veteran-class

[pastel yew]

pay to play online for games you've bought, on a console you've bought, through your internet provider you already pay for

[vale wraith]

Game pass is an alright deal tbh, having to pay for it for online play is not.

[pastel yew]

but dont worry... you get free games you likely would never buy and rarely play

gamepass is sorta cool yea

though admittedly I only really buy it in short bursts

[vale wraith]

It has some good games, stalker 2 is pretty fun

[pastel yew]

I bought stalker 2 outright tbf

mostly because I know its a game I will come back to semi frequently

and I dont like having game progression for games I enjoy locked on a sub service

[paper trellis]

Counterpoint: steam sales

[vale wraith]

I’ve been playing it on and off

[pastel yew]

steam sales are the goat

too much of a goat... got me buying games when I already got a backlog because they're so cheap

[vale wraith]

I wish I had a competent PC

I would blow my bank account on steam sales

[pastel yew]

the nice part about pc is its way cheaper!

[tame lodge]

Real

[pastel yew]

after... the fact...

it's just high cost of entry

but you saved money in the long run

[tame lodge]

I can't even play half of the games I bought

[pastel yew]

[paper trellis]

That reminds me, need to pick up smt 5 v. It's 40 bucks on sale rn

[vale wraith]

They’re Investments my brother

[pastel yew]

I think everything on my wishlist is currently 20-50% off

[tall torrent]

I bought a cooling pad so I could play a bunch of my games without worrying about GPU heat

It’s currently being delayed because of Amazon strike or smth

[pastel yew]

gaming laptop?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[pastel yew]

mmh yeah I've heard the heating on those is wild

[vale wraith]

I know a guy who used ice packs to cool down his laptop lmao, just do that for the time being, trust me bro.

[pastel yew]

your friend is a psycho

[vale wraith]

It somehow worked for him

Not sure it would be healthy for it in the long run though lol

[unreal nova]

I mean, the game on a normal cpu tower can keep a drink warm for 6+ hours.

[paper trellis]

Nah, gpu overheating in a laptop can cause a ton of damage

Especially in the motherboard

[pastel yew]

nah it should throttle it's own performance when it gets to 80

and if it doesnt

holy shit

but it does mean that without proper heating you're gonna have weird performance

[paper trellis]

Nah, most gaming laptops don’t have good heat sinks for the cpu alone, and have all kinds of heat issues

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean, they're definitely not my kinda thing unless I was mobile a lot

seems just a lot more money for less

but I guess it comes with the upside of not having to build it

[vale wraith]

A lot of people just neglect to dust out their laptops as well, they get so fucking full of dust if you neglect it for too long.

[paper trellis]

I mean, you can build them, but building a laptop is harder

[tall torrent]

behold

[pastel yew]

kinda rough as I imagine you void your warranty if you open it

[pastel yew]

got that full auto upgrade for your revolver..

[paper trellis]

Jesus that stuttering hurts, then that lag spike was spicy

[vale wraith]

Better than it causing some type of long term damage, gaming laptops should last beyond warranties usually as well.

[pastel yew]

random faults do happen though

I've had loads of issues recently with my computer I wanna cry

[paper trellis]

Ik yesterday I got killed a few times to that while playing my psyker, and I went instantly from 75% to dead in a single fire cast

[pastel yew]

my ssd fucked

then my gpu exploded

then my second ssd is dying

[vale wraith]

Fucking hell

That’s tragic

[pastel yew]

both ssds under 2 years of age like

[tall torrent]

when it's not lagging it's playable

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/axe.mp4?ex=676b1aef&is=6769c96f&hm=ce515e3d2c10d73fd42de9c0327515c06f8f8c168efa8cc3edeaf1e5c018d8b4&

[pastel yew]

fuck me

[tall torrent]

I recorded more lag clips

[vale wraith]

Wait, point blank extends with melee kills?

Or whatever the revolver blessing is

Or is that the lag lmao

[tall torrent]

point blank blessing activates from all melee kills

[radiant chasm]

yea pointblank has been fixed for months now

[tall torrent]

it's the best crit blessing for revolver

[vale wraith]

God damn

That is actually Goated

Might actually use the revolver for once then

[tall torrent]

it's very strong
outside of havoc

[vale wraith]

Havoc sucks ass anyway

Boring as hell

Auric Maelstrom remains the most fun way to play the game tbh

[paper trellis]

Are you mixing it with the ignore armor on crit blessing?

[tall torrent]

no

veteran actually doesn't need that blessing for breakpoints

if u don't care about shooting crushers with revolver

before the update that blessing mattered for 2 breakpoints on veteran

crusher (crit weakspot x2)
scab rager (crit x1)

after they changed scab rager body armor to carapace, revolver can't 1 tap them anymore, so hand cannon only matters for crusher basically

u can get dreg gunner 1hs with unarmored or [elite + superiority complex]

elite + superiority complex was also capable of reaching scab rager 1 crit bodyshot (without hand cannon) before the armor type change

[paper trellis]

Interesting, will have to tinker with mine. Haven’t run revolver since the update

[tall torrent]

well, the scab rager 1 crit always needed agile engagement

but yea after they got carapace armor I don't think hand cannon is that worth now

[vale wraith]

Is it not worth it for mauler headshots?

[tall torrent]

bodyshot does more dmg to them than headshots

[vale wraith]

Oh, been doing it wrong then.

[paper trellis]

That looks really similar to my weapon specialist spec, but I run it with smokes

[vale wraith]

I should really lab shit more in psykhanium

[orchid hemlock]

Maulers have carapace on the head, so you shouldn't hit them there unless you need to

[vale wraith]

Thought hand cannon made it worth it

[tall torrent]

basically
if u take left yellow path, go elite + maniac, point blank + whatever blessing u fancy

if u take middle yellow path, go unarmored + maniac, point blank + whatever blessing u fancy

[tall torrent]

Rending is very misunderstood

[dawn garnet]

how are you swapping this quickly

the revolver is pretty much a throwing knife at this point

[vale wraith]

Probably the first node on the right,

They changed it to swap speed a while back

[tall torrent]

Revolver’s draw to fire by default is 0.2s

(Still not as fast as throwing knife)

[dawn garnet]

i cant even see it

[vale wraith]

It’s “In One Motion” iirc

[stray nebula]

Should I go with toughness or health curios on Veteran?

[tall torrent]

At least 1 health and 1 toughness, 3rd one either toughness or health

[stray nebula]

Thank you for the reply. Personally, I like to use one stamina curio, so that'd be my third.

[paper trellis]

Point blank is crit chance isn’t it? Doesn’t weapon specialist make it redundant? Or does it last for longer than one shot?

[tall torrent]

2.5s is enough for 4 shots

All getting +20% crit chance

[paper trellis]

Oh damn, yeah that’s a big difference

[tall torrent]

If you need to rapid fire it

[ocean otter]

What is the meta for the veteran class

[pastel yew]

that is a pretty broad question

lots of stuff is meta for vet

class is pretty stacked

[crisp oak]

We run devils claw and combat shotguns here

[paper trellis]

Not to mention it entirely depends on the style of vet

[pastel yew]

that is certainly not meta, sounds fun though

[pastel yew]

and the game mode

[paper trellis]

the ogryn can deal with armor

[frail citrus]

whats good stat spread for cadia chainsword XIIIg?

[crisp oak]

Nah its the meta

[pastel yew]

and the difficulty for some weapons...

[crisp oak]

Trust

[frail citrus]

like whats my 60 / 70-70 stat

[pastel yew]

check pins

first pinned comment is a guide to all the vet weapons

[tame lodge]

Knife
Dueling Sword 4
Power sword 6

Vraks 5
Plasma
Zarona revolver
Double Barrel
Bolt Pistol
Bolter

[tall torrent]

80 everything
60 mobility

[vale wraith]

Plasma + VoC are pretty good meta options

[paper trellis]

Combat shotguns not having good anti armor, especially on the slug, is downright evil

[terse idol]

Bistol meta...

I mena to be fair that entire list is just

"What vets play"

Damn meta

We've lost the meaning of the word

[pastel yew]

not sure double barrel is meta

I'll be real

[paper trellis]

Meta is gay, learn to optimize the shit out of what you find fun

[terse idol]

Kinda?

[pastel yew]

as much as I enjoy the weapon

[vale wraith]

The meta is honestly pretty flexible for Darktide

Until you get to havoc

[pastel yew]

real gamer strat

[terse idol]

I mean your build might be your favourite but you should optimize it

And then at that point

[crisp oak]

The most effective tactic available: dueling sword plasma gun

[terse idol]

It would just be considered "meta™️"

[frail citrus]

thanks, didnt know this existed, but it also literally does not answer my question

[tame lodge]

Weapon Specialist

[terse idol]

Dump mobility

[pastel yew]

it literally does

[frail citrus]

what would be your second choice

[terse idol]

The pins will tell you what to dump

[vale wraith]

Executioners stance + Weapon specialist my beloved.

[paper trellis]

Double barrel with all that bleed

[tall torrent]

Not play a chainsword

[tame lodge]

Oh I forgot to mention the Rashad

[crisp oak]

There is no second choice, you do not have to choose

[tame lodge]

Oh well

[frail citrus]

dont you guys love when darktide players give you a passive aggressive answer instead of an actual one

[paper trellis]

Really wish chainsword was better. It’s so cool, but it’s so ass

[frail citrus]

bro what that is NOT the document I had opened wtf LOL

[crisp oak]

What do you mean by second choice ty?

[pastel yew]

chain weapons could use a quality of life pass

[terse idol]

No but like what path means is

[pastel yew]

the first pinned message

?

[tall torrent]

I just answered you what the normal stat distribution is

[terse idol]

There is only 1 dump

[pastel yew]

hammer of the emperor

[terse idol]

Fir the chainsword

[paper trellis]

If I’m shoving a chainsaw in someone’s head and it doesn’t kill them im being ripped off

And chainaxe just feels bad to play

[frail citrus]

like split between 70/70, im using plasma gun and want it as an alternative to not be a walking damage sponge

[terse idol]

You can't dump the other stats because they affect your damage

[pastel yew]

chain axe is so good! if you only look at it and ignore every meta weapon

[terse idol]

Just don't mobi

[crisp oak]

I see, 60-70 mobility has no discernable difference

[terse idol]

Dump

Mobi

[frail citrus]

Gotcha, thank you

Everyone else

🖕

[vale wraith]

Chainaxe is alright, it just NEEDS weapon spec + Trench Fighter Drills, even then it’s still kinda slow.

[terse idol]

There isn't a world where you become a walking bullet sponge if you dump mobility

[pastel yew]

man you're

[terse idol]

?????

[pastel yew]

real peachy

[terse idol]

Thanks for ignoring me

[paper trellis]

Mfw normal axes of both varieties are better

[terse idol]

[pastel yew]

... we dont talk about that

[vale wraith]

[pastel yew]

the chainaxe itself is fun though

[crisp oak]

The mk12 is ok

[pastel yew]

mk12 is the only one Id use

[tall torrent]

The only weapon in the game that wants a 3x80+2x70 stat spread is plasma gun
Specifically it wants 80% damage, 80% stopping power, 80% ammo, 71~72% charge rate and 68~69% thermal resist

[crisp oak]

The mk4 I despise

[pastel yew]

yeah sticking on lights was a wild choice

[crisp oak]

I used the mk4 for 18 mastery levels because I forgot to change it

My camera hated me

[pastel yew]

you poor soul

[crisp oak]

Worst was a full 180 camera swap

[frail citrus]

Alr set up like that gang

[crisp oak]

To hit a groaner instead of the rager in front of me

[frail citrus]

Just trying to get advice for my melee too

[pastel yew]

your weapon knows better clearly

[frail citrus]

Cuz I’m not seeing the difference personally so I ask for second opinion

[crisp oak]

General advice with melees is 60 mobility/defenses

[frail citrus]

Maybe secret stat

[tall torrent]

Mobility % doesn’t change dodge much between 60 and 80, you’re mainly getting more sprint speed

[paper trellis]

? Everyone else gave you valuable and pertinent info. Why are you mad?

[pastel yew]

the difference between most stats from 70 to 60 is not that big

honestly as long as its a secondary stat thats not tied to damage

90% of the time it doesn't really matter

marginal differences

[frail citrus]

I thought it changed dodge distance as well?

Or was it just for combat knife

[tall torrent]

By up to 2%

[frail citrus]

This could save me!

[tall torrent]

It’s not relevant basically ever

[pastel yew]

just an asshole, happens

[frail citrus]

Or end me too

[frail citrus]

this guy

[pastel yew]

I mean you are?

[tall torrent]

It’s like 0.05m more distance per dodge lol it’s not gonna matter

[frail citrus]

Gotcha, okay I will dump mobility then

I am convinced

[tall torrent]

% dodge distance scale from a class’ base dodge distance (which is 2.5m for veteran)

[paper trellis]

Certainly not enough to be noticed

[frail citrus]

Thank you for taking the time to explain why it’s shit

[tall torrent]

Some weapons do take 80% mobility

Like power sword

[frail citrus]

Yes

Psword I got lucky

[tall torrent]

Because cleave target doesn’t matter much on it

[crisp oak]

Oh....

[frail citrus]

I got 61% for my dump on psword

[crisp oak]

[tall torrent]

You don’t get meaningfully much higher cleave by going 80% cleave target on a power sword

[frail citrus]

1% bonus

[tall torrent]

10.9 vs 11.7 isn’t gonna meaningfully change what you can & cannot cleave through

[crisp oak]

Too late

[frail citrus]

well you press the on button then it doesnt matter what the stats are

[tall torrent]

So getting that faster sprint speed prob makes the weapon feel better

[crisp oak]

[frail citrus]

Its insane

[crisp oak]

Actually my psword has 4% mobility

Right now

[pastel yew]

based

[frail citrus]

It 3 shots crushers if you have that blessing that gives you bonus power swins

[crisp oak]

Nah Im just poor

[pastel yew]

I feel that

[frail citrus]

It is easy mode

[pastel yew]

my chainaxe had 6% mobility or something stupid

when I was first testing it

I wanted to die

[crisp oak]

I have like 40 weapons to max out

[pastel yew]

not enough ordo dockets though

honestly the crafting patch has made me so much more stingy

[crisp oak]

I have 700 diamantine

[pastel yew]

before I was like like "eh those stats are fine whatever we ball"

now I'm dedicated to hunting the perfect score..

[vital wren]

I've maxed everything for my Vet, though I could use a slightly better Plasma still dangit.

I've got 80/79/79/72/70 atm

[crisp oak]

I need to do all but 2 melees for vet, all but 2 of the guns

The same for zealot

Oggy

And then psyker

[pastel yew]

psyker shit is so fucky

wanting low peril management melees

[vital wren]

too true, I'm working on that now

[pastel yew]

adds that extra degree of annoyance

[crisp oak]

Im doing psyker last because I dont like playing psyker

[pastel yew]

thats fair

I only really like a very narrow band of psyker

which is gun psyker without scriers

and disrupt destiny voidstrike

I'm putting together a purgatus though so I have something to fill for havoc if/when I my premade playmore

[paper trellis]

But... Why?

[pastel yew]

because scriers gaze isnt really all that enjoyable its just a stat boost

wall shields + kinetic flayer are more than good enough

and still give you some wizard vibe

its just a more varied interesting set up

even if it's worse dps

the builds strong enough to make auric damnation + a cake walk

I've not played it since the crit chain nerf to the autogun but I cant imagine that had much effect

[vital wren]

wall shields are fun to use

[wanton dawn]

Auric damnation is a cake walk

[pastel yew]

depends on the set up, everythings easy but not everything is easy to solo with

[wanton dawn]

oh, I dont do solo

[pastel yew]

you will do solo if you're playing quickplay

its just random chance with who you play with

[wanton dawn]

I mean, I dont try to do solo

[pastel yew]

mmh

I would if you got resources

I think it sounds pretty rewarding

[wanton dawn]

I am not taking 1h40 to solo h40

[pastel yew]

I imagine havoc solos would not be interesting

mostly just skipping past enemies

[paper trellis]

Well yeah it's a super mode, it's not supposed to be the same as shriek or shield

[wanton dawn]

Well, according to az it isn't

[pastel yew]

wait people are already soloing havoc?

[wanton dawn]

Yeah

[pastel yew]

I've also not seen az talk in like

forever

[wanton dawn]

we play together

[pastel yew]

it could just as easily be a vet ability though

doesnt really feel wizardy

[pastel yew]

how longs it take him to get through a run

[wanton dawn]

solo or normal ?

[pastel yew]

solo

[wanton dawn]

Already said it. 1h40 to for archivum

[pastel yew]

damn I thought that was

exaggeration

that sounds so fucking dead

[hasty rain]

Jesus was he in a wheelchair the whole time?

Scooting around with his chainsword

[wanton dawn]

He said the problem was that he could not kill boss so he had to kit for the whole last event

[paper trellis]

Dude id take that over exe stance any day. Call it adrenaline rush

[wanton dawn]

with 3 dudes on his ass

[hasty rain]

Wow that sounds not fun

[pastel yew]

nah exec stance is already giga

it just gives no defence really.. or no like

[paper trellis]

Nahh

[pastel yew]

panic defence

[pastel yew]

wdym! it's an insane damage boost

[paper trellis]

We’ve had this convo before lmao

[hasty rain]

Tbh just highlighting specific enemies is already huge

[pastel yew]

yeah but you can dislike it because it doesnt give much panic safety

but

you cant say the damage boost is low

because it aint

one is preference the others just like

numbers

[paper trellis]

If that didn’t specifically undermine its ability to be maintained I’d be all for it. For now I prefer it when other people have it

[hasty rain]

I'm not sure I follow

[paper trellis]

It’s maintained by staggered kills on highlighted targets. Highlighting for team causes them to hyperfocus those targets and ends up not lasting as long

[pastel yew]

there are so many targets highlighted though

and with the buff up you're going to insta kill them

[hasty rain]

Wait, staggered kills? I thought it was just kills or weakspot kills

[paper trellis]

Normally yes, but it hits the limit on the timer and half the extension is thrown out once you get back to the duration cap

[hasty rain]

Oh I see. Not actually killing staggered enemies

[paper trellis]

So if you kill multiple in very quick succession, it’s functionally an extra second or two instead of around 10

[pastel yew]

if it just gave a flat amount of time rather than resetting the timer it'd be broken though

[paper trellis]

Learned that the hard way while doing the penance

[pastel yew]

it'd be even more infinite uptime than it already is

as it'd maintain between fights

[paper trellis]

Mhm, but the flat amount can’t go over the total, which iirc is 30 seconds

[hasty rain]

Okay I'm with you now, tbh on harder difficulties as long as I clear the room I'm not too bothered

And there's some classes who will kill some enemies better than I do

So I don't mind losing those kills

[terse idol]

Verrry few

Maybe psyker

And other vets

[paper trellis]

Kinda? Exe stance vet has insane burst damage, it’s the whole gimmick

[pastel yew]

psyker is more killy than vet ye

exec stance isnt really burst damage

[terse idol]

Its like a requirement on some weapons

[pastel yew]

it's sustained across an entire fight

[paper trellis]

I just prefer giving my party overshield or being a sneaki breeki with a bunch of burst damage

[pastel yew]

the main burst comes from the ability modifiers, but theres nothing stopping you from taking those with another ability

[tall torrent]

No, exe has no timer cap

[terse idol]

If you also just take shooter-upkeep then it can last a long long time

[tall torrent]

Scrier’s gaze goes up to 30s then enters 10s linger I believe

[terse idol]

Theoretically you could keel up exe up the entire mission

Not that it's like

Entirely possible but

[pastel yew]

it'd be hard to do so

[terse idol]

Yeah

[paper trellis]

? What makes you say that? I hit it multiple times doing the penance

[pastel yew]

you'd need to be speedy throughout the empty sections

[terse idol]

You can practically keep it up forever as long as on your last shot before a reload you get the reset again

And thenn

[pastel yew]

just to be clear as I didnt understand what you said

[terse idol]

It drops and iirc the cooldown still goes down

[pastel yew]

are you saying that exec stance only lasts up to 30s?

[terse idol]

So you can just press it again

[tall torrent]

It has no coded timer cap

[terse idol]

Exe lasts as long as there are enemies

Unless it's bugged

[pastel yew]

hmm I guess yeah with this you do have 2x the length to try make it to the next set of enemies

[terse idol]

I've had times with my ilas7 where you just spend minutes killing shooters

[paper trellis]

No. That the total remaining time is 30 seconds. And if you kill with 29 seconds left you only get 1 second back

[terse idol]

Wuh!

Eh still

If that's the case

You can just get it back and press it again

[pastel yew]

each kill is 5 seconds refreshed, it doesnt stick at 30s

[terse idol]

Cause it still lowers it's cooldown during exe

[paper trellis]

True

[terse idol]

Yeah wait

We gotta bring this into the lab

[pastel yew]

your ability goes on cooldown

while its active

its cooldown is 30s

[terse idol]

Because I know for sure it doesn't only have a cap for 30 seconds

Oooh

[pastel yew]

but the effect duration is always 5s from your most recent highlighted kill

but you can maintain the effect until your ability is off cooldown

and even activate it again while already active if you so desire

though theres no real reason to do so outside of triggering modifiers

[paper trellis]

Could be I’m wrong, but I observed it happen multiple times while doing the penance

[pastel yew]

can you explain in clear words what you're trying to say as I'm ngl I still dont really get what you mean

[paper trellis]

Idk how much clearer I can make it dude

[pastel yew]

I mean what is "it"

even if you just restate what you said

[unreal totem]

what is the usual melee weapon?

[pastel yew]

rashad or power sword are probably the most commonly used

or I guess the dueling sword now

[paper trellis]

Where I only got back part of the 5 seconds on a kill after killing multiple highlighted targets in very quick succession

[pastel yew]

yeah it just resets the timer to 5s

it's not time gained as much as repeating the effect

the thing that threw me off and had me confused was you saying 30s

which is like... nothing to do with the ability, thats just its cooldown

before you can press it again

[paper trellis]

Hmm could be me misunderstanding how it worked there, but still maintains the necessity for staggered kills

[pastel yew]

all it means is you need to kill something that glows

and as long as you're in a fight there will be something

some strange beings take counter fire to maintain it more easily but I dont think its necessary

[paper trellis]

Ehh been in plenty of auric where I focused the shooters and there was still chaff to deal with afterwards

[pastel yew]

I think in my past 100 hours of gameplay

I've barely shot normal gunners outside of havo

c

normally just melee attack them because they dont really do anything

easily dodged, easily avoided

the only thing that really matters are the elites

you can get the node for exec stance that marks chaff enemies though

kinda pointless as you're likely to one shot them anyway even without exec stance

[paper trellis]

It’s probably just to maintain it longer

But again, generally speaking I prefer sneaki breeki or shouty
I’m glad you like it tho

Someone else highlighting targets for me is quite nice assuming they take the node

[hasty rain]

Gunners are satan tbh and the common ranged specials are the same. They are so many and if you leave them up they fill the team with holes

Kill them all

[crisp oak]

I need to go do a private lobby to grind out the penance

The 20 seconds one

[hasty rain]

Really? I found that one to be really easy

[unreal totem]

rashad?

[hasty rain]

The one I can't figure out is 'kill 5 enemies with a grenade without it bouncing'

[pastel yew]

the rashad combat axe

[terse idol]

Just gotta find the right area for it

[crisp oak]

I dont use exec stance

[pastel yew]

just in a big room

[terse idol]

Cause you gotta throw it basically straight up and down

[crisp oak]

Its a mindset issue

[pastel yew]

lob it

far

[crisp oak]

I did it with a krak I think

[terse idol]

I did it on theeee

[hasty rain]

Won't work with Krak though, I imagine?

[crisp oak]

No idea how

[terse idol]

Mission with the trains and the ammo

[terse idol]

No

[paper trellis]

Bridges work nicely. Iirc I got it off of a big staircase

[terse idol]

It must blow up in the air

[pastel yew]

isnt the krak one related to total kills

[crisp oak]

The bridge in chasm terminus was my spot

[hasty rain]

OK so it's the shredder or nothing

[paper trellis]

Krak has virtually no aoe anyway

[hasty rain]

I don't use that one tbh

[pastel yew]

I'm pretty sure I got the long toss one just on accident

[crisp oak]

Its any nade I think

[terse idol]

The train extract mission was mine

[paper trellis]

Why? Shredder is peak

[crisp oak]

Because I threw it at a crusher pack who died

[pastel yew]

worth a go

[crisp oak]

Like a year ago

[pastel yew]

they're real strong just expensive

[pastel yew]

huge brain

[crisp oak]

Shredders do a lot of damage

[pastel yew]

grenade cant hit the ground if its stuck to an enemy

[crisp oak]

Nah it counts

[paper trellis]

Kraks more often then not don't even do anything because things are dead first

[crisp oak]

It blew up as it was sticking

[terse idol]

That's weird

[pastel yew]

toss em at things that are further away

[crisp oak]

Now was it glitched

No idea

[pastel yew]

crushers that are in melee are gonna be dead instantly

though krak grenades are mostly the vets pocket boss deleter

[terse idol]

You'd need to play a damnation and THEN have a crusher pack or enemies close enough to die to a krak explosion

Honestly the penance is easier on damnation

[hasty rain]

Yeah ive seen a Krak take out 3 crushers hugging

[paper trellis]

That's how I got my krak penance, but they aren't typically a threat at that range

[hasty rain]

Sometimes more

[pastel yew]

nah I mean krak grenades are sorta mid

they're nice

they save ammo if you use your ranged weapon to kill armor

[terse idol]

They're alright

[pastel yew]

they're really good boss damage but

[terse idol]

All vet grenades lie on the alright spectrum

[pastel yew]

bosses arent that threatening

[hasty rain]

So are shredders better in general?

They seemed kinda...average?

[pastel yew]

shredders are a little overtuned but

[terse idol]

It does help on auric maelstrom with the monstrosity spawning

Modifier

[crisp oak]

Yeah depending on enemy density you can infinite nade works

[pastel yew]

drop two

[crisp oak]

Where you get a shredder back for each shredder ypu use

[pastel yew]

you basically always throw two unless you're just throwing to stagger enemies

[paper trellis]

They are really strong cc, and throwing them in pairs turns the bleed into a legitimate threat

[full nacelle]

Hey fellas! Been a while but I finally got around to finishing my third Darktide build video featuring the Graia braced autogun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjUXtxua2lg

[pastel yew]

you throw two because of the bleed stacks they apply, two sets is enough to kill off most things

[terse idol]

You usually don't need to throw a pair of shredders down, but for like packs of ragers it helps a ton

[pastel yew]

convenient as recently I've been wondering why anyone would use these over the regular iag

[hasty rain]

OK I'll give it a go

[pastel yew]

also what song is that

[paper trellis]

That and on target explosion does a good chunk of damage to carapace

[pastel yew]

why do I know it

I think the song is one of the default jukebox songs in ss13....

maybe I misremember

[full nacelle]

the vraks is definitely more overpowered than any of the other autoguns but the braced definitely has some unique strengths... mostly stupid amount of suppression and the Graia having an increased rate of fire

it's The Twinning from FFXIV

[pastel yew]

mmh, I feel like trading off the ability for accurate shots is kinda intense

I've never really given them a good go though

they just seem like a baby between the iags and the shredder autopistol

[full nacelle]

they can be fairly accurate with good burst fire but yeah you trade off range for more of a mid to close range skirmishing kind of playstyle

definitely not as bad as the autopistol... poor thing

[paper trellis]

https://youtu.be/NApxz5bSl20?si=bjP9BpgHePQYLwYm

Still find it funny that the ff14 staff did this dance because it blew up so much

[wanton dawn]

rolling steel in quick queue is kinda rough

[iron marten]

Yeah, I always use my rashad revolver build for vet on that map

[unreal totem]

why power sword feels like I am using a paper sword?

[radiant chasm]

how so?

power sword charged up is still one of the best melees in the game, just gotta play it defensively so you don't get hit out of it

[full nacelle]

Power Sword is fiiine but feels clunky to play if you don't normally use it

[unreal totem]

shotgunner is taking 3 or 4 hits to kill in heresy

[full nacelle]

You should only be using the empowered attacks

got to charge it with the special

otherwise yeah it hits like a wet noodle

[paper trellis]

There is no way that's true unless you are hitting with base attacks. It's a one shot otherwise

[unreal totem]

mauler it takes 3 empowered hits

on heresy

[full nacelle]

you're not using the charged attacks then

[unreal totem]

fully charged heavy

[normal rose]

Hello guys, just asking, what would be the best blessings be to a plasma gun? And tips to avoid overheating? Sometimes I overlooked and explode :d

[full nacelle]

if you use the special button it will actually charge the power sword

[full nacelle]

^

if your sword does not look like that when you're swinging it, you're power swording wrong

[wanton dawn]

don't use charged shot

[normal rose]

Only left mouse clicks? 😮

[unreal totem]

thats what I am doing

heavy empowered

in the head

[wanton dawn]

Am not using heavy

[unreal totem]

feels like I using a knife

a butter knife

[broken spade]

none of those are heavies

[wanton dawn]

Well, if you show neither your build nor weapon

[full nacelle]

you should really only be using the lights and push attack on the mkVI power sword

[narrow frost]

Check the 1st pin message to see blessing/best stats/perks. and to not explode just use left click

plasma should only use left click

[unreal totem]

what is the difference between scandar and achlys?

[unreal totem]

why not heavy attack?

[wanton dawn]

achlys is better in most situation

[full nacelle]

charge lights kill 90% of things and the things it doesn't die to the Push Attack + Light combo

[wanton dawn]

heavy do not increase damage nor cleave much and can be cancelled

also achlys light has better movement

and push attack is better against big target

[oblique totem]

No idea about the blessings but reloading completely resets the heat on a plasma gun.

[wanton dawn]

Get hots! is the best blessings. Then it depends. I use rising heat

[tall torrent]

Press special action key to activate

[tall torrent]

Gets hot + rising heat / gloryhunter

Don’t use charged shots (right click)

[unreal totem]

all the time?

it is only good with empowered lights

[iron marten]

Unfortunately, the powersword isn't like relic sword where it's still good unempowered

Power Sword should be activated 95% of the time

[unreal totem]

is shock maul good?

[orchid hemlock]

u take it if you are

[tall torrent]

It is only “good” in activated mode yea

[unreal totem]

so it's bad

[tall torrent]

You need a specific blessing for it

Power cycler

[unreal totem]

but I have to use it empowered almost all of the time

[paper trellis]

Yes, but it is a monster when empowered, cuts through crowds like butter and can very easily destroy crushers

[vestal widget]

there's a funny 1-shot crusher headshot build ppl do for mostly melee maelstrom

[pastel pumice]

Your problem is solved, good veteran.

Instead of your sword being paper

Your enemies become paper.

@vestal widget you have my attention

[unreal totem]

is shovel good?

[sleek garden]

scab captain shot me randomly with a gun and it pushed me into the air where i was sniped because i couldnt do anything

cheating

[unreal totem]

but having to power up all the time feels weird

[midnight totem]

Power sword need two charged attacks, minimal

Tbh

[paper trellis]

Literally just use power cycler

[midnight totem]

That's not the point

If you have to have the blessing, it's not good

[paper trellis]

It is. Power sword had multiple swings before and made every other melee pointless

[faint beacon]

My issue with the power sword isn’t powered mode needing more

My issue is innactive state

Is fucking useless

[unreal nova]

Is funni tazer stick. Go taze bulwarks.

[faint beacon]

Never use it

[midnight totem]

Power sword had like, 4 or 3 extra swings before, that was too much. One extra would be good and would make other blessings more viable

[faint beacon]

Personally they should just buff the off state

Powered is fine as is

[midnight totem]

Also true. Though I get use out of unpowered to quickly finish off lone trash mobs and dogs

[faint beacon]

Notice one

Lmao

That’s my issue with it

I’d rather be able to hold its own on off with max 3

Powered should obviously be for a massive horde

[unreal nova]

Shovel is fun. You can bonk anything. Get a foldable one if you wanna really bonk armored stuff.

[vestal widget]

I haven't played PS in ages. But IIRC, you need the +10% melee, +5% melee, precision strikes, superiority complex, bring it down, desperado, then some more damage on top

CQKZ + marksman buffs work
Or a crit
Or focus target + agile
or something

To get a one-shot stab

for understandable reasons most of those builds use cqkz + marksman to get it on demand

[midnight totem]

Unpowered dog headshot breakpoint lmao

[unreal totem]

is foldable a mark version? because I didn't see another version

[faint beacon]

Going from RBlade to PS makes me incredibly depressed

[unreal nova]

Another mark, yeh. Well, 2 marks have it.

[vestal widget]

foldable are the two that aren't the basic sapper shovels

[unreal nova]

3 and 7.

7 is better against hordes, 3 is better for bonking single enemies.

Mostly cos of the faster pullout on the folded form bonk.

[faint beacon]

Mk1 is the best overall shovel but Mk7 is slightly weaker Horde Clear for a far more dangerous special

Instantly killing mutants

Mk3 literally goes all in on special use

It’s kinda why you see no one use it

[vestal widget]

I tend to just do the push overhead lights combos on the 7 if there is more than 1 crusher anyway

the unyielding damage mod on the folding shovels felt awful the last time I tried it tho

[unreal nova]

Shush.

[faint beacon]

In my 1.6k hours

I’ve seen only 2 Mk3 users

[unreal nova]

Is funni bonk.

[faint beacon]

I’ve seen 4 Mk7s

[unreal nova]

Is my go to when I don't just go, kark it all, DS4 time.

Cos funni bonk sounds.

[faint beacon]

I’d rather sell my soul to knife

[unreal nova]

I thought you go carapace and flak?

[faint beacon]

I just do not like how extremely strong DS is

[unreal nova]

Is why I go to it when I'm just tired.

Otherwise shovel bonk funni.

[vestal widget]

I'm saying that the weapon does really bad damage to unyielding enemies (bulwarks, bosses)

[unreal nova]

Ah. Then yeah. Pack a big gun for those.

[vestal widget]

I'm personally a fan of infernus laspistol pewpewpew because gottagofast

[unreal nova]

Though I need to finish the heavy sword... And be done with all melee masteries for vet.

I really hate the heavy sword.

Worse than knife, don't even have parry.

And at least the chainaxe laughs at crushers and such.

[tall torrent]

Use a different melee weapon then

[unreal totem]

I am trying

[unreal nova]

Honestly, just try them all and see what clicks for you.

[unreal totem]

so mk7 is the in between in single target and horde clear?

[faint beacon]

Pretty much, Mk1 has the best Horde clear out of all of them

[unreal nova]

More or less, but try them all tbh. I thought I would like the 7 the most, but then I tried the 3 and well, it clicked better.

[faint beacon]

Mk7 Is still solid

[pastel pumice]

Word @vestal widget

[faint beacon]

Mk3 is the weakest cause its going all in on Special Use

[tall torrent]

Mk1 has slightly better horde clear than mk7 due to faster heavy attack speed

But it’s still just, mid horde clear

[unreal nova]

And I'll be honest, whatever feels more comfy for you should be the one you go with.

Cos in the end, it's a game, so whatever feel more fun is always the best.

[midnight totem]

Does anybody know, if fatahark fixed the "fake" 3 stam curios?

[unreal nova]

Nope.

[unreal nova]

If it's 400 power or below, it's a guaranteed fake.

[vestal widget]

only some 400 power are fake iirc

[midnight totem]

I have a friend who has several 400

He says they're all working as 3s

[unreal nova]

Most are though, and unless you are willing to test them one by one...

[vestal widget]

yeah, it's easier to just grab ones that are above that these days

by spamming melkbucks for random curios or smth

[midnight totem]

@scenic ginkgo

But if you've tested and they work, that's fine

[scenic ginkgo]

I was summoned

What's up?

Yeah I can screenshot them

All 3 present as 10 Stamina bars on Ogryn

[vestal widget]

this is still the most up to date afaik

[midnight totem]

Was double checking with your 400 power curios

[scenic ginkgo]

Thankfully all of my main build curios are 410+ lol

[unreal nova]

I guess I'm really unlucky with the 400 +3 stams then. Since when I tested mine, they all come up as 2 in real games.

[slow spade]

amazing

I got ledged off while still on the map

[scenic ginkgo]

Might have something to do with when they were obtained? I just got these

[unreal nova]

Psykanium will lie and say they are 3 though.

[scenic ginkgo]

Ahh I tested them in psy

[vestal widget]

psyk is local and not game servers

[scenic ginkgo]

Maybe they do lie

[unreal nova]

No clue, I got them like a week or so after HC, IIRC.

[scenic ginkgo]

Either way I'm only using them for speedrunning Ogryn build

Doesn't super matter

[unreal nova]

You can still test by counting how many without any.

And how many after them.

[scenic ginkgo]

Yeah I did that in Psy

[unreal nova]

After 1 real game.

Even sedition counts.

[midnight totem]

Hallowette is clearly hawking this fake stuff

[scenic ginkgo]

Anyway I will now return to Big Man chat

This was a nice cameo

[midnight totem]

Later

[scenic ginkgo]

Ty for the help as always Fie

🙏

[unreal totem]

focus target is pretty good

tag a monster and he gets melted

[unreal nova]

You do it if you want to see crusher die in one hit.

[unreal totem]

yeah, any elite dies faster

[unreal nova]

Is more, when playing with someone who runs it on Malice.

[unreal totem]

does it work if someone else tags it?

[unreal nova]

My revolver is a 1 shot crit kill to crushers, lul.

It's a general damage increase for the team, last I know.

Otherwise, I won't make the breakpoint to 1 shot even on Malice.

[paper trellis]

Fuck need to check mine. But it flags as the red in the mod

[unreal nova]

If only we can see the actual value.

[faint beacon]

Not too sure who was in this match, but it was incredibly smooth

[ocean otter]

Yo is power sword and plasma gun good

[vale wraith]

They’re pretty much the best weapons for vet

Plasma definitely is anyway

[supple stag]

Power Sword is really strong

Lacks mobility, but makes it up with the sheer killing power

And I refuse to talk about Plasma

[vale wraith]

M1 spam go brrr

[faint beacon]

Wait a second

[faint beacon]

@slow spade Did I play a match with you, you fucker

[paper trellis]

can you check this in the test room, or does it only do so in actual missions?

[unreal nova]

Only actual missions. the Psykanium always lies for fake +3 stam.

[paper trellis]

ugh lovely

[unreal nova]

Is why you don't bother unless at least 410 power +3.

[paper trellis]

but rngesus hates me

[unreal nova]

I know. I still haven't seen a +17 toughness yet... And only 1x +21% hp on my vet...

[paper trellis]

fuck, yeah the one i'm using is a lie

[unreal nova]

Ah well.

[gilded wraith]

If I run the Mk1 Sapper, what's the best combination of blessings for frag grenade use? Uncanny/Decimator, or Uncanny/Skullcrusher?

[unreal nova]

Is up to your taste.

All that matters is Uncanny.

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, wasn't certain if Skullcrusher or Decimator interacted better with frags.

[fading yarrow]

Just had the longest DC ever, three minutes of just in and out desync

[unreal nova]

Skull is better if you VoC, I assume, since insta stagger to heck everything near.

But is shovel anyway, is stagger machine.

[gilded wraith]

Does decimator strength have any impact on grenade damage?

[unreal nova]

Not sure, but I know decimator ends if you miss, so i assume you won't have time to grenade or so.

[tall torrent]

No, it’s melee strength

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, skullcrusher it is.

[slow spade]

lol yeah that's me with my pocket psyker

[faint beacon]

Insanely smooth match, I was trying a different knife out with my beloved rifle and that shit felt so fucking fluid that entire match

[slow spade]

I'm going to be honest, we were sad that entire match lol

"man I fucking triggered a daemonhost"

[faint beacon]

Why, cause it was me or just the incidents happening

lmao

Cause I saw the DH at first and was like

[slow spade]

na my friend made a noob mistake and he's a havoc 40 player :p

[faint beacon]

if he lasts more than 10 seconds I'll help

15 seconds later

oh he's still alive

[slow spade]

honestly same I thought he was dead too

he basically said "kinetic deflector op pls buff"

[faint beacon]

That thing really just fucking is a stonewall for DH's LMAO

[slow spade]

but yeah that daemonhost and when the 3 poxbursters hit at the last med station. I was thinking "holy fuck am I about to use 3 med charges"

[slow spade]

that and he's my pocket solo clutcher

I may get all the elites but he saves my ass lol

I have this portrait for a reason

[faint beacon]

Had that shit happen and I get

so fucking mad I actually just leave

cause I refuse to waste 2+ charges

[slow spade]

"169 damage taken" "4 med charges used" I'm havoc ready I swear pls

[gilded wraith]

How does this look for a havoc build for sapper mk1/recon 6c

[faint beacon]

Still Haven't beat H40 btw and I've been getting Consistent Rage Quiters of them in my matches LMAO

(I have a life and every time I've been offered to do H40 its on the worst maps)

[tall torrent]

I’d like to play havoc more if the server wasn’t teleporting me all the time

[slow spade]

I really think you want Close Combat Order for the toughness resist so I suggest to drop Demo Team imo

[faint beacon]

I hate to say it, Drop the Shovel immediately

its not going to work in H40

[slow spade]

I LOVE GLORIANNA

[faint beacon]

Gloriana and the uh-

[gilded wraith]

I'm only around H23 at the moment.

[faint beacon]

shit Special Ammo mission

[tall torrent]

Demo team is non-negotiable

[faint beacon]

Till about 25+

you can use it

once you hit there drop it

[slow spade]

ah I haven't tried high havocs yet

[gilded wraith]

I'll swap to power sword at that point

[faint beacon]

That or a sin

[gilded wraith]

sin?

[faint beacon]

I refuse to use DS4

we came up with the name (Friend group)

Uncanny Lacerate makes the bleed stack to ludicrous damage

[tall torrent]

Power sword (sunder)
Rashad combat axe
Duelling sword
Knife

Basically

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771037708260868127/1316500011156111460/image.png?ex=676b17ae&is=6769c62e&hm=887169c5c47a297ba720b685678423484bbfc642544101eecca182045b611cf2&

[gilded wraith]

I might just give rashad minus trench a try... though it pains me.

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s job is to wipe elites and kill specials

[faint beacon]

I STILL

gotta beat H40

[tall torrent]

Nah, take trench fighter

[faint beacon]

I've done 2 runs and everytime we wiped at end event

So im H40 "ready" its just it boiled down to Attrition

[tall torrent]

@gilded wraith

[faint beacon]

You always take this when Blight Spreads is in play

Always

[slow spade]

"400 elites" yeah that sounds about right

[tall torrent]

Nah
Zealot takes purity aura

[faint beacon]

I played with Dorn

You THINK he's gonna run that

LMAO

[tall torrent]

Ofc he wouldn’t

[faint beacon]

No but seriously

it helps a shit ton

[tall torrent]

Havoc is a very weird game mode

[faint beacon]

Allows another get out of jail in Blight

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1320853427202560103/peak_fatshark_connection.mp4?ex=676b1c1d&is=6769ca9d&hm=e8b636183bba25eaeb3d87d939ee5c77d4cec4cd0164745b9d04d54d1a2381e2&

[slow spade]

sadly only my pocket psyker is in Havoc 40

[gilded wraith]

Thanks, I'll give that a try.

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah fun fact

you know how uh

[slow spade]

I personally don't like the "haha your stats are gone" thing. I thought they weren't going to do that :/

[faint beacon]

you can slip and slide on BON Slime

you can do it on blight pools

[slow spade]

no downsides trust me UwU

[faint beacon]

Insanely risky cause its worse than BON Slime corruption

[tall torrent]

Sliding in BoN slime corrupts at faster rate than sprinting

[faint beacon]

but I had to use it once with how bad a horde got

You know honestly having a zealot draw agro and bring it back to the group to clear the area ahead was insanely useful on H40

[tall torrent]

Zealot usually is not main dps in havoc

It’s funny

Veteran needs to put in twice the effort to have half the impact

[orchid hemlock]

??????????

[tall torrent]

Zealot and psyker press F to immediately have more impact

[tall torrent]

Yea this is basically why I haven’t been playing havoc

[tall torrent]

This is quick play NA east

Havoc is even worse

[faint beacon]

Vet DPS Is literally

Shredder spam

Zealot grabs agro

drags it to group

you spam nades

rinse repeat till events

[grizzled pebble]

Vet needs 100% power to mimic a fraction of psykers power

[hearty panther]

it's rather unenviable tbh

granted fatshark slowwalked themselves into this position with psyker lol

legitimately the only thing they 'lack' is their own gold toughness source

they otherwise take top spot in almost every category of gameplay and they can achieve all these categories in a single build simultaneously

[grizzled pebble]

Vet spam nade but 1 blast of my trauma kill 20 chaffs in havoc 40

[tough tiger]

Real

The funny stick do be clearing anything less than a monster

[tall torrent]

Veteran is the “2x the effort for half the impact” class

[grizzled pebble]

Payback for 1 year of sustain fire bolter and 75% pinning fire autopistol

[hearty panther]

i mean some players most certainly overinduldged in that shit

[tough tiger]

Vet class on a penitant crusade

[hearty panther]

i got tired of it very quickly personally

you were either a space marine or just some fucken dude with grenades

zero bonuses without the ult

immensely binary gameplay results

[grizzled pebble]

Vet so bad darcy quitted the game

[hearty panther]

darcy still plays

[grizzled pebble]

Oh and power sword back then with like 7 special attacks with cycler

[hearty panther]

at least occasionally anyway

[grizzled pebble]

Or the funny attack cancel so you run slaughterer rampage

Heavy 1 block xd

Pre class rework vet hit different

[tall torrent]

Doubt they’ll even consider nerfing psyker in line

[grizzled pebble]

Now it's time to atone sinners

They gave burgatus blaze away bless them

Bring a meh weapon to s++

[hearty panther]

i only recently realized how stupidly they implemented that, since i hate purgatus

it stacks up pretty much instantly

no idea what the fuck the idea was behind that

[grizzled pebble]

It's balanced

[hearty panther]

patently idiotic

[grizzled pebble]

I'm doing like 400k direct damage alone these days because of blaze away crit for like 200+ damage with a 3 chain crit string lol

[elder fiber]

yeah what could possibly go wrong with buffing the infinite cleave ammo-less flamethrower in a horde fps

[grizzled pebble]

Then double that with soulblaze damage

[tacit sonnet]

Not just buffing

Purgatus used to only have basically one good blessing

[hearty panther]

i mean i dont hate the idea on principle. in my mind i was like, "oh okay so like if you full-charged you'd have your max stacks at about halfway through the cast, right?"

[tacit sonnet]

And now it got +40% power without losing ANYTHING

[hearty panther]

but no, if you do the shortest cast length, you still hit five stacks

its IMMEDIATE

it is the dumbest possible implementation

[grizzled pebble]

You lose your dignity but that's fine I'm unsanctioned

[hearty panther]

there is no risk and it's pure reward

[tall torrent]

Psyker never had dignity to begin with so it’s ok

[grizzled pebble]

[hearty panther]

ill still just never use it

purg is so fucking boring i'd legit rather alt-tab and watch someone else play

[tall torrent]

I just don’t think the “glass cannon” rhetoric is really justifiable for the current state of the game, but that’s prob just me lol

[grizzled pebble]

It's funny when you are lone psyker with 3 choir bois singing to you

[hearty panther]

its not but most people still arent aware of Mettle + Empathic Evasion

or my favourite, "Psyker has no TDR in their tree"

[tall torrent]

S+++ tier talent nerfed into S+ tier talent and people complain about it being too much of a nerf

Ok I guess

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

1 crit from any non-EK staff instantly giving back 50%+ toughness from the amount of enemies it gets to hit

Fair and balanced talent

[hearty panther]

dunno if you saw telopots short video on toughness

stood point blank facing a gunner and just empties a recon into a pogryn and his toughness regen outstrips the gunner

[tall torrent]

Toughness has some problems, I don’t agree with every specific thing he mentioned, but I do agree with most of it

Especially the TDR problem

[hearty panther]

and people on the forum were still like "well yea but souleater is still better"

[tall torrent]

TDR makes toughness non-transformative to understand

[grizzled pebble]

Bring back instant toughness from blaze trauma crit

[hearty panther]

no

[grizzled pebble]

Mfw I have to take soulstealer with blaze trauma now

[tall torrent]

Because 150 toughness on psyker is not nearly the same thing as 150 toughness on veteran

And especially in TDR heavy cases it’s like, hard to measure exactly how much effective toughness u have

[hearty panther]

it's hard to mentally numerate Veteran's Toughness cause Iron Will and gold toughness being such a dummy interaction but playing it is intuitive

you dont want your bar to dip below 75%, ez

[tall torrent]

I think mettle needs to get nerfed harder

[frank ether]

havoc lobbies are so funny

[tall torrent]

Legit give it like 3s internal cooldown

[hearty panther]

i mean i'd be fine if it was just the movespeed bonus

[frank ether]

everyone wants book-corruption zealot

yet none of the fucks bring one

[grizzled pebble]

Embrace choir boi

[frank ether]

I won't

[hearty panther]

same as it always was

[frank ether]

I'll continue playing fotf

[hearty panther]

"uhhhh you gotta play this build or we cant win"
"then why arent you fucken playin it"

if your answer is "i didnt want to"

GUESS WHAT BUDDY

ME NEITHER

[frank ether]

we lost the game because BoN+captain spawned

and 2 separated vets immediately died

psyker insisted to sit on his bubble against BoN puke

also died

''we lost because you didn't bring cleanse book''

[grizzled pebble]

Well of you're a solo psyker there's a big expectation for you to bring bubble too

[hearty panther]

most lobby hosts are pussies anyway, they see 1,000 or w/e by my name and just hit accept and then when theyre hit with the wall of silence from my muted VOIP just let me stay anyway

but also, like, dudes
havocs give you three attempts
thats by design

[frank ether]

I'm just half convinced to make my own cabal to play havocs with

gatekeep tards

[hearty panther]

you arent meant to fucken fly through it and win it on the first go every time lmao

[frank ether]

I do not need to carry dummies with attitude

[grizzled pebble]

Play psyker ez carry

[frank ether]

zealot carries fine tbh but like

sometimes all 3 of your teammates die in a corner and you're like

what do I do now

also BoN is a nightmare for solo carry

[grizzled pebble]

Play choir zealot for ez carry

[frank ether]

It is when they stay in range of it

[tall torrent]

89.2k health slug boss

[frank ether]

I tried to do the door nuke trick but botched it

also slight unethical the amount of vets that just bring fireteam-krak and then magdump with a boltgun or whatever

my first havoc today had one vet that quad dipped the ammo

[cold shell]

I gotta kill 2000 mooks in melee with veteran. What's the way to have the most fun doing that?

[frank ether]

I blame tanner for this, they watch his meta video and think they're hot shit lmao

[tough tiger]

Fotf and knife still works

But i still need a second zealot with book and cleanse to keep in things in check while i run around

[hearty panther]

its every youtuber really, but the ones that aren't shit all were pretty clear lmao

"hey guys this is not a mandatory meta or anything, this was just what we used to hit and win 40 as quickly as possible"

the viewers: "oh so ogryn racism is the only way to win my havoc 20, got it"

[tall torrent]

Lmao

I think ogryn is 100% playable in h40s but he needs team to accommodate for him which ends up being less optimal compared to smth like, 2x chorus zealot + 1x bubble psyker + survivalist frag VoC axe plasma veteran

Karsolas + taunt just works

[hearty panther]

which to me just circles back to the whole three tries thing

if you cant make it work as a team with three fresh attempts

then yea, you couldnt do it

its not over on the first loss though

[tall torrent]

People are oblivious to playing as a team

[hearty panther]

oh, absolutely lmao

the number of lobbies where im quietly negged on for not bringing a bubble

[tall torrent]

I’ve seen h40 people just wander off and die in the middle of nowhere

[hearty panther]

but everyone takes their fights solo and rooms away

like ok

what the fuck was me casting bubble over here by myself

gonna do to help you anwyay

are you a ship lost at sea

[grizzled pebble]

Easiest team combo for me is 3 psykers 1 choir boi xd

[hearty panther]

is this the only lighthouse you can see

can you not read friendly nametags

what is WRONG with your BRAIN

[frank ether]

only quietly?

[hearty panther]

at 0% VOIP volume, its pretty quiet

[unreal totem]

is it just me that gets the voc effect on the screen all the time?

[frank ether]

tbh I have been craving a psyker that knows how to play the class

and just can't find me

its always someone on bubble doing not much else

[sleek garden]

bubble spam lmb flame

gets hit 5 times and dies

[frank ether]

like you have no ammo woes, the veteran is hogging all the ammo, how the hell are you below half my performance as a psyker?

and then have the gall to blame me .d

[tall torrent]

All they need to know is basically
How to position their bubbles
How to use left click inferno (it staggers things)
How to melee basic mob enemies

That’s like as basic as it gets

[frank ether]

they fail at the last part unfortunately

the other two parts are point n click

I think the issue is a lot of the times

its a wall of gunners

the bubble is placed behind

great, we're now sitting in place doing nothing

[tall torrent]

Bad bubble placements are traumatizing

[frank ether]

if we take the narrow path fotf can solve many shitty bubble situations tbh

or just a good veteran