#veteran-class

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tawny timber
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40k blockchain

unreal nova
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I need to go commisar on teammates and aim at their heads to order them around, yes?

pastel yew
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my zealot, valleni. and my vetern, corpse starch

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unreal nova
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Mostly a joke since I do play with GF and a friend on VC.

pastel yew
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simple zealot drip looks so much nicer than most

wicked epoch
pastel yew
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I hate a lot of the weird armor they get

wicked epoch
terse idol
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Look into my loadout for drip
Open Box
All Krieg Larp

wicked epoch
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warhammer fan with gf

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impossibloe

terse idol
wicked epoch
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wish me luck

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im gonna use this support build

terse idol
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thought this was fun

wicked epoch
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dodge child support from dukane

tawny timber
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why are yo jealous of someone being gluten free

unreal nova
wicked epoch
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she will peg me

tall torrent
wicked epoch
tall torrent
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But Moebian 53rd veteran armor is just chadgryn

pastel yew
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commisar set on female rig making you look like a man

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terse idol
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The leg's are just off that I dunno what to think about it yet

wicked epoch
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@tall torrent whats the official meta way to talk to girls

pastel yew
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same with most of the cosmetics

tawny timber
terse idol
tawny timber
unreal nova
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Dukane errr, turns me on as well. Her outfit is just yes.

tall torrent
pastel yew
tall torrent
wicked epoch
pastel yew
wicked epoch
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walk up to sister of battle in the bar

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hit voice of command

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instant rizz

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trust me guys

tall torrent
wicked epoch
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cooked

tawny timber
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hot take, dukanes voice is too hot for her face

unreal nova
pastel yew
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hey girl... "LEAVEEE NON ALIVEEE!" how you doin?

sharp vault
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Play an Ogryn

wicked epoch
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agree

sharp vault
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gigachad

wicked epoch
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sister prine is the prettiest

wicked epoch
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shout "FOR CREED" in bed

tawny timber
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some of these female psykers tho

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got me ready to act up

wicked epoch
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sefoni tho..

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real

pastel yew
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dont listen to those voices

wicked epoch
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boutta act out for the tube lady

pastel yew
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that way death lies

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tube lady KEKW I think she

tawny timber
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🤤

wicked epoch
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death by psyker snu snu

pastel yew
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might have a name yknow

wicked epoch
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sefoni

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sister prine is too boring

pastel yew
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god she must get so bored in there

tawny timber
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edging the warp

wicked epoch
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too vanilla

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real

unreal nova
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Just bed them all if possible. Being a little open to poly is heh.

pastel yew
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but maybe she's like.. divination psyker or whatever

wicked epoch
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sister prine must be a freak

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imagine all the frustration

tawny timber
wicked epoch
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she just sits around

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getting annoyed

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by melk

pastel yew
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horny ass vet chat

unreal nova
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I mean, why else did I end up with a sister of Slaanesh in TTRPG.

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XD

tawny timber
pastel yew
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because you.. s-strive for perfection right?

wicked epoch
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dukane pegs me enough bro

unreal nova
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Up to the point of bedding a farseer, yes.

pastel yew
wicked epoch
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female vets either throw drinks at me face at the mention of cadia

wicked epoch
bitter turtle
unreal nova
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Extra heretical is... wait, do I need to blam myself now?

pastel yew
wicked epoch
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once you get hit with the Branx pattern Mk. VII power phallus

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you can never go back

tawny timber
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the moaning star

wicked epoch
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real

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and sad

unreal nova
pastel yew
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oh lmao

bitter turtle
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Same

wicked epoch
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i wish dukane would stop pegging me so hard

unreal nova
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Kissing girls and such came naturally.

wicked epoch
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rolling steel is too hard

pastel yew
wicked epoch
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(not really)

pastel yew
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you cant get rolling steel in havoc right?

wicked epoch
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rolling steel gets hard when your in a vc

pastel yew
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I'd end my life

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I hate that mission

wicked epoch
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but if you get it with randoms

pastel yew
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though I did play it recently and

wicked epoch
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everyones like

pastel yew
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they did fix some of my complaints so

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maybe its not so bad

wicked epoch
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automatically knowing their jobs

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in vc you gotta actually coordinate

pastel yew
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no juggling the ball for the entire mission, only one objective

bitter turtle
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I don't think rolling steel would work

wicked epoch
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its better to just monkey brain

bitter turtle
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It would either be too easy or too hard

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If they spawn traitor captains

pastel yew
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I'd lean on too easy

bitter turtle
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It would be absurd

wicked epoch
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the rolling steel auric i did was

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high intensity shock

pastel yew
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given the heavy cc meta that seems to have formed

wicked epoch
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traitor captains with plasma pistols and mauls

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iron halo

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to be obliterated by some dude who gets pegged

unreal nova
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Rolling steel, everyone gets flung off but the revolver vet who wants to die.

bitter turtle
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I mean the time limit with 2 or 3 traitor captains dropping on you would just waste way too much time

pastel yew
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man I will say playing havoc I do actually really enjoy the boss+captain spawns

tawny timber
unreal nova
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Since I can't solo till I somehow do.

tawny timber
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the corporatization of the imperium

pastel yew
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maybe that will change when I hit an actually challenging level but

bitter turtle
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But then removing them and the random double bosses would be too easy

pastel yew
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for now its cool

tall torrent
# pastel yew you cant get rolling steel in havoc right?

No

The current havoc map set is:

  • Mercantile (carnival)
  • Warren (carnival)
  • Dark Communion (carnival)
  • Clandestium Gloriana (interzone void)
  • Chasm Logistratum (chasm terminus)
  • Refinery Delta (hourglass)
  • Vigil Station (torrent)
  • Archivum Sycorax (throneside)
pastel yew
unreal nova
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Fuk Gloriana though. I refuse to even go near it on Damnation.

bitter turtle
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Gloriana is my favorite map

pastel yew
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what's the end arena like on whatever the first carnival map was

tall torrent
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Hardest two are logistratum and Gloriana

pastel yew
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as thats normally super dead

bitter turtle
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Is logistratum hard? I never felt that way

frank ledge
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Nah logistratum is shrimple

Only big issues are gloriana tbh

tall torrent
pastel yew
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at least you know pretty quick if you're gonna win or lose on gloriana

elder fiber
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finally got full havoc penance set, time to not use any of the individual pieces together so I can do shit like this instead

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unreal nova
pastel yew
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whats that from

tawny timber
pastel yew
tall torrent
frank ledge
unreal nova
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6 million boom barrels and constant double poxboomers.

pastel yew
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no joke like 50% of games I've played on that map have had at least one barrel death

frank ledge
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What is not avoidable is the first event

elder fiber
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thankfully it doesn't bother me much lol

bitter turtle
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I love it when a dh spawns on the safe staircase forcing you to go down the deathtrap tunnel

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In gloriana

pastel yew
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kinda fucked up

unreal nova
elder fiber
tall torrent
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I can’t wait for hab dreyko havoc rotation where they spawn a DH immediately under the first drop

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U have to do a parkour on the side to get around it

unreal nova
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Also, if you play ogryn.

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The door after the first event can get you stuck.

pastel yew
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I honestly though daemonhosts would be some kinda condition

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make fighting them an actual thing that needs to happen rather than

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giga avoid

unreal nova
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Do NOT stand where the door opens.

bitter turtle
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Remember the dh after the scan in hab dreyko

unreal nova
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You will get pinned.

elder fiber
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lmao

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I miss that one

bitter turtle
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Where you had to make the jump over the railing

elder fiber
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so much

bitter turtle
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They reworked that arwa

unreal nova
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And have to pray for a gunner to kill you.

bitter turtle
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I miss that

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Lol

pastel yew
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I do not remember that at all

elder fiber
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yeah its tragic

tall torrent
bitter turtle
unreal nova
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GF had it happen to her trying Ogryn.

bitter turtle
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You go into an airlock

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Ish thing

pastel yew
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the megaone?

bitter turtle
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Then it opens to a square shaped area with a medicar

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Into the drop down where you have to go up multiple flights of stairs

pastel yew
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okay I know where you mean

bitter turtle
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The old version could spawn a dh

pastel yew
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daemonhost spawn down there?

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is wild

bitter turtle
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Right in the middle of the only obvious path

pastel yew
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I dont think I remember seeing that

bitter turtle
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The sekrit way to do was parkour over the railing (and not fall off)

pastel yew
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daemonhosts are in such a boring design space right now

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I honestly sorta hate them

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wasted enemy

unreal nova
bitter turtle
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But before there was not

tall torrent
bitter turtle
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Didnt mean to reply

unreal nova
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Ah.

frank ledge
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After rework DH sucks

pastel yew
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yee I figured

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I just want a reason to fight them

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make them a chance for end boss on assassination missions or something

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or

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idk

compact oracle
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cant wait until they add a 30 plasteel reward so now i can watch even more people run into them and die

unreal nova
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To be fair DH is just, unfun if you know you can't beat and it's in an annoying spot since AI can screw you over.

pastel yew
unreal nova
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If you have some two shot person, what DH?

compact oracle
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demonhost as actual boss (perhaps with more interesting moveset) would be nice

pastel yew
compact oracle
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but i dont want the stationary demonhosts to have a reward at all

pastel yew
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yeah its current movesets kinda dead

frank ledge
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There's a small monetary +

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for DH

terse idol
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as is it's j ust a road block

tall torrent
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Its current moveset is lol

compact oracle
terse idol
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I played an entire playthrough of l4d2 recently and yeah

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They just kinda exist

unreal nova
pastel yew
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the left for dead witches were goofy though

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being able to one tap them is silly

terse idol
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Best case is the AI doesn't try to interact with it

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well yeah

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We're like

compact oracle
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i dont believe you that it exists

terse idol
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Pretty well above l4d noooow let's be fair

tall torrent
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The problem is that u can’t rly practice for it unless u specifically decide to suffer in meat grinder for a few hours but the meat grinder version is actually harder because there’s no lag compensation

pastel yew
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true

terse idol
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Darktide is like l4d++

pastel yew
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I wish l4d didnt feel so dated

terse idol
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Yeeahh

pastel yew
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lot of nostalgia for that game

terse idol
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Fun arcade shooter though!
Steam workshop keeps it sooo alive

unreal nova
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If you mean DH, I just hold block on Psyker.

pastel yew
unreal nova
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If it's a shit spot.

pastel yew
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at least to get the dodge itself down

compact oracle
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l4d not having blocking hurts

pastel yew
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maybe for weaving in attacks

unreal nova
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Otherwise, sneaking.

tall torrent
pastel yew
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can psyker actually just hold block? is that not too much peril gen

terse idol
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It doesn't need blocking because imo the games not meant to be deep

tall torrent
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There’s a pretty absurd amount of pushback

terse idol
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I'll also say WWZ slaps

pastel yew
tall torrent
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And u can’t dodge while being pushed back

unreal nova
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Till ogryn thicc butt pulls it or the smite/shock staff Psyker shocks it.

compact oracle
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to be clear i dont want l4d3 to be darktide, i mean that im used to blocking as a defense

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never played wwz

unreal nova
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Then facepalm while alt firing and hoping it dies.

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Inferno staff btw.

pastel yew
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the ogryn shield just being able to block it entirely feels goofy too

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dont really think that should be a thing

terse idol
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that's fair

compact oracle
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is shield that good otherwise

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(shovel lover only)

pastel yew
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yeah shields p good

compact oracle
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damn

pastel yew
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I enjoy it but its movesets kinda boring

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its main saving grace is that first heavy

compact oracle
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i gave up on having a shield because i couldnt roll a good one before crafting update

pastel yew
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makes me feel things in my soul

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crunchy ass animation

unreal nova
pastel yew
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+9 stam is always optimal chadgryn

unreal nova
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On malice, I combo does like 3-5% tops.

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Might be less.

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I usually die from corruption if my team sucks beyond heck.

tall torrent
unreal nova
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I heard.

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Was % or so.

pastel yew
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was it % based

tall torrent
pastel yew
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gross

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and since regens a flat rate

tall torrent
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If u had more stamina, but since your stamina regen rate remained same

pastel yew
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yeah I see your point

tall torrent
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You regained it slower

pastel yew
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thats so disgusting

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I hate it

tall torrent
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After change

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deadshot went from

unreal nova
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I have stam regen on that Psyker as well.

tall torrent
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Dogshit

unreal nova
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If there's no safe corners.

tall torrent
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To slightly less dogshit but still pretty bad

pastel yew
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deadshot definitely fun though

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kinda goofy with automatic weapons but I guess thats the point

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I sorta hate the lasguns dont get surgical

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I'd be so happy

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stam regen is super nice yeah

unreal nova
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But yeah, I don't suggest seriously doing the +9 stam, you WILL be paper.

pastel yew
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I normally run.. 2? curios with it

tall torrent
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Its the onslaught equivalent for crit build basically

pastel yew
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I cant really remember

unreal nova
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And if you even lose a tiny bit of toughness doing it, you will die.

pastel yew
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nah because onslaught is a waste to get any effect, the tiny stam loss isnt really a big deal

tall torrent
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U spend so much trying to make it work you’re kind of better off spending those points & slots on better things

tall torrent
pastel yew
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if you're already running focus target its 1 more

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ditto with ws I guess but that sounds not great

tall torrent
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You need stamina curios
You kind of need stamina recovery talents (at least 1)
You kind of want stamina regen rate curio perks

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It ends up being a lot more investment

pastel yew
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a single +3 is more than enough

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more is just funny

tall torrent
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Than just 3~4 points

unreal nova
pastel yew
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the stam recovery yeah you do need

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but tbh I normally run those things anyway

tall torrent
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Normally veteran doesn’t even need a single +stamina curio

pastel yew
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I like having stam

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most of my favourite weapons rn have heavy push attack use

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feels good to have that extra amount

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nice for reviving people

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nice for getting about

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idk I dont really feel another health or toughness curio would give me much

tall torrent
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PA is not as dependent on stamina amount as most people think

unreal nova
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Is just nice if nothing deletes toughness.

tall torrent
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PA is mainly dependent on stamina regen delay in response to attack timings

pastel yew
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I mean it depends on the situation

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having more stamina is going to mean you can do X + push attack

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if you're down to no stam

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then yeah its all delay

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but I dont really find I'm often down to 0 stamina in melee when its being managed

tall torrent
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It’s usually all delay

unreal nova
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Funny slow tank speed psyker just noselling till shotgunner says fuk you.

pastel yew
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vet does feel significantly better with one delay node

tall torrent
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Unless u somehow run max sprint efficiency on top of +stamina

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Which is just a waste

pastel yew
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might unironically run sprint efficiency with the combat blade... for maximum zoom

tall torrent
unreal nova
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I run stam+stam regen on vet since deadshot critical for faster boom.

tall torrent
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No other melee weapon needs it

pastel yew
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the chain axe push attack is super useful

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power sword yeah not relaly given you dont often have to use the combo

unreal nova
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I know surgical is enough but.

tall torrent
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That’s more attack speed than stamina

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You actually can’t execute it very fast in succession

pastel yew
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it's gonna usually kill whatever you hit with it though

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I am also biased because

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thrust attacks

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always cool

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chain axe definitely needs attack speed

tall torrent
pastel yew
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I've tried without and it feels so bad

unreal nova
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But don't power swords 4 hit crushers powered up?

pastel yew
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power swords can kill in 21

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2

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bah

unreal nova
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Using the swing swing mark?

tall torrent
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Sunder allows u to cleave through carapace

unreal nova
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With a ranged focused build.

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On malice.

tall torrent
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Again, you need sunder

unreal nova
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I only have the +2 hits or so.

pastel yew
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with mk6 you can push attack cancel > light 1

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to kill a crusher

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not sure about your weapon stats or whatever else

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but at least when you have one with decent stats that sthe case

unreal nova
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Not maxed since lvling it rn.

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But it's 79/80 damage.

pastel yew
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good one to get capped

tall torrent
pastel yew
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yee

tall torrent
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Every other blessing not really relevant

unreal nova
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I'm already using power cycler.

pastel yew
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I hate that hey gutted the power sword itself

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rather than just

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removing power cycler

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and balancing from there

tawny timber
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what did they nerf

pastel yew
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such a stupid blessing

tawny timber
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when it was busted

unreal nova
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Too ex to gamble with transcends cos rng bricked too many guns for me.

pastel yew
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and maybe some stat changes

tawny timber
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power cycler gave 6?

pastel yew
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but thats the memorable change

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I have no idea, I didnt have power cycler at the time

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but it gave it more for sure

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it was insane

unreal nova
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Go to 400 with perfect. End at 500 with 75 ammo 65 mobility.

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Or some other bad combo.

tawny timber
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just ran gunker with vraks mk v

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sigmas gaze

pastel yew
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giga build

tawny timber
pastel yew
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honestly I think the scriers gaze set up is less fun than other ones on psyker

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you lose a lot of that cool psyker flair

tawny timber
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ive been enjoying tf out of scriers gaze

pastel yew
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I'm a simp for kinetic flayer + wall shields

tawny timber
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i never used to use it

unreal nova
pastel yew
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yeah but

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its the vraks

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you already shoot stronk

unreal nova
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And ammo gremlin.

tawny timber
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i have mostly been using it with purgatus

pastel yew
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thats why I run kinetic flayer

tawny timber
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i use scriers gaze with the fgs

pastel yew
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kinetic flayer saves you a lot of ammo

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also means you have BR for dealing with other things

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like free decent boss damage

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definitely not as strong of a set up, but enough to clear auric maelstrom easily

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and this was before psyker shit got buffed

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not sure how much changed though as I dont really follow psyker changes

unreal nova
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I mean, it works with inferno alt fire.

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So I don't need to ammo gremlin.

pastel yew
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what does?

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lil confused as to what you're referencing

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scriers gaze or?

unreal nova
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Naw, gun psykers.

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Running their stuff usually means grabby ammo.

pastel yew
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inferno alt fire then?

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oh the sword?

unreal nova
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Moonlight greatsword yes.

pastel yew
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mmh mmh

unreal nova
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Is funni.

pastel yew
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the kinetic flayer changes are good

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imo though it was a super slept on node

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everyone just saw that it can proc on any enemy and assumed it was trash

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even though it barely ever did when it was relevant

unreal nova
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I mean, is just a better crit on a stupid CD.

pastel yew
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only 10s?

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I thnk

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think

unreal nova
pastel yew
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hmm

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up often enough though yee

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its a lot of free damage over the course of a game

unreal nova
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Mhm.

pastel yew
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also its

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got a combo with empower psionics I dont think most people know about

unreal nova
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Bonus if it's the mutie about to hit you and just ragdolls.

pastel yew
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which is that it gains the damage buff

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but doesnt consume a stack

unreal nova
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Yeah.

pastel yew
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which means you can effectively cheat out free stacks

unreal nova
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Just get the kill elite one.

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You basically have 15 sec cd bigger boom.

pastel yew
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man the kill elite with BR is so fucking funny

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stim, wall wall

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BAP BAP BAP BAP BAP BAP BAP

unreal nova
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You get to be all, nope, no specials here randomly.

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Since they go boom while you are calling out on VC.

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Since malice means no real packs bar patrols.

tall torrent
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For example

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If u have uncanny (5) and slaughterer (5) on your force sword

unreal nova
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Smite+the shock staff.

tall torrent
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That gets applied to the kinetic flayer proc

unreal nova
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Does that still work?

pastel yew
unreal nova
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Can confirm only the latter.

pastel yew
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brain rupture is just a nother one of those things people really unfairly beat on

tall torrent
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Yes because uncanny is coded as total rending while weapon is in hand
And slaughterer is coded as total strength while weapon is in hand

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Damage vs armor perks also apply

unreal nova
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Big big boom cos whack hordes.

pastel yew
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I think uncanny also applies to warpfire stacks too right?

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which is

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kinda silly

tall torrent
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Uncanny is the most broken blessing in the game

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Too strong, too boring

pastel yew
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I dont mind it in a vaccuum

tall torrent
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It needs to be nerfed

pastel yew
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like as a trade off for a weapon to be good into carapace

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but it combining with other things is dead

unreal nova
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Cos run Slaughterer and Deflection.

tall torrent
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It needs to be like 20% max and only melee rending

pastel yew
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I'd also say its more "fun"? than most blessings as its one of the view that can change up how you use the weapon

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20% max would be

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worthless

tall torrent
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No

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20% is in line with veteran’s rending talents which are fine

unreal nova
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Uncanny is even better for faster stuff though.

pastel yew
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idk I dont really think the vet rending talents are that good

unreal nova
tall torrent
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In the context of an attack that deals 0.6 ADM vs carapace, +20% rending would make it do 0.8 ADM vs carapace which is still a 33% multiplicative increase to damage

pastel yew
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is not a lot

tall torrent
unreal nova
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Already have the big one, the elite one.

tall torrent
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You’re horribly misinterpreting what I’m saying

pastel yew
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I dunno I think generally it feels fine

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at least on the combat blade and shovel

unreal nova
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It's probs not needed with handcannon.

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But well, boom!

pastel yew
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handcannon is aight

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idk I dont mind the revolver exploding armor

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its just being able to reload it for free is dumb

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given thats the primary drawback of the weapon

tall torrent
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It’s not fine on knife
Shovel needs base damage bumped up, it shouldn’t have to crutch on uncanny

unreal nova
pastel yew
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idk if I had my way carapace as a whole would be changed

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its way too impactful against some weapons

unreal nova
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And I run the quick reload if 1 shot left.

pastel yew
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and not at all to others

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with little genuine trade off

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ogryn health is also giga low

tall torrent
pastel yew
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in an ideal world best carapace clear is

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like

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chainaxe level

unreal nova
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Since usually shoot 4 times, throw krak, reload, dead crushers.

tall torrent
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lol

pastel yew
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but it would require a lot of change

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at least crushers would feel like more than a vision blocke

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r

tall torrent
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Carapace is generally fine where it stands

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Excessive rending from uncanny isn’t

pastel yew
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eh I dont really think its fun to engage with generally

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the game really went in the direction of

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lots of not really all that threatening enemies

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vs actually making those enemies impactful and balancing from there

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although the capacity is fun, and it feeds the power fantasy

unreal nova
pastel yew
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its not good for gameplay

unreal nova
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My shield goes poof so fast.

tall torrent
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With the exception of duelling swords and uncanny strike being excessively high rending I think carapace is fine where it is

pastel yew
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thats because you're new, and playing on console though

unreal nova
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Naw, just controller.

pastel yew
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gunners are only really threatening in havoc because of the condition that makes em giger

unreal nova
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I have it on Steam lul.

pastel yew
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why would you do that to yourselfff

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;-;

unreal nova
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Turbo controller for my poor hand.

pastel yew
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ahh makes sense

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still rough

desert viper
#

does getting pinned by a dog count as taking melee damage?

pastel yew
unreal nova
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I basically think it went part numb after my zealot weeklies.

pastel yew
unreal nova
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Price of knife3/DS4

tall torrent
pastel yew
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true, though it's ranged options for doing so are kinda

tall torrent
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I’m not against having more ranged anti-carapace options either

pastel yew
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very limited in selection

unreal nova
pastel yew
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though not in strength

tall torrent
pastel yew
unreal nova
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I can, only on Zealot.

pastel yew
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generally gunners are kinda meaningless unless you run right into their face over aggressive

unreal nova
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I just run out of steam on everything else.

pastel yew
#

you could try weapon specialist more maybe?

tall torrent
grand perch
unreal nova
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Also part 2 of why my hands ded.

pastel yew
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gives stamina and better dodges

unreal nova
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Inf dodge.

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Inf pokes.

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Poke poke poke poke poke.

pastel yew
#

yeah the heavy attack spam weapons are

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really rough

tall torrent
pastel yew
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I wish you could assign a dedicated melee heavy key

unreal nova
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Even light spam.

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Still ded.

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Turbo only works for light spam.

tawny timber
#

titanfall 2 smartgun

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need

pastel yew
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melta gun on zealot.. melta gun on zealot.. melta gun on zealot..

unreal nova
#

Just keep poking heds.

pastel yew
#

I do think its fine for weapons to be bad into armor types but

tawny timber
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make exe stance work like soldier 76

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aimbot mode

pastel yew
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it does feel like the system gets whacky at points

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some weapons are giga useless into carapace and nothing should ever just be that worthles

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also flak armor feels like a straight downgrade a lot of the time

unreal nova
pastel yew
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bro take your shirt off you'll live longer

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semi unrelated but

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I also really dont think a long las would fit the game

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unless it had some kinda canted sight which I doubt it would

unreal nova
#

Too small for actual snoopers.

pastel yew
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some areas it'd feel good but generally yea

unreal nova
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Like the scope will feel awkward bar a few maps.

pastel yew
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I think its more one of those people went for cool aesthetics than anything else

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I mean the weapon customization mod lets you add scopes to weapons

unreal nova
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Unless it's toggleable.

pastel yew
#

and they all feel absolutely dreadful

unreal nova
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Cos sure, a big boom gun, but how to deadshot ads with 12x zoom?

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Unless it pierces so much, you just hipfire and lul.

unreal nova
pastel yew
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I'm not against regular sights but

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the magnification ones are rough

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even the lowest is still not ideal

unreal nova
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I only find the revolver actually usable at times.

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And I'm still better off turning my monitor's built in crosshair on.

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It's basically a perma cross with dot in middle of screen.

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More visible than the motion dot and makes aiming for psyker stuff better.

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Motion dot becomes invis when b&w as well for me, so it does bugger all for the thing it's supposed to do anyway.

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Then again, a perma flashbang (B&W to me is like vent purge.) means you see nothing anyway.

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It's just me and my eyes though, so yeah. Is another reason to not go higher diffs since I will be forced to go wounds to deal with randos picking up grims.

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Or grim corruption resist...

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Sorry, I kinda ramble alot when I feel comfortable. Then just go hide after.

pastel yew
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no need to apologise Kleo

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its just sorta dead hours given americans mostly aslep

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and euros off to work

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9am where I'm at and runnin on no sleep

pseudo fiber
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I mean I'm working hard

tawny timber
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2am

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unemployed activities??

fluid escarp
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I ramble at 2am and am employed, i just barely sleep thumbsup_ogryn

unreal nova
#

Ah. Is 5:53pm.

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4 vet games lul

tawny timber
#

this shit got me pissing my pants

odd wind
#

anyone have issues with havoc game saying player in party ineligible?

pseudo fiber
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Collect your havoc rewards

unreal nova
odd wind
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it worked after i restarted

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but now i have another issue where it says new game version and we can't play together because he managed to download it and i don't have an update LOL

pseudo fiber
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Restart steam

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There's a tiny update

frank ledge
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with no patchnotes

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sus

pseudo fiber
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https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-57-1-6-4-patch-notes/103372

Fatshark Forums
The Fatshark Forums

Hey Everyone, We’ve got a small change going out today. This is specifically for XBOX. However this update is rolling out to all platforms to ensure each platform is on the same version for cross play support reasons. Hotfix #57 (1.6.4) is currently rolling out to players. Changes Changes to logging for Xbox specific freeze and disconnect iss...

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There you go

elder fiber
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nah they posted smth on the forum , it's just an xbox fix they had to apply to other platforms too

frank ledge
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so nothing on steam

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...back to old mistakes

unreal nova
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So one game on my Zealot and my hand ded again. Heh.

austere pine
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can i get a full meta, pre dueling sword, veteran build with all the bells and whistles?

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like voc, meta aura, meta keystone, meta talents, meta gun and meta melee (anything except dueling sword and heavy sword cuz yuckers)

pseudo fiber
austere pine
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i don't even mean for havoc, because those builds tend to be a lot different. i'm looking to get ASS so i can also have the original top drip

pseudo fiber
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Then use that lol

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It's a good build

unreal nova
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Thing is plasma op, just boring.

pseudo fiber
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I believe meta was specifically requested

unreal nova
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Seriously. If you can deal with the delay every shot, it just decimates everything.

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Yeah. Just telling them if they want OP, just run plasma.

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It's the ranged DS4 as some friends joke.

austere pine
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i hate plasma with a passion but it's still lesser than ds4

frail skiff
#

Alternative would be a Lucius Helbore MK IV

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I got my tuned where 3 headshot crits blams a crusher

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Everything lesser melts in 1 headshot

unreal nova
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I personally hate the charge up even for 'quick' shots. And the Hellbore is the same.

frail skiff
#

Then grab a revolver

unreal nova
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I have one.

frail skiff
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Then use it

unreal nova
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I do.

frail skiff
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Then keep using it

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Mk X Laspistol also slaps

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Great ammo economy

unreal nova
#

Heavy las? Is nice but straining on my hands.

frail skiff
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Then get the auto fire mod

dire olive
#

Isn't Mk II just better?

unreal nova
#

Dunno, but they all feel fine imo. Just lack the BOOM the revolver or Bpistol has.

frail skiff
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I've been comfortably using it in 20+ havoc

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1 taps most things to the head. Infernus lets me stack fire on things that have the armor buff

dire olive
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Mk II one-shots a lot of smaller enemies too (and bigger ones if you use MF), saving some ammo, and also stacks infernus faster and I think has higher dps

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I guess Mk X might be better if you're doing deadshot

unreal nova
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I mostly tried it to lvl to 20. XD

frail skiff
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I do use it with Deadshot

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I also have a crap ton of stamina

unreal nova
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Is why I said it's fine, just lack the boom feel.

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+6.

frail skiff
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Cost of firing lasers

unreal nova
#

Probs overkill for revolver but still.

frail skiff
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You get pew pew over boom

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As I like to say: Lasers will keep it clean

dire olive
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And save a ton of ammo

unreal nova
#

But heads go boom just... yes.

frail skiff
#

Your ammo economy go poof

unreal nova
#

Unless mauler, they get body shots.

frail skiff
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I feel that las is just the way to go for high level havoc in most cases since Shock Trooper just lets you print ammo with survivalist

unreal nova
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I kinda want fire team for a breakpoint though.

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But ammo gremlins.

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Is dreg ragers.

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Takes 1 crit and something else.

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The amount is so tiny.

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If I shout before, they just die.

frail skiff
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You using Focus target or WS?

unreal nova
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Nil.

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What is keystones?

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To be more exact, the only one I can take is tag, but I can't really tag without getting killed.

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I can choose to move or stop moving to hit the tag button.

frail skiff
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Without getting... what is your tag bound to?

unreal nova
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Up dpad.

frail skiff
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Oooooh, console

unreal nova
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I have dodge on bumper.

frail skiff
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I got tag bound to my mouse 4 button so it's a simple click of the thumb while aiming

unreal nova
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If I do tag.

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It means crusher pack and I'm either dead soon or panicking hard.

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Since I can kill maybe 3 before going down.

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Depends on how lucky I get with fast crits.

frail skiff
#

I imagine your team is also helping?

unreal nova
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Nope.

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Maybe.

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Pubs is gamble.

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If I'm playing with GF, kinda.

frail skiff
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Yeah, I know that feeling

unreal nova
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Depends on if she's dealing with crap on her end.

frail skiff
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Feels tedius when the you don't have the squad playing with you and have to hope that the randos know how to handle them selves for more than 10 seconds

unreal nova
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Cos 1 crit 1 normal head kills a crusher.

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So can shoot two down and krak a third.

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Yes, malice/heresy.

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It takes 3 shots for Damnation.

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Assuming no other buff sources other than VoC.

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Cos you know, possibly no teammate to help.

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Also, the Powersword can wound a fourth, but I can't 3 shot with it yet.

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Needs at least 4 powered hits.

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Also, it sucks at dodging.

frail skiff
#

Indeed

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And don't forget that a gentle breeze will make you lose your charge

unreal nova
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Which is pain.

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I know from moonlight greatsword lul.

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Just get breeze in your face.

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RIP max charge.

frail skiff
#

What's that? You want to rip that horde in half? Here's a random trash mob to tap your ass mid swing to ruin the entire thing

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Was honestly the worst thing they did to power sword

unreal nova
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Ah yes, the random backstab.

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Especially on big slow weapons that suck at dodging.

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Is like, are you telling me to just revolver the horde then?

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Yes, enjoy your second charge going poof as well.

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And now you are swarmed wishing you had wrath and slaughterer instead.

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Cos they only need to hit to work lmao.

pseudo fiber
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Simply activate block cancel push attack L1 the crusher

unreal nova
#

Most of the time, the crushers ignore pushes.

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I only ever saw them even stagger a little to the moonlight GS tbh.

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And it's still not enough.

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Mostly due to being more block focused on Psyker and dodge focused on Zealot and Vet.

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I just can't Ogryn. I would force myself to if I could at least make a female Ogryn.

pseudo fiber
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Push them?

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please tell me that works

unreal nova
#

But the playstyle and how bad it is at just being too big and eating so much more gunner shots just feels bad.

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Like I said, not all the time for me.

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IDK if it's just lag, but it's NOT consistent in normal play.

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I'm just dead once out of dodges, especially with how bad the PS dodge is.

pseudo fiber
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That's why I dump cleave targets

unreal nova
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I thought the Devil Claw was bad, but you can at least gamble parry.

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To be fair, even with +25 flak, took forever to kill chaff.

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And considering I normally kill my hand with knife zealot which kills the same in 3 light hits on a 6.

unreal nova
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Though I guess since you can't strafe in a circle, it's not as good.

pseudo fiber
# unreal nova But isn't that good for hordes?

Cleave targets affects number of enemies attacks can go through.
Powered mode makes it better plus you're using brutal momentum.

It doesn't add anything at that point so may as well take the dodge distance

unreal nova
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Ah. Was wondering about sunder.

midnight totem
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Sunder is good against mixed hordes

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Better on mk3 then mk6 though

unreal nova
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I'm using the one that has mostly horizontal slashes.

pseudo fiber
paper trellis
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Just to make sure I’m not being a schitzo, dump stats on gear is largely the same between classes yeah?

pseudo fiber
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Relatively yes

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Mobility or defense

unreal nova
#

Warp Resist for Psyker. But that's about it.

paper trellis
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Psyker’s dump stat is warp resist on the warp weapons?

paper trellis
unreal nova
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More or less.

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You rather mobility than Warp resist.

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You want to get peril faster to be able to quell anyway.

paper trellis
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Well that’s damn good to know. I haven’t really played my psyker yet

unreal nova
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And you want to edge 80-100 mostly.

paper trellis
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Mostly been playing my vet and playing my zealot on the side

unreal nova
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So always dump Warp Resist.

paper trellis
unreal nova
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Only on the Voidstrike, you may want to drop Quell speed, since that thing kinda generates peril FAST.

unreal nova
paper trellis
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That’s the circle of death one yeah?

unreal nova
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You get more damage the higher it is.

vernal spoke
unreal nova
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Staves also tend to have things like, more crit the higher your peril and such.

vernal spoke
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Voidstrike is warp dodgeballs

paper trellis
#

Which one is strike?

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Oh

unreal nova
#

Void Strike is the... FIREBALL.

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Kinda.

paper trellis
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Oh damn

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I don’t really see that one a lot

unreal nova
#

Inferno is the blue flamer.

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Then the electro, which is budget smite.

paper trellis
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Good to know

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Was thinking of starting to level my psyker this week, so that’s really valuable info

unreal nova
#

Tbh, Trauma, the one with the crazy knock down, is usually the best, but I hate it cos it's the most annoying to aim.

paper trellis
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All of the staves are viable yeah?

unreal nova
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For now, yeah.

vernal spoke
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Yep

unreal nova
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Havoc is trauma or Inferno.

pseudo fiber
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*voidblast not trauma

unreal nova
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Oh right, renames.

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Voidblast or Inferno.

vernal spoke
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Yeah it used to be trauma

paper trellis
#

Still working on getting perfect rolls on all weapons on my vet, so can alternate between that and lvling psyker

unreal nova
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As for melees.

paper trellis
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Thankfully almost done, just need a bistol and ilasgun

unreal nova
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You either pick DS4 or Demios/Illisi force sword.

paper trellis
#

Dueling or force swords for it

unreal nova
#

But that's havoc minmaxing.

paper trellis
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Knife not good on psyker?

unreal nova
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You can use it, but then it's purely for mobility.

paper trellis
#

So it doesn’t have the damage it has on vet and zealot?

vernal spoke
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Absolutely not

unreal nova
#

I mean, unless you do some funny scryers melee...

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But at that point, just go moonlight greatsword.

paper trellis
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That moonlight does look awesome Ngl

unreal nova
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Err, Force greatsword.

paper trellis
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I play a lot of souls ik what you meant lol

serene bough
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knife mobility really is a godsend

paper trellis
#

Well and armored core as the pfp might suggest

serene bough
#

i struggle to play w/ other melee weapons bc of it

unreal nova
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Pick the one with the funny overhead heavy.

paper trellis
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Honestly it does remind me more of its ac iteration but that’s a tangent

unreal nova
#

It's the better of the two marks.

vernal spoke
paper trellis
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Is it about as strong as the relic sword in practice?

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Because relic legitimately feels fantastic to play

unreal nova
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Could be stronger if used right.

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Just cleave everything.

vernal spoke
vestal widget
unreal nova
#

But I lack the skills and mechanical skills to use it right so heh.

vernal spoke
unreal nova
#

Just stroke the sword, boom.

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It still staggers even if uncharged btw.

paper trellis
vernal spoke
paper trellis
#

And honestly there’s not a ton of guns I like on zealot

unreal nova
vernal spoke
unreal nova
#

Mostly because Plasma go boom.

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What crushers?

woven vigil
#

Fellow Vetbros, what do you guys take to Havoc 30+? I had a friend take me to a 40 for the first time and I was constantly running out of ammo for my plasma and my Rashad was doing jackshit. I survived but it was pain KEKW_ogryn

Apart from getting gud, any advices or recommended setups?

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I am guessing duelling sword is a must?

paper trellis
#

You know, plasma really has way more ammo than it looks like at first

vernal spoke
#

Had a guy running autopistol veteran on havoc yesterday. I was just confused

unreal nova
#

If it's 1-10, it's like, sure whatever.

paper trellis
vernal spoke
unreal nova
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it's just malice++

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Then IDK.

#

It's the worst gun in the game.

vernal spoke
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Yeah it was weird

unreal nova
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Unless they are doing pure suppression stuff.

vernal spoke
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He was dead half the game

unreal nova
#

But still, enemy ded is best CC.

woven vigil
#

I see, and what do you guys run on ranged havoc?

unreal nova
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I don't really play it, and tbh. I drag my Psyker instead since the only guns I have are Revolver, BPistol and Recon...

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And from what I know, only the recon is viable, lul.

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Because burning is good there.

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Though other lasguns are probs more ammo efficient.

paper trellis
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From what I’ve seen the meta is more or less infernus recon, typically 14 for cleave, and a lot of shredder grenades

hearty panther
#

recon xiv is an awful pick

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elites got their hitmass buffed last patch and then you stack hitmass buffs from havoc

mossy oasis
#

right, so i got the animation for getting my resources from the weekly havoc chest

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but i didnt get the actual materials

hearty panther
#

youll scarcely cleave a bruiser let alone any valuable target

mossy oasis
#

Is this a known bug or am i just being fckd over by the commissar lady?

unreal nova
unreal nova
crisp oak
hearty panther
crisp oak
#

Would reccomend trying it if you havent (not in any havoks after 10)

hearty panther
#

think of it more like the flamethrowers than a projectile

crisp oak
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Its funny tazing ragers

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And maulers

hearty panther
#

(it also goes through walls so)

unreal nova
hearty panther
#

yes

unreal nova
#

Because I never really know how it worked in the back.

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Just funni big crescent laser boom.

hearty panther
#

recon xiv has 3 base cleave, at havocs that gets you ... two groaners and poxwalkers per shot and nothing else

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you're paying a premium in ammo and taking a hit to damage per shot value to achieve basically nothing

paper trellis
paper trellis
somber axle
#

Recon Mk VIc is the variant for Havocs for how ammo efficient it is vs the other two

spice wadi
#

What became of the clown

hearty panther
#

which one(s)

hollow ibex
storm badge
#

Im looking to run the vigilant autogun. Recommendations?

hollow rose
#

I recommend killing enemies with it

hollow ibex
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if you want something that feels like a DMR, the semi auto

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personally i think the 2 burst is a good balance, with excellent ammo economy

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recoil isn't great under sustained fire though

storm badge
hollow ibex
#

i'd go with HH/DA personally, but @faint beacon might have ideas

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and he's the real Agri addict here lol

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vigilants also have ghost, which is a very competitive option

storm badge
#

Never woulda guessed lmfao

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Idk why but I've never been able to properly use Ghost.

hollow ibex
#

it's pretty straightforward, you just play as you normally do 🤔

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esp since you absolutely need headshots on vigilant

storm badge
#

It has been a while since I gave the blessing a fair shake. Always used to feel like it didnt work when I expected it to.

somber axle
hollow rose
#

funny how highest level havocers would rather wait half an hour for lvl40 to show up rather than let dude 3 levels below join

somber axle
storm badge
hollow rose
#

also, i was wondering, is there actual difference between lvl 30 and lvl 40 havoc? The amount of modifiers is the same

radiant chasm
#

they only apply to the bonus damage while enemy type and armor type applies to the entire hit

somber axle
#

Yeah that

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Never go crit/weakspot perks

hollow ibex
#

well crit chance can be ok

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but otherwise yeah

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i go flakiac

storm badge
#

I never do, but Ive also never looked into it so I figured I'd ask

hollow ibex
#

since vigilants suffer against maniac, which are a kinda important armor type to be able to deal with

radiant chasm
hollow ibex
#

ok, but we're talking about perks

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not blessings

radiant chasm
#

yes, and your perks are dictated by your blessings

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and no weapon needs 5% crit chance

hollow ibex
#

nah

somber axle
#

As an example imagine your gun hits for 100 damage on a non-crit, 200 damage on a crit. With crit damage perk you get +10% but only on the bonus 100 for a total of 210. Say the target is a Mutie and you used Maniac. +25% applies to the total so you get 250

radiant chasm
#

especially ones with blessings that go up to 100% crit chance as is

hollow ibex
#

off the top of my head, i use crit chance on infernus reconlas

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there's prob a few others

crisp oak
hollow ibex
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not common though

radiant chasm
#

hell headhunter blessing on 3burst is a constant 40% crit chance

somber axle
#

Crit chance is solid on a few weapons but generally you get more mileage from the +25% to X perks

radiant chasm
storm badge
radiant chasm
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you aren't exactly ammo starved with recon tho, especially with survivalist or shocktroop

hollow ibex
#

it's mainly to proc infernus

storm badge
#

^

crisp oak
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Run 5% ammo on rumbler

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Get one more rumble

hollow ibex
#

i don't even take surv on reconlas most of the time

storm badge
#

Also likewise

radiant chasm
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i can kinda see it for high poxhardened

somber axle
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Surv Shock Trooper Reciprocity Recons with 5% crit perk feel nice for being able to spray beginning to end without ever fearing ammo even in ammo hungry squads LOL

radiant chasm
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but ehh? i'd rather just buff my infernus damage

hollow ibex
#

huh?

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crit chance is buffing infernus damage, by making it stack faster

radiant chasm
hollow ibex
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yes, but none of them matter besides unyielding

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and perhaps maniac

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but i prefer unyielding on the second slot

radiant chasm
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i mean, that goes for all enemies with infernus on, outside of havoc

hollow ibex
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all that matters is that you stack enough so that it dies

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and havoc is weird

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very different set of considerations there

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and given the conversation started with vigilant autoguns, i don't think we were talking about havoc lol

radiant chasm
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true

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i'm just saying, vigilants do not need crit chance perk period

hollow ibex
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no, i agree

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i think it's a bad idea to take crit chance on vigilants

stable shoal
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Is the vigilant autogun good ?

hollow ibex
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gale's prob gonna crucify me, but the truth is? eh

radiant chasm
crisp oak
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How use vigilant autos?

warm bolt
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What's the dump stat for plasma nowadays?

warm bolt
# crisp oak How use vigilant autos?

I've seen them used either for horde clearing or for elite sniping depending on the build but i dont think im educated enough to really tell you which one's better

crisp oak
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Dont think Ive ever seen a vigilant used

warm bolt
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Oh i swear there was a full auto autogun, my mistake sorry

crisp oak
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There is thats the infantry autogun

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warm bolt
hollow ibex
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80 everything else

crisp oak
warm bolt
hollow ibex
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this guy doing the lord's work

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must get pinged 20 times a day KEKW_ogryn

crisp oak
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Ill be running my 60 charge one

faint beacon
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I got pinged in here what am I summoned for

hollow ibex
faint beacon
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Well I know Path suggests Surgical/DA but that’s if you’re playing more passively

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If you play aggressively and use it’s less ADS zoom to its advantage run HH/DA

hollow ibex
faint beacon
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Cause then it let’s you constantly run around and pop elites and specials in the head

hollow ibex
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i'm really not a fan of the high zoom on the others

crisp oak
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2x scope on the revolver

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With the mod

faint beacon
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HH/DA is just better for a Run N Gun constant aggression type build

crisp oak
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Its funny

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Cant hit shit

faint beacon
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If you’re wanting to min max more patience do Surgical

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hollow ibex
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shit did i get the wrong person?

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oh i did KEKW_ogryn

storm badge
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Yeah xD

hollow ibex
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oops sorry kcl