

I need to diversify

[latent parcel]

ive used psword ds4 and heavy sword so far in 40's all feel good

[bitter turtle]

Heavy sword is underrated

[latent parcel]

^

[wanton dawn]

Plus with sunder i usually dont have to worry about melee elite

[latent parcel]

you use the mk3?

[wanton dawn]

No

[latent parcel]

how does sunder help with the mk6?

[bitter turtle]

Spam light

Still works with sunder, just not the heavy attack dmg bonus

[wanton dawn]

Minimum target count, ignore bulwark bounce

[latent parcel]

ah i just use slaughterer gives me enough cleave

[wanton dawn]

Slaughterer dont proc on scab melee

Only hit up to 2

[latent parcel]

i dont spam lights into scab melee

i do push attack strike down

[wanton dawn]

I do

[latent parcel]

2 different play styles

[wanton dawn]

I dont even have to dodge against non ogryn

[latent parcel]

3 charges lights kills scab melee?

[wanton dawn]

Light has great stagger properties

[latent parcel]

but u dodge to recharge ur sword

[wanton dawn]

Sometimes

Am not forced to do it

[latent parcel]

true i can give sunder another try

i havent used it in a minute

slaughterer gives me extra cleave and if its stacked i can kill moebian without it being charged

[wanton dawn]

I did train myself to deal with specific elite scenario with ps

[latent parcel]

if u run bolter psword

how do u get away from a pack of crushers that ur bolter wont kill

[wanton dawn]

I dont. I kill them with ps stab

[latent parcel]

all 6-7 of them?

thats dope

[wanton dawn]

6-7 can be scary ig but grenade can help if solo

[latent parcel]

ya thats true

i usually run bolt pistol with the psword

for movement

[wanton dawn]

The scary part is dodging into terrain

[latent parcel]

yup lol

1 tapped by a crusher its gg

[wanton dawn]

In psy i could deal with i thinl upward of 50 crushers with ps only

[latent parcel]

i could see it with nades

and shout

but psy isnt really practical. how often do u have an open space like that?

[wanton dawn]

I do less with space constrain

But i also have a ranged weapon ig

[latent parcel]

true!

[wanton dawn]

Its just training anyway

[bold sierra]

dude, I aint gonna lie, Stance with tagging elites for allies + Smoke is actually such a good combo for Havoc, been doing 37+ with it, helps A LOT during big open spaces like the Void mission defense. Helbore too

[latent parcel]

id love to see a video of that!

[bold sierra]

yeah, my buddy said the tagging helps a lot with killing those pesky gunners from afar, and through the smoke xD

[latent parcel]

nice

you doing big dam with it?

[bold sierra]

more or less, I was mostly trying to kill gunners and stuff with helbore so definitely not as much as zealot with flamers or psyker with purgatus. But Helbore's bayonet is actually insanely good as well. Been running Helbore and Chainsword with Rev it Up xD

[latent parcel]

keep doing you! sounds like a fun combo

[wanton dawn]

It was at the beginning of the year ? Damn time flies https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1200601118921740460/w40k_60_crushers.mp4?ex=676d4eac&is=676bfd2c&hm=1503571f09f0ea251b0ff74a3256c44704568ffaaab8f854474fa491e8a3d718&

[latent parcel]

dont know what made you do it but it looks fun

that with sunder?

[wanton dawn]

Sunder is not helping much here over bm me think

Against rager though

[latent parcel]

ya problay not

i dropped bm entirely doesnt do enough for me

sunder sounds interesting tho

[wanton dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1210956003374399548/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_30_rager_no_shout.mp4?ex=676d67a9&is=676c1629&hm=d54252c5548d80f0dd98dbd91022e9c022b650831b8460afdf8c6662452000e3&

[latent parcel]

ya that looks cool

flak ragers arent really a threat tho as much

maniac ones on the other hand

fk em

[wanton dawn]

Against maniac you can use slaughterer

Or rampage

I meant rampage

But it does not help against the truly scary enemy

Nurgle blessed dreg rager in a corner

[umbral scaffold]

is it possible to build a vet thats as sustainable in melee as zealot?

to shred hordes

[wanton dawn]

Vet can have as good or better damage as zealot in melee but could never have as much substain

Right-side tree has great melee node

[orchid hemlock]

Rashad

[hollow ibex]

i'd say you can get them pretty similar

even though zealot gets a talent that literally gives them an extra life lol

that's just how good VOC is

[wanton dawn]

Its about zealot passive

Vet has great damage passive and voc, but barebone melee sustain passive

[tame lodge]

You can build to be better than zealot

[remote sonnet]

I think Zealot is better mostly because they have access to stronger melee weapons.

[cold shell]

I need to kill 2000 people in melee, what's the most fun melee build for vet?

[dire olive]

Crackhead with a tac axe

[cold shell]

I got stealth and duelling saber/las pistol at the moment

[remote sonnet]

Zealot Long sword, Eviscerator and Thammer are pretty strong.

[dire olive]

Eviscerator... Eeeeh

[remote sonnet]

It's still stronger than most melee

If you give it to Vet, I would absolutely use it over anything but Dclaw and rapier.

[hollow ibex]

idk about that

[unreal nova]

It bounces off carapace.

[wicked epoch]

I just shout powersword

[tame lodge]

Too slow for Vets arm

Can't handle the weight of the emperor

[wicked epoch]

Trench fighter

[cold shell]

tac axe is definitely how we're gonna roll until tac is at 20 for sure

[wicked epoch]

fuck it

Chainsword

the off meta pick

why? fun

makes you feel like a gigachad

big balled gigachad

shoving your sword into some poor bastard

hit the funny grrrr button

smack a rager

get mauled by the 15 other ragers

refuse to elaborate

[ocean otter]

🤓

[wicked epoch]

i hope you get circumcised for Christmas

with a chainsword

[ocean otter]

You ain't from cadia if ya neva punched a grox in the balls

[wicked epoch]

you tellin me i havent?

what makes you fraggin think i ‘avent?

look at me balls you karker

a grox kicked one clean off

had to take the grox’s other fraggin ball for me self

[umbral scaffold]

Yeh the sustain is the bit, while ive never done a full melee build much without shout hordes seem hard to survive

[wicked epoch]

Then me other ball was beaten off me

[umbral scaffold]

but with zealot you eat hordes

[wicked epoch]

so i had to fraggin take the other ball off the fraggin grox

[umbral scaffold]

in melee ofc

[wicked epoch]

psyker zealot

[umbral scaffold]

shovel is nice

[wicked epoch]

zealot with smite

[umbral scaffold]

but doesnt give that heavy evicerator feeling

[wicked epoch]

ogryn with smite

[ocean otter]

Veteran when cadia😤

[hollow ibex]

Tfw Rashad horde clears faster lol

[umbral scaffold]

really? ill try that then

the horizontal slashing of the heavy evicerator is so satisfying ill try rashed

[tall torrent]

veteran is a little higher consistent melee dmg but worse burst and mobility

[hollow ibex]

It does feel pretty good but then you realize you can only damage four enemies at once max

[umbral scaffold]

give ogyrn heavy heavy evicerator that damages 12+

[hollow ibex]

basically the karsolas (though not a chain weapon) lol

[sour marsh]

Make sure to brush up on your enemy codes soldiers!

[crisp oak]

He mentions the chaos spawn? Ive only ever heard it as fleshbag

[obsidian umbra]

what is the best recon las mk?

[tacit sonnet]

XII

[formal ice]

The blue one

[hollow ibex]

they're all pretty good

mk xiv if you want cleave

mk vi if you want ammo economy (while still having respectable dps)

mk xii for brrrrrt memes

there isn't any best one

[terse idol]

Loose cannon:
"TRAXIS TWELVE, YEAH IM SURE THATS A TRAXIS TWELVE"

[orchid hemlock]

FOR CREED

[sour marsh]

That lad really needs to start memorizing.

[warm bolt]

"TRAXIS... SOMETHING, KILL IT!"

[serene bough]

I think "Traxis something something" is a great code name

[sour marsh]

Yeah, have fun trying to convince that to a Commissar.

[serene bough]

Dukane has no power over us were named characters

[wanton dawn]

That's a crap code system anyway

[fossil basalt]

Traxis... Twelve? sure of himself Yeah, traxis twelve!

(There is no traxis twelve)

[serene bough]

Bureaucracy and inefficiency are staples of the imperium, so it's fitting at least

[terse idol]

The Traxis Twelve hiding in the distance:

[warm bolt]

Lmao

[ocean idol]

Which personality is "Sigma something something"?

[warm bolt]

Loose cannon

[ocean idol]

all others are kinda boring

What kind of builds you use together with Infiltrate?

really want to make it work well

[terse idol]

Weapon spec, infil and stealth

[warm bolt]

Havent used infiltrate at all tbh

[ocean idol]

weapons?

[terse idol]

Revolver and uhhh

[ocean idol]

what stealth?

Infiltrate is stealth

[fossil basalt]

Infil w/ raking fire columnus is fun

[terse idol]

melee
I dunno what melee but revolver ws is fun

[terse idol]

Yeah

[serene bough]

Dog

[warm bolt]

I saw kantrael and helbore being used

[serene bough]

Or do you mean loose cannon vet

[scarlet heart]

How do people feel about thrust over precog and riposte for dueling sword?

[ocean idol]

Now that sounds interesting

[ocean idol]

WHAT YEAH

The hell "infi and stealth) means

you basically said "stealth and stealth"

[ocean idol]

Thrust literally makes your heave worse

[terse idol]

Yeah 😌

[fossil basalt]

I recommend knife for infil too because innate backstab bonus

[terse idol]

I mean

[ocean idol]

... it has backstab bonus?

[terse idol]

We had this discussion yesterday

And the day before

[fossil basalt]

25% iirc

[sour marsh]

Credit to @ionic kiln for the meme.

[scarlet heart]

i felt once i went up my charged attacks werent doing as much to mutants and flak as a like figured thrust would hit a break point

[terse idol]

DS and thrust might be okay, because you don't gotta charge the heavy attack for too long

I don't use it however

[ocean idol]

what second blessing?

[terse idol]

Its just better to take a mkiv

And spam H1, Special

On heads

At least imo

[ocean idol]

my fav meme

[fossil basalt]

Deathspitter or Fire Frenzy usually but I prefer DumDum for on-hit damage bonuses vs on kill

[ocean idol]

Is Low Profile any useful?

[sour marsh]

Which one is that again?

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's good, won't help if you're the last one standing tho

[ocean idol]

well clearly

But it can give you some more backstabs if you take raking fire/ruthless backstab?

[hollow ibex]

yeah, since enemies kinda just ignore you still

but wouldn't build around it

[terse idol]

I wouldn't take low profile

[hollow ibex]

unless you're memeing

[terse idol]

If anything because it's astounding how much damage you can do to your team by dropping adds on them

[hollow ibex]

skill check for the team

[terse idol]

I mean abiiit

Its just not nessaaary

[scarlet heart]

@terse idol gonna try thrust with focus target see how i like that, was getting annoyed when reapers were taking a bit to kill and mutants at times ty for the help brother

[ocean idol]

you can call this talent "coaching" talent

[fossil basalt]

If you build your stealth right you should be able to kill anything in your way before they have a chance to voice complaints

Luckily that timeframe also syncs up with crusher overheads

[terse idol]

Well

To roll it back

Your team would have already gained aggro when you go into stealth anywho

Also agro works weird in this game

So THEORETICALLY and because I had to rethink it

You aren't dropping enemies on your team with low profile

There are just times where it doesn't do anything because enemies would just still be agroed to you still

[terse idol]

Test dah bp's

Yaaa

It depends what opportunity cost you're giving up to gain thrust

And lose out on say agile

(We never give up uncanny)

[serene bough]

Ive gravitated more toward hunters resolve over low profile

Just bc low profile really screws your team sometimes

[wanton dawn]

I know when ppl takes low profile

[scarlet heart]

yessssir

idk i see it like i really dgaf about crazy horde clear zealot can do it or something i can just go kill prios

[ocean idol]

If it works as i think it does, then it won't happen if you go out of stealth near allies

[ocean idol]

Is that supposed to be a point against taking it?

[serene bough]

Low profile will make you invisible to ranged enemies but melee enemies close to you will still aggro

You could argue being unable to be shot at means yull clear ranged enemies more effectively, but in general I just find its more harmful than helpful

Plus, i take ghost often so I don't really care if I aggro ranged

[ocean idol]

Does it help to redirect specials?

and elites

[serene bough]

Ranged ones yeah

[wanton dawn]

Special have priority numbers

Like dogs prioritizes out of coherency, and trapper prioritizes melee holder

[serene bough]

You can think of it as 10 extra seconds of invisibility to ranged threats, unless you're really really far away from your team

[serene bough]

Idk how it affects the disablers tbh

Iirc trappers will still try and shoot you

[wanton dawn]

Well, trappers love melee

[radiant chasm]

Yea -90% so in weird spots you can get aggro

Especially if far from team ive turned corners in low profile and got shot up

[wanton dawn]

Base priority is 1. If you have melee it is +50

There is also a proximity bonus

[serene bough]

You gotta be reeeeeally far away

Ive only had this happen a few times and it was bc I was so far separated from my team

[ocean idol]

oh, did not know that, where can i learn about it?

[wanton dawn]

Err, the source code

Pita to read through

[ocean idol]

I mean no one put it in any guide yet?

[serene bough]

Idk if paths guide goes over it

But otherwise don't think anyone else has

I havent bothered testing at all, I stopped using it

[ocean idol]

Hmm, suprrisingly, plasma is really nice with infiltrate

[scenic solstice]

FOR THE EMPEROR

bro playing the wrong game

[tame lodge]

One shot one kill

Also the timing of your ability coming off cool down is funny

[ocean idol]

Remind me, what is considered close damage?

[hearty panther]

<12.5m

[wanton dawn]

After checking i cant find the bonus aggro melee on trapper so i might have read something wrong. Or trusted another source

[hearty panther]

i think its just one of those persistent myths

a half-truth that sticks around forever because quashing it takes a lot of work but it still makes intuitive sense

[wanton dawn]

It is not about myth though. It is just that it is a pita to read the aggro table

[hearty panther]

exactly lol

[tall torrent]

Full effect up to 12.5m
Linear falloff towards 0% value at 30m+

[wanton dawn]

Idk what the occupied_slot refers too. The rest is fine

[hearty panther]

slots for combat

[tall torrent]

Probably means it occupies a player’s slot when it’s in attack animation

[hearty panther]

idk if that means slots you have occupied or the # of slots the trapper occupies

yea

[wanton dawn]

There's other value around like -1, -2, -0.1

[tall torrent]

If it was a preference towards a melee-occupied player it’d have a “modifier” code like pox hounds

Which have a coded modifier vs out-of-coherency players

[wanton dawn]

It has a calculation for occupied

Idk if it is just standard accross breed though

I dont wanna check everything

[hearty panther]

thats really it

and then you have to explain this to someone else

aint worth it

[wanton dawn]

In any case, doggo does have bonus for out of coherency

[hearty panther]

id rather just let people keep believing that specials will come fuck you in the ass if you're hanging out solo cause it pushes them to try and team better lmao

[wanton dawn]

I think it is just that trapper focus the nearest player above all

[tame lodge]

Oh man
I don't want to think how it interacts with Loner
If it interacts that is

[wanton dawn]

The inverse_coherency_weight seems self explanatory

Am gonna check a bit more to make sure

Yeah, it is self explanatory. Instead of checking num in coherency it checks 4-num

[wanton dawn]

It might have an interaction

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-mecha-godzilla-don't-ever-say-that-godzilla-defeat-don't-say-that-gif-8714920545334438980

[wanton dawn]

Too annoying to check in code though

Depending on implementation, it "might" mean that a solo non loner is more likely to be targeted than a solo loner

[ocean idol]

Holy shit just had the most incompetent team in Auric i ever seen

except that Furge guy who replaced another useless player

i had to do literally everything

and they kept dying to hordes that had no specials

Infiltration actuially came in clutch so many times

2.2 k damage taken

[wanton dawn]

I mean... we did say that infil increase the pressure on the rest of the team

[raw needle]

thats like 4-8 in dead ogryns

[terse idol]

You did give more agro to your team

[ocean idol]

But i only used it to save those idiots

[ocean idol]

no i did not...

[terse idol]

You said it yourself

[ocean idol]

[tame lodge]

I'll probably ask NullDragon if he can check it later

[raw needle]

unless they purposefully rushed ahead and aggroed everything beforehand.......

[ocean idol]

are you stoopid

[raw needle]

it's really hard to actually put pressure on your team with infiltrate

unless they're ps5 players

[ocean idol]

^

i mean dude, i never even seen anyone taking 2k damage before

literally never

[raw needle]

recently had a smite psyker scream HELP in vc on like

havoc 3

he was holding back like 5 groaners and a mauler

[ocean idol]

LOOK AT THIS

revived 4

rescued 16

i rescued them 16 fuckn times

[half flax]

Whats dump stat on combat axes?

[narrow frost]

mobility

[half flax]

What about boltguns?

[ocean idol]

Mobility is basically dump stat everywhere for very few exceptions

like recons

[half flax]

Alrighty

[austere mica]

Collateral works for bolter

[ocean idol]

on guns that have it collateral is dump

[austere mica]

Unless you want a goofy stagger BP

Like 1 shot bulwark open

[ocean idol]

that does sound nice

[light ridge]

What should I put blessings on the Chainsword?

[tame lodge]

Shred Rampage/Savage Sweep on the mk4

Shred Wrath on the Xiiig

Both like Flak Maniacs

[wanton dawn]

That'd be kinda code spaghetti if there is priority so I kinda doubt. Would be amusing nonetheless.

[calm shard]

tbf Maulers are death to garbage players

It's why their spawn rate got nerfed in the beta and never went back up until Havoc made them more common lol

[raw needle]

it did go up pre patch 13

when they added like

hordes of them

[calm shard]

oh right patrol spawns were added

it's also fucking insane that those patrols can be entirely ragers

and like 14 of the fuckers

[raw needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079235834777186406/1103976473620131891/8mb.video-mpH-WyPqmAUw.mp4?ex=676dca76&is=676c78f6&hm=47398e04bf76204861cf599982448808bc294dbeac046ea678668ed6560591bb&

[calm shard]

12 maulers

[austere mica]

My fully charged warpshock slash:

[calm shard]

doesn't kill scab ragers but everything else kills them so whatever

[wanton dawn]

Err, mauler were garbo up until... i think tree talent ?

[calm shard]

scab ragers having carapace chestplates and still being squishier than dreg ragers entirely because of how stupid the maniac armor type is

[raw needle]

they were buffed a couple times

[wanton dawn]

They had no stagger resist at first

[calm shard]

and I still don't see them as much of a threat because flak head means they die to everything

[raw needle]

yeah ragers suck now

even dregs

after the speed nerf

[calm shard]

I have only noticed the speed nerf on their standing attacks, their lunge attack feels barely different

[raw needle]

they'll never be as scary as plague monks.....

[wanton dawn]

Blessed dreg rager are still scary

[unreal nova]

Is this why I can never hit the requirements for the 900 damage blocked in 10 secs to like 4 ragers anymore?

[calm shard]

chaos equivalent was always worse because they aren't as distinct visually from other norscans

[half flax]

Ragers are far scarier than plague monks to me

[calm shard]

so they can come at you out of nowhere in a horde

[raw needle]

they are very loud though

and you should always be pinging

but their combos are a lot slower compared to monks

and a lot more readable tbh

[calm shard]

as they should be

[raw needle]

considering they aren't covered in rags

[calm shard]

they're also not weird fucking rats

[half flax]

What are the best blessings for combat axe?

[austere mica]

Headtaker Brutal Momentum

[half flax]

Lit

[terse idol]

Imo naw, plague monks on legend

Or cata

When you don't block for a moment

[half flax]

cata plague monks scare me less than ragers, idk why

[scenic solstice]

Is chainsword really hat shit

I like using it

the speed of it throws me off though

[tame lodge]

It's extremely good at dealing with basic hordes

[scenic solstice]

I use it with like

bolt pistol n shit

[austere mica]

I'm not a fan of how sticky it is

I like Smaul more

[unreal nova]

Nothing beats a certain chainaxe mark though.

[scenic solstice]

Thee special?

[austere mica]

Everything does

[tall torrent]

It’s just not good beyond clearing basic hordes

[austere mica]

Its soooooooo SLOW

[scenic solstice]

yeah

[unreal nova]

I'm purely talking about how sticky it is.

It sticks on every single light attack. without revving.

[serene bough]

I want to like chain weapons

Shame they're not as good

[unreal nova]

And nuking shields, I guess.

[tall torrent]

There’re better weapons for that purpose still

[unreal nova]

You mean ds pokes. I guess tazer special also helps.

[tall torrent]

No lol

[unreal nova]

Or did you mean the chainaxe lights?

Cos IDK, shields seem to just want 50 bajillion hits.

And heavier hits, at least for me, basically deal just as much as lighter hits.

[light ridge]

Shock mauls are surprisingly good at eating through shields

[unreal nova]

Unless you are telling me to shoot it.

[unreal nova]

That's the tazer stick.

[half flax]

Either i don’t like veteran, or early game is just incredibly sluggish

[tall torrent]

Because they have damage gate per attack instance

[unreal nova]

Is just early game. Zealots have the least chore feeling 1-30 imo.

[half flax]

Ah okay

I just started playing vet after playing for a while on level 30 psyker and it feels so slow

[unreal nova]

Oggys are the worst feeling due to being big and slow and kinda paper feeling for it.

[half flax]

Mhm

[unreal nova]

Also, isn't psyker kinda bad feeling as well?

[half flax]

Nah my psyker is fast as fuck

[unreal nova]

You feel useless till like 25.

[half flax]

Maybe, but that was my first class so it felt normal then

[unreal nova]

That's when you get most of your kit.

[half flax]

Didn’t feel slow cause i didn’t have anything to compare it to

[unreal nova]

Well, I guess assail helps earlywise.

[half flax]

I hated the jimmy neutron attack and the voidblast staff ngl

[unreal nova]

Wat. I know trauma staff is super clunky.

[half flax]

I like the electro staff more. Chargeup on the secondary felt faster. Idk if it is cause i havent used voidblast since level 8 i think

[unreal nova]

It's the fastest staff charge though.

I have all 500 warp res dump staves.

[half flax]

Yeah i didn’t know that cause i haven’t used it in like 30 years lol

[unreal nova]

I did mean EK fastest.

Slowest is strike, at least from feel.

[vestal widget]

you get assail really early and it is very strong; been levelling up some characters in my spare char slot 1-30 for fun while playing with newbie/casual friends and psyker does pretty well for themselves.

but it was my least favourite class to level to 30 when I was a total newbie though, I didn't understand melee or ranged combat or how/when to use bb at all so it felt totally useless

[unreal nova]

I know, I mentioned assail carrying early game for them. But to have decent use of the class basically requires more lvls while zealots already get random bs go earlier on.

Vets suck early due to needing decent guns to function.

And we know inf las feels bad without autoclicker and 100% weakspot hits.

[vestal widget]

vets also suggest to players they should mostly be shooting so they don't spend early levels learning melee mechanics

[vernal trench]

Idk my vet is just ss fast as spykrr

[unreal nova]

They should still learn though, or the first horde they get will decimate them if no good awareness horde clearer helps them.

Or just getting 'stealth' ragers on them.

[rigid kelp]

Been meaning to try hellbore lasguns. Any recommendations for marks, perks, stats and blessings please?

[unreal nova]

Game has random audio issues.

It's fairly standard a horde can break audio cues hilariously fast once you hit malice, let alone anything higher.

[vestal widget]

that's what tends to happen yeah, although hordes in like lower difficulties are very thin so you can kinda make it through by dropping a nade on your feet and panic swinging; this gets unsustainable a little while later around probably like malice/hi-int malice

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[vestal widget]

see guide in top pinned message

[half flax]

I played a difficulty 1 (forget what its called) mission to get the bearings of veteran and the amount of players who will just take melee hits as they shoot their gun point blank is crazy

[unreal nova]

You need 2 nades now instead of 1.

In auric, just dump them all and pray 5% rng.

Heh.

[worldly pulsar]

Stability is the dump stat. I like Surgical + Armourbane.

[unreal nova]

To be fair, is diff 1. I would even go funni big sword on not built for melee psyker and hurp around.

Big metal stick go bonk bonk yes.

Bonk bosses in melee as well with no think just bonk attitude.

[vernal trench]

Surgical and the one that reduces cd is good

[signal cypress]

I love muh plasma gun

[terse idol]

Imo itsss

[vernal trench]

I gotta start using it more tbh

[signal cypress]

Its a real nice fuck you to bulwark shields and all forms of walls

[terse idol]

It's complex

Vet sucks early because some talents really only become effective at high difficulty

[vernal trench]

Yea

[terse idol]

VoC goes from yeah it's still good to god like because you can consistently reset the cooldown when you play damnation and higher

And vet ranged weapons really suck ass early so you need to use melee

[vernal trench]

Yea but why do u even need it below damnation tho

Its just like there

[terse idol]

But alot of melee options need supporting talents

[terse idol]

Helps folks practice

[unreal nova]

Cos pubs are somehow worse than me at times, and I'm already bad.

With shot reflexes to boot.

[vestal widget]

on that note, I'm still not sure if the zealot starting autopistol feeling incredibly awful is a terrible idea or a genius galaxy brain idea to point zealot newbies to melee everything

[unreal nova]

I just melee everything anyway.

I got the penance for only melee on my first few games lul.

[vernal trench]

I like mele

[unreal nova]

Once I figured out how dook said autopistol was.

Just stab everything with knoife.

STABSTABSTAB.

Having dodges that send you careening off maps help alot when density is much lower.

More leeway for avoiding chargers and such.

And it's not like the lower damage is a detriment on malice and below.

Even if you stupidly put lacerate on it.

Mk6 btw.

I swapped to mk3 when I got a little better at poking heads.

[orchid hemlock]

Nah MK6 imo is just better

Better wave clear, and better push attack

[unreal nova]

Oh. But hey, this was newbie on zealot with knoife things.

[orchid hemlock]

MK6 u can also spam heavies so it is good at dragging out the sprint

[unreal nova]

Barely knowing whats up even.

Let alone any real tech.

Still bad, but at least I kinda know more now.

[umbral scaffold]

one shot 2 kills at the end

[raven swift]

kinda new and around the heresy - damnation tier, should I be running survivalist or fire team? seems with more elites survivalist has more value?

[unreal nova]

You mean, 1 shot, 5+ kills.

Cos elite stacking on spawn bs.

[umbral scaffold]

It does and survivalist used to be the nobrainer choice tho it has lost a lot of utility with the 5 second nerf

1% every 5 seconds is kinda wack and it makes survivalist weak

[raven swift]

oh didnt know there was a recharge for it, thanks.

didn't read it fully in game X_X

[vernal trench]

Until ur on havoc

[unreal nova]

And every drop of ammo is a godsend.

Unless you psyker.

What ammo/grenade?

[vestal widget]

bunch of weps used to be massively ammo-positive on aurics before they did the survivalist change

[hearty panther]

(all of them)

[vestal widget]

dog modifier were free big ammo for the whole team

[austere pine]

got two questions
can any mission with any mission giver be a havoc mission?
does anybody else think that havoc conditions you to be so good at the game that auric damn becomes a walk in the park?

[unreal nova]

Just 1 tap everything or frag out, boom!

[austere pine]

or is the 2nd one just me

[unreal nova]

I dunno, I'm bad enough I consider everything above heresy hard. Even if some will say I'll do fine on damnation.

[vestal widget]

things i would be confident of clutching in auric get me killed in havoc cos i make tactical errors (way to aggro) or my mechanics aren't clean enough

there are a bunch of missions that don't appear in havoc

[hearty panther]

not all maps are available for havoc

[austere pine]

any reason for the havoc missions?

[hearty panther]

some like their balls twisted

[austere pine]

and sure, one needs to be more careful in havoc, but that's a part of it. you don't do auric stuff in havoc because that's idiotic (cuz shooters and stalkers are way too strong for their own good. i genuinely think that they're the worst enemy in havoc to face in large quantities), but that also means that doing havoc "strats" in auric means you never get killed

[vestal widget]

also just things like not learning to place bubble well for fights because in auric i'm usually playing it to guarantee a rez/deny a flamer or trapper or something and not as something my team will seriously fight around for more than maybe like 10s (since we're w-keying lol)

[austere pine]

i genuinely love bubble lol

it's become my favorite ability in the game

[vestal widget]

i miss bubble staggering mutants...

[austere pine]

if only my psyker wasn't made of paper in havoc though

[vestal widget]

i knew it was going to get fixed but it was genuinely so funny

to watch mutants just stagger to a halt 10cm from my face cos i dodged them in bubble

[umbral scaffold]

I mean not wrong

It’s still hard to the point where I have to sweat a little or die

[light ridge]

Damn Duelling Sword turns this game into easy mode...

[hollow ibex]

lol it's a silly weapon

[light ridge]

And shovel is...

[unreal nova]

I mean is just game of panic hard.

[unreal nova]

Bonk bonk bonk.

[light ridge]

More like bonk bonk bonk bonk ... bonk bonk bonk bonk... when is this Mauler going to die?

[latent parcel]

ds4 turns vet into zealot level easy mode lol

[unreal nova]

Special bonk x 2.

I use folding though so.

[light ridge]

I normally use Shock Maul and clearly DS is a crutch

[latent parcel]

DS4 is what i put on my vet if im tired and want an easy havoc 40 clear

[light ridge]

I might try one of those, else it'll Chainsword or Dagger on my Stealth build

[unreal nova]

Anything above heresy. I just don't feel comfortable.

[latent parcel]

comes with time.

i got to much time in this game

[unreal nova]

Is just very funni. Also opens up crushers if you feel ballsy enough.

[light ridge]

Yup, 2 weeks ago I was stuck in Damnation, now Damnation feels easy

[unreal nova]

I only do it from behind.

[latent parcel]

play havoc 30+ and u wont wanna go back to maelstroms

[heavy rover]

eventually it's your teammates that become the real difficulty modifier

[tough tiger]

True

[unreal nova]

I mean, you get 3x lvl 6~ in malice to carry now.

You get 15~ in heresy to also carry now.

Dunno damnation, but one run had a 25.

[austere pine]

which shovel and how do you have it built

[tame lodge]

Should've pushed attack

Simple as

[unreal nova]

I assume the standard where the special is super stagger.

[austere pine]

which yeah the mauler would not be going down

[light ridge]

Mark 1, tested multiple blessings including the rending one
Good for horde clear and crowd control but not much else

[austere pine]

use folding shovels

same benefits and can deal with carapace

[unreal nova]

Try 7 first, then 3.

[austere pine]

the blue-ish one should be better

[unreal nova]

7 is closest to 1 with a slower special heavy.

[light ridge]

I'll give them another shot

[austere pine]

uncanny+thrust=win game

[unreal nova]

3 is special heavy the game.

[austere pine]

is 3 the blue-ish one?

[unreal nova]

Also funni if you can get away with using it on random dook. Since it pops heads.

No clue.

I basically tell them apart from special heavy.

There's a kinda massive delay in the 7.

[austere pine]

because it pops in and then pulls out after a bit?

[unreal nova]

But it is as good at the 1 for hordes with the normals.

[unreal nova]

Yep. And the delay can get you hit.

3 is quick in, quick out. 2 hits.

[austere pine]

it deals more carapace damage

[unreal nova]

I rather just 2x heavy specials and play safer at times.

And allows for funni special pop heads time.

But like all dook, is based on how you enjoy the feel of it.

Unless you intend on high havoc, the game just lets you play around with most things kinda fine from what I heard.

Just use what feels most comfortable and fun for you.

[bitter vessel]

whats the dump stat for dueling sword

[primal zealot]

Cleave

[tame lodge]

Or mobility if you're worried about unarmored damage

Like

60 damage to unarmored

[unreal nova]

I mean, if it clears hordes 0.1 sec faster, is better.

Right?

I dump mobility anyway.

A good team won't require the 2% extra sprint.

[tame lodge]

Oh that difference of 60 is on weakspot/critical heavies

[unreal nova]

They will never be insanely far away.

[tame lodge]

On lights the difference is 16 damage

[unreal nova]

Is ds, why are you not poking heds?

On at least half attacks panicking.

Is why the, 0.1 sec faster jokes.

Honestly either probs won't make much of a diff.

Unless ds5. Going 80 cleave means you get to dodge yourself off maps, yes.

Since it turns into 80 def.

[broken trellis]

What melee is most complementary to the plasma gun (spam fire not charge fire).

[latent parcel]

ds4

[broken trellis]

ds4?

[latent parcel]

dueling sword mark 4

[broken trellis]

not familiar with the acronym

ah

How so?

[latent parcel]

its fast and deals with anything the plasma wont

[broken trellis]

Anyone recommend a build for plasma and duelling MkIV then?

Sounds nice

[latent parcel]

theres a few on games latern

lantern

[latent parcel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d852e14-3114-485d-b6cd-cb8915cb07ff/the-current-best-veteran-build-imo problay the easiest one to use and is straight forward enough

[tall torrent]

Combat axe

[tough tiger]

Anything that can handle hordes really

Plasma can kill anything that isnt a boss relatively quick and efficient

[unreal nova]

Anyone for 21-25 havoc? APAC region.

[cloud quartz]

Hey all, I'm currently having fun playing as Zealot, but I find it a little too frantic, so was thinking maybe Veteran would be a better fit?

Can I hang back a bit, observe the situation and have time for tactical decisions?
How one-dimensional is Veteran? (that's a bias of mine) I kinda enjoy the gunplay of Darktide, even though I'm more of a melee guy, but lags etc make melee not soo fun sometimes.

[tough tiger]

Sit back and observe? Are u sure you're playing darktide?

[cloud quartz]

Just wanted to add, I'm not a sweat. I play as often as I can but thats 2h a day at most. I play for fun, not for bragging rights.

[tough tiger]

Its all about killing things fast lol

[cloud quartz]

I mean the perspective/position, not the timing.

[tough tiger]

Theres no tactical decision unless you're playing in a premade team, gameplay is the same as zealot but your guns perform better for the most part now

See it, kill it

Thats it

[hasty grove]

Try out a sharpshooter build with vet

You can prioritize staying in your team’s backline and picking off heavy hitters with critical shots

[cloud quartz]

Left branch?

[hasty grove]

Yes

But you can branch out into the other branches as you see fit

[cloud quartz]

Do you think veteran is fun, even if your aim ain't the best (I play on PS5 with controller).

[hasty grove]

Im on PS5 too!

[broken trellis]

I enjoy it a lot but have known nothing else

[hasty grove]

I think Veteran is very fun

But I’m also really biased cus the militarum are my fav 40k faction

[broken trellis]

A bonus being its versatile enough to try a wide variety of builds and playstyles

[cloud quartz]

Right branch looks very interesting! Smoke grenade. Does that work against incoming horde? Do they lose you?

[broken trellis]

Not sure actually, middle branch with VoC is the popular choice atm

[cloud quartz]

The armor looks sick!

[hollow ibex]

think of it more as a bubble shield against ranged enemies

and some specialists

[cloud quartz]

can you yourself see through the smoke?

[hollow ibex]

yeah more or less

it can be a bit annoying, but it doesn't hurt visibility too much

i think you have to stand in the smoke though

like it's a bubble shield

[cloud quartz]

You only can have one ranged weapon, also as Veteran, right?

[hollow ibex]

that's true for all classes (aside from melee weapon that also have ranged capabilities and vice versa)

[hasty grove]

Frrr!!! Heres my cadian gal