veteran-class

[rain badger]

Inquiring minds want to know

[sleek garden]

My personal preference is devil's claw because I don't even need to attack I can just instantly parry and go back to what I was doing

[hasty grove]

My chainsword can kill all medium enemies with one revved attack

And shreds poxwalkers

[sleek garden]

What counts as a medium enemy

[hasty grove]

I can kill Muties and crushers with a revved attack and a few light swings

[sleek garden]

The knight looking guys? Maulers

[rain badger]

Devils claw is hella fun IMO, but wish it was a bit better at almost everything. Haha

[hasty grove]

Flamers, gunners, maulers

Etc

[sleek garden]

True, but I never feel safer than with a devil's claw

It's hard to get hit

[serene bough]

yeah but the IX ilas is the worst of the bunch

[rain badger]

parries a crusher overhead

[swift river]

If you're focusing left side, could try this

@hasty grove

[serene bough]

if she's using Exe stance i'd avoid determined

since exe has determined built into it

[sleek garden]

Not necessarily, the ix doesn't need any fancy stuff to instakill a scab gunner

[swift river]

Oh you're right

[sleek garden]

And has a bonus to unyielding

[hasty grove]

Also

[serene bough]

my experience is the volume of enemies requires a faster RoF weapon

[hasty grove]

Maybe I could put the coherency buffs into other stuff?

[sleek garden]

I'd drop determined and swap iron will to demolition team

[hasty grove]

I tend to lag behind my team a little bit because I like to snipe heads from the backlines

[sleek garden]

and maybe even drop shock trooper to take tunnel vision

Since it boosts the toughness gain from exhilarating takedown (I think)

also swap ogryn priority target to shooters and remove team x ray vision

Unless it's dark or foggy modifier

[sleek garden]

that's how it tends to go

As long as you keep killing shooters and specialists you're doing your frontline teammates a favor

that's why I take frags instead of kraks though

[hasty grove]

That’s the goal!

[sleek garden]

Self defense

[hasty grove]

I take kraks to one shot crushers n’ stuff in a panic

[swift river]

I dunno about swapping out Iron Will for Demo Team. Unless you're really focusing on grenades I don't think you needit if you have the grenade regen

[sleek garden]

You forgot kill confirmed

out of all the talents in the game kill confirmed is like the one you should always take as veteran

[hasty grove]

I switched over to this, gonna give it a try

[sleek garden]

Perhaps drop rending strikes at least

[swift river]

I would make these quick changes

[sleek garden]

Unless it helps reach a breakpoint but my lasgun usually doesn't need it

[sleek garden]

I'd swap chink in armor for tunnel vision

[swift river]

I still think you'd need the rending

[sleek garden]

But it's preference

You might

[swift river]

It just helps punch through armor a little more

[sleek garden]

But against who

[rain badger]

hmm, something didn't feel right when I saw this. try this.

[sleek garden]

You 1-2 shot gunners at high stacks and they're using the ix

[serene bough]

lols since everyone is sharing their ilas builds I may as well share mine

[sleek garden]

That's the lasgun least in need of rending

[unreal nova]

Just try it in the training room. See if it helps with any breakpoints you are looking for.

[sleek garden]

How do you guys make these

[swift river]

Still nice to have a guarantee

[rain badger]

reciprocity is goated (perk far right) bonus crit to both melee and ranged on dodge

[unreal nova]

If it does, keep, if it doesn't, change it.

[swift river]

Plus if you line it up right, you can get multiple targets at once

[sleek garden]

It's too far out of the way

You're gonna have to give up something powerful

[rain badger]

+crit (+crit damage) is pretty powerful

[sleek garden]

But the lasgun already has a high crit rate

[serene bough]

I use something more a long the lines of this

[swift river]

I do think having Shock Trooper is important, dunno how well survivalist covers ammo without it

[sleek garden]

Lasguns have a deep ammo pool

it does okay without it

[serene bough]

could probably remove counter-fire

[unreal nova]

You want both.

[sleek garden]

No

[unreal nova]

So funny near inf ammo.

[rain badger]

rending and brittleness are really only good for fast ROF weapons, IMO

[sleek garden]

The lasguns get really spiky damage you end up doing something like 1000 damage per hit on headshot, a bit of rending really could make or break a gunner

[serene bough]

rending for ilas is specifically to push breakpoints on one enemy (scab gunner)

[sleek garden]

yes

[serene bough]

so your choice of rending strikes is really dependent on if you reach that 1hko threshold with or without it

[sleek garden]

but with sniper and marksmans focus at a certain range you might kill them outright with a non crit headshot

[serene bough]

thats true but i'd prefer FT for the VII so you could also pick up ogryn damage

for IIb i take MF

but MF still works for VII, i just think its too much overkill

[rain badger]

quicker an ogryn or monstrosity dies, the better

[unreal nova]

Like I said, just test with and without.

[serene bough]

i did (for my build)

[sleek garden]

Where do you guys make these charts

[unreal nova]

For some, is good, for others, meh.

[sleek garden]

I actually have 3 variations on this build

[serene bough]

i have my own personal record of breakpoints for my builds

[rain badger]

also one thing you deal with in game and not is pyskanium are ghost shots and lag. That kills somethings

[sleek garden]

one with kraks one with fire team in case of other survivalists

And another for heavy guns like helbores and bolters

[serene bough]

i just take shredders 95% of the time so I always build that way

[swift river]

This is the current build I'm running

[unreal nova]

5 shots into a shotgunner, all miss, thanks 400 ping.

There was even a red thing on my crosshair.

[sleek garden]

One of the funniest parts of lasguns is shotgunner conga lines

And you just stand still and one shot each one of them

[swift river]

I admit I use revolver, so I just try lining them up 😄

[unreal nova]

Is fun 2 shotting crushers.

[rain badger]

🅱️lasma when you see a conga line and the screen popups 8 dead shotgunners from 1 shot

[swift river]

Eh, I stab Crushers.

[rain badger]

havent touched revolver, but I need to

[swift river]

With my KNOIFE

[rain badger]

on that penance grind

[unreal nova]

But, but bang bang ded crusher.

[sleek garden]

I like the plasma gun as a revolver

It deploys pretty fast

mostly melee and then suddenly bulwark

[unreal nova]

The delay in shot will suck with lag lul.

[sleek garden]

Whip out the plasma gun and charge shot him once or twice

[swift river]

2 shots or 2-3 stabs, save ammo 😄

[unreal nova]

I have survivalist.

[rain badger]

heavy sword is pretty good if you guys havent tried it out yet

[sleek garden]

knife feels goofy for how good it is at anti armor

I expect it to be good against armor of course

[unreal nova]

Just crit more, lul.

[sleek garden]

But it's kind of ridiculously good

[swift river]

Knife plus right tree Trench Fighter is amazing

[crisp oak]

Knife bp

Is the best

Feels so good

[swift river]

Knife plus Revolver
The Gunslinger Combo

[crisp oak]

I like puncture on my frags

[unreal nova]

Funny thing is, might do that after maxing all melee on the vet.

[sleek garden]

Devils claw is still one of my favorites

[unreal nova]

While doing guns on the Zealot.

[sleek garden]

On zealot I've hit the prestigious crusher instakill parry

[wooden moat]

Arthur Morgan Loadout

[swift river]

I have found that the knife and revolver have the fastest draw, so I can swap weapons instantly without need for One Motion

[unreal nova]

You take it anyway for speedloading.

[sleek garden]

What weapons really need one motion

[swift river]

Stabstabstab-that a rager?-BANG-stabstabstab

[sleek garden]

Just the bolter

[unreal nova]

Tactical reload.

[swift river]

And Helbore

[sleek garden]

I struggle to make the helbore work but I want to make it work

[unreal nova]

You melee with it.

[swift river]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-morgan-arthur-rdr-2-dancing-vibing-gif-13519536361487634834

[warm bolt]

40% damage plasmagun hits different fellas

[sleek garden]

The toughest part of the helbore is when it's charging and the gun moves slightly

[warm bolt]

Cant headshot scabs, have to double-tap

[warm bolt]

So i wasnt going crazy

I'd say that and bad ironsights on all but the 4th

[sleek garden]

if it didn't have that I would use it so much more

[warm bolt]

But the 4th has an overhead bayonet attack which isnt that great

[swift river]

Use the MkIII Helbore with Determined. No sway

[sleek garden]

The overhead is i think the only one that actually pierces carapace

But I can't recall exactly

[crisp oak]

The sway is bad stability isnt it?

[swift river]

Also, the Vraks skin up in the shop right now for the Helbore fixes the ironsights

[sleek garden]

I am probably wrong

[crisp oak]

Dont really get sway

[sleek garden]

No, when you begin to charge the helbore your characters seems to adjust the gun

[warm bolt]

Yeah i got it with leftover aquilas from the edition upgrade but damn i wish it was like that by default

[crisp oak]

Huh, never noticed it

[sleek garden]

So landing shots mid charge is hard

[swift river]

Honestly I've never encountered this

[sleek garden]

but if you always max charge your shots you won't notice

[warm bolt]

Also fun fact, if you use VOC when aiming with it the barrel drops, havent noticed it with other weapons

Only when ADS though

[sleek garden]

What's this

Barrel drops?

[warm bolt]

Like the gun goes down

But the crosshair stays the same, but you dont hit where the crosshair is

[sleek garden]

Maybe that's what it is

I always use exy stance

I never use VOC because there is literally always a chorus zealot or voc veteran

[rain badger]

blasphemy

[swift river]

Maybe I should try going full Arthur Morgan gunslinger 😄

[umbral scaffold]

This game had me sweating

New updates broke my mods sorry I dont have scoreboard

[rain badger]

no scoreboard?! doesnt count

[swift river]

The last game that truly had me sweating was one of the toughest missions I ever had to run because my teammates would not stop dying

[umbral scaffold]

True

That oggy was a nice guy but he kept dying

Contributed to the 14 death count

[rain badger]

big fan of agile engagement on the right

[rain badger]

my last super sweaty one was when I was on my 4th mission in a row for auric storm survivor penance and I got downed in a horde. Teammates came in and helped, got my 5th the next day and got my title that I was struggling to get with randoms

[swift river]

My only issue with this is that I really prefer those bottom left tree perks

Extra weakspot damage, extra elite damage, extra ammo

[rain badger]

yeah, if vet had a couple more points to use

[swift river]

Now, I could do this

[rain badger]

could remove counter fire and add the 30% weakspot hit, extra ammo is whatever with survivalist

[lime carbon]

Hi all, any good resources for guides?

[rain badger]

on your toes is pretty good when youre in a pinch

that could go away as well

[swift river]

Ye, basic Specialist with the ammo perk is usually all I need

Using Revolver, guarantees I always got one in the chamber

[tall torrent]

Check pinned

[sleek garden]

Once I tried Deadshot weapon specialist super fast infantry autogun

It didn't work because I took 0 stamina tools

[rain badger]

whats deadshot?

am I blind?

[hearty panther]

fine automod, fine

[tall torrent]

Spend stamina for crit chance & recoil reduction

[rain badger]

derp, yeah. I havent used that much

[tawny badger]

It seems good with stuff like redirect fire and.. duck and dodge, I think it’s called

[tired scarab]

duck and dive is what you're thinking of

gives 30% stamina on bullet evasion while sprinting, dodging, or sliding

[desert viper]

what are the blessings to use for the infantry autogun?

[rain badger]

Dum Dum and Fire Frenzy? I really am not sure

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + deathspitter

[primal zealot]

Could also take raking fire if you just hate slugs

[sleek garden]

I took punishing salvo and terrifying barrage

No idea if punishing salvo works or not

[primal zealot]

It’s useless

Has a weird built in cooldown like limbsplitter

[sleek garden]

It's just when you stop firing

You can see the cooldown

[charred charm]

is boltgun good for horde clearing

[rain badger]

for a stack of crushers, maulers, and ragers yes. But do not waste ammo on lesser melee enemies

yes, but actually no

[crisp oak]

It works, not the best use of it though

[primal zealot]

In other words no

[sleek garden]

the explosion will knock over people maybe not kill them

But it is feels satisfying to unload it on a horde

[orchid hemlock]

Pls for the love of christ don't magdump poxwalkers with the bolt gun

[sleek garden]

No it's not efficient

yes it is fun

[rain badger]

facts

[sleek garden]

Magdump poxwalkers with the bolt gun

steal all the red ammo bags

The ogryn doesn't need it anyway

[charred charm]

viable

what's a good mag dumping horde clear gun

[sleek garden]

Hm

Braced autogun perhaps

[orchid hemlock]

For Vet, nothing

Go play Zealot or Psyker

[sleek garden]

zarona spreadshot manstopper

[orchid hemlock]

[charred charm]

What does zealot have

[rain badger]

well, first of all you shouldn't mag dump hordes

[orchid hemlock]

Flamer

[sleek garden]

Or better yet Deadshot manstopper with no respite zarona shotgun

[rain badger]

the highest damage recon las has very good cleave, if thats what you want to do

[tall torrent]

Why do u need to use ur gun for horde clear

[orchid hemlock]

Oh I forgot shotgun

[sleek garden]

With marksmans focus and tunnel vision

[charred charm]

pew pew horde go away

[orchid hemlock]

DB yeah is good for mixed hordes

[sleek garden]

Instead 100% toughness back

no the zarona shotgun

Not crucis

[crisp oak]

The kantrael shotgun

[orchid hemlock]

You should only use your gun for horde clear if it's a mixed horde anyways, regardless of what class

[charred charm]

gotcha

[sleek garden]

But the best are probably braced autoguns or shotguns yeah

[rain badger]

kantrael shotgun alt fire to light them up

[charred charm]

I'll check out some builds

[sleek garden]

The zarona shotgun thing I take into the train mission every time

[charred charm]

And keep those guns in mind

[rain badger]

the question is, why are you adamant on horde clearing with guns?

[charred charm]

satisfaction

[rain badger]

based

[orchid hemlock]

Pls don't use gameslantern 😔

[rain badger]

only use gameslatern

[charred charm]

guh

That's the one that pops up first and I've been using

[orchid hemlock]

It's a good interface

The problem is the search function is atrocious

[rain badger]

Id like to say we are pretty good source of info here, and we can give context while GL wont

[orchid hemlock]

Basically the people with the oldest builds almost always have top prio

Because there isnt really an effective filter if you just change one thing and save it

Also 99% of the people in this game are TRASH

Including me

[lament vessel]

This is true, I am a walking garbage can.

[charred charm]

poxwalkers like our smell, probably why there's so many hordes

[peak tree]

I mean we're all inmates, so yeah.

[peak tree]

Are you implying that poxwalkers are raccoons?

https://tenor.com/view/wildlifecam-trash-panda-raccoon-wlcgif-twitch-gif-25442749

[charred charm]

they're just making sure we're blessed by nurgle since we're on the cleaner side

[warm bolt]

Lmao

[tacit sonnet]

I just noticed that MK3 knife has no info about the 25% extra backstab damage on heavies. It kinda might be important and would be nice if you specified that in the guide, thanks.

[warm bolt]

All chaos worshippers are technically

Scavenge for trash, be mischevious

[peak tree]

so..orks ams racoons too.

[warm bolt]

Does check out

[paper trellis]

That’s a thing?

[tacit sonnet]

Yes

it's been a thing since patch 14

[paper trellis]

Huh. Will have to tinker with that

[tacit sonnet]

All zealots know about this and apparently I just opened eyes to vet players

[peak tree]

boy do I like pokin the big ones from behind.

Ive yet to try the knives myself, but the dueling sword was so much fun coming from the rashad, which I didn't expect.

but stabbing a rager in the neck and seeing them just go down in one go is so satisfying.

[warm bolt]

Is duelling sword better than a chainsword?

[somber adder]

Chainsword has better hordeclear, other than that DS is way better

[tired scarab]

duelling sword has crazy single-target

from what i've heard, prolly one of the best out of the melee weapons

[hollow ibex]

I mean it’s arguably the best melee weapon in the game

Broken as fuck

[somber adder]

It's definitely one of the easiest to build for since all the talents that give it the good breakpoints you already want on every vet build.
It's your "I hate carapace" go to and it oneshots anything else lol

Someone at Fatshark really loves the fencing toothpicks. Saltz's was incredibly strong in Vermintide 2

[warm bolt]

Huh makes sense considering the name tbh

Weird i see it paired with non-horde clearing guns though

[warm bolt]

Oh lol

[warm bolt]

Saltzpyre Balls Of Sigmarite was something, true lol

[hollow ibex]

There aren’t many horde clear guns tbf. And you typically still want to use melee for horde clear unless you’re psyker

[somber adder]

Yeah, not everyone needs to run horde clear. Hordes of shitters are the least threatening thing in the game. They're just a threat amplifier for everything else. Vet's Frag grenade is also really good at clearing hordes so you always have that failsafe if you need shit to die

[warm bolt]

Oooh

[warm bolt]

Oh i forgot about those

Although imo sometimes they're not enough, feels like most of the damage is from bleed

[peak tree]

zealot and psyker are amazing hoardclear, I just want to manage hoards when needed and will kill them eventually if I need to with DS. But it lets me melee harder targets quite well, which is lovely to preserve ammo, and if I empty my clip into a monstrocity I can keep fighting without needing to wait ages to reload, etc. Love the thing.

[tall torrent]

Will do

[warm bolt]

You know, fair point, the horde will end eventually with enough stabbing

[somber adder]

It is. Always chuck two if you want stuff to actually die from just the nade alone. The explosion has great stagger but the actual damage is in the bleed as you said.

[tall torrent]

Generally yes but they do different things

[peak tree]

though that does bring up the question for me, how does rashad and chainsword compare for hoards?

[tall torrent]

Rashad is better

[warm bolt]

Havent tried rashad but mk13 chainsword has an extremely easy combo of just press M1

[somber adder]

So does Rashad

[warm bolt]

But yeah i've heard rashad is still better

Wait really?

I really should try more things that arent a single lasgun and a chainsword huh

[peak tree]

yeah I just hack and slash hoards with rashad.

I dont bother doing heavy attacks on hoards.

[tall torrent]

Chainsword’s problem is that u do get good horde clear but at the cost of habing abysmal performance vs elite mixed hordes

[peak tree]

makes it easier to manage the crowd and shape it. I'm still pretty new though.

though I do have +damage to unarmoured on my DS for general hoard support but wondering if that would be better served into unyielding. Seems unneeded on flak, it fucks them up without the help.

[tall torrent]

Chainsword is one of the worst picks for veteran tbh

Quite unfortunate for an iconic weapon

[peak tree]

I wish we could dual wield for the in world feel. Bolt pistol and chainsword.

[tall torrent]

Carapace + flak/maniac is nice

[peak tree]

I suppose some of my approach is coloured by the fact that I mostly just do pubs and so want to be more equipped to do everything if my team doesn't. But that still makes unarmoured unneeded.

[warm bolt]

Oh yeah that'd be very cool

[warm bolt]

Aw what a shame

[tall torrent]

The horde clear is good
It’s just that chainsword is not good vs elites whatsoever

And if u want to make it be ok at fighting elites u need to drop a blessing that would help with horde clear

It doesn’t have tools for fighting multiple ragers in melee

It doesn’t do very good carapace or unyielding damage

It has no reliable stagger tools for interrupting rager combos or overhead attacks

And the “single target” combo outside of special activated attacks have very mediocre damage

[warm bolt]

You know when you put it like that

No wonder i've failed several auric missions

[tall torrent]

Cadia wouldn’t have fell if they had combat axes instead of chainswords

Just saying

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[warm bolt]

LMAO

[warm bolt]

An entire regiment of veterans spamming VOC to stagger the blackstone fortress

[orchid hemlock]

Truuuuuu

I love this emote soo much

Like wtf is happening

[warm bolt]

Floppa drill

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[peak tree]

maybe that's what made it crash

[warm bolt]

Lmao

"FIGHT OR ANSWER TO ME" bassboosted plays, the engines get destroyed

[midnight totem]

Axes are ugly

Anyway, I built a kantrael/Accutran shotgun for bleed/burn for havoc

That thing needs a buff badly

[tall torrent]

Just put a skin on there

[midnight totem]

I do

I just say combat axes are ugly now just to annoy you

[tall torrent]

this skin is still peak

[midnight totem]

The vraks axe isn't bad either

[tall torrent]

That one is a reskin, it’s ok

It has some clipping problems with the feather thing when ur sprinting with it

[midnight totem]

Is it? I haven't seen the old one

[tall torrent]

this is the original I think

[midnight totem]

Vraks knife is big oof though

[tall torrent]

Shrineguard Nocturne

[midnight totem]

Ah

Anyway. Incendiary shotgun needs a buff

I don't recall if the specials shot still goes through shields

[crisp oak]

Im having trouble using the mk4 chainaxe

My screen just snaps to random guys who get caught in the crossfire

[midnight totem]

It does that

[crisp oak]

Yeah the mk12 is superior

Because it doesnt do that

[rain badger]

Like Bulwark? Yes. It used to go through all terrain, that’s why it was really strong for a bit.

[serene bough]

yeah, if cadia had some gold THP it wouldn't have cracked to the blackstone fortress

[tawny badger]

Cadia should’ve ran Until Death

smh

[junior plaza]

Hey if I'm using shout vet with weapons specialist what are some good blessings/perks for the combat blade Mk III

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike
Riposte
Flesh tearer
Precognition
Mercy killer

[paper trellis]

You ever get like 7 perfect roll items in the store at once and have to wonder where all the money went?

[junior plaza]

Okay my main weapon is the recon lasgun is there any combo of blessings that I should run for the combat blade since I have the lasgun?

[paper trellis]

Combat blade is largely independent of recon. If you had a gun with bleed stacks it would be a different story

[crisp oak]

My personal favorite is serrate blade talent with mercy killer, uncanny strike

[junior plaza]

What weapon has bleed in it?

[crisp oak]

Bolter and bolt pistol with the puncture blessing

Bolt pistol is my reccomended secondary

[paper trellis]

Off of memory, both shotguns and bolter rifle and pistol

[crisp oak]

When Im not running weapon specialist, bolter is a good.... problem eraser

[paper trellis]

The bolter pistol is stupid good with a bleed knife

[junior plaza]

Okay got it

[crisp oak]

Knife bolter is the speedrunning meme build

[neat stratus]

Ever get the loading icon to spin at mach jesus?

[junior plaza]

I am using shout vet with weapon specialist tho does that do anything or do I need to change my build @paper trellis

[paper trellis]

Then I’d double down on bolt pistol

Also, grenades are your friend with bolt pistol

[crisp oak]

Yeah bolt pistol is good with weapon specialist

[junior plaza]

Which grenades?

[paper trellis]

Shredders

[tall torrent]

Do u want to use knife as an actual melee weapon or do u want to shoot at everything

[junior plaza]

K

[neat stratus]

Did you know that a Radeon RX 580 Series actually benefits from XMP and Above 4g Decoding? Apparently I just figured that out

[junior plaza]

To be honest I don't know I'm still leveling up vet and just trying stuff in general I already lvl up zealot and psyker so I got builds for them but vet is confuses me. If possible I want to shoot and melee

[neat stratus]

So yeah Im playing darktide at refresh rate consistently now, pretty cool

No sound cutoffs either, those were annoying as all hell

[tall torrent]

Zealot is mostly melee
Psyker is mostly ranged
Veteran is melee/ranged hybrid

[junior plaza]

Yeah I would say I want to do a melee/ranged hybrid with vet

[crisp oak]

My knife speed build

(This is a meme to go fast)

[junior plaza]

Xd good to know

@tall torrent ?

[crisp oak]

For shout knife its something like this

(Superiority complex is needed to onetap gunners with puncture)

[tall torrent]

Which recon variant are u using

[junior plaza]

Mk VIc

[tall torrent]

Nah, wouldn’t need survivalist usually

[crisp oak]

Its mainly to stop people from bitching about you not taking it

But yeah the shpeed aura is way more point efficient

[tall torrent]

There’re only 2 game modes where survivalist is basically mandatory and I doubt he’ll be playing in either of them soon

[junior plaza]

Yeah right now I'm just leveling up my character's

[crisp oak]

True, doesnt stop randos from bitching

[primal zealot]

You forget how bad the average vet is

[junior plaza]

So I should try that build?

[tall torrent]

I couldn’t care less abt them tbh

[crisp oak]

Fair

[paper trellis]

I mean the same could be said for all the classes. Tho I haven’t had many bad ogryns

[primal zealot]

How often I run into a guy using recon and no survivalist, runs out of ammo in the first 5 or so minutes, can’t melee, dies

[tall torrent]

Try it, I left 1 floating point for serrated blade if u go smth like mercy killer on your knife, or if u want other talents

[junior plaza]

Got it

[crisp oak]

Serrated blade is worth it btw

[hollow ibex]

My favorite is a zealot that takes the most ammo and does the least ranged damage in the team

[tall torrent]

They spawn with like half of their ammo after being rescued, it’s fine

[crisp oak]

Mainly because the other build for the knife is basically the dueling sword

[primal zealot]

Ahh the civi refill, 1000 iq 4d chess move right there

[crisp oak]

And.... at that point why not use the dueling sword

[gaunt hearth]

I go survivalist anyway, just bc the get back in the fight! passive is good for pugs just in case I get CC'd

[junior plaza]

@tall torrent so this is for if I'm running the recon lasgun?

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword is cringe

[crisp oak]

Exactly

[tall torrent]

That’s for knife + recon

[crisp oak]

Thats why I run serrated blade

[paper trellis]

Knoives out here in short supply

[junior plaza]

Alright then for blessings on the recon what should they be?

[gaunt hearth]

Swapping to knife, bc I can't be seen looking like a nerd with that dueling sword stance 😭

[crisp oak]

Mercy strike+uncanny makes me feel like a hobo hitting someone through the cracks in their armor

[primal zealot]

Infernus

[tall torrent]

Flak + 5% crit chance/maniac
Dum dum
Infernus

[crisp oak]

Precog makes me feel like a dueling sword user

[paper trellis]

? It’s a good fencing stance

[primal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-bravos-gif-24067547

[junior plaza]

Got it and the knife one for if I'm running serrated blade and one if I'm not?

[gaunt hearth]

Arm behind the back is kinda a waste imo

[tall torrent]

Knife is entirely preference on what blessings u want to run

Uncanny is the safe, strong and boring pick

[primal zealot]

Toothpick stance is nothing compared to the overwhelming cringe of psyker greatsword naruto running stance

[paper trellis]

It’s based on an old fencing stance where you keep your parrying dagger out of sight

[tall torrent]

U can’t ever go wrong with uncanny strike but it’s also incredibly boring

[crisp oak]

Yeah, but mercy killer is fun

And unique

Lacerate....

I like lacerate

[paper trellis]

I mean if you manage to get multiple perfect roll knives you can run them with different blessing combos

[gaunt hearth]

Would rather dagger bleed alt attack then 😭 either way, stance looks just as cringe as the naruto runners

[crisp oak]

I am resource starved at the moment

[junior plaza]

@tall torrent what should the perks be for the knife?

[paper trellis]

Why not flesh tearer? Weapon specialist vet already has massive melee crit chance

[crisp oak]

Have like 14 weapons to max put

[tall torrent]

carapace + flak/elite/stamina

[crisp oak]

Which one is flesh tearer?

[junior plaza]

Got it

[paper trellis]

4 bleed stacks on crit

[crisp oak]

Ah eh

[tall torrent]

The safe but boring blessing combo for knife is uncanny + riposte

[crisp oak]

Mercy killer lets me 1->2 most specialists to the head

With lights

[primal zealot]

Haymaker lacerate

[paper trellis]

Ahh I typically do heavy to head since it comes out so fast

[crisp oak]

Wish it still worked on ogryns

[crisp oak]

Its mainly for like a mixed horde

[junior plaza]

And if I have serrated edge?

[tall torrent]

Uncanny/riposte + mercy killer

[crisp oak]

Uncanny, mercy killer

[junior plaza]

Got it

[crisp oak]

Mercy killer gives a 60% damahe boost on weakspot crits when enemies bleeding

Uncanny is the boring but strong pick

[tall torrent]

Riposte is extremely consistent 20% extra melee crit chance from dodging attacks (which ur going to do anyway)

[junior plaza]

Got it

[tall torrent]

Riposte + reciprocity + desperado + knife innate crit chance + veteran base gets to like

75%? Crit chance

[hollow ibex]

How much can zealot get

Like 90?

[primal zealot]

100

[tall torrent]

Press F to get 100%

[hollow ibex]

Wait does fury give crit chance?

[primal zealot]

Always has

[paper trellis]

Local man too angry to not crit

[hollow ibex]

Oh right

[tall torrent]

Guarantees 100% crit on immediate next melee attack

[hollow ibex]

First attack after fury

What about no fury though

[paper trellis]

And depending on how you spec it can give party crit chance too

[primal zealot]

Like I said bro, 100

You kinda gotta meme your way to it tho

[tall torrent]

Press F to gain 100% (shroudfield)

[hollow ibex]

I mean without ults

[primal zealot]

Toothpick riposte/shred since im pretty sure its the only weapon zealots can get that has both

Scourge, blazing piety, maybe a crit perk on the sword but idk if that’s even necessary

[hollow ibex]

I was thinking of knife

[tall torrent]

With everything up at the same time, 95%

30% (scourge)
20% (riposte)
25% (blazing piety)
15% (knife innate)
5% (zealot innate)

If u add 5% crit chance perk on your knife u can reach 100%

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[hollow ibex]

OK that’s what I recall for knife

[umbral scaffold]

I don't understand Havoc at times

Is it the auric modifier+21st that spawns in these annoying ass soldiers that melt you?

[tall torrent]

Moebian 21st?

[primal zealot]

Nah that’s fading light

[paper trellis]

The emperor protects, but he’s protecting less

[austere mica]

That’s Emperors Fading Light (1)

It’s a cocktail of stuff specifically designed to fuck with you

Dangerous shooters, no toughness break grace, other things I forget

[junior plaza]

I would also like a build for Executioners Stance because I kinda want to have one

[paper trellis]

Good luck

[tall torrent]

Can’t afford the talent pathing

If u want to run knife seriously anyway

[junior plaza]

No not if I'm using knife or anything I was wondering if you do have a Executioners Stance build. You can give me any weapon and stuff like that I just want a build for it

@tall torrent do you have one?

[umbral scaffold]

Is there also a reason to run ex stance? I feel it's far weaker than VoC

[hollow ibex]

It’s good, just harder to use

I don’t like it

I’d rather run infiltrate lol

[inland orchid]

I like the highlighting it can give to me and teammates

[tall torrent]

For Boltgun yea

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[junior plaza]

Could I see 👀 :3

[umbral scaffold]

I don't like how it's worthless in melee

My current Havoc is holy shut

Bad

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword IX + Boltgun

[umbral scaffold]

Gloriana with lights out, Auric, blight and 21st

[hollow ibex]

Tbf the entire point of it is shooty things

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-leave-leaving-pepe-peepo-frog-gif-21562981

[bitter turtle]

sounds fun

[junior plaza]

What are the blessings and perks for the weapons?

[tall torrent]

For heavy sword IX
Flak + maniac
Deathblow
Headtaker

For Boltgun
Flak + maniac
Pinning fire
Puncture

[gaunt hearth]

Standing still = death most of the time

[junior plaza]

K

[hollow ibex]

Do you know what BPs puncture gives? 🤔

[bitter turtle]

probably rager

[hollow ibex]

I’ve been running puncture and shattering impact

[bitter turtle]

normally you cant 1tap rager without pinning stacks

[hollow ibex]

Is funny

[hollow ibex]

True

[tall torrent]

Bodyshot 1 tap flamers & gunners

[hollow ibex]

Can you still get four body shots against crushers?

[tall torrent]

I don’t count bodyshot breakpoints vs crushers because it’s not gonna be good

[junior plaza]

Question why do you not select an ability modifier for Executioners Stance?

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t need any

[hollow ibex]

You count headshots I assume?

[junior plaza]

Oh okay

[tall torrent]

I check headshot breakpoints first, then if bodyshot gets somewhere close I’ll take note of it

[hollow ibex]

Aight maybe I’ll try

Those are nice BPs to have

[sleek garden]

flat range damage boost and easier aim, big headshot multiplier

you can keep it up forever if you're smart

[queen fox]

How do breakpoints change in level 30+ havoc? I headshot a gunner 2x with bolter and it isn't dead and there are 50 of them and 15 shots in my mag

[hollow ibex]

I think you just don’t use bolter in havoc

[vital wren]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-gif-18865199

[queen fox]

It's been very solid in auric mael

What do you run for 30+ havocs?

[hollow ibex]

Well auric mael doesn’t change breakpoints so that’s mainly why

Meta is laspistol recon las

Bistol for nade spam

Flamer zealot

Plasma

And then trauma or purg for zealot

Soooo basically all about DOTs

[queen fox]

They're gonna nerf that, you know

[jaunty sphinx]

Doubt it, at least for awhile

[hollow ibex]

Yah i doubt they’re nerfing DOTs lol

Especially when I’m pretty sure psyker got buffed because of havoc

So they’re keeping havoc in mind for balance decisions

And they’re about to go on vacation anyways

[tall torrent]

elite & specialists have up to 1.5x health
groaners, poxwalkers and infected 21st groaners have up to 1.35x health and 3.2x mass

[vital wren]

not even hotfixes until end of jan

[novel sluice]

Anyone cheesed the On Overwatch penance by just dying and being carried? Lmao this penance is not worth the strug with Xbox issues/solo play

[paper trellis]

It’s really not necessary, and if you do that ai director will spawn in mobs behind you

You can use stealth or shout as a buffer since it only counts if you take hp damage from melee

[novel sluice]

Like jumping at the start of the match and not getting res thru the whole thing, if 3 people carry the match would it still give you the penance?

[swift river]

Man, lately I just don't feel good with any of my builds

Nothin feels right

[bitter turtle]

oblivium mid event is a nightmare

https://i.gyazo.com/1c5e8471f263bb9ccfa33e7b465368b0.png

too many fuckinng enemies lol

[little vortex]

folks

recon las crit-fishing build with duck and dive, deadshot, stripped down and infernus.

stupid or nah?

[bitter turtle]

it still shoots too fast to really make it sustainable without multiple stamina curios

but you can play it for fun

just keep in mind

recon finesse values are really

meh

so besides stacking infernus and saving ammo its not like you're seeing huge gains over just

[little vortex]

it's largely for stacking burn dots tbh

and i mostly want recon las because i want a build with a flashlight to do lights out with

[bitter turtle]

shooting it normally

the burn dots wills tack to max really fast eitherw ay

if you mean to do a quick burst with deadshot on to guarantee max burn stacks in like a <10 salvo

well

i guess?

it might have some value on havoc but deadshot bottoming out your stamina is still questionable, especially in havoc

[little vortex]

yeah this was more or less my instinct. i wasn't sure it'd add enough to be really worth it

it doesn't have to fuck with havoc tho

[bitter turtle]

in normal i think its even more pointless

stuff dies really quick already

why do the meme when you can just get normal damage boosts and kill th em anyway

[little vortex]

in order to make running a weapon i'm basically stuck with fun somehow, pretty much

[bitter turtle]

well

fun is a different story right? im just answering if it sounds good or not

[little vortex]

what other weapons have flashlights? autopistol

and that's ass on anything except crackhead knife zealot

[bitter turtle]

i cant tell you if its fun onr not

the IAGs have flashlights

[little vortex]

no but like. part of the fun is making a build that does whatever it does decently

[bitter turtle]

and they're actually better with deadshot since their finesse values are super high

[little vortex]

hmm

yeah i'm not married to deadshot either tbh

"funi lazer pointer burn dots" was just my first port of call when looking at flashlight-having weapons

[bitter turtle]

that idea is fine even without deadshot is all im saying

i dont even run headhunter

[little vortex]

/nodnod

[bitter turtle]

that scoreboard above is in havoc 40 btw

with recon

[little vortex]

shout ult i'm guessing

[bitter turtle]

infiltrate actually

lul

[little vortex]

ok but something that does toughness lmao

i lowkey want to try to make exe stance not suck? but that's such a tall order

[bitter turtle]

its fine in auric

[little vortex]

marksman as well or are we going focus target for at least some toughness/stamina

[bitter turtle]

marksman focus also gives stamina/toughness

tunnel vision node

[little vortex]

ah right

and because it is a fantastically aptly named keystone (/s /s /s) it works best by spraying hordes at head height

[bitter turtle]

tunnel vision , unlike other "toughness repleneshment boost" nodes on our tree

actually boosts stuff like confirmed kill/o4b

so its a fairly big boost as long as you can keep the stacks high

[little vortex]

huh

i assumed it would not, for that exact reason

[bitter turtle]

nop

i tested it personally long ago

i assume nothing has changed or path would have changed the guide to reflect that as well

[little vortex]

neat.

[serene bough]

I never bothered w/ tunnel vision

I tried camo & long range and decided I didn't like either

[bitter turtle]

the 10% stam per weakspot kill is pretty interesting in theory

that is a lot of stam if you're shooting trash

[serene bough]

Its nice deadshot synergy at least but I never bothered with deadshot

I feel all the MF subnodes need significant buffs in general

[bitter turtle]

i would use it on laspistol in theory

but i prefer wep specialist on las pistol

[little vortex]

you're right and you should say it

[heavy rover]

agreed, I've tried Marksman Focus and Focus Target builds, I find myself liking the focus target builds more

[sleek garden]

this is great with the zarona spreadshot

shotgun

[bitter turtle]

tbh

in most cases

i dont think focus target is all that influential either

only thing id really change about marksman focus nodes personally is chink in their armor

should not be all or nothing at 10 stacks

why not 1% rending per stack or something

[heavy rover]

I use deadshot and the stamina regen for focus target, so for me I find it helpful in replenishing stamina

[bitter turtle]

yeah but

tbh

i think the only reason you probably do that over MF + tunnel vision

is because it coists 1 less point to reach on typical builds

[heavy rover]

yeah, fair

[bitter turtle]

cause like

10% stam per weakspot kill is probably better than 10% stam per elite/taggable enemy

the toughenss gain is better on FT's node though

there's a reason i dont run any keystone on my havoc build though

both of them are just ok to me

weapon specialist is huge but its too hard for me to reach on my build concepts

[serene bough]

MF could use some rework & buff but I think it'll usually be niche since it's only for specific weapons

I.e. weakspot precision & high finese scaling weapons

[bitter turtle]

acdtually i would say its bette ron rapidfire weapons

iag is rapidfire

laspistol is basically rapidfire

[serene bough]

I put laspistol under weakspot & iag w/ finese

[bitter turtle]

fair enough

but even recon can kinda consider it

even though its utter trash finesse

just because its trivial to maintain

[serene bough]

But I do think its should work with weapons that aren't rapid fire at least by concept

[bitter turtle]

i had a theory

that it was actually intended to work with rapid fire weapons better

https://i.gyazo.com/9a0b33d989358a401d94c415d177420e.png

this is the guy on the marksman side of the tree

he is doing rapid fire

[serene bough]

Well when you put it like that

The cover art isn't very marksman-y

[bitter turtle]

yeah

and then consider the other side

https://i.gyazo.com/3ea203e3072f71c107d5729c30b8e8c3.png

this guy is being all sniper-y

and weapon specialist works best with single shot precision weapons

[serene bough]

At least the squad leader looks squad leadery

[gilded wraith]

I need to try Exhilarating Takedown again now that weakspot cleave has (hopefully) gotten corrected.

[bitter turtle]

they look like they're telling somoene to do shit

so basically

yelling

[gilded wraith]

I do wish longshot was better.

[serene bough]

ET could use a buff

Maybe 20% instead of 15%

[bitter turtle]

sad it got nerfed

[serene bough]

Longshot is doodoo

[bitter turtle]

cus now volley adept is eh

when you have to tak elongshot

to get to it

[serene bough]

Ye

But it is very marksmany at least

[bitter turtle]

the only gun i still take the two of them on now is slug shotgun

mostly for volley adept

[serene bough]

I used it for a while bc i really like ET

But undoubtedly other two paths are better

Now i keep OfB

[bitter turtle]

thats the funny thing

i still go the other path

https://i.gyazo.com/e4ab0fbb351b4e0a159991178c3af84c.jpg

slug shotgun tree start for me lol

[serene bough]

Oh lols

[bitter turtle]

i mean tbf i need tac reload anyway

[serene bough]

Well I guess for the reload perks it makes sense

Hate how shotguns kinds need both

[bitter turtle]

i think you can probably do with just tac reload on the original other two

i don tthink double needs either

[serene bough]

DB just reloads from WS

[bitter turtle]

yea

as for the other two i dont think you need to spam it in such quick succession

[serene bough]

Marksman focus had a reload speed buff too

[bitter turtle]

well, at least kant, idk about lawbringer

[serene bough]

Whats your shotgun build

[bitter turtle]

maybe is hould try MF

this is pretty funny

how fast it is i mean

https://i.gyazo.com/1a793cdde32971c93acecf6bf35c314c.png

this is what i do now

[serene bough]

Local vet violently jams slugs into his gun

[bitter turtle]

would have to drop demo team

to take MF + tunnel vision though

iudk if its a meme but i run full bore and manstopper instead of full bore + no respite lol

muh raillgun

[little vortex]

i'm trying this lmao

i love the slug shotty in theory but it falls off so hard in practice

[bitter turtle]

its fine in auric

even good

id say

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s pretty meh even if funny for a bit

[bitter turtle]

it was my go to for sniper-y builds

[hollow ibex]

I only used it in auric

[bitter turtle]

its not good in havoc but

so is like over half the guns

so is that really a slug shotty problem

or a havoc problem

lol

[paper trellis]

Or you can run it with weapon specialist ammo restore

[hollow ibex]

It’s stupid that you need to be pixel accurate whereas revolver can just vaguely point in the vicinity of a head

[bitter turtle]

i tried wep special alug

i dont really like it

[hollow ibex]

And the damage drop off is very noticeable

[bitter turtle]

slug has no damage dropoff though

[hollow ibex]

And then having to take reload talents

[bitter turtle]

its also perfectly accurate

[little vortex]

this is so fucking peak fatshark

sniper build? shotgun.

marksman focus? dakka.

weapon specialist? low ROF high damage weapons.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah like a 1 pixel hitbox

[bitter turtle]

yea htat's the more eh part

[hollow ibex]

Feels like it does

[bitter turtle]

the reload talents

[unreal nova]

I remember. I still feel the slug 'bullet' needs to hit a bigger area. Just makes no sense a revolver hits ''better'.

[bitter turtle]

but can revolver do THIS

[hollow ibex]

Yeah revolver is stupidly forgiving

[bitter turtle]

those 40 shotgunners better not stand in a perfectly straight line against me

[hollow ibex]

Let me see this happen in an actual game.

[dire olive]

If any elite will do it, it'll be Shotgunners

[hollow ibex]

And then we can talk

[unreal nova]

I don't mind it in a co-op game though, but it's another reason why the combat shotguns need buffs.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

if we're talking about advantages vs revolver

[little vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[hollow ibex]

Idk if he wasjoking

[bitter turtle]

the main thing i like more is that you can keep a relatively constant stream of shooting out

[paper trellis]

Tbf shotguns loaded with slugs are perfectly viable for mid range precision shooting

[bitter turtle]

you dont need to swap to melee to reload

and also, i would say another advantage is the stagger

[hollow ibex]

I suppose

[bitter turtle]

opening bulwarks in 1 shot is very

convenient

[hollow ibex]

That’s good yeah

[bitter turtle]

and ther eis no dropoff

[unreal nova]

Kinda already possible with abit of luck, 1 shot 4 kills kinda happen even on HiSTG Heresy when the AI decided to go eff you.

[bitter turtle]

at least in any meaningful range

[paper trellis]

By slug are you referring to the alt fire on the mid speed shotgun, or the ads less spread shot?

[bitter turtle]

im talking about the special ammo

[paper trellis]

Gotcha

Did not know it has no falloff

[bitter turtle]

it might

but like

idk

you're not really sniping from over 40m away usually

even on a sniper gun

[paper trellis]

That is interesting, but would require reload speed

[unreal nova]

It always seem to do consistent damage no matter how far, just...

[paper trellis]

Tho the right side buff would probably work

[unreal nova]

Can you hit pixel perfect from across the bridge?

[bitter turtle]

i prefer focus target

or maybe MF now

with the 3 reload buff meme

[unreal nova]

Where the revolver be HAHA ded HAHA.

[bitter turtle]

honestly

its not as hard as you think

@ slug

but idk

ive spent 2k hours on this game

maybe my perception is warped

[paper trellis]

The penance for long distance shots took me forever because in the vast majority of maps only a handful of spots can even extend that far

[bitter turtle]

also you dont need to always use slugs either

at like 15m~ ish you can just use normal shots vs gunners to 1tap

[paper trellis]

I do enjoy the fire shotgun for precision shots

[unreal nova]

But But, the donk noise.

[paper trellis]

Ik flechettes aren't optimal, but I like them on it

[queen fox]

Shotgun isn't optimal so it doesn't really matter

[vale wraith]

They’re funny though, and that’s all that matters really

[queen fox]

Yup

[unreal nova]

A bolt pistol basically does what the slug does, but less janky.

[little vortex]

muh boomsticc tho

[vale wraith]

Genuinely pretty good quick horde clear with man melter for weapon specialist builds though, has pretty okay synergy with knife and stuff.

Ofc plasma is better for it but it has a sort of niche there

[unreal nova]

I know. Was just stating kinda fact. Combat shotties really need a buff.

[queen fox]

Bolt pistol with proximity and runngun is excellent for closing to melee a group of shooters, you can stagger the whole group while closing in if you place your shots

[vale wraith]

Run and gun has been growing on me lately tbh, fire blessing, very useful on havoc melee builds

[queen fox]

They deserve higher point blank dmg imo

[unreal nova]

True, I do more point blank with a revolver which is always funny.

Cos in my head is like, wouldn't a shotgun point blank do way more damage to a body?

Let alone a pointblank head shot? Although that should equally kill assuming everything.

[paper trellis]

I mean a headshot from a bfr would be massive overkill

[vale wraith]

I think the two main issues with shotty are flak damage and cleave, both way too lacklustre imo.

[paper trellis]

But that's loaded in 45-70 and is murder on the wrists

[queen fox]

Shotguns deal with Kevlar well tho

[paper trellis]

flechettes are specifically designed to fuck up ppl in body armor

[unreal nova]

Here is like, a dink off armor.

Feels bad.

[queen fox]

Maybe at 40 or 50m

[pseudo fiber]

You can learn a lot about someone from the one second flash of their discord

[queen fox]

Irl

[bitter turtle]

i already checked to see if there was anything questionable

[vale wraith]

I meant more elite flak, like maulers and ragers, it clears up shooters like nothing yeah.

[pseudo fiber]

Shout outs to Yanagi

[bitter turtle]

i rolled for miyabi too

got her

[unreal nova]

To be fair, anything non auto does that decently well.

[bitter turtle]

after hitting pity twice

[unreal nova]

As well as most auto.

[queen fox]

If you wanna see funky special shotgun ammo on YouTube, a toafledermaus has been shooting random shit out of his guns for years

[bitter turtle]

[paper trellis]

Never have really suffered against ragers with it. The ads gets extra weak spot damage and they are easy to bonk in the head in quick succession

[pseudo fiber]

same. She is cool

[unreal nova]

Just shoot revolver, 3 ded ragers, lul.

Don't even need headshot on malice.

[bitter turtle]

i never have luck if its a characte ri actually want

got lighter twice in 20 pulls on the last banner when i was trying to m6 corin

[queen fox]

Guy has shot chained weights, homemade rockets, whole complete .50bmg rounds loaded into 12g shells, anything that fits, and it's all on youtube

[unreal nova]

I still question how that's legal, tbh.

[queen fox]

What's illegal about it

[unreal nova]

it's like, you can make bombs in your backyard? Unknown to all but yourself? Isn't just dangerous?

[queen fox]

Not much is ever better than buckshot or slugs

[pseudo fiber]

That's your eternal punishment for building pity

I got furina in 6 pulls in genshin then I will never get as lucky again

[vale wraith]

I mainly use shotguns for just getting melee specialist quick. So I don’t really use it like a precision weapon, probably my bad as a player then

[queen fox]

Recently it's been viewer submitted cnc milled slugs designed for performance because he has a high speed camera and shot speed measuring equipment

[paper trellis]

I think you are overestimating how much damage a shotgun shell can do and underestimating how easy it is to make bombs

[unreal nova]

I might be, but more a case of, why it it even legal?

[queen fox]

Bombs, yes that's illegal. Whenever it's above a certain amount of explosives in a sealed shrapnel producing container, it's making a bomb. At least in america

Making bullets is totally legal in almost every place owning guns is legal afaik

[unreal nova]

But then again, it's probs just like unstamped/marked bullets.

[paper trellis]

For the same reason kitchen knives are. Sure they can be used to hurt someone. But hunting and target shooting are important past times

[queen fox]

No, it's usually reused bullet shells and factory made bullets+powder

And factory primers

[paper trellis]

Crimping shells at home is a lot harder than reloading a shell

[queen fox]

Some people make their own bullets and a few nutjobs make powder, which is questionably legal

If it's real smokeless powder

[unreal nova]

Oh. Latter acutally seems dangerous.

Wouldn't even a slight error cause... well you know.

As in, making gun powder.

[paper trellis]

Not really. Gunpowder is inert until exposed to extreme heat

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but more, when you use it.

[paper trellis]

That's why primers exist

[unreal nova]

A bad batch being used.

Cos I heard of people blowing up their hands and faces from such before.

[paper trellis]

A bad batch typically just doesn't ignite. You're more likely to injure yourself with tannerite

[unreal nova]

So luck, I guess.

[paper trellis]

Ehh, moreso just not being a complete idiot

[unreal nova]

To be fair, I do live somewhere where guns are as illegal as weed so...

Never really understood how some places even allow unregulated gun related things. Mostly risk and such.

[vale wraith]

Doesn’t America have the ATF for that? I don’t really know shit about guns, but don’t they have like incredibly weird and sometimes strict rules in most states?

Like one is just no Vertical grips on certain guns

So it’s not completely unregulated

But it does seem arbitrary in places

[paper trellis]

I could explain it to you in objective terms, but that gets into politics and not sure the server allows that

[unreal nova]

It's fine. Don't take the risk.

[unreal nova]

This just sounds weird though. Like unless the grip is dangerous to the user, why even?

[paper trellis]

Willing to do so in dms, but not any imperiative. Was just communicating not risking it in server

[paper trellis]

To do a roundabout outlawing of specific guns

[unreal nova]

Oh. I guess to not anger some people.

But they do anyway.

[paper trellis]

Armalite platform rifles typically have a pistol grip as manufacturer spec. Make the grip illegal you make the gun illegal

[unreal nova]

But then they just swap it for another grip and it changes nothing though.

My guess it might affect handling, but still.

[paper trellis]

Nope, because the distributer that would do so can't buy it

[unreal nova]

As in, the manufacturer of the guns.

[paper trellis]

And it takes time for the manufacturer to change the parts, time that can be used to pass another law

Pistol grips are really just a comfort thing

[unreal nova]

Ah. but will ask something in DM, cos not sure how it will be here.

[paper trellis]

Feel free

[bitter turtle]

It wasn't to build pity

Corin is just one of my favorite characters

But it's ok

I malded so hard that I sold my account and bought a new one without him

[pseudo fiber]

Lmfao????

[frozen jungle]

I know farming this penance might be bad but how do i farm Stand up and Fight

That reward is just too drippy

[serene bough]

which one is that again?

[frozen jungle]

Shout Toughness 7500 points

[serene bough]

oh just spam shout

[tall torrent]

Play pox gas missions and keep tanking your toughness to 0 in the gas

Then use VoC

[serene bough]

you'll end up using VoC often anyways

[tall torrent]

That penance only tracks toughness u get filled with

[vital wren]

I got that one before I even half realized it was a penance.

Just by using shout

[frozen jungle]

ohhh okok

[sleek garden]

just had 3 vets and a psyker in auric maelstrom

game went easy mode

and two of us had smokes

nobody was able to shoot at us

[bitter turtle]

its true

unironically

i am now on asia server lel

[marsh quiver]

are there charged shot breakpoints on the plasma gun that are significantly better than just firing uncharged?

[hollow ibex]

nah just lmb spam everything

[cosmic aurora]

If I kill Wolfer will Cadia come back?

[serene bough]

grinding havoc is asssssssssssss

[hallow drift]

Literally just shout when you arbitrarily decide that other people or yourself need to breathe (their toughness is missing). It’ll complete in like 3-4 games ezpz

[hallow drift]

Same here lol

Got a “Penance Complete!” and I was just like “wait what did I do”

[rain badger]

FYI, you get true survivor even if you get 1 shot from a crusher. Doesn’t count as being downed

[marsh quiver]

new havoc strat incoming

[umbral parrot]

Badass. But how about jumping off the cliff then!?

Also, FRICK~! Got a console player on my team

DOn't know how to boot

[serene bough]

working as intended

reeeeee

[wooden moat]

menu, social, click on player, votekick

[umbral parrot]

I can only votekick when in game tho

[wooden moat]

can do during countdown for mission

[umbral parrot]

For HAVOC?

[wooden moat]

i mean like the screen where it shows the timer on the top right while waiting for everyone to ready up

can’t do in the morning star if im correct

[umbral parrot]

Yea, kinda BS.

[wooden moat]

tbf thats just typical fatshark design

[umbral parrot]

I'm calm, i'm cool.

Don't need to trash talk him.

[wooden moat]

to put it simply, if they perform like shit just note that they’re probably just suffering from low framerate or high ping

especially since xbox players in particular randomly experience that shit for the entire mission for no reason whatsoever

[umbral parrot]

Whatever. Just don't know why he joined. I literally said "Don't suck and don't die." and he did both lol.

And prick won't reply when i ask if i'm the only one bringing Field Imp.

[wooden moat]

not even on vc?

cause trying to type on xbox takes longer than the queue times for havoc

[umbral parrot]

I was waiting

[wooden moat]

if we’re talking at least 5 minutes then thats understandable

though I still find it questionable how casual players still attempt shit above havoc 25

[umbral parrot]

Yea

Dude attracted Daemonhost. Lol

[wooden moat]

I still think that Smokes should absolutely be necessary for vet in havoc

[umbral parrot]

** I LOVE SMOKES**

Yea, that's my go to grenade.

[wooden moat]

nevermind spamming a million kraks at a singular plague ogryn, a single smoke can essentially be the difference between life and death

and I genuinely hate myself for sleeping on them for so long

[umbral parrot]

Been a fan of them for a good long while.

[wooden moat]

like sure the high armor pierce and damage of the krak is always useful but those ones individually only deal with a single strong enemy

[umbral parrot]

But yea

A bit tilted the douche attracted a DH.

[wooden moat]

meanwhile a smoke just makes anything which isn’t a bomber completely worthless

[umbral parrot]

Won't go that far.

Shotgunners are still a pain, and the smoke's radius is kinda small. I feel more comfortable throwing two

[wooden moat]

just depends on the situation really