veteran-class

[winter grove]

like me rn

[regal belfry]

cataclysm is difficulty 5-8

[steep grail]

i can't wait for when they make chaos wastes for darktide

[round jetty]

can fatshart actually make havoc a challenge

not just make gunners do half your hp per bullet

[frank ledge]

It's a challenge

Like what else do you want?

[regal belfry]

mission with constant poxgas and troops of trapper mixed with crushers

[analog mural]

"can FS make havoc an actual challenge">"wah wah gunners down me"

Lol,lmao even

[round jetty]

not really

the modifiers are fine

the 21st is a cool edition

just slightly more armored bruisers

cool fine got more hp too

pox gas, fading light n allat

having a captain and monstrosity come out is cool too, adds a little event to the game

but spamming the same common enemy then upping the damage to a near instant kill is

sum else

[past tinsel]

I am level 399 get on my level peasents

[round jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-dance-jiggle-cat-jiggle-car-gif-16775453227003313444

[frank ledge]

Idk what u want then

lmao

[round jetty]

uhuh

[steep grail]

id rather gunners that 2 tap you over gunners that have 10,000 hp

[round jetty]

10k would be bonkers but id be fine with more buffed gunners

they are easy to stun, its just annoying to get tapped in the back by a gunner that was lurking behind a wall

[steep grail]

i dont even really disagree with you because i get what u mean

[round jetty]

down goes the last psyker

[steep grail]

i dont think it feels rewarding to outplay gunners that kill you in two shots constantly

compared to more creative ways of the game becoming difficult

like yeah its way harder but i think its a really unfun way to make the game harder

[round jetty]

preach

[hexed imp]

infernus and sustained fire is good for recon lasgun, yes yes?

[round jetty]

i like the captain monstrosity combo though, thats cool now that i dont have to go to the same specific mission to fight a captain

[round jetty]

what the fuck

[fair river]

Love this image sm

[grand perch]

brillant

[pseudo fiber]

Infernus is alright butngo for dumdum

[eternal verge]

WHO KEEPS TAKIN ALL THE KARKIN AMMO

[grand perch]

YOU'LL NEVER CATCH ME

[teal canyon]

Found the 🐀! Shoot it! Shoot it!

[bitter turtle]

it was kinda necessary to make it a challenge

gunners were a joke and slide movement is too strong

if you just make them do "ok" dmg, it still doesnt threaten anyone cause you just slide up and smack them around anyway

would need to nerf movement first

the actual modifiers i dont like are blight (boring, its just a binary do you have a zealot y/n) and pus hardened affecting a lot of weapons disproportionately

[teal canyon]

At least its not invisible oneshot archers

[red laurel]

@tall torrent could you explain the differences between the Rashad and Achlys caxes? Why does the Rashad have better horde clear than the Antax?

[edgy sluice]

yes lad concept is boring itself

[red laurel]

How can a concept bore itself?

[edgy sluice]

+amount, +hp, +dmg and some new simple modifiers which determine what trait of weapon is working now

[bitter turtle]

Rashad has finesse

Achlys has cleave targets

Cleave targets is a useless stat because of how bromentum works

Finesse helps reach oneshot thresholds for trash mobs which is needed to bromentum

Oh wait I'm thinking of antax

What i just said applies to antax

[red laurel]

Took you a moment

[bitter turtle]

For achlys it's ok

But it's sweeping move is just the heavy

So like

You kill 4 at a time with charged heavy

Vs

You kill 4 at a time with light spam (rashad)

[edgy sluice]

sorry dude im not literate on English

[bitter turtle]

Obv the latter is better

It's better than antax in the sense it has a niche at least since antax is just bad rashad

[red laurel]

Random question. Can you punch a Poxburster and live to tell the tale?

[bitter turtle]

Yea

Just use the knife punch special move

Does no damage

[red laurel]

That's even funnier than stabbing the Burster with the DS special while French laughing

[cyan verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/417925848113610771/1312795486226481222/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2024-12-02_01-59-05.mp4?ex=675a51d2&is=67590052&hm=e0c41d9d84cd82ff34ec3aeda78386a1fb19ad3818889e34730fbe71ce327a56&

[vernal sundial]

this is just insulting

[grand perch]

true you need to punch them like this

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1dh52qp/datamined_power_fist_demonstration/

[cyan verge]

he deserved it

[regal belfry]

what do you think about the 3-shot burst rifle

[cyan verge]

... like the vigilant autogun

and who, me?

or just in general

it's probably okay in most difficulties if you like it, really

it's just, the obvious caveats with burst fire weapons in any of these games is, you spend 3 bullets every time you fire, so you're automatically more wasteful than other guns, ammo conservation is not always important but you'll feel the squeeze if everyone is stealing all the ammo, so. eh

[grand perch]

good crit strings, but nothing to write home about overall

[cyan verge]

the vigilant autoguns are honestly very forgotten weapons

no one really uses them or talks about them

[grand perch]

i do

[cyan verge]

well except you then

not that they're bad of course but uh yeah

[grand perch]

hundreds of hours on the single shot one. scratches the same itch as ilas

[cyan verge]

nice

what breakpoints does it hit though

[grand perch]

but yeah, they could be better

[regal belfry]

i like the semi auto one

[cyan verge]

I assume that's the single-shot one

there's also a two-round burst one I think too but uh yeah

in my experience it's pretty inaccurate

[grand perch]

i just like doing this with them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34BeZMDeCy8

[balmy flume]

Well on a roll lol.
Just managed to PUG into a good Havoc lvl 40 team.
Gloriana

(We did have to try twice though)

[regal smelt]

gloriana sucks ass, even if you know not to get skillchecked by the ledge

and it's only captains and nurgles on that ledge, never got to chorus a pogryn or spawn off

[balmy flume]

Funny how my Havoc Journey is pretty much getting skillchecked by Gloriana twice

Once on somebody else’s 35, and once on 40

Even though the drip is earned lower level I can actually wear the all black outfit with some pride now XD

[teal canyon]

Better lasguns

Still bad

[green willow]

how unfortunate

[sleek garden]

popopop

if you swing it while you shoot you can pop 3 headshots on 3 shooters

I think it's good with headhunter or opening salvo

and you need to crouch while you shoot it

[green willow]

my beloved

[eternal verge]

I wish like 90% of the guns

it had better sights

[green willow]

you get access to that juicy blessing that gives fat damage if you hit a crit headshot and is decent in close range hipfiring that could be useful in a pinch

[regal belfry]

give us modular sights

[green willow]

fax

the rear sight notch is too huge

[green willow]

get the customisation mod

although i dont think mods work in this patch

[eternal verge]

customisation should be a thing they should expand on

like gun sights n stuff

[regal belfry]

or equip bayonets on all guns or lights

[eternal verge]

real

[green willow]

so true

[eternal verge]

bayonet on revolver would be nice to make the attack chain it has with melee actually useful

[regal belfry]

or swapping out thr ammo type of shotguns

[green willow]

bash is so useless

[regal belfry]

loads shotgun full of slugs

[green willow]

techincally you could, but only loads once lmao

im just praying and waiting for underbarrel combination guns

[regal belfry]

some run full firebreath

[green willow]

john wick mode

[eternal verge]

bolter with unbarrel bolter

[eternal verge]

exactly this

[green willow]

take notes fatshark

[regal belfry]

pumping gonna hurt

[eternal verge]

stick this in the under barrel

[green willow]

you have to be a gene stealer cultist to use it

underbarrel flamer?

[regal belfry]

i mean underbarrel setup make more sense by ars or other rifles cause you don't need to pump

[sleek garden]

You can do this in the new mw3

[green willow]

since black ops 1 there was

[sleek garden]

I don't remember that in bo1

I knew there are underbarrel shotguns but not on the autoshotguns

[paper trellis]

But why

[eternal verge]

this is how Focus Target makes me feel

kill
kill this man

[tiny summit]

Fatshark shouldve let 4 Vets go "exterminatus this guy" with 32 stacks on a guy

[eternal verge]

HOLD THAT POSE HERETIC

[heavy rover]

PUT THE KARKIN' BOOT IN TO THAT GUY IN PARTICULAR

[eternal verge]

“sever the head, the body dies.”
my boy you didn’t server the head you severed their ties from reality

[tiny summit]

Actually mad I can't play Darktide optimally atm. Uninstalled, reinstalled. Reinstalled drivers. Lowest settings. OC on GPU and CPU on and off. All mods off. Game been running like dogshit for several months

[eternal verge]

rip

veteran got the best voicelines

[sleek garden]

To annoy people because you shot them with an underbarrel shotgun on your semi auto shotgun

[sleek garden]

What cpu

[tiny summit]

5950x

[eternal verge]

anyway is the shovel actually usable or just meme tier

[paper trellis]

Makes me think of this

https://youtu.be/lpETZt4teBY?si=R-48SMwWvWEj9gvb

[tiny summit]

Treyarch lost their way when they didnt return underbarrel shotgun and flamethrower attachments

[paper trellis]

As long as it’s a folding shovel, it’s actually good

[tiny summit]

Shovels good

[paper trellis]

Like really good

[tiny summit]

Standard shovel is still good

[sleek garden]

Don't slander the normal shovel like this

The flip shovels have those weak ass slap attacks

[tiny summit]

Good get off me stick, uncanny and push attack is goated

[paper trellis]

The normal shovel is good, but spiking a mofo feels so good

[sleek garden]

True

But the pattern for typical melee feels off

Idk

Maybe I need to use it again

[eternal verge]

shovel time

what’s the best hellbore mk

[sleek garden]

I honestly haven't touched the flip shovels since they came out

[paper trellis]

I forget which one it is, but the one with the horizontal sweeps for lights absolutely mulches on headshots

[tiny summit]

2 have a bayonet stab thats good. 1 has a shitty slash. As far as shooting. Personally preference on your flavor of dmg to speed

[sleek garden]

It's your discretion between heaviest laser less ammo and lightest laser most ammo as usual

[novel stone]

What's the best way to use the Rashad, honestly I'm not seeing the appeal

[paper trellis]

Something to note is that your entire moveset changes when the spike is primed, the light and heavy spikes hit really hard, but the spike shove is more for taking down injured enemies

[tiny summit]

Its funny having the impact blessing on it. Slaps the horde around

[paper trellis]

Strong cc too

Also bonk

[sleek garden]

The super meta way to use it is making sure you have max finesse points and brutal momentum and spam lights

Because this allows it to headshot kill a lot of enemies at once

[paper trellis]

Rashad is completely different once you get brutal momentum

[sleek garden]

I think it's meant to just be a single target duellist weapon

[tiny summit]

Melee vet with BM and all the dmg maxed. Its niche is being like the cleanest headtaker of mixed horde of walkers and bruisers

[eternal verge]

all in all damage

hellbore definitely one of my favourite guns visually

[sleek garden]

Then take the chunky brown helbore

That one does huge damage per shot

The bayonet is a downward chop not nearly as fast as the other two but perhaps a bit more damage

[eternal verge]

im only mastery 2 with hellbore, i used to use it a lot on pc a year ago though so I can’t get it yet lol

[sleek garden]

I think it's also limited armor piercing but I'd have to try

[novel stone]

Maybe just not my thing then, cause I'm running that

[paper trellis]

Takes way longer tho, ttk with the chop is terrible

[tiny summit]

But the chop sucks at hitting the heads of enemies, so its actually kinda shit at the dmg vs the stab

[sleek garden]

it's a downward chop

How are you missing

[paper trellis]

The combat axes definitely feel weird. They are objectively strong picks but I don’t use them either

[tiny summit]

Its an angled downward chop. Find the stab easier and quicker

[sleek garden]

My personal favorite is the antaxe combat axe because it does solid damage against elites of all kinds and a safety interrupt, and okay crowd control with the push attack

[paper trellis]

Stabs are pretty easy to headshot with

[paper trellis]

If only the tactical axe had penetration, love that weapon

But its damage on armor is so shit

[sleek garden]

huh? wat

the tac axes are crazy on armor?

Spam lights

you're using them wrong

[paper trellis]

Seems so

[sleek garden]

Heavies interrupt ragers

[novel stone]

Yeah it's fun when you have a hoard of pox walkers or are fighting a crusher but otherwise it feels too clunky

[paper trellis]

I tend to combo heavies and specials on special targets. But the lights work on armor?

[novel stone]

That's where I have the most trouble actually, more than one rager shows up I gotta use my ranged

[novel stone]

Great against armor if you aim for head

[sleek garden]

It's like that for basically every weapon except the devils claw or power mauls

[novel stone]

Like I know where it's good but it just feels way too clunky for me

[sleek garden]

The tacs?

[paper trellis]

I’ll give it another go when I’m home

[sleek garden]

there's one mark that has two side to side heavies that make dealing with hordes a bit easier

[novel stone]

I'm talking of the Rashad combat

[sleek garden]

Oh

[paper trellis]

Might be the mark I’m running, because I tend to use the one with chop then uppercut heavies

[novel stone]

I got it fully leveled and tried to give it a big shot but I never really felt it

[sleek garden]

Yeah just spam lights and push attacks for hordes when you build it right

[novel stone]

Specifically the Rashad is the combat axe you want

[sleek garden]

Normally it's more focused on single target than the antaxe combat axe because the Rashad has a finesse modifier rather than a defense modifier

[eternal verge]

is it just me

[novel stone]

I think if I used it with an auto gun or recon I'd like it more

[eternal verge]

or is MKV hellbore

innaccurate as all fuck

[sleek garden]

Sorry not defense

Cleave targets

[eternal verge]

and has the worst sights ever

because I can’t see what im shooting at

[sleek garden]

Everyone thinks that

I try to use it like a sniper because of the zoom

[novel stone]

I honestly have way more fun with the chainsword then the rashad

[sleek garden]

And then hipfire anything close to midrange

[sleek garden]

I've been trying out the chainsword and I like the damage boost over the devils claw but

idk

[novel stone]

Oh I see my problem with it I think, I have carapace and not flak

[sleek garden]

I feel less safe

I take more hits

have less stamina

[novel stone]

I love it

[eternal verge]

I use combat knife with vet

[novel stone]

Light spam and one shots like any elite with the charge

[eternal verge]

it’s thematic and one of my favourite weapons

[novel stone]

Which mark did you use

[sleek garden]

Light spam sucks for crowds

Idk why you would do that

[novel stone]

Combat knife is fun but never stuck with kt

[sleek garden]

I use the green one

[novel stone]

Works fine for me

[eternal verge]

VI

[sleek garden]

The heaviest with wrath are good for hordes

[eternal verge]

I like the wide slashes

for poxs

[novel stone]

Blue is better for light spam

[tiny summit]

This about your Rashad?

[sleek garden]

But I don't like using the lights on more than 1-2 guys

[novel stone]

I love it with hoards

[novel stone]

Mhm

[eternal verge]

and you can use the punch into down stab for big guys

[sleek garden]

Green also has a push stab

[novel stone]

Probably like me and the Rashad then, doesn't stick with you

[tiny summit]

Yup there you go. Unarmored/Flak on Rashad with BM becomes light spam king against the horde

[novel stone]

Guess I'll try again

[sleek garden]

The push stab is however weaker than a heavy I think

[novel stone]

Was feeling really crappy and cleave-less

[crisp oak]

Good to know

[sleek garden]

I hope they kinda tweak the Rashad so it isn't that

[crisp oak]

Will swap that 10 levels left on it

[sleek garden]

It's too good at everything that way

[tiny summit]

Its all about getting that weakspot kill to keep BM up and therefore keeping the heads rolling

[novel stone]

Truth

Bm and headtaker right

[crisp oak]

Really fun using the shredder autopistol as a rager/mauler taser

[sleek garden]

That kinda reminds me when I watch videos of other people playing I notice that they never aim for the head except on like crushers

What's up with that

[crisp oak]

Not sure if there is a way to actually make it effective

[novel stone]

Yk I don't think I've ever used it passed starting with the psyker

[crisp oak]

Was playing with some people in the discord, and asked which weapon to mastery next

[novel stone]

That's like it's best quality lol

[crisp oak]

And I gotta stick with it now

[sleek garden]

Shedder auto's single saving grace is it's huge maniac damage

And maybe suppression

[novel stone]

Try the blue cs in like a normal lvl 5 and see how you feel against hoards, it's my go too for like base-difficulty missions

[crisp oak]

They nerfed the maniac damage I thought

[novel stone]

I also have a cool skin for it so I'm a bit biased

[pseudo fiber]

Psyker starts with a laspistol fake fan get them! Get them!

Zealot starts with shredder

[novel stone]

Mike started with the shredder

[sleek garden]

general not with just rashad

[crisp oak]

Anyway, its still funny to spray a mauler for 50 bullets in a malice

[novel stone]

Also not a fan psyker is my least played lol

[crisp oak]

(Have to play more like a normal human in heresy)

[pseudo fiber]

Nah it's fine I'm just piss taking

[novel stone]

True

[sleek garden]

to be fair if you're the right level for malice maulers are basically mini bosses

[crisp oak]

Im not.....

[tiny summit]

For a "shredder" pistol. Why cant it have some brittleness or rending to "shred" armor?

[sleek garden]

I think it needs more cleave

so you can spray at a horde

It doesn't even have run and gun

[pseudo fiber]

Why can't it have anything

It has nothing

[crisp oak]

Tbh its fine with hordes

[novel stone]

Most things are fine with hoards

[sleek garden]

Yeah it's literally mobility and some suppression value

[novel stone]

Hordes

[sleek garden]

It's terrible as a weapon

[crisp oak]

Use it to supress gunners like a bauto

[tiny summit]

You like taking up the ammo from the team

[sleek garden]

I say this as someone who used it on zealot for a long time

[novel stone]

Then you can just use a braced lmao

[tiny summit]

But then I could just have a better gun like the brauto

[crisp oak]

Just finished mastery for it

Didnt like it

[novel stone]

Not much my thing either

[tiny summit]

Agri brauto my beloved

[novel stone]

I like the clunky weapons like revolver boltgun or bolt postol

Also a huge recon enjoyer

[crisp oak]

Have never used the revolver

[novel stone]

Gotta try it , NOT AGRI

[crisp oak]

Mainle cuz hadron never gave me hamdcannon

[novel stone]

It's fun

Id never use it personally in a high havoc or auric mael but it's still really good

I love it on zealot

[crisp oak]

Issue with both is snipers

[paper trellis]

Could run Vraks auto instead

[novel stone]

It's amazing for snipers

[paper trellis]

Or a faster brauto

[novel stone]

That was my favorite part about using it

[crisp oak]

Talking about shredder and bauto

[novel stone]

Oh yup lol

[paper trellis]

How is revolver clunky?

The headshot priority is massive and it’s smooth af

[novel stone]

Clunky is the wrong word but I just mean like one shot and slow reload

[crisp oak]

Reload this is why you use weapon specialist to never reload

[paper trellis]

Ahh

[novel stone]

Plasma gun and such

[crisp oak]

I still have no mastery on my plasma gun

[novel stone]

That was the first one I got

[crisp oak]

Helbore was my first

[paper trellis]

Tbf that’s my stance for all the heavy hitters with long reloads

[novel stone]

Plasma then PS

[crisp oak]

Because I started out at high mastery for it

[novel stone]

Same

[crisp oak]

110k plasteel to hadron, never got wof4

[pastel yew]

jesus christ

were you only upgrading to blue or something

[novel stone]

That's how I got PC4

[sleek garden]

What is wof

[crisp oak]

Nope

[tiny summit]

The charge speed blessing

[crisp oak]

I had every other blessing 100 times over

[tiny summit]

I forget what it was named before

[sleek garden]

Stripped down on zealot braced auto on high difficulties was game changing kinda

[paper trellis]

God that reminds me, opened the store last night and saw a perfect roll bolt pistol only for the shop to turn over right as I saw the stats

[crisp oak]

Evern more on vet with the infinite stamina tech

[sleek garden]

on zealot the goal is to get close so I run at them then I can shoot or whip out the sword

[paper trellis]

Didn’t help that my WiFi shit itself last night so couldn’t play without a massive number of phantom hits and rubberbanding

[crisp oak]

Dodge ranged with slides, get 30% stamina

Always be sprinting and sliding never get hit by ranged

[sleek garden]

Have you guys ever hit the prestigious fury of the faithful devils claw parry 1 shot on a crusher

[crisp oak]

Nope

[sleek garden]

I did yesterday in havoc

[paper trellis]

Devil claw counters hit crazy hard

[sleek garden]

Felt like a god

[crisp oak]

Yeah

[paper trellis]

Idk why ppl shit on it

[crisp oak]

I need to use it, but its a carpal tunnel weapon

[paper trellis]

“Can’t kill armor” my ass

[sleek garden]

The damage is comparatively weak

but I keep coming back to it

[crisp oak]

Oneshots ragers donit

[pastel yew]

you might be the most unlucky person I know

[sleek garden]

it hits so many people at once

[crisp oak]

[sleek garden]

it attacks fast

[pastel yew]

I think 50k? might be my absolute worst

to get power cycler 4

[sleek garden]

It is great defensively

[pastel yew]

a little less to get surge 4

[sleek garden]

I got power cycler 4 from melk way back when

[paper trellis]

Only if you refuse to use the counters, which is the whole point of the weapon

[pastel yew]

bro I checked melk weekly for months he did not wanna give it up ;-;

[paper trellis]

It’s like refusing to parry in space marine 2

[tiny summit]

First power sword I upgraded to orange had PC4 and Sunder.

[eternal verge]

man I used to like the train mission a lot but it feels so impossible with randoms

[pastel yew]

it's weak into armor

[sleek garden]

no I've seen a guy say you're using it wrong you don't need to do anything but parry

Then he ran into a horde stood there to just spam parry and died

[pastel yew]

the only way to deal with carapace is parry weakspot

which isn't reliable, proactive, or fast

[eternal verge]

I haven’t beaten it in ages

[pastel yew]

it's a good weapon but, it's got flaws where other S tiers just tend to be good at killing everything or have a slight weakness to horde

[crisp oak]

Hows the movement on the devils claw?

[pastel yew]

p good

not combat blade good

[eternal verge]

I don’t like devils claw because it’s weird for this military guy to just have a straight up combat sword

[crisp oak]

Better than axe?

[pastel yew]

its basically a chainsword with slightly better elite ttk

[paper trellis]

Not saying it’s the best, but I’m just discounting ppl saying it’s terrible

[eternal verge]

if it looked more like a machete I’d like it

[pastel yew]

yeah its not terrible for sure

[paper trellis]

Because it’s objectively not a bad weapon

[pastel yew]

there are very few genuinely terrible weapons in the game

[sleek garden]

it honestly seems like the most veteran looking weapon in the kit other than the shovel

[pastel yew]

people just get real stinky about weapons that can't do literally everything

[eternal verge]

how

knife is the most veteran looking weapon imo

[sleek garden]

it's a big chunky sword with no frills

You're one of billions

[paper trellis]

Idk combat knife or taxe seems more fitting

[pastel yew]

I'd say the 1h chainswords probably the most vet looking weapon.. idk it fits

[red laurel]

What should I build with Plasma Gun? Other than the above I also have Bring it Down! and Redirect Fire!

[sleek garden]

if you're a commissar maybe

[crisp oak]

Shovel

Every soldier has an entrenching tool

[paper trellis]

Idk I prefer weapon specialist with plasma

[pastel yew]

yeah but when I think about the guard stabbing people

outside of krieg

I'm not really picturing them using a shovel

[stoic thorn]

Guardsmen uses knives

[crisp oak]

Most soldiers tend to use a gun

[sleek garden]

when I think of WW1 trench fighting I think of guys killing each other with knives and shovels

[stoic thorn]

Chainswords are normally reserved for Sergeants and up

[crisp oak]

Makes me feel like the blackhawk down dude

Who killed 5 people with shovel

[paper trellis]

While that might be true, shovels actually have been a weapon for most of modern warfare. It’s kinda surprising how useful they are

[red laurel]

Not enough points to get Weapon Specialist

[sleek garden]

I think it was really funny using the devils claw in this game then playing space marine 2

It goes from this big sword to little knife

[pastel yew]

they got a stabby bit, they got a blunt bit, they got some range, they got some utility

they're pretty ideal

jack of all trades

[crisp oak]

Pmuch

And you have one for utility anyways

[tiny summit]

Remember germans said the americans were too op using their trenchguns.

[crisp oak]

I would love a spear though for the penal legion feel

[stoic thorn]

Guardsmen use the combat knives, shovels and if they hail from a rich world, a sword or two

[tiny summit]

We have a spear. Equip helbore

[pastel yew]

a spear weapon would go so fucking hard

a genuine spear

[paper trellis]

You think Vets ever treat ogryns like marines?
“Hey big man? See that guy over there? He told me he ate your rations”

[crisp oak]

Tbh I would love a melee with ranged

[stoic thorn]

Power swords, chainswords and the bigger swords are reserved for Sergeants

[paper trellis]

I mean, that’s what a bayonet is

[crisp oak]

Instead of the other way around

[paper trellis]

It’s using a gun as a spear

[crisp oak]

Ie special is shoot

[pastel yew]

in a real sense yes but the helbore bayonet doesnt have a moveset like other in game melee weapons

[stoic thorn]

Attilan Rough Rider spear 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

[pastel yew]

its just poke

poke spam

[paper trellis]

True

[stoic thorn]

I'm pretty sur

[pastel yew]

no heavies, no special

[crisp oak]

Can bash

[stoic thorn]

That's what you do with a bayonet

You just poke someone

Slash if you're feeling fancy

[pastel yew]

yeah but I mean I want a spear weapon as the in game mechanics of it would be more interesting to use

[crisp oak]

Well you can be an nco

In darktide

My vet was

Before jail

[paper trellis]

But not much room to use a spear as a quarterstaff in most fights. In war spears end up being I poke you before you poke me

[crisp oak]

I mean yeah

[pastel yew]

I just want some more reach weapons

[stoic thorn]

But in the Inquisition, rank doesn't really matter on what weapons you get, it's just what you can afford

[pastel yew]

no polearms at all kinda sad

[crisp oak]

2 handed shovel obese fish

[paper trellis]

A poleaxe would be nice

[crisp oak]

Do it

[stoic thorn]

Polearms aren't used too much in warhammer 40k tbf

[paper trellis]

Crusher is technically a greathammer

[pastel yew]

we got feudal worlds

[eternal verge]

I wanna try using other guns with veteran but whenever I do it’s just
“man I wish I was using my revolver rn”

[sleek garden]

If only the shotguns in this game were too op

[stoic thorn]

The mounted guardsmen do have Melta/Frag tipped spears

[sleek garden]

I love the zarona shotgun

[paper trellis]

Same with thammer

[pastel yew]

the crusher doesnt really give that great hammer feel but yeah

[crisp oak]

Try boltpistol, when built its revolver with 💥

And a faster reloaf

[sleek garden]

Idk I like thunder hammer

[paper trellis]

Slam fire when

[sleek garden]

I like the lights

[pastel yew]

seconding the bolt pistol

[sleek garden]

Bonk bonk bonk

[pastel yew]

that weapon fucks

super good

probably top 3 ranged weapons in terms of fun for me

[crisp oak]

Infantry is pretty good too

[sleek garden]

And since they fairly recently buffed the hammers they're solid against everything

[crisp oak]

Bolter is nice as a "I dont want to see that anymore"

[sleek garden]

I'm an infantry gun believer

[paper trellis]

It does require a little more skill than revolver tho. Headshot priority isn’t nearly as high, and swap speed and recoil is higher

[crisp oak]

Do the heavies still bounce off of carapace

[pastel yew]

the thunder hammer is super fun, it's just frustrating to use it and watch the dueling sword just do your job better

the only thing the thunderhammer shines at is still boss damage

[sleek garden]

Columbus infauto is my favorite weapon for rolling steel

[paper trellis]

Vraks infantry auto is legitimately amazing

It’s ttk is fantastic

[crisp oak]

Might try it as any 143 kriegsman should have

[sleek garden]

I don't like that one much

I like having some range

[paper trellis]

Vraks is actually a lot more accurate at range than you might think. Need to ads tho

[crisp oak]

Might try the 2 round burst headhunter

[paper trellis]

It’s honestly pretty good for popping snipers

[pastel yew]

isnt the recoil on it sorta weird

[sleek garden]

I watch people use it and they have to do the counter strike aim down and the bullets go above the sights

I hate it

[pastel yew]

like it pulls up but only to a certain point

then stops

[sleek garden]

doesn't matter

[crisp oak]

Cs doesnt have ads

[paper trellis]

Yeah, sounds like they are mag dumping

[sleek garden]

That's 20 bullets out of the mag to deal with a flamer 40 meters out

I could shoot him 3 times with the columnus

[paper trellis]

Both are definitely side grades, I just prefer vraks

[sleek garden]

Though I have always been partial to mid grade variants of weapons, I also like the agripinaa pattern of it

[eternal verge]

I’m starting to think

[sleek garden]

Chunky sounding

[crisp oak]

Btw tried out the infantry las, don't get the hype

[paper trellis]

That dum dum build up in a burst fire is just chefs kiss

[eternal verge]

I should be playing on malice befause these allies on heresy

might be some of the worst I’ve ever seen in coop shooters

I just wanna level my vet

[paper trellis]

Headshots. It has a very high headshot multiplier and nearly infinite ammo

[eternal verge]

😭

[sleek garden]

If you don't aim for the head don't use it

[crisp oak]

Been hitting them, still don't get it (maybe its my blessings which are random)

[paper trellis]

The slower harder hitting one is objectively the best, but it by far requires the most skill

[crisp oak]

Only heads I dont hit are like zerging out ragers

[sleek garden]

basically go down the left tree of veteran, keep your distance (damage gets lower as enemies get closer) and keep shooting

[paper trellis]

Pair it with a crit blessing and the crit headshot blessing which doubles its damage

[sleek garden]

No, take it with ghost so you can go toe to toe with gunners

It crits fairly often on its own

[paper trellis]

Also a very good choice

https://youtu.be/xbiIYVtuUkw?si=rzn3iWq8WgtY173c

[sleek garden]

Also the mid grade one even though the bodyshot damage seems meh at range with exy stance you start one shotting random scab shooters to the body

Which is huge

I take mine with ghost and falter

[paper trellis]

Now if only I could stand using exe stance

[crisp oak]

This

[visual remnant]

Hey guys how do you perk or use the dueling swords against Fully armored enemies like maulers and crushers??

[sleek garden]

I can't take it off

It's too good to mee

[paper trellis]

Ahh explains the agripinaa lol

[sleek garden]

Agripinaa is very controlled when you crouch

[crisp oak]

Heavy attacks->special attack to the head of crushers

[sleek garden]

Try it

[crisp oak]

2 rotations of that and it should be dead

[paper trellis]

Ik. It’s a very headshot centric gun

[crisp oak]

Maybe less

[sleek garden]

Infantry autos become laser beams when you crouch

Especially in exy stance

[crisp oak]

I... dont like execy stance

[pseudo fiber]

Uncanny strike is what helps deal with them

[crisp oak]

Thinks its because I like being more in the action

Which shout does

[visual remnant]

Thx

[sleek garden]

I value infantry guns for being able to deal with shooters and specialists and most elites very fast

[crisp oak]

This

[paper trellis]

It requires your teammates to keep shit off of you.

[crisp oak]

Pmuch

[sleek garden]

You guys know exy stays up when you swap to melee now right

[paper trellis]

That is a very high ask for most pubs

[paper trellis]

Mhm, but has no effect on melee damage

[sleek garden]

You can put your gun away to defend yourself real quick and then pull your gun out

[crisp oak]

[sleek garden]

take for the emperor

[paper trellis]

Why wouldn’t I just use shout?

[ancient path]

playing executioners stance is its own cock and balls torture. shout outs to this guy

[visual remnant]

Can the hellebore get it?

[sleek garden]

I'm surprised nobody likes exy stance

[paper trellis]

Ik how to use exe stance, I got all of its penances, I just don’t like it

[crisp oak]

Its a melee blessing

[sleek garden]

The damage boost with that and marksmans focus is so high

[thorn lark]

I like

[paper trellis]

Dudes aim is impeccable

[sleek garden]

because it's not gonna stop the gunners 30 meters away from shooting you

[crisp oak]

I like shout, because stagger

[ancient path]

its fun until you get jumped by the 50 bajillion things the ai director sent your way the moment you ADS

[sleek garden]

I really don't have this problem most of the time

[paper trellis]

I’ve already killed them. I never struggle with gunners.

[crisp oak]

It saves my ass when the director says "hey heres 8 ragers"

[sleek garden]

perhaps my teammates aren't morons

[paper trellis]

That’s probably it

I mostly play in pubs

[ancient path]

ya i play pubs

which is mostly filled with chastise zealots and, now, greatsword pyskers

[sleek garden]

They can run in and fistfight the maulers, I'll stay back and kill the trapper flamer duo before they get to the buddies

[paper trellis]

It’s a lot easier to carry as a shout or stealth vet

[crisp oak]

I play pubs or with newer players typically, so shout is good fun for the whole team

[ancient path]

or, worse, duel sword stealth zealots.

i want to like executioners stance because it feels very, very veteran to me

[paper trellis]

And exe stance’s damage is nice, but it pigeonholes you to a sharpshooter, and I already have equivalent ttk playing run and gun

Tbf I do also play zealot so I’m a lot more comfortable in melee than I used to be

[paper trellis]

Same, but it’s just so hyperfocued

And you sacrifice so much to use it

[sleek garden]

This is exactly what it feels like

what do you sacrifice

Just take a devils claw sword

[ancient path]

ae stagger, yellow toughness for entire team, damage boost for entire team

[paper trellis]

Shouts are super strong and give a ton of utility, stealth gives good survivability and very strong burst damage

[sleek garden]

like your three other teammates aren't using chorus and shout

[ancient path]

meanwhile exe just gives wallhacks to the team - which is a team of duel sword chastise zealots that dont care about wallhacks.

[sleek garden]

That's an optional modifier

[paper trellis]

Also exe stance expects you to either be on the fringes of coherency or have competent teammates

[sleek garden]

I don't take that

[ancient path]

or potential man pysker that wishes he was his favorite yt'er.

[sleek garden]

you don't need competent teammates, they're all using shout duelling sword bolt pistol

[ancient path]

i legit never see other veteran players in my pubs

[paper trellis]

And the wall hacks gimp you since if your team gets any of those kills it shortens its potential duration

[sleek garden]

the game plays itself for them on any difficulty below auric maelstrom on clandestium

[ancient path]

its all zealot / pysker

its why i cant play my zealot

[sleek garden]

I knoww

[pastel yew]

character flaw 🫵 ES is based

[sleek garden]

I want to play zealot for once but there's literally zealots in every single match

I thought psyker was the most made class in stats

[paper trellis]

I see a decent chunk of vets, mostly running either exe stance or shout

[sleek garden]

Exy stance is a rarity

[ancient path]

i like zealot, want to play more zealot, but i'm so fuckin bias against that class from how many dumb of ass zealots i run into while also being dumb of ass.

[paper trellis]

Zealots are by far the most common

[pastel yew]

if you're not playing melee isnt this where you should be anyway

[crisp oak]

Pmuch

[ancient path]

so when i get into a lobby and see nothing but zealot and play it and wonder why the fuck am i getting shot so much

or oh god why is there still 5 snipers

[crisp oak]

My issue is that I dont really play like that

So its a me problem

[pastel yew]

I think I've seen exactly one ES vet in the past like 100 games

no one uses that shit

;-;

[ancient path]

ya lol

[paper trellis]

Again, that requires your party to keep chaff off of you while you deal with shooters

[sleek garden]

Yeah who on earth sees other vets with exy

[ancient path]

if i get a vet, its shout or stealth

[pastel yew]

I wouldnt agree

[ancient path]

and thats if i see a vet

[pastel yew]

if you're using ES everything threatening will die

[ancient path]

pysker is busted and zealot is a yt class

[pastel yew]

which means all you have to do is dodge the chaff as you shoot

[sleek garden]

This is 100% why I have to play vet

I can't stand having 0 range on the team

[ancient path]

yea same

[sleek garden]

Everyone is using a close range one shotter

[thorn lark]

When I look in the mirror

[ancient path]

some rando sando zealot player swearing he can hit throwing knives

[paper trellis]

Tbf revolvers and bolt pistols are fun on zealot

[ancient path]

ya its what i rock

[sleek garden]

It's fine let them use it

[grand perch]

i love ES gameplay so much. i just wish it was more useful on havoc

[sleek garden]

I don't mind the other guys bringing anti tank stuff

[ancient path]

but revolver isnt going to have the same out of uptime as ilas on veteran

[sleek garden]

It means I can bring my devils claw and infantry guns and frags

[ancient path]

but i use revovler because no one else is fuckin taking care of ranged elites

[paper trellis]

You don’t have to, I’m communicating what I’ve experienced. The vast majority of my parties are functionally playing solo together

[thorn lark]

In AM?

[sleek garden]

I take braced auto on zealot so I can suppress them to rush over and whack with sword

[edgy sluice]

yeeeeah done 40 laaads

[sleek garden]

Nice job

[edgy sluice]

🫡

[sleek garden]

I've onlyade it to 29

[paper trellis]

Now it’s different in havoc, but in havoc those overshields are very valuable

[crisp oak]

I need to do 25, tried it with randos didnt go well

[sleek garden]

I still use exy stance in havoc but I agree it's way more dangerous

[crisp oak]

Most I made it was 75% through the plague tree one

Then 2 people died before elevator doors opened

[sleek garden]

You kinda have to take ghost on lasguns

In havoc

[crisp oak]

Did havok buff the shotgunners range?

[sleek garden]

No

[paper trellis]

That and most of the time I run recon, I have very little difficulty cutting through hordes of shooters and chaff with it

[crisp oak]

Because we died to a pack of them across the room through the elevator door

[sleek garden]

Fair but I don't think the recons have much suppression

[stuck gorge]

I believe the buffed falloff for gunners

[paper trellis]

No, they hit harder but don’t stagger anymore

[paper trellis]

Ehh their suppression is weird. It’s decent but you need to maintain fire

And their stagger is nonexistent because lasgun

[sleek garden]

Yeah

That's why I like the infantry

Ghost and one shot headshots

I cry when I have to play pus hardened skin

[paper trellis]

I also like revolver and plasma, and I’m already one shotting without exe stance with those

Jfc autocorrect

[sleek garden]

But with 10 stacks of marksmans focus, +25 flak and exy stance my infantry las one shots a scab shooter to the head

In pus hardened skin

Or I get lucky and crit

[paper trellis]

Aye, I use crits and infernus to accomplish the same thing in a sweep. Different playstyles. Nothing wrong with that

Or just pop em in the head with plasma

[sleek garden]

I have used the recons but I feel like I wasn't getting what I wanted from it

I like the full auto precision still but it felt a bit weak

[paper trellis]

When I want to be a sharpshooter I run bolter or revolver or plasma, and mark targets to hit breakpoints

[reef estuary]

exec stance with shooter dealing veterans are very good in havoc higherr levels

[paper trellis]

Infernus and crits really make all the difference

[ancient path]

this is my biggest issue with randoms. everyone just plays solo and the game functions better, encourages, and plays smoother when ppl fight as a team

[sleek garden]

it's good in a close range brawler setup but it doesn't have ghost

I can't 1v1 a gunner

[paper trellis]

Hundred percent. Playing with a tank ogryn or cc psyker feels great. Even more a chorus zealot that takes care of close chaff instead of diving

[hard cave]

hoo hoo hee hee loner zealot build go brrr

[sleek garden]

That and you have a nonzero chance of getting the classic brainless shieldgryn who never presses lmb

I get those fairly often

It's infuriating

[paper trellis]

Try zealot. You’ll learn the timing for dodges

[sleek garden]

Even in the voice chats here

[hard cave]

light attack on the shield sucks

[sleek garden]

I mean they don't attack at all

They just push and block

And they buffed the lights

[paper trellis]

The vast majority of vc I’ve had have been squeakers or echos

[thorn lark]

I don't see a lot of inactive shieldgyn in AM. They usually die and leave

[hard cave]

oh that's odd

[sleek garden]

That's the other infuriating thing

How do you die as a shield ogryn

[paper trellis]

I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve had a stealth zealot go out of the way to kill major threats. They always seem to use it as an oh shit button

[paper trellis]

Trapper or dog

[thorn lark]

Yeah.. also. Why people leave...

[sleek garden]

yeah but these types of ogryns only block and still die to poxwalkers

If you don't know what kind of player I'm talking about I'm happy for you

[paper trellis]

I haven’t seen that

[sleek garden]

Pray you dont

They're a real threat

I've had probably 10 overall

[paper trellis]

Most shield ogryns I’ve run with have been fairly competent and have been enjoyable to play with

[sleek garden]

You can identify them by the 9 wounds

And the shield

[paper trellis]

It’s the diving zealots that give me more issues than anything

[sleek garden]

Those are classics

The shieldgryns are a bit more esoteric

[distant girder]

Only way we'd ever see hotshot lasgun/hellgun implemented (if ever)

[sleek garden]

Ugliest lasgun I've ever seen

Why does it have an oil filter where the stock should be

[distant girder]

Hotshot lasgun. With box magazine instead of cables

[paper trellis]

I will say when a party sticks together it’s a lot better but most parties I’ve had end up splitting in two at best

[sleek garden]

I want to play ogryn in havoc but I know nobody will have any range

[paper trellis]

And mostly because I chase down the one that ran off so they don’t die

[sleek garden]

I've found success as psyker

I spam staff primary and it scares gunners and shooters

[paper trellis]

I haven’t worked on my psyker or ogryn yet

[distant girder]

That's just the design. See old kasrkin, scions and inquisition stormtroopers

[paper trellis]

Laspistols have the same thing

[distant girder]

Same way for volleygun. Only way you'd get it ingame

[paper trellis]

You know what’s fun? Playing a paladin style zealot. Guarding the party, ducking in and out, chorus for big pushes, popping shooters with a revolver, knife, or bolter

And ppl are more likely to stick together when they get those chorus shields, corruption cleanse, and cc

[crisp oak]

Or you just play veteran like this with shout

And people tend to stay closer unless dumb

[vapid nacelle]

I love bolt pistol grenadier veteran I love inflicting bleeding on anything from the floor to the stratosphere

[crisp oak]

Are you also eunning bleed on melee?

To commit to the bit

(With mercy killer on knife)

[vapid nacelle]

I do have a knife yes, it's not mercy killer though

[crisp oak]

But you got all that bleed

[glacial peak]

hey ive been out the game for a bit did they do anything to the mk4 power sword or is it still braindead block activate and 3 lights

[crisp oak]

No changes

But they added a better one for zealot

Which will hopefully trickle back to the vets

[glacial peak]

ty

hopefully pswords get a movesets

[crisp oak]

Would reccomend trying out the dueling sword

Which vet got relatively recently (and is super broken on zealot)

[glacial peak]

i am aware vet has access to the broken weapon

are we still doing the thing were you just ignore the capstones?

[crisp oak]

They still have uses

But you can ignore them

[glacial peak]

cool

[hollow ibex]

They can be very good

[crisp oak]

Shout was always good

[hollow ibex]

It just depends on what build you’re running

[glacial peak]

i am a shout gamer

[crisp oak]

Weapon specialist can make it so you never have to reload

[crisp oak]

The other shout

The yellow tag

[vital wren]

I tried infiltrate and executioner and just strongly prefer shout

[glacial peak]

oh

[crisp oak]

Weapon specialist gives 20% toughness for switching weapons every 3 seconds

Thats nice in some builds

Marksmans focus.....

[vital wren]

Spec was a pretty fun time when I did the penance for it.

[ancient path]

weap spec seems like the go to keystone talent

[crisp oak]

Pretty much, but tag can help with some bps and is nice

Weapon specialist means I cant onetap crushers with my shovel without taking a bunch of tax nodes

[ancient path]

you can one tap crushers with shovel?

neat

[glacial peak]

does anyone have a generic shout vet build?

[crisp oak]

Yeah mk7 with thrust/cara and golden tag

Or if full uncanny strikes no tag needed

[ancient path]

neat.

also saw this on reddit

the bane of my existance

[grand perch]

is it hide and seek scab mauler saturday yet?

[crisp oak]

Hide and seek scab rager more like it

Love swinging into a horde and hearing the carapace bounce

With some scab rager with his ball gag in

[clever hedge]

Might have better luck with YouTube on the full build front.
Basica are probably vraks auto gun, Rashad combat axe, golden toughness node on your shout and scavenger/frags blitz aura

[stoic thorn]

Exe Stance + Plasma go brr

[crisp oak]

Generic, depends on weapon do you want my non-lasgun mastery farming build?

[rich lintel]

Can anyone explain how to get to the next tier of gear, I have all my stuff to yellow but see videos and people have red gear 😅

[balmy flume]

I...think gold tier is already best right now without mods?

[glacial peak]

im pretty sure red just means 500 rated item (its just a visual invintory mod)

[rich lintel]

Oh ok ty both

[tall torrent]

It’s a mod to make your 500 power gold weapons look red

[last peak]

How bad is this build? This is what i ended up with after a week of playing, using bolter and chainaxe for weapons. I try to focus on spamming shout for gold toughness, killing elites and bosses for my team but i still struggle, even just in diff 4/5.

[paper trellis]

I mean I do so when I’m running a shout vet, but I use my gun far more so it feels less like a pally and more like a battlefield technician

[crisp oak]

I swap a lot depending on the melee

[crisp oak]

Replaced rending strikes with superiority complex, demo team, or field improv

15% increased dps against specialists and higher is worth more than the rending

Other than that I like it

[last peak]

I thought about using demo team instead, grenades seem really good, especially if you can spam them through regen

[crisp oak]

They are, especially on higher difficulty

On the other hand, superiority complex does some work with some ranged gun (like making bolt pistol oneshot gunners)

[civic knot]

What is the middle child Helbore?

in between of the faster charge/damage per shot

[crisp oak]

Mk3

I hate the new numbering

[tall torrent]

IIIa

[crisp oak]

Its the best of the 3

Fight me mk6.2567 nerds

[paper trellis]

Hmm, anyone got a weapon specialist that can fit survivalist? Curious about the logistics of it

And not at home so can’t open up game to experiment

[crisp oak]

What gun and how far into weapon specialist

[paper trellis]

Probably plasma or revolver, ideally with 2 of the support nodes

[crisp oak]

Something like this then

Forget if you need the ogryn talent to onetap crushers

[crude fiber]

Any alpha gamers in here get the 35+ havoc no downs penance?

[vital wren]

Hiragana named person did it

[paper trellis]

Hmm alright, I’ve made one very similar. Really doesn’t leave a lot of wiggle room but still workable

[crisp oak]

Yup

Thats my issue with weapon specialist

[paper trellis]

Sadly there no real way to fit that one melee node above the speed aura

[crisp oak]

Nope

[vital wren]

@bitter turtle I believe

[crisp oak]

Unless you wanna lose tons of revolver damage (and ammo)

But tbh not sure if the 25% damage is worth it

[paper trellis]

Sad thing is it’s a really solid node, but survivalist is just so much better than move speed

[distant girder]

THROWING KRAK

[crisp oak]

Yup

[clever hedge]

Saw it once in pubs

[crisp oak]

You might be able to if you took kraks

And dropped superiority +fully loaded

[paper trellis]

Ehh dropping fully loaded would hurt even more

[crisp oak]

Or field improv/demo team

[paper trellis]

And that flat 15% all the time is far more valuable

[crisp oak]

Demo team doesnt help kraks as much so it may work

[paper trellis]

True

[crisp oak]

But you lose frags

[midnight totem]

Is this for havoc?

[crisp oak]

Field improv/superiority complex are the only flex picks

[crude fiber]

I've been struggling trying to get it. Either I host and get a bunch of clearance 20s sho have no idea how stupid 30s are or spend 30 minutes trying to find higher level groups in party finder

[crisp oak]

Revolver is rough for havok so I hope not

[midnight totem]

Very sad and true

[bitter turtle]

I mean it's just luck tbh

I just got lucky with a good pug when I was going for 40 before reset

That and don't die yourself lol

Oh

One tip though

[midnight totem]

I just finished a 37 on my vet with knife and plasma gun

[paper trellis]

Yeah but plasma could fit into the same build

[crisp oak]

Yeah it could

[bitter turtle]

I didn't see this happen bc my friend was not playing with me

[paper trellis]

Since they fit such a similar role

[bitter turtle]

But they got their title

Apparently

[crisp oak]

Would not use it there then

[bitter turtle]

Even though they died

[crisp oak]

Cuz frags

[bitter turtle]

Bc they got deleted by a crusher

[crisp oak]

Are less finite than your plasma shots

[bitter turtle]

So they technically didn't go down

[paper trellis]

Yeah

[midnight totem]

Frags are just superior in havoc, and not for damage, but for cc

[bitter turtle]

So consider that?

[crude fiber]

Lol so ledging and overheads gibs are still safe game

[crisp oak]

So meta is get hit by crusher overhead, make 3 poor sods trio it

[midnight totem]

I wish smoke grenades got a buff

[bitter turtle]

I'm not sure about ledges and nets. But I assume they aren't counted as downs

[crisp oak]

Actively grief

[midnight totem]

They're not downs

[crisp oak]

[crude fiber]

Mfw I get cornered so I just push spam till the crusher overhead will gib me

[bitter turtle]

Smokes aren't even the worst in havoc, a 15 second dome that can't be destroyed is p good

[crude fiber]

[bitter turtle]

Idk why anyone would bring kraks, those are really niche

[midnight totem]

Yeah, but it's a lil wonky on what will or won't shoot through them and their positioning

[stuck gorge]

Vermintide thrilling vapors for smokes fr

[bitter turtle]

No it's very consistent now

[distant girder]

Dunno. Plasma seems rather weak in Havoc. But I could be wrong

[crisp oak]

Could see maybe for pus hardened bosses

[bitter turtle]

After bugfixes

Basically if you are in smoke or behind smoke you're good

[crude fiber]

Now of smokes also disabled suppression effect while in it that would be neat

[crisp oak]

About as weak as all the other ranged weapons

[bitter turtle]

Unless they are in smoke with you

[midnight totem]

Really? I'll have to use them more then. I do have a havoc ready build with it, just haven't used it yet

[crisp oak]

Just has more cleave than most pf them

[bitter turtle]

It does

[crude fiber]

Oh well there you go

[bitter turtle]

Yea they also affect specialists quite significantly

[crude fiber]

Smokes op please nerf

[distant girder]

I see crusher/group of armoured elite? I want them off my screen asap

[paper trellis]

I try to avoid kraks in legitimate builds tbh

[bitter turtle]

Mind you

[midnight totem]

Since that build I use doesn't path into survivalist

[bitter turtle]

I think shredders are still better

[bitter turtle]

Shredders are still better in that situation

[midnight totem]

My favorite build uses kraks

[crisp oak]

I ran kraks on my old krieg build because I had 0 answef to maulers and crushers

But fixed it with mk7 shovel

[paper trellis]

I could see a build with smokes and the melee switch node, but no way to grab survivalist

[distant girder]

for my Kasrkin/Cadian

[bitter turtle]

Kraks aren't reliable against multiple enemies

Only reason to bring them is bosses tbh

[crisp oak]

With tinkerer they seem to work fine on a pack

[distant girder]

Fair point. Which is what I also use them on.

[bitter turtle]

You might get 2 or 3

[paper trellis]

They also have the issue of the fuse time

[crisp oak]

Most I got was 5

[bitter turtle]

It's not enough when there's 15 paired with a horde on both sides

[midnight totem]

My chad revolver/power sword build with kraks

[crisp oak]

But they were inside each other

[vital wren]

Fuse time was the nuisance trying to get the penance so I could switch back to frags.

[paper trellis]

That’s surprising, must have been damn near riding eachother

[crisp oak]

They were

Might have also been tickled from something else, and may have had some aura help

[midnight totem]

If you're ballsy enough, throw a krak then run into the crushers to make them bunch up trying to hit you

[crisp oak]

Why rending strikes?

[midnight totem]

Short answer: I hate the tink of an unpowered ps hitting carapace

[crisp oak]

I see

I dont use ps

Dislike it

[midnight totem]

Long answer: eh, I would get more mileage out of agile strikes, this is true

This is my lazy auric build

[crisp oak]

I was thinking more boolets

[midnight totem]

More bullets is always nice.

I guess I'm really sort of hoping rending gets more buffed

[crisp oak]

Fair

[midnight totem]

Because it's not really competitive with elite superiority on the other side

[crisp oak]

Also using a weapon with uncanny strikes

Would fix the tink

like the shovel

[midnight totem]

Shovel goes on funny infinite ammo kreig build

That one I've done havoc with up to 30

Was firing the entire game with my helbore, not a single bit of ammo taken and one of my teammates was like "how have you not run out?"

Me: I'm still nearly full reserves mate

But yeah, that is my lazy fun auric build, with rending strikes and krak grenades

Hilarious in monster maelstrom actually, since the kraks nearly take off half a weakened monster's health

[crisp oak]

Should probably try that

My columnus performance has been dropping off

Btw what are the best curios for vet?

[midnight totem]

So we get three bosses, I'm like "np, watch this" instantly delete two of them with a krak and a few weakpoint crits each and the third monster is like "alright, look here we got off on the wrong foot"

I like sniper resist, corruption, stamina regen, and sprint efficiency

Ever since they removed vanguard, my beloved

[crisp oak]

Vanguard?

[bitter turtle]

Sprint cost reduction

Used to be where weapon swap speed was

[midnight totem]

Node that was replaced by one motion now

Gave 20 percent sprint efficiency

[crisp oak]

Ah right

Loved that node

[midnight totem]

Same

[austere pine]

the emperor protects

[crisp oak]

That he does

[austere pine]

still not sure about which mark i like best

x11 shoots fast but is literally just a bullet hose. you have a cone in front of you and anything inside of it dies

vic is similar but it's more of a horizontal line where things die, less so a cone

let's see how much i hate xiv

[bitter turtle]

Is this havoc

Imo havoc -> VIc
Auric -> XIV

The fast one is just for onslaught meme

[candid agate]

whats good about VIc? it looks like it has less damage and ammo at the same time

[bitter turtle]

VIc has most ammo efficiency

14 and 12 are roughly equal in damage but 14 has cleave

12 has the fastest rof so it stacks stuff like onslaught the best

In havoc ammo efficiency matters more than either of those factors

Cleave doesn't work with havoc hitmass

And onslaught does not fit on builds

[candid agate]

so how is it ammo efficient? just uses less magazine per shot?

[tall torrent]

You have 108+636 shots

[bitter turtle]

14 use 2 bullets per 1 shot