veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

unlike the other two

[tall torrent]

And better damage per shot than XII

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[candid agate]

for once the middle ground is worth using

[bitter turtle]

well

ever since they buffed recons

its alwaysx been decent enough to use

just ammo efficiency was not really that important in auric mael, so its strong point was just a bit irrelevant

[tall torrent]

Total base damage
XII is (180+880)x60 = 63,600
VIc is (108+636)x98 = 72,912

[candid agate]

tbh i prefer weapons that specialise, so i shouldve stated for me it is worth using

compromises in weaponry are boring for me

i like extremes

[ivory rock]

So just came back a couple days ago but this def has insane potential for my grenade build right just gotta max it so I can max out the stats

[austere pine]

i hated xiv

[bitter turtle]

cleave is gud though

[dire olive]

Havoc making me unironically use the Helbore for once

[bitter turtle]

how's that going for you

[balmy flume]

Despite me making do with Bolt Pistol, I can say I have seen Plasma works wonders

For Havoc

[dire olive]

Could be worse

Not as bad as I was expecting

Havoc having better teammates makes weapon switches much safer in general I find

[bitter turtle]

in theory i think it should be pretty good

i just dont know how it fares into pus hardened modifier

its hard to actually test it

since if it suggs then im trolling my team lol

so anything i test i have to do it in like 25~

but then its not a real test since that just feels like auric

[dire olive]

Also need to be locked in with the headshots so it's a bit of a skill check too

Doesn't have the plasma/revolver/bolter bowling ball sized hitbox

[candid agate]

@bitter turtle the VIc is great, so much damage, so much ammo, so much fun

never ran out the whole game i just played

[manic echo]

what stat should I get on 60

[candid agate]

mobility

[bitter turtle]

no

cleave damage to 60

[manic echo]

[tall torrent]

Cleave damage

Mainly because the cleave damage is just bad and you’re not gonna cleave things with that in havoc

[terse idol]

Would cleave damage make a difference if you run a helbore with armour bane?
That's been my loadout recently and uh, maayyybbee I'm feeling it

[manic echo]

what are these symbol?

[terse idol]

Highest difficulty completion of that level

[tall torrent]

Why would that matter for duelling sword

[manic echo]

ic

[tall torrent]

Armourbane is brittleness on charged shot

[terse idol]

Woops i meant to say hotshot

[tall torrent]

Don’t think it’d matter a lot

Attack angles are bad for weakspot cleaving

[terse idol]

Hmm

[bitter turtle]

speaking of helbores

when are we gonna get this

https://i.gyazo.com/4961bb4aa96351460b50eefc9fe8e6c6.jpg

[candid agate]

never

[stuck gorge]

bros got his helbore for home defense

[bitter turtle]

its in the files

https://i.gyazo.com/8949e69adfd6977964845f07d9284f26.png

we crossbow now

[manic echo]

anyone have recon lasgun focus build?

or just plain infantry lasgun build is fine too

[bitter turtle]

what ability

voc?

[manic echo]

yep

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/3e47612dac60fb6872b366e97b08dce9.png

use with VIc or XIV

woirks for havoc

[manic echo]

what melee you using?

[bitter turtle]

ds4

in havoc

[manic echo]

ds4?

[bitter turtle]

dueling saber

[gilded wraith]

What perks and blessings for 6c?

[bitter turtle]

dumdum infernus

on all of them

[vapid surge]

Call me crazy but

i think i'd use the Braced auto-gun more if i could put Run & Gun on it

for the reduced spread

[crisp oak]

Hmmm flakmark

[manic echo]

thank

[crisp oak]

Hoe does it work with the bayonet?

[manic echo]

6c?

[queen fox]

I wish either braced auto or autopistol had runngun

[peak tree]

What is the main weapon combo being used in havoc these days? And is there a forced build in auric? I'm using bolter and combat axe and just working on my skills in damnation at the moment.

Basic damnation

[vapid surge]

think the Meta rn is Dueling sword & Plasma

[terse idol]

We got

[vapid surge]

if not plasma probably boltor

[terse idol]

Recon

Laspistol

[vital wren]

I don't think there's a forced build in Auric.

[terse idol]

Auric is whatever

[vapid surge]

Almost everything is viable tbh

[terse idol]

Havoc is forced VOC and a gun with alot of ammo

And magazine

Revolver is not good in havoc

[vital wren]

Auric builds can use breakpoints that fall apart in Havoc

[terse idol]

Well cause auric uses the same BP's for damnation

The requirements for havoc when the enemies get tanky over regular breakpoints is where like

It seems like things like infernus, ghost get way more use

[pseudo fiber]

Havoc 40

3 minutes in psyker DCs

https://tenor.com/view/rinda-darktide-jumpscare-warhammer-40k-gif-13771914461150275398

[manic echo]

what blessing I should get for dueling saber

or dueling sword ig

relentless strikes?

[pseudo fiber]

nonono

uncanny and precognition

or uncanny agile if you're doing high level stuff

[manic echo]

what about infantry lasgun

headhunter + deadly accurate?

[crisp oak]

Or headhunter ghost

For havok

Non pussed

[tall torrent]

Ghost + headhunter

VII has some use cases for falter + ghost

[manic echo]

[peak tree]

So more in the las side of things one way or another?

[orchid hemlock]

Which lasguns is best for Havoc?

[peak tree]

My preferred normal build is bolter and combat ax. But lots of monstrocities and ogryns and shit and bolter is suddenly thirsty.

[bitter turtle]

it doesnt

[crisp oak]

😦

Figured

But still saddened

[bitter turtle]

but i use infil

[crisp oak]

You use it for objectives and revives?

[bitter turtle]

mostly objectives and stealthing to drop 2 nades on a group of bunched up enemies

[crisp oak]

I see

Wonder how a full stealth squad could go

Full speedrunning

[ancient path]

this is just cheating, right

[crisp oak]

Pmuch

Same with the rapid trigget mod

The full auto infantry las

[ancient path]

hype.

(not really)

[peak tree]

very much so.

[loud belfry]

i wonder when fatshark will decide to go through the mods and identify them as illegal

[ancient path]

gotta tell these dumbdumbs to stop making cheat mods

i swear if weapon customization ends up getting shot lol

[peak tree]

It does make the game worse when they do that kinda stuff.

it'd be fine if they could make private servers to play in.

but as is.

[terse idol]

Huh?

[tall torrent]

Full auto is not exactly cheating but it can be a bit cheesy

[loud belfry]

i think about when fatshark (company that makes darktide) will make the decision to look at all the mods that exist (see: nexus mods) and identify (see: decide) which ones are illegal (see: not allowed in the game) @terse idol

[peak tree]

full auto with no recoil would have a definite impact on the balance of the encounter, can't imagine not calling it cheating.

[tall torrent]

Yea, but that’s more the “no recoil” part tbh

[peak tree]

The point is generally the same.

Mods which impact gameplay against what the developers intend. Not just like data mods to show end mission stats, or skins, etc.

[bitter turtle]

i aint clicking individually for laspistol

you cant make me

[crisp oak]

Is that what yall are doing?

[umbral scaffold]

Havoc matchmaking is so asss ehhhh

I just wanna get my Moebian 53rd cosmetics

[crisp oak]

No wonder I dont like the semi auto lasguns

[umbral scaffold]

I can't

I

I sent 2 requests and join one

In the hangar bay another request gets accepted and my game crashes

[terse idol]

Oh i mean

Sanctioned mods were always a thing

Fs already made a statement about how like mods that only affect yourself are a-okay

And fatshark has a history of working with modders

Vermintide 2 mod launcher

[junior haven]

Yeah they're probably not gonna do anything bout this. As stated in october on the mod server by FS LoPuS:

Kudos to you for doing the right thing here and asking the community to weigh in.

So the definitive answer is that no we won't have a strong opinion on this mod (in this case something about gas highlighting). Wether you consider it cheating or not wall hacks and other implementations are readily available outside of mods and we don't act on those either. Doing so would mean implementing anti cheat and we right now deem anti cheat implementations to be too limiting for the modding community and since darktide isnt a competitive game there are no real upsides to anti cheat.

Sure some might claim unfair advantage but really you are benefiting your whole crew so who cares really... And if you are playing Darktide for the bragging points you would still be at the mercy of the communitys opinion of the mod and not ours(Fatshark).

As for the intended behavior of this the analysis that we went back and forth on it and didn't clean up properly is probably a fair one 😉

I'll report this straight to the source of the weird behavior and try to get it sorted.

[peak tree]

I can respect that.

[pastel yew]

what mod is it people are agro about today?

somethin super cheaty or

[junior haven]

scroll up slightly.

[pastel yew]

ah those are lame

same with the objective solvers

[tall torrent]

Full auto is as far as I’m willing to go

Other stuff like recoil fix, spider sense etc are just cheesy

[pastel yew]

full auto isnt cheating imo its literally just quality of life

I literally couldnt play the game because of a joint issue without this mod at one point

this game has dogshit accessability

[tall torrent]

I think danger zone is nice

New mod

Shows u boom effects’ radius

[worldly adder]

Hey I need some help understanding Havoc, if I were to skip missions by completing another parties higher assignment, does that mean that I get that higher assignment rank next week or do i have to complete all missions in between?

[tall torrent]

Quite nice

[stuck gorge]

Spider sense is for hard of hearing people

[tall torrent]

U get a higher ranked assignment next week because it’s based off the clearance u have this week (highest ranked assignment completed)

[worldly adder]

ok thanks so it doesnt matter that i skip then

[pastel yew]

I've seen it but honestly think it looks uggly

[tall torrent]

I understand aspect, I think it’s cheesy if used by people that don’t have hearing problems

[pastel yew]

I'm generally not a fan of lots of gamey stuff on my screen

[tall torrent]

I just set everything to red besides DH

[pastel yew]

I think a lot of people use it to avoid audio bugs

[tall torrent]

If I don’t like how it looks in game I’ll set it to off anyway

[pastel yew]

honestly as someone who doesnt get audio bugs and has good ears, I see nothing that this mod provides me

the audio in the game is already so good

so I dont really consider it cheaty

[tall torrent]

Getting an indicator on a specialist spawn 40m away is turbo cheese imo

[elder fiber]

Yeah it's cheesy when people appropriate accessibility for "sometimes I get pranked by bursters"

[tall torrent]

If it was like, max 10m, sure

[paper trellis]

My own? Or enemy explosives

[pastel yew]

I guess itd depend on the specialist

but you can hear them all coming anyway

I know its a meme that the crusher has cotton shoes but

[stuck gorge]

Doesn’t it also show dh agro range

[pastel yew]

the rest of them are very audible

[tall torrent]

But you could set it to 40m and it’s literally covering full large rooms

[paper trellis]

There have been a lot lately, especially with the dogs

[tall torrent]

Yes

[pastel yew]

idk I've never really had them

I'm not sure what it is about my setup but I've maybe had audio not give positions less than 10 times total

[stuck gorge]

Dogs are just kinda completely mute for me

[pastel yew]

nah they got that pitter patter

[stuck gorge]

But also glowing bright green because of havoc

[elder fiber]

Also yeah without fullauto I couldn't use mk2b ilas or laspistol without my hand exploding

[stuck gorge]

So I still see em regardless

[ancient path]

game needs audio revised for higher difficulties

a lot of shit is just mute

[pastel yew]

literally this, full auto should just be a base game mod

[worldly plover]

what constitutes a salvo

[pastel yew]

I was lucky, my joint issues were medication related

but there are loads of people who have arthritis n shit that are unable to play the game for 0 reason without mods

[paper trellis]

I think it probably has an audio queue system and it ends up being bumped out as a dozen other play

[stuck gorge]

If you’re referring to blessings opening is the first shot, and the other one is 2-4th shot

I believe it keeps looping after the 4th shot back to 1

[elder fiber]

I'm not lucky b/c I got tendinitis and no health insurance lmao 💀

[tall torrent]

Any number of shots fired continuously before recoil/spread (whichever applicable) resets to normal position

[pastel yew]

big oof, I'm sorry to hear that

[elder fiber]

Currently waiting for right hand to become usable again so I can pound out 9 more havocs and free myself from penance mines

[pastel yew]

I'd love if I could rebind melee keys though

a hold for light swings and a dedicated heavy attack button

theres keep swinging but its a bit jank

[stuck gorge]

Honestly god send if this were to exist

My mouse could use a break anytime I equip taxe

[ancient path]

yeah i figured this may be the issue. but i also think theres just some enemies that need audio adjustments (POX BOMBERS) too

last masteries for guns. which one next, vet chat

also if i wanted better parries for devils claw, do i invest in block effifcency?

[paper trellis]

God the surprise bombers are godawful

[ancient path]

its legit my least favorite thing about this game

pox bombers 100% need their audio looked at

[paper trellis]

Laspistol, it’s a great gun.

Combat shotgun is fun, but not super practical

[pastel yew]

I actually saw another vet using the laspistol in auric earlier today

I'm glad more people are giving the weapon some love

even if its just likely because its havoc meta...

[vital wren]

I did the mastery on it recently just for completion and was pleasantly surprised.

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean its super good

very respectable damage and ammo efficiency

plus there arent many ranged weapons that give you so much move speed

[ancient path]

what build would you ran with laspistol?

weapon spec voc? xD

[tall torrent]

Laspistol fits into any build for veteran tbh

Very versatile

Works with all 3 keystones

Can be played in melee hybrid, can be played in sharpshooter

[ancient path]

interesting.

[paper trellis]

Both weapon spec and shout work great for it, even has enough base damage for exe stance

[ancient path]

which pistol do you go

[paper trellis]

But Ik you hate exe stance as much as I do

[paper trellis]

First mark, the faster one

[ancient path]

i see i see

[paper trellis]

Better dps, about as ammo efficient, still very accurate

[ancient path]

lets pull up the book

[tall torrent]

Mk2 is vastly superior in most situations

[ancient path]

bet

[sleek garden]

yes

and depending on your mark and finesse you may want to try +25 maniac if you want to guarantee a one shot on a dreg rager

otherwise flak will do well and also help with scab ragers

[pastel yew]

I like weapon spec with it a lot

the increased attack speed is fun

pew pew pew pew

mk10 I'd probably only take with exec stance

[paper trellis]

It’s nice to go full ham into melee and pull it out to kill gunners before returning to rampage

[pastel yew]

and even then I'd have to do some psyk testing to see what the breakpoints are like first

[ancient path]

desperado seems like a fun blessing

is it only crit w/ the pistol?

aka would i keep the crit chance if i dodged and swapped to sword

[paper trellis]

Good question, I’m not sure

Hard to test

[tall torrent]

+20% ranged crit chance for 6s on successful dodge

(Yes the tooltip is very wrong lol)

As it’s only ranged crit chance, it’s only going to work for the laspistol itself

[pastel yew]

incorrect tooltips... in my fatshark game?

though admittedly it seems every game that has any collection of abilities usually has a few that are wrong

[wise fossil]

Holy moly, that's impressively wrong. Even for FS

Might actually be worth on gunker

[pastel yew]

honestly desperado doesnt seem that bad with a 6s timer

I had just written it off because 2s

[tall torrent]

Refer to the blessing sections in my guide, or kuli’s blessing guides

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

The “expanded blessing & talent tooltip” mod is also not fully accurate

[wise fossil]

Damn. That's a shame. I like that mod

[tall torrent]

The bad one is concentrated fire

[slow spade]

na its actually pretty accurate by Fatshark standards as its actually working

[tall torrent]

Concentrated fire is so unapologetically ass

Reset stack to 0 on missing any ranged attack & landing any ranged non-weakspot hit

[pastel yew]

yeah thats rough

I had assumed it was only against single targets

so if you weakspot someone else it just gets gone

the total crit chance also doesnt seem that high

I assume this is another one with stacks that arent shown on gameslantern as if its 5% peak, jesus

[tall torrent]

Stacks 5 times up to 25%

However practically it’s maybe 5-10% more, occasionally

lol

[pastel yew]

someone likes crit

[hollow ibex]

I won’t out the person who posted this laspistol while path was simultaneously ranting about concentrated fire in vet chat

[pastel yew]

sorta hard not to out them when you forwarded their message lmao

probably best you just tell them how concentrated fire is garbage

[hollow ibex]

Shhh

[hollow ibex]

I passed along paths sentiments

[tall torrent]

Tbh
It could be good if you have aimbot + headlock

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[ancient path]

if only i knew how to aim

and the AI director didnt love gunners

ghost is so nice rn

[hollow ibex]

Just don’t miss bro

[ancient path]

laspistol does make me wish for just like a deagle gun

[hollow ibex]

I guess that’s technically the revolver

[ancient path]

but i do love me pistol builds

[ancient path]

ya its why i love the revolver.

just slow reload

[hollow ibex]

Though bistol might fit the aesthetic and feel better

[tall torrent]

Bolt pistol

[winter grove]

I gotta get that mod for red weapons

[placid portal]

Laspistol got some pretty insane hipfire accuracy

I sometimes wonder why I bother ADS

[ancient path]

yknow, not wrong

[terse idol]

For the drip

But the bistol is a deagle

[hollow ibex]

I love that mod

[cyan verge]

wow that is terrrrible

+crit chance on chained weak spot hit lol

[pseudo fiber]

they call me 007
0 havoc missions won
0 rewards at the end of the week
7 teammates getting one hit by crushers

[placid portal]

You mean 7 death into instant disconnects?

[pseudo fiber]

nah they stay in havoc

I'm just tired boss

[green willow]

electricute on shock maul?

[pliant prawn]

which mode-swap shovel is the vanguard attack pattern one?

cant check ingame for whatever reason

[green willow]

also, which mark is superior

[pliant prawn]

i prefer the spikier looking one

has straightforward combos

[tawny timber]

mk III

[pliant prawn]

light -> heavy = horde, reverse for single target

[green willow]

could marks differ in speed?

[tawny timber]

afaik its just the patterns

mk 3 has the better horde clear combo

horizontal swings

heavy 1 light 2

and then after heavy 1 all heavy attacks are overhead

[pliant prawn]

it also looks cooler imo

[eternal verge]

PUT YOUR KARKIN BOOT IN

[pliant prawn]

the

[green willow]

KASRKIN DOUBLE TAHP

[eternal verge]

HOLD THAT POSE HERETIC

IM FEELING ANOTHER HEADSHOT COMING UP

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

should I get rid of the Grenadier and crit boost for something else?

[pastel yew]

not who was asked but

marksman and bring it down would be good no? not sure on the breakpoints on either of those weapons as to whether superiority complex would give much

grenade tinkerer also good

[pliant prawn]

personally i really like the grenade talents

[pastel yew]

yeah though grenadier is definitely the worst of them

since you're not often gonna be at max with frags

[pliant prawn]

yea

[pastel yew]

think its good with kraks though as they're just giga boss damage and the usage of those is way more reserved

[pliant prawn]

oh i thought demo team worked for allies too

as in it could give them a grenade

[pastel yew]

unfortunately not

that'd be so killer if it did

pocket vet build

3x ogryn nukes

[pliant prawn]

def need to cut the number down

like 2.5% would be cool

maybe 3

[pastel yew]

I think the issue with it then is that a lot of people just

dont need grenades

ogryns runnin rock and zealots running knives and psykers getting their fancy infinite options

[pliant prawn]

i need a melee build

[green willow]

does block effeciency also effect shoving

[green willow]

mmm voice of command or stealth

[cyan verge]

don't think so, I think it just makes blocking better which you probably don't want to be doing TOO much anyway

[pliant prawn]

right side of the tree has a lot of melee stuff right?

[pastel yew]

honestly just go weapon specialist and pick anything you want, just be sure to grab reciprocity, desperado and trench fighter drill

outside of that its just whatever normal vet shit you like

most of the best melee stuff is right at the bottom

after stealth

so it doesnt really matter what you pick

kinda dumb but VoC is still the most point efficient because you can path through demo stockpile

please big fish

move it here and my life is yours

it makes too much sense to put the node every vet build wants, in the spot every vet build is forced to tak

[pliant prawn]

voc is boring

every vet runs it

[pastel yew]

melee is where its most fun though

for sure

[cyan verge]

YES

BECAUSE VOC IS GODLY?

it's not for 'no' reason

[pliant prawn]

still boring

[pastel yew]

and is immediately after the node every vet really should take

it's the strongest, and most point efficient

always

sometimes you dont got a choice

[cyan verge]

imo I'd like to run the movespeed shit on the right side down through the aura but I dunno

go fast with fury (for the heretics)

I dunno if that's even useful because DS IV slide stab tech exists to go fast anyway

[graceful surge]

I just take voice because i could yell someone up. Way better than trying to rez them during hordes

[cyan verge]

aha, you made a classic mistake

do not take that talent

it's bad

a total trap

[pastel yew]

tbf it can be pretty clutch

the reason it's bad though is because cooldown reduction perma gold toughness is better

[tall torrent]

I think u could get marksman + superiority complex instead of the +1 nade

I tried the +1 nade

It was just ok

But I’m ngl

Superiority complex + marksman + CQKZ is insane

[cyan verge]

one time I accidentally forgot to take 'duty and honour' and was like wait why am I not making everyone gold toughness

[tall torrent]

I run it for plasma now

[cyan verge]

then I was like wait by default it 'just' staggers and restores your toughness? that's lame

[tall torrent]

Superiority complex + marksman + CQKZ all up is like

Havoc health plays like damnation lmao

[cyan verge]

you'd think it'd be innate but I guess it costs an extra point so fair

[white minnow]

dutyless and honourless

[pliant prawn]

i disagree. run into the downed person, press F, then IMMEDIATELY start rezzing.

like look at them even before u press F

[cyan verge]

what a junk passive

[cyan verge]

yeah exactly

that's the thing like VoC puts everyone on the ground, you can rez in that time

you don't even need an augment that gives you rez on voice

just do it with your hands

the increased cooldown also takes your downtime on gold toughness from 15s to 30s

[pliant prawn]

CRITS?? hell naw

[cyan verge]

the fact it's only 20% brittleness too is like lol lmao

[pliant prawn]

i mean that's okay

if it was headshots it'd make more sense

[cyan verge]

because importantly CQK is 'close damage'? how close are we talking here, is it like dumdum where 'close' apparently means out to like 15m or something

[clever hedge]

Group finder here on disc is probably better. See alot of penace hunters there

Group finder here on disc is probably better. See alot of penace hunters there

Group finder here on disc is probably better. See alot of penace hunters there

[tall torrent]

Check guide

But basically

[cyan verge]

oh is it in there

[quiet valley]

12.5m

iirc

[tall torrent]

Close damage is full effect up to 12.5m

Drops towards 0% at 30m (or stretched to ranged weapon’s effective range)

If applicable, it also works for melee attacks

[cyan verge]

oh it's not in there?

[tall torrent]

The very first page of the guide says to “read terminology & mechanics”

[cyan verge]

oh wow it works on grenades huh

that's funny

[tall torrent]

As it turns out

It’s in the terminology & mechanics section

Because I figured having 1 dedicated section that explains everything is better than sprinkling everything everywhere

[cyan verge]

oh

interesting

[pliant prawn]

what would u guys say is the least-used vet voice

[tall torrent]

Female cutthroat

[pliant prawn]

im realizing a lot of ppl use the cadian guy (including me) so i wanna fix that

[tall torrent]

Male vet is very popular

[pliant prawn]

i dont have any women characters

[tall torrent]

Don’t see many female veterans

[pliant prawn]

i don't like playing as a woman unless i really like the character

none of the voices in this game stand out to me much, psykers have the most personality

tho i kinda hate woman seer ...

[pastel yew]

the fem vet has the best lines for sure

maybe I just like the irish

[cyan verge]

all my characters are girls

[steep grail]

besides me, i barely see female vets

one every ten games maybe

[steep grail]

fem loose cannon is the best personality in darktide

[pastel yew]

I think the reason people pick male vet in darktide is the same reason people pick human fighter in dnd

its the like

white bread option

most relatable to most people playing

simple

and most people playing games are guys

[pastel yew]

10000%

[cyan verge]

my vet is loose cannon which I thought might be like, something else but it turns out by loose cannon they mean completely fucking terrible at her job except when it comes to killing things

work-shy lazybones with a talent for murder

[atomic zephyr]

i used to use fem cutthroat but i realized it was really weird to have a veteran screaming about cadia while wearing a jacket from armageddon

[pastel yew]

the loose cannon is the irish lass

[cyan verge]

yes

[pastel yew]

bad at being a soldier

great at killing

[atomic zephyr]

so i recently switched to loose cannon

both are great honestly

[pastel yew]

I love that one of the other male vet lines slags her off

"you're a shit soldier."

always makes me laugh a little

some of the lesser used voices have so many good lines

I finally had a combo of the like.. boring law psyker, and the female beloved psyker

their interactions are amazing

[steep grail]

"PLEASE MR. COMMISAR, MAY I SHINE YOUR BOOTS WITH MY TONGUE!?" is my favorite line in darktide

and its from the fem loose cannon

[cyan verge]

lol

have not heard it

[pastel yew]

I dont think I've heard it either which is wild

[cyan verge]

I picked judge zealot then respecced to the fuckin crazy scottish one just because I heard it and was like wow that's the best

[steep grail]

its an interaction with the male professional iirc

[pastel yew]

I've only ever used this voice

some voice lines are just super rare I think

[cyan verge]

and for psyker I picked loner since I was like yeah okay that seems the least insane one

[pliant prawn]

i wish one of the vets just stuck to calling enemies by their common names

[pastel yew]

feels still semi common I hear new ones

[steep grail]

nah fuck that

[pliant prawn]

instead of traxis something something

[cyan verge]

they're all guardsmen

so it kinda makes sense

[steep grail]

professional calling them by their code names is funny

[pliant prawn]

only the most diehard of fans know what a traxis 34758 is

[steep grail]

its actually more of a problem with loose cannon

[pastel yew]

loose cannon starts half of their code name and just goes "ahh whatever, shoot the flamey one!"

[cyan verge]

or you read the guide 🥹

[steep grail]

because they dont say the full name at first

[cyan verge]

good note in here

[steep grail]

"Traxis, uhh... forget it, shoot the trapper!"

[cyan verge]

you can't even trust her to get it right

[pastel yew]

to be fair I dont think the voice lines have ever given me info I didnt already have

[steep grail]

male cutthroat and fem loose cannon also have my favorite VoC lines

[pliant prawn]

i want my fellows to know who im calling out

[cyan verge]

some of them will proc like on spawn for some specialists/elites

some of them a bit late

there are times when it's like they call and you're like what, where, and the enemy hasn't even like shown up near you yet, they just kinda know

and I think it's because the enemy literally just spawned

[pliant prawn]

it's why i like cadia guy for the most part

he usually just calls them by normal names

[steep grail]

you know male loner psyker and the bully ogryn have the same voice actor?

[cyan verge]

wow

no way

[steep grail]

genuinely polar opposite voices

[cyan verge]

bully sounds like an ork tbh

[placid portal]

Not enuff talky

[cyan verge]

like a lot of other people I picked the spacey one

[steep grail]

i love him though

[tall torrent]

It’s really rare
Female zealot & psykers are much more common

Most popular female veteran is probably loose cannon

[steep grail]

i think i see female professional the most

[cyan verge]

no one out here picking the non-loose cannon female vet

I have seen maybe 0

except bots

[pliant prawn]

i cant think of what makes them different

[cyan verge]

the only time I have seen it is bots, I am about 99% sure

[pliant prawn]

im just imagining the same character

(i dont hate women i swear)

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat still uses call-out codes a good amount

[paper trellis]

she's bullying the male professional

[cyan verge]

deserved

I see a lot of male loose cannon vets which is why

[steep grail]

male cutthroat is the most common shit in the game

I swear

80% of vet players are male cutthroats

[pliant prawn]

i dont like cuttthroat cause he does the half-assed code calls

at least professional does it right

[tall torrent]

Male cutthroat voice needs scion helmet to be truly peak

[paper trellis]

i enjoy the male professional. Instead of breaking, he goes numb and does the job

[steep grail]

no?

thats loose cannon

[paper trellis]

and he's honestly pretty friendly with the rest of the crew

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat calls out correctly

[pliant prawn]

oh whatever see they're all the same things to me

[tall torrent]

Loose cannon forgot

[pliant prawn]

i meant loose cannon

[steep grail]

cutthroat either calls it correctly or doesn't say it

[pseudo fiber]

Implying he ever knew them

[cyan verge]

wait

that's an emonji here?

[paper trellis]

most of the time. he doesn't have as many triggers for it as the pro does

[cyan verge]

this /tg/ art

based

[tall torrent]

He says enemies’ names more than code names

But he does use code names

[paper trellis]

mhm

[pliant prawn]

who

[tall torrent]

He also has different pronounciation of some codes

[paper trellis]

whereas the loose canon don't give a shit

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat

[pliant prawn]

yayaya i use him

[paper trellis]

ptsd man

[pliant prawn]

whos the guy who says "Ohhh, mauler"

Ohh scab shotgunner

[tall torrent]

I can’t imagine using cutthroat without scion helmet’s voice mod tho

[paper trellis]

several

[pliant prawn]

if i could only say THOSE lines id use that guy

no he very clearly like groans

[paper trellis]

only vets use the codenames

[pliant prawn]

bro when i say codename i mean traxis whatever

common name is mauler or shotgunner or whatever

[paper trellis]

traxis 4 is shotgun 7 is mauler

[pliant prawn]

lalalala i dont care i dont wanna memorize this

it's just gonna waste my brain space

👉 👈

[steep grail]

just play the game and be aware

[pliant prawn]

no i call normal name only

[steep grail]

you'll get it in like 20 minutes

[pliant prawn]

codenames are for lore geeks

[vital wren]

My character is fem prof vet

Seems like she might have a thing for one of the zealots

[pastel yew]

which one?

[pliant prawn]

[pastel yew]

also what makes you say that

[hearty panther]

man, suddenly the kantrael iiib and its ridiculous ammo economy makes sense

[tall torrent]

Professional has some flirty lines

[pliant prawn]

not very professional

[pastel yew]

loose cannon vet is cannonically the coolest character, therefore caring about the codenames AND getting them wrong

is the most optimal

[pliant prawn]

but the line takes so damn long

[vital wren]

She says to one of the zealots, hey zealot, one of yours keeps eyeing me. The zealot is like, idk what his problem is or something. Prof gal says "I didn't say I didn't like it"

[pastel yew]

which vet I meant

BAH

which ZEALOT

[vital wren]

not sure which one, comes out in dialogue with a different one talking about another zealot

[pliant prawn]

this just gives me "police officer who didn't pay attention in class" vibes

[tall torrent]

I think agitator? (The one that almost nobody uses lol)

[vital wren]

Most likely

[pastel yew]

that the scottish guy?

[pliant prawn]

better not be

[tall torrent]

No

[pliant prawn]

scottish guy is best zealot

[steep grail]

agitator is the youth pastor

[tall torrent]

Scottish drunk guy is fanatic

[pliant prawn]

he's not drunk

[pastel yew]

nah the fem zealot lines are also cooler again, though the scottish guy is great

[steep grail]

he is

[pliant prawn]

he's not

[steep grail]

it's heavily implied he's inebriated

[tall torrent]

Fanatic is deeply alcoholic

[pliant prawn]

[pastel yew]

as any self respecting zealot should be

[tall torrent]

(Which prob is why they sometimes confuse which god they worship)

[pastel yew]

he has some of the most wholesome lines with the protector ogryn

I love him so much

[pliant prawn]

agitator zealot is okay but i dont like some of his lines

i actually really like when the fem agitator speaks calmly but her angry lines are awful imo

[steep grail]

i think every zealot personality is very nothing

i dont care for any of them

[pastel yew]

I like the fancy one getting called out by the uhh.. bitchy female psyker

god I really should learn their names

[steep grail]

the german one?

[pastel yew]

she gets called out for faking knowing high gothic

[pastel yew]

I guess yeah

[steep grail]

that's lone

r

[pastel yew]

the male variant is german

yee

[steep grail]

seer is the dream one

[tall torrent]

Loner is the worst personality in the game

[cyan verge]

I like the scots female zealot for the same reason I like loose cannon

[pastel yew]

whaaaaaaat loners fun

[steep grail]

relax

[tall torrent]

It just is

[steep grail]

saying that when bodyguard ogryn exists

[pastel yew]

I like that they're always testy

[tall torrent]

Easily the worst personality

[tall torrent]

Bodyguard is fine

[pastel yew]

whats so wrong with em

[cyan verge]

isn't male loner the german one, I like that

[steep grail]

yeah

[tall torrent]

Loner is just horrible

[cyan verge]

for some reason male loner sounds like uh robin atkin downes

it sounds like the medic lol

[steep grail]

i mean every psyker personality crumbles in comparison to the savant

[cyan verge]

https://tenor.com/view/medic-tf2medic-practice-medicine-evil-gif-22434393

I like female loner

[tall torrent]

Seer is the best psyker voice

Savant is ok

[steep grail]

i hate the female seer

so fucking annoying

go back to vermintide

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

aint no way

bait used to be real

his accent is the most interesting for sure

but his character writing is so boring

[pliant prawn]

ID have stayed with savant if he didnt have one or two annoying lines

[steep grail]

female savant is S tier personality

[tall torrent]

Seer > savant > loner

[cyan verge]

female loner is like the romanian sounding one, I like that

[pastel yew]

if I hear one more thing about the lex atoma I'm gonna

I'd second Seer being the best for sure

[steep grail]

wait is bodyguard or brawler the rations one

[pastel yew]

the fem seer is hillarious

[tall torrent]

Savant is canonically the most skilled psyker

[pastel yew]

makes sense he's the most kept together but

[steep grail]

whichever one is rations guy is the worst personality in the game

[pseudo fiber]

Just watched a smyker smite the fire on the floor how we doing today folks

[tall torrent]

Brawler is the dumb “rashuns” guy

[steep grail]

by a long shot

[pastel yew]

eh he's boring

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s loner

Bar none

[pastel yew]

whats with the loner hate

[steep grail]

rations was funny the first month of this game being out

[tall torrent]

It’s no coincidence that they named the worst aura in the game “loner”

[pastel yew]

I like the female loner a lot

she's such a piece of shit

[steep grail]

i like female savant

i like the fact shes like actually competent

and her voice doesnt annoy me

[tall torrent]

Canonically most skilled psyker is savant

[cyan verge]

I don't like male seer

[pastel yew]

female savant might be the rarest line in the game

I never hear her

also french so

automatic worst voice

[steep grail]

absolutely not

[pastel yew]

I literally never see her

ever

[steep grail]

female cutthroat exists

[tall torrent]

Enforcer training + incredible self control + respected by cutthroat

[cyan verge]

I like brawler since his bone 'ead implant is clearly not functioning properly

[steep grail]

i hate him

so much

[pastel yew]

whyyy he's adorable

[steep grail]

"sah" and "rashuns" is just not funny

it isnt entertaining anymore

[pastel yew]

he has the best line combos with all the characters for sure

[cyan verge]

I think I might never get sick of it

yeah he has some of the best party dialogue imo

[pastel yew]

sah and rashuns arent interesting but him being soft fella and getting on with everyone is nice

[tall torrent]

He’s probably the most popular ogryn which is why u hear the most of his lines

[pastel yew]

though bully ogryn is probably my favourite

[steep grail]

bully has really good line combos

[pastel yew]

no one plays bully though

super rare

[cyan verge]

part of why I picked brawler is cuz I heard bodyguard a LOT the week I started playing

[steep grail]

bully and male loner have a really funny interaction

[cyan verge]

and bully was like no I want to be helpful :)

[pastel yew]

damn thats a combo I've probably not seen

[cyan verge]

but now it's like I could probably stand to play bully now

[pliant prawn]

i use bully ogryn

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1311940693790298172/Untitled_video.mp4?ex=675b2a3c&is=6759d8bc&hm=e5e9a78730bf908da86f5179294a96abd662ff9020905c8de2e878d0cd90295c&

[pliant prawn]

i try to pick whoever i think is least popular or if i really like a voice

bully is def least popular ogryn

he's wholesome sometimes

[pastel yew]

I've never heard this one either

[cyan verge]

I think I haven't heard it

[tall torrent]

Me neither

[pastel yew]

she's literally my most played and that's likely the vet I encounter most

[steep grail]

i think i've seen this?

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat has a conversation with female agitator zealot

[pastel yew]

it must be some real rare condition

I'm also convinced some lines just barely ever trigger even when you have the characters

[steep grail]

male professional and male loose cannon have an interaction talking about the lasgun

ive NEVER heard it ingame

only in videos

[pastel yew]

maybe they need to be using them

[cyan verge]

it might even be cut content or not implemented in-game

any game with voice acting always has that kind of thing, like they just leave it in the files

kotor 2 had like 30% more game just not implemented but still in files

just needed to be hooked up

[pastel yew]

god thats so

whyyy

I hate that

just unneccessary file space

[cyan verge]

because obsidian was extremely pressed for time, as usual lol

[pastel yew]

especially given most of a games files are gonne be audio or texture files

[tall torrent]

I’ve seen one quad veteran conversation

[pastel yew]

that's wild

as I imagine all different voices

[tall torrent]

All 3 male veteran personalities + female loose cannon

[cyan verge]

wow

[tall torrent]

Has a bonding conversation

[pliant prawn]

i love how many there are

im still hearing lines ive never heard

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean you hear new ones semi frequently

its nice

it sorta keeps me invested in what they're saying

[steep grail]

that is hilarious

ive never seen that

[pastel yew]

I know a lot of people aren't happy with these characters being more faceless but I think they're still all super cool

I didnt really like many of the vermintide characters anyway

[tall torrent]

U could use prologue mod to see some lines that only show in that level

[cyan verge]

I didn't come from VT2 I came from nothing so it has not troubled me

I'm just like yay cool game

[pastel yew]

then I'd have to play through the prologue again

vt2 is cool, I've not really gotten that deep into it though

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat: “I survived Cadia. I will survive this.”

In prologue

[pastel yew]

cadia didnt survive cadia though

rest in piss boring planet

[pliant prawn]

vermintide has good dialogue too but ive heard it all a thousand times

[pseudo fiber]

warming up!

[pliant prawn]

YA KNOW WHAT I THINK, BARDIN?

[pseudo fiber]

Going back to auric after playing havoc all day is like going to fight toddlers

[pastel yew]

think most skilled players are playing in havoc to be fair at this point

its a lot of grind to get through

not that auric was the pinacle of player skill anyway

the range is huge though usually players arent greatr

[pliant prawn]

im playing havoc til i get the full outfit

then i am FINISHED

back to quickplay spamming

[tall torrent]

I hope they keep supporting havoc

But I wish more weapon choices were good in havoc

[pastel yew]

admittedly though this is particularly bad

[tall torrent]

One problem rn is like

[pastel yew]

were these guys here from mission 1?

from

level start even

[tall torrent]

When u get to 30+ in havoc

[pastel yew]

bah

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

I am him

[tall torrent]

You’re not rly gonna be testing new weapons out anymore

Build variety is super restricted

[pastel yew]

I hope they support havoc, I just dont want it to be more than a side mode

[pseudo fiber]

They gonna add mroe maps and modifiers

so

that's good

[pastel yew]

I'd be surprised if some modifiers don't get adjusted

the one that reduces ranged weapon damage for example

[pseudo fiber]

They were nice I can't complain

[white minnow]

horde hitmass could prob be tweaked down a bit to lessen the disparity between weapons w/ cleave blessings and those that don't have any

[pastel yew]

I mean, would you rather play with 3 competent players? that sounds pretty boring to me

unless they're your mates

[pseudo fiber]

eh

we won?

and I had a good time

[pastel yew]

all ya can hope for really

[tall torrent]

Playing with 3 competent players in high havoc is like, peak Darktide (outside of duos)

[pastel yew]

I'll give my opinion when I get there, as long as you're still stressed I'll enjoy it

all my favourite darktide moments are when you're put up against some weird new combination thats hard to manage win or lose

brains wired up wrong, stress is fun

[white minnow]

it's fun to shit talk among friends, prob not as fun with strangers perhaps

[paper trellis]

okay figured out what was going on with the tact axe. different marks have different armor penetration. I was using the one that has virtually none

[tall torrent]

No?

[paper trellis]

literally just compared the 3 back to back

[tall torrent]

How

[paper trellis]

testing room, hitting a crusher, only headshots, once kill twice more to account for crits then switch tact axe and check difference in damage numbers after repeat

[tall torrent]

???

What difference in damage numbers

Dps numbers?

[paper trellis]

damage per hit

[tall torrent]

What attacks

[paper trellis]

first kill lights. second kill heavies. third kill specials

[tall torrent]

.

This is some insane way to “test” lol

[paper trellis]

uh huh, comparing data sets where the only variable being the the mark is insane way to test

[tall torrent]

Are you aware of certain light attacks doing less damage

[paper trellis]

mhm

[tall torrent]

That a yes or a no

[paper trellis]

do you not know what mhm means?

[tall torrent]

What’s the result you got

[paper trellis]

mark 4 drops damage more than is proportial to it's damage rating. It's not a huge difference, but it doesn't punch through armor as well

[tall torrent]

Mk7 L1 = Mk 7 L3 = Mk2 L1 = Mk2 L3 >
Mk7 L2 = Mk2 L2 = Mk4 all light attacks

Heavy attack damage is same across all 3 variants

[paper trellis]

i'm aware

[tall torrent]

So what’s the lower Armor penetration thing

Are u talking about mk4 light atks being the lowest base dmg by default? Or smth else

[paper trellis]

the heavy attacks are identical. The light attacks on the 4 drop more than the damage difference between mk4 and the other 2

[tall torrent]

That’s because mk4 light atks use the sweeping light damage profile (better base cleave, lower base damage) which is also used for L2 on mk2 and mk7

[paper trellis]

mhm. leading to less armor penetration on the lights.

[tall torrent]

It’s the same armor penetration on L2 for mk2 and mk7

[winter grove]

Mk2 mk7

What weapon?

[tall torrent]

Tac axe

[winter grove]

Ah

Just use mk4 5head

[paper trellis]

the l2 isn't the only light attack.

unless you want me to magically only use the l2 on the mk2 and 7 so they do the same damage as the mk4 to the crusher overall

[tall torrent]

If you’re talking armor penetration
I assume you’re talking about ADMs
That specific lower damage light atk has around 0.485 vs carapace which is nearly identical to the higher damage light atks (0.491 vs carapace)

So I don’t get the “lower armor penetration” part

If u were talking about flak armor it’d make more sense

[paper trellis]

using a partially leveled tact axe. mk4 hits for 101, mk7 hits for 118 on the same axe swapped to a different mark

[tall torrent]

Again, that’s the base damage being lower, not the “armor damage modifier” being significantly lower

You’re arguing semantics here

[paper trellis]

i'm arguing it takes longer to kill the crusher because of the sweep multiplier and lower damage combined

never said anything about an armor multiplier, only that it doesn't penetrate through the armor as well. Namely because of the sweep attacks

and because it's a relatively low damage weapon that hits quickly, the differences between hits add up

i'll give you my usage of "virtually none" was a bit of an exaggeration

[ember folio]

any meta builds with a good gun for a one shot one kill type of fellow that yall can give me?

[tall torrent]

Which gun do u like

[ember folio]

revolvers are great except i hate managing my mag that much

also I'm looking to do the best teamplay i can, i run with a group of three other friends

[hearty panther]

idk ilas or helbores i guess

[pastel yew]

bolt pistol

objectively the coolest one shot weapon

though yeah helbores are fine too, less cool

[ember folio]

im down for bolt pistol
still looking for a build though lol, having a marksman gun was just one of my preferences to guide it

[pastel yew]

for bolt pistol surgical+deadly accurate then take +stamina curio and deadshot, preferably with some % stam regen like from focus target

then its just the usual vet shit

grenade regen, left and middle trees

kraks if you have a horde clear melee weapon, frags if you dont

[tawny timber]

how do i stop feeling like im shit at darktide

[pastel yew]

practice

darktide isnt a skill based game

its an experience based game

focus less on winning and focus more on splitting the problem into smaller parts you can feel rewarded for

[tawny timber]

im almost 500 hours in and get ass handed on damnation regularly

[pastel yew]

some people are just gonna be better at this kinda game naturally but

what are the main mistakes you miss

make

even

[tawny timber]

[pastel yew]

I mean it's either gonna be

your builds shit

[bitter turtle]

i have a build but its only for auric

does not work on havoc

[pastel yew]

you're over/under aggressive

[bitter turtle]

do you want it

[pastel yew]

or you arent very perceptive

I'd put money on it being one of those three as a key issue

[bitter turtle]

the playstyle is constant rapid swapping between your melee and bistol so you never need to reload or run out of stamina

[pastel yew]

but I dont think anyone in here can tell you how to be good when its a complex context based issue

[ember folio]

sounds great altho itd be nice to have a havok alternative since we're doin that rn

[bitter turtle]

yea i dont think this will ever work on havoc

it's a dive-the-ejnemy type setup

and thats just suicidal in havoc 40

[pastel yew]

most people aint gonna be playing at hav 40 to be fair

[ember folio]

yeah im certainly not there yet

[pastel yew]

I've tried up to havoc 19 so far and honestly it feels like you can just use whatever

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/0357e863bf758d0f24dbe10458e4f4ba.png

here

its knife + boltpistol

[ember folio]

havent gotten far in havoc at all and after playing maelstroms all the time it just feels braindead

[bitter turtle]

but other melee should work as well

[pastel yew]

also

[ember folio]

ooooo

[pastel yew]

wtf is this menu

my assignment rank is back?

what

[bitter turtle]

boltpistol should have run n gun + lethal explosion/puncture/deadly accurate

you can drop skirmisher on the tree if you run puncture

[pastel yew]

I was 16 last week, got booted down to 3, then climbed back to 8... dropped it and played to 18 with friends and then suddenly my ranks back to 16

wtf

boltpistol run n gun?

wild take

[bitter turtle]

not that wild

[pastel yew]

considering surgical+deadly accurate makes all your breakpoints 1 hit kills

[bitter turtle]

it tightens the spread so it becomes hipfire pinpoint

surgical + DA is just playing bad revolver

leveraging the bistol for its strengths is better

[pastel yew]

they're not the same weapon

[bitter turtle]

yes but you are playing them in the same way if you do surg DA

[pastel yew]

bolt pistol is way more similar to laspistol than the revolver

[bitter turtle]

uh

no its not

[pastel yew]

they literally fill the same role?

they're ammo efficient elite clear

the zarona is worse at that than the bp but it has other benefits which the bp doesnt

[bitter turtle]

you arent tanking gunner shots with bolt pistol

and the dmg profile and ammo count is way closer to revo than laspis

[pastel yew]

just mechanically they fill the same role, the bp is never gonna run out of ammo and has more shots before needing to reload

its not WS dependant

it's better at killing gunners than the zarona if you're hitting headshots

because the benefits the zarona brings are body shot break points, actually good armor damage, and boss damage depending

bolt pistol is just a marksman weapon, similar to others of its class

the revolver is kind of its own beast

[bitter turtle]

let me rephrase it

you are playing boltpistol in a melee heavy build where you only shoot to pick off elites and specials

[ember folio]

welp, so much for teamplay. offense-is-the-best-defense time

[bitter turtle]

this is not the same playstyle as laspistol

at all

[pastel yew]

stealth is teamplay

[wicked epoch]

is there any build to make only in death does duty end useful

[pastel yew]

I mean ghost isnt a playstyle?

[bitter turtle]

l aspistol is a spam weapon

[pastel yew]

you're killing the same enemies with each gun

[bitter turtle]

you dont spam bistol shots

[pastel yew]

surgical/DA is just the best way to make up your breakpoints

it doesnt rely on dots or condition

it means you can actually use the weapon with some speed

[bitter turtle]

you dont need DA or the followup crit for most bp

[pastel yew]

I'm not sure what you mean by that

[bitter turtle]

so

dreg gunner is 1tap with no crit if you have puncture, run n gun, or skirmisher up

[ember folio]

so what knife blessings are the good stuff
im looking at the hammer of the emperor but it has too many options fo rme

[pastel yew]

again

[bitter turtle]

dreg ragers are 1tap with crit

[pastel yew]

puncture

dot

run and gun

weird condition

SKIRMISHER BREAKPOINT

aint no way

[bitter turtle]

ye

thats why i take it

lel

[pastel yew]

I'm being trolled

[bitter turtle]

no

i unironically ran this in auric

[pastel yew]

I could see skirmisher maybe on the knife

[bitter turtle]

yes

[pastel yew]

but on bp that seems so int

[bitter turtle]

im using knife/bistol lol

its not

[pastel yew]

why rely on all this weird condition based garbage when you can just

[bitter turtle]

cus it only needs

[pastel yew]

right click

left click

[bitter turtle]

one of those 3

because

[pastel yew]

or rather the inverse

[bitter turtle]

holding aim for surgical is cringe

when i can just sprint hipfire 1tap everything?

[ember folio]

guys ever hit shift+enter before?

[pastel yew]

you dont have to hold aim with surgical if you have deadshot