veteran-class

[crisp oak]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-the-pan-viralhog-playing-with-the-pan-turning-the-pan-gif-26489053

[oak gorge]

they are learning to cook

shrimp fried rice pales in comparison to cat fried rice

[serene bough]

Its so frigid cold here right now i could really go for some stir fry

Mmmm

[wanton dawn]

I just made soup

[oak gorge]

what kind of soup

[wanton dawn]

Potato, carrot, mushroom and onion

[serene bough]

No meat?

[crisp oak]

Were you at the soup store?

[oak gorge]

vegetable soup does go pretty hard tho

[wary spoke]

Thanks

[wanton dawn]

I put chicken stock

[tall torrent]

I’m working on a port over to steam guide which will also serve as an upgrade, but the pinned document should suffice most of the time

[hollow ibex]

lol sorry i insulted your favorite influencer. even the racist part aside (which tbh why would you ignore that??), he's still a constant source of fake news

[serene bough]

I usually prefer beef but this is acceptable

[wanton dawn]

I have both, but beef stock has a strong taste

[wary spoke]

He is not my favourite man I am new to this community and game

[oak gorge]

christmas is nice because you can use the leftover turkey to make sandwiches and soup for like the next 2 days at least

[wary spoke]

How would I have favourites off the bat he was just the first source I came across.

[austere mica]

Sadly turkey is mid

[hollow ibex]

ok, it sounded like you were taking it kinda personally, so i made the natural assumption

[serene bough]

Is ok, people here don't like him for good reason, you couldn't have known

Path's guide is much better

[wary spoke]

Fairs

Appreciate the help

[oak gorge]

turkey isn't the best but goose is too annoying to cook and people have chicken the whole rest of the year so it doesn't feel special

[wanton dawn]

Turkey is too anglosaxon for my taste

[oak gorge]

sir what does this mean

[serene bough]

Anglosaxon

As a flavor?

[wanton dawn]

As a christmas meal

[serene bough]

Ah

[oak gorge]

hipsters eat swan for christmas

or chitlins

[wanton dawn]

I eat seafood

[oak gorge]

penguin coded

[serene bough]

Christmas i prefer ham and the 7 fishes, Thanksgiving i do turkey

[austere mica]

I do brisket for thanksgiving

[oak gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/bridget-bridget-guilty-gear-brisket-taunt-gif-26654715

you eat her 😔

[wanton dawn]

I dont do thanksgiving

[austere mica]

It’s just kinda make a bigass meal week for me

[serene bough]

Im very much into thick and hearty stews for this kind of weather

[austere mica]

The holiday fucking sucks cause the Europeans ruined everything they touched at that point in time

[serene bough]

And a good stout

[oak gorge]

the continent of europe

[wanton dawn]

I could do stew, but I barely do meat when I cook

[serene bough]

I always eat meat

[oak gorge]

carnivores be like

[serene bough]

I need to incorporate more fruits but I don't like sweets

[oak gorge]

how about starwberries

[serene bough]

Berries are edible but I can only have a few

[wanton dawn]

Try an apple carrot salad

[oak gorge]

i have ulcerative colitis so fruit and veg are my immortal enemy 💯

[serene bough]

Ive never heard of this, i will try

[wanton dawn]

Apple goes well in salad

[serene bough]

Mmmmm

I'll have to try

[coral gale]

i just almost died thought u said "ulcerative clitoris" omg

[gilded wraith]

Taste test the carrots and make sure they are sweet. Some of the larger ones are harsh.

[serene bough]

Usually for salads I stick with cranberries

[oak gorge]

now that does sound painful

[coral gale]

omfg lol

anyway whats the most fun vet weapon currently other than the recon laz

[tall torrent]

what would u define as fun

[oak gorge]

i personally had a ridiculous amount of fun with the helbore (bayonet gun)

that was a few updates ago so i think its not as ridiculously overpowered now

[coral gale]

yeah the bayonet is still op tho

[oak gorge]

good to know

[coral gale]

tried it lastnight

[tall torrent]

bayonet is just good for what it's made for

it's not a melee replacement anymore

[coral gale]

literally 3 shot reapers

[oak gorge]

that month i used the bayonet exclusively was probs the most fun i had on darktide

even if it felt weird melting plague ogryns with it

[vague pier]

enjoyment, amusement, or light-hearted pleasure.
"the children were having fun in the play area"

[coral gale]

https://tenor.com/view/cutecore-toll-gif-14989780945369042465

[oak gorge]

also going full smoke-stealth vet was a blast

[coral gale]

never messed with smoke tbh

[oak gorge]

i think when i used it it was a bit undertuned

still really cool tho

[ornate ivy]

speaking of helbore, is there any reason to use anything other than the mkIV(slashy)?

[oak gorge]

and seeing two psykers using assail and smite complaining about the smoke making it impossible to aim was a high point

bro your abilities auto aim

[ornate ivy]

LOL!

[oak gorge]

what you aiming at

[wanton dawn]

Smoke is a weird case

[coral gale]

https://tenor.com/view/point-gun-viralhog-aim-warning-dont-do-that-gif-17210728

[wanton dawn]

At the end of the day though, it suffer the comparison with shredder

[oak gorge]

something just so cool about that door kicking fantasy where you throw smoke in the room and when it clears everything is dead

🫦

[coral gale]

the shock maul on vet is nice the special is noice too

[oak gorge]

never got to try the maul myself, computer borked itself to death just before the update

[wanton dawn]

I've yet to enjoy another weapon that is not ps

[oak gorge]

blunt weps in general are cool tho

[wanton dawn]

Or bm bayo (rip)

[oak gorge]

i always come back to combat knife too 😩 (but not as a zealot so its okay)

[austere mica]

Go try the greatswords

[wanton dawn]

This is vet chan though

[austere mica]

Womp womp try them anyway

[wanton dawn]

I dont play fanatic hobbo

[austere mica]

Psyker has a set

[oak gorge]

look if i wanted to be mentally ill and really fragile i'd just go outside in real life

[austere mica]

But then you wouldn't have space magic

[oak gorge]

depends on how many anti depressants i consume

eventually it horshoe theories its way round to being insane again and then you can explode peoples brains with your mind

[tame lodge]

Fellow Mk4 enjoyer

[pastel pumice]

Trying Powersword out

Any specifics that could help me start out?

[austere mica]

Power cycler + Brutal Momentum mk6

[halcyon blaze]

I've been lobbing them long range at ragers when I see them before the group even gets aggro, but yeah, it's slow going. Going for an infiltrate build where you can rush a little ahead gives you a chance to take out the armoured foes fast too, I just try and do a double infiltrate so I have an escape option.

[austere mica]

You either play this or the weapon feels like shit

[pastel pumice]

Why the mk6?

[wanton dawn]

power cycler is not negotiable

[austere mica]

Better moveset

[pastel pumice]

Mmm yeah I'm seeing that now

[austere mica]

Light spam for everything that isn't a crusher and PA->Light for anything that survives

[terse idol]

Because they're wrong

Like i dunno chief

[austere mica]

(This combo will crusher onetap)

[terse idol]

Some of it is

[pastel pumice]

Dump?

Mobility right

[austere mica]

Mobility

[pastel pumice]

Gotcha

[austere mica]

Its a weapon without collateral defences or warp res

[terse idol]

How do you know if you could be performing better had you have the right information?

[pastel pumice]

What's PA again

[terse idol]

Its weird to be like

[pastel pumice]

Just any armor?

[terse idol]

"Darktide players when someone has their own opinion"

It's an opinion

[austere mica]

Push Attack

[terse idol]

It can be wrong

[wanton dawn]

Mk6 push attack into overhead is very stronk

[terse idol]

When you got the writer of the discord guide saying how they do have some of the wrong information after crunching the numbers like

Yeah

Something something a broken clock is right once a day

[wanton dawn]

I think you arrive after the battle

[terse idol]

I missed it?!

Nooo!

[austere mica]

You're comparing someone who mostly spouts unscripted arguments in unedited videos versus someone who tested fucking stagger breakpoints on ranged weapons

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure it was before me talking about soup

[tall torrent]

U throw kraks into horde enemies that wear flak Armor

As long as they have “flak / carapace” as their core Armor type it counts for the penance

Not sure about unyielding? I think it counts?

[silver yoke]

biget

[oak gorge]

bidet

[silver yoke]

Why is Demolition Team used?
i don't really like gambling

[silver yoke]

Explain

[oak gorge]

its not really gasmbling tbh

chances are you're gonna get those grenades pretty often

[upbeat rapids]

i do

[silver yoke]

I mean I guess I'll ask honestly.
Is there any merit to runnning infiltrate in High Havoc levels?

[oak gorge]

and its almost a support perk since the fact you'll regen grenades means it frees them up for your team more often

[narrow frost]

no

because gold toughness is overpowered

[silver yoke]

and let me guess
Spamming Frags is better than spamming kraks

[narrow frost]

correct!

[oak gorge]

i use smoke

because i'm a hipster

[silver yoke]

Krak Users and infiltrate users in shambles (me frfr)

[oak gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/santai-gif-6983900327723509557

[silver yoke]

What does it say about me if my favorite skill is "Leave no one behind"

[oak gorge]

i mean i used to use it on my stealth vet lol

don't think its massively needed tho

[silver yoke]

Did yall see my shit build earlier?

it was funny

[wanton dawn]

When you have hundreds of specials by game, it is no longer gambling

[silver yoke]

you know thats not a bad point

also

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9dc9acfd-e5d1-4433-b320-0f87c8037a69
reposting so i can get shit on

[wanton dawn]

I don't comment build unless they are keystoneless

[silver yoke]

its a good one trust me

[wanton dawn]

It is not about being good. It is about me getting quickly tired about arguing

[silver yoke]

i dont wanna argue i think my build is bad.
Im looking for constructive criticism.

this is what i want out of life
Krak
Rashad
Bistol
infiltrate
No one left behind
Weapons Specialist

im just having to cope that krak and infiltrate are not meta

[wanton dawn]

Kraks are fine

[silver yoke]

they dont combo with bistol tho

[wanton dawn]

It is a fine antiboss tool

[terse idol]

Skip no one left behind 😌

Just gotta make sure you have enough talent points to make sure you clear the breakpoints for the bistol AND the rashad

[wanton dawn]

best duelling swork mark ?

alright, time to go in maelstrom to try it

[gleaming turtle]

Someone mentioned to me last night that the exploding bolt blessing actually makes Kraks stronger.

[potent canyon]

MK IV is what most people use but any mark is broken on DS

[pastel pumice]

Back

Perks for the Psword?

I've got the blessings down

[austere pine]

can i just start spam leaving matches when i see ds on zealots?

[austere mica]

You can but you probably won't play the game very often

[tame lodge]

You're better off uninstalling 💀

[austere pine]

i despise that decision and unless ds gets nerfed to the ground i will not enjoy seeing it

[tame lodge]

[austere pine]

most of the time they're not even good and i need to carry them with literally anything else

in all situations (be it picking off crushers or dealing with hordes)

you'd think somebody using a crutch can actually do some things by themselves

[silver yoke]

@tall torrent What do i lose by using Kraks instead of Frags with my Bistol at higher difficulties
why are frags preffered?

[tall torrent]

lethal proximity increases explosions' radius

krak doesn't spread a lot of dmg besides blast center

[austere pine]

because kraks stick to a dude ™️ and you only get 3 kraks

[tall torrent]

frags apply bleed irrespective of distance from blast center

[austere pine]

do bleed stacks differ or is it "take damage, apply bleed"?

[silver yoke]

Do Frags have more use cases compared to kraks?

[tall torrent]

yes

[silver yoke]

How do Frags do against boss enemies?

[tall torrent]

you have an axe

[silver yoke]

fair enough

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1316874649174540338/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.12.12_-_16.09.00.02.mp4?ex=675ca296&is=675b5116&hm=18bcb9dffd4e14338a2e52bb6deac6408c6ae84d5397b313bba455cf0cd3da3a&

[austere pine]

you can use frags to stagger, to deal with hordes, to burn ranged enemies out of cover

[silver yoke]

And let me guess, VoC is better because its in a better spot in the tree, easier to spam, and takes less work to use compared to Infiltrate because you get immediate results

[austere pine]

kraks literally only do damage to unyielding or carapace, or flak if you hit, and there's no point in getting damage on grenades

[tall torrent]

yea

[austere pine]

ish

[tall torrent]

infiltrate is just 2 point extra tax

[austere pine]

voc gives gold toughness which is incredible

[silver yoke]

Is there ever a reason to choose Infiltrate over VoC in Havoc?

[austere pine]

if you know what you're doing

[silver yoke]

that being?

[austere pine]

clutch revives, objectives

but your team should also know that you're doing that

[silver yoke]

well what 2 talents would i sacrafice for using infiltrate?

[austere pine]

because otherwise they're missing out on stagger and survivability

that they might be relying on

[austere pine]

this is voc

not infiltrate. should be noted

it's this, snipers, maulers, tox bombers, gunners, flamers...

you run infiltrate if it's a mission like where you need to play a minigame or the one where you carry the things up stair cases to put into cooling things

[silver yoke]

what about on other missions?

[austere pine]

not really that useful on high diffs

[silver yoke]

damn

[austere pine]

it's done

[narrow frost]

now get to 5900

[silver yoke]

is this "why we use VoC"

[austere pine]

it's ugly

[narrow frost]

what is?

[austere pine]

the helmet for 5500

so i have no reason to try going higher

[pastel pumice]

That's a first

Compared to the rebreather-only variant

[austere pine]

pants and chest are what's actually worth getting

[pastel pumice]

Helmet takes the cake

[austere pine]

yeah both helmets are ugly xd

[pastel pumice]

brutal or sunder for psword mk4

[austere pine]

like... good helmets are a lost art

i run sunder

[narrow frost]

sunder

[austere pine]

but people say brutal's better

[narrow frost]

BM for mk6

check pins

[pastel pumice]

3*

Ah

[narrow frost]

3 sunder

6 BM

[pastel pumice]

I ws looking at the wrong one

Yeah I want to use mk6

[wanton dawn]

Rofl, my build was terrible

[pastel pumice]

BM it is

[austere pine]

and this is so much better anyway

dead space 3 isaac clarke ahh

[pastel pumice]

Yeah... Dead Space 3 was totallyyyyy the first thing I thought when I saw that too.

https://tenor.com/view/sub-zero-gif-23091681

[austere pine]

sure

i'm a huge dead space fan

[pastel pumice]

what gun do people run with psword

surely not the plasma

[wanton dawn]

any gun

[austere pine]

plasma

literally anything works well

i used to do revolver because i hated plasma but plasma is the way also

ciag

[pastel pumice]

yeah, just want to hear what other people prefer

[wanton dawn]

You can run literally anything with psword

[austere pine]

infantry las

recons nowadays

[pastel pumice]

then i'd have to put a point in shocktrooper

[void dragon]

Kuai Liang is that you? (Or the other brother, lost track of who is who long ago)

[pastel pumice]

Hmmmm...

boltgun it is

[austere pine]

i despise how clunky it is but it's fine

[pastel pumice]

very true

Shredder Autopistol

[austere pine]

despite the hate, it's said to not be too terrible at specific things

[wanton dawn]

Shredder is just meh

[pastel pumice]

yeah i personally hated it when i was mastering it

[austere pine]

i'll try it for sure

think zealot could make better use of it?

[pastel pumice]

perhaps

[hollow ibex]

it's just a waste of ammo either way

[austere pine]

peep the build

[hollow ibex]

what weapon you running?

[tall torrent]

No, just how gold toughness works

[silver yoke]

You as the wise vet you are, can you ever think of a situation where in a 10/10 team Infiltrate is a better choice?
or in a shit team
during high diff/havoc

[wanton dawn]

You are doing a speedrun with invis zealot and vet

[tall torrent]

I think the 2 point tax for infiltrate is not worth even if the abilities were equal in value

[austere pine]

the shredder

realistically i can see a world where the gun is good. it's fun, reloads fast, suppresses well and moves fast

[hearty panther]

i agree

[austere pine]

but the problem is the immensely low damage, shit accuracy, shit ammo (feels like ciag's ammo reserve was swapped with this the autopistol's)

[hearty panther]

i like that it dummies maniac armor types but i dislike that it only really does that

could at least be a universal anti-rager stick by not having comically poor flak damage output

[austere pine]

it requires that you have a melee weapon that does picks, anti-armor, long range picks, bosses

[umbral parrot]

Cool factor. Why else would I use it?

[hearty panther]

granted their bodies are carapace now so idk

[austere pine]

carapace now

yeah

head is still flak so that's fun

[silver yoke]

Not worth it in the case of Rashad Bistol?
or in general?

[tall torrent]

In general, tbh

[silver yoke]

well what do we lose

[tall torrent]

2 talent points

[pastel pumice]

Psword is so fun on Auric

[austere pine]

Psword is so fun on Auric

[pastel pumice]

A nice change of pace

Since I've been maining DS

[serene bough]

Man

Whats the reason people keep disconnecting/leaving havoc games?

[tall torrent]

Bad connection, very possibly

Or they’re just bad and want to leave

[serene bough]

It happens so often

Saddening

[tough talon]

So, after maining zealot for the most part I started playing vet a bit, I have no idea how should I make my build

I got Recon lasgun rn cuz I find it pretty fun, what kinda build I should run with that?

RN I got this

[tall torrent]

Build crit chance and take shock trooper

[umbral parrot]

Curse them out!

[serene bough]

Id rather not

Would just like my armor pls

[umbral parrot]

I know it's a bit late and random. But don't Bolt Pistol benefit from the extra explosion power?

[austere pine]

the second i run a cheesy shit build i get teams that can't stand on their own

[umbral parrot]

Going to try this out regardless! ! !

The new cosmetic fits perfect as a Grenadier skin.

[austere pine]

"new"

but yeah

i had it for a sort of close range striker setup

with a shotgun

[umbral parrot]

Not exactly new, but 100% Grenade spammer skin.

[umbral parrot]

WOAH NOW I SEE WHY YOU USE UNCANNY STRIKE!~!@~!#

That's stupidly crazy!

[tough talon]

So which is the best lasgun mark? Is it up to preference or is there actually some winner here, from my testing they all had same DPS

[gilded wraith]

What's a good vet melee weapon with just Reciprocity and Desperado?

[vestal cloak]

best blessings on the Boltgun?

[vestal cloak]

I prefer XII, and many others too, as far as I know

[gilded wraith]

Mk 14 has cleave, Mk 12 has high rof, Mk 6c has best ammo efficiency (havoc)

So 12 or 14 for general, 6c for havoc

[left patrol]

what are your preferred anti-horde melees, chat? especially for 21st

[gilded wraith]

If you can go to trench fighter, rashad is a beast.

[vestal cloak]

what are the best blessings for the Boltgun?

[gilded wraith]

Checked the guide in the pinned contents, it will have the best answer for blessings.

[left patrol]

elaborate, please?

is that a perk?

[gilded wraith]

It's a talent in the bottom right vet tree.

[vestal cloak]

there's like 30 pinned comments, which is it?

[left patrol]

aaahh i see thank you

[gilded wraith]

Odd, it's the first one that comes up for me. It's a google drive link titled Veteran Guide.

[atomic wyvern]

Hey how do i saint my guns

i want me sommadat dopamine inducing red stuff 🤤

[queen finch]

so on my combat axe i am running brutal momentum, but i have a hard time what to take as the second blessing?

[umbral parrot]

MAN Grenades are so good, WTF?!

Now i feel like a goof ball

[silver yoke]

Goodbye infiltrate and krak grenades

you will be missed

[wooden moat]

always have been

[umbral parrot]

Yea, i'm a smoke grenade user. My score comes from constant melee and Elite sniping.

[silver yoke]

@tall torrent WHy born leader????
i heard its kinda bad

[little lion]

What melee weapon do you guys enjoy the most?

[silver yoke]

rashad

[wooden moat]

for vet, chainsword

[silver yoke]

but still
for the emperor seems like a better pick wouldnt it be?

[wooden moat]

overall, luv me shield

[tame lodge]

Headtaker

[silver yoke]

Are there any reasonable alternatives to
Born Leader and Demolition Team

[queen finch]

ty!

[little lion]

Is that the best one or just the one u enjoy the most?

Oops I didn’t reply

[radiant chasm]

yea it was good

for 12 patches

and it became infamous for being a death hose

but that was really only cause pinning fire scaled up to 100%

[silver yoke]

im following this and i swear i have one extra talent point

where is the last talent point

i count 29

where is 30

anyone help

wait is it in superiority complex

i think i missed superiority complex

I really would like to replace Demolitions specialist...i just dont like the sound of it....

i mean demolition team

fuck

[gilded wraith]

Demo team really doesn't come into its own until maelstrom and late havoc.

Might be worthwhile in high intensity shock troop as well.

[silver yoke]

I mean at those difficulties how does it perform?

[gilded wraith]

Amazing at upper difficulties.

Pairs best with frag grenades.

[austere pine]

havoc 20

[sturdy karma]

Great CC and you will rack up a hell of a lot of bleed damage

[silver yoke]

OH SHIT I HAVE THE PERFECT COMBAT AXE

i just noticed

80 80 80 60 80

Mobility dump stat

PERFECT BOLT PISTOL first try lets go

gambling

[hollow ibex]

Good in normal auric too

Doesn’t have to be maelstrom

[vernal trench]

12 deaths on 20 wtf

[silver yoke]

Why is Collateral the dump stat on the Bistol?

[hollow ibex]

prob doesn't do anything

and we're not using blessings that benefit from it

[silver yoke]

collateral affects
Stagger impact and suppresoin

and we dont use anything stagger related

so....

some of the meta stuff does feel weird, like demolition team.
or spamming frags.
Something im not used to.
but i suppose i can try

I suppose the reason I don't like Demolition Team is that it's "not always" helpful

theoretically it could proc 0 times a mission

[narrow frost]

90% of gamblers stop before they hit it big

[silver yoke]

thats why i only play Blackjack
At least it has good odds

still bad

but better than everything else

[umbral parrot]

Yo

Any good Chain Axe builds?

[tough tiger]

Play zealot for that

[umbral parrot]

Yea right!

[narrow frost]

more like left

[umbral parrot]

Still. Something feels off.

[broken trellis]

when a weapon shows as like 70/80 on a stat, is that whats fixed be empowering it?

[hollow ibex]

doesn't in practice, and we love gambling

you should take twin nades

[gilded wraith]

I'm honestly considering it with the enemy density on havoc.

Wish they'd bump the percentage a bit.

[north lotus]

Hey I had a question about my helbore but it won't let me post a photo of it 🤔

[tough tiger]

I'd just take slaughterer and headtaker lol

Thunderous isnt worth it

[north lotus]

My main question is it fair to have charging rate as a dump stat of 60% to have everything else at 80% while having weight of fire 🤔

[vital wren]

You want Stability as your dump stat on Helbore. Charge Rate definitely not.

[hollow ibex]

i ran this build for a while

it's pretty funny

sucks at horde clear though

[umbral parrot]

I noticed.

Really nice on bleeding monsters.

Thankfully i have 3 3 3 Stamina. I block a lot more often than i do with my Power Sword.

Does not work with Infiltrate either! It's annoying

[remote sonnet]

I saw a vet in 20s Havoc running with wounds curio x2, ES and VAG... refuse to melee. Are they just expecting to get carried?

[sleek garden]

probably

[silver yoke]

So what Curios are we runnning on veteran?
Im going with the
Health
Health
Toughness

but im no so sure about the perks

i will admit its kinda sucky when the fight ends in an assasination when it doesnt even get to the second peak of the song

[fickle narwhal]

totally my man know what i'm talking about

[austere pine]

me and a zealot against the whole world

we weren't a 2-stack. it was a full match

[fickle narwhal]

THAT SONG IS EPIC

[austere pine]

one zealot didn't know that using the mk2 eviscerator meant that you don't spam lights but that rather you do heavy 1 light 1 repeatedly

and had a flamer as a ranged weapon if that wasn't enough

[fickle narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE8jojIIHbk i would say that the moment you realized darktide is awesome is on the first assesination mission

[austere pine]

and another thought that rushing in a sniper gauntlet while the squad had no abilities and no ammo was a good idea

[silver yoke]

i liked it beforehand.
An assasination mission did make me realize this game can be strangeley beaitufl at times

[austere pine]

i actually got the game because i found a tiktok video which showed a zealot blasting relic at a horde while disposal unit was playing

nearly cried at the beauty

[fickle narwhal]

Disposal Unit seems composed by the Emperor itself

[tall torrent]

It’s better than FTE most of the time (if using VoC) and KTHD is weapon dependent

[tall torrent]

Demo team is one of the best talents in the game for higher difficulties

[austere pine]

specifically because there's so many specialists and elites that it becomes more efficient than stockpile

[umbral parrot]

Seen this video when the game first came out. BADASS

[silver yoke]

@tall torrent NEW UPDATED BUILD
but all I ask...would it be okay to run Kraks instead at higher diffs?
or is Frag just the best
What would i even do with the extra point
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9dca369d-2bbe-43e8-b0ad-a92b72816964#google_vignette

[tawny badger]

too bad nowadays you don’t even hear the music for that long

[umbral parrot]

^

[silver yoke]

Did i do it right this time?

And also I still am not sure what would be optimal curio setup

[tawny badger]

thammer mains when traitor captain shield breaks

[tall torrent]

Frags are best
Krak is ok for their purpose

[umbral parrot]

They should make it where the Boss sits back as he sends like 30 Ragers at you....

Those 30 ragers literally only come out when he dies lol.

[silver yoke]

Are Frags good against monsters???

[tawny badger]

deadass why are they so late 😭

[umbral parrot]

I KNOW HUH!? I'm glad i ain't the only one who realized that.

[tawny badger]

not particularly

[fickle narwhal]

Yeah man at this point Disposal Unit it's like the most iconic song of warhammer 40k

[umbral parrot]

SOOOOOOOO

[tawny badger]

they can stagger monsters in most cases though but like

[tall torrent]

No

[tawny badger]

Kraks lmao

[umbral parrot]

I like Chain Axe.... but i'm sticking to Power Sword.

158k against the boss is really cool. But Chainsword is better. The bleed on the Chain Axe is fine but with Infiltrate, but it turns off when you go stealth. WHY FATSHORK!?

[umbral parrot]

3 3 3 Stamina.

Revive Speed

Combat Ability

Stamina Regen.

[silver yoke]

is this bait?

[umbral parrot]

Want to Q up with me then?

[tawny badger]

they call me 007

• 0 damage done to varlets
• 0 minion support
• 7 second lifetime

[umbral parrot]

LOL

[tall torrent]

Toughness, sprint efficiency, health, gunner resist, sniper resist, extra dockets

[umbral parrot]

Extra dockets!?

[tawny badger]

extra dockets is crazy

[tall torrent]

Yea why not

[umbral parrot]

Cus we're already rich~! x3

They're paying us in nothing!

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-we-will-smith-theres-no-we-shocked-gif-17214689

[umbral parrot]

x3

[silver yoke]

what do you use personally?

I run

Health Health Toughness

Sprint Sprint Sprint
Gunner Gunner
Sniper
Tough Tough Tough

[tall torrent]

Health + toughness
Last one either health or toughness

[umbral parrot]

Seriously. It's my go too. Can go up to 50% revive speed with Leave No One Behind, Stamina Regen to regen mid fight, and works really well with Stamina Regen Delay since you take a big gulp of air before dodging, and Combat Ability Regen for more Aggression.

[tall torrent]

I’m switching over to 2 toughness 1 health cuz of havoc

[silver yoke]

hmmm

what about perks?

[tall torrent]

I just told u

[umbral parrot]

Man.... I love my build!

It really makes me happy that no one does what i do~! >:3

OH Tried Dueling Sword for the first time earlier today. It's so stupidly strong, it's funny!

Pop-Pop, dead!

I swear tho! I only wanted to try Uncanny strike + Shredders.

[tall torrent]

This works

[umbral parrot]

I think the hardest thing about HAVOC is Shotgunners tho. Over Gunners.

Like, my Plasma Gun cannot shoot fast enough. It's almost tempting to just use a revolver just only for them.

ALSO, @tall torrent Thanks for the Unnarmored and Flak Bonus.

I hate to admit it, but this is doing me wonders lol.

LIKE, it actually is JUST enough!

[sleek garden]

i take a lasgun with ghost

they cant kill me if i shoot one in the head

[umbral parrot]

My issue is that I can't aim. lol

[tall torrent]

Revolver is dead in havoc lol

[umbral parrot]

Really? Lol

Damn. Have not tried it. But Plasma needs to shoot faster!

[tall torrent]

Nah

[sleek garden]

i don't believe t hat

[tall torrent]

A 5-round capacity gun that takes at least 2 shots vs every single elite enemy and eats arguably more ammo than plasma

[sleek garden]

i guess i always used mine point blank as a hand cannon maybe that works better on zealot

[tall torrent]

Not rly worth for zealot either, flamer is just much higher value

[silver yoke]

why two toughness?
How much total health do youhave

[tall torrent]

Because that prevents 1 hit deaths from overheads in havoc

[umbral parrot]

Really!?

[tall torrent]

2x 17% toughness + 3x 5% toughness + 50 gold toughness

From what I heard

Prevents one hit deaths from overheads

If your base toughness is too low you can still die

Haven’t been able to fully test & verify

[sleek garden]

i need to test the revolver in havoc now

i feel like the damage should still be enough with stuff like marksmans focus exec stance precision shots etc

[tall torrent]

Probably
But why would u play exe stance revolver in havoc lol

[sleek garden]

idk

i like executors stance too much

i think the power sword is unusable without voice of command though

[tall torrent]

This is like the “build survivability” mode lol

[sleek garden]

i made it in 40 with an infantry lasgun and executors stance and a plain shovel

i guess if youre teammates are good anything works

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasgun is actually fine

[sleek garden]

the only time ive ever seen an ogryn shield pusher get value

[tall torrent]

Outside of pus hardened

[sleek garden]

even with pus hardened i can one shot a pus scab shooter and two three for gunners

with either a crit or high marksmans focus stacks

[hearty panther]

vent purge havoc is the fucken worst lmao

[north lotus]

Well dam thank you for the info I'm my mistake

[umbral parrot]

Can't be worse than Tox gas

Buff Infiltrate. VoC is so much better! Lol

[wooden moat]

nah nerf ogryn

[silver yoke]

rework the tree more like

[wooden moat]

I still feel like everyone other tree should have little boosts for the blitz like psyker

[high mulch]

Care to share the build? 👏🏽

[sleek garden]

sure but I need to turn the game back on

[high mulch]

Aww, would you do that for me?😍 I need the whole damn thibg cus im getting tired of sht team mates doing no croud control, i need the blessings and the other thingy for both weapons, all curios and your talen tree😅

[umbral parrot]

That's the Ogryn that needs it

[high mulch]

Ey, some level 35-40 havocs wanna go for a run? Im casually at 28 but have to wait until the week🤦🏽‍♂️

[sleek garden]

It's not a crowd control class, it's about dealing with shooters and specialists and some elites from a distance before they become a problem

It does have frags though

[high mulch]

Oh yeah i like that👏🏽

[slow spade]

Man fucking dogs know the exact moment to 180 😔

[sullen jackal]

veteran crowd control is death

the hardest CC of all

[high mulch]

ooff, well im trying to find someone who can host a 40 havoc///

[topaz hollow]

combat ability is really good

[wooden moat]

tbf its still very little with each one

[topaz hollow]

combat ability maxing with shout is ver good

have a stim on top of that and its 2 shoutrs back to back and a last one

[hollow ibex]

yes

[topaz hollow]

ODing on toughness

[hollow ibex]

aside from stam regen

[umbral parrot]

PHEW

Finished HAVOC 40

[wooden moat]

oh you lucky karker

[vernal trench]

Lmao thats wild

For a new player thats pretty good doing 20

[umbral parrot]

See! 3 3 3 Stamina does work! x3

[wooden moat]

does 20 20 20 toughness also work?

[umbral parrot]

I'm sure it does!

Better to have 21 21 21 tho~?

[wooden moat]

I have 2 20’s so it’s more convenient

[vernal trench]

21 toughness?

U mean 17?

[umbral parrot]

No

I love Darktide! ❤️

So fricking much!

[tough tiger]

3 stam curios to block the entire horde

[wooden moat]

I wish prison was real

[serene bough]

Gj

[umbral parrot]

Was fun!

HAVOC is the best thing ever

[wooden moat]

would like more modifiers though

only thing I run into is js pox gas and more moebian 6th troops

[hearty panther]

yea disappointed by the lack of variety

easy to add more modifiers but these ones lost their idk mystique? prett quickly

[severe gale]

novelty

is the word ur looking

for

[hearty panther]

yea thats it

[umbral parrot]

Nice

I mean, i think the less ammo/toughness/HP was a nice touch

[hearty panther]

corruption on hits, big fan

really just the lack of modifiers that's meh

[wooden moat]

ngl I’d totally want the monstrosity modifier in this

[umbral parrot]

That'd be crazy!

[serene bough]

Once I get the penances I'll probably avoid havoc until they add more content

Im not really a fan of havoc anymore

[orchid hemlock]

They will add more modifyers hopefully

Fading light can't be the only one forever

[crude fiber]

What, tired of using dueling sword only lol. 20s aren't so bad, let's me use a chainax if I lock in

[serene bough]

Inflated hp pools and damage reduction modifiers makes havoc feel much slower

[pastel pumice]

Weekly reset?

[serene bough]

[pure geode]

Just started the other day, got my vet to 15 and have the Spearhead boltgun which I'm loving. But even changing weapons every other level the rounds are starting to feel the same. Curious how much flexability the class has at max level

[half lintel]

there is definitely more flexibity as you level up due to just having more perk points

however you should probably try to push higher difficulties if you feel like the rounds are bleeding into each other

the different weapons also help to mix things up and change playstyle

[pure geode]

Yeah pushing difficulty is probably a good bet. Playing the quickplay and if people pick up grimoires I feel like it makes the rounds a 60% chance of failure with my randoms. So been a little hesitant to bump it up. But only playing on II

[half lintel]

most groups as you push on might grab one grimoire vs 2 which helps also as you push difficulty, you play with better people

just watch out for heresy (IV) it seems to be the place where a lot of selfish players seem to get stuck

[pure geode]

sounds good thanks

[hollow ibex]

vet definitely has the most build variety of any class

there's a lot of stupid but fun builds you can squeeze out of the tree

i never have enough slots, even with mods

[pure geode]

stupid but fun sounds great

[steady wolf]

Reminds me a lot of Axton/Zane from Borderlands

Gun dude fr

Speaking of, thoughts on giving him a literal baseball cap?

[ocean shell]

I was trying to do the auric storm survivor penance earlier and to no avail

I got to 2/5 and then failed, back to 2/5 then failed again

Then I just gave up

[wooden moat]

so fuck the number two?

[ocean shell]

What?

[narrow frost]

please do not the number 2

[wooden moat]

dude not that way

[tame lodge]

Aw

[wooden moat]

the fuck you mean “Aw”

[tame lodge]

[remote sonnet]

What kind of build do you run?

[ocean shell]

Lmao

[remote sonnet]

No, I ask so I can help you out.

Not to judge you

[ocean shell]

No ik I was laughing at the convo above you

[remote sonnet]

Oh, lol

[ocean shell]

Yeah gimme a sec

[wooden moat]

why is everyone a sex addict in this server

[ocean shell]

It’s just this chat

The vet chat is infamous for it

[remote sonnet]

Brother, you are on the internet.

[ocean shell]

Also that

[ocean shell]

Plasma gun, duelling sword, VoC, shredder frags, demolition team and stockpile, survivalist, and focus target

[wooden moat]

how do you fuck a number

[grand perch]

I use that cap on my officer build. Let's them know I'm just a chill dude that's okay with going to a baseball game with his subordinates

[wooden moat]

do I just shove the tip of 2 into my urethra or smth

[ocean shell]

Alright man

Gross

[remote sonnet]

I see, it is a little difficult to help you because it is frontline, independent type build.

[wooden moat]

well at least it’d be easier for you

[remote sonnet]

I mean, you have to be good on your own to not get downed/captured.

[ocean shell]

What?

[ocean shell]

True, I usually am but I always stick with the team, I think mainly some of my teammates weren’t on point

[wooden moat]

ok maybe i should stfu lol

[ocean shell]

I’m just confused

[remote sonnet]

Or because they don't care as they want to solo fight as well.

[ocean shell]

Gotcha

I don’t think solo fighting is a good idea in auric maelstroms

[remote sonnet]

I did my ASS solo the whole way through. It is rarely ever smooth.

[severe gale]

if you mean just fighting alone while ur team is busy

not really

[ocean shell]

We did fine for a few but the game director always decided “fuck you”

Man I’m just gonna keep trying over Christmas break for this title

I want a fancy title already lmao

Plus it’d really help with penance score

[remote sonnet]

The few times I got a smooth run is when I run a support type build, which is not great on the scoreboard mod, and people don't really know what you have done..

[ocean shell]

What would you suggest for a more support oriented build?

[wooden moat]

then again one thing most people often forget about is trying to res netted people or stagger dogs off teammate in the middle of tense swarms

[severe gale]

VOC, tactical awareness, spam voc off cooldown in 90% of situations

win

take something to snipe specials

for CDR

[tall torrent]

This is actually a fine build if you actually had breakpoints for plasm

[severe gale]

plasm

[tall torrent]

But duelling sword is gonna lack horde clear no matter what

[ocean shell]

Gotcha, vigilant autogun?

[severe gale]

no

VAG is pretty bad unfortunately

[ocean shell]

Heard someone earlier say it was great

[severe gale]

zarona revolver, bolter, infantry las

[severe gale]

was it galeophobia

[narrow frost]

laz pistol my beloved

[severe gale]

(infantry las is meh though)

or las pistol

yah

[ocean shell]

Las pistol is good?

[narrow frost]

op

[severe gale]

plasma gun is good too

[ocean shell]

I thought it was ass

[severe gale]

it’s amazing

[ocean shell]

Heavy or normal?

[tall torrent]

There’s only heavy laspistol

[narrow frost]

if you want to body shot 2, head shot with 10

thats how i see it

[ocean shell]

I meant between the two variants

[severe gale]

mk2 is “better” due to higher DPS, but i prefer the mk10 due to not having to click as much

[ocean shell]

I’m not a good at aiming so

[severe gale]

i shouldn’t have put better in quotes

mk2 is just better

in almost all situations

[steady wolf]

full auto mod in question

[severe gale]

never

[steady wolf]

but it's required

[severe gale]

nuh uh

[tall torrent]

Nah, mk2 is just better

[ocean shell]

I’ll get a las pistol, this, and get back to trying for Auric Storm Survivor tomorrow

[narrow frost]

with range damage nodes doesnt the mk 10 1 tap all but armor?

I only use 2

I used 10 once for havoc

[ocean shell]

What do I want on the las pistol and what is tactical awareness?

[remote sonnet]

There is Close Order Drill and Born Leader. It doesn't sound great for you, because it is not. However, its buff the whole team, and if you play around coherency, it is quite strong.

[narrow frost]

headshot crit

[severe gale]

tactical awareness is a node in the center bottom tree

[narrow frost]

Cooldown reduction on special skill

[ocean shell]

Gotcha, oh that one

[severe gale]

6s cooldown removed on special kill

yah

it’s extremely OP

[remote sonnet]

Though, you become a quiet hero, because no one knows that you buff them.

[severe gale]

basically always take it

[ocean shell]

Pretty sure I have it

[tall torrent]

lol what 1 taps
It doesn’t 1 tap most things without crits

It’s like 1143 damage on scab gunner headshot

[narrow frost]

I see the mark ten only used with deadshot

[tall torrent]

You can 1 tap both shotgunners without crits if you take unarmored

[ocean shell]

What blessings and perks do I want on the las pistol?

[severe gale]

ghost, desperado, dumdum

[ocean shell]

What do those do?

[severe gale]

idk about perks

[severe gale]

ghost is immunity to ranged fire on weakspot hit

desperado is 20% crit chance on dodge

[ocean shell]

Oh right that

[severe gale]

dumdum is 20% close range damage on repeated hit

[ocean shell]

Sounds good, thanks

[severe gale]

i think it’s 20

might be 25

[tall torrent]

up to 30%

[severe gale]

ohg

close enough

[ocean shell]

Any tips for just trying for auric storm survivor in general?

[severe gale]

don’t die

it’s really easy with a 4stack

or even just a duo

[ocean shell]

That went horribly wrong a few times in a row ngl

[severe gale]

2 competent teammates trivialize the game

[remote sonnet]

If you run solo, mostly read the description of the modifier, then get tweak your build accordingly.

[tall torrent]

U can just wait for easier maelstrom modifiers in rotation lol

[ocean shell]

I think I was with some less than competent people

[severe gale]

competent is relative

[ocean shell]

True but that’s boring

[severe gale]

i have a skewed perception of player skill

[ocean shell]

I do my best but I know I’m not a god at the game

[remote sonnet]

I mean, if you know that, you shouldn't except much from other.

[severe gale]

if you can go an auric maelstrom without dying once consistently, then it’s a matter of luck with pubs and skill of not dying

[tall torrent]

Sure u can do C-I-VI / I-II-V-E-G for the penance, that’s up to u

[severe gale]

3veg is so much fun

scab only my beloved

[narrow frost]

A-I-II

[severe gale]

not scab only

booriiinggg

[ocean shell]

What’re those? I don’t have them all memorised

[severe gale]

fighting dregs are annoying

[severe gale]

civi is scab only mostly melee

[tall torrent]

C-I-VI is scab only, mostly melee, no ammo

[ocean shell]

Oh that

[severe gale]

3veg is scab only monstrous specials blessing of nurgle

enhanced blitz

[quiet valley]

its monstrous lights out

[remote sonnet]

There is so much people can carry you, even in a pre-made team.

[ocean shell]

What’s A-I-II?

[severe gale]

i’ve carried some reaaaallllyyy bad people before though

[narrow frost]

@ocean shell

[umbral scaffold]

Monstrous be eatin' bunches of legs there, lol

[severe gale]

lights out monstrous specials

[ocean shell]

Oh gotcha

Mb

[steady wolf]

CDXX is the most dangerous one

[ocean shell]

My las pistol is only at mastery 4 so I’ll buy a few to sacrifice to hadron first

[severe gale]

the one maelstrom i despise is waves of mutants waves of dogs

[remote sonnet]

But if they keep head first into a fight and die, there is no helping for ASS unless they play better.

[severe gale]

true

[severe gale]

ur upgrading them only to green, right?

it’s most resource efficient

[quiet valley]

What is a CDXX

[ocean shell]

Probably

[severe gale]

upgrade them only to green (once), don’t empower them

[ocean shell]

Gotcha

[severe gale]

make sure it’s weapons of the same family

[ocean shell]

Only empower the one I plan on using right?

[severe gale]

yes

[ocean shell]

Ye ik

[severe gale]

make sure it’s got a good dump stat

[ocean shell]

What’s usually the best time people are most active for EST?

[severe gale]

sorry i don’t wanna sound like i think ur stupid ive just seen a lot of people make small mistakes lmfao

[severe gale]

usually around 5ish methinks

[ocean shell]

All good

Gotcha

Unfortunately I’ve a dinner with my great grandad around 6 but

[severe gale]

i’ll be on tomorrow probably

[ocean shell]

Hopefully I can find some good people

[severe gale]

mostly all day

if u wanna ping me at some point

i can help

i can get a friend on too

[umbral scaffold]

Let great grand dad play darktidez too

[ocean shell]

He’s 92

[severe gale]

( @visual remnant )

[ocean shell]

Oh sweet, thanks! I’ll try and remember

[wooden moat]

his ww2 instincts will kick in once he picks up the controller

[ocean shell]

Lmao

[severe gale]

swag

[ocean shell]

Don’t think he knows how a keyboard works

[severe gale]

he’ll figure it out

[ocean shell]

I’ll probably be on at around 8pm est tomorrow

[wooden moat]

I was about to make another joke ontop of that but my commissar advised against it

[severe gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[ocean shell]

Currently I’m at 0/5 for the penance so I’m back at square 1

[severe gale]

back when i was getting it, i lost my 4/5 streak 3 times in a row

[ocean shell]

Oh god

[severe gale]

once due to a poxburster train

once to getting slapped off a cliff by a burgle

[ocean shell]

Oh those things

[severe gale]

and once due to

idek

i don’t remember

[ocean shell]

Gotcha

[wooden moat]

shit basically juggles you

[severe gale]

i hate burgles

stupid enemy

[remote sonnet]

I lost my streak 3 times on the 1st section of the Foundryflex map.

[severe gale]

anti melee enemy in my melee game

[ocean shell]

Worst monstrosity

[wooden moat]

what is burgle agane?

[severe gale]

beast of nurgle

the slug

[wooden moat]

o yeah that

[wanton dawn]

Hard to talk about this achievemeny seriously with the accronym in mind

[wooden moat]

fuck that thing

can’t tell if I hate that or CS more since they knock the hell outta you

[wanton dawn]

BoN are more volatile

[tall torrent]

Chaos spawn not hard

[remote sonnet]

Clandestium Gloriana is one of the worst map to play when you are trying to get ASS.

[wanton dawn]

Archivum is easiest

[unreal nova]

Wipe after first 3 mins due to DH into Pogryn? You better believe it.

[wanton dawn]

Ppl often lack boss dmg

[unreal nova]

Is just too much knockback.

You know the first part of Gloriana.

[wanton dawn]

You are authorized to skip the hardest mod and map

Green boss and no ammo can be quite hard on random

Poxgas too

[unreal nova]

Green boss is one thing, fartgas is another.

[wanton dawn]

Fartgas forces ppl to move ahead so obviously it is hard if you have lootrat

Thankfully since gear update i've seen less and less people complaining about ppl not taking mats

Havoc not having much is helping ig

[tall torrent]

Havoc doesn’t spawn crafting materials at all

[wanton dawn]

Which was the best decision

[unreal nova]

Depends. If you get stuck due to bad timing. Not much you can do since it takes forever to clear and you need like 2 chorus zealots to ignore it.

On top of the fact it blinds you.

[wanton dawn]

At some point part of the game is to either avoid those situation, have tool to counter them or be able to deal with it with limited resources

Case in point: shout, frags for spacing

[visual remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/thistle-dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-gif-12961665191755880889

[wanton dawn]

And avoiding shoot out in the open

Why the dungeon master backpack though

[unreal nova]

But the situation is the timer based crossing of fartgas spewing butts.

[wanton dawn]

I could write "move out", but I should probably add that i already mentioned the spacing tool above

Oh well, i dont enjoy poxgas cuz it confuses random and often cut the flow of the game rather than being a threat

[unreal nova]

Thing is, spacing doesn't matter if you can't cross it. It's disablers that are really an issue if you are left alone waiting it out.

Unless the split is 2/2.

[light ridge]

What's the consensus on the shock maul? Good or bad? Which Blessings are good?

[wanton dawn]

Its mid. Which is not great in a world where ps can be put on any build

[unreal nova]

And don't say learn to dodge. I get hit by dogs when miles away from then.

[wanton dawn]

Dont put word in mah mouth

[unreal nova]

They could land 2m away and then I'm suddenly under said dog.

Is more in general. Tired of ppl going get good seriously.

[wanton dawn]

Dodging dog has always been unreliable. Push and push attack are favored

[unreal nova]

Is also unreliable for me.

I could push pox and dogs but still get pounced on or boomed.

[calm shard]

I've only ever had dodging dogs be unreliable if I'm forced to dodge last second for some reason

[unreal nova]

Even multiple pushes sometimes fail.

[wanton dawn]

I play ps and bolter/plasma. Dodge distance is crap

[unreal nova]

I play lighter weapons.

[calm shard]

hey I play ps and helbore

[unreal nova]

I think the heaviest is the force swords.

[calm shard]

no way

[wanton dawn]

Well, you are a dog whisperer then

[calm shard]

force swords got nerfed from infinite dodges to a measly 5

(highest base dodge count of any weapon tied with knife/ds)

[unreal nova]

I know, I have a doggo IRL and she loves jumping on me.

[vernal trench]

playing with randoms on auric maelstrom is crazy

[unreal nova]

Is more distance.

[vernal trench]

gets downed by a cursher on CIVI every 5 seconds lmfao

[wanton dawn]

I test my builds in mael queue

[vernal trench]

yea where else are u supposed to test them tho

[wanton dawn]

Ps bails me out. I need another melee

[calm shard]

I was also trying out heavy sword which was nice

fuck all damage against carapace but crunches hordes just as well without having to turn my sword back on every 3 swings

[unreal nova]

To be fair, I use knives and ds, so... and yes, I know the dodge distance of knives be hilariously long.

Does not help with doggos still, not even double side dodge.

[calm shard]

adjusted my gun vet build a bit

focus is very fun, but honestly the damage boost is so comically excessive for everything but crushers and reapers that I'm not sure if it's worth it

[tall torrent]

Most melee weapons are 5 dodges

[calm shard]

most are 4 if you're dumping mobility like you should

[broken spade]

dumping mobility isn't even relevant here. Most weapons only lose a dodge at 50%

I don't think there are any that have a dodge breakpoint above that

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-dog-cat-cat-tired-sad-cat-gif-26990805

Okay i'm very wrong, but in my defense

the majority of my playtime is on gun psyker where I get +1 effective dodge

[wanton dawn]

who would have though

[bitter turtle]

the only variation i know of is knife

you dont lose a dodge until a ridiculously low mobiltiy

like... 17 or something?

idk its not even relevant anymore after the crafting update

[pastel condor]

is there anyway to regen toughness on kill when using ranged weapons?

[wanton dawn]

Bottom right is unconditional

+5% per kill

So 5% per ranged kill

[dire olive]

Literally all three top-of-the-tree toughness talents

Exhilarating takedown, confirmed kill, out for blood

[wanton dawn]

Takedown is the less reliable imo

[dire olive]

Wasn't the question

But mostly yeah

I might take it with like a laspistol

[pastel yew]

what makes you say that?

it's less toughness per kill than confirmed kill but, it's against any target so you can always proc it

[wanton dawn]

Reliant on weakspot, doesnt apply to melee

[pastel yew]

the main downside of it is that you have to path through longshot which is a dead node

I'd say most toughness generation for most vet builds is gonna come from your ranged weapon though

you're just able to kill elites so much faster with it

also the guys asking about ranged weapons specifically

[wanton dawn]

So what ? I still think it is less reliable than the other which also proc on dot, bodyshot, etc

[pastel yew]

I mean you're entitled to think that I just dont agree

also I cant really think of instances where you wanna go for body shots outside of the mauler

I think in a vacuum its better than confirmed kill but... its not like you can take talents as you choose

needing to path through longshot which sucks basically makes it pointless

which means confirmed kill S tier

[wanton dawn]

If you put ck above et there is no argument though

[pastel yew]

only really in full context though honestly takedown is almost as strong as both close order drill and ck

it's literally 30% toughness damage reduction with infinite uptime, and more easily accessed and faster toughness generation than ck

it's just the node above it does nothing

and 5% health vs 1 stamina is an easy choice

[wanton dawn]

Its literally the most conditional of the 3

[pastel yew]

conditional on... getting headshots with your ranged weapon?

at least one every 8 seconds

thats not a condition thats basically regular play outside of some heavy melee focussed set ups

[wanton dawn]

Getting headshot kill with your ranged weapon for thoughness regen specifically

[pastel yew]

there are way more non elite enemies than elite ones, if ever you need really fast toughness this is the way to go

idk I don't think that's unlikely

though I Tend to play mostly ranged focussed builds

even my current hyper aggro melee build kills with ranged weapon enough to proc this effect

but thats weapon spec set up

also iirc if you have basically any pen on your weapon it giga refils you with one shot

[wanton dawn]

I found it to be close to garbage in any tense situation. A prototype win-more

And yeah, am entilted to my opinion on this one

[pastel yew]

there is basically never a point where you cant pull out your ranged weapon and headshot a poxwalker though

like if you're using a boltgun? maybe this it's terrible

but almost every other weapon this is free and extremely fast

though yeah I dont think I'm gonna convince you

both are good regardless

[hasty rain]

Any preferred ranged weapons for the ranged focus keystone?

I've been using the vigilant autogun or bolter but I'm wondering if the crit and other effects from staying still would work well on something like a plasma gun

[pastel yew]

which one? marksmans focus?

or focus target

[hasty rain]

Sorry I forget the name, bottom left, generates as stacks. Not the one in the bottom middle that marks stuff

[pastel yew]

ah I mean

yeah its fine for the plasma gun

its worse than focus target for that weapon but the upside is you dont have to spam ping

the downside is you dont hit one shot breakpoints on ragers which is

not a huge downside but it is worse than being able to

[hasty rain]

Yeah that's kinda rough

[pastel yew]

basically the only weapon I run marksmans focus for are the recon lasguns and the plasmagun

(because I dont like spam pinging)

someone said the other day that it is good for normal infantry lasgun breakpoints

for the 2b

variant

not tested it myself tho

[hasty rain]

Yeah I ping a lot but spam pinging everything is annoying.

I've used the lasguns and it's okay, but I had better experiences with the Bolter that will one-shot almost any specialist or gunner on auric with only a handful of stacks

Recon I didn't think of, but it makes sense considering the dps and the 'consume no ammo on lasgun weakpoint hits' exists just a little above the keystone

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean it's just a straight dps boost

same with all auto weapons but

thats the main one I use if ever

[hasty rain]

Yeah my main issue currently is on havoc, I really can't afford to stand still, so I usually don't get more than 6 stacks before I need to move again.

So I figured high damage, single shot weapons would be good to make use of that

[pastel yew]

you dont gotta stand still with marksmans focus really