veteran-class

[pastel yew]

even then its not optimal for the plasma gun it just means you dont have to spam ping

at the cost of worse rager breakpoints

[tired scarab]

i shift around a ton when i use my gun so i'm gonna be at 1 stack forever with that keystone

[pastel yew]

nah they increased the stack timer, if you're fighting itll never drop

[tired scarab]

oh based

[pastel yew]

if you get weakspot kills you dont lose stacks

and they're.. 6? seconds now

[wanton dawn]

You just take the one that give you stack when you don't move. It works in melee

[pastel yew]

the stand still playstyle is pretty bait, most of the upgrade nodes are also not good

[pastel yew]

nah not worth imo

you get stacks so quick by just headshotting things

[tired scarab]

true

[wanton dawn]

I care more about frontloaded damage rather than backloaded

[serene bough]

I use MF for ilas

Thats about it

[pastel yew]

but it's only really down when you arent fighting at all

[tired scarab]

i played with someone who used it with the stub revolver as a meme

each headshot dealt like 1000+ damage

[pastel yew]

also for the most part its just a ttk increase, since the only weapons you're using this on really are automatic weapons where breakpoints become... blurry

[wanton dawn]

Again, it allows you to melee stuff and gain stacks

[pastel yew]

only if you're not moving while meleeing

which sounds

[serene bough]

Its very good for ilas

[pastel yew]

pretty grief

[tired scarab]

not moving with melee is not good

[pastel yew]

I can definitely see it being aight on the ilas

[serene bough]

Pushes multiple breakpoints

[wanton dawn]

I don't move much with PS

[pastel yew]

I'll have to damage test at some point

[serene bough]

IIb w/ 3 stacks of MF pushes 6 breakpoints iirc

[wanton dawn]

Anyway, haven't play MF since surv nerf

[pastel yew]

its just sorta sad that focus target is usually better

[serene bough]

All gunners elites + scab stalker + dreg shooter

[pastel yew]

whats mf got to do with survivalist though?

[tired scarab]

focus target is so nice

[serene bough]

(25% flak + 10% elite)

[pastel yew]

outside of them like.. sharing a line Ig, you're always going to get things from the bottom left anyway

[wanton dawn]

You need ammo to use MF 🤷

[pastel yew]

nah I wouldnt say so, no more than you're already using

and in regular play its basically impossible to run out of ammo if you're going for headshots anyway since they're so plentiful

[wanton dawn]

Well, considering neither MF, exe and surv give you things in melee

nor the support node

[pastel yew]

not on their own no, but you do get precision strikes and superiority complex which both apply

[serene bough]

Depends on your weapon i guess but ilas is pretty efficient on ammo

If I don't grab surv I'll at least grab shocktroop

[wanton dawn]

Well, every build can get precision strike and superiority

[pastel yew]

shock trooper my beloved

infinite dakka

[serene bough]

I havrnt bothered trying IAG w/ MF even though people say jt works well

[wanton dawn]

I did manage to get one 1m with CIAG MF, though I ate all the ammo from the map

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean its just a straight dps increase

[wanton dawn]

it was fun

[pastel yew]

and you never don't have stacks

[wanton dawn]

People were crying about the MF achievement, I breeze through it

[pastel yew]

not super keen on that weapon for vet tho

[wanton dawn]

People "are" crying about the MF achievement

[little vortex]

the one time i had a MF/exe build i didn't hate it was a vigilant autogun build because that split the difference between high enough ROF to be not garbage and high enough finesse damage to benefit from the talents

i imagine ilas would be similar but maybe less greedy due to shocktroop

[wanton dawn]

It does not stack well at high diff sadly

[little vortex]

hence why i hate most of the builds i tried

[wanton dawn]

Also, it is better with autogun rather than lasgun

[serene bough]

IIb and VII don't have great finese scaling, but they both sit just under a few breakpoints which MF pushes over

[pastel yew]

still though, I think it's pretty ideal on the recon lasgun

it's just a niche pick

[wanton dawn]

Well, I played MF with deadshot so...

[pastel yew]

based

deadshot my beloved

[serene bough]

Admittedly I havent tried the VII much

[wanton dawn]

I am not playing deadshot on recon

[serene bough]

I almost always bring the IIb

[pastel yew]

man if the vii had surgical

I'd be so happy

its such a shame it doesnt

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, I don't like recon anyway

[serene bough]

Same

[pastel yew]

its in the plasma gun tier of enjoyment for me

just a head empty vibe gun

clicking heads

[serene bough]

Dont like plasma either lol

I miss when plasma actually had risk baked into it and used charge shots

[wanton dawn]

My fav is still bolter

[serene bough]

Now it's just an M1 snoozer

[pastel yew]

tbf I dont think the plasma gun would be any more interesting with risk

as it'd just be psyker perils

which imo people really overstress their management

[serene bough]

It used to do HP damage

[pastel yew]

its not that hard

not a lot of hp damage though

I think that was mostly removed as it put people off

the main 0 risk element of the gun is that it generates no heat

[serene bough]

It was enough chip to consider HP as a resource

[pastel yew]

8 uncharged shots without vent, or up to 11 with the blessing

[serene bough]

But back then plasma was nowhere near as potent

[wanton dawn]

Then it got 100 cleave and the rest is history

[serene bough]

Yep

[pastel yew]

idk like

the cleave is nice

[terse idol]

Now to be faaaiirr

[pastel yew]

but I really dont think its that big of a deal compared to entering a room and rapidly clicking 8 heads

with next to no down time or ammo cost

[terse idol]

Agile engagement is like half of it

[pastel yew]

it just puts out too many shits

[wanton dawn]

Well, compare to bolter pre-buff with no cleave

[terse idol]

Dip once into agile

[wanton dawn]

Turn out actually reaching your target is nice

[pastel yew]

all of your targets are taller than plebs

stop bein so short 🫵

[serene bough]

Bolters doing hilariously bad infected dmg was fun too

[pastel yew]

god I hated that for the bolt pistol though

you'd knock a dog around and do no damage to it

[serene bough]

Why dogs ate so many bolt rounds and did not die was crazy

[pastel yew]

they recoil so much on getting hit

yeah you needed deadly accurate to one shot them

it was silly

[tired scarab]

dogs seem almost immortal sometimes

[pastel yew]

they living their best lives

I've not actually tried the regular bolter really since it got buffed

how much changed?

[wanton dawn]

QoL

[pastel yew]

the bolt pistol buffs were effectively just quality of life

[terse idol]

Feels smoother

[pastel yew]

mmh

[terse idol]

Has more ammo

[pastel yew]

I've noticed a heavy uptick in bolter vets

using literally all of the ammo on the map

of late

[tired scarab]

bistol with vet is really funny

[wanton dawn]

I can use it in maelstrom. Not in havoc though

[pastel yew]

bistol is unironically probably my favourite vet weapon

its so versatile

[terse idol]

Saame

[pastel yew]

good marksman weapon, good speed weapon

I cant believe people were saying it was garbage on release

[serene bough]

Using a bolter reminds me why I love the ilas so much

[tired scarab]

pick off a sniper with the bistol and get back to horde clear

[wanton dawn]

Tbf I test my build in maelstrom

[tired scarab]

or jsut headshot a crusher

[serene bough]

15 round mags vs 70+

[wanton dawn]

Eh, kinda was

[pastel yew]

nah

[terse idol]

The ads was worse

[pastel yew]

I dont think its received like any changes

[pastel yew]

the ads bug is still in the game btw

[terse idol]

And the breakpoints are still verrry tight

Oh

[pastel yew]

it was definitely worse

[wanton dawn]

Err, 1-cleave, ads smoothed up

[pastel yew]

but they just cheesed a solution by reducing the recoil

like

rough

[wanton dawn]

1-Cleave increase is not a small buff

[pastel yew]

though the aim snapping really wasnt that bad before

and I also dont really value the cleave that much I'll be honest

like I said, everything you're shooting is taller than anything in the way

its nice for when you're hipfiring but thats about it

[serene bough]

Cleave to bolter was 100% the best buff it recieved

Having your shot canceled by a stray poxie or common enemy was so irritating

[pastel yew]

I thought it had its reload speed buffed

but

you still cant reload with exec stance

you still need a reload talent boowomp

[wanton dawn]

No cleave meant it was useless for low to mid range fight

Can't reach specialist

It was bad

[pastel yew]

we using different weapons

[wanton dawn]

I tried to make it work, it was just worse bolter

[pastel yew]

maybe its just because I always have my vet max height but

[wanton dawn]

I am max heigh

[pastel yew]

idk then

I've never really found it being an issue with things getting in the way

[serene bough]

It was definitely an issue

[pastel yew]

the bolt pistol was a better marksman weapon as you could run deadly accurate to meet one shot breakpoints on pretty much everything including dogs

[tired scarab]

speaking of height what exactly does it do (aside from moving your camera)

[pastel yew]

but since the changes you dont really need it if you have other damage amp to kill ragers

[serene bough]

Thats all basically

[pastel yew]

bolt pistol is a far better weapon than the bolter though, mostly because its focussed on one task rather than being an ammo hungry generalist

[wanton dawn]

Change your hitbox a bit

[serene bough]

My vet is a short king

[pastel yew]

makes your hitbox bigger too

[tired scarab]

i see

[pastel yew]

so you can get shot over the top of things

not that cover really makes much difference

[wanton dawn]

I'd argue but I haven't tested new boltpistol

[pastel yew]

generally though I run tall characters for range focus, and short for melee

so that the vets can see better

[wanton dawn]

Also rarely see good bolter play anyway

[tired scarab]

i've gotten hit behind cover when using tall characters so that's one reason i don't do max height

[pastel yew]

its basically the same outside of better infested. it's the same weapon as the boltgun just has a slightly worse surgical time

better reload

better move speed

better swap speed

the only downside is no full auto

which I dont really care for outside of funny exec stance builds anyway

[wanton dawn]

Meh, I judge from drawbacks

[pastel yew]

it doesnt really have any?

compared to the boltgun which has loads

[wanton dawn]

Well, it does

Worse ads for one

[pastel yew]

the only drawback vs the boltgun is the lack of full auto

[wanton dawn]

worse back-to-neutral

[pastel yew]

worse ads?

[tired scarab]

aim down sights

[pastel yew]

no I know the acronym just

[tired scarab]

ah

[pastel yew]

confused as to how its worse

[tired scarab]

i agree there

[pastel yew]

given I'm pretty sure it's ads is faster

[thorn lark]

Not my problem if nobody is taking the ammo I ping. Also, I am a bit of a killing whore with the bolter.

[pastel yew]

lmao

I mean its not really affecting me I only ever really run ammo effecient builds

though most of these vets are not pinging ammo

[wanton dawn]

I want to play bolter now. Am gonna check auric

[pastel yew]

I've had one or two literally steal the ammo from a box I just opened through me before

[thorn lark]

I am mindfuld of others. Like if there's a gun lugger: 1. I take survivalist. 2. I will let him slurp.

[pastel yew]

brother can find his own ammo

[thorn lark]

Lmao asshole

[pastel yew]

I'd be way more chill on running survivalist if it wasnt so expensive in most builds

[thorn lark]

Yeah... But well. Havocs..

[pastel yew]

I'd run it in havoc

but my havoc set up is willing to sacrifice other things

usually the keystone

but in regular auric play I dont really want to drop damage for it

also that reminds me I need to do my weekly havocc

booo

I'm pretty sure it resets tomorrow

Ive not been able to get my premade together

[thorn lark]

Shredder I just above so...

[terse idol]

You can use the secret mechanic of

[wanton dawn]

maybe I should try puncture on bolter

[terse idol]

Hugging a piece of cover and aiming over it

That you don't as being tall

[pastel yew]

only really my zealot that I keep short ;p

lil tiny lass so they can see over my head

puncture on bolter I imagine is.. fine?

I dont really know the bolter set up break points

[thorn lark]

Shattering puncture has yielded good results for me on zealot and vet

[wanton dawn]

Me no test bp

me stack bullshit

and pray

[terse idol]

Bistol with puncture and LP

[pastel yew]

no testing bp with weapons like that sounds like a sure fire way to feel pain

the difference between 2 shots to kill and 1 is huge

I still hate puncture for making breakpoints though

giga gross

would rather run surgical

surgical deadshot 🤤

[thorn lark]

That's the blessing enhancing shredders right?

[terse idol]

It is just better however for bistol

Since it enables the funni bp

[pastel yew]

yeah lethal proximity

[terse idol]

For dredge gunners

One tap head bleed out in 0.1 seconds

[pastel yew]

lmao

[thorn lark]

Focus target shat puncture is funny

[pastel yew]

those are acceptable times for dot breakpoints

no waiting...

[thorn lark]

You can often just let them bleed to death

[terse idol]

I'm also used to double tapping 😭

So its weird

[pastel yew]

I'm running weapon spec + agile and

it lets you hipfire one shot them to chest

very satisfying

cowboy draw across the map

its a shame the swap speed on the bolt pistol is still so chunky though

need the swap speed talent to not cry

[thorn lark]

You can anim cancel with shout tho

[pastel yew]

I don't got that many shouts ;-;

[thorn lark]

How so??

[pastel yew]

because you're swapping frequently

[thorn lark]

Ohhh

[pastel yew]

agile + weapon specialist

[high mulch]

Thanks everybpdy for the tips on keybinds👏🏽

[paper trellis]

why the fuck is it so hard to get a party that isn't just running around like headless chickens

out of the last 12 missions i've played 1 of those parties stayed together

[wanton dawn]

Ah, boltpistol is way better than at release

[violet wyvern]

heavy sword any good

[hollow ibex]

yes

[pastel yew]

havoc or normal play?

if normal play then

LOOOOOOOOOOOT

if havoc then no idea

[paper trellis]

normal. Farming auric

[pastel yew]

yeah then just to get loot

[paper trellis]

need more mats

i'm talking about in combat and in general, people are all going solo and refuse to work together

and god forbid i get downed or netted even with them right next to me, getting raised is a rare treat

[pastel yew]

mmh I have no idea really like

I do think most of the time its better to split a bit unless things have gone real wrong

but if you're not using that extra space to kill shit it does defeat the point

[violet wyvern]

my problem rn is going one direction, being the one heading the run, and turning around to see all 3 teammates have decided to go another route

like ???

these motherfuckers do NOT have ur back

[pastel yew]

tbf them not having your back gives you room to grow

sorta hard to identify and correct mistakes you make if you have someone covering for you constantly

least that's how I see it

maybe I'm just too silver lining pilled

[violet wyvern]

im already big and grown

these guys r just being silly

[pastel yew]

nah

I dont really agree, there's always more ways to improve in darktide

[violet wyvern]

ok

👍

[pastel yew]

it's just one of those games there are so many decisions you get forced to make constantly

I dont think there will ever be a point where I can't improve

note this isnt me saying you're shit, this is just me saying theres no way you have nothing to improve upon

[violet wyvern]

idk

team game

wanna play like a team!

[pastel yew]

part of that falls on you too though, be aware of where they're at ;p

[violet wyvern]

ok

[pastel yew]

or play havoc if you can stomach the shitty party finder

[paper trellis]

it is important to fix your flaws so you can be competent, but when i'm having to solo half of the damn horde because my team went in 3 different directions, it's really frustrating

especially when it keeps on happening

[violet wyvern]

idk what the hell havoc is yet i just hopped back in since the carnival

[hollow ibex]

when i'm soloing the horde, it just means more damage for me 😋

[pastel yew]

its uhh... sort of like alt universe auric I guess

[hollow ibex]

waiter waiter more heretics please

[pastel yew]

or like a leveled maelstrom

1-40

getting progressively harder

[paper trellis]

the realm of bleed and fire

[pastel yew]

with a set of unique conditions

[pastel yew]

seconding this but I'm a masochist I love high stress games

dropping in quickplay with everyone dead is peak darktide

[formal ice]

Vuturan

[orchid hemlock]

for havoc is it precog + agile for the DS?

[pastel pumice]

i use uncanny and riposte

riposte is personal pref

I like dodging a lot

[tall torrent]

Uncanny + agile is safest

[pastel pumice]

@tall torrent

Do you prefer Elite or Unarmored

[tall torrent]

On what

[pastel pumice]

On rashad

[orchid hemlock]

Gotcha

[tall torrent]

I prefer elite

[pastel pumice]

My bad, I deleted the word for some reason

Alright

I have Carapace already

[orchid hemlock]

I'm talking about Havoc

[pastel pumice]

For blessings i have uhh

Brutal and head

That good too?

[orchid hemlock]

Yes in all other game modes I would go riposte/uncanny

[pastel pumice]

yeah i use riposte for havoc

thats me though

agile is better now that im looking at it harder

[orchid hemlock]

Agile is mostly to stop the fading light from one shotting you while dodging inside a horde

[tall torrent]

Elite gives some new breakpoints depending on build

[orchid hemlock]

It's cringe brc the damage output isn't goof

[tall torrent]

Like, you could get reduced dreg rager TTK if u run marksman + CQKZ (3 in havoc, 3 in regular)

[pastel pumice]

youre right i need to let go of my critical chance addiction

[tall torrent]

U could 4 hit non-crit maulers in havoc

[orchid hemlock]

Also in Havoc, the majority of damage will be from your flamer staff and flamer zealots

[tall torrent]

And elite still gives u Dreg gunner 2HS (regular) with max headtaker stacks

[orchid hemlock]

Because infinite cleave is broken

[pastel pumice]

This is a breakthrough.

[orchid hemlock]

It's funny that Havoc rly is centered around protecting your psyker

[tall torrent]

Which is lore accurate

[pastel pumice]

Which is goated

[orchid hemlock]

Vets kill the things too far for the Psyker to kill, Zealots kill the crushers that purge staff is weak against

[dark crypt]

I'm on the "On Overwatch" and "Make Every Shot Count" grind and I'm losing my mind

[pastel pumice]

Do an LFG

Better than randoms you find in party finder

[tall torrent]

@narrow frost

[narrow frost]

Do you want to cheese Overwatch? Or do it normally

and for Make every shot count. I can just give tips

[dark crypt]

uhh

preferably normally but I'd like to hear the cheese method

[smoky kite]

jump off a ledge

[narrow frost]

you jump off the map

I speed run

[smoky kite]

cant get hit by melee if you dont exist

[narrow frost]

I can finish the map in like 7 min

[pastel pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-man-guy-evil-whisper-gif-16225917572032847521

[smoky kite]

as far as make every shot count just run a revolver and shoot only into hordes

[dark crypt]

and make sure nobody has scavenger/survivalist

[smoky kite]

^

[pastel pumice]

any gun with low ammo count and semi auto is preferred

boltgun was my choice

[tall torrent]

MESC with Boltgun is insane

Do it with double barrel shotgun

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[narrow frost]

and plasma

[pastel pumice]

So good...

[queen fox]

Only until fatshark applies the dmg reduction to flames

[willow dome]

Is it more effective building a charging build for plasma gun or spam fire?

[crisp oak]

Make every count, use plasma

[tall torrent]

Don’t charge shot basically ever

[crisp oak]

Ensure no survivalist

Charge shot hordes to waste ammo

(Only suggest plasma because nulwarks)

[willow dome]

Yeah it has felt like this, thanks

[crisp oak]

Unless you are wasting ammo for make every shot count

I got killed in my make every shot count run (glitched bon wallhack nom) so had to empty the mag again.

[gilded wraith]

The severe ammo limitations in havoc annoy me. It seems like there could be a design to it that limited each class somewhat proportionally.

[raw needle]

can't even say for sure what's more unbalanced, the classes or havoc ngl

[silver yoke]

For more melee oriented veteran's whats the optimal choice for weapons?
I like the revolver but i fear it can fall of very quickly compared to its competitors.
And as for melee I have no idea where to start

[latent parcel]

I like the psword dueling sword mk4 and the rashad but its users choice

[silver yoke]

I really dont understand the charge up mechanics and when to use them on the Chain/power weapons.
It just feels....slow

[heavy rover]

I've switched from recon lasgun to infantry lasgun for ammo efficiency

[silver yoke]

Bolt Pistol seems great against armored targets.

Shredder, idk about the shredder. it seems...okay.

i love the sound design/handling tho

Bolt gun looks too heavy for my tastes, so Bolt Pistol then?

alright bolt pistol it is.
now we just need to figure out what melee I like.

[bitter turtle]

It's centered around protecting me >:(

[orchid hemlock]

ok

[broken trellis]

I think the chainsword is a classic, and bespoke. But I think right now the duelling sword is a favorite among most

Axe just doesnt feel right to me, shock maul is a fun one

bit clunky but it feels right

[silver yoke]

What's a fast light (or mediumish) melee that's a good generalist option.
I like to be able to deal with hordes armor and singletarget.
Is there truly a melee that can do it all?

[silver yoke]

i have been looking at the shock maul...i just hear it falls off but idk.

[orchid hemlock]

Rashad

[wooden stirrup]

Is it just me or do I never see any vets use the power sword anymore?

[broken trellis]

I wonder why?

[silver yoke]

Shock Maul has such a nice easy to understand combo i love that about it

[orchid hemlock]

problem with SM is that it doesn't deal with bosses or mixed hordes well

[silver yoke]

The combat axe does sound good, the combos for it are just really weird for me

[orchid hemlock]

how, it's lights forhordes, heavies for overheads

actually it has a more simpler combo than the CS

to stun maniacs you just push attack

[broken trellis]

I'm going to be honest, I havent paid any attention to combos.

[silver yoke]

well no one told me what the good combo is.
I thought it was some weird light light heavy push combo

No weapon in this game will ever replicate the enjoyment I derived from Tome and Hammer.

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent has a video on how to deal with bosses too

[silver yoke]

What is the point of the Combat Axe Special attack?
whats it do

[orchid hemlock]

No, you don't even use the alt attack unless you are out of stamina

[broken trellis]

I dont see much heavy sword either for vet

[tame lodge]

Stagger

[orchid hemlock]

It stuns ragers

[silver yoke]

why

[orchid hemlock]

Because the push attack also stuns ragers and has infinite cleave

[tall torrent]

What is this bs

“Infinite cleave”
???

[broken trellis]

Gonna get a power sword to play around with, anyone know what dump stat is best for vet power sword?

[tall torrent]

Cleave target

[broken trellis]

Thanks

[orchid hemlock]

Doesn't it have infinite cleave?

[tall torrent]

?????????????????

Since when is 8 equal to ∞

[silver yoke]

im playing around with the chain axe and it feels so good.
but im worried it just will suck at horde clear

[orchid hemlock]

It's time to use the better axe

[silver yoke]

why combat axe over tactical axe?

[tame lodge]

Caxe does taxe better

Apart from attack speed

[orchid hemlock]

Tac axe loves attack speed, so it's strong on Zealot, not on Vet

[silver yoke]

So what is Caxe the generalist jack of all trades Vet weapon I'm looking for?

[orchid hemlock]

Yes, but u want Desperado and trench on it

[silver yoke]

which one is trench again

[tall torrent]

It’s close

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ?si=yBZUhnn9DafGAZt8

[silver yoke]

oh yeah we got it

thats the build i got

[orchid hemlock]

Here is an example build with it:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[crisp oak]

As a member of faze clan (I am Faze Deez) I approve this build

[silver yoke]

thats karking beautiful whoever that player is im in love

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent shoe the extremely difficult boss combo

[silver yoke]

But why Rashad?

[broken trellis]

Playing with the power sword in psykanium, not so sure how I like it

[orchid hemlock]

Why not Rashad

[silver yoke]

I mean i will say is there a downside to using the Rashad Caxe as opposed to something else?
It looks great here. But what do we lose?

[crisp oak]

Nothing really

[silver yoke]

damn....

[crisp oak]

Some of the other axes have slightly better horde cleave

But the rashad makes you feel like a fireman

[silver yoke]

i mean if it can do everything...and I want to do everything....

[tall torrent]

You lose talent points

[crisp oak]

Oh yeah that

Anyway I like the knife

[silver yoke]

Ah. There it is.
I mean i have desperado and Trench. So im mostly good

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah Rashad isn't that good without trench

[crisp oak]

Does trench effect the thrust timings stacking?

[silver yoke]

what about managing stamina with the Rashad?
Is it good with Invigorated?
Get some stamina regen taletn?

[orchid hemlock]

Why do u need stamina?

[silver yoke]

im paranoid

[crisp oak]

Paranoia is a healthy mind, anyway shpuldnt be running out of stamina

[orchid hemlock]

Ussually stamina is only viable for weapons like deadshot or the mk6 knife where you spam push attacks

[crisp oak]

I still dont know the difference between the knives

[silver yoke]

I asked this before but ill ask again.
At least for the Rashad.
If you had to pick invigorated or Stamina regen boost.
what would you? assuming it was just one or the other.

[orchid hemlock]

I don't take anything stamina related on Vet except for that node at the top u take anyways

I do take 3 SE on the curios however

[silver yoke]

Yeah but if you had too then what.
hypothetically

[orchid hemlock]

It's a waste of a talent unless you are going a deadshot build or the mk6 knife

So neither

[silver yoke]

Is Serrated blade worth it?

[orchid hemlock]

Serrated is only if you are doing a specific mercy knife build

Other than that, no imo

[silver yoke]

Its cause im running a build which i can predict would cause someone to be dissapointed.
and i have one whole talent point left

i dont know where to put it

[orchid hemlock]

To put it into perspective, if you were to give a crusher 16 stacks of bleed, assuming they have no other debuff on them, it will take 3 minutes to kill them

[silver yoke]

Is On Your Toes even effective?

hmm

[orchid hemlock]

I dont think I have ever used that talent in any build

ig it can be useful for a born leader build

[gilded wraith]

Odd question, does each hit with serrated count as an extra hit?

[silver yoke]

true

[orchid hemlock]

no

but it does count to proc mercy

[gilded wraith]

Curious how it interacts with on hit blessings and talents.

[terse idol]

It just applies a dot

like your hit is your first melee hit, which applies an on-hit affect

It doesn't interact with say, that one talent that rends armour

[orchid hemlock]

yeah uncanny doesn't get 2 procs

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, so no cheesing onslaught.

[orchid hemlock]

onslaught imo only works on Recon lasguns, everything else is not worth even attempting

[gilded wraith]

Yeah, just trying to think of applications for spamming the taxe 3 push special attack.

[orchid hemlock]

u also dont need onslaught on the knife because uncanny exists and you already have good armor pen on heads

[gilded wraith]

I hoped serrated was a separate "hit".

[silver yoke]

tbh i just dont see the point of onslaught and exploit weakness

[topaz hollow]

onslaught is subpar and its already been buffed once already

[gilded wraith]

Taxe makes me want to try them, but I've never had much luck.

[orchid hemlock]

exploit is prob one of the worste nodes on the entire tree, but onslaught is good if you do something like this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[topaz hollow]

atleast the perk

[silver yoke]

Okay so I'm going to be running the Bolt Pistol and Rashad together.
now what skills and i looking for

[orchid hemlock]

i already gave u a build earlier, just switch the vraks with the pistol and drop the 5% crit chance

[silver yoke]

oh thanks.
Those curios too?

[orchid hemlock]

curios are more personal preference, but yes I would use those for like 95% of all my vet builds

[silver yoke]

well what curios are "viable"
and so what just go for all damage buffs for the weapons?

[orchid hemlock]

for bolt pistol I would prob do something like this:

[tame lodge]

Lots of tg replenish on a normal build already

[orchid hemlock]

i mean I ran those curios in that build on Havoc 40

[silver yoke]

I mean you're right. I just dont really know what else I'd use lmfao. I like melee

so for Bolt Pistol
just look for
unarmored damage
and armored damage. sounds good

[orchid hemlock]

here are the recommendations for bolt pistol:

[silver yoke]

I'm just gonna admit I have no idea how to use Hadron.

[little vortex]

you don't use hadron

hadron uses you

varlet.

[silver yoke]

thank you Hadron?

I want the backpack from hadron but im waiting for it to go into rotation

i like it

Its helping Hadron :)

somehow.....

[little vortex]

no admech cosmetics have ever been sold afaik

[silver yoke]

well the wiki says theres a backpack
its from Hadron apparently

im just waiting to see if its real

Why brutal momentum and headtaker?

i mean the other ones do sound kinda bad ngl...

[ancient path]

Momentum can help with axes wave clear i feel

Also finesse weapon with headshot bonus

Headtaker is just a no nonsense buff

hit something , get buff

[silver yoke]

why maniac damage of all things?

Puncture sounds kinda useless imo

Lethal Proximity sounds crazy

Run and Gun, i mean sounds like the only really good one available

[tacit sonnet]

Half the specials in this game are maniac

I usually take maniac flak

So +25% maniac damage is more like +25% dreg rager and specials damage

[silver yoke]

I mean it sounds good i just have a minor aversion to specificity

[tacit sonnet]

I don't like puncture, it's bad imo, but there aren't really any amazing blessings and puncture helps with some breakpoints

[little vortex]

bro

fatshark is notorious for explaining their game mechanics very very poorly so having questions is not weird

but these are very simple questions you could answer by trying things out either in the psykhanium or just on a difficulty you're already confident on

[silver yoke]

well asking here is easier

[tacit sonnet]

I don't know what is he going to get from shooting shit in psykanium

[little vortex]

armor types

you can literally just spray rounds and see how many things count as maniac

or whatever armor

[red patio]

I think if you hit someone in the psychanium it says what armor type they have

[little vortex]

it does

[tacit sonnet]

It does

[red patio]

Or you could Google the armor types

[little vortex]

you can also get used to how many hits it'll take to kill things on a given difficulty under average conditions, so you have a baseline expectation

[red patio]

And see what enemies have what armor type

[tall torrent]

Very effective, usually not necessary

[silver yoke]

thank you

[orchid hemlock]

all perks are based on breakpoints

maniac allows you to hit those breakpoints

[tacit sonnet]

well, not always

But most of the time

[crisp oak]

Is the breakpoint for ragers btw?

[little vortex]

i guess my point is like...

you paid money for the game, presumably. go play it. you will learn. just have a sense of what difficulty you can push without being The Load™️ and you'll be fine

[orchid hemlock]

headtaker is just free damage

BM works like this:

when you kill an enemy with a weakspot hit, it resets the cleave of the weapon

[silver yoke]

@little vortex
We all have to start somewhere. I'm new.
And I mean at least I'm trying to learn this stuff and taking the effort by coming here and reading.
instead of just winging it and going blind

[orchid hemlock]

rashad normally can only cleave thru 2 enemies

BM allows you to cleave up to 6

[silver yoke]

DAMN

[tacit sonnet]

6? I thought it was 4?

[tall torrent]

5

[orchid hemlock]

assuming every hit is a weakspot hit, yes it is possible to cleave thru 6 enemies

[little vortex]

if you're new, you do not have to be worrying about breakpoints yet.

go learn how to handle yourself in a clutch situation, how to dodge dance crushers and maulers, disabler audio cues, shit like that.

[tacit sonnet]

well, 4 cleave, 5 enemies

It should be 5 enemies total

[tall torrent]

That’s not how it works

[little vortex]

there's stuff you have to learn by doing that the channel can't tell you. not learning that shit will make you a liability to any party no matter how much number go up you commit to memory.

[tacit sonnet]

ok

[silver yoke]

I don't care. I want to start working on making a good build.
I reached Trust 30.
I can only go up.
Just....I want numbers....thats it....

I can learn game skill anytime on my own.
HERE
is where i learn THE NUMBERS

so yeah

[orchid hemlock]

again these are breakpoints, this means the number of bullets to take out a rager is less with maniac

[silver yoke]

yes thank you. and i appreciate it

i understand now

[orchid hemlock]

i dont think perks are that important on autoguns, but on weapons like pistols the difference of just one bullet is very valuable

[tacit sonnet]

I just checked, it's 5. With bm rashad can kill up to 5 enemies in one swing

[silver yoke]

Now I'm just not sure on whether i should use Puncture or Run & Gun

[little vortex]

look man i'm autistic i understand that numbers are important

but nobody thinks in numbers while playing

it's like learning an instrument or working out or whatever: you go until you notice you're plateauing and you need more information to start progressing again. if you're not losing more games than you're winning, push a new difficulty, then when you start doing aurics come back and sweat about numbers.

[silver yoke]

Okay 👍

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent does puncture alo proc from the explosion of lethal?

[tall torrent]

No

I literally have this in the guide

[silver yoke]

it is a very nice guide

[atomic wyvern]

gangg

oh @tall torrent

was your veteran i played with the other day claled warden?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[atomic wyvern]

or was it the other guy

yeah i need your axe build immediately

i have hostages

[silver yoke]

Run and Gun just sounds more useful than Puncture.
Does Puncture make the difference on Bolt Pistol for the breakpoints that good?
I plan on being close

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[atomic wyvern]

GIVE IT TO ME

[tall torrent]

Yes it helps

[silver yoke]

So what would you reccomend then?

[tall torrent]

Lethal proximity + puncture is best

[atomic wyvern]

have you got the gameslantern link perchance

[silver yoke]

I'll take your word for it boss.
What is the argument for Run and Gun however?

[fading widget]

I think if kurt cobain knew how satisfying it was to quickdraw your bolt pistol and hipfire dome a trapper, he would still be around

[tall torrent]

Make the gun feel better

[tall torrent]

What do u need other than talents

I’m too lazy to make a whole page lol

[atomic wyvern]

You should

it'd do well

[orchid hemlock]

the main benefit of run/gun is the crosshairs being tight

[tall torrent]

Nah

[atomic wyvern]

😔

come up with it yourself or?

[tall torrent]

I write guide

[atomic wyvern]

like now or you hav eone

[fading widget]

nice when is it coming out

[tall torrent]

There’s a guide pinned here already

[atomic wyvern]

o

[fading widget]

star citizen of veteran guides

[tall torrent]

It’s actually quite condensed

[hollow ibex]

the guide actually came out, unlike star citizen

[terse idol]

me as I'm climbing into to say

[silver yoke]

So better breakpoints
or comfort

I'll stick to puncture and try run and gun when I can.
Is the feel enough of an impact to make a difference or is it just a skill/practice thing.

Also whats better perk
Unarmored Damage
or
Elite Damage

[fading widget]

then why is it called WIP

[terse idol]

Puncture is better than RaG

[fading widget]

checkmate

[terse idol]

Simply because of the BP AND

[tall torrent]

For bolt pistol specifically, unarmored + maniac

[terse idol]

RaG is really...

Awkward

Since you gotta tap sprint and shoot off rounds to get the damage

[tall torrent]

The steam version of the same guide (but to be upgraded) is work in progress

[silver yoke]

Im gonna assume unarmored gives it more breakpoints than using Elite damage

[terse idol]

puncture you can just hit heads and it' smooths things out

[atomic wyvern]

oh i just remembered why i came back here

can soemone help me with the no melee dmg penance

[fading widget]

oh i see

[atomic wyvern]

🙏

[tall torrent]

Elite is not enough for Dreg gunner 1HS

[tall torrent]

@narrow frost

[fading widget]

or smoov off

[atomic wyvern]

the guide man

:horror:

[orchid hemlock]

play psyker 🧍🏻

[atomic wyvern]

its a veteran penance

[orchid hemlock]

ok and

[fading widget]

i once played psyker as a joke to style on the nerds

then i laughed and did a backflip into my Ferrari

[orchid hemlock]

I GOT A GLOCK IN MY RARI

[narrow frost]

Do you want to cheese it or do it normally?

[atomic wyvern]

define cheese it

[narrow frost]

you jump off the map I speedrun the rest of the mission

[fading widget]

cheese it
bop it
twist it

[narrow frost]

you get the penance

[atomic wyvern]

dependsss

i dont waste your time

but i would love to do that

[fading widget]

can i also join for this

[narrow frost]

It'll take like 7 min

[atomic wyvern]

to help or?

[fading widget]

no just to also get it

[atomic wyvern]

based

alr ainz send us ap arty code when ur ready

do we join a VC?

or do we just sit back and watch

[narrow frost]

finishing a moon in lethal

no need for vc

[atomic wyvern]

fair

im looking forwards to seeing what an acolyte can do solo on malice

unless you wanna bump up teh difficulty, up to u

[fading widget]

get on vent or ill have you bent

[atomic wyvern]

i do not consent

[silver yoke]

okay so use these combos
use unarmored perk

And only use special attack when out of stamina

[atomic wyvern]

whar

[silver yoke]

im reviewing notes

[heavy rover]

Wait that's hilarious

[atomic wyvern]

wanna come with?

[heavy rover]

Nah I'm good

[silver yoke]

Is bolt pistol better hipfire or ADS?

[atomic wyvern]

i saw @tall torrent style on a fucking sniper with hipfire like

across the map

so i imagine so

[silver yoke]

damn.

chad

[atomic wyvern]

like actually

ultrakill style points

https://tenor.com/view/skateboard-gif-17305249262840380186

^ type shit

[fading widget]

@atomic wyvern put your fs friend code in your name

escape > social > press E

[atomic wyvern]

ohhh thats how i do it

gimme a min im loading

wait you already in a party with ainz?

[fading widget]

oh wait i have it already lmao

[atomic wyvern]

i mean

[fading widget]

no but it will be easier for him to add you

[atomic wyvern]

might aswell come with for the funnies

did it

its time to darken the tide 🐺

[silver yoke]

Unarmored damage just seems like a better choice than elite damage always

[atomic wyvern]

@narrow frost lmk when ur ready

im gonna go make some ingame purchases rq 🤑

[narrow frost]

Getting on now

[fading widget]

i can help but if you wanna just racecar it i think ill just slow you down

[narrow frost]

we're just speedrunning

[atomic wyvern]

we waiting for anyone else or

[tall torrent]

Not exactly

Elite applies to more enemies and can be good

But for weapons with slow firerate & high damage it’s usually best to invest in damage breakpoints

Elite still needs focus target to meet breakpoints whereas unarmored gives u Dreg gunner 1HS without the need for that specific keystone so you can run weapon specialist

[silver yoke]

So then use unarmored for Rashad because of its slow firerate and highish damage?

[tall torrent]

Rashad runs carapace + elite/unarmored, it depends on what u like more

[silver yoke]

well i don run focus target so i think im gonna go with unarmored

hmmm

[tall torrent]

Havoc build for Rashad is different tho

[silver yoke]

of course it is lmfao

[tall torrent]

Yea well, x1.5 health for elite & specialists change things around a bit

For havoc it’s just carapace + elite

Unarmored still doesn’t give infected 21st groaners 1HS without crits so it’s not worth imo

Elite gives like 3 extra breakpoints

[silver yoke]

well if im not running rending strikes, and want to be good in havoc, then go for elite?

[tall torrent]

This is for havoc

[silver yoke]

got it.

[tall torrent]

Pink circles are stuff that depends on preference/gun choice

[silver yoke]

Unramored needs rending
otherwise go elite
got it

[tall torrent]

for base game yea pretty much

[primal zealot]

Wait since when does rending affect unarmored ?

[silver yoke]

ive spent so much time talking here the shop has had time to reset

@tall torrent you are a treasure and valued asset not only to the inquisition but to the entire imperium

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[tall torrent]

rending on rashad is for carapace

it matters only for carapace but it's like 100 extra dmg

which changes breakpoints

@atomic wyvern u might want to change that recon lasgun's blessings

[rustic beacon]

How come top right is the go-to for havoc?

[tall torrent]

faster frag throw
gain toughness from every enemy (shooters are dangerous)
5% move speed is better than 1 stamina usually

middle is also good and if u prefer it u can run it

[rustic beacon]

Hmh I see, so the swap speed also affects grenades? Didn‘t know that, but makes sense. Ty!

[bitter turtle]

I always top right

[silver yoke]

i didnt feel like typing

[tall torrent]

sprint efficiency is good for veteran

[silver yoke]

over the other stamina options?

[tall torrent]

like what

[silver yoke]

stamina regen speed?

[tall torrent]

it only affects regen rate

not regen delay

veteran has the slowest base regen delay at 1s

unless u take at least 1 talent that reduces this, stam regen rate is not as impactful overall

[silver yoke]

I mean I do bring 1 talent point of regen delay
or is sprint efficiency just always the better option?

[tall torrent]

I think stam regen delay reduction is not necessary outside of knife

[silver yoke]

i mean thats a fair point.
if you manage your stamina right you shouldnt need it.

[half flax]

Anyone else think the standard lasgun feels like crap to shoot? Feels like a nerf gun to shoot and reload

[tall torrent]

Infantry Lasguns? They need headshot to do acceptable damage

[half flax]

Nah its not their damage. It’s their sounds

[tall torrent]

Which variant

[crisp oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3QpmpMMu30 wish our lasguns had squiggly tracers

[half flax]

The very first one you get. I think its called infantry lasgun. It sounds like its made of cardboard

[tawny timber]

it's my favorite gun to use

[atomic wyvern]

hey what gun do yall reccomend for the uhh

Make Every Shot Count penance

[west bronze]

Go with something that has low mag capacity

[atomic wyvern]

would shotugns count

[west bronze]

Like a shotgun

I imagine they would

[atomic wyvern]

thing is i dunno if it classes as like multiple pellets or not

[west bronze]

Its what i plan to do when i try for that penance

[atomic wyvern]

when do you plan on doing it?

[west bronze]

Nah as long as the last bullet kills something it should count

[atomic wyvern]

i think ill just us ethe revolver

only need

90% acc

ill let you know how it goes im gonna try it now

[west bronze]

Aww fuck your right i forgot about the accuracy part

[ancient path]

this person is clearly good at darktide but jesus christ how many mods do you need to play

https://youtu.be/AyD0OEUiYJA?t=190

[atomic wyvern]

got a co-operative team, killed myself to reduce ammo

going well SO far

[ancient path]

like jees

even modded out the flamer's flames

[atomic wyvern]

what mod gives

boss hp number

[ancient path]

i have no fucking clue, man

i play with weapon customization, custom ui, and numerical ui

[crisp oak]

hmmm, free true survivor

[ancient path]

gamers be crying about game UIs now a days but then mod their ui to bel ike

[crisp oak]

that looks like a dima wallhacks config

[steady wolf]

now THIS looks crazy overpowered

[atomic wyvern]

imagine a full 80% gun

🤤

[steady wolf]

I'd rather 0 collat AND 0 mobility, rest 80.

[atomic wyvern]

based

yeah didnt work

my aims shit

actually

@west bronze just had an idea

p l a s m a g u n

[torpid quail]

adept assassin

More like adept ASSASSin this penance is tedious

[atomic wyvern]

stealth perk 😔

anyone fancy helping me out with the penance

cant do fuckall on pubs because they keep killing the scabs the nanosecond before i shoot 😭

[tall torrent]

I can help

[atomic wyvern]

awesome

wanna do it private or?

[tall torrent]

Vc?

Sure

[atomic wyvern]

sure, wont talk like last time tho

00:16 and i like my head attached to my shoulders

2s open

[tall torrent]

u weren't talking last time either

[atomic wyvern]

yeah like i wont talk like i didnt talk last time

[gleaming turtle]

Which PS is used to do the push stab again?

[hollow ibex]

mk6

[gleaming turtle]

kk

What blessings go on Plasma these days?

I assume perks are still Flak/Cara.

[tame lodge]

Gets Hot and Rising Heat

Don't remember the perks so sorry about those

[gleaming turtle]

What trinkets are people bringing? For some reason I was running two stam and one tough the last time I tinkered with my Vet.

[hearty spoke]

Havoc veteran advice: what's your preferred firearm? I'm running bolter, but wanna try something else

[gleaming turtle]

AFAIK it's Plasma Gun every time.

Or Las Pistol?

I saw someone mention that.

Due to the low ammo count and scavenger.

[tame lodge]

Or a Ilas

PHS tanks plasma

Plasma not the best at anti ranged duty

You'll be bullied by shooters

More times than you'd like

[gleaming turtle]

What the hell does this mean?

[fading yarrow]

AAAAAAAGGGHH.

[gleaming turtle]

Single target: [SP → BC → s.PA → s.L4 → s.L1]

I just used to do Special Activation, block, poke, repeat.

[fading yarrow]

Zero-deaths Havoc 35 complete, first try

I need a nap

[hollow ibex]

special action -> block cancel -> special push attack -> special light 4 -> special light 1

basically what you're doing but with lights

[gleaming turtle]

Isn't double push a lot faster that reactivate and two lights?

than*

[hollow ibex]

after the poke you can still string 2 empowered lights

so that's what that chain is

you're not re-activating within that chain

[gleaming turtle]

Uhhhh... activation falls off after the special push.

[hollow ibex]

it shouldn't, i haven't used ps in a while but you should be able to poke and then have the strikedown light come right after

yeah just did it

[gleaming turtle]

Huh...

Okay, whatever. If it works, it works.

Not going to argue with almost 1k extra DPS

I just remember distinctly that it used to drop back in the day when people first figured it out.

[tall torrent]

Special action
Block cancel
Energized push attack
Energized 4th light attack
Energized 1st light attack

[tall torrent]

Nah

Unarmored + flak

[gleaming turtle]

Why unarmored?

[vale wraith]

Bolt pistol for me, works really good for gunner stagger.

[tall torrent]

Dreg gunner & Tox bomber

[gleaming turtle]

Needed to one shot them?

[atomic wyvern]

me and my homies HATE dreg gunners

[gleaming turtle]

Like base no stacks on BA and so forth?

[tall torrent]

Yea

Or elite

With superiority complex

With focus target

[gleaming turtle]

I assume you're the guy who wrote the doc in the pinned.

[tall torrent]

Yea

[gleaming turtle]

How do we get proper PG rolls these days?

[tall torrent]

Get really lucky

[gleaming turtle]

Now that Brunt's been... Brunt'ed

Gonna be honest, never seen anything go above a few points in one direction or another. Feels like you might need to drop like 5 mil to even get a chance at seeing it.

[tall torrent]

just a matter of luck and investment

it's possible

[gleaming turtle]

I believe it, I just don't main Vet.

He's my third least played class.

I am just doing him for penances.

[tall torrent]

Then u don’t rly need to worry about plasma gun rolls

[gleaming turtle]

Just a question.

Why not BA + Gets Hot! like it used to be?

That was the meta.

How does RH scale better?

[tall torrent]

Because rising heat is easier to maintain and hits breakpoints for u

And before then gloryhunter was kinda just better too

[gleaming turtle]

Gonna be honest, I remap my reticle on the PG to something else (can't remember what it was) that used to let me fire nonstop and always weak spot hit because it was just a broken combo compared to the base reticle the game provides.

So I would easily keep five stacks of BA going whenever there was stuff on the screen.

I'll mess around with RH though because it can't hurt. It's a new blessing.

[tall torrent]

This actually just doesn’t happen

As soon as u vent, blaze away stacks are gone

So you only really get huge benefit from it if you’re mostly magdumping from low heat

And if u really like blaze away

The better option rn is blaze away + optimized cooling

[gleaming turtle]

Damn, you can't stagger Bulwarks with the PG anymore?

[tall torrent]

U can
Just not through shield

[gleaming turtle]

And that's the problem

I was used to being able to crack them open with two shots to the shield and a third to the head while they staggere

d

[tall torrent]

Now u wait for them to swing and headshot to instantly heavy stagger them

Not that much different

[gleaming turtle]

Charging offer any useful breakpoints these days?

[tall torrent]

Not worth

[gleaming turtle]

Too ammo inefficient?

Damn, I missed out on too many cosmetics.

[gleaming turtle]

Also, if you don't mind, trinkets?

[west bronze]

What are good guns for veteran

[brave mountain]

when does the zarona drop?

[vital wren]

In Havoc I think he's running 2xToughness 1xHealth, then 3x each more Toughness, Combat Ability Regen, and Sprint Efficiency, but there's wiggle room on that third one.

[vital wren]

Most are viable until uttermost endgame content.

[tall torrent]

for what mode

[west bronze]

Is helbore any good?

[vital wren]

It's better the better you are at landing charged headshots. I like the bayonet.

[west bronze]

The bayonet one shots the shitters but it has no cleave

[vital wren]

Yeah it doesn't replace a melee weapon ofc, but it's cool

[burnt vortex]

Does recon go keystoneless?

[west bronze]

The switch annoys me

[burnt vortex]

I don't know what I'm doing otherwise

[tall torrent]

can

[tawny timber]

getting pure ass teams in reg damnation rn

like all dead in first 1-2 mins

[burnt vortex]

Not mine, but I'm using this as a base https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b661e3c-428c-46cd-b0e2-f932f3383b90/critical-shocker#talents I'm going combat axe for melee if that matters

Good, ok, bad?

[gleaming turtle]

Oh, I dunno. Aurics, Havocs, Regular. I don't got a lot of trinkets, so it might be hard.

[broken trellis]

What are some veteran must haves for being succesful in havoc

[heavy rover]

Survivalist, voice of command

[tall torrent]

Get 3x health curios and 3x toughness curios

For regular I like 2 health 1 toughness
All 3 with +10% dockets

For havoc I run 1 health 2 toughness

[tall torrent]

Understand what your role is within a team

[gilded wraith]

For a havoc recon 6c, dum dum, infernus, crit chance, and maniac or flak?

[broken trellis]

Shooting reapers and gunners?

[tall torrent]

Not quite

It’s part of it

[tough tiger]

You do everything

Horde clear with nades, boss killing, special sniping, cc with shout

[tawny badger]

oh lord I played zealot for too long now my veteran gameplay is fucked

[tough tiger]

Poking 10 crushers in the eye with dueling sowrd

Ideally you'd want to hoard all the special kills to get your shout back as fast as possible

[tall torrent]

Veteran is the closest to a “do everything” class in havoc but you don’t have as much specialization

[tough tiger]

A bad vet is gonna pull the team down as much as a bad psyker

[gleaming turtle]

Does Armourbane work on Flak or only Carapace?

[broken trellis]

Gotcha, so I guess my issue is I've made it to level 30 and done some auric, and I'd like to be "good" and dive into havoc. But I'm not in the loop on what the difference is between good and not good

if that makes any sense

[gleaming turtle]

Or rather, does it count Flak.

Not work on, I mean.

[faint linden]

How do ppl feel about power sword nowdays?

[gleaming turtle]

I am going to use it forever because the DS is stupid.

[silver yoke]

Is Bolt Pistol and Caxe even a good combo?

[tough tiger]

Bistol goes with anything really

But chainaxe on vet is kinda suboptimal

[tall torrent]

Veteran can do a bit of everything but generally your “specialization” is having the best long range killing power

[tall torrent]

What’s wrong with it

[austere mica]

Combat axe

[tough tiger]

Ah i see

Xd

[radiant chasm]

it works on everything not infested or unarmored

but includes maniac and unyielding despite them not having "armor"

[gleaming turtle]

kk

[silver yoke]

I'm not saying it's wrong
I'm just asking if it's a good pick?

caxe has the horde clear
And Bolt Pistol just seems like a great option for single target and sponges

[tall torrent]

it works

[silver yoke]

Like I tried the Laspistol...I saw the damage it did to a big beefy dude...I said no.

[radiant chasm]

tbf, laspistol only sucks for crushers

it 5 shots, even less if you crit on maulers

[silver yoke]

Bolt Pistol just seems like the right combination of BIG DAMAGE
And still being light nimble that I'm comfortable with
The reload is the only real downside lol

[silver yoke]

crushers was the only enemy I tested it on ngl

[radiant chasm]

i mean

you are bringing caxe for that

vet gets down to what, 3 heavies per crusher

[vital wren]

Reload's less bad with weapon specialist

[hollow ibex]

that's like the one thing it's bad with

[vital wren]

pops some ammo back in when you swap if you take that node

[hollow ibex]

laspistol is very fucking good otherwise

[silver yoke]

i see

[silver yoke]

i havnt checked how much it gives back at 10 stacks

[vital wren]

3

[silver yoke]

not bad

if you hit all 3 can take down lots

[vital wren]

I like it

[silver yoke]

I mean maybe i could give laspistol another shot.

[vital wren]

It's good, I prefer the bistol myself for the grenade synergy

[silver yoke]

what synergy?

also since no one is alive in general where do i go to report someone in the server