veteran-class

[unreal nova]

I suppose, you still can't really go 100% gun only though.

MAYBE if you are lucky with the recon.

[crisp oak]

Vet still uses their melee a lot

For most builds

[unreal nova]

Since crits means no ammo spent.

[paper trellis]

Deadshot and the reload crit chance node can make it possible, but it's not worth it imo

Makes it really difficult to handle some situations

[unreal nova]

You then have always 0 stam and have to keep counting ammo in clip. It gets tiring.

And even then, still RNG.

[paper trellis]

Mhm

[orchid hemlock]

people talking about vet

smh my head

[unreal nova]

I know because 12 bars of stam, I can still burn with a revolver, lul.

[unreal nova]

This is vet chat, you sure you aren't thinking you are elsewhere?

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[crisp oak]

Ogryn clubs two blocks down leather man

[orchid hemlock]

Vet chat is my home

Zealot chat is just shitposting

Psyker chat is just people fighting over whether or not bof is viable in their build or not

[unreal nova]

And random game chats.

[orchid hemlock]

Vet chat I have been noticing is where the newbs go first to get advice so it has been the "feedback" chat for a while now

[unreal nova]

Cos even the game kinda pushes you to start with a vet, lul.

Shovel is starter.

[orchid hemlock]

Zealot is easier imo

to learn and execute

[unreal nova]

I know, more so if you played VT2.

[orchid hemlock]

because if I see another PUB vet on my team magdumping crushers with their lasgun doing .000001 damage I might actually uninstal

[unreal nova]

Naw, I mag dump with my revolver.

:3

To be fair, they might also play vet to not have to go near crushers/maulers, lul.

Cos I totally wouldn't wanna be near except on my invul every 2~ mins Zealot.

[tall torrent]

Melee problems require melee solutions

[orchid hemlock]

I never understood why people are soo terrified of crushers

[paper trellis]

I don't mind it, long as you are careful with your spacing and pushes you can melee ragers and maulers

[hollow ibex]

Big black dude scary

[paper trellis]

And my go to with crushers is melee lmao

[orchid hemlock]

what

[hollow ibex]

Oh wait that came out the wrong way

[unreal nova]

STEALTH CRUSHERS.

[hollow ibex]

Big black armor dude scary

[unreal nova]

You only find out when the aimassist spins you around.

[paper trellis]

Did it?! Lmfao

[unreal nova]

And then you ded.

[paper trellis]

Their armor isn't even black lmao

[hollow ibex]

It’s not black??

[unreal nova]

And this is why my revolver was made.

[paper trellis]

No lmao

[unreal nova]

2 shots them bloody things ijehhoruohdfhuoguoharhoaS

[hollow ibex]

Ok then what is it?

[paper trellis]

It's tarnished silver, the color of steel

Lmao

[hollow ibex]

It’s pretty dark

[orchid hemlock]

I think they just really want to say the n word 😔

gamer momment

[paper trellis]

Fr

[hollow ibex]

But ok

This is “tarnished silver”

Lmfao

[orchid hemlock]

idk chief, those hands look like a vitamin D deficiency

this is nurgle after all

[inland orchid]

I don’t even wanna know what the state of their rations is

[hollow ibex]

I mean they live in a hive city so it’s fair

[paper trellis]

Yes, even in that pic taken in dark lighting, the armor is still the color of steel

Lmfao

[orchid hemlock]

Sir, you would be right at home with like 99% of podcast comedians

[hollow ibex]

I really don’t give a shit. I’m going to keep calling it black.

[paper trellis]

"Black armor"

Stop I'm dying this shit is hilarious

[orchid hemlock]

i dont think the color of the armor is really the problem here lmao

[hollow ibex]

Yeah looks black to me so I’m going to call it black instead of “tarnished silver”. Who gives a fuck.

Only you

[bitter turtle]

I think it's blue

[orchid hemlock]

why when you see a crusher the first thing you think of is black people 😬

[hollow ibex]

[paper trellis]

[bitter turtle]

Actually it's green

Wait no purple

Red eyes + blue armor = overall purple

[orchid hemlock]

make it pink

[bitter turtle]

I'm a genius

[hollow ibex]

Clad in all black so I refer to it as a big black dude. You’re the one that immediately assumed I’m talking about black people.

[paper trellis]

Dude just keep digging deeper lmao

[hollow ibex]

This is what watching shitty YTers does to your brain

[orchid hemlock]

"black dude" semantics backpedaling

[hollow ibex]

Infected by the tanner and Mr E brain rot

[paper trellis]

God this is the most hilariously bad attempt at gaslighting I've ever seen

[orchid hemlock]

I know what you meant, dont play dumb

[hollow ibex]

F in chat

[hollow ibex]

If you did, I wouldn’t be correcting you

[hollow ibex]

Says the guy claiming crushers are “tarnished silver”

[orchid hemlock]

???????

[rain badger]

Suffer ye not foul tarnished

[paper trellis]

Yes, that's the term for the color of steel lmao but don't worry, I'm sure the "big black man" will come and show you himself

[rain badger]

BBC coming for ya!

[bitter turtle]

tarnished

[orchid hemlock]

is the "black dude" in the room with us rn?

[rain badger]

Big black crusher

[bitter turtle]

Is this an elden ring reference

[hollow ibex]

Literally what it is

[rain badger]

Where my BBC fans at?

[orchid hemlock]

Sir, this hill isn't worth it

[hollow ibex]

Calling it “big tarnished silver crusher” just doesn’t fly for me. Sorry.

[tall torrent]

In other news I’m delaying my steam guide to re play assassin’s creed origins

[orchid hemlock]

🖐🏻

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/not-like-this-stare-no-nope-gif-16373672

At least it’s the least worst of the recent ubishit AC games

[tall torrent]

AC Origins is pretty good

[paper trellis]

Actually going to pass out from how hard I'm laughing

[rain badger]

Yes, foul beast

[rain badger]

Wait, that’s a Bloodborne reference now

[bitter turtle]

Lies

[hollow ibex]

I remember when AC games were actually about assassins rather than action RPGs

[bitter turtle]

Elden ring invented the souls genre

And the word tarnished

And rings

And the color gold

[hollow ibex]

Yup. Appropriate depiction of his sanity level.

[bitter turtle]

Goty

[orchid hemlock]

Sir, you are not fooling anyone, take the L

[paper trellis]

Man is so mad I'm laughing at him

Just makes me laugh harder

[rain badger]

Then I called you a foul beast, blood borne

[orchid hemlock]

ive never seen someone try to backpedal this fast in my entire life

[unreal nova]

It's blueblack.

But I'm somewhat shade blind.

[orchid hemlock]

look at those fingers smh

[bitter turtle]

Its purple

[inland orchid]

If it was purple we wouldn’t see it

[unreal nova]

No.

[bitter turtle]

It's actually a moth

[inland orchid]

Oh wait that’s orks, nvm

[paper trellis]

Dude tripped like three times doing so lmao

[unreal nova]

GF chat.

[rain badger]

When your VoC is on cooldown and a BBC conga line is coming your way

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[inland orchid]

I assume that stands for big black crusher?

[unreal nova]

So only just looked back in.

[paper trellis]

https://youtu.be/3f_DJWginOg?si=hsjvnxv34KFpFBHs
Found footage of the dude

[unreal nova]

And yeah, typing as I read.

[bitter turtle]

Everyone needs to stop thinking and talking about dicks

[orchid hemlock]

too late 😔

[inland orchid]

It’s 40k tho, plenty of dicks to go around

In more ways than one

[hollow ibex]

🥱🥱🥱 sure bud. It’s good to take a break from fapping to Tanner’s voice every once in a while.

[orchid hemlock]

what? 🤣

[hollow ibex]

Glad to be of assistance

[orchid hemlock]

what does Tanner have to do with this convo

[hollow ibex]

Hey man I don’t judge

[orchid hemlock]

?????

is this guy trying to gaslight me because I dislike Tanner? 😂

[paper trellis]

he's just trying so hard and he keeps on missing over and over

[orchid hemlock]

oh no the horror

I lost all credibility

[paper trellis]

I'm started to think the poor lad is both colorblind and handicapped

[orchid hemlock]

it's ironic too, because he literally got banned from this server for racism

[paper trellis]

Why doesnt that surprise me

[vital wren]

Hey what % does the ammo bag replenish?

Tin is like 21% right?

[red laurel]

Anyone know where I can find Veteran example builds?

[paper trellis]

That's a good question, I don't keep super close count

[vital wren]

Same!

[paper trellis]

Pinned comments

[tall torrent]

I don’t have example builds in my guide

[rain badger]

Holding my Krak, straight jorkin it

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[paper trellis]

Mhm, but other things are pinned

[bitter turtle]

I have a build

Pick every talent that has the word grenade on it in the tree

[vital wren]

Looks like maybe it's 15/50% for tin/bag?

[bitter turtle]

Randomly assign the rest of the points

Havoc viable

[hollow ibex]

This is the way

[paper trellis]

God my cheeks hurt from laughing so hard

[hollow ibex]

And make sure to pick the talents that say demo

[unreal nova]

BUT, you must pick smoke or frag.

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[unreal nova]

If havoc.

[tall torrent]

Ammo tin
15% of reserve ammo

Ammo bag
50% of reserve ammo

Ammo crate
100% of total ammo

All 3 of these are affected by havoc modifiers
Ammo tin 15% -> 3.75% of reserve
Ammo bag 50% -> 12.5% of reserve
Ammo crate -> 25% of total

[unreal nova]

Otherwise, pick any green.

[rain badger]

Same, I can’t believe this hasn’t come up before in vet channel

[hollow ibex]

Which cheeks

[red laurel]

I thought Ammo Tin is 20%

[paper trellis]

God your salt is delicious, keep going, I still got more laughs in the tank

[little vortex]

wait hold tf up

tanner as in the squeaky femboi who apparently cleared havoc 40 within 24 hrs of the update dropping got banned from here for racism? 🤣

[bitter turtle]

[orchid hemlock]

I mean

is it that surprising

[hollow ibex]

I’m sure any number of reasons could’ve gotten him banned

[little vortex]

no i just think it's funny as fuck

[paper trellis]

I thought he was a teenager

[tall torrent]

yea
his unban appeal was also hilariously out of touch

[little vortex]

lmaooooo

yeah i mean that tracks

gamer moment

[hollow ibex]

It’s tanner

Not a surprise

[orchid hemlock]

this is all lies 😂

[paper trellis]

Funny thing is for all his braggadiccio, when you actually test his builds, they tend to be lacking

[orchid hemlock]

nategore shoutout is funny lmao

[paper trellis]

Tried them out when first started, so much was a trap lol

[vital wren]

that is hilarious and it's extra funny to me as I have a relative named Tanner that this would be amazing coming from

[tall torrent]

because he doesn't actually know what he's talking about most of the time

partial truths don't paint whole pictures

[hollow ibex]

Pretty much all the DT YTers are shit

[little vortex]

i haven't taken a deep dive into his content or anything, i just saw the havoc 40 video and thought it was neat

[hollow ibex]

You can stop now

[little vortex]

i don't heavily fuck with youtubers to begin with lmao dw

[woven vigil]

isn't this the guy who was shitting on Ogrynomicon, who then turned out that he barely even plays Ogryn

[paper trellis]

Yeah he basically only plays zealot and plays his vet as a zealot, is finally trying psyker and geeking out over it

[hollow ibex]

The only DT YTers I’ll sometimes watch are telo, jsat and ryken for fun thematic builds

[ancient path]

what did he even say to get banned

also what the fuck did i peak into vet chat to see

ya'll need the god-emperor.

https://tenor.com/view/insubordinate-churlish-key-and-peele-keegan-michael-key-gif-11781457

[serene bough]

only place i trust for information are my own notes and the general discourse from vet chat

[serene bough]

something along the lines of the slur that sounds like "clink", iirc

i mean, he generally said lots of volatile and contentious things lol

[ancient path]

ive heard.

ive seen his videos on yt and watched like ... some of them but his voice is super annoying and i hate his fov so its hard to watch

[serene bough]

he has game knowledge but my impression was he's inconsistent and hand wavey with his arguments

that was a while ago, apparently nowadays he's calmed down a bit

haven't followed up

[tall torrent]

nah, he's gotten worse

he's just irredeemably bad

[serene bough]

ill take your word for it, I don't like entertaining his channel with views

[ancient path]

word

[tame lodge]

Real

[little vortex]

what's the consensus on curio loadout for havoc

[tall torrent]

you're going to need toughness stack
and most probably 3x 4% cooldown reduction

[unreal nova]

Oh, btw. me and GF wanted to figured out something.

How many sources of avoiding instagibs by maulers/crushers are there?

[little vortex]

worth going 2x tough 1x stam and making up the missing toughness with 3x 5% toughness as well?

[rain badger]

A GF, in vet chat? Woah buddy

[unreal nova]

Err, I mentioned it before.

[rain badger]

(It was a joke)

Do you mean like, how much toughness to not get 1 shot?

[tall torrent]

in what

[unreal nova]

Cos I know gold toughness, the 5 sec invul on zealot, be an oggy and the devil claw parry works.

[tall torrent]

I would recommend 2x 17% toughness + 3x 5% toughness, and run +health on the last curio

[unreal nova]

But is there any other way?

[tall torrent]

stamina kind of doesn't matter much unless u play deadshot

[little vortex]

which i probs wouldn't on havoc tbqh

[unreal nova]

Cos she's somehow surviving crushers and maulers without any of those.

[little vortex]

i don't even fuck with it heavily outside of like

memes on my laspistol commissar

[unreal nova]

The overheads even.

[little vortex]

i like it better in theory than elsewhere

[torpid grotto]

On corruption pools and pox gas and more tox bombers I go 1-2 health and corruption resist

[tall torrent]

in lower difficulties, they don't deal that much damage

[unreal nova]

Malice and heresy.

[tall torrent]

yea, lower difficulties

[unreal nova]

Overheads.

[tall torrent]

yea, lower dmg in lower difficulties

[bitter turtle]

Just block high then smh

[little vortex]

i think even on heresy a mauler overhead is survivable just by stacking blue toughness?

[unreal nova]

But my Psyker with stupid block still goes down?

[tall torrent]

yea, because they're coded as "unblockable" attacks

[bitter turtle]

Whiff punish the crusher

[hearty panther]

yea they block bypass and have full spillover

[bitter turtle]

Hit it out of the startup frames

[hearty panther]

lots of buidls can for brief flashes survive an overhead against their toughness bar

so its hard to say conclusively

[unreal nova]

So bleed for the emperor would work to reduce it?

[hearty panther]

cause it isnt that uncommon

[tall torrent]

bleed for the emperor does reduce it

[bitter turtle]

Unless I'm wrong i don't think DR gets ignored by anything

[little vortex]

you could get the creature spawner mod, reset your talents, and deliberately eat an overhead in the psykhanium to see how much toughness you need to survive it

[bitter turtle]

There are attacks that ignore roughness

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[scarlet thistle]

Ammo pains.

I straight up never put ammo crates down unless I need it, because if I put it down any other time i'm getting nothing out of it, there was even a time where three ammo crates were placed down in the finale of a mission and I didn't grab anything until I needed it, we had 1 psyker that didn't need ammo.

All three of them were gone by the time I needed ammo.

[thorn lark]

there's max 2 ammo crates and 2 medkits tho

[scarlet thistle]

It bugged.

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/malreynolds-firefly-speechless-gif-5332816

[scarlet thistle]

Haven't seen it again ever since.

Point is

People too readily stick their hands into ammo crates.

[thorn lark]

what was the difficulty?

[scarlet thistle]

Heresy.

It was the final section of the carnival.

[thorn lark]

that explains a lot

[crisp oak]

I never use ammo crates

[thorn lark]

heresy is full of malice tryhards

[crisp oak]

Tbh

[scarlet thistle]

I've encountered this in every difficulty though, people just grab ammo when they straight up don't need it.

Fire 5 shots, ammo crate grab.

[tall torrent]

yea I mean if u want to use smth like AoN then the less stamina u have the better lol

[scarlet thistle]

I'm in the orange, what are you grabbing ammo for?

[thorn lark]

i do enjoy having a lot of stam outstide of combat and edging everything during

[scarlet thistle]

Psykers constantly edging perils of the warp.

[thorn lark]

that is so infuriating lol

[thorn lark]

i had that in havocs too

but i had the other experience of people letting me use all the ammo crate

[scarlet thistle]

I've never had that other than when I was fighting with 3 no-gun psykers.

Were I so fortunate.

[thorn lark]

it's kinda the same

with aon and desperation on zealot

[terse idol]

There is certainly a consideration for aon

[scarlet thistle]

I'm really bad with acronyms.

Aon?

[thorn lark]

i use that on the taxe

all of nothing + headtaker

[scarlet thistle]

Gotcha.

[terse idol]

Waiiit pull it back

You're using +stamina on your curio?

@thorn lark

[orchid hemlock]

i dont have a picture if that is what you are asking for, you will need to aks a mod since that is private

[thorn lark]

all of my zealots builds have 2 toughness and 1 stam curios

[terse idol]

@scarlet thistle also waa, mutual server kobold

[orchid hemlock]

but they said something about about Black history month of Juneteenth being a "fake" holiday

[thorn lark]

and 36 stam regen

[terse idol]

That's

Over kill

[thorn lark]

that's how i play

[terse idol]

Literally insane but go off king

[orchid hemlock]

Path was right deadshot is an ultra cope talent

[thorn lark]

and yes, i can use aon with that setup, because i will forcecully go to 0 stam

[terse idol]

But

You would want less stamina then

So you'd just cut your stamina curio

[scarlet thistle]

Kob.

[terse idol]

[thorn lark]

i want more stamina for everything else outside combat

[terse idol]

Sprint efficiency

3x sprint eff

Done

[terse idol]

[thorn lark]

also with the taxe, i use the pa + h1 loop

[terse idol]

Bard bold

[thorn lark]

i run +3 sprint eff too

and + 3 * 5 tg

[terse idol]

So you definetly don't need stamina + for aon

[scarlet thistle]

I got shoveling to do.

[terse idol]

That much snow eh?

Owie

Oh well...

Damn i called myself out for being Canadian

[thorn lark]

probably note, because for aon, i count on stam regen more

it's just that i always played my zealot with a stam curio and it's hard to wean off that habit

[terse idol]

Probably better in general to just take a +HP

Like with that much stamina regen

[thorn lark]

i would go for another tg curio

[terse idol]

I feel like you're playing as a placebo for the +stam

[thorn lark]

i usually don't take that much dmg

[terse idol]

It is a safety net just in case

[thorn lark]

it's only trappers or bursters related

[terse idol]

Both those would benefit from +hp imo

Including sniper

[thorn lark]

probably lol, i can surely trade that stam curio for my next run

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-the-punisher-wait-no-panicking-gif-22139346

[thorn lark]

i play vet with 1 of each tho

[terse idol]

I just do 2+ tough 1+ hp

[faint beacon]

Every day I wake up thankful I’m not Canadian

[terse idol]

Another day not saying eh

[ancient path]

i dont think i care enough to ask.

[thorn lark]

there is a case for the placebo effect tho

[terse idol]

Me as I replace your placebo effect with the nocebo effect

[thorn lark]

[terse idol]

The stamina curio isn't worth it because the amount of stam eff and sprint eff

[vestal widget]

when i was helping a casual friend level their char, had some dude who had a microphone actually scream at me for not sticking with the team when we queued heresy.

then he went down to 5 poxwalkers.

[thorn lark]

when i was doing a sedition run for a no death contract i had a guy thinking he was in some kind of special forces shit

it was cute tho, not obnoxious

but bro was larping seal team moebian 6th quite hard

[terse idol]

Homie fighting every poxwalker like agent Smith from the matrix

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-agent-smith-neo-clones-smith-clones-gif-25278689

[vestal widget]

see, that does sound cute

[faint beacon]

TLDR: said unhinged things to the creator of the Ogrynomicon

Aka a mod

[unreal nova]

I mean, what did you expect from us stroking our swords so often anyway? Heh.

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-bäumer-looking-broken-as-he-stares-ahead-to-the-battlefield-all-quiet-on-the-western-front-paul-bäumer-paul-baumer-all-quiet-on-the-western-front2022-gif-27564153

[unreal nova]

Did he do good though with the RP?

[ancient path]

Im just going to guess that tanner disagreed with something, was proven wrong, and then he called him a slur.

[thorn lark]

it was sedition or uprising so it's hard to do bad

[unreal nova]

Yes but I mean the roleplay.

Not the actual mission lul.

[faint beacon]

Argument over Toughness Regen

But yeah pm

I saw the aftermath lmao

[thorn lark]

yes! that was quite fun

especially when you decide to go with the flow

i wish i had more player like that

[unreal nova]

Because why not, right?

I mean, most people are just silent.

[ancient path]

racist sweats are so predictable.

[faint beacon]

Well I mean look Tannercord is a cesspit

[ancient path]

shout out to roleplayers.

[faint beacon]

What do you expect lmao

[oblique totem]

What are we mad about again?

[unreal nova]

Can be fun, but it's always best to not have stats tied to it.

[ancient path]

I wouldnt be involved in a place called a "tannercord" even if it meant my life. so id expect it to be a den of mongrels just off name alone.

[faint beacon]

I just call it that but I don’t even recall its name

[unreal nova]

I'll just say, that sounds well, a place for someone with an ego to well, yeah.

[faint beacon]

I just know a Zealot chat regular showed how bad it was in there lmao

Racist femboy meet up cord

[oblique totem]

What the hell is going on in other servers?

[faint beacon]

Petty drama

[scarlet thistle]

Shovel.

[scarlet thistle]

[unreal nova]

Should I mention I have a Chaos Sister of Slaanesh? Also Tzeentch did stuff because bet.

[oblique totem]

You probably shouldn't.

[unreal nova]

I guess it's too late then, lul.

[oblique totem]

Ah well. Maybe the commissars are busy keeping the zealot chat in check

[unreal nova]

https://www.deviantart.com/storykillinger/art/Lalala-323517752

I won a kiriban years upon years ago and asked.

https://www.deviantart.com/slaaneshg/art/Kiriban-art-Slaaneshi-Living-Saint-646226704

Also same char, different artist.

Shhh...

Extra heretical.

[oblique totem]

I'm gonna claim I didn't see that

And also that they are not cool looking and well done

[unreal nova]

Heh.

And before you asked, the former is the color of my own sisters, the artist did it in Emperors' children colors first.

https://www.deviantart.com/storykillinger/art/40-000-pv-Kiriban-323469254

[scarlet thistle]

[unreal nova]

Big whoops basically.

[scarlet thistle]

I know it's a lore issue but

I don't like sisters falling.

The whole idea is they're so fanatical and believe so hard it actually manifests into abilities.

[faint beacon]

Peak melee choice

[scarlet thistle]

Nah I mean I was shoveling outside.

[unreal nova]

Well, some have fallen in canon.

Nobody is for sure.

[scarlet thistle]

Yeah before it was like

[unreal nova]

Though I had her from before.

[scarlet thistle]

There was only ONE fallen sister.

And that was a huge deal.

Because it straight up didn't happen.

[unreal nova]

Dunno about recent.

[scarlet thistle]

Nah multiple are falling in NuLore.

Which..

[unreal nova]

Since pretty hard to find the books and stuff around here.

[scarlet thistle]

Eh i'm strongly against them falling.

They had that over the Astartes.

Astartes could fall, it was rare but not unheard of.

Sisters falling?

That was unheard of.

[unreal nova]

But in my case, left behind on a Nurgle controlled world. Given an offer by voices, basically Slaanesh and Tzeentch making a bet.

Awakening psyker potential, basically nuking the area with purging fire.

[scarlet thistle]

A real sister would burn as much of that world as she could.

Until finally she falls and embraces the Emperor one final time.

[unreal nova]

That was the first roll, to see if she even survived it, lul.

[bitter turtle]

Is this your art

[unreal nova]

Yes, it was TT homebrew.

No.

[bitter turtle]

Thats pretty sick

Oh

[unreal nova]

The former was related to the roll things.

[bitter turtle]

Rip

[scarlet thistle]

A fallen saint..

Hrrmmm...

[unreal nova]

Some say she carries the mark of both Tzeentch and Slaanesh, but nobody knows for sure.

Maybe you can ask the farseer she sleeps around with.

[scarlet thistle]

A fallen Saint sounds extremely unplausible.

[austere pine]

is executioner's stance the choice for recons for havoc/auric mael?

[bitter turtle]

No

[austere pine]

thought so

new build here i come

[bitter turtle]

Voc or infil if you know how to play infil

[unreal nova]

She isn't. she just appears as one.

[scarlet thistle]

That's what the art says.

[unreal nova]

Her form of corruption tends to be slower if she even does. She offers salvation to those left behind.

[scarlet thistle]

They're effectively Daemon Princes of the Emperor even if they don't fall it that, it was belief which caused that ascension in the first place.

They embody belief in the Emperor.

And they're arguably not human at that point but a physical manifestation of faith.

[unreal nova]

An offer to live on her 'world/ship'. It's basically a heretical rogue trader ship.

It's as you would expect, a pleasure ship./

[austere pine]

wait would i go speed aura with infil?

[unreal nova]

I know. I just wanted to make a perverse version of that, but ended up failing cos well, what did you expect from a 14-15 year old?

I think. Dates are a mess for me.

[scarlet thistle]

Her to still be a Novitiate?

[faint beacon]

Either that or Fireteam, Survivalist usually becomes too taxing

[unreal nova]

More, kept quiet of slight psyker things, too weak to be of note, but still. Tzeentch made it not weak basically. They just had quicker info share in said squad though before.

Yeah, I know, extra heresy and just why so much shit added on.

Teen making those chars with everything tagged on cos 'cool'.

Sometimes, i cringe at my teen self.

But I'll just DM other stuff if you are interested to as much as I remembered, cos err.... some parts embarrass me myself.

[faint beacon]

I’ve always stuck with Imperial Guard stuff just cause it’s overall cool being limited to something smaller imo

[umbral scaffold]

so for moebian 21st, does that increase enemy horde spawns or just make the hordes armored?

[unreal nova]

I guess. It was supposed to just be a chaos campaign vs Nurgle. Since the players were just a bunch of Slaaneshi and Tzeentchians.

[stoic thorn]

Latter

[bitter turtle]

No

Survivalist unless there are two vets

[hollow ibex]

For havoc?

Havoc aside I don’t see why you ever go surv with infil

[austere pine]

do you go for a keystone for that?

[bitter turtle]

I don't

[austere pine]

nah not much space

beyond like

basic mark

[bitter turtle]

But that is bc you need to take all the grenade talents

[austere pine]

frags or kraks?

[bitter turtle]

Frags

Kraks are not good

Frag > smoke > krak

Smoke is a 15 second psyker bubble that doesn't break

Demo stockpile + demo team is the minimum

I like grenadier

Tinkerer is also good if you can reach

[austere pine]

do you run it this way?

oh shit demo team

[bitter turtle]

Nades are so good even twinning blast can be considered

Don't go onslaught

Onslaught recon is a shitty meme

Do u need a tree

What is your melee weapon

[austere pine]

hammer of the emperor says to go for onslaught for the recon you bring to havocs

rash

[bitter turtle]

Wut

Is that paths guide

Cause I need to talk to him if he's recommending onslaught lol

[austere pine]

yes

[cosmic aurora]

Is there a particular strategy I could be using to best suppress 750 enemies with infiltrate?

[bitter turtle]

Yes

Only for mk12

[austere pine]

i'm not smoking straight crack

[bitter turtle]

Which is the worst mark

So don't go onslaught

[austere pine]

coolio

[bitter turtle]

Onslaught 12 is a shitty meme

6 is best in havoc

[austere pine]

2 spare. what do

[bitter turtle]

You should path surv

It is mandatory if you don't have a 2nd vet to take it

[hollow ibex]

Just play normally and it’ll come.

[bitter turtle]

For the last 2 pts

Actually

U need to redo the entire tree lol

[austere pine]

this is correct

[bitter turtle]

You're using rashad right

[austere pine]

yes

[bitter turtle]

Rashad needs right tree

Sec

Let me.make u one

[austere pine]

exhil is so comfy though

[hollow ibex]

Point wasted on longshit though

[cosmic aurora]

Aw, but I want the armor that comes with it. It looks great with the flak gas mask

[bitter turtle]

Do what you want with last pt

[hollow ibex]

Infil is fun, just enjoy the journey

[bitter turtle]

5% crit or twinning or field improv or marksman

Would be my suggestions

[faint beacon]

Will skirmisher ever be worth it?

(The answer is no)

[bitter turtle]

Yes

On exactly one build

It's unironically worth

[remote sonnet]

Stealth vet with skirmisher can 1 hit at lot more stuff.

[faint beacon]

When a lot of the other things in the lower tree and when AE exists I find that extremely hard to believe cause you want to have a portion of stamina with Vet

[bitter turtle]

The build in question has infinite stamina

Run n gun bistol + knife

Don't use this in havoc btw

It's really good in auric though

20% stam and toughness on swapping

Sprint everywhere

Bistol hits all bp easily between agile/skirmisher/run n gun

[hollow ibex]

lol could be a funny meme build

[bitter turtle]

It's legitimately not a meme (in auric)

[hollow ibex]

I’ll need to try this out

[bitter turtle]

It was the only build I played until this patch lol

U just

Shoot

Swap

Heavy x2

Swap

Shoot

Over and over

[peak pond]

what is this crackhead build lmao

[austere pine]

jun said to get all grenades

and path said to get onslaught for the recon i was told was used in havocs

wait wrong build

either way

blame jun for speaking lies about grenades

[wooden stirrup]

What's the dumpstat for bolt pistol?

I'm assuming mobility?

[austere pine]

always

unless it has collateral

[bitter turtle]

No

Collateral or reload if you play into WS heavily

[wooden stirrup]

Elaborate

Oh

[bitter turtle]

Because reload doesn't matter if u never press reload

[wooden stirrup]

Okay

[bitter turtle]

And collateral doesn't make a meaningful difference (probably)

[bitter turtle]

At least one i can measurably detect

[wooden stirrup]

I'm still new to vet so I'll go mobility for now

[austere pine]

the goat for revolvers, shotguns and the bolt pistol

[bitter turtle]

Dump collat

Not mobility then

Mobility is actually nice for boltpistol if u run n gun

[wanton dawn]

Stop optimizing peanuts

[inland orchid]

Fr, feels fun using a DB with this keystone

[bitter turtle]

They asked

[wanton dawn]

Same

[wooden stirrup]

I did ask

[wanton dawn]

Same

[wooden stirrup]

I got a 60% collat first

[austere pine]

this is what happens when at least one teammate decides to do the objectives

[wooden stirrup]

Guess I'll be running that

[wooden stirrup]

I remember doing that on auric maelstrom with my ogryn

We had 2 seconds left when we beat it

Lol

We dropped that boss in like 10 seconds and then rushed to the final room

[wanton dawn]

Optimizing between collateral and mobility is like asking if you'd rather hit your left or right foot little toe

[bitter turtle]

I'm currently babysitting my adult friend on her date

I need something to talk about

[inland orchid]

There any clouds out?

[bitter turtle]

Even if it's optimizing puny advantages

[inland orchid]

Talk about the water cycle

[wooden stirrup]

Trillions must optimize for a 2.5% damage bonus

[bitter turtle]

Everything is water - thales

[inland orchid]

Water cycle = life cycle

Seems legit to me

[charred pulsar]

Dump stat of plasma gun?

[bitter turtle]

None

[iron marten]

Talk about why lacerate and flesh tearer on knife is bis

[bitter turtle]

69 thermal 71 charge rat

[inland orchid]

How bout keanu reeves being in the upcoming sonic movie?

[bitter turtle]

🔋 🐀

[bitter turtle]

Charge rat

[inland orchid]

Way better than my suggestion lol, rat talk is always nice

Real rats or fantasy

Don’t matta

[charred pulsar]

Whats the difference between 60 and 80 ammo?

[bitter turtle]

Having more ammo or less

[charred pulsar]

3 shots?

4?

[iron marten]

120 reserve vs 135 reserve iirc

[charred pulsar]

Hmmmm and each shoot is like 3 points

Thats big

Well guess Ill try to change my plasma gun

[wanton dawn]

Also considering that plasma is half reserve half mag. It has the worst ammo efficiency per packs

You get about 25% total from bag

[charred pulsar]

Indeed

[bitter turtle]

bbcd?

[rain badger]

Is that from Flashgitz too?

[stoic thorn]

No it's fanart

[stoic thorn]

Blood

[bitter turtle]

it's clearly bbcd

The supposed 2nd "o" is missing a line on the right side

At best I will take blocd

But given the similarities od the first two letters there's no reason for me not to believe it's another b

bbcd

[lime pendant]

My obsessive ass going through for full mastery on my veteran.

[steady wolf]

no private lobby penances so it's not too bad

[viral nacelle]

i wish deadshot wasnt so bad

the drain is comical

"aim for 2s, your billion stam is now zero"

[bitter turtle]

It's just gun dependent

[somber axle]

It works really well with a few weapons that don't care about the stamina drain. Laspistol Mk X, Revolver, even Bistol

[bitter turtle]

I would never drop it on bolter

[somber axle]

Don't use it with automatics unless you like juggling with duck n dive LOL

[bitter turtle]

Bistol and revolver don't care too much ironically since WS guarantees the 1st crit

Great on laspistol though

Well

Fan revolver likes deadshot though

25% crit on the whole yeehaw

[somber axle]

For non-WS Bistol/Revolver (or if you're shooting more than one after swapping from melee on WS) the extra crit is nice for very little change to stamina

[bitter turtle]

Oh yeah

If you aren't ws then you definitely want it

[somber axle]

But idk anyone who does non-WS Revolver

[bitter turtle]

It's just rare for zarona and bistol to not WS

They're really dependent on their melee weapons doing a lot of work

[somber axle]

The funny MF Bistol build for Crusher 1 taps is also rare to see in the wild

For funny clown build shenanigans the Recon Mk XIV can be fun with Deadshot if you enjoy juggling

just really dislike the 2 ammo per shot on it

[bitter turtle]

Didnt you do 12 deadshot with 3 stam curios

Or did the firerate buff

Make that unsustainable

[somber axle]

Yeah but that was the Recon Mk VId/XII before changes

The fire rate made it impossible tier for juggling

[bitter turtle]

Yeah figured

[somber axle]

It's gone in like a second

[bitter turtle]

Lol

[somber axle]

The insanity of thinking of 3 Stam curios, the +1 Stam node and then debating on whether or not to put +2 Stam as a weapon perk to see if it helps

[bitter turtle]

I think everything sounded relatively reasonable until dropping a perk for +2 stam lol

[somber axle]

I can do similar shenanigans on the VIc but the XII is lost to juggling forever

Yeah the perk was too far LOL

Everything else was just giving so little extra time with Deadshot with the VId/XII that I gave up eventually

Too little time juggling

[serene bough]

Which recon is the good one again

[bitter turtle]

6 for havoc

I'm guessing you're asking about havoc

[west bronze]

Whats the best lasgun to use

[austere mica]

There's 4 las weapon types

Pick one first

[west bronze]

Out of the weapon types whats the best ones

As an all rounder

[austere mica]

Probably recon

[paper trellis]

Tbf I’ve tested it a fair few times, you still get the crit rate even after you run out, and then you can transition to hipfire for stamina management

[hollow ibex]

Def recon

[west bronze]

Thanks

[somber axle]

Yeah but even with all the Stam curios it's gone too quick. You spend a lot of the match hip firing and waiting for stamina to rise. It just wasn't nearly as fun to juggle as it was pre-change imo

Tunnel Vision is funny to play with for Deadshot on the VIc and XIV but I really wouldn't recommend Deadshot stamina juggling with the XII because it's so little time juggling and too much time trying to catch the balls you just dropped within 1 sec

At best it's really just helping your initial shots while you build up Reciprocity during the start of a fight if downtime dropped stacks

[gilded wraith]

@somber axle What are your thoughts on the laspistols and deadshot?

[somber axle]

Very good and fun with the Mk X, more difficult to control depending on how fast you fire with the Mk II. If you're very aware of your stamina it's good but be very careful spamming shots while ADS with the Mk II so you're not on 0 when you need to swap melee and block

[bitter turtle]

deadshot and laspistol are natural pairs

laspistol has excellent hipfire accuracy

so you can genuinely just treat ADSing with deadshot as a "i need this to die faster" thing

never inconvenient

[somber axle]

Laspistol special shove is neat for telling bursters not today but if a Rager train suddenly appears in your face from behind or flanks you, you're going to get chewed up if you swap melee and block instinctively while trying to get distance

Plus Laspistols get extra Stam to toy with for shots

(I'd still take one Stam curio for fun though)

[serene bough]

Ye ty

[bitter turtle]

lmk if you wanna know what tree I run with it

[paper trellis]

why did this never occur to me

does gunbashing do the same thing?

[steady wolf]

Got on overwatch first try lol, same for every shot count. smh people struggling with these 2 😔

[serene bough]

Sure lemme see

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/8fabf8be887a09ce502afdeecb37348c.png
infil ds4 + recon

https://i.gyazo.com/6b5c0e66d1bacfa5f225ec97b4c36c2e.png
voc rashad + recon

[paper trellis]

which braced autogun would convert the best to an smg?

[serene bough]

I'll keep tabs

Thnx for sharing

[cosmic aurora]

I don’t care if it isn’t optimized or the meta, I love the combat shotgun, we’re getting married

[bitter turtle]

slug?

its honestly very underrated and strong in auric

sadly not very good in havoc, but over half the guns aren't good in havoc, so that isnt saying that much

[cosmic aurora]

Slug

[bitter turtle]

yea

its a really good gun

i think people dont give it a fair shake (in auric)

perfectly accurate at super long range, onetaps almost everything, even 2 of the 3 ogryns because good unyielding dmg, opens bulwarks in 1 shot, great boss damage, manstopper turns it into a railgun (kinda memey but hey)

u cant convince me a gun that does this is bad in auric

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent would u go WS on recon?

[bitter turtle]

if you're gonna use rashad

yes

if ds4

no

[tall torrent]

depends on melee

[bitter turtle]

WS has very little synergy with recon

but WS' biggest power budget is on the melee side

if your melee needs it

it needs it

[orchid hemlock]

yeah I understand but I would prefer to use another weapon then

like an autogun or ILG

[bitter turtle]

is this for havoc?

try laspistol then

more synergy with WS

bistol is an idea too

[orchid hemlock]

with havoc I would double down on the recon to get as many crits as possible

ammo econ is the biggest problem on high havocs

[bitter turtle]

WS Plasma also works

i dont use it so i cant really say much about it but yea

[somber axle]

Sorry at work so I'm bouncing back and forth a bit. It should yeah. I haven't played with the Brautos/Vigilant Autos in forever though so I could be wrong

[bitter turtle]

it does yea

not that i ever remember

to do ti

lol

i always swap to melee and push anyway

just muscle memory i guess

nice if you're out of stam though

[orchid hemlock]

rashad is nice, but i dont think it will save u from the 20 gunners shooting at you

it also isn't amazing at killing ragers but good at ccing them

[bitter turtle]

well

[somber axle]

Yeah same LOL

[bitter turtle]

my main loadout is ds4 + recon in havoc

so

i cant really speak too much on rashad

i only do rashad voc when we have no psyker

cus 4 ds4s are not clearing any hordes

[somber axle]

The last time I even used a Brauto was when they released the really fun rogue trader themed weapon skin for it

I'll touch Vigilant Autoguns again if they manage to release a good looking skin for it

[bitter turtle]

i want a nicer skin for it damnit

[somber axle]

It just looks awful by default imo and there are no good skins yet

[bitter turtle]

the ugly ass blue for v3

its so ugly

https://i.gyazo.com/ba4ca2d60dcffcb5fab4f6495edfa5b2.jpg

i turned it into a vector smg

[fickle narwhal]

is the laser machinegun the only weapon avaible at meta build of vet?

[bitter turtle]

but i still hate the blue

[bitter turtle]

no

[orchid hemlock]

meta for what?

[bitter turtle]

recon
laspistol
boltpistol
plasma

are good choices regardless of modifiers if you mean havoc

more options open up if you dodge pus-hardened

[fickle narwhal]

the one with the screams and the last purple node of the right tree

[orchid hemlock]

for havoc i think any weapon that procs shocktrooper is "meta"

[bitter turtle]

the last node of the right tree doesnt synergize well with recon

as we just discussed

you can do it

but its more for your melee weapon than anything

[orchid hemlock]

at the end of the day, the vet's job in Havoc is to take out specialists and gunners

the best way to do that is with a gun

[fickle narwhal]

i see, confusing, can you guys suggest me a good hybrid build to go on havoc 20-30 i feel very weak there

[orchid hemlock]

that doesn't run out of ammop

[bitter turtle]

here

i will give you my havoc 40 build

[fickle narwhal]

i tryed the laser spam but i hate the iron sigh of that gun

[bitter turtle]

o

if you hate recon then nvm

[fickle narwhal]

thank u

[bitter turtle]

ask path for their plasma tree

[fickle narwhal]

is bolter usefull on havoc?

the long one

[bitter turtle]

if ther eis no pus-hardened modifier

yes

if there is

much lesser so

[orchid hemlock]

for right side, this is my favorite build: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

but this is for aurics

[bitter turtle]

pud hardened modifier reduces ranged dmg enemies take by around 50%

so a lot of the meta guns basically either have infernus and can apply it quickly (dots ignore this reduction)

or the ydo so much dmg it doesnt matter (plasma)

[fickle narwhal]

wow first time i see 2 curious for health instead of toughness

[bitter turtle]

OR they are just a gun you bring as a grenade buffer on a stick (bistol)

[fickle narwhal]

i was using 2 curious of toughness and 1 for resistance but i feel very weak

[orchid hemlock]

i dont think mainstat curios matter much in havocs since they fuck up the breakpoints anyways

[bitter turtle]

im sure it helps

a little

[orchid hemlock]

the reason why I have 2 hp is because if you have <200 hp, you can survive 3 poxbursters before going down, instead of 2

[bitter turtle]

health is better probably

[orchid hemlock]

and if u have 20% sniper resist, you can also survive 3 sniper shots

[bitter turtle]

toughness just doenst do a whole lot against gunners swiss cheesing you in under half a second

i did a 40 yesterday with some pugs

and we were running around wiht like

a sliver of hp for big sections of the map and thru multiple bosses

so for me, if i didnt have hp curio, i would be dead instead

[fickle narwhal]

don't you miss the 3 aditional resistance bars?

[orchid hemlock]

no because vet already has good toughness nodes, toughness also doesn't protect you from corruption which means you can fall to one wound very quickly

yes I would love to stack as much toughness as possible, but unfortuantly there are things in the game that ignore toughness

[fickle narwhal]

sorry i was refering to the stat that give you more resistance to block or run (my game it's at spanish and probably i write some words wrong)

[orchid hemlock]

you mean stamina?

[fickle narwhal]

someone told me that those stamina bars were very necesary

yes

[orchid hemlock]

well i compensante it with 3 SE

[bitter turtle]

+3 stam is nice

[orchid hemlock]

vet also has good stamina, the problem is stam regen

psyker is the opposite

[bitter turtle]

if you want more defenses its not exactly wrong to swap it though

[orchid hemlock]

to me having the SE to run away from ragers is more important than the base stamina for the same situation if that makes sense

u also get more value with HP curios being the mainstat over the perk

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515648206512168/1317251465957609634/IMG_1467.png?ex=6765ea86&is=67649906&hm=d8e4b5e32a3c040809cb69bde37e319b9caa85b6af727a1bc40b65e019a36b03&

[heavy rover]

I use the MK IIb infantry lasgun w/ headhunter and ghost for havoc, and I've been finding better ammo economy compared to the recon lasgun

[tall torrent]

Havoc

[tall torrent]

No it does matter a lot

Plasma takes like 4 shots to kill a pus hardened flamer

[bitter turtle]

let me rephrase

its not that it doesnt matter

its that its at least manageable

[tall torrent]

U deal with the problem by not playing pus

[bitter turtle]

compared to ilases shooting like 30 times

to get something with pus down

[tall torrent]

It’s not manageable when u need 12 ammo to kill a single flamer on a gun that takes insane ammo to run

[bitter turtle]

hmm

well ill take ur word for it, i dont plasma in havoc

ive seen people run it in pus modifiers

but then again

im letting them have most of the ammo

since recon doesnt need much

[orchid hemlock]

if there is puss harden I put on the XII

I absolutely hate it when I see vets go plasma ngl

[somber axle]

It's still really funny that Recons went from bottom of the barrel Shredder Autopistol tier to one of the most meta weapons for the hardest difficulty in the game LOL

[orchid hemlock]

seeing them shoot a gunner 6 times to kill it and then having to reload makes me dye inside

[tall torrent]

If pus hardened wasn’t as bad as it is rn, it wouldn’t be tbh, laspistol is just better

[orchid hemlock]

no I dont think recon is the "best" weapon in havoc

overall either ILG or laspistol

because tbh ghost is soo insanely good on havoc

[heavy rover]

agreed, ghost has got me converted from recon to infantry las

now I can't go back anymore

i'm even more ammo efficient too with infantry las

[somber axle]

I didn't say it was best, just that it was meta for the top difficulty. Ghost/Infernus on Laspistol is really strong too though yeah but iLas into a Pus Hardened Reaper feels awful

[orchid hemlock]

u said "one of the most meta weapon"

[somber axle]

That modifier alone makes so many ranged weapons awkward. Kinda wish they'd balanced it so more things felt more viable

[tall torrent]

It needs to allow ranged weakspot hits to maintain full damage

[somber axle]

Most meta =/= Best and it is one of the most meta weapons unironically LOL

[somber axle]

I agree tbh

It would open the door for a lot more options

[tall torrent]

Like 3

[orchid hemlock]

i mean I feel like this is a semantics disagreement, but again I don't think recon is the best choice in comparison to other lasguns

hellbore tbh I think is better just because it is infinite ammo

[somber axle]

Is it really only 3

That's kinda sad but I mean at least it'd be more to play with

[tall torrent]

Helbore
Infantry lasgun
Infantry autogun

Yea

[somber axle]

I want Helbores to work so, so bad

I love them but the game doesn't LOL

[orchid hemlock]

tbh, if u were a freak with the hellbore this Havoc modifyer might be a breeze for you

[heavy rover]

yeah, I wish the hellbores had a better sight and a faster draw time

[tall torrent]

I think problem is really just pus hardened lol

[somber axle]

Helbores could be nice for a weapon rework

Idk if that's even on the Fatshark radar though

They're probably eyeing Ogryns more closely

If I had to guess

[orchid hemlock]

can u put ghost on the hellbore?

no u cant

fuck

[cosmic aurora]

How do you have that sight?

[tall torrent]

lol no
Play with psyker or get beamed

[orchid hemlock]

4 psyker meta

[fickle narwhal]

Ey Orcka i just gear my vet for this build can you give me sone tips on playstile with this build

[orchid hemlock]

Kill them all

Idk the build is pretty striaght forward

It's not like a revolver or shotgun build where you exploit always prepared

U just play melee and ranged 50/50

[fickle narwhal]

Okey

[orchid hemlock]

Vraks is just giga broken in general

Rashad is giga broken in general

[fickle narwhal]

Glad to read this since i hate laser guns

[orchid hemlock]

Vraks is probably the reason why Fatshark buffed the recons in the first place

The only problem with the build is u sorta lack wave clear

Rashad is great but it isn't insane like PS or frags

Don't run this in Havoc tho

This is a horrible build in Havoc 💀

[tall torrent]

Nah

Auric hordes don’t have enough melee pressure

Rending strikes is also not necessary actually

Vraks V has very good ADM at close range

It only really matters for ranged damage falloff & carapace damage on axe in your build

[orchid hemlock]

What should I replace the node with then?

[tall torrent]

Could get CQKZ

Or even left side ammo + superiority complex + marksman

It’s a lot of damage

[orchid hemlock]

what about bring it down?

[tall torrent]

Could drop

[orchid hemlock]

aww i wanted to nuke bosses with my kraks 😔

[tall torrent]

It’s only like 1k more damage per krak

[steady wolf]

Nuke bosses with a rumbler running this bad boy 🫦

[orchid hemlock]

Only 1k?

[orchid hemlock]

I got u fam

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[leaden skiff]

One is Helbore still good and two what's the dump stat on it?

[orchid hemlock]

can u aim?

[leaden skiff]

Usually

[orchid hemlock]

if u can land headshots consistently, then yes the hellbore is good

[leaden skiff]

It's all I'm doin with my Bolter right now

[steady wolf]

I dump stab on helbore

[orchid hemlock]

i think dump is stability

[steady wolf]

iirc if you don't intend on using the bayonet you dump mobility tho

not 100%

[leaden skiff]

mobility isn't a stat

[steady wolf]

erm defence then idk

[orchid hemlock]

there is no defense either

[steady wolf]

Oh it's just stab then yea lol

no wonder I dumped it despite not using bayonet much

only ammo matters

[orchid hemlock]

i honestly want to master the hellbore to just be a god at everything else

[steady wolf]

2 tapping crushers is pretty juicy

[leaden skiff]

Real question which mark these days is worth runnin in Aurics and Havoc

[orchid hemlock]

marks?

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s not that much I think

[leaden skiff]

Most weapons come with multiple versions called marks

[orchid hemlock]

oh u mean for the hellbore

[leaden skiff]

Yee

[orchid hemlock]

all of them are fine

[tall torrent]

1. All variants are ok
2. Dump stability

[bitter turtle]

modding

[west bronze]

Whats some good melee weapons?

[tall torrent]

Combat axe

[bitter turtle]

you can use anything you want if you are not in havoc

if you are asking for havoc

[west bronze]

Aww sweet

No fuck havoc it seems like pain

[bitter turtle]

knife
ds4
rashad
psword

I would not pick any besides those 4

[west bronze]

I see loads of people complaining about it

[tall torrent]

I think heavy sword 9 is up there tbh

[bitter turtle]

yea for auric there is no unviable weapons

[west bronze]

So the shovels not viable

[bitter turtle]

i considered it actually

i was literally right about to put it

but i think

[tall torrent]

That’s only for havoc

[bitter turtle]

being able to kill armor is too important

it saves so much ammo

for your melee

and like, nobody cares that you brought an hsword if there's a psyker with purg

[tall torrent]

I think HS9 is more team dependent but it’s definitely like 5th best thing

[bitter turtle]

yea that's fair

i really was about to put it but changed my mind at the last second lol

glad we are of a common thought on that

i think hsword is pretty underrated

[tall torrent]

I’m also cooking up an insane strat

Smoke vet + ogryn

[bitter turtle]

viable in auric

do whatever the fuck you want in auric

genuinely