veteran-class

[vital wren]

Lethal Proximity blessing also affects your grenades. Excellent with shredder frags

[silver yoke]

Oh really?

[hollow ibex]

yeah if you're running a grenadier build, bistol is the weapon of choice

[silver yoke]

i mean i got 3 krak gernades thats about it

[hollow ibex]

try one with shredders

[silver yoke]

i wont.

[hollow ibex]

and take every grenade talent you can + bistol

[hollow ibex]

why

shredders are the best

[silver yoke]

I love Krak

[hollow ibex]

you'll come around to frags one day

no self-respecting vet would ignore frags

[silver yoke]

I ain't ignoring frags. I'm simply giving Kraks some time to shine

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[tall torrent]

it sucks vs Maniac

[radiant chasm]

yea but you can just take maniac for that no? or does it need something else

[tall torrent]

with +25% maniac it's still like 4 headshots to kill a flamer

and it's basically not gonna matter against a dreg rager wave

[silver yoke]

Headshots?
Well im missing all of them 😎

[tall torrent]

it is really good vs flak though

high finesse
high crit chance
high flak ADM
has Ghost
fast sprint to fire
fast ADS move speed
no recoil
great hipfire

[silver yoke]

Hotel? Trivago

las pistol good then yes

[tall torrent]

use it for what it's good for and it's excellent

[vestal widget]

weirdly great unyielding damage

[tall torrent]

it's <1 ADM vs unyielding

just high crit finesse

[vestal widget]

huhh

[silver yoke]

I mean in terms of weapons how would we rank the Bolt Pistol

[tall torrent]

like

somewhere 7~8th best for veteran prob

[vestal widget]

functions as alt revolver with tradeoffs. i mostly use it in frag nade builds tbh for lethal prox but it's fun to fire

[silver yoke]

is that like a high 8th best or like a its mid/mediocre 8th best

[tall torrent]

going from best to worst it's prob somewhere like 7th~8th best

[silver yoke]

wow

out of what?

[tall torrent]

veteran has 30 guns I think? including variants

[silver yoke]

i mean i'll take it damn

how does Rashad rate out of all the melee vets has?

[vital wren]

I don't know the order of stuff at the top, but it's very high.

[heavy rover]

very good all-round weapon. Just be aware of the slow attack speed

[vital wren]

Yeah it eats some skill points to get it running properly well.

[silver yoke]

I think i got all the Caxe essentials

[heavy rover]

it's still usable even with the slower attack speed, just be conscious of your stamina as you do push attacks

[silver yoke]

Will an okay/decent Auric build work in Havoc or do i gotta change everything around

[vital wren]

Its my personal favorite melee on Vet

[heavy rover]

i mean I've mostly been running my auric build on havoc

[vital wren]

You'll be fine until the higher levels because Havoc 1-10 is more or less Malice with new modifiers, 11-20 is Heresy, etc. Just as the modifiers stack up later things get off with the math from Auric builds sometimes.

[silver yoke]

dooes running havoc mess up my auric storm survivor challenge?

[vital wren]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[silver yoke]

or running anything really

[heavy rover]

though I did make some changes to account for havoc 30+, but my talents basically remained the same

[tall torrent]

like top 3 for veteran

debatably best but that depends on what you want out of a melee weapon

[silver yoke]

Everything.

[tall torrent]

then yea it's best

[silver yoke]

yay!

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ?si=yBZUhnn9DafGAZt8

[silver yoke]

i saw earlier lol

[silver yoke]

So a few questions.

For Rashad how do I know which combo's are best for each enemy type?

When would I ever use the Rashad Special Attack?

And does the Bolt Pistol Push/Special Attack ever serve a purpose?

[hollow ibex]

rashad is braindead easy to use

lights for horde clear, heavies for single target (though the softer guys can just be handled with lights too)

push attack + light for ragers

i don't ever use the special attack

[upbeat mortar]

anyone know the dump stat for Plamsa Guns?

[silver yoke]

yeah what qualififes as softer

but really do the mighty Bistol and rashad have useless special attacks?
i refuse to believe it

[tall torrent]

Rashad doesn’t have a special attack

Heavy attack vs carapace & unyielding (mutants too if u want to)
Light attack vs everything else
Use push attack for staggering ragers and controlling horde

[silver yoke]

Having no Special attack is crazy 💀

[fickle narwhal]

Is there any viable build to play helbore laser at endgame?

I try some builds but seems weaker than automatic/plasma guns

[tall torrent]

You need to be very good at headshots

[chilly saddle]

For over a year I’ve been telling people I fought a boss in Darktide named phonetically “I’ve been jackin off”
No one believed me
Now 1000 hours later I found him again I present to you, the man, the myth, the legend:

[gleaming turtle]

Easiest way to get Adept Assassin done?

I got three other penances done in the time it's taken me to get 1/5th of the way on this one.

[chilly saddle]

Use a revolver with rending on crits and critical weak spot damage or whatever the other blessing is, chained weak spots,
And use weapon specialist and just swap every few melee kills to take out a gunner trapper or whatever in one shot
Put flak maniac and also take the right side tree and grab the 25% damage on weapon swap
Just takes a few melee kills in chaff to guarantee a crit when you swap to pistol and take the extra moment to make sure it’s a headshot each time

Also dip the far left of the bottom tree to get suppress immunity and 30% weak spot damage
You’ll have the penance done in a couple games and the build is pretty insane
Rare penance that has a top tier build attached to it

Do it for albin jackinoff

[gleaming turtle]

Thanks for the tips.

[vast moon]

anyone has a good cadian or infantry lasgun build around?

[vernal trench]

Executioner stance

[waxen monolith]

Any tips for speccing out the recon lasgun

[bitter turtle]

Havoc?

[tall torrent]

Knife + revolver

[tall torrent]

Veteran build for revolver is not flak + maniac

It’s elite/unarmored + maniac

[waxen monolith]

Havoc indeed

[vernal trench]

Just make sure u got tons of ammo and ur good

[tame lodge]

Not getting keystones

[wicked epoch]

is this worth it at all?

took off the shout res, it was fun while it lasted

[vernal trench]

Honestly get rid of leave no man behind

Unless u gotta rescue a ton

[wicked epoch]

yeah i shoulda known

this whole build had shout res and leave no man behind

because i wanted to be the commissar that res'd alot

my playstyle was the oppostie

it was me who needed the ambulance

[vernal trench]

Shout res seems so useless icl

[wicked epoch]

it was useful on the offchance you fought a DH

its too situational

[vernal trench]

Get suppression immunity it helps a ton

[vernal trench]

Man tf u fighting a dh for

[wicked epoch]

ask the dude who pissed it off

i just popped it and he was chill

DH thought he killed him

nah

shouted and he gucci

[vernal trench]

I think leave no man behind doesnt even work for rescues, trappers or falling off the map

[wicked epoch]

srs they gotta buff the shout res

[vernal trench]

Might be wrong

[wicked epoch]

the cooldown time is too

ass

same with radius

[vernal trench]

Randoms💀

[wicked epoch]

real

[vernal trench]

Just aggro the demonhost urself

So u make sure no one gets downed by him

[wicked epoch]

but how else will i shout res the poor bastard who pissed it off

thus making sure i actually get use out of shout res

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but you lose rez shout value

[vernal trench]

XD

That 50 toughness is way better

[wanton dawn]

But... you can take both

[vernal trench]

Not worth the extra point imo

Pub games can be so tough

[wanton dawn]

Rez shout should work on yourself so you can use it with plasma suicide build

Wound curios stock increasing in value

[vernal trench]

💀😭

Sometimes i see a dude with like 6 wounds and im just wondering wtf

[wanton dawn]

Well, zealot need that juice

[unreal nova]

If it's a zealot. Normal. If it's a Psyker, maybe grenade build for a penance.

[vernal trench]

Played with a zealot with 7 wounds today

[wanton dawn]

Then won't have self-rez shout though. Sadge

[vernal trench]

Bro had no fear of ever actually dying

[unreal nova]

I mean, knowing you have 7 wounds is a great cope. You never take any damage then.

Don't judge me.

[gleaming turtle]

Is Killshot Ready easiest to do with Recon and just standing still?

[wanton dawn]

The MF achievement ?

[vernal trench]

He stood in goop too much the first game and died lmfao

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah

[vernal trench]

What is that

[unreal nova]

Oh lul.

[wanton dawn]

I did it with ciag (dunno current name) cuz it actually has good finesse

[gleaming turtle]

I know what you mean, the tiny assault rifle.

[vernal trench]

Whats mf achievement

[gleaming turtle]

Marksman's Focus

[wanton dawn]

2500 kill at 10 stacks

[vernal trench]

Oh

Yea i never bothered with that one

[wanton dawn]

It is not that hard if you play autogun

Instead of trying smth stupid like a lasgun

[vernal trench]

Itd just i never use any of the keystones

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, well, I need the penances because I am trying to hit 5500.

Not a lot of wiggle room unless you do some stupid amounts of grinding.

Kinda gotta do the class ones.

[wanton dawn]

I dont wanna play other classes

[serene bough]

Still haven't finished psyker/zealot penances

[vernal trench]

Im just gonna get to 5500 by just playing regularly and 0 hunting

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, me neither, but here we are.

[wanton dawn]

I get enough reaction from ppl that use true lvl

[gleaming turtle]

I am actually disappointed by how low my Ogryn's true level is.

[vernal trench]

Whm

Wym

[unreal nova]

Big number gud.

[vernal trench]

Eh

[wanton dawn]

Nolife number

[vernal trench]

Ive seen some ass players at level 1000

[unreal nova]

Not that I know.

Lazy.

[serene bough]

Love my nolife number

I think its almost 1300

[vernal trench]

Lmfao i dont ecen have 200

And thats my main class

[serene bough]

Truelevel mod is unironically great content

Bigger number bigger dopamine

[vernal trench]

Some of the best players i played with dont even got 100 levels

[serene bough]

I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, sometimes I play like ass

When I have off days, I really do poorly in darktide

[wanton dawn]

We all have ass here

[serene bough]

I never used my ass title

Currently im using poxbreaker

[vernal trench]

Thats a lotta kills

[unreal nova]

I mean, it happens. Playing when tilted is probs also an issue.

[vernal trench]

Im at 15% there

[wanton dawn]

Poxbreaker is probably the grindiest out here

[vernal trench]

Yea

[serene bough]

Im fortunate enough to say i rarely get tilted from this game

[vernal trench]

Psyker grindin

[serene bough]

Only exception is where I get netted cross map that wasn't even shot at me

[vernal trench]

Idk how u get even remotely tilted at this game

This game for chillin

[wanton dawn]

Ppl walking over your trapped body

[unreal nova]

More, go in while tilted from IRL issues or other games.

[vernal trench]

Ill just be disappointed lmao

[serene bough]

Trappers are the cause of all tilting

That little chuckle fuck

[unreal nova]

Also that.

[vernal trench]

Lmao i saw a guy slowlt walk across my trapped ass and i was just laughing my ass of cuz that shits so dumb

Im sure he did it intentionally too

[wanton dawn]

Some ppl forgot to be funny

[vernal trench]

Bro just slowly walked across me and killed whatever is infront thats not even a threat

[serene bough]

I miss space dogs and when mutants used to Tokyo drift and grab people after taking really sharp turns

[vernal trench]

Lmfao when dogs are undodgeable

They pound in ur direction and ur cooked

[winter grove]

Hey guys

[vernal trench]

Disnt it take them a year to fix it

[winter grove]

What was the grenadier build again?

[serene bough]

My greatest experience was watching a newly level 30 ogryn in auric hold W +M1 with his stubber right into the demon host

Acknowledged it, pinged it, proceeded to mag dump

[vernal trench]

Any build with demo team i

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

[wanton dawn]

Standard middle build but you go out of your way to grab the +1 on the right ?

[vernal trench]

Thats wild

[vernal trench]

Na

Dont even grab that

[serene bough]

I tried so hard to save him but he died

[vernal trench]

Grab demo team

[serene bough]

[vernal trench]

Ur gonna be regenning grenades hard on havic

Spam that shit

[unreal nova]

Basically. Their hit boxes are just stupid big. On my screen, I dodged but game says nope, you are dogged.

[vernal trench]

R u talking about when the game launched

[wanton dawn]

Am not the one who created the "grenadier" build

[vernal trench]

Cuz u actually cant dodge at all for the hounds

No dodging no blocking no attacking

Lmfao

[unreal nova]

Nope, last night.

[wanton dawn]

I put it at the same level as the "commissar build"

[vernal trench]

Idk what build even that us

[unreal nova]

Double dodged to side, still got grabbed after a sec.

[vernal trench]

Had it pounce me when i blcoked

Liekly ping that got me tbh

[serene bough]

I wish we could grab dukanes coat

[unreal nova]

The dog landed next to me on my end even, just wat.

[vernal trench]

I blocked right before he touched me

[vernal trench]

Ping

[serene bough]

The commissar outfit they gave us from the premium shop is garbage

Hat is nice at least

[vernal trench]

i get some crazy ping on NA and its goofy

[vernal trench]

Tf is that show a pic

[unreal nova]

I guess, was 350+.

[unreal nova]

Was why I double dodged to compensate.

[wanton dawn]

Well, the question are "Am I committed enough to play the +1, ammo box and dual ?" If the answer is no then congrats, you are playing a standard build

[unreal nova]

I want her outfit, it makes me... errr... you know.

[wanton dawn]

Commissar is similar but you put "support" node instead

[vernal trench]

Tf ur vet so happy

[serene bough]

Is not my vet lols

[vernal trench]

Lmao

[serene bough]

You should steal it

[vernal trench]

Enforcer outfit is the sickest

[serene bough]

Im rocking the loyalist moebian 6th

A few more levels to grind out the 53rd armor

[vernal trench]

I pray it enver returns to the store so i can feel special having that outfit

[gleaming turtle]

Also, another thing, if I wanted to do the Infiltrate suppression penance, what nodes should I take for that ability?

I've never used it.

[serene bough]

But man im really getting tired of havoc

[vernal trench]

Is that the havoc ones

[serene bough]

Yeah

[vernal trench]

Lmao im at like 29/100 assisted

[unreal nova]

25 too hard if 20 was that much of a nightmare already.

[gleaming turtle]

Just grind low levels.

Well, you need the helmet, so yeah.

Anyway.

[serene bough]

Depends, most people take low profile but I take hunters resolve

[wanton dawn]

Dunno about infiltrate. This is the only vet stuff I cant wrap my head around

[vernal trench]

Thats the pssy way

Gotta do them all 40s

[serene bough]

If you want to spam it grab On Overwatch

[vernal trench]

Use it to solo shit in maelstroms

[wanton dawn]

I dont enjoy solo shit

[serene bough]

Im at 41/100

[unreal nova]

I'm a malice/heresy player. I don't even think I was useful when doing 20 other than smiting SURPRISE MF, stealth crusher pack.

[serene bough]

Oh you mean lvl

My bad

Ive completed a few 40s

[vernal trench]

Havoc 20?

[serene bough]

I just do 40 once per week for the chest

[gleaming turtle]

Should I use a knife or does it really not matter?

[vernal trench]

Tbh hardest part is not playing dogshit urself and if ur not doing that its finding a good enough team

[gleaming turtle]

I mean, I am just trying to get the penance.

I hate invisibility shit.

[unreal nova]

Yeah. We rolled lights out ontop of everything else.

[vernal trench]

lmao my dumbass today stayed in pox gas until i downed twice cuz i forgot bomber gas can actually kill u

[serene bough]

Doesn't matter, if all you're going for is penance farming

[wanton dawn]

Just play it like subpar voc

[vernal trench]

Lights out is nice on dark communion

[gleaming turtle]

Alright, let's give it a whirl.

[vernal trench]

Can never get penance farming its so pointless to me

[serene bough]

On Sundays I see the same batch of high level players running their 40s

[vernal trench]

Lmtao

[unreal nova]

It was the one where you need to get 5 ammo things before the ship arrives.

[serene bough]

Same idea as me I guess, get it out of the way then don't touch

[vernal trench]

Chasm logistratum

That one is tough

[serene bough]

Tbh I wanna lower my level to 35 so I can take a stab at true survivor

[wanton dawn]

New one. With big shield

[vernal trench]

I feel like its as hard or even harder than clandestine gloriana

[vernal trench]

Ill do it with u tmr

If u know good players that can help

[unreal nova]

I know Dark Communion. Played it a bunch on normal malice/heresy.

[gleaming turtle]

Because one day they are going to increase the total penance cap, and it'll have stuff you might want. You may as well get it out of the way, particularly if you are going to play the game for a long ass time. It also sort of helps you understand how classes works, and gets you set up in case your class isn't suited for something. Like, I main Ogryn. You think I do high level Havocs as Ogryn? Get real.

[serene bough]

Im actually not around for a few weeks I went home for the holidays

[wanton dawn]

I dont know good player sowy

[serene bough]

Left my PC back at my apartment

[vernal trench]

Did one with an ogryn today tho

Ogryns can be great

just built different lmfao

[vernal trench]

Rip

[unreal nova]

Honestly, I would give up if Gloriana shows up.

[vernal trench]

Its fun as hell

Id never waste that chance

[wanton dawn]

Gloriana is the funniest one

[unreal nova]

Nobody seems to know how to do the event.

[serene bough]

Gloriana i can deal with

[vernal trench]

Gloriana is prolly my favorite havoc map

[serene bough]

The hourglass with tox gas? Holy fuck what a miserable experience

[gleaming turtle]

Not worth the frustration. I hate playing the playstyle that 30+ basically forces you into on Ogryn, particularly because the class is absolutely not tuned for that. Not to mention that 90% of people will reject an Ogryn player out of hand at high levels because they seem them as an albatross.

It's why I switched to Zealot for Havocs.

You get in every single time.

[vernal trench]

Lmfao i can testify

[unreal nova]

And trying to force it on a paper support psyker is suffering.

[vernal trench]

Lmao yea zealot and psyker is just built for it

vet and ogryn ur really team reliant

[wanton dawn]

In maelstrom I think I have seen the most wipe on the sewer boss map, part below first event

[vernal trench]

Oh yea i played that yesterday

Hard finding teamates that wont die every 5 seconds

[wanton dawn]

Ppl run around like headless chicken on this part

[vernal trench]

Maelstroms just for shits and giggles until u have to solo the entire game cuz everyone died or left

[wanton dawn]

Well, cant do that with exe bolter

[serene bough]

Trying to clutch maelstrom is the true darktide experience

Butt clenching chaos

[vernal trench]

Executioner bolter is such a good play

[sullen jackal]

random thing: did you know that beast of nurgle are attracted to corruption

[vernal trench]

na

[sullen jackal]

the more permanent damage you have, the more likely they'll target you!

[vernal trench]

That one guy on youtube that clutches havoc 40 with rat zealot tho

[wanton dawn]

Absolute fun on fog sniper.

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure they chase aggro like every other boss.

[vernal trench]

He was kiting them around rescuing the entire havoc 40

[serene bough]

Clutching havoc 40 is definitely more impressive but im not that sweaty yet lols

[vernal trench]

Exec is just busted in general lmao

[wanton dawn]

Err, idk about that

[sullen jackal]

yes, they also have a particularly long stickiness duration of 20 seconds

[vernal trench]

Yea i aint doing that on a vet imma just die

[unreal nova]

I held aggro before at highest hp just just shooting it more with my old combat back in the days to buy team time to help someone.

[vernal trench]

Really

[sullen jackal]

inverted_permanent_damage_taken = 20

[wanton dawn]

Meh, zealot clutch could be avoided by not playing invis

[sullen jackal]

also the only enemies attracted to players outside of coherency are chaos hounds

netgunners are also assholes and will prefer to target players with occupied melee slots(aka fighting in melee), while most everything else will try and avoid those players to varying degrees

[unreal nova]

Not trappers as well?

[wanton dawn]

That is not my feeling when I do skull puzzle

[vernal trench]

Damn

[unreal nova]

Seems about right. Hard to dodge if being pummeled with lack of space.

[sullen jackal]

    disabled = -5,
    distance_to_target = 5,
    max_distance = 50,
    occupied_slots = 1,
    archetypes = {
        ogryn = 1,
        psyker = 1,
        veteran = 1,
        zealot = 1,
    },
}```

[serene bough]

Thought mutants/trappers/dogs all did

[wanton dawn]

Netgunner loves every classes equally

[vernal trench]

Lmao

[unreal nova]

Chargers just see someone and home.

[vernal trench]

Muties?

[unreal nova]

No dooks given unless you are in the way.

Yeah.

[wanton dawn]

Muts are cute. Until they pummel you in a fire

[vernal trench]

Yea lmfao

[unreal nova]

They flung me out of a dookshow before though.

[sullen jackal]

well, when mutants spawn, they're directed t owards... roughly the person farthest away from the main attack vector I think?

there's basically three 'lanes' of combat. main, left, and right

[wanton dawn]

Still think muts should have varying pitches

[sullen jackal]

it's technically true yes that a few specialists tend to target the flanks and thus people not fighting the horde at the main attack vector(where they come)

[wanton dawn]

"WOOAAA" "wOaAaA" "WIIIIII", "WAAAARR"

[sullen jackal]

but only hounds will actively target those out of coherency above others

[vernal trench]

Love me hounds

[serene bough]

Mutant asmr

[wanton dawn]

"ChatGPT, mix a dt mutie with gigachad"

(& don't forget to put "made with mematic")

[silver yoke]

So when using Weapons Specialist how should my gameplay change?

also what's the right way to use infiltrator?

[unreal nova]

Already have one IRL to deal with. She knows how to crotch shot btw.

That excitable lil gremlin.

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

[vernal trench]

Prolly good for run and gun playstyles

[sullen jackal]

the right way to use infiltrator is to use one of the other two abilities instead /j

[vernal trench]

Its so fun tho

Good for objectives mainly

And survivability

[silver yoke]

Fatshaark
make Infiltrator viable in Havoc 35

[vernal trench]

Definitely is

If ur team can handle themselves u can run whatever the fuck

[silver yoke]

I mean I really feel like as long as you have 4 decentish players build choice really doesn't matter as much

[vernal trench]

Yea

I bring executioner stance when i play with people that r good enough

Cuz they dont need me shouting every 5 seconds

[silver yoke]

Infiltrator just keeps me alive
saves my ass
and helps me do objectives and revive my teammates safely and way way quicker

[vernal trench]

Yea but u shouldnt need it to stay alive in havocs

Its just fun to use

Meme build if anything

[silver yoke]

I mean maybe it's a bit of a crutch

[vernal trench]

Its like the same question why do u need it to revive if no one dies in the first place

[silver yoke]

Shit mates

[vernal trench]

At that point fuck them and go solo lmfao

Not in havocs im not good enough

[silver yoke]

reminds me of COD Zombies
really makes you question being a team player when your teamate has gone down over 40 times

[vernal trench]

Yea i dont bother in maelstroms

I use whatever build i want and run off

They aint worth it

[silver yoke]

Think if I ask some people to make a build for me they would
I know what I want but I know I ain't really making it the best it can be

[vernal trench]

Just make whatever and try them out

[silver yoke]

honestly I made a build and it works great
but I can promise it's not optimal at all lmfao

[vernal trench]

Send it

If it works who gives a fuck lmao

[silver yoke]

I gotta make it in the website
and it's like 2 am

But I'll do it later

just for tou

you

[sleek garden]

feasibly you could use it with a run n gun autogun to suppress shooters point blank by appearing near them

[little lion]

Is the recon las gun good?

And if so what is it’s dump stat

[silver yoke]

This is all I want out of life

Rashad
Bolt Pistol
Infiltrator
Melee Oriented
Maybe Weapons Specialist
Is it possible?

[narrow frost]

Yes and check pins

[bitter turtle]

Infiltrate is better than voc on a lot of maps imo

[little lion]

Ok

[bitter turtle]

Stability or collateral

[little lion]

Okay

[calm shard]

what's veterans best melee weapon for killing hordes as fast as possible

[little lion]

What would you guys say is the best gun on vet? I’m really enjoying the las gun

[wanton dawn]

Az would say axe. I say sunder PS

[calm shard]

cause I'm wanting a melee weapon to run with my helbore on exe stance vet

[wanton dawn]

Well, sunder is for mixed horde but ppl don't know the diff

[bitter turtle]

Use whatever you want until havoc

Everything is viable in auric

[little lion]

What’s auric?

I just started ngl lol

[bitter turtle]

Then don't worry about ut

Just play anything you like

[calm shard]

oh yeah if you just started use whatever

[wanton dawn]

Dont worry about it indeed

[little lion]

Alright

[vernal trench]

Lmfao that sounds funny as shit

[little lion]

How about a build to work towards then?

[vernal trench]

Thats actually such a good idea

[calm shard]

So is Sunder better than Wrath on the power sword for Havoc?

[wanton dawn]

Wrath is crap

[calm shard]

So is Sunder just the best choice to run on p sword in general

power cycler obviously since it's the only reason power sword isn't dogshit

[wanton dawn]

It is if you put fat stuff in your horde

[bitter turtle]

Sunder > good for mixed horde
BM > kill chaff

[vernal trench]

What are either of those things again

[calm shard]

brutal momentum it is I hate chaff with a burning passion and wish to remove them from my life so I can go back to shooting everything bigger than a poxwalker with my helbore

[wanton dawn]

Sunder increase cleave by 300% and add minimum target count

[bitter turtle]

You like recon right?

[wanton dawn]

Do not bounce on bulwark shield

[vernal trench]

I love hellbore

[vernal trench]

Wtf is that

[calm shard]

oh yeah and is there any significant viability difference between the 2 marks on the power sword

[wanton dawn]

Brutal momentum is better at killing chaff and single but can bounce on fat

[calm shard]

they both seem nearly identical

[bitter turtle]

Just work to this for now

It is generically decent

Whatever you pick to go with recon as melee should be fine

[little lion]

Yea

[little lion]

OK thanks!

[wanton dawn]

Bm hit harder but sunder has higher target limit and higher min target count. It is safer for disabling horde

[vernal trench]

I hould try that

Should

[wanton dawn]

Also ignoring bulwark shield is nice for standing your ground

[bitter turtle]

Also you will see people suggest running onslaught with recon 12

It's ok but it's kind of a meme

[silver yoke]

it feels like whatever game I play I make some weird half optimal off meta build that I try to make work just because I like it

And I mean it works so I don't think I'll change it

[wanton dawn]

Anything that ignore an enemy main gameplay element is usually good

[little lion]

lmao alright

[bitter turtle]

Personally I suggest running 6 for ammo efficiency or 14 for built in peentration (shoot thru multiple enemies at once)

12 + onslaught is basically a build to let recons kill crushers

But it makes the rest of your build worse bc it's expensive to take

[little lion]

I see

Okay

[calm shard]

It is nice, but I usually use krak grenades if i'm playing gun vet

[little lion]

I’ll just use whatever was in that tech tree for now instead of making it too complicated

[bitter turtle]

Mhm

[little lion]

The dump stat for the recon was what again?

[bitter turtle]

For the grenade btw

[wanton dawn]

You are the one trying stuff

[bitter turtle]

Throw 2 for it to kill everything rager and weaker

To stack the bleed

[bitter turtle]

Stability or collateral

[little lion]

Okay thanks a lot

[bitter turtle]

Just make sure it has max ammo/dmg

[little lion]

Is there not one to dump completely it’s just either or?

[bitter turtle]

It doesn't matter

[calm shard]

this is build I use for gun vet

[little lion]

Sounds good

[bitter turtle]

You have no recoil for stability

And barely any stagger for collateral to mattrr

[calm shard]

Doesn't collateral partially affect armor pen?

Or am I crazy

[bitter turtle]

So neither of those stats do anything

[little lion]

Alright

[bitter turtle]

No

You're thinking of stopping power

[wicked epoch]

what gun do you use

[calm shard]

oh it doesn't

hm

[little lion]

Well imma go into a game now thanks a lot man

[calm shard]

I usually use Helbore

[bitter turtle]

Np

[wicked epoch]

i wanna know if it can be used for infantry las or recon la

[little lion]

[calm shard]

Only reason I'm taking that shit ass weapon swap speed node

[wicked epoch]

las

[little lion]

I’m not even the vet player here lol my brother just doesn’t use discord 💀

[calm shard]

I would change a few skills around for Recon lasgun to get Deadshot and Duck & Cover

[little lion]

but off I go

[wanton dawn]

You bring info to your bro ? Thats nice

[bitter turtle]

[little lion]

Yea me n him are new but he asked if I could find a build for him

I’m just a big fat ogryn bro

[wicked epoch]

hows about infantry las?

ngl im oddly tempted to make a helbore and duelling sabre build

[calm shard]

Honestly probably the exact same but - weapon swap and get Superiority Complex instead

[bitter turtle]

Deadshot recon is enough of a meme that even our resident recon lover has dropped the idea

[wicked epoch]

if i can roll a good fuckin sword

[calm shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1205760412507840572/1229588319801835561/IMG_3696.gif

[wanton dawn]

It is my policy to no longer comment on build. I do it still for keystoneless cuz I like to diss recon

[bitter turtle]

My keystone in havoc is grenade

[wanton dawn]

Mine is winning

[bitter turtle]

Same

I don't think any keystone in havoc is that impactful besides WS personally

[wanton dawn]

☝️

[bitter turtle]

I'm just rambling about my thoughts

[wanton dawn]

I will respect dude who succeed unironically with MF

[wicked epoch]

rolled these a long time back

[silver yoke]

Tbh I use weapons specialist because the other keystones just look weird
and No keystone feels wrong

[wanton dawn]

I use tag cuz numbers

[vernal trench]

Yea i feel like spending it on keystones will actively make u worse

[bitter turtle]

Don't like tag because it doesn't make grenade better

[vernal trench]

U need that 80% damage

[wicked epoch]

welp

[calm shard]

I do actually have 2 seperate grenade builds 1 for krak and 1 for shredders

I use them in Havoc if I'm the only vet

[wanton dawn]

Tell me you play shredder without telling me

[calm shard]

(or WS if I'm not)

[wicked epoch]

i have these

[silver yoke]

I use weapons specialist but I feel horrible everytime I swap weapons

[wicked epoch]

any good?

[vernal trench]

Im considering switching to krak tbh for havoc but shredder is so good for crowd control

[little lion]

Are there different variants of the recon?

[calm shard]

yeah

the green one is bad last I remember

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[calm shard]

brown is okay but the blue one is the reason you're using recon las to begin with

[bitter turtle]

Wrong

Green one is meta in havoc

[little lion]

Which one is the best one?

[calm shard]

oh

[bitter turtle]

[vernal trench]

Idk i use mk 12 havent trued others

[calm shard]

what a glowup it got

[vernal trench]

Which mk is that

[calm shard]

so that means the blue one is the bad one

[bitter turtle]

It's preference outside of havoc

[wanton dawn]

Me taking krak or shredder is mostly dependent on me taking surv or dmg

[bitter turtle]

12 = fastest fire rate. For onslaught build

6 = ammo efficiency

[vernal trench]

Plasma defo the meta in havoc

[calm shard]

my remembrance of the recon lasgun is very out of date because I still remember green recon taking 2 ammo per shot

[bitter turtle]

14 = cleave

[vernal trench]

12 prolly the most useful

[little lion]

Alright

[vernal trench]

Cuz 14 dont do shit on havic when u got pox hardened

[bitter turtle]

No, 6 is better

Ammo efficiency above evetthing

The dmg difference between the marks is under 10%

Even in ideal circumstances for 12

And ur not taking onslaught in havoc

[wanton dawn]

No, ur taking recon

[calm shard]

oh actually anothr thing I might have outdated memory of

Is the slow Helbore still the best one?

[bitter turtle]

Funnily enough I used 14 in my first 40 clear and true survivor title in week 1 bc i didn't know about the hitmass values yet

I don't think there's any reason to use it though

Path said something about slightly better specialist ttk but

More ammo is betterer probably

[wanton dawn]

Probably not. Ppl tend to like any of the 3

And hate the bayo on the slow

[calm shard]

I mean I don't use the bayonet on any of them

weapon customization mod

[bitter turtle]

You're missing out

[calm shard]

can't live without flashlight

[wanton dawn]

Havent touched seriously since bm no longer applied

[bitter turtle]

Yea

[wanton dawn]

I dont like lucius gunplay

[bitter turtle]

Sadness

Still good dmg and stagger but no more bayonet charge into horde

[sleek garden]

tried this right now with terrifying barrage instead

[bitter turtle]

I was hoping hot shot was a bm replacement

[sleek garden]

worked pretty well until my team all died to green bulwarks

[bitter turtle]

But it's not

[wanton dawn]

Nothing can replace bm

[gilded wraith]

What's a good havoc melee if I can only go down to reciprocity and desperado?

[vernal trench]

its decent

not a lot thi

tho

[wanton dawn]

I am already loaded

[calm shard]

y'know what okay I understand the helbore bayonet love now

1 shot stab that annoying fucking poxwalker that always magically appears behind you

if it's a rager just stab them more since it staggers them

[sinful swallow]

Weight of fire on mk2 goes pretty hard too if you're running the full auto mod as long as you're not against a carapace wall

[frank ledge]

buff helbore

[terse idol]

Full auto mod is defo cheating

Helbore iss, imo it's fine, the slowest one could use a bayonet buff cause the slash is bad

But it's a lasgun with carapace damaging properties

[frank ledge]

Carpal tunnel.

[frank ledge]

There's a reason the only time you'd bring a helbore to Havok 40 is your ammo economy requires it

[sullen jackal]

helbore is like 90% of a ranged weapon and kinda fails at really being that competitive of a ranged weapon... and then it has bayonet stabs and charges.

[vernal trench]

whellbore with executioner stance is awesome for havocs

[sullen jackal]

well ok

it also has good ammo efficiency

but imo like other lasguns tend to just be better except yeah carapace

[vernal trench]

hellbore just 1 taps most enemies and 2 tap at most

[sullen jackal]

but the bayonet is really the kicker, since imo it doesn't really work well as a high damage single target tool otherwise

[vernal trench]

but the charge time many people dont like

[vernal trench]

eh it exists

[frank ledge]

Havok

[copper parcel]

What are the recommended traits and blessings for the bolt pistol?

[unreal nova]

Puncture and Lethal proximity.

[copper parcel]

What about traits? Flak, elite, what?

[tawny timber]

unarmored

[unreal nova]

I only remember the blessings lul.

[drowsy aspen]

I think classic Flakiak

I wouldn't say Puncture for the pistol

I like Lethal Proximity and Executioner

Especially on Weapon Swap

If you're looking for what's fun, a fast melee weapon and a bolt pistol at melee range with weapon swap is hard to beat

[wicked epoch]

i found a hatsune miku toy once at a local toy store

[unreal nova]

Is more breakpoints. Lethal is a must on frag vets though.

[tawny timber]

ptsd

[drowsy aspen]

Does bleed apply from the proxiimity actually?

[versed osprey]

Is thermal res the dump stat on the plasma gun?

[wanton dawn]

no

plasma has no true dump. You max damage and pen, then it is a trade-off. Some argue for 71% charge 69% thermal for 8 uncharged shot from 0% heat

[fickle narwhal]

Man the draw time of helbore rifle don’t have sense, seems too much

[solemn niche]

can you guess what weapon I used to do all this boss damage ?

[elder fiber]

Knife punch

[solemn niche]

||laspistol|| bet you didn't see that coming

second place was a zealot with relic blade

[grizzled pebble]

How did everyone get so high damage?

[calm shard]

finishing auric missions with over 100 ranged elite kills alone seems promising for my prospects of playing exe stance vet on havoc

[grizzled pebble]

It'll be rough but you might be able to pull through.

[gleaming turtle]

How in the name of Christ am I supposed to get 500 Krak grenade kills on armored enemies when everyone melts these dickheads and I get so few per game (generally due to the refresh timer and only having 2).

So far I am at 70, and I am easily going to finish my other two penances for Veteran that I have yet to complete before I come close to hitting 500.

Everyone just immediately targets the Crushers, Bulwarks, Maulers, and Ragers when they show up, and the grenades do piss damage so even if I chuck them in a crowd of flak dudes they tend not to kill anyone.

[calm shard]

scab ragers, maulers, and bulwarks are all quite common and also count

just throw em at all of em

[gleaming turtle]

Read the rest of the comments.

They get melted before the nades go off.

[calm shard]

bulwarks have a big ass shield I've only ever seen Zealot players melt them

and also me personally but that's personal bias

[smoky sparrow]

i love how the counting down of the krak grenades is basically a "IM HERE PLEASE SHOOT ME" for your whole team

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, it's the BB for Vets.

[smoky sparrow]

honestly that shit should explode on impact

[gleaming turtle]

I wonder if it would be time efficient to just do Auric Maelstroms, find my first pack of Bulwarks/Crushers, toss three nades with the perk, get three kills, and then leave.

[solemn niche]

the boltpistol blressing that makes the bolts explode also buffs the explosion range of krak granade, makes it easier to score multikills

[gleaming turtle]

So it's a BM on the bayonet situation?

Just have that blessing the Kraks are better for reasons unknown to all?

[solemn niche]

yes

[gleaming turtle]

Well.

[solemn niche]

also works with shredder nades, there is a video that shows you can hit the whole psykanium with a boosted shredder

[gleaming turtle]

I don't hate the Bolt Pistol, so that's fine.

Just need to finish up the Elite/Special crit headshot kills penance first, and then move onto the other two.

[calm shard]

if only ogryn had bolt pistol

imagine the frag grenades and rumbler shots

[gleaming turtle]

If only Ogryn had weapons

[solemn niche]

I just had a scary thought I didn't test if that blessing also boosts SMOKE granade

[gleaming turtle]

No need, that fucker's so big already

I got my 2000 smoked enemies in 3 games.

[calm shard]

it's uh

5 meters

[gleaming turtle]

Still got it in 3 games.

Horde noise? Throw nade. Horde noise? Throw nade. Repeat.

The movement aura penance is def bugged tho.

I got that done in the first 10 minutes of one mission.

Ogryn has an aura penance that's bugged too.

I literally got that unlocked in the first fight of the first game I was building for it.

[elder fiber]

it sadly doesn't

[stoic hound]

Hello, I have a question
Out for Blood talent says "gives an additional 5% toughness on kills". Does it work on ranged kills even though they give 0 to begin with ?

[stoic hound]

I tested it and it doesn't seem to do so

A shame I love smoke

[wanton dawn]

yes

[stoic hound]

thank you

[high mulch]

Who else rocks the plasma gun?

[latent parcel]

who doesnt

[stiff merlin]

Is there anywhere I can go to see the RoF for certain guns?

[unreal nova]

Inspect.

[idle swallow]

I'm pretty sure it says the rof on the inspect screen

[stiff merlin]

Does it? Now I feel blind.

Oh, I think its because I was looking at the different marks screen trying. Which I like, I guess, but it would be nice to see that as well on the statcard

I was trying to see the difference between the VIc and the XIV Recon. I really don't get what the purpose of the VIc is lol

[crisp oak]

I don't

[terse idol]

Okay hold oonn, I just think like

You can beat auric damn with helbore
If it IS alright on havoc (the helbore) the issue is well, no ghost

Its not that bad it's just carpal tunnel sim

Don't charge for every single regular shooter enemy (for damnation)

[crisp oak]

found a havoc 40 with it

[stiff merlin]

I love the helbore, but only the stabby ones.

[terse idol]

Hell yeah

I just don't think it's that bad

It is however kiiiinda clunky

[weak parcel]

what's the ideal plasma gun spread again?

is 66 charge 74 thermal good?

[hollow ibex]

check pins

[bitter turtle]

6 is more ammo efficient

[sleek garden]

okay

sustained fire or punishing salvo

[stiff merlin]

For the Helbore, what are the good blessing for the Mk 1? Weight of Fire and Armourbane? Is Hot-Shot any good?

er MK V

[sleek garden]

Personally dont like weight of fire because i feel like it makes me innaccurate

the gun moves around when chargiing

but i probably use stupid stuff

im using sustained fire

[tame lodge]

Surgical Weight of Fire

Mk V? Surgical and Hotshot/Armourbane

[ocean shell]

Is the combat shotgun actually viable on veteran?

I used it for weapon masteries and absolutely hated it

[sleek garden]

sadly they arent amazing

which sucks because i like the zarona shotgun

you can make some silly buuilds

[tame lodge]

Yes they are viable

They are not impressive nor disappointing

[ocean shell]

They work but not outstandingly?

[odd sparrow]

yep i prefer the long range one. But they are all just ok

[ocean shell]

I see, I usually use the plasma gun or the bolt pistol

I’ve just been using the various auto guns for penances

[hollow ibex]

viable is a pretty low bar

almost any weapon is viable lol

[ocean shell]

I had meant is it any good but that’s been answered lmao

[hollow ibex]

good? no. viable? yes.

[ocean shell]

Because I know the hacker is a lot better with weapon specialist

[ocean shell]

So if I wanted to use something other than these two, what might be some recommendations?

[tame lodge]

Vigilant Graia

[woeful pulsar]

Vraks 5 auto gun and recon laz are meta rn

Along with plasma

[ocean shell]

Ah gotcha, didn’t know if the metas changed after updates

[ocean shell]

Which one is that?

[woeful pulsar]

Garia headhunter auto gun

They changed headhunter to vigilant

[ocean shell]

I know, I was just wondering if that was one of the burst fire ones

[tame lodge]

The Graia is the single shot one

[ocean shell]

Gotcha, what would you recommend for stats, perks, and blessings?

I’m using VoC, shredder frags, and Focus Target if that helps

[stiff merlin]

I love the incendiary one because basically infinite cleave

[tame lodge]

Flak Unarmored
Surgical+Deadly Accurate
60% mobility

[ocean shell]

Gotcha, thanks!

[stiff merlin]

and I generally have fun with them because you can pop people just fine with them and clear horde though I feel its more of a set up weapon

[ocean shell]

I tried that one and wasn’t a huge fan

[stiff merlin]

that's fine, you do you, find the gun you do like

[ocean shell]

I also feel like it had bad stats

[stiff merlin]

but I like Full Bore and Terrifying Barrage because with suppression talents you get get a horde to freeze so your team can mop up

though I know somem people like the bleed one

[ocean shell]

On the crit bleed?

[stiff merlin]

yeah, the Flechette, but if you're not building for crit

the close range damage buff wouldn't be bad if you're building for horde clear and I figure hit and run is real good with range enemy buffs right now

pretty sure you can do wicked stagger build too with the shotguns which probably would be decent single target

[ocean shell]

Gotcha

[stiff merlin]

but for hit and run, I wonder if the Double Barrelled would be better, I guess it depends on which one is the faster draw and now I'm getting ideas for a right side build where you just blap some heretic with the double barrel to become immune to ranged attack so you can run up and melee rampage or be me and just melee with the helbore more than you shoot it XD

[ocean shell]

I’m gonna test out higui’s autogun recommendation but if I get a shotgun I’ll try that

[sleek garden]

My shotgun recommendation is deadshot+marksmans focus+tunnel vision with manstopper on zarona shotgun

The spreadshot with a crit or high stacks of marksmans focus will chop a horde's collective head off

it's a lot of fun on rolling steel

but otherwise you're using the zarona

which is my favorite but probably the worst

okay im gonna commit suicide

taking power sword with slaughterer and sunder this game

lets see what happens

[ocean shell]

Lmao

[hollow ibex]

trying out a revolver exec stance meme build

actually not bad

though the ammo efficiency is pretty shit even with survivalist

[oblique totem]

Plasma gun exec stance build

[hollow ibex]

plasma 🥱

[oblique totem]

Admittedly, I never use the thing but some swear by it

[hollow ibex]

if anyone is curious

wished the ammo econ was better but oh well

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles2-the-incredibles-math-writing-i-have-to-figure-this-out-gif-12848641

[hollow ibex]

not bad for a match where i spent 10 minutes hitting ice block (PS seems to do no god damn damage to ice blocks)

[wary spoke]

New to darktide is recon lasgun and dueling sword best things you can use?

Seen from Tanner's videos

[hollow ibex]

1 they’re very good

2 ignore tanner

Dudes prob the number one source of fake news in the community

[stiff merlin]

Is the Helbore vet only?

[sleek garden]

holy moly

its so awful

i won

but its ridiculously bad

2 dodges

i have 3 block cost reduction nodes and blocking a single poxwalker takes 20% stamina

pushing uses something like 2 bars of stamina of its base 4-5

it has absolutely no defence

it takes like 5% stamina to block a poxwalker with the devils claw

it needs better defence

if you put all your curios into stamina and block cost reduction it would barely work as a normal sword

[tall torrent]

Mister E:

Tanner is 2nd

[fading yarrow]

Darktide players when different opinions form from different playtime experiences

[silver yoke]

I have done it

i have created and will now share my weird funny build

I look forward to honest genuine critique and comments

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9dc9aad5-8401-45b6-821d-22272adf03b1

yeah i dont have an account

i should make one

@tall torrent I summon you

[terse idol]

Its like

When you

Just spread wrong information

And then raise it up as fact

How is it an opinion anymore

You're just spreading false information

And all these players have thousands of hours in darktide

People dislike tanner for a multitude of reasons also stemming from, his personality is grating

[tall torrent]

Wow

I don’t even know what to say

[silver yoke]

I expected this sort of reaction

official version now

same thing

why did i bother

[silver yoke]

This....is gonna be good....and just for the record.
I'm using this unironically. No memes.

[silver yoke]

yeah?

Damn bro didn't even wanna trash on it he just said use this and left 💀

[tall torrent]

No tactical awareness
No iron will
No precision strikes
Missing breakpoints for Boltpistol and Rashad

Yea it’s basically over

[silver yoke]

Infiltrate users in shambles

[silver yoke]

Let me guess.
both of those weapons rely heavily on meeting breakpoints

Please trash my build i encourage you to

its very constructive

[tall torrent]

Do u want to kill 4 guys per swing or hit 1 guy per swing

[silver yoke]

the better one.

[tall torrent]

Playing infiltrate is fine
But not taking tactical awareness + iron will isn’t

[silver yoke]

So this is the Rashad/Bistol optimal setup?
Would it even work with Infiltrate?

And I'm gonna guess Krak's just fall off at higher difficulties?

[tall torrent]

No

[silver yoke]

oh. i just really like kraks

[tall torrent]

Do u have to play infiltrate

[silver yoke]

i would prefer to use it.
but i mean i could adapt.

[tall torrent]

I personally don’t think Boltpistol is particularly good if not going for the frag synergy

[silver yoke]

why is that?

[crisp oak]

The bolt pistol explosion blessing makes your frags radius increase to funny levels

Other than that the revolver hits bps easier

[tall torrent]

It’s just functionally a worse revolver

[crisp oak]

I like the bistol reload better than the revolver

[tall torrent]

Slower draw to fire, worse breakpoints, far less cleave, worse firerate, much higher recoil

[crisp oak]

But if using it on vet, sup complex is wanted

[fervent mesa]

what's our best gun options to kill far away specials?

[tall torrent]

Plasma, revolver, infantry lasgun, infantry autogun, bolt pistol, Boltgun

[crisp oak]

~~vigilant autogun ~~

[tall torrent]

Low maniac ADM

[crisp oak]

I know and it makes me sad

Vigilant needs a buff

[fervent mesa]

guess I should stick to infantry lasgun for now

[crisp oak]

Yeah, just click heads

Ilas has reverse damage falloff

[fervent mesa]

I thought recon lasgun would be good then I see all the perks are close range and cringed

[tall torrent]

IIb and VII are the better variants

[wanton dawn]

I liek bolter exe

[tall torrent]

Close range is not what you think it is

[fervent mesa]

huh

[crisp oak]

Yeah the recon is fine out to like 40 meters

When you say long ranged Im assuming 100

[tall torrent]

Nah

20m+

Recon’s problem is bad ADM across the board

Low maniac
Low flak
Low unyielding

[fervent mesa]

what does close ranged mean

[fading yarrow]

His guides haven't led me astray so far

Don't see how they're misinfo

[fervent mesa]

I dont actually know how far 30m is in game

[crisp oak]

Roughly 90 feet

[wanton dawn]

Am too lazy to write guide

[deft oriole]

His guides are fine for the most part, he’s just extremely rude and highly disliked

[crisp oak]

[deft oriole]

And usually any build that goes against his is bad in his eyes, very close minded

[wanton dawn]

He is not good enough to be rude is what id say

[fading yarrow]

I mean. He got the first Havoc 40 no-down clear

I'd say he has the gumption

[crisp oak]

he also doesnt have as much behind the scenes knowledge as some of the other youtubers that are also playtesters

[wanton dawn]

Allegebly ?

[narrow frost]

Who was it?

[wanton dawn]

One of my fren got solo havoc 40

[crisp oak]

Playtesters got the first havok 40 no downs

[silver yoke]

How can we fix the tree

[crisp oak]

[wary spoke]

Wdym?

[wanton dawn]

I trust him cuz he do be like that

[wary spoke]

He seems to put a lot of work into the guides

Like hour long vids

[austere mica]

Effort =/= truth

[tall torrent]

Nah, he’s too frequently wrong

[austere mica]

See antivax anything

[wanton dawn]

Anyway, getting 40 havoc no down is mostly about getting 4 ppl with the right set up and enough experiznce

[narrow frost]

Good darktide players dont make content

[heavy rover]

It's about recognizing what works for your playstyle

[fading yarrow]

We're talkin' about Tanner. For context, I questioned calling his and Mister E.'s content misinfo earlier

[serene bough]

I really can't wait until I complete my havoc penances

Im so tired of queueing havoc

[heavy rover]

So a lot of "it depends"

[wanton dawn]

Good dt player don't post on dt discord either

[crisp oak]

Mister e on the other hand.....

[austere mica]

I could make a 3 hour video about why Skirmisher is the best talent ever made

[crisp oak]

And you would be right

[narrow frost]

he wasnt the 1st to get true survivor

[hollow ibex]

Yeah he’s really good at appearing knowledgeable. It comes naturally to him. In reality though, he’s just a racist yapping chihuahua.

[oak gorge]

back in my day we didn't look for guides for meta builds when we were new we just used what's fun

[crisp oak]

Still not sure where the racist came from

[hollow ibex]

Guess why he’s banned here.

[crisp oak]

[crisp oak]

Facts

And that is what I wish

People would do

Learn why tacaxes are trash yourself

[austere mica]

Tac axe is fun you shush

[wanton dawn]

Back in my day I could kill 120 crushers in 2 minutes with an axe and some frags

[serene bough]

I mean, people are able to play and generate their own opinions

[wanton dawn]

Then they nerfed thunderous

[oak gorge]

back in my day we oiled ourselves up when it was raining so we could fly

[crisp oak]

[serene bough]

Its just how well you're able to share those opinions in discourse that allows theroy and build crafting to evolve our understanding of the game

[austere mica]

We used to think Ruthless Backstab was BiS

[serene bough]

Hence when people are generally brazen or irritating we don't really want to care for their input

[wanton dawn]

It is easy to be irritating

Doesnt make you better though

[tall torrent]

I just happen to be usually right (cuz I actually check things)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[wary spoke]

Yeah idc if he is a racist personally I am here for darktide and things he points out in his everything about veteran guide and the meta build make a lot of sense to me. I have been using the recon lasgun and the dueling sword with his talent spread in malice/heresy and I am level 18 it has been working wonders tbh. I think you have personal issues with the guy and clouds your judgement

From what I can tell

[narrow frost]

Thats fair, jsut paly the game

[wanton dawn]

Meh.

[narrow frost]

your leveling you dont need to min/max everything

[crisp oak]

Learn how to use weapons other than the dueling sword

[austere mica]

“In malice/heresy” well no shit

[crisp oak]

Its fun

[austere mica]

Everything works well in malice and heresy

[crisp oak]

I run masteries in malice/heresy with grey weapons

[wary spoke]

Well I don't have access to higher difficulties yet

Did you miss the part where I said I am level 18

[wanton dawn]

It is just a name we hear a bit too much. Also he did went here and the exchange were rough

[oak gorge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194381907278962722/1320478219526209576/distort.gif

[crisp oak]

You have access to yamnation

[oak gorge]

implodes your cat

[austere mica]

No but like

[wary spoke]

I will try

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[wary spoke]

With randoms it is annoying to do higher difficulties

[crisp oak]

But try out other weapons and see how they tick

[austere mica]

I could run malice as soon as I get there level wise and perform with the barest semblance of a build

I would also recommend you try other stuff

[wary spoke]

I have tried other weapons as well but not all of them

[oak gorge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194381907278962722/1320478479333986374/distort.gif

[austere mica]

Leveling is the best time to experiment

[oak gorge]

explodes your flop

[crisp oak]

Good

[tall torrent]

Check pinned

[crisp oak]

Just try them out and have some fun

[austere mica]

Nothing really matters on stats because everything sucks and you’re broke

[wanton dawn]

In any case, we are all bad, enjoy the game

[wary spoke]

Cool? I am not trying to brag that I do content lol I am just saying where I am at the game

[serene bough]

All i'll advise is you listen to other sources of info as well, he has game knowledge but is overall inconsistent

[wary spoke]

Fair enough

[austere mica]

I’m making a point that just because they say it’s good you aren’t actually stress testing it

[tall torrent]

Just use kuli’s or my guide

[wary spoke]

Link it if you can thx

I will check

[tall torrent]

Check pinned

[crisp oak]

His most recent vet guide was fine

[serene bough]

In pins

[austere mica]

Path has the most informationally comprehensive guide for this game

[tall torrent]

I hope you enjoy reading

[crisp oak]

Just a bog standard recon las, dueling sword

Which I find mehh and not that fun

[wanton dawn]

I am going to do dishes, then a bit of boltpistol ws i guess

[oak gorge]

me doing the dishes because i'm pansexual

[wanton dawn]

Wat

[oak gorge]

[wanton dawn]

Strange fellow

[serene bough]

Warp anomaly