veteran-class

[pastel yew]

that is a very good gun

it will feel and likely perform functionally identically ;p

[paper trellis]

my neurotic need to optimize demands it

[vital wren]

Yeah it's probably better than my 60 charge 80 etc. too, and already gold 500

[pastel yew]

yeah I got that though would rather my stats look pretty

solid 10s

at least that's a little more common than exact stat %

thats some masochistic levels of grind

[vital wren]

Not much else to spend the dockets on anyway, I have either a perfect or close to it weapon of all other sorts.

Just by checking the shop regularly

A couple have the wrong dump stats but I'll swap em out as I find new ones.

[cyan verge]

why not run the DS IV?

[paper trellis]

same exact grind tbf. any distribution has the same likelihood

[hollow ibex]

Psyker handles horde clear?

[pastel yew]

there are more combinations of clean 10s than exact stat though

given usually a weapon has 2-4 80 stats then a few whatevers

[crisp oak]

Shredder autopistol, any funny way to use

[paper trellis]

it's all pulling from the same pool tho. if they were generated separately that would be true
or my brain is fizzling out. The zealot chat kinda hard rebooted my brain a few mins ago

[pastel yew]

I mean I'd imagine its higher chance given you could have like 80 80 80 70 70 or 80 80 70 80 70 or 80 80 70 70 80

etc

clean stats could land on any of the less useful stats is my point

whereas there is only exactly one combination for perfect

[paper trellis]

oh that's what you mean. I thought you meant a specific combo of them. Yeah thats far more likely

[pastel yew]

mhm

I'd also rather have something like that than a gun with like 69^ for a stat

... ugly.. unclean... not round

[tall torrent]

Flame / shield horde clear

[cyan verge]

yeah inferno staff is

absurd

just let the psyker deal with it it has DOTs so it deletes everything, it's like flamer but free

bro doesn't even need 100% of the ammo drops to sometimes use it

on everything but havoc the fact it's free is like oh well whatever I guess it means the vet has an even easier time managing ammo for the inevitable recon lasgun he's using but on havoc it's a whole other thing

actually funny thing, I used to think smite was godly, and the CC on that is nice, but unless it's like a crusher horde or something, then just inferno that shit lol they even get suppressed if it wasn't enough it's already murdering them

[pastel yew]

excess rending gets stacked into something else right?

same with excess crit

is it just flat damage

or am I misremembering

wait holy shit infiltrate has a base cooldown of 45 seconds... not 30

I didnt remember that

[rustic kite]

Sniper build? Both infiltrate and bon infiltrate is welcome.
And you may be asking "Why do you want to play a sniper in a horde shooter. Something thats objectively less effective and harder to play than a normal gunner due to the nature of horde shooters and the sheer chaos."
I's speckial :D

[pastel yew]

think its called the graia vigilant autogun now but that guns super fun, fits a sniper role

[bitter turtle]

it is still a damage increase

[pastel yew]

lasguns fit, plasma gun, bolt pistol though that doesnt really fit aesthetically...

[bitter turtle]

only a 1/4th of the value

[pastel yew]

so 10% extra rending converts to 2.5% damage

[bitter turtle]

so 30% rending when you have 90% rending is 105% damage

[pastel yew]

mhm mhm

[bitter turtle]

cus 10% to 100%

then 20/4 for the rest

[pastel yew]

yee

the conversions p shit but I guess its better than nothing

I guess if you're able to stack both over 100 you might get some noticeable boost

reddit takes made me sad yesterday

someone asked what the worst weapons in the game were

and the vigilant autoguns were mentioned consistently along side the shredder auto pistol...

heart breaking

[brazen steppe]

Which chain-axe has the light attacks that revs up the axe?

[pastel yew]

the mk3 I guess

since the mk12 does it on the heavies, never really used the other mk though

sticking on light attacks sounds pretty horrible though

[pastel yew]

mk 4 even

yup the mk 4 just tested god thats so gross it feels so much worse than the mk12

[rare raven]

Been doing some work with Veteran as a third class. I know shout is generally considered the best ult and swap the best keystone, at the moment, but I’m trying out alternative builds and playstyles.

[pastel yew]

disrupt destiny, the psyker keystone is probably tied with it imo

but yeah weapon spec is real good

[rustic kite]

Ew autoguns real mean use Lasguns says the fodder infantry

[pastel yew]

although its called an autogun

it is not an

automatic gun

they used to be called headhunters, but then fatshark changed the name for ... reasons?

[austere mica]

GW probs

[pastel yew]

but the single tap "vigilant" autogun is dope

[pastel yew]

yeah that'd probably fit

[vernal trench]

Do u main vet?

[rustic kite]

Whats the sight?

[pastel yew]

since there's no mechanical meaning to any of the names

[pastel yew]

I cant remember, I use the weapon customization mod anyway

so any sight I want

[cyan verge]

pretty sure irons

lol

[rustic kite]

Ps moment

[pastel yew]

rip if console player

[cyan verge]

every gun has fuckin irons

or just a post

there's no sniper rifle

the vigilant autoguns are basically DMRs at best

[rustic kite]

Nuh uh

[cyan verge]

yes the infantry lasguns have reflex sights

[pastel yew]

the STC for the picatinny rail based attachments has been lost time... not the rail itself though, they must assume its holy ornementation.

[rustic kite]

[pastel yew]

so many guns have irons though its gross

[cyan verge]

those however, are like so smooth and flat they probably had to because

there'd be nothing on top

just a flat plate

[pastel yew]

I also hate the base ilasgun sight

the laspistol sight but the like... wide? variant is so much better

[vernal trench]

Its fine for me tbh idk if my crosshair mod is there or not tho

[pastel yew]

I have no idea what weapon its from originally if at all

[pastel yew]

stylistically super cool just, I find it much harder to see things its so busy

[rustic kite]

I prefer the lasgun sight over the iron sights

[vernal trench]

Yea i mean i can still see thru it but im not sure if i fot a mod changing it or i just got so used to it

Hellbore lasgun has a good sight

Why i used it for so long i think

[pastel yew]

arent those just different variations of rails

I remember one of them maybe being okay but

like I said I dont really use base optics

[pastel yew]

then you'll be using a lot of the lasgun... and not a lot of anything else

a lot of marksman weapons have no optic in this game

[vernal trench]

Yea hellbore is different from infantry

Hellbore is way better

Maybe with a crosshair mod its better idk

[vernal trench]

Especially for havoc

[cyan verge]

yeah I know what you mean the infantry las is the like. peaked-window shaped thing and the laspistol has a square-shaped reflex with like squared-off edges

me personally I don't mind ironsights so long as they're GOOD

[vernal trench]

Xray sight

[cyan verge]

I think this is the recon and I think these are great, or good at least

[vernal trench]

Looks good enpugh to me

[cyan verge]

by comparison the helbore

[vernal trench]

I got a crosshair mod it helps like crazy

[cyan verge]

feat. scuffed first-person LOD models

like wtf is going on here the rail is dissolving or something

[vernal trench]

Yea

[bitter turtle]

YES

er caps

[fading yarrow]

35 Havoc assists to go

[vernal trench]

Wanna go for true survivor tmr?

[crisp oak]

Whoever likes the rashad a lot, I get it

shredder pistol I get less

[bitter turtle]

sure i can help

if im not busy whenever you do it

[vernal trench]

Sick

I mean i got it but in a stupid way so i wanna get it again

[bitter turtle]

o

[vernal trench]

Do u got any good players

Cuz even if we dont down if the others down then oh well

I wanna do it on 40 as well not 35

I got someone that can host 40 i think

[bitter turtle]

i cant host 40

yeah

fs cheated me

as for other players

not really

ive been pugging

[vernal trench]

What happen

Mine is on 28 so yea hopefully my friend will be on and can play

[bitter turtle]

dfid 40 last week

i never hosted a single game

so i was 16

week updates

im 23

lol

[vernal trench]

Tf

Thats weird

Ull get 40 next week

Me too im just gonna let it reset to 40

[pastel yew]

wait what... is that how that works

that doesnt make any sense

though I got kicked from 16 down to 3 for not playing so

I dont think the system is really working as intended

[trim steppe]

I started at 16 and played 2 havocs as assists, a 24 and a 1. Now I'm rank 24

[vernal trench]

Yea i hosted 16 to 17 but did 28 so now im 28

[rich tapir]

Whats the best MK for the combat axe and how do I want to set it up? Is there one that is arguably the best?

[vague charm]

found this on a quick search from the builds website. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bcd44a6-6a8c-48b6-b439-7dde7d9c3e6b/varangian-guard-krak-grenade-voice-of-command-weapon-specialist-auric-ready

[rich tapir]

I was seeing a lot of rashad I just wasnt sure the consensus

[terse idol]

Imo you do want Carapace

Instead of Flak

[sick sluice]

ive seen a lot too actually, will try it when im playing vet again

[terse idol]

Rashad imo is one of the best generalist weapons in the game

But you do need to build it exactly as is.. and it does take a few talents

[rich tapir]

Carapace and what else then?

Whats the optimal build then?

[terse idol]

Carapace Unarmoured

[rich tapir]

sounds good thanks

[terse idol]

BM, Hheadtaker

Yuhh

[vague charm]

How does the braced autogun compare to the recon lasgun? I've tried the recon and it just shreds.

[hollow ibex]

not favorably

they're not bad, but recon does almost everything better

[vague charm]

Yeah, I was hesitant to pick it up but after a few games I'm using it across most of my characters

[vernal trench]

Braced autogun is for fun tbh

[livid fractal]

whats a good melee option that can handle maulers/ragers?

[vernal trench]

Dualing sword

Tbh tons

I like ds

[livid fractal]

looking for something a little more slower/rugged feeling

like one of the shovels or axes or smthn

[vernal trench]

Powersword

Good old powersword

[livid fractal]

that is like, exactly the opposite of what im asking for lol

[vernal trench]

Id use it but too slow

[vernal trench]

Its slow and rugged

[livid fractal]

also hows my gal look

[vernal trench]

Looks like a pilot

Lmao

[vague charm]

Whats better for the recon, head hunter or dumb dumb/death spitter?

[steady wolf]

best mastery skin fr

[vernal trench]

Goofy looking dude lmao

[livid fractal]

actually i might just go with sapper shovel

[vernal trench]

I literally just use this half the time

Best commodore outfit

[livid fractal]

which mark of sapper shovel is better? and what blessings/perks

[vernal trench]

Idk ive never used it XD

[steady wolf]

how dare, based him off Sergei Dragunov

[frank ether]

whys that in low LoD lmao

[vernal trench]

Oh man wtf is that

How do i get it

That looks scary

[steady wolf]

I think it's still in zealots shop?

it makes your voice gnarly too

[vernal trench]

U can use it for vet?

[steady wolf]

All 3

not ogryn sadly

[vernal trench]

He looks gnarly af

[elder fiber]

yeah its tragic ogryn can't chew a giant can

[livid fractal]

also is there any way to get Kantrael VII to 1-tap flamers

[steady wolf]

You can preview in shop and listen to voicelines, it sounds super different compared to any other heads

[vernal trench]

Wow

I need to try it

[livid fractal]

heres what im working with rn

wait i just realized my gun is wrong wtf

how does it have 501 cap

[vernal trench]

Decimals

Happens rarely

[vernal trench]

Oh infantry

Infantry lasgun 12 is the best

[livid fractal]

oh is it?

[vernal trench]

Any others is just worse

[vernal trench]

Yea

U wanna use xii

[livid fractal]

thats the slow crispy one

YESSSSS

[vernal trench]

Thats ahat i use

Good for havoc

Survivalist and near infinite ammo

[tall torrent]

Nah

It used to be good

Hasn’t been very good for over a year now

[livid fractal]

what perks and blessings do i want on kant

[vernal trench]

I meant compared to other marks

[cyan verge]

I have NO idea

[tall torrent]

Yea, the other marks are better

[cyan verge]

it just happens like all the time

[vernal trench]

Really

What changed

I mean im using it on havoc it works really well but i havent tried other mk

[cyan verge]

at some point I noticed that after the like first couple minutes of any level, my first-person models all go like max LOD for the rest of the mission

[vernal trench]

mods?

[tall torrent]

Enemy health (back in patch 13) which caused IX to lose a bunch of 1 tap breakpoints

And if you wanted a 2 tap gun, VII is flat out better

[elder fiber]

I'm still mgIA pilled

[tall torrent]

IIb is a bit of an outlier

[cyan verge]

I mean I have mods, tons of them, idk why any of them would do that though

[vernal trench]

Hmm

[tall torrent]

But it mostly comes down to IIb / VII for infantry lasguns now

[vernal trench]

Ill try the other mk

[elder fiber]

Idk why but that name change tilts me more than ciag

[livid fractal]

is it still possible to 1 tap flamers and gunners with either

[vernal trench]

Would it be better for pox hardened skin?

[tall torrent]

IX can, with exe stance, at a specific distance away

[tall torrent]

No, all 3 are ass vs hardened

[vernal trench]

I noticed things are crazy tanky even with xii

Yea but the infinite ammo is nice

Tbh i might bring hellbore for it

Itll hit way harder

Idk

[livid fractal]

im guessing i want flak/maniac

[tall torrent]

Yes

[livid fractal]

i havent used hellbore in ages, i cant stand the slow equip

[livid fractal]

and Headhunter/Ghost?

[tall torrent]

Not much harder in havoc’s context

[vernal trench]

Yea hellbore a bit slow

[tall torrent]

That’s the best one generally yes

Falter has some use cases with VII

[vernal trench]

Xii works fine

Its just slow af on 40 against the damn crouched reapers

those guys are so fucking tanky

Its comical u can dump half a mag to kill one

[livid fractal]

also if i wanna use sapper shovel what should i run on it

[vernal trench]

Idk never used it

[proper jasper]

anyone know why people put bleed on the bolt pistol?

aka BISTOL

[tall torrent]

Don’t bother shooting hardened reapers

[livid fractal]

im guessing take a swing/thrust?

[tall torrent]

They have effectively 12k health vs ranged attacks

[vernal trench]

Na cuz half the time the rest of the teams dealing with other shit

Atleast they get stunned when i shoot them atleast

[hollow ibex]

because it's horrible for breaktpoints without bleed

[vernal trench]

Lmao hardened reapers are funny

[proper jasper]

wym breakpoint?

[hollow ibex]

getting the one-shot against certain types of enemies

2 shots vs. 1 shot is a very big difference

[proper jasper]

ok gotcha

so that lil bleed dmg helps finish off the enemie?

[cyan verge]

no people just put bleed on it because it's very funny, it's funny thing

best talent for your bolt pistol is this one

[tall torrent]

I wish

[cyan verge]

what kind of modifier is that anyway

is that... like it fills 30% of your bar if you kill, specifically, an 'elite'

[bitter turtle]

you might as well

walk up and hit them

it would be faster

than trying to shoot them down with an ilas

[bitter turtle]

actually

it can make good bps without it

just use ||skirmisher||

lol

(i do this)

[tall torrent]

Least copium-infused skirmisher user

[bitter turtle]

honestly

its better than it sounds

you only need 1 stack to hit the bps

and ur like

always sprinting

with run n gun

i swear

it works

(in auric)

like between skirmisher, the guaranteed crit from WS, the run n gun dmg bonus

only one of them need to be active to do the bps

[placid portal]

Been using Bloodletter Chainsword, pretty nice.

Not great vs crushers bc cara dmg modifier vs bleed

But kills ragers in 1 rev light and 3 bleed ticks

Ogryns need heavy rev headshot or 2 light rev body

But is it better to use wrath or Savage Sweep

[elder fiber]

mk4 wants savage, mg13 wants wrath

[placid portal]

I dont know mks, mk4 is the relentless only heavy right?

[elder fiber]

mk4 is diagonal sweeping heavies, mg13 horde clears with lightspam or a specific combo loop if you really want that

[pastel yew]

at least it doesnt take 40 shots to kill dogs anymore

but yeah not sure why the breakpoints are so heavily reliant on it's blessings to barely get over the edge

[placid portal]

Lmao boltgun with 30% damage modifier vs infested because fuck u

[pastel yew]

the enemy type it should be best into as well

like

its insane

[hollow ibex]

dark days

[placid portal]

Apparently in lore boltgun projectile just goes straight through without detonating

So I think FS was going somewhere

[pastel yew]

at least its fixed

though from my understanding they're not "really" armor piercing weapons

they're just p good at it

[placid portal]

Rotting flesh isnt really good at stopping bullets

[pastel yew]

I mean its... magical rotting flesh

oooOOoOooOOh stink powers, praise nurgle

super toughness

meanwhile 1 throwing knife

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-gif-4090446168494834371

[placid portal]

The knife is imbued with Empra Bath Water

[bitter turtle]

savage + bletter

bletter lets you 1rev maulers

main benefit i guess

you can 2rev crushers with bletter

but its still slow as fuck

since anim lock

[placid portal]

Also good at chipping in boss damage

1 heavy rev Weakpoint on boss = 1/3 hp gone

[vital wren]

Ah boltguns, with 0 armor pen in tabletop 40k.

[placid portal]

Doesnt it have like strength 6?

[cyan verge]

ughh

[placid portal]

Rip

[vital wren]

4 for a standard bolter

[placid portal]

Oh mb thats heavy bolter

Ogryn rippa gun strength 6

Ap-1 melee

[cyan verge]

for some reason I always had the impression that bolts tend to be like APHE shells not pure HE so surely they don't have no penetration, like I always figured they've punch through and vaporize anything below like, space marines

[placid portal]

Boltgun is made for pure psychological assault by showing those who resist get turned inside out

[remote sonnet]

It is more SAP than APHE

[hollow ibex]

shit this conversation brought the WT players out of the woodworks

RUN

[cyan verge]

there is an explosive element though for sure though right

so more like SAPHE

[remote sonnet]

Conventional SAP is almost always filled with explosive, unless mentioned otherwise.

[rustic kite]

Should I go deadly accurate & ghost or deadly accurate and infernus on my inf lasgun? Cuttently use the former

[tall torrent]

Headhunter + ghost

[iron marten]

You'll get there

Just keep at it, I believe in you

[rustic kite]

Any particular reason?

[cyan verge]

thanks

[cyan verge]

is that so... then what about SAPHEI

[tall torrent]

Being able to tank 10 gunners without taking damage just from playing normally is huge

[paper trellis]

can i get some opinions on kind of a goofy build? I want all the grenades in it

[cyan verge]

looks funny just don't bring it to havoc

[formal ocean]

Id drop twinned blast and pick up weapon specialist. Aside from that this is as good as a shredder infiltrate build could be

[remote sonnet]

Usually to differentiate the older HEI to the newer projectile, with the main differences being the hardened body to increase the penetration and fragmentation.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1315915070097719306/MVIMG_20240110_184631.jpg?ex=675924e9&is=6757d369&hm=ae11cfea2373f4fe18ad657d62297a4c1d02fbd902ad82f397ace2bf49bfc3a3&

I have one of the 20mm SAP-HEI. It has aluminum tip just like the HEI, but the heavier body mass increases the penetration.

[cyan verge]

oh interesting, okay, that makes sense...

[obtuse elm]

Best grenade for auric?

[cyan verge]

... for vet?

like I dunno, shredders I guess, krak is OK too

maybe smoke if you really want but it's kinda unnecessary on auric

[faint beacon]

Smoke good on havoc
Smoke bad on Auric board

That’s a TLDR

[unborn dove]

is the infantry autogun good enough to try to get a good roll?

[tall torrent]

Grenade spam is veteran meta in havoc lol

[cyan verge]

true...

but at the expense of many other things

like no VoC?

no survivalist?

[tall torrent]

He could have easily taken VoC in that build as well, it’s not a big problem

[cyan verge]

yeah if you're grenading a lot anyway I guess

[fading yarrow]

Yes, specifically the Vraks 5

[bitter turtle]

Honesy

Aside from some meme choices

It's not that far from my havoc build lol

Like just switch to survivalist and drop a few things to get at least precision strikes and you're running a viable build

[stable osprey]

I need help getting the overwatch penance. I have an idea I got from youtube that I read still works in 2024. If anyone is up for it, give me a shout. It's 1:30 here so I'll read your messages in the morning. Night.

[cyan verge]

wtf

what do you mean "hi someone help me anyway byeeee" like this chat doesn't move at 100 messages every 10 minutes

your thing will be scrolled off in moments

especially by me commenting on it

right now

ask again tomorrow when you are actually available

especially since, if I am seeing your message it means I am 'available' at 1:30AM your time

I can't help you, nor will ever be able to help you

I would LOVE to, but

[bitter turtle]

Maybe he's not talking about the penance

[livid fractal]

surgical/deadly on boltpistol yes

[bitter turtle]

Maybe he's just looking for people to play overwatch

[bitter turtle]

No (imo)

[livid fractal]

whats the play

[bitter turtle]

Run n gun + puncture/deadly accurate/lethal explosion

For auric

Idk the havoc meta for bistol

[broken spade]

oh wait pistol

[bitter turtle]

Bistol don't have pinning

[iron marten]

I saw what you deleted...

[broken spade]

i was thinking bolter

[bitter turtle]

You liar

[livid fractal]

why run n gun

[bitter turtle]

The spread tighten will make it extremely accurate hipfire even at long range

Dmg boost during sprint will push it over some breakpoints

[livid fractal]

and what perks

[bitter turtle]

Maniac elite

Also sprinting while shooting is just fun

[livid fractal]

also what blessings on chainsword

[bitter turtle]

Do you want the chainsword

To only kill horde but do it really well

[livid fractal]

im doing a squadleader cosplay

[bitter turtle]

Or do horde well but not as well but can kill maulers

[livid fractal]

maulers

[peak tree]

awww yiss, just got my first character (vet) to 30. That does come kinda quick

[livid fractal]

heres what ive got to start with, leftover from pre crafting

[bitter turtle]

Bloodletter + savage

If u want to switch to pure horde ever

[livid fractal]

and what talents should i run for Bistol/Chainsword? wanting to do commisar cosplay

[bitter turtle]

Rampage + savage

[bitter turtle]

Bistol wants to play wep specialist keystone

Does that sound acceptable to you

For commissar cosplay

[livid fractal]

whas that do

[bitter turtle]

Or do you demand focus target

Boosts your melee after killing with range

Boosts your range after killing with melee

[livid fractal]

ok thats sick

[bitter turtle]

It's for melee focused playstyle

With the gun to shoot down dangerous enemies

Since it gives a guaranteed crit

[wind patio]

You guys think Ghost blessing on lasgun is actually worth it in high Havoc? I've been thinking about trying it.

[bitter turtle]

Any gun with ghost should take it

But i do not think ilas is viable

[obtuse elm]

Is the spearhead bolt gun good for auric and non auric

[livid fractal]

what mods do i want for Weapon Specialist

[bitter turtle]

Any time there is pus hardened modifier you are fucked with ilas

[bitter turtle]

Mods?

You mean the subnodes?

[livid fractal]

Keystone Mods

[bitter turtle]

Ah

Let me link you an idea

And you can tweak it from there

[livid fractal]

ok

[bitter turtle]

You can drop stuff for additional toughness on swap

It's worth it if you swap a LOT

Also idk if you care for the rp value

[livid fractal]

i want my kraks tho

[bitter turtle]

But you can drop something for leave no one behind too

Ok sec

I put smoke bc krak is the most niche grenade now

[livid fractal]

i like the crusher delete button

[bitter turtle]

U give up some dmg vs ogryn and boss

But you have krak now

Also you have the leave no one behind RP value

If you don't care about that

[wind patio]

I do actually like that some modifiers heavily encourage build variety (At least later on.)
Corruption cleanse on the goo modifiers, strong cleave weapons for Mobian 21st, ways to deal with ranged units with pus hardened skin... which, idunno, I feel like that one in particular kinda fucks with things way too much. You get a sniper with it and it's like... he's so tanky and annoying to deal with.

[bitter turtle]

Drop it and take demo team or toughness on swap on keystone

Remember too

That you don't want to reload the bistol

[livid fractal]

huh

[bitter turtle]

Cause wep specialist reloads one bullet every time you swap afrer a melee kill

So u can kill poxwalker swap to gun swap back

Do it a few times and you have a full clip

[livid fractal]

ooh

[bitter turtle]

Even if you're low in your clip

As for the blessings

I mentioned earlier

Lethal explosion offers cc but no damage, might be hard to hit some breakpoints since I'm not recommending you do my meme build for bistol

[livid fractal]

oh which mark of chainsword is better

[bitter turtle]

Deadly accurate makes your single guaranteed crit extremely strong, good to punch off half a crusher hp bar in one shot

Puncture gives reliable 1 shots on dreg gunners and some other enemies

[bitter turtle]

Do you want to spam lights or heavies

[livid fractal]

no idea

[bitter turtle]

Like

Do you wanna do heavy attacks or light ones

What is more natural or feels good to you

[cyan verge]

the best chainsword mk is the Maccabian Mk IV

[bitter turtle]

At least recommend a weapon that isn't the exact opposite of a chs lol

[cyan verge]

ok then the chainaxe mk XII

[bitter turtle]

If you don't know just try both movesets and see what you like more

[cyan verge]

wait do I mean the XII, maybe the mk IV, hm, I can't remember which is the good one

[bitter turtle]

Neither

They are chainaxes

[cyan verge]

better than the chainsword imo

and actually kills something when you rev

[bitter turtle]

Chs has a niche of being the fastest poxwalker weapon

Chain axe has no niche that doesn't outclass it in another weapon

Too many good "delete armor" weapons now

That also don't have chaxes weaknesses

[cyan verge]

if u wanna rev your weapon and delete things I think the chainaxe is the better choice, or, if you don't care about revving then pick anything else

[bitter turtle]

Like sure you can destroy elites and bosses, so can knife, and ds4, and folding shovel (except boss), and rashad, and... etc

[wind patio]

I'm struggling meeting breakpoints on both gunners. If I go unarmed/flak I miss Flak gunners without some distance + max focus stacks with my infantry lasgun.

[bitter turtle]

Might want to ask path since they are experimenting with ilas for havoc recently

[cyan verge]

the ilas VII I think is the way to go

[bitter turtle]

In any case tho it doesn't even matter

He wanted commissar rp

Chaxe =/= commisar

[inland orchid]

as long as they got a 1 handed pistol and a funny cap it counts as a commisar to me

granted idk if bolt pistols count as 1handed

[cyan verge]

I would do power sword + laspistol

[elder fiber]

a commissar would probably shoot you for saying that

[cyan verge]

then you have some mobility to go with, the powersword which can mulch hordes for you while you snipe elites with laspistol

[inland orchid]

most definitely

they dont take disrespect lightly

[prime igloo]

I despise make every shot count

[bitter turtle]

Y

It's not that hard

[placid portal]

Spam shotgun

[bitter turtle]

Just dont be in a lobby with another survivalist vet

Take a revolver or something with low ammo count

[placid portal]

Impossible

[prime igloo]

Every teammate I have steal every kill from me and causes me to miss

[bitter turtle]

Waste every shot right off the bat

[bitter turtle]

Unironically

Run ahead

Off on your own

For a while

It's like heresy diff so it's not a big deal

And waste everything before you come back

[inland orchid]

fingers crossed he doesnt get someone with good mobility or there might be a race

[bitter turtle]

Lol

Close and kill + 5% ms node with infiltrate

Gotta outrun them

Alternatively

You could wait for a boss

And just fire every shot into them

[static panther]

I am trying to get the on overwatch penance

can someone help

[prime igloo]

Which is that one?

[trim steppe]

Goddamn, I met up with a couple random psykers in havoc party finder, we rode through the gates of hell together and advanced from 30 to 35. Haven't had an experience like that since I started the game

Love this patch

[livid fractal]

what perks on c hainsword

[static panther]

finish a malice mission or above without getting damaged with melee

[trim steppe]

find a malice train mission cuz they are really short

take shout and keep your toughness up

if a hit doesnt do hp damage it doesnt kill the penance

[static panther]

alright I'll try

[terse idol]

Take extra time to make every shot count

Don't do snap shots

[trim steppe]

even better do it with a shotgun and just mag dump into hordes. once you're empty just put it away and chop your way to victory

[steady wolf]

same cuz everything ogryn does is so fucking slow

[terse idol]

You can also do it with just

Right clicking the plasma guunn

Lottaa options

I did it with a revolver

[trim steppe]

Yeah I did revolver

[steady wolf]

Just do double barrel on train mission and get it first try ez pz

Genuinely

[prime igloo]

Don’t got a bubble Darrel and armory won’t restock for another 30 min

[trim steppe]

you can buy one at the brunt tab

dont even need to upgrade it since youre just wasting ammo lol

[terse idol]

well

[prime igloo]

I completely forgot that exists

[terse idol]

Yuhh

[prime igloo]

Now all I have to do is wait for the Emperor to bless me with a train mission on the correct level

[cyan verge]

that was this guy's suggestion and it's not bad but keep in mind that rolling steel is kind of hard, you can't rely on your teammates to cover you especially on malice, tons of enemies kinda spawn since it's basically constant hordes, and it ends with a guaranteed boss

[trim steppe]

I'll take you on one if you want

[cyan verge]

a lot of people suggest rolling steel for those types of penances but I dunno, I'd rather speedrun a 'real' mission since they can often be safer since you have more space to move around etc, and if you are stuck with bots only on rolling steel you have to do the power cells yourself AND the hacking yourself... which is not the greatest

killing a captain without taking any chip damage too might be tricky, but I dunno, if you have other people who aren't idiots it might be okay

[trim steppe]

Could be, especially with shout now you can do a longer one and youre less likely to get chipped by some poxxie with gold toughness

[terse idol]

Like I will also say the longer missions also let you do mistakes

[frail skiff]

And the bots are no where near as competent as they were in VT2

[terse idol]

You can miss a few shots and then make them up later

[terse idol]

IIRC

Only because vt2 eventually adopted the "Advanced AI" Mod

Into the regular branch

[cyan verge]

oh, I was talking about on overwatch, as for uhhh

'make every shot count'

you can do that any mission anywhere any time just bring a double barrel and then melee imo

[frail skiff]

We could def use an "Advance AI" mod for DT

[cyan verge]

they will never give us better bots imo and probably shouldn't

[terse idol]

Not for abiiit

[frail skiff]

Hell, if I could out fit the bots to use loadouts of my other characters

[terse idol]

also because the bots are only ever Vets

[cyan verge]

it's overall harmful for the matchmaking multiplayer experience if players are given, a simpler easier time, by just not playing with other people

[cyan verge]

THIS at least kinda sucks

if you are a non-vet then at least one of them will be giving you survivalist, that's nice. but... did they have to ALL be vets?

[frail skiff]

Vets? More like cannon fodder and sudden bursts of clutch ressing you when someoene leaves after all are down

[cyan verge]

maybe their idea is they just want to give you three 'rejects' and the default reject class is veteran apparently

they represent an average reject

without special powers or anything

hence they all look homeless and the very high level ones have, a flak vest

whereas us players are actual pro members of the inquisition

[trim steppe]

Hey technically we're all homeless too, we start the game in a prison cell

[frail skiff]

I need some opinions on something

With the vig auto gun. Would I get more millage out of Marksman's focus or Focus target?

[cyan verge]

true but we're at level 30 basically like hardened operatives

don't use marksman's

ever

it's a fucking baited trap

you're like ooh, elite sniper keystone, but no

fuck it

you don't ever want to be the guy who is crouchwalking around the map going hey guys I need to maintain my stacks please wait for me

[frail skiff]

I was only using it to get the penence which I just finished

[cyan verge]

yeah understandable, of course

everyone gotta do their penances

so yes the answer is focus target

[ivory cradle]

what purpose do smoke grenades provide?

[frail skiff]

Stop shit from shooting at you

[trim steppe]

Feel like Marksman's is ok for like, iLas, and thats about it. But i dont use snipey guns very much

[cyan verge]

smoke grenades disable the special attacks of various specials and also cause ranged units from being able to target you, they can still shoot, but they can't target you

this might sound like who cares on most difficulties but it's quite useful on havoc

[trim steppe]

on high difficulties theres so much shit shooting at you that its good to hide from them. Lower, really no purpose

[frail skiff]

A good counter for when the director suddenly plays:

[cyan verge]

LOL

great card

[ivory cradle]

ohhhh tyty, i thought it stopped shooting from enemies entirely and was confused why is wasn’t working

[trim steppe]

lmao

[cyan verge]

I think forty gunners would give a space marines chapter a run for their money

"BROTHER I AM PINNED HERE"

[frail skiff]

I'll take one rocket run from Retribution lord general, please

[teal canyon]

Braced autogun with all the suppression bonuses goes:
Brrrr

[terse idol]

I thought they just represented like

[teal canyon]

For real tho. Autoguns are fun noob weapon and quite effective

[terse idol]

Them giving you literally Moebian chaff

They are wearing that moebian blue,so they're not rejects, they're all just generic soldier

[frail skiff]

Gunner are god damn scary. THEY MADE IT SO THEY CAN MOVE AND SHOOT AT THE SAME!

[terse idol]

The same one's we see in the cutscenes

that die

😌

[cyan verge]

but hey wear red sometimes

[frail skiff]

Vig autogun is great

[terse idol]

On damnation eh?

Maybe they're like the "best" soldiers

[frail skiff]

I just topped the board in my last game of damnation with the vig

[cyan verge]

this is a guy from sedition

[terse idol]

I'm doing alot of mental gymnastics

So like I gotta get warmed up

The sedition bots are prisoners (That die potentially)

[cyan verge]

rocket run awesome and so OP

[teal canyon]

What are your thoughts on autogun? Do you want to make heretics feel exactly how you feel when gunners shooting you?

[cyan verge]

which one

[terse idol]

As you level up the "bots" are just soldiers they send to help you

But they aren't rejects

[cyan verge]

the braced autogun is OK and the infantry autogun is excellent, the vraks V in particular

they aren't? I just assumed they were since they're clearly not soldiers, they can't be

they're just very very weak rejects

if they were soldiers they'd have a uniform no?

[terse idol]

I assumed otherwise because their uniforms aren't just rejects

They do get like

Blue uniforms on 4

No?

[cyan verge]

they do get flak chest

but you can get that too

[frail skiff]

I think they're just the generic reject and only get flak to reperesent that they have "experience"

[cyan verge]

ye

like you the player get to level 30 and eventually have gear

but they're like stuck at level 10 in damnation

[frail skiff]

I mean, they're only supposed to be placeholder until matchmaking puts another unlocky sod in their place

[cyan verge]

of course

and that's why you want players too

cuz these other rejects are trash

[trim steppe]

They are just resurrect fodder

[frail skiff]

Still nice when everyone goes down and one person leaves and the bot gets someone up to keep the shitshow going

[terse idol]

[cyan verge]

yeah I have actually unintentionally saved games that I knew were doomed by doing that, then rejoined minutes later into the same doomed game where like 1 guy is alive just barely staying alive and I'm like YO DOn'T put me BACK IN THERE

[terse idol]

bleh

It's cheating 😌

[umbral scaffold]

Never happend, bot always died

[cyan verge]

bots can save the day on like heresy and very occasionally damnation if someone goes down to like one rager and some horde

[trim steppe]

I call it not wanting to waste 20 mins when I want to hoard more plasteel. But yeah i dont leave, i just appreciate when someone else does and saves it lol

[umbral scaffold]

I rather die with honor that disconect

[frail skiff]

I've had it happen like 4 or 5 times?

At least 3 were salvagable

[cyan verge]

if I ever bleed out and die because, I dunno I made a mistake or did something dumb, and my team COULD pick me up because there's like 1 poxwalker on me or something, but they don't, I often just ragequit cuz I'm mad and I know they don't have my back

ideally that doesn't happen and I don't make such an embarrassing error that I go down randomly but sometimes stuff happens

[sullen jackal]

i just stay

because it is fascinating to watch these people and how they still exist

[cyan verge]

I find it too frustrating and I start getting REALLY salty

[sullen jackal]

protip: if you don't shoot your gun(to suppress enemies) or kill them, enemies won't aggro on you(as much)

[umbral scaffold]

You must be a woman

[sullen jackal]

...what.

[umbral scaffold]

Not u

[frail skiff]

I try to pick up folks when I can, but sometime I have to deal with:

[terse idol]

[sullen jackal]

their pronouns are flan/flan, i don't think flan's a woman :p

[umbral scaffold]

I don't think flan is a gender but whatever you say

[cyan verge]

what is a flan? a miserable little pile of custard

🍮

[umbral scaffold]

Ragers are more manageable than 5 crushers tho

[frail skiff]

Tell that to the zealot who charged in without a care in the world

And still died for no reason

[umbral scaffold]

That's me

[sullen jackal]

yeah uh try an infantry autogun vs ragers

[cyan verge]

yeah of course and I totally get that it's just

[sullen jackal]

that kills everything scary fast with psyker +yes crit chance

[cyan verge]

I have died before just because like, no one is paying attention, like two people walk past me thinking the other is gonna pick me up lol

[umbral scaffold]

God bless shout veterans

[cyan verge]

the ogryn like oh the zealot will get em, the zealot like oh the ogryn will get em, then they melee horde and realize like oh wait hold on when I die

[umbral scaffold]

Or infultrate veterans

[frail skiff]

Those are the type of people I hope get yeeted off a cliff by a poorly placed barrel

[terse idol]

ciag wiiilll kill ragers

[tough tiger]

nothing beats walking into an overhead meant for someone else

[umbral scaffold]

Or dodging into it

[frail skiff]

Was dealing with 5 crushers and had that happen

[umbral scaffold]

Takes 5 bussines days to land that overhead

[sullen jackal]

also crushers immediately become everyone's problem the moment they appear. like snipers, or gunners

or shotgunners

or specialists!

[frail skiff]

Anything you can mark!

[cyan verge]

it got lost in the mail and ended up in canada but it arrived eventually

[sullen jackal]

yes ragers too :3

[cyan verge]

yeah if I see crusher I stab him in face

[frail skiff]

MK VI Power Sword go poke

[umbral scaffold]

If i see crusher i spamming granades

[cyan verge]

true

[umbral scaffold]

Ez life with plasma and bolter, no crushers can ruin the day

[cyan verge]

honestly though I just use DSIV so I stab

[frail skiff]

I just wish I didn't lose charge if a gentle breeze caresses my face

[cyan verge]

yeah one thing I only figured out after trying to do weapon combos is, I think that is actually universal? I'm not sure

if you get hit while in the middle of a combo it like drops?

[sullen jackal]

veteran powersword?

[frail skiff]

Yeah

[cyan verge]

is there another one?

name one other power sword

[frail skiff]

The 2H one for zealot

[cyan verge]

relic blade

[umbral scaffold]

The none for ogryn

[frail skiff]

It still has the same mechanic

[sullen jackal]

if it's like the psyker force sword, you count as blocking I think during the special, and you can cancel it into block to keep the charge while still blocking

which lets you push enemies away before swinging

[cyan verge]

lets please not make things horribly confusing by calling the relic blade also the power sword

[terse idol]

Yeah

Folks have been doing that

Relic blade

2h psword

1h psword

[umbral scaffold]

Relic sword

[frail skiff]

Aaaaaaanyway

[sullen jackal]

also usually yes. You are basically placed into another animation state, where cancelling out of it into an attack is not possible. And then once the stagger is over, you are back in the 'neutral' weapon state(technically the 'wield' state off memory)

[cyan verge]

it's genuinely impressive they held back and didn't call the eviscerator, just the chainsword or something

that would have been fun

'do you mean the assault chainsword or the chainsword'

[cyan verge]

yeah I thought so, so it's not just a power sword thing it's just. a melee combat thing

it seemed weird until I learned this

[umbral scaffold]

Codename for eviscerator is ultimate heretic purger

[cyan verge]

because if you play darktide like most normal people you just kinda spam the heavies or the lights in whatever general way you wanna do it

[frail skiff]

Time for a non sequitur

We need helguns

[cyan verge]

helguns would be sweet

but

I don't know how they would balance them

[frail skiff]

Heat mechanic?

[cyan verge]

the only way I see it happening is they become like the third in the trifecta of, plasma gun (heavy) boltgun (medium) helgun (light) in terms of, being unwieldy, large, but destructive

[terse idol]

I was honestly thinking the helgun would have like a fully automatic mode when you don't aim

[umbral scaffold]

Make them jam

[terse idol]

And a powerful semi-automatic shot when you do aim

[frail skiff]

You mean like the new heavy stubber...?

[terse idol]

HMM

But faster

When you fully auto it

[cyan verge]

the heavy stubber is cool and somewhat effective but I dunno if it's really that good

[terse idol]

It does give Ogryn like a long-range option finally

[cyan verge]

the main problem is it's just too slow no matter which one you pick, not just to like fire but to deploy/use in general

[terse idol]

That isn't rock

[cyan verge]

yes, it's nice that it is a sniper rifle

[frail skiff]

Speaking of...

long-las when?

[umbral scaffold]

I would rather have flamethrower on vet

[frail skiff]

What perks would synergize with that?

[umbral scaffold]

Something that will burn

[frail skiff]

My bad

I meant talents

[umbral scaffold]

Shouty with weap spec

[terse idol]

none

[frail skiff]

I mean, you become shouty lite with FtE

[umbral scaffold]

I wanna be ultimate shouty force

[frail skiff]

I'll take one hot-shot volley gun, please

[cyan verge]

is longlas in game files

[frail skiff]

Likely since that is what the sniper uses

[cyan verge]

oh, yeah true

it's just a shame like if it is a proper sniper weapon they probably don't wanna use it

[analog mural]

hotshot I think is unlikely because of the backpack requirement and it would fill the same role as the recons

[umbral scaffold]

Anyway i have 0 clue how could be even possible to play with longlas as a sniper when there's always some random asshole who will hit you from nowhere or run straight through 3 allies just to smack YOU and where hordes are spawning from every single side

[cyan verge]

it really would wouldn't it, in many ways, but I kinda picture it basically being a small twin-linked stubber

yeah it's funny how enemy AI target acquisition works

it feels very random, the game does seem to have a concept of 'threat' if like low-profile is anything to go by, but, how much of a concept...?

[frail skiff]

Hot-Shot Marksman rifle at home

[cyan verge]

it feels sometimes when you do really well that a lot of specials will start to focus on you, but

I dunno

I do know that it's crazy to see things like maulers just stomp on past you in groups if they are REALLY focused on some other player

because they often will

[umbral scaffold]

On the other day they ignore you complitely while you annihilating dozens of their friends

[cyan verge]

I would really love to know how enemies target players since it's not intuitive at all

[umbral scaffold]

And on other day they obliterating you while you being the least effective of whole team

[cyan verge]

I think it has been said enemies will prioritize the last player who damaged them but, not always

maybe there's some sort of a cooldown to it, like on bosses

but bosses even still sometimes feel like they are kind of just randomly swapping at times, like I didn't do anything to this guy but he wants to eat me

[placid portal]

I thought bosses usually target the player that dealt most damage in set period time

[sullen jackal]

Okay. You have threat points, from 0 to 20. A player already targeted adds 10 effective points to this.

[cyan verge]

what

wait is this a known thing

I have never heard anyone talk about it

[umbral scaffold]

I wonder how confused would burgle be if he was going to eat squad of full infiltrate veterans with that -90% threat

[placid portal]

I only know enemy slots

[sullen jackal]

When you kill an enemy with ranged damage, you add a certain number of threat points to this. When you suppress an enemy(again with ranged damage), you add double the points you would get from killing them.

[placid portal]

Not so much I would assume

[sullen jackal]

These decay over time at a... unknown amount tbh my brain zonked out trying to make sense of that bit of the code.

This is likely why people (incorrectly) believe that Ogryn has some sort of innate taunt-like ability or gets targeted more often. Their guns are just REALLY LOUD and do A TON of suppression, so they can max their threat out very fast by shooting.

[frail skiff]

I think in that case the closes vet would get targeted

cause 90% isn't 100%

[umbral scaffold]

But they would keep dissapearing

Just puff

And vet gone

Suddenly appear on other side of a map

[frail skiff]

If you all use infiltrate at the same time then the they won't move until someone comes out of stealth

[umbral scaffold]

Lmao

Bully heretics with infiltrate

[placid portal]

That is kinda innately taunt trait because we are loudest and strongest

[sullen jackal]

This doesn't like... change spawns or anything? This just determines who they try to target, and how they move. equal threat might be random off memory

[frail skiff]

I have the same reaction when I bring the Brauto gun

[sullen jackal]

also, some enemies have special code. For example, mutants apparently try and move through the left or right lanes, and target the closest(but farthest away from the main lane) target there?

[cyan verge]

oh that is interesting

[frail skiff]

What gun are scab gunners using?

[sullen jackal]

There's basically three lanes: Main, left, and right. Main is probably where the main horde is coming from. Left and right tend to be for specialists and stuff. This is not really a firm definiton, and could change instantly in a dight.

[cyan verge]

yeah I have noted specific behaviour in at least hounds and trappers, they seem to spawn more frequently or on demand if a player is lagging behind or is separated in some capacity and then they specifically aim for that loner and try to jump/trap them

I know cuz I often lag behind just to vacuum up missed plasteel/diamantine (HAPPENS ALL THE TIME) and then I have to deal with one trapper or hound

[sullen jackal]

probably means optimal squad formation is to have one person focusing on the front, two people focusing on each of the two side lanes, while the fourth person takes over for someone if they're temporarily indisposed like reloading

[frail skiff]

Can confirm, I occasion hang back in the back line a littles away sniping and I'll hear a trapper running up behind me

[umbral scaffold]

Hot shot volley gun

[frail skiff]

That's dreg

[cyan verge]

the DREGS have what looks like an M60 or something so it's a belt-fed stubber of some generic variety

[sullen jackal]

ok so that is probably 'tension' which is very complicated and player damage/deaths/some other things matter for that.

[cyan verge]

oh... I see I see

[sullen jackal]

This 'tension' seems to set the budget for units the director can spawn, and it tries to fill this budget at all times, based on havoc behavior.

[cyan verge]

I assumed tension is like how other games do it where, yeah

[frail skiff]

Did I mix them up?

[somber adder]

This is a mechanic, yea. And the only redeeming thing about loner is that it stops this behaviour

[sullen jackal]

(as some havoc modifiers can, say, set the spawn of a certain unit to 1 or more even at minimum tension)

[cyan verge]

helldivers 2 has the same sort of spawn thing where it fills basically tension over time and doing things fills it faster and when it's full it's like how much the AI can spawn at a time, or something like that

[sullen jackal]

helldivers 2 is different. ...although it might have some similarities hmm.

Helldivers 2 has three AI directors/groups.

[cyan verge]

my bad I had them mixed up too

dregs and scabs

the names are too damn similar and basically mean the same thing

[cyan verge]

wow, that's amazing

I would imagine like

one is for patrols?

[sullen jackal]

Group 1: Local forces. These are bots/bugs at locations and hives, only replenishing if the location has a spawner.

[cyan verge]

and the other two are...?

[sullen jackal]

Group 2: i uh. forgot actually. there might only be 2 iunno it's late ok

[frail skiff]

Patrols most likely

[sullen jackal]

oh right

it is patrols. Group 3 is dropships! which is seperate I think. (or bug breaches)

ANYWAY

[umbral scaffold]

Fuck them dropships

[frail skiff]

I wish vet could have a heavy stubber

Just something without a magazine

[cyan verge]

yeah if not hotshot then having a big belt-fed stubber would be sweet

[umbral scaffold]

Do u know how much weapons i wish we had? And can't

[sullen jackal]

They furthermore have squad AIs. Squad AI basically takes over when they're not 'engaged in combat', aka they don't see the enemy. This mostly makes them move in formation and not scatter too much. I do know darktide DOES have these squad AIs, you can see them in infested hordes where they can move almost mechanically so when they're far enough away from a player before they explode like a clown car when they see you.

[umbral scaffold]

Same as weapon customizstion without mods, can't

[frail skiff]

Let's see. Meltagun

[cyan verge]

yeah I have seen a COUPLE times, there are squads and formation movement

there's only a couple places where they can seemingly even spawn

[sullen jackal]

Dropships and local spawns are fairly fixed with either triggers at the start of t he game or a breach/dropship event(with a timer after a successful activation).

[cyan verge]

I saw one in rolling steel earlier I think, they were walking like horizontal across the train so it wasn't too useful I'd imagine...

[terse idol]

For zealot 😌

[sullen jackal]

Patrol AI on the other hand. There is a timer that's something like 2 minutes long by default, and a patrol will spawn every time this timer ticks down.

[cyan verge]

and there's one that almost always spawns on... that one hourglass mission with the little town, I forget the name

[frail skiff]

Shhhh, *infiltrates away with meltagun*

[cyan verge]

there's always a long line of patrolling heretic specials in the middle of the town

you get a free chance to frag bomb them

[sullen jackal]

This is applied to every 'group' of helldivers on the battlefield. A group is defined as all the helldivers that can be defined by a circle of a certain radius.

[cyan verge]

yeah

patrol AI at least...

[sullen jackal]

The timer goes down if there are more helldivers in a squad, which doesn't fully compensate for there only being one patrol for potentially 4 helldivers.

[frail skiff]

I'm still miffed a little that vet didn't get something for this update

[sullen jackal]

it also goes down when you complete stuff on the map, and goes down a LOT once the extraction shuttle is called.

[cyan verge]

I was following the 'development' of discoveries for that during the early month or so of helldivers 2 launch and yeah it sounds scuffed

[frail skiff]

I know they said we'll get one later

[cyan verge]

yeah that's the big thing

you can't like call extract early unless you want to feel the pain

[umbral scaffold]

Am i in darktide group at all?

[terse idol]

Iirc some of it was changed

[sullen jackal]

However, this means that if every helldiver is off on their own, you get four seperate patrol spawn timers, so you get like... double the enemies?

[cyan verge]

wait really

[frail skiff]

Darkdivertide 2

[cyan verge]

I didn't know that

[terse idol]

But at least in some regard you want to always be nearby your other helldivers

[umbral scaffold]

Darkdivers

[sullen jackal]

yeah, this is also why early in the game history you had instances of enemies spawning right on top of you

[frail skiff]

Tidedivers

[terse idol]

Considering it seems like the further away you are from your squad radius from one another the patrol director will send another patrol for you

[umbral scaffold]

Helltidedivers

[frail skiff]

The ultimate 40k Subnotica crossover

[terse idol]

Seemingly its always maybe better to be together in a blob

[sullen jackal]

basically someone elses patrol timer popped, and so you had the entire group spawned on top of your head because you were standing on the ring their patrol spawner spawned enemies in.

[terse idol]

Rather than be far enough away to spawn 4 patrols

[umbral scaffold]

Imma go away and will come back once this be darktide group again

[terse idol]

Unless you're super super far away from one another

[frail skiff]

Can we... get back on topic?

[sullen jackal]

patrol squad AI is also simple. They spawn in that outside ring. They move to the location you were at when they spawned. And then if they didn't find you they move back out to despawn.

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/laser-destroy-heresy-purge-buttom-gif-17565647

[sullen jackal]

ANYWAY. Darktide spawns AFAIK are different? They basically spawn 'events' that consist of several different enemy squads, between low, medium and high off memory.

also there's trickle and horde spawn cadences

which is obvious in how they differ

[frail skiff]

And if you piss the director off enough you get this:

https://packaged-media.redd.it/d4hnn194765e1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1733810400&s=4223ae269928620fae67979a86c646b94aae923f&x-auth-token=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsImtpZCI6InNPQ1JhUkNOTkZnL3Y3NkFRWVdYUkJhYWJ4QT0iLCJ0eXAiOiJKV1QifQ.eyJjYyI6IlVTIiwiY3IiOiIiLCJleHAiOjE3MzM4MTQxMTAsImp0aSI6IiIsInJpZCI6InQzXzFoN3Y0YmQiLCJzdWIiOiJ0Ml8xNWxlbjQiLCJ1cmwiOiJkNGhubjE5NDc2NWUxIn0.P_N2MEXc6vijmcAneeLDmgUA_LsUdG_9Wp30QnJbSJk

[sullen jackal]

so you're chilling, and the director is like OH SHIT TIME FOR SOME NEW ENEMIES

[regal belfry]

i think the director is broken on obliette

[sullen jackal]

so they roll for how difficult it might be, and then draw a card, and then ooops the card they drew for this encounter is EIGHT FUCKING RAGERS

[umbral scaffold]

No veteran

[terse idol]

Honestly not bad lmao

[frail skiff]

This isn't me, this is something I found on reddit

[sullen jackal]

i find the gunner hate especially funny because I'm pretty sure fatshark added those encounters on purpose c:

[frail skiff]

Cause I am the veteran

[sullen jackal]

the rage gives me power

[umbral scaffold]

Still, good vet would pop them

[terse idol]

They're still

Playing havoc to be fair

Or it seems

[tropic stratus]

is the shock maul any good

[terse idol]

1 vet with ilas 7

And ghost

[frail skiff]

It will keep a rager from surprise tickling you

[sullen jackal]

this is less the directors fault. More you literally staring at a bunch of gunners and freaking out, before the shield dropped and. yeah. you died after knewing what was going on for more than ten seconds why did you do this

go to cover

[terse idol]

Certainly one of the situations where you actually want a vet with smoke

[frail skiff]

I repeat, not me

[sullen jackal]

just please. go to cover. fuck even crouch behind the metal picket fences

[umbral scaffold]

SMOKE EM

[wicked epoch]

Or

voc and fucking book it with a power sword

[umbral scaffold]

At a distance of 20 meters?

[frail skiff]

I think you will still get cut down before you get 10 ft

[sullen jackal]

this is even controlled by the director. There is a specific limit on how many attacks can be launched at once at you, with a brief cooldown once this attack limit is reached.

[wicked epoch]

nah, i’d win

[frail skiff]

Now if you want some funny shit. Take an autogun with stripped down and Duck and Dive talent

[terse idol]

Doesn't this just change on havoc

[sullen jackal]

so like... even a ludicrous spawn of 10,000 gunners will not instantly kill you

[terse idol]

With the shooter modifier or does it still work the same

[sullen jackal]

kinda but I don't think it removes them entirely

[swift river]

Guys help me out, I suddenly for the life of me can't remember if it's a talent or blessing that's like... First 20% or something of your magazine has critical chance after reloading

[terse idol]

Cause it only takes 1 reaper on havoc

[regal belfry]

calls for res , but nobody came

[terse idol]

[wicked epoch]

always ready talent

[sullen jackal]

talent, left side, off memory might be right above executioner's stance

[wicked epoch]

weapon specialist keystone

[cyan verge]

yo really

[terse idol]

Gonna roll it back

Melee works like that

[wicked epoch]

wait no

[frail skiff]

Opening Salvo

[wicked epoch]

i was thinking about the melee one

[terse idol]

Dunno if shooters work like that

[wicked epoch]

i am fucking stupid

[sullen jackal]

ya, this works on disablers too, you'll notice other dogs derping about after one pounces on you for a second or two

[terse idol]

Weird

I gotta check this out

[cyan verge]

you bet I noticed that, it somewhat helps with hound condition but uhhh yeah

[terse idol]

The video must have been literally max

[cyan verge]

I think don't use that maybe

[sullen jackal]

Melee uses the slot system which is different. Ranged(and disablers) basically have an attack limit which resets every so often.