veteran-class

[cyan verge]

it's incineratingly rage-inducing for me that they were like

of ALL PATTERNS

they were like yes, pastel blue

yes

[pseudo fiber]

I love it

With the white very clean

[cyan verge]

like not some kinda urban splitter camo or some shit

BLUE

[pastel yew]

man why cant we just have colourable cosmetics like space marreeen

[pseudo fiber]

Because this way makes more money

[pastel yew]

I guess because then they couldnt sell the same thing in a different colour yes

[cyan verge]

I have heard that darktide cosmetics DO have like, the channels for it to be implemented, or something, in the textures, but it's just not... in the game

[pseudo fiber]

Anyway it was probably a parade thing (and gives more credit to the idea that the 6th were set up to fall)

[cyan verge]

I don't know how true that is

it's just something I heard

[pseudo fiber]

Kinda a blend of info

[pastel yew]

god I wish the combat blade had

thrust

so bad

that'd be such a fun blessing

[pseudo fiber]

There's dev tools that allow them to make colours easier so patterns and scuff marks and stuff

But that isn't available through ftd

You can only texture swap

Using for the drip

[cyan verge]

yeah combat blade with thrust would be funny

it would make a lot of sense too

since you're always charging

it might be OP tho

[pseudo fiber]

Some people think the dev tool was a thing players can use which is wildly misreading a dev qna

[cyan verge]

ahhhh

that makes sense then

alright

so whoever I heard it from it was bullshit

[pseudo fiber]

You can texture swap using for the drip as mentioned though so people do wacky stuff through that

There's a zealot here with like full desert camo

[cyan verge]

lol

[pseudo fiber]

Don't remember who though

[cyan verge]

well not here

this is vet chat

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-allen-willem-dafoe-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-chad-uv-uk-ondi-gif-27368842

So it is

Anyway I gotta grind auric Maelstrom tomorrow

Mastery out like... all the ogryn weapons and a few psyker ones then I'll be 5480

And then 20 can come from idk killing Trapper

And I gotta do havoc 40 again

God damn it

[cyan verge]

yeah I'm scared of auric maelstrom right now

cuz I'm 3/5

[serene bough]

why

oh

[pseudo fiber]

You'll be fine just do not do monstrous specials

[cyan verge]

and I know like on the next game, or the game after that, I'm just going to be blindsided by the dumbest possible team

[pseudo fiber]

Everything else is easy peasy

[cyan verge]

about two weeks ago I would have yolo'd it but

[tall torrent]

The bestiary stuff gives a lot of points

[cyan verge]

now, every newbie with a hope and a dream is running maelstroms trying to get into havoc

so it's a total mixed bag what players you get

[pseudo fiber]

True I'll probably get a lot from auric anyway

[cyan verge]

and like, I'm OK at this game, but I can't carry an auric maelstrom on my back probably

[pseudo fiber]

Except reapers

Why are there so few reapers

[cyan verge]

yeah it's weird that

[tall torrent]

All the reapers went into havoc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[cyan verge]

I think they made some errors with the bestiary

I basically never see reapers spawn ever, same with bulwarks

but you need like 1000 bulwark kills

I'm at like 50 or something

[pseudo fiber]

Give it a week or 2 it'll return to normal.
Or fuck it we ball now either way works.

[cyan verge]

and have many of the other ones already done

I kind of want to build a party in PF before I try running maelstrom again but the thing is even in that situation you still don't know what people are cooking until you get in

so ehhh

[pseudo fiber]

Better to ask here tbh

[tall torrent]

What’s ur region

[cyan verge]

OCE lol

AUS

pacific south

[tall torrent]

Oh welp

[pseudo fiber]

You got the Japanese guys then they're good

[cyan verge]

I have not seen a single JP player unfortunately

cuz they're like

[pseudo fiber]

That's surprising

[cyan verge]

I assume pacific north

there's like three pacific regions for some reason

[pseudo fiber]

EU to OCE connection would be hell on earth so sorry can't help either

[cyan verge]

yeah here

dw about it

it's cool

I'll just get lucky at some point

[pseudo fiber]

Good luck though you're clearly skill enough

[cyan verge]

btw does it say -1ms for everyone else

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly get a melee only one and bang out two you'd be cruising

[cyan verge]

yeah

[balmy flume]

Well I done it.
Achieved someone else’s Havoc 35.

Started in PuG with a 34, and we worked well enough to do the 35.

In Gloriana.

With Battery at end.

Lights out.

[pseudo fiber]

Nice

[cyan verge]

gratz

that's pretty wild

I have HEARD someone theorize that, lights out makes ranged enemies try to melee you more or just shoot less, or something, so maybe that helped? dunno

[mystic jasper]

These don't seem acceptable numbers for a vet on havoc 33 or is it just me?

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

holy gamma

[mystic jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-darktide-sharpshooter-darktide-veteran-hello-chat-darktide-hello-chat-gif-2742873438399829862

[pastel yew]

als ngl seems like those are some pretty shit numbers from everyone except you

unless sienna is a smite psyker or

something

sometimes people just have bad games though

you get into a series of unfortunate events or your misplay happens at a bad time

[cyan verge]

halo death animation

[pastel yew]

also clandestium gloriana

lmao

[green willow]

is the double barrels crit good enough to pick scattershot

[pastel yew]

I mean

if you're playing zealot? probably.. maybe?

but as vet no

because the only build worth running the double barrel is WS

and WS gives you a guaranteed crit

[cyan verge]

true true

where are you bringing this anyway

[balmy flume]

Now that you mention it, in the very last stretch hordes kinda just…stopped spawning?
That and right at extraction there were 2 inactive gunners I spotted (that somehow did not see me seeing them)

[cyan verge]

wow, interesting

[balmy flume]

We had some dicey moments though…like a squad of crushers at the gate right after the tram battery thing,

Me almost waking a DH when trying to retreat from a BoN (only went into alert state thankfully)

[cyan verge]

yeahhhh, one thing, this is kind of anomalous, but the other week when I was doing mercantile, do you know the arena right at the end? a vet with us had the highlight and it actually highlighted two gunners that were in their like idle walk state on the other side of the arena

while the horde was doing its thing

[balmy flume]

interesting

[cyan verge]

so I wonder if like it's possible sometimes specials spawn without aggro?

[pastel yew]

horde doesnt aggro all map spawns does it?

only the new ones

[green willow]

which one is WS

[pastel yew]

so if an enemy is a map spawn from a later section they'll be non hostile

[pastel yew]

weapon specialist

[cyan verge]

oh they were in the arena

[pastel yew]

the keystone on the far right

[cyan verge]

they were just like, not aggro'd for some reason

I know cuz I shot at them and they were like yo what

[green willow]

always prepared?

[cyan verge]

Weapon Specialist

WS

[green willow]

yeah but do i pick always prepared for the double barrel

[cyan verge]

that would mean that

if you stab a poxwalker

swap, then swap to melee

then stab a poxwalker

swap back

[pastel yew]

the guaranteed crit is just part of the keystone itself, weaponspecialist

[cyan verge]

your double-barrel WILL be full

[pastel yew]

33% crit per stack on your next shot

[cyan verge]

so yes it means you can refill it with two melee kills

is that worth it? up 2 u

[green willow]

tbf im running both barrels

[pastel yew]

I think the nice thing is that the one single barrel shot is enough to do some decent shit muncher clear

swap speed is fast so... an ideal weapon for maintaining the melee buff if thats most of what you're after

[cyan verge]

thing is too, it's +33% crit chance per stack, so only 2 kills gets you +66% crit chance

[pastel yew]

zarona definitely better in every conceivable way but... its fun

[cyan verge]

and yeah true

you could get into a rhythm of like stab, shoot, stab, shoot, etc

take this too

[pastel yew]

my favourite talent I can barely ever have

vet tree so expensive

[cyan verge]

spoiled for choice

[green willow]

yeah i love AE

unsure of marksman

[pastel yew]

marksmans insane

its one of the few multiplicative buffs in the game I think

though some of the other picks are a bit odd

no reciprocity?

for ws thats like

a lot of crit chance

[cyan verge]

good talent

[green willow]

ok

[cyan verge]

yeah it probably has better uptime than CQK too

since it's only on combat ability use

whereas, you are dodging all the time right

[green willow]

does keep their heads down stack with the suppression of infiltrate

[cyan verge]

at least me personally, I dunno I am in the habit of spamming lefft/right dodges a lot

[pastel yew]

yeah ditto

I mean

theres practically never a reason not do that in fairness

[cyan verge]

don't know, I don't think so, and even if it did I think infiltrate is like, it flatly suppresses all nearby enemies?

[pastel yew]

and it saves a lot of unneccesary damage

[cyan verge]

ye

[umbral scaffold]

@pastel yew how can you tell?

[cyan verge]

... how can you tell what

[pastel yew]

tell what

[umbral scaffold]

@pastel yew if the buff is multiplicative

[eternal verge]

fucking TWEAKING trying to get make every shot count rn what’s the method

[pastel yew]

just damage testing in the psykanium

[eternal verge]

I’ve practically had it twice with just the revolver but

[pastel yew]

though for the most part I'd just assume its not

[eternal verge]

shit allies jumpscare

[pastel yew]

as practically nothing is

I think

if it says +strength

that it is

but I might be wrong there

same with blessings

[cyan verge]

bring junk minimum ammo double barrel shotgun and no survivalist for your sanity

then do any normal mission

[green willow]

so true king

use shotguns

[eternal verge]

oh

[pastel yew]

i got it with double barrel, just went in and blasted both barrels into an enemy across a run

[eternal verge]

damn

[cyan verge]

always fire both barrels

because

[pastel yew]

its the lowest ammo count weapon if you fire both yeah

[cyan verge]

guess what

if even 1 pellet hits

shotgun counts as a HIT

so

yeah

[bitter turtle]

Always prepared let's let's drop both barrels and run another blessing

[eternal verge]

so basically what happened on what I thought was my winning run was

[pastel yew]

I do think some people have had issues with this though

[eternal verge]

I dumped all my ammo into a plague ogryn

[pastel yew]

so just to be on the safe side try and hit as many pellets as pos

[cyan verge]

yes

I mean of course

ideally

[eternal verge]

and then went through 90% of the run with just my knife

[bitter turtle]

And it also makes firing a single shot less punishing

[cyan verge]

nice

[eternal verge]

and then my allies left me with 7 ragers for a medicae station

and I respawned with 40 rounds

[cyan verge]

AHHHHHHHHHh

yeah

I am not sure

but at least for me on the attempt I did and died

it just didn't work

I don't know what it does to the penance but if you die... yeah

[pastel yew]

oof

[cyan verge]

it's bad

[green willow]

whats the best melee for surprise attacking with infiltrate

[eternal verge]

it’s personal to me between ragers and gunners bro

like I want them eviscerated

turned to ash

[pastel yew]

rashad probably

[bitter turtle]

Knife or ds4 if you're killing elites with it

Which you probably are

[cyan verge]

just learn to kill em with melee only

[bitter turtle]

Nobody stealth to assassinate a horde

[pastel yew]

nah but they get in the way for sure

[cyan verge]

for gunners, charge at them while sliding aggressively, stab in face

[pastel yew]

nice to have a weapon with good cleave

[bitter turtle]

Thats what underhand grenades is for

[cyan verge]

for ragers, dodge out of the way, charge heavy, apply to dome, gg

[bitter turtle]

Double underhand grenade

[pastel yew]

I also dont really think you need infiltrate to jump elites if you have the knife

[bitter turtle]

Break stealth

[cyan verge]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

Grenade gets 30% dmg

[pastel yew]

your movements already so cracked

[cyan verge]

infiltrate is not your stealth assassin ability

[bitter turtle]

And you kill the elites

[pastel yew]

mhm

[serene bough]

time2grind

16/50 for the drip

[pastel yew]

gotta keep that climb goin

[cyan verge]

granted yes I am sure there are times when you want to stealth stab a guy in the back but you are NOT ezio auditore di firenze

[eternal verge]

bro I just immediately got spawn killed because the game spawned me into a poxburster and as I was falling back to the ground a mutant caught me and fused me with the pavement

[cyan verge]

lol

oH

OH

THE OTHER THING

keep in mind

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean zealot stealth gives you huge reasons to rnu it when jumping someone but... vet stealth gives next to nothing

[bitter turtle]

Going behind enemy lines with infil is great in aurics

[cyan verge]

many of these penances, rely on you to be present, "from the beginning of the mission"

[bitter turtle]

Low profile means trapper just runs right past you lol

[pastel yew]

the 30% damage I think will put gunners in one shot range though?

without crit

on knife heavy

[bitter turtle]

So you can pick them off for your team ezpz

[cyan verge]

aka, if you join a mission, and it's in progress? you cannot get penances such as 'on overwatch' or 'make every shot count'

[bitter turtle]

Before they even get close

[pastel yew]

maybe not the dreg gunner

[serene bough]

vet stealth letting you underhand grenades without breaking stealth is the true crux of the ability

i wish it was mentioned in the tooltip

[eternal verge]

the worst thing ever is when your ally

Has that aura

[cyan verge]

so even if you join a mission and instantly die to a pox burster, that probably means you joined mid-mission, so

[eternal verge]

that gives ammo back

and you don’t notice you got ammo back from their aura

until you extract

[cyan verge]

yeah that's survivalist, it has been said that, it does not count towards your ammo for the purposes of the penance

[eternal verge]

because that happened to me when I was getting this penance on pc

oh

shit then I must’ve missed

[pastel yew]

huh, didnt know that

[eternal verge]

and coped

[cyan verge]

I don't know how true it is, but supposedly you can't be griefed

[bitter turtle]

Is that a recent change

[cyan verge]

I don't know, it's just something I heard

[pastel yew]

probably safer to just quit out though

[bitter turtle]

Cause I had to waste all my extra ammo when I did it ages ago

[pastel yew]

with double barrel you can get this penance in one attempt easy

[cyan verge]

me too, I did it for safety

and I did it

[pastel yew]

mhm mhm

[eternal verge]

I’m trying db rn

[cyan verge]

a couple week back

[eternal verge]

it keeps

[serene bough]

if you reach zero then don't swap to your ranged weapon, it'll count towards the penance, regardless of surv generating ammo

[eternal verge]

putting me in progress

so

[cyan verge]

yeah

it's toxic

[eternal verge]

shit has me tweaking

[cyan verge]

the solution? on console or anywhere

you can, simply start a mission as soon as one pops on the board

this way, by selection a brand new mission

it can't be in progress

[bitter turtle]

Queue on rolling steel and it won't be in progress ever :^)

[pastel yew]

oh yeah that makes a lot of sense actually, hadnt really considered that

[pastel yew]

dog mission for dogs

I need to do it at some point for penance though ;-;

[serene bough]

How many havoc missions are there

[bitter turtle]

Cause nobody queues for it

[serene bough]

9?

[eternal verge]

rolling steel?

with randoms!

fuck no dawg

[pastel yew]

rolling steel has 0 replayability

[bitter turtle]

I was meaning to try the new version

[eternal verge]

I like rolling steel a lot it’s one of my favourites

it’s just so cool

[cyan verge]

lol

[bitter turtle]

It sounds less tedious

[eternal verge]

I wish that commissar bitch would shut the fuck up though

[cyan verge]

it's the same mission they just eased up on how toxic it was

[eternal verge]

the way she speaks infuriates me

[cyan verge]

dukane is a very bad NPC

[eternal verge]

I hate her dawg

[pastel yew]

honestly yeah dukane is super annoying

[bitter turtle]

no

[eternal verge]

give me hadron instead

[bitter turtle]

it is not the same mission

at all

[pastel yew]

?

[twin quartz]

Anyone down to play with a new player https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042857061551190147

[eternal verge]

doesn’t she literally tell you “you are not a solder…”

[bitter turtle]

the old mission had me staring at a circle for 90% of it

[pastel yew]

whatd they change

[cyan verge]

I played rolling steel about 50 times yesterday

oh

yes, that is, different

[bitter turtle]

yea

like

[pastel yew]

2am for me, sorry boss

[bitter turtle]

i get to actually play the mission now

cause if i leave the auspex to pugs

it never gets done

[eternal verge]

STOP PUTTING ME IN FUCKING PROGRESS

[pastel yew]

there are looking for group channels there though (lfg) in the side if you wanna grab peopel

[cyan verge]

dukane's voice actress says every line of dialogue in the same sort of 'RBF' way and it's pretty tiresome

[eternal verge]

I also don’t think she sounds like a commissar

like

[cyan verge]

she really doesn't

[pastel yew]

think its just poor direction more than poor voice acting though

[exotic drum]

RBF?

[eternal verge]

it’s just not a very commissar voice

[cyan verge]

I agree

[eternal verge]

she just sounds like a stuck up rich bitch

[cyan verge]

fatshark hired her, fatshark told her what to say of course

[pastel yew]

I mean most commisars are stuck up rich bitches

[cyan verge]

so the fault really lies with them

[eternal verge]

good voice actor just a bad choice of character for them

[pastel yew]

yeah but her writing is so distractingly annoying

[cyan verge]

join this

do not join this

don't use quickmatch

do NOT use quickamtch

[eternal verge]

its heresy only

I haven’t been

[cyan verge]

yeah yeah I know

[eternal verge]

well heresy+

[cyan verge]

I just mean the timer

look at that bit

[pastel yew]

tbf the difficulty wont matter as

its all non auric so next to no density

[cyan verge]

depends how new you are

[eternal verge]

I’m still like lvl15 with my vet

[cyan verge]

LOL

yeah

[pastel yew]

oof

yeah

[cyan verge]

okay so you're gonna have a hard time in heresy or damnation dude

[eternal verge]

im not

[cyan verge]

no slight against the player you just don't have the talents

or curios

[eternal verge]

I’ve been doing like perfectly fine on heresy

[pastel yew]

tbf heresy is pretty aight at 15

but you wont be able to mega carry really

[cyan verge]

yeah I levelled in heresy on all mine

and if you make a mistake you die really fast

[eternal verge]

I’m just using revolver and the wallhax ability and it’s super fun

[cyan verge]

ah

try VoC instead

it will help you live

much safer option

[eternal verge]

I’m using voc specifically for the penance

[cyan verge]

and your team will not die as well

which is always a bonus

[eternal verge]

anywhere else I’m sticking to wallhax

[pastel yew]

ES is good early though as you get some better breakpoints to counter shit weapon stats

[eternal verge]

spawnkilling elites will never not be fun

[cyan verge]

true

[pastel yew]

but yeah VoC saves you against those 7 ragers

[eternal verge]

so does me shooting them

[cyan verge]

I used exe a lot early cuz I just saw there were like, 18 penances for it

[eternal verge]

okay I was using VoC when I died to those ragers

[pastel yew]

honestly I just really like it as an ability

[eternal verge]

lmfao

[pastel yew]

who doesnt love more damage

[cyan verge]

skill issue

[pastel yew]

oof then, double oof even

[eternal verge]

I DONT because it’s just like that one ability from vermintide

[pastel yew]

I've no room to say skill issue I've been playin like shit recently

[eternal verge]

I’ve played enough Markus

[cyan verge]

if your knife is built you should be able to VoC then stab every single one in the face gg ragers

they get knocked down for ages

oh but you're level 15

rip

[eternal verge]

[cyan verge]

hide behind your team

[pastel yew]

my winrate in auric damn+ has gone from 90%+ to 70%+ over the course of my break away I feel so useless

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[eternal verge]

I can handle the ragers it was my fault from not hogging my teams backs

[pastel yew]

they also shouldnt have left you but

yeha

[cyan verge]

yeah...

heresy moment

[eternal verge]

new mission is low intense

Might be huge idk

[cyan verge]

they probably didn't even realize you went down

yeah do it

wait

is that

GLORIANA?

yeah good luck buddy

[eternal verge]

they didn’t lol they didn’t even turn

[cyan verge]

goriana in heresy LMAO

[eternal verge]

I love this mission

[cyan verge]

it makes me weary

[pastel yew]

I think a lot of people in the lower diffs are just speed leveling though tbf

[eternal verge]

the music goes hard

oh wait that’s every mission

[pastel yew]

since theres not much xp incentive to go higher

[cyan verge]

some are, some are stuck in heresy cuz they are baaaaaaad

[pastel yew]

true

[eternal verge]

this is true

[pastel yew]

I sorta forget that auric is like... still the upper bracket of player skill

[eternal verge]

dude my friend was bringing along his lvl27 psyker friend

[pastel yew]

even though most auric players have no senses

[eternal verge]

and he was dragging us down hard on heresy

he would just sit and stare in one direction

and spam lightning

[cyan verge]

ahahhaa

I knew it

smyker

[eternal verge]

he had bubble too

so

starter pack

hadron talking about her steel rn

[pastel yew]

I think smite makes it so easy to tunnel vision so a lot of people struggle a little

[eternal verge]

ok pray for me

[pastel yew]

good luck

[eternal verge]

wait quicklyB

[pastel yew]

the emperor protects

[eternal verge]

how do you double fire with db

I’ve never touched this gun

[pastel yew]

aim

[eternal verge]

oh

it’s just

aim

[pastel yew]

it replaces your aim with uh... like a weird stance

like the braced autoguns

[eternal verge]

It does

right

okay emperor protects

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-cheerleader-cheerleader-stars-gif-1077125949481147074

[eternal verge]

almost shot swagger

[hallow drift]

I think I shoot Swagger at least once every Gloriana

Should’ve worn his hi-vis smh

[cyan verge]

I think I like him

[obtuse elm]

Puncture on pinning fire on boltgun w shattering impact

[cyan verge]

but he's slimy so I shoot him and ping enemy anyway

[cyan verge]

is that meant to be a question mark

[cyan verge]

before I answer, who is telling you to run shattering impact?

[obtuse elm]

No one

[cyan verge]

well

don't use shattering impact

you want puncture + pinning fire

[green willow]

what does this mean?

[placid portal]

Puncture + Shattering Impact

[placid portal]

Someone didn't pass the maelstrom check

[green willow]

we all have clearance tho

[cyan verge]

tell everyone to interact with their havoc terminal

it might be they haven't touched it this week

and you need to take your rewards

[placid portal]

Didn't know Dukane Pays us

[tough tiger]

Uh is the event that fatshark talking about havoc itself or sth extra?

[cyan verge]

hold tab

press E

your answers will be found there

I'll just post the screenshot since it took me 1 second

you can probably just play like any difficulty below damnation

if you really want to farm it

[eternal verge]

I think I lost it because

oh nvm got it

[cyan verge]

gratz dude

[eternal verge]

I doubted myself

I thought I lost it cause

a shock trapper pulled on me

and my ally decided

ir was his time

[cyan verge]

oh

[eternal verge]

to pull the sickest snipe

I’ve ever seen

right before I pulled the trigger

[cyan verge]

oh no

[eternal verge]

like god damn

he nailed that shit

[cyan verge]

lmao

[eternal verge]

but I’ve never been madder at a trickshot

[cyan verge]

I was gonna say if you failed, it helps to have a good idea of how many you can waste

[eternal verge]

got it though

[cyan verge]

with the double shotgun it's like, I think you can drop 6 shells

which is not many

[eternal verge]

every miss

I picked up an ammo box

[cyan verge]

bold

could help though yeah

pad out the numbers

[eternal verge]

I must say

this is my first time using DB and it was fun

might keep using it ngl

[cyan verge]

it's somewhat fun but uh yeah it has some problems

[eternal verge]

I love how it EXPLODES things at point blank shit had me weak

[cyan verge]

especially on vet

[eternal verge]

it would be good on vet if they let you use a secondary and primary gun I think

[cyan verge]

where you're like, you need to be picking off a lot of things from range and shotgun is not ranged so if you need to kill some guy 'over there' sometimes it cannot do the job and it's a problem

[green willow]

do you have to complete all missions?

[eternal verge]

I kinda wish vet got that ngl 😭

[green willow]

i survived a maelstrom kase

[cyan verge]

yes, or they delete your account /s

[eternal verge]

special should’ve loaded like

idk

slug or something

[green willow]

oh fr thanks

[eternal verge]

instead of gun bashing

[cyan verge]

well

the way fatshark has done it

it woulda been a specific mark for a slug double barrel shotgun

because the combat shotguns each are just, the same gun I think but different ammo

[eternal verge]

yeah but remember the combat shotgun special loads special rounds

[cyan verge]

(dragons breath / slug / buckshot)

[eternal verge]

I wanna try the dragons breath one is it good

[cyan verge]

I am pretty sure all the shotguns are junk as far as I know

but they're fun so go right ahead

[remote sonnet]

In higher difficulty, the shotgun with dragon breath special is pretty much a melee weapon.

The horizontal shot special is probably the most versatile with its ammo and damage.

[eternal verge]

the precision one is really good

the one that goes tight choke to slug

i feels more like a rifle than anything

just hit heads with it and it’s good

I just wish it had better blessings

[cyan verge]

the damage just seems absolutely terrible

compared to say

[eternal verge]

anyway looking dripped out now

[green willow]

whats the best for shock maul

[green willow]

gangg

just completed MASC too

[cyan verge]

check this guide

[eternal verge]

we up

[eternal verge]

candy cane knife

[cyan verge]

it tells you everything you want to know about weapons

[eternal verge]

veteran is just the coolest looking class outright

[eternal verge]

the helmet I’m using here is still my favourite helmet in the game

my friends call it the John Darktide helmet

[pastel yew]

I cant wait to get more swagger lore in

... a year?

fatshark seem to love introducing exciting new characters then

having them fizzle out

[eternal verge]

I love how hadron tells you that she’ll ask you to kill him

[pastel yew]

shame theres so little black gear to match it to

for the chest slot

loads of good black pants though

[eternal verge]

should I stack marksman and for the emperor for ES

[umbral parrot]

You guys in Darktide?

[pastel yew]

if you have the points for it

[cyan verge]

yeah

[pastel yew]

I run that with my recon

giga damage

[eternal verge]

I’d probably have to use marksman’s focus for it and I kinda don’t want to

[pastel yew]

I will open and check for you

[eternal verge]

marksman focus looks gross

[pastel yew]

I'm eu region

[cyan verge]

yeah don't use it

[eternal verge]

focus target good?

[cyan verge]

only use marksman's focus for the penance then stop

yes it's good

[umbral parrot]

Restarting my steam

[pastel yew]

marksmans focus is good now

[eternal verge]

nice

[placid portal]

wot?

[cyan verge]

I don't believe marksman's ffocus is good now at all

[pastel yew]

they increased the stack duration

[placid portal]

[pastel yew]

so you dont lose buff instantly

[eternal verge]

yeah I can afford it

[pastel yew]

it's a noticeable increase in damage with auto weapons

[umbral parrot]

No need. I just got internet back up and Steam forgot to update Darktide.

[pastel yew]

not really tested with other options but

[placid portal]

Where do they mention that

[pastel yew]

I cant imagine its good with much else

[pastel yew]

this was ages ago

[eternal verge]

hm yes standing still in a game where standing still = death in most scenarios

[pastel yew]

ah sweet never mind then

[placid portal]

oh right

[cyan verge]

the thing is like ohhh just micromanage your fuckin keystone really hard

[pastel yew]

you dont have to stand still if you're getting weakspot kills

[cyan verge]

I just think like, what if I didn't have to do that ever

[eternal verge]

still it’s weird

[pastel yew]

nah its just like disrupt destiny but

even less manageent

and worse

[eternal verge]

I like focus target cause it reminds me of that one ability from vermintide

[pastel yew]

lmao

[eternal verge]

that fun fact

it would like increase weakspot damage on pinged enemies

so I bound my melee button

to my ping button

[orchid nova]

Just...spray bullets at them

[cyan verge]

I find disrupt destiny easier to deal with since they even buffed it this patch

[eternal verge]

and would just ping everything while attacking

[pastel yew]

for real?!?!

[eternal verge]

and it annoyed the fuck out of my allies

[pastel yew]

bro it was already so stackewd

[orchid nova]

something like IAG or recon las can't help but get atleast 1 headshot every 3s

[pastel yew]

why are they buffing already good psyker stuff waaa

[cyan verge]

disrupt destiny now prioritizes enemies close to you or close together I believe

[orchid nova]

There's no penalty to missing

[cyan verge]

something like that

basically they made it more consistent

[pastel yew]

ah thats not a major buff then

[orchid nova]

Frankly they should take a chainsaw to it

[pastel yew]

I didnt think it was bad before

your stacks last so long

[cyan verge]

yeah

it's not exactly a problem

[pastel yew]

maybe this means the other modifier is usable now though

[cyan verge]

but it means it's just easier

[pastel yew]

as the short duration stacks were dogshit

[cyan verge]

since it won't mark like a gunner way over there in cover

it'll mark the poxburster next to you or something I guess

Marking is now more predictable. At a fixed interval of time, the closest target to the player within line of sight will be marked. If a marked target is killed, the closest target to the killed enemy within line of sight of the player will be marked.

here

so it basically tries to feed disrupt destiny targets to you

[eternal verge]

just got bestiary pox hound (5) I should go work for the atf

[pastel yew]

I will say an unfortunate thing with this keystone is that half of it is bait though

wait

the orange one should be X

and the top right orange

camouflauge is awful

tunnel vision okay and even then only because of the stamina

not usually worth a point I'd say

[cyan verge]

idk I just think it's junk

I honestly don't know how much more damage, +75% finesse strength is

[pastel yew]

an extra 112.5% finesse strength at max stacks

its pretty good

[cyan verge]

112.5% is only if you take the extra stacks talent

which, is another point

[pastel yew]

though mostly just on automatic weapons as they have high firerate to maintain and crit chains

[cyan verge]

yeah

[pastel yew]

yeah but spending 1 point on your keystone is basically the usualy

[cyan verge]

I can imagine it would only really even be good on like

[pastel yew]

usual*

[cyan verge]

the IAG

[pastel yew]

no ones taking just focus target

WS Is probably the only one I'd take with no supporting nodes

[eternal verge]

because of my points I’ll only be able to afford one upgrade for focus target

is the 8 max stacks one the best one

[cyan verge]

um

[pastel yew]

recon lasguns too

[cyan verge]

redirect fire is probably better

[pastel yew]

weapon specialist is always better, but not every build has the points to go all the way down the primarily melee tree to get it

[cyan verge]

oh

[pastel yew]

whereas marksmans focus is cheap

[cyan verge]

yeah

yes it is

that's true

[pastel yew]

for two talent points you could do a lot worse

[eternal verge]

Vets tree is very weird

[cyan verge]

I guess if you were taking a very specific build

[pastel yew]

mhm

[cyan verge]

yes you could do marksman's with a recon or an IAG

and like exe maybe

[eternal verge]

anyway female loose cannon is the best voice in the game

[pastel yew]

yee

[cyan verge]

but I dunno

[pastel yew]

fem loose cannon is real good but there are lots of good voicelines

[cyan verge]

that'd be a 'for fun' build and not something I take to havoc cuz I need VoC

[agile mango]

why is dum-dum better than deathspitter?

[pastel yew]

the beloved female psyker voice is pretty good

I use that, she's called

brenda

[eternal verge]

I just love the female loose cannon cause she’s so real

[placid portal]

dum dum builds faster and stacks on any range iirc

[eternal verge]

can’t remember the code names

[tough tiger]

That voice sounds like sienna

[agile mango]

ty

[pastel yew]

because deathspitter requires you to kill things

[eternal verge]

FUGGN RIVENPX- WHATEVER KILL THAT DAMN FLAMER

sees mutant
hello big un!

[strange oxide]

does anyone here use the vraks infantry autogun on higher difficulties?

[cyan verge]

yes the Vraks V autogun is the best one

[pastel yew]

nah close range as well

within 12m

[cyan verge]

by 'higher difficulties' yes, damnation, yes auric, don't bring to havoc

[pastel yew]

but you build dumdum instantly

[strange oxide]

which blessings are best on it?

[cyan verge]

check the guide

[pastel yew]

ideally you run both though I think anyway? for many autoguns

[placid portal]

doesn't it build stacks when you hit enemeis regardless of range but only apply power buff when in range?

[agile mango]

why? Is plasma that much better in havoc?

[strange oxide]

and what melee is best with it? I'm imagining something with ap

oh ok

[pastel yew]

that'd be so silly if so

[tough tiger]

Uh yes?

[cyan verge]

well, I think plasma is okay, but a lot of people take laspistol or I think recon

[pastel yew]

but fatshark coding so

[placid portal]

I remember it stacking dum dum on any range

[tough tiger]

Plasma is insanely ammo efficient

[agile mango]

I haven't played in a few months since I've been at college. did Plasma get buffed? I hear everyone glazing it

[cyan verge]

the problem is autoguns are terrible in havoc because their ttk is bad, breakpoints are bad, and their ammo efficiency is not good, in a mode where you NEED ammo efficiently

yes, the plasma is good, it's very good in fact

[pastel yew]

hmmm hmmm it does say it gives you damage on repeated hits

so maybe you're right

[tough tiger]

Plasma wasnt buffed

[eternal verge]

havoc is the anti-fun difficulty which forces you into things far more than others

is what I’m getting

[cyan verge]

also

[eternal verge]

haven’t tried it yet though

[tough tiger]

It's just that good

[pastel yew]

I cant imagine the plasma maintains ammo efficiency into havoc though

[cyan verge]

'close range' for dumdum is uh, it counts out to pretty far

[pastel yew]

isnt it just good because it maintains some of its one shot breakpoints?

where other weapons drop

[cyan verge]

someone said yesterday I think dumdum counts as 'close range' out to like 12, 15m or something

[tough tiger]

How about u use melee more than plasma

[cyan verge]

which is further than coherency

[tough tiger]

Only use plasma for elite hordes or funnels

[pastel yew]

I'm not saying its a bad pick, I''m just saying its not gonna be ammo efficient

[placid portal]

Sly Marbo Vet build on Havok

[pastel yew]

I havent played high hav yet

[agile mango]

w/plasma should I bring combat knife or dueling sword?

[tough tiger]

I am saying it is ammo efficient

Reminder that it has 100 cleave

[cyan verge]

duelling sword

[pastel yew]

the only positive thing I've heard about the plasmagun in havoc though, is that it can one tap flamers

[tough tiger]

It shoots thru the entire horde

[serene bough]

just dont miss weakspots

[agile mango]

thx

reckon desperado is worth it?

[placid portal]

I kinda wish Bulwark Shields are destructable

[cyan verge]

yeah that is one of the cool things about it, plasma's crazy cleave

[tough tiger]

Yeah this is all i need to hear

[pastel yew]

is horde clear that bad in havoc?

[cyan verge]

no, uncanny + precognition

[cyan verge]

yes

horde gets a massive multiplier to uh, what is it, density or something

[placid portal]

Basic fodder weight increased to make it harder to cleave

[cyan verge]

yes

that

[pastel yew]

sounds like a really bad way to balance it

[cyan verge]

so basically, you're not cutting through those dudes just fore free

[pastel yew]

woof thats no joke

[serene bough]

i dont take any of these

[cyan verge]

it's NUTS

[pastel yew]

the 15 stacks ones okay

[agile mango]

the desperado passive in the perk tree gives +25% finesse though. Paired with uncanny + precog, wouldn't that make the DS way better than it already is?

[serene bough]

sub nodes for MF are doodoo

[pastel yew]

its literally just... more

but yeah the other nodes are pretty bad

or just outright bait

[placid portal]

10% rending at 10 stack

[cyan verge]

oh

OH

[pastel yew]

yee

[cyan verge]

you meant desperado, the TALENT

[serene bough]

i havent extensively tested every weapon but idk any weapon that benefits from 10 vs 15 stacks

[cyan verge]

for some reason, I thought you meant 'desperado' the BLESSING

[pastel yew]

any automatic weapon

[agile mango]

yes lol.

[cyan verge]

which isn't even on the duelling sword

[placid portal]

wait desperado is a blessing?

[pastel yew]

but nothing that's going to be breakpoint reliant

[cyan verge]

yeah you can take desperado sure why not

[placid portal]

It's for Las Pistol iirc?

[agile mango]

I didn't know there was desperado blessing lol

[pastel yew]

I think the plasmagun? gets better breakpoints with the 15

[cyan verge]

it's on pistols mostly I think

[somber axle]

Desperado is melee crit and finesse

[placid portal]

Think it was las pistol/shredder pistol

[pastel yew]

but thats only if you're not taking ping

which is always better

[somber axle]

Very good to have

[agile mango]

reckon its worth dropping competetive urge for?

[placid portal]

Devil Claw + Crits = Dead enemies

[cyan verge]

...

do not use competitive urge

[eternal verge]

THE PSYKERS GONE KARKIN MAD I LOOVE IT

I love loose cannon

[cyan verge]

alright where'd you get this build

what weapon are you running again, is this plasma

[pastel yew]

tbf I dont think competitive urge is bad right?

it just competes with bring it down which is

way better

[agile mango]

isn't it good? +20% damage is a lot no?

[cyan verge]

use the tree on the left here for your plasma gun / duelling sword in havoc

[pastel yew]

+20% damage =/= +20% total damage

[agile mango]

it came to me in a dream. real talk Im trying to retool an old build I ad from months ago

[pastel yew]

so it depends

[agile mango]

What?

[placid portal]

it triggers when you don't expect it and dont when you need it

[cyan verge]

path of exile moment

[pastel yew]

most damage calculations have +damage being +base damage

if you have a gun that deals 100 damage

it will add 20

[tough tiger]

@somber axle hello, is it suicidal to use a dclaw in havoc

[pastel yew]

but if you have 6 other buffs adding damage

it doesnt apply to those

its always a flat 20

[cyan verge]

yes

[agile mango]

this makes way more sense, ty

[pastel yew]

npnp

[cyan verge]

don't bring the dclaw to havoc

[placid portal]

time to use it

[cyan verge]

you won't be able to even dent horde, and you won't be killing any specials

your team doesn't need that

by the way - in havoc if you fail the host loses an attempt

[somber axle]

Probably. I haven't personally used it but Dclaw suffers immensely vs Flak and Moebian 21st is like all Flak

[tough tiger]

Its joever

[cyan verge]

so havoc is not a good place, to have a fun crazy time trying your dumb BS

[pastel yew]

even their head location?

[tough tiger]

No u dummy

[cyan verge]

their heads, should count as unarmored but hey

[somber axle]

Yeah some of the Moebian 21st do spawn in with Flak helmets

[tough tiger]

Head is unarmored

[cyan verge]

wow that's interesting

[pastel yew]

I'm being told some conflicting info here

[cyan verge]

that makes sense but

[somber axle]

Idk if that's just visual though

[cyan verge]

yeah

[tough tiger]

Ive never seen helmet moebian 21st horde enemy

[cyan verge]

I feel like I may have

[tough tiger]

I just see a sea of baldies

[somber axle]

Lemme see if I can find a pic

[cyan verge]

that's my extremely rigid evidence

[pastel yew]

wonder how good the heavy sword is

[cyan verge]

"I think I may have one time seen it"

[placid portal]

or signs of balding

[pastel yew]

I guess it relies on a bm like effect though so perhaps not good

[cyan verge]

idk the problem with havoc, particularly high havoc

[placid portal]

I think GW is going somewhere

[cyan verge]

you never want to be meleeing the horde

you want the psyker with inferno staff to kill all of them for you

[placid portal]

Bald == Evil

[cyan verge]

so what is your melee for? killing elites

which melee does this best?

[pastel yew]

man high havoc sounds

so fuckin lame

[tiny summit]

Its definitely a game mode of time

[cyan verge]

combat knife, DS IV, combat axe(?), maybe power sword if you have a las pistol for mobility

that's it

[sick sluice]

its just a different way to play really, it may be tedious but its different

idk thats my view

[placid portal]

Spam Smokes, smoking is now legal

[cyan verge]

smokes are genuinely good now yeah

[pastel yew]

I just hope they dont start balancing the game around hav40 as then everything else would be fucked

[cyan verge]

I doubt they will

at worst they might add an extra like 10-20 levels

[pastel yew]

though of course my concern is probably over nothing as fatshark dont balance the game anyway

[placid portal]

I find it very nice on HISTG aurics too

[sick sluice]

never crossed my mind, dont speak it into existance

[pastel yew]

they throw darts at a dartboard and make changes

[cyan verge]

maybe, maybe, have not seen em used, have not used em

but sure why not

[placid portal]

Smoke gets more value the more hecktic the missions goes

You can make a killzone to force only melee

[tiny summit]

It is. Its optional and good on them trying out new ways to push challenge. Though like running Orthus Offensive, its a novelty to me

[cyan verge]

the thing is though in particular with havoc, it's because

[pastel yew]

they just feel really unneccesary tbh

they could stand to be a lot bigger

[cyan verge]

in havoc you get vaporized by gunners, so

you want smokes to nullify that

but in aurics, right

it is dangerous, yes

[pastel yew]

but as is they dont really provide much in regular modes that a frag grenade wouldnt do better

[cyan verge]

but like you can often tank some gunner shots

and get away fine

[green willow]

YEEEEEEEEES

[cyan verge]

gratz

[placid portal]

nice

[pastel yew]

woop

[tough tiger]

Smoke sounds great until you realize that shredder frags will kill the entire horde

[placid portal]

Funny I got it without realising it when i playede

[pastel yew]

if thats the melee penance I was

[cyan verge]

so yeah smokes have some value but it's really in havoc that they shine because you need cover, it is mandatory

and yes of course shredders butcher entire hordes and specials and everything

[pastel yew]

so close to getting it when I did the ammo accuracy one... I took 1 point of fucking damage to a bruiser or something stupidf

[tiny summit]

I just wish the game stopped running like ass for me.

[pastel yew]

guh

[green willow]

I DID THAT WITH THIS BUILD

[cyan verge]

make sure to run any upscaling solution, disable lense quality, screen space reflections and motion blur and bloom

[green willow]

the drip is too glorious......

[pastel yew]

game devs constantly having motion blur enabled by default even though it makes your game run worse and looks like shit

same with depth of field

[cyan verge]

DoF is fucking awful in any FPS

[green willow]

i even turn of antialiasing lolll

[tiny summit]

I did. Even downed everything. The game took an absolute shit in performance like 5 months ago after an update. Ive even repasted my cpu and gpu in that time

[cyan verge]

don't get me wrong yes it looks pretty and cinematic but bitch I need to SEE WITH MY EYES

[pastel yew]

you dont like having your game simulate what its like to be shortsighted?

[agile mango]

is plasma the only good ranged weapon for auric?

[pastel yew]

no like

[cyan verge]

"is that an enemy or just a blurry mess, I can't tell"

[pastel yew]

pretty much every ranged weapon the vet has is good in auric

[somber axle]

I looked a bit and didn't see helmet variants appearing in any vids so I saw so I probably just accidentally gaslit myself from the original Infected Moebian 21st event picture LOL

[placid portal]

any weapon that can stack DoT fast is good imo

[agile mango]

havoc rather

[cyan verge]

ah um well

there are SOME qualifiers to that

[somber axle]

Most of them look bald in the vids/pics I see of in game matches with them

[pastel yew]

las pistol, hellbore, etc are good I think

[placid portal]

Heckbore?

[pastel yew]

mandatory curse of bald upon ye and your mates

you cant be in the nurgy crew with that cut

[placid portal]

Fancy hearing anyone using heckbore in Havok

[cyan verge]

shotguns not good, autoguns not good, shredder pistol not good, uh, the las weapons all have some value though only a couple marks hit the right breakpoints I THINK... and I don't know if the bolt weapons are good either

but I dunno

[placid portal]

Shatter impact + Puncture Boltgun

[pastel yew]

bolt pistol prob pretty good

[cyan verge]

you'd have to be pretty bold to use the helbore in havoc but it is a las weapon so the ammo efficiency shouldn't be terrible

[pastel yew]

with the nade shit

[agile mango]

why helbore? I figured reconw would be great with shocktrooper

[cyan verge]

oh and yeah the main thing is vet should be nading a lot

[pastel yew]

the helbores are one of the few literal infinite ammo weapons in the game

[cyan verge]

shredder meta

[pastel yew]

recon isnt as ammo efficient really

still good though from what I've heard

[cyan verge]

no but infantry las

[placid portal]

Demo team is no longer suggestion now?

[cyan verge]

infantry las VII is strong in havoc

and laspistol too

[placid portal]

what is mk7?

[cyan verge]

demo team is great in havoc

[pastel yew]

demo tteam is fine?

[agile mango]

how?

[placid portal]

Demo team was good no?

[placid portal]

Surgical

[tiny summit]

Trusty lucius. Nothing beats that.

[agile mango]

ahh

[pastel yew]

surgical and storm trooper yeah

[somber axle]

I could never be Nurgle. I love my hair

[cyan verge]

demo team is good but demolition stockpile is better

if you could take both then go ahead

why not

[tiny summit]

Pretty much surgical and shocktrooper is a warp staff for vets

[pastel yew]

I think demo team gives as much as demo stockpile on average if you're in 100% coherency all game but

[cyan verge]

the helbore is a las weapon

[pastel yew]

its gonna get less, and its not consistent

[cyan verge]

shoot enemy, get crit, lol lmao

yes exactly

that's why stockpile is better

[tiny summit]

Yea but I feel so good when I drop 2 shredders on a mixed horde and get 2 back

[pastel yew]

lottery build

I love twinned blast

[tiny summit]

I only bother with stockpile when Im going VoC

[pastel yew]

I cant live without stockpile

its so much value

[tiny summit]

Twinned smokes best build

[somber axle]

Laspistol, Recon and Infantry Lasgun are all solid Havoc choices in higher ranks because of Ghost on Laspistol/Infantry Las and Infernus on Recon/Laspistol. Ghost helps immensely for clearing crowds of shooters, gunners and Reapers safely. Infernus helps when pox hardened condition decides to make your breakpoints awful

Shock Trooper also makes them very ammo efficient and since there's a -75% ammo from pick ups iirc you really want to make your shots stretch more