veteran-class

[tall torrent]

both boost frag dmg & bleed DOT

[quiet valley]

Honestly tho, the mobility of Laspistol X outshines any other las weapon for me

[tall torrent]

it's same as mk2 laspistol tho?

[quiet valley]

You really gotta be on your feet for 40

[tall torrent]

idk I think 2 is still much better than 10

[quiet valley]

No way

X has better base crit

[tall torrent]

what

base crit chance?

or crit finesse scaling

cuz they're both +15% crit chance by default

[quiet valley]

When firing multiple shots it has better crit I swear

[tall torrent]

nah

both are +15% base

[quiet valley]

Either way, it’s a way better choice for Deadshot

I have the crit chance mod, and it’s buggy sometimes but, I get better crit on X than II

[tall torrent]

the +15% base only shows up when firing

if u reload and not shoot it'll display ur class base

but they are the same crit chance

[quiet valley]

Even so then, deadshot

You can’t, or rather shouldn’t deadshot the II

[hollow ibex]

deadshot laspistol 🤔

[tall torrent]

I don't play deadshot so mk2 is like

miles ahead of the mk10

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[quiet valley]

YOU NEED DEADSHOT

for X

[tall torrent]

ok fair

[quiet valley]

I’m 1-2 shotting most specials/elite gunners on 40

[tall torrent]

I just don't play deadshot most if not all the time

[quiet valley]

Mauler like a 3-4 body shot

Las pistol flak modifier is crazy compared to inf las or recon las

[tall torrent]

yea that ik

[quiet valley]

Also has way better boss dmg than both

For Unyielding

[tall torrent]

I'm running flak + maniac for mk10

do I need unyielding on it or

[quiet valley]

Flak Unyielding for me

Maniac doesn’t really have the same impact as unyielding for me

Gunners/Reapers = Flak Unyielding

[hollow ibex]

i think unyielding is pretty good now these days

[queen fox]

I still think heavy inf las should have a higher carapace modifier, so the 3 non-rock classes share a ranged weapon that can kill crushers

[quiet valley]

Inf las just needs surgical imo

[queen fox]

Unyielding stock skyrocketed ever since havoc missions have 5+ bosses

[hollow ibex]

ehhhh

[quiet valley]

Has no reason to kill Carapace

[umbral scaffold]

Wait how did i go from Havoc 2 to 9? Because i completed a Havoc 9 when i started on some random dude?

[hollow ibex]

prob

[blissful meadow]

hi guys

how to be a pro veteran

[quiet valley]

Honestly Reapers worse than boss spawns

[blissful meadow]

i am newbie

[queen fox]

Actually real

Both suck tho

[clever hedge]

Grab las gun, shoot heritics run voice of command with toughness upgrade

[cyan verge]

omg wtf

[queen fox]

So the human sized bosses that spawn, are they unyielding or flak or what?

[cyan verge]

I like

[quiet valley]

Flak

[queen fox]

Specifically their heads

Ok

[quiet valley]

I just DS poke

[clever hedge]

Grab a las gun and stay with the team

[blissful meadow]

ok

[cyan verge]

opened the havoc menu then spammed esc because I saw I got a random penance then it skipped the 'you got a cache' thing and then I can't bring it back to see what I just got

wtf did I just get????

[quiet valley]

They don’t really pose any threat

[blissful meadow]

i am using bolt gun

is it good

[stuck gorge]

what rank were you

[quiet valley]

Just kite

[clever hedge]

Rest comes with practice and deep dives

[hollow ibex]

hope you have a screen recorder like gamebar or steam recordings on lol

[cyan verge]

I do actually

thanks for reminding me

[umbral scaffold]

Havoc is so easy on the lower diffs

[cyan verge]

wait wtf what do you mean

[clever hedge]

It slaps, good big bad damage

[paper trellis]

kinda surprised by how spicy laspistol is

[hollow ibex]

F...

[stuck gorge]

still what rank were you onhavoc

because this was 35 reward

[blissful meadow]

emperor's confusion

[cyan verge]

wow

[hollow ibex]

is it based on ranks or games completed or both? 🤔

[cyan verge]

well okay

[stuck gorge]

honk mimimi reward

[cyan verge]

it's gonna be based purely on your rank

my highest rank was 24

[blissful meadow]

what is havoc

[cyan verge]

so I guess it was probably not the worst

[blissful meadow]

i am level 21

[stuck gorge]

havoc is after you reach lvl 30

[cyan verge]

are you really just opening a random chat and saying yo what's havoc

[clever hedge]

Level 30 locked scaling difficulty missions with more modifiers

[blissful meadow]

hmmmm

game hard diff 3 already

why go higher than 5

[cyan verge]

don't play havoc then

[blissful meadow]

thanks

[clever hedge]

Ya save it for after you get comfortable with auric difficulty

[blissful meadow]

ok boss

[clever hedge]

The thrill and better loot

[cyan verge]

yeah I think I got probably about 3400 diamantine and about 9-10k plasteel

because I had about 3k of each

[blissful meadow]

can i have plasteel

[quiet valley]

meh

[blissful meadow]

gift me plasteel guys

[pastel yew]

honestly worth

for 1 game a week

I guess I'm gonna have to commit to the grind

[quiet valley]

I sleep, back to POE 2

[terse axle]

Besides the dockets

[hollow ibex]

diamantine is ass to grind

[clever hedge]

Plassteel is easy. Keep an eye out heritc shrines and sacrifice uneeded blue weapon rewards

[hollow ibex]

so this is actually really good

[pastel yew]

yeah now you mention the dockets are so low wtf

thats like 1 game

maybe its because you can get dockets as a reward from havoc?

but you dont really get the others...

[quiet valley]

I just realized my havoc weekly is more than your account stash 💀

[cyan verge]

yes it is

[blissful meadow]

pro gamer

[hollow ibex]

the ordo docket curio meta remains strong 💪

[pastel yew]

literally all my resources except diamantine at 0

[clever hedge]

Be sure to save crafting materials till post level 30. Difficulty 3 you don't yet need meta loadouts

[blissful meadow]

oh no... i have used it all

[clever hedge]

It's ok no time like the present to start saving

[quiet valley]

What are you guys even doing with your mats

[cyan verge]

making perfect weapons

[blissful meadow]

i am hungry

[quiet valley]

It’s like 5-10 pulls for a god roll, and then it’s deterministic now

[clever hedge]

Ya but we looking for perfect roles

[vital wren]

Is Cranial Corruption basically the thing from the recent event?

[quiet valley]

It’s like ~150k for a prefect roll if your luck is below average

[clever hedge]

Not good

[faint beacon]

holy fuck they need to change the ordo amount

that is pathetic

[quiet valley]

Yeah but they don’t get 1 shot on headshots now

[faint beacon]

LMAO

[quiet valley]

Yeah the ordo amount is super sad

I can see the diamanté for new players tho

Plasteel grows on trees nowadays so

[cyan verge]

if your fucking team picks it up

and doesn't just run past it for some reason

[quiet valley]

I mean you get it from everything now

[cyan verge]

... was that not previously the case????

[quiet valley]

Idols, skulls etc

[cyan verge]

I joined like two weeks ago so I don't know shit

[quiet valley]

Idols = free 200 every match before pickups

[cyan verge]

true

I rarely find all of them though, I usually find like 2-3 but sometimes it's the end of the mission and I'm like damn I only found 1

[narrow frost]

when was vet chat PoE 2 scabs

[cyan verge]

never

go away POE2

[quiet valley]

No

[balmy flume]

An intense grind Sunday, but.
Finally.
Now at 44/50 for the Penances for the Havoc Drips.

[quiet valley]

This is POE 2 chat now

[balmy flume]

(Already got the lvl 30 pants)

[quiet valley]

Isn’t it 25

[cyan verge]

the level 25 pants

[balmy flume]

Oh right yes

Lvl 25 sorry.

[narrow frost]

25

[cyan verge]

dude's clearing so much havoc he can't keep track of his pants

[serene bough]

nice

[balmy flume]

Gonna push for 45 then sleep.
The other 5 can be spread onto Monday and Tuesday nights.
(Trying to clear them this week before I fly for holidays)

[cyan verge]

oh god I just looked at my mission I don't wanna do fuckin gloriana

at least no pus skin

[quiet valley]

Just get carried to 40

Every assist can host now

[cyan verge]

yeah true, I mean I could but ima settle for 25 for now

I just want the pants

[ocean moat]

[cyan verge]

you know - the pants

[balmy flume]

Not the chest or the helmet?

[cyan verge]

already have both

[balmy flume]

…you and I have opposite approaches XD

I got the pants first by assisting,

[ocean moat]

how the hell do you have chest and helm before pants

ive done like 10 assignments but alr have pants

[cyan verge]

I just played a lot with babies so games went fast

[balmy flume]

Yea I grind low level Havocs too for the penances

[cyan verge]

and I wanted to do that early because I did not want to get past week 1 where everyone's gonna now be queueing like their level 25-40 games and it's gonna be harder to get assists

also lot of theorycrafting here but has anyone posted like a havoc tree to work with lasgun since I don't have one

I guess I am just doing this with shredders apparently

wait wtf this has longshot

wtf is this build

[paper trellis]

i have one that has been doing decently

[cyan verge]

thanks

[paper trellis]

i have an alt version that is more about keeping team alive, but this one is a very solid all rounder

[umbral scaffold]

What's your opinion on this?

Ignore the schock trooper

[thorny gorge]

Shocktroop S++ tier

What kind of weapon

Cuz vet can get away without keystones

Reciprocity is needed if trying to maximize shock troop

I haven't played havoc yet so i cant speak on survivalist

But it is not needed in aurics

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma and Power sword

I accidently pressed on schock trooper. I don't use it

I forgot what the last perk i use was

[thorny gorge]

Then yea looks good

[alpine scaffold]

Evenin' Vets! For the higher level Havoc runners, what is the best curios combo to roll with?

[umbral scaffold]

I tried dueling sword a lot but i didn't like it. So i switched to Power sword and i love it

I don't mind charging it up

[paper trellis]

finally figured out a helbore setup that doesn't make me want to drink paint thinner

[umbral scaffold]

is the heavy laspistol worth using anymore?

[paper trellis]

i was fiddling about with it earlier, seems like it's solid

[umbral scaffold]

is the high damage variant the better option? I havent used a laspistol since the changes

[thorn lark]

That's a way to empty jails...

[hollow ibex]

always has been

[cyan verge]

the laspistol is godly

[umbral scaffold]

which mark tho

[paper trellis]

the rapid fire seemed to have a little bit more dps, but they are fairly close from what I can tell

[cyan verge]

mk 2 is better imo

[pseudo fiber]

my havoc 40 ain't that bad

warren, cranial, 21st

[umbral scaffold]

Kinda wish the bolt stuff had marks

[cyan verge]

already down 2 losses on this

[hollow ibex]

mk2 is the one that's typically used, outside of niche scenarios

[hollow ibex]

i hate that map lol

the first half of it just blows

[cyan verge]

it's a completely toxic map

[umbral scaffold]

Would be nice to have a bolt gun like the one the Sisters of battle use that's more controllable and has more ammo

[cyan verge]

and the objectives being RNG at the end

might be 'better' for 'replayability' but it means randoms never have an idea what to do

so fortunately I'm not cut up about it, I guess I'l just take the L and lose

hopefully it generates a different map for me when I get back to 24

[thorn lark]

The chord is excellent against hordenif you build it right (Crit + cleave) oO

[paper trellis]

are you just popping in the party finder to get randos for havok?

[cyan verge]

yes I am

[umbral scaffold]

I don't like playing with people on calls tbh cause most of them who are good at the game are not fun to talk to or take it too seriously

"I was top of the leaderboard"

Shut the fuck up, we made it, that's what matters

It's a team game

[cyan verge]

I don't even have leaderboard

don't want it

[umbral scaffold]

I'd like to see it but only for my own performance and out of curiosity

Like in Helldivers

I like to see how many i killed etc.

[cyan verge]

oh like right at the start of the mission I headshotted a rager and it knocked me off to my death

good start

and our zealot is already below 1 wound in corruption

how did you do that buddy

[steady wolf]

need scoreboard just to know how little the PS players are doing

[cyan verge]

aaaand he's dead

[paper trellis]

what are some angel names, i named my vet and zealot after gabriel and michael respectively, but i can't think of any for my female psyker

[umbral scaffold]

Celestine?

[paper trellis]

oh that's a good one

thank you

[umbral scaffold]

You can also look on the female saints in 40K

[paper trellis]

looking over them atm, Celestine is prob my favorite name among them

[tough tiger]

You know, if these people took their lives seriously instead of a video game, they'd prolly be in a much better spot mentally and financially

[unborn perch]

You got kicked because you didn’t bring Voice of Command. But go ahead play whatever you want

[umbral scaffold]

Some of them have their lives in an okay state. It's more of a matter of personality than finances and etc. trust me

[unborn perch]

[umbral scaffold]

In the end doing the mission matters

Just do that

Laugh a bit

End

[paper trellis]

it's handy to see where you can improve, but i wouldn't get too worked up about it

[umbral scaffold]

Just show me how many people i killed

Am I actually good and my mates trash or am i delusional?

[serene bough]

ok after playing around i still like IIb las the most for havoc 40

yay me

[vernal sundial]

thinking about getting rid of scoreboard
i feel like im a pretty decent player and know where i struggle/need to improve
and i find myself constantly checking it and feeling like dead weight or like im shit at the game when the numbers are lower than my teammates, even when in reality im still doing good and just overthinking it

[pallid jetty]

sometimes i better watch back when my temmates deal with the front

(always because every dipshit i play with never watches back)

[vital wren]

So shredder autopistol is the last weapon I haven't mastered...

[pallid jetty]

and thus i get less dmg and kills

[cyan verge]

it was, very true

[idle swallow]

i played enough vt2 to know i'm better off without green circle brainrot

[cyan verge]

if I do bad I don't need to know about that
if my team is being carried solely by me, I don't need to know it

[trim steppe]

Hey these rewards are pretty good tbh. 9500 plasteel is pretty solid for just a havoc 24

Way better than melkbucks

Anyone know what the lvl 40 people got?

[cyan verge]

at least one was posted earlier

[vital wren]

👆 here it is

[trim steppe]

DAMN thats nice

Definitely gonna push havoc this week, those rewards are tasty. Last week I played like 2 havoc missions total lol

[vital wren]

Same, just got in a couple to check it out.

[cyan verge]

I think I need to do somethin about my curios for havoc

I have 2 toughness 1 hp

just doesn't feel good enough

[vital wren]

That's what I use pre-havoc too

Sometimes swapping for a stamina

[cyan verge]

also in using the power sword, it, DOES chop through hordes which my party there needed quite a few times but

[trim steppe]

I can't play without at least 1 stamina curio now. It's just so nice having so much more to sprint, block, revive, etc

[cyan verge]

I am so slow with the power sword, like wow

[trim steppe]

My pre-havoc was always 1hp, 1 toughness, 1 stam

[vital wren]

I used the Rashad which seemed fine but I was in low level Havoc only

So it would be nbd

[cyan verge]

I am at 24

[trim steppe]

I used Rashad for my havoc 24 and it did just fine

[vital wren]

yeah you are feeling the pinch I am sure

[cyan verge]

I am sure the rashad is good too yeah

my alt pick would have been DS but uh yeah

[serene bough]

i do 2 toughness 1 stam

sometimes 3 toughness

[cyan verge]

I used to do 3 toughness for just like normal missions but

it felt like if my toughness ever broke I vaporized

[trim steppe]

The power sword always feels like a ball and chain on my ankle. But goddamn does it do murder

[serene bough]

you would, which is why you do your best to never let it drop

[cyan verge]

true

[serene bough]

i was sitting at 98hp lol

[tall torrent]

2 health 1 toughness

[trim steppe]

Can I ask you what build you used during your 40?

[serene bough]

i use iib and knife

sec ill link

[cyan verge]

thanks I'll try it... any suggestion for perks

[trim steppe]

Cheers thanks

[tall torrent]

Sprint efficiency, gunner resist, extra toughness, extra dockets, 1 sniper resist

[cyan verge]

extra dockets, wow

[tall torrent]

Although tbh I think u could (?) drop a sniper resist

Yea I still play with dockets

[cyan verge]

bold

[tall torrent]

Too lazy to make a new set of curios

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[cyan verge]

yeah I am gonna have to source a 21% hp I guess

I think

[bitter turtle]

cdr/corruption resist/stam on almost all of them

for me

[tall torrent]

Corruption resist is pretty useful for havoc yea

I was considering using it

[cyan verge]

oh I already have an extra +21% pog

I have a habit of picking up random perfect curios if I see em in shop and it paid off

is it worth going 3x gunner resist, I have been taking 2x

[serene bough]

i tend to lean more towards cdr, block/sprint efficiency, and stam regen

[trim steppe]

I did that for 2 years and now I have like 40 of each on all my characters lol. I just couldn't stop buying them just in case

[serene bough]

but i use ghost so i dont bother thinking about gunner resist

[cyan verge]

yeah I have an itemized spreadsheet of all my weapons on all my characters but I guess I should really do that for curios now too...

[bitter turtle]

i dont like gunner resist for the most part

[frank ether]

is it worth having over just bringing purge zealot

[cyan verge]

ideally you have both

[bitter turtle]

both ais nice

[frank ether]

I dont see why I'd want both but maybe I'm missing something

[serene bough]

there were times where i stood in a goo puddle unknowingly for about a second and lost a wound due to it

[bitter turtle]

you stlil lose hp

[serene bough]

id consider it for the goo modifier but thats about it

[cyan verge]

enemies can deal corruption damage right

so if so

[bitter turtle]

that too

[cyan verge]

then hey take it

[bitter turtle]

but mosstly

you still lose hp eeven if you cleranse

so

[frank ether]

what will you trade away for it though

gunner resist? toughness? stamina?

[bitter turtle]

idk i just dropped sprint eff

lol

and i dont like gunner resist

doesnt work on trash

[cyan verge]

it DOESN'T????

[frank ether]

nop

[tall torrent]

It’s worth having if you don’t have a purity aura zealot

[cyan verge]

no way...

[serene bough]

just gunner elites and reapers

[cyan verge]

that makes me really sad

[trim steppe]

Not even shotgunners either

[cyan verge]

okay well forget that then

[tall torrent]

Gunner resist is only vs gunners & reapers

[frank ether]

I kinda consider it doomed for some modifiers without it, not that its not doable but I dont trust pugs to do it

[cyan verge]

I had assumed it was the most liberal of mods which, is why it was popular but I guess I was totally wrong

okay goodbye gunner resist

like I care about resist to gunners, like just slide 4head

[frank ether]

cutting machinegun fire in half is pretty strong

[trim steppe]

Still only gunner res and sniper res are worth taking, if you're gonna take damage reduction on a curio. The rest are literal garbage

[cyan verge]

yeah

[serene bough]

i generally hold the opinion none of the dmg resists are worth it

[fading yarrow]

1-10 is some pretty intense gameplay

[serene bough]

i know you can survive a shot w/ sniper resist, but you could also just not get shot in the first place by being more alert and taking better positioning

[frank ether]

played a 35

bubble psyker died to 3 bruiser chaff

[cyan verge]

and if you have a bubble then like... the sniper isn't... going to do anything to you anyway

like they don't even shoot

[trim steppe]

Until the reaper pops your bubble and you get vaporized by the sniper that was beading on you lol. But yeah just dodge

[cyan verge]

I might try like 3x cooldown, 1 stamina regen 1 sprint 1 corruption resist 3x toughness

[trim steppe]

You hear the ZWAP and you dodge

[serene bough]

im in love with block efficiency

really helps you get out of a bind when ragers suprise jump you

[trim steppe]

Hmmm

[cyan verge]

I try not to block if I can help it and just dodge but uhhh

power sword is pretty unsafe about that

[blissful meadow]

helbore lasgun is ass

[trim steppe]

I was gonna say I don't really block much but that's a good idea. Moreso than gunner at any rate

[cyan verge]

it is like, maybe B tier imo

[signal garden]

dont block, just poke

[pallid jetty]

uh oh... someone has poopoo aim...

[blissful meadow]

infantry lasgun best weapon

[signal garden]

@serene bough

[cyan verge]

oh bro you're not playing with motion blur on are you?

bro... please no

[blissful meadow]

charging a rifle doesnt feel good

[cyan verge]

some people don't like playing M. bison

[frank ether]

that has either mb or TAA

[signal garden]

i had it turned off but the dumbass game keeps turning it back on

[pallid jetty]

you dont need to do it on every single shooter, y know

[signal garden]

at least after the grim protocols patch

[pallid jetty]

just tap on the heads

[blissful meadow]

motion blur for nerfing your self xd

[trim steppe]

Helbores have always felt like total ass to me even tho I know they are good. Just, not for me

[blissful meadow]

yeah thats why infantry lasgun is better

[frank ether]

if u dont like charging dont use the weapon where its primary feature is charging your shots

[blissful meadow]

higher fire rate

[hollow ibex]

i don't like helbores either

[cyan verge]

I turn all this crap off

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't say ilas is better though

[serene bough]

love me ilas

cant live without it

[frank ether]

the best lasgun is laspistol

[signal garden]

its definitely off my guy]

[pallid jetty]

its not and i wont argue more cause its pointless

[signal garden]

find me another boss shredder, bonus points for brittleness on shot, followed by stabs

[hollow ibex]

you can love ilas and also recognize it needs some help

[blissful meadow]

damn

[cyan verge]

helbore is like, OK it's just... you do literally have increased response time to anything that happens, you can to a degree just always be charging right but that means you can't be sprinting, or sliding(?) so...

[pallid jetty]

what diff is this

[signal garden]

uh, only 19 but still

[blissful meadow]

I was always charging

[pallid jetty]

heresy lmao

[signal garden]

no other weapon shreds the shield

[serene bough]

i actually think the IIb and VII are in a pretty good place

could use a bit more flak dmg

[signal garden]

it does the same on normal damna

[pallid jetty]

bro's showing off with heresy gameplay

[frank ether]

Its not really that bad with talents and ults

dont get me wrong

[serene bough]

the IX has been dying in a ditch and in need of help since, forever

[signal garden]

havoc19 is heresy?

[blissful meadow]

ilas mk 7 best gun

[signal garden]

whens it reach damna

[frank ether]

zarona, plasma, boltpistol etc all superior choices

[cyan verge]

mine isn't fully upgraded but I tried it, OK

[pallid jetty]

20 or 21

[frank ether]

what holds helbore back is they nerfed bayonets

[signal garden]

oh well, it still does great

[frank ether]

its not really a swap gun it doesnt synergize with WS

[blissful meadow]

hey heresy is hard

i only play malice max

[pallid jetty]

yeah i figured already

[frank ether]

hb3 has some broken boss damage

but you'd have to actually land your shots to notice

which can vary wildly in difficulty

[blissful meadow]

i need a 2x on ilas

or 3x scope

any idea

[serene bough]

i like the laspistol but its pretty noticable when its damage falls off at range

[frank ether]

well 2/3 of your dmg come from finesse

[blissful meadow]

i mained las pistol on my lvl 15 psyker it is good

[serene bough]

i swap it out every now and then w/ the IIb

[signal garden]

i think any gun that lets you run away really fast is probably good

[frank ether]

I'd argue most of your urgent targets on laspis are made of paper

so it ends up not mattering much

but it might not age well into havoc with how stupid tanky shit gets

[serene bough]

ive brought it into havoc for pus armor

[frank ether]

honestly for havoc as far as melee goes a lot of stuff seem viable to my eyes

[cyan verge]

it has been said laspistol is good in havoc

[serene bough]

i overall prefer the IIb over laspistol bc of its ammo efficiency

[frank ether]

but its the ranged weapons where I question the point in a lot of weapons

like, why'd I ever bring anything automatic

why bother

[serene bough]

and better at farther ranges

[blissful meadow]

2b best ilas?

[serene bough]

2b and 7 fit different roles, but i think 2b is better when built right

[signal garden]

iirc the slowest shoots too slow for the breakpoints it doesnt hit, the medium one feels the best, and the light one shoots so fast at max fire rate it out recoils its long range use

[frank ether]

wonder how hb3 scales into havocs

I never thought about it

on purely the ammo economy part

but I'm afraid you might just get nuked while trying to charge up a crit

the gunner damage buffs are one thing but there is a chance the shot might not even stagger let alone kill

and at that point the fuck do you even do with a charge up gun

[serene bough]

unless you push breakpoints to 1hko w/ the 7, the 2b can hit largely similar breakpoints

its the one gun I think MF is actually useful for in that regard

[serene bough]

i wanted to experiment w/ helbores but the drawtime put me off to it

[signal garden]

theyve cut it down by alot

[serene bough]

oh did they buff?

[cyan verge]

the draw is NONSENSE

[signal garden]

it used to be full whip out and flick the safety

[cyan verge]

there's NO REASON for it to be like that

it still does that

[signal garden]

now as soon as your character puts their hand on the safety you can ready it

[frank ether]

its technically a bit shorter now if you pick the right talent

[signal garden]

its like .5 sec difference, and alot faster with the weapon swap talent for sure

which is to say, a big freaking difference

[cyan verge]

every other gun in the game is like "ima whip it out" but the helbore is like "scuse me I need to touch all these controls on the side of the gun before it is ready for use"

if you had to do it ONE TIME per mission like okay but wtf is this?

[frank ether]

ofb is the best toughness gen talent you have anyway

[serene bough]

true lol

yeah i've recently fell in love w/ OfB

[frank ether]

you're gonna need that when you take your sweet time popping shooter heads and taking massive chip damage from their salvos

honestly the gunner topic needs a more nuanced take than redditor complaints

there are some aspects where I'd wish some fixes like ranged damage from stuff like far away railings, gaps etc where gunners can shoot accurate salvos

but your bullets will mostly get stuck

[cyan verge]

yeah you know the gapped stairs on chasm logistratum? snipers can take up position and shoot THROUGH the gaps, it's like you can't even see them

it's that bit underneath the train railway

[tall torrent]

Idk if it’s better than CK

[serene bough]

i think theyre both competitive picks

[frank ether]

I very much think so when I run exe. VoC may not feel the need especially in tighter more coordinated groups

speaking for havoc I feel that it helps me when I'm caught in the open with no special/elite in sight

[proper jasper]

anyone know any good non plasma gun build for havocs?

[frank ether]

for zealot you just do a dodge slide and gain like half your toughness bar back anyway lmao

[serene bough]

biggest draw for OfB to me is it applies to shredders

[frank ether]

I think it works on any kill

[serene bough]

yyeah it does

[cyan verge]

yeah that is pretty cool

[serene bough]

but applying to shredders is nutty

as if shredders werent already great

[frank ether]

So the original topic was about helbores and in that regard its huge because hb is a cumbersome weapon

[wicked epoch]

Cadia Stands

[umbral scaffold]

For Cadia!

[serene bough]

helbores can cleave multiple enemies per shot right

[frank ether]

yeah, though how many I forgot

to be honest I havent used them in ages

[wicked epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/not-heresy-gif-24882220

[tall torrent]

hm ok

[frank ether]

tbh there are other ways of filling that need

I think some of the ranged weapon toughness blessings are quite viable

the one on boltgun.. was it inspiring barrage I think?

its pretty good for that playstyle and its needs

[radiant chasm]

You mean gloryhunter?

[tall torrent]

hmm

I tried it before and it wasn't feeling as powerful as CK

[tall torrent]

yea but havoc isn't gonna have those come into play for the most part

[hollow ibex]

my worst nightmare when running CK is infinite pox hordes without a single specialist or elite

it happens

[frank ether]

I think this largely depends on how much of a big carry do you need to be for your group lol

if everyone does their part it should be ez

[tall torrent]

in that kind of situation u kind just don't take much dmg tho

[hollow ibex]

it's usually when i've already taken a lot of chip damage elsewhere, such as out of LOS bombers

and then i find myself without a good toughness regen source

i guess it's not common, and it's when the team is fucked anyway

[cyan verge]

part of the problem there though like is that in havoc it seems to me increasingly as you go up, don't you just. hit a point where your life is 1 or a 0, not like, oh I'm kind of doing poorly, cuz you die just so fast if you're out of position

[umbral scaffold]

Which hellbore is best

[frank ether]

sorta yes and no, tho it happens

[pallid shoal]

what are best blessings for plasma?

[frank ether]

honestly its just a mode where you can't afford a bad player

more than anything else

it comes down to having teammates that don't just drop dead at the first opportunity

and well, stick somewhat together at key moments

[serene bough]

i do like how it focuses a lot more on team comp

[frank ether]

I actually dont like that aspect

[serene bough]

you cant just 1 man army everything and need to expect others to pull their weight in different areas

[hollow ibex]

sucks playing choir boy 😭

[serene bough]

they get the flamer, its ok

[frank ether]

I think it created somewhat a meta of people running the most OP stuff and declaring anything outside that ''non-viable''

which isnt true

[hollow ibex]

30 seconds worth of ectasy in a 30 minute match 😭

(depending on how much ammo your team lets you take)

[serene bough]

theres actually a lot of moments in 40 where funneling everything through a choke and laying waste with flames is the best strat

[frank ether]

lol it really does

I just said fuck it at some point and started bringing fury

[serene bough]

yeah the meta is less forgiving in that regard

not bringing VoC w/ vet can feel like you're throwing if nobody else is bringing

[frank ether]

also I noticed a trend of people bringing DS and eating shit in melee anyway

[blissful meadow]

what is endgame build

[hollow ibex]

proof that DS must be buffed

[frank ether]

Please, no more

[tall torrent]

the worst thing abt it so far is pus hardened skin

[frank ether]

yeah someone at fatshark has an obsession with making enemies stupid tanky

and also impact resistant while at it

[hollow ibex]

damn didn't know you had a direct like to fatshart balanacing 😮

[tall torrent]

I don`t

I was telling this to a playtester I know

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

if pus was only for non-weakspot hits I think it'd be much more tolerable

[serene bough]

pus hardened is definitely the biggest issue

other modifiers can be managed

[hollow ibex]

i feel like that'd make it negligible though 🤔

[tall torrent]

nah

it'd make more weapons viable for hardened enemies

[hollow ibex]

that's true, but most of the time we're shooting for weakspots already

[tall torrent]

instead of "lmao go play infernus or get fked"

[serene bough]

i dont think the DoT meta is going away any time soon though

[tall torrent]

most people do not have >60% weakspot hit rate on avg

[serene bough]

pus hardened aside the inflated HP pools just make chip damage so much more meaningful

[tall torrent]

it's here to stay because flame weapons are strong here (unconditionally ignore mass)

[frank ether]

a lot of the dots are easy to apply and dont really demand your full attention like precision shooting does

shredder, flamer, anything psykers do

[hollow ibex]

that's true

[frank ether]

you just, look at general vicinity of your target

[serene bough]

yep

[frank ether]

drop your dots

and boom

horde gone

[serene bough]

bleed, flamer/flame staff

armor is nullified

[frank ether]

this isn't punished at all merely resource managed and not even that in psyker's case

[tall torrent]

but I think pus harden is simply too restrictive

[frank ether]

but if I bring a revolver lets say

I need to count my bullets

and get like 3 crit headshots on that single gunner

[stuck gorge]

What if pus hardened simply increased ranged dmg resist at lower hp amounts

[tall torrent]

makes it feel more inconsistent

I think it needs to not apply to ranged weakspot hits

u get headshot, u deal full dmg

[stuck gorge]

I mean it’d let weapons one shot but punishes you the more you take to kill it

[tall torrent]

nah

[frank ether]

what if your weapon doesnt one shot

[tall torrent]

havoc's whole schtick is ur guns don't get to 1 tap things

ngl

the inflated health already achieves that

[serene bough]

reality is there's a clear strategy to win this game mode and it ultimately includes gold toughness, ammo economy, and DoTs, anything that doesn't do these things well will be at a clear disadvantage

[cyan verge]

that would actually be fair

[serene bough]

not saying you don't already know that, just corroborating yourpoint further

[cyan verge]

I mean me personally I'd rather have it outright removed or, they gotta do something to make it stand out from blight because they look the freaking same, but at least if it was just weakspots, like... okay so I shoot him in the head gg

[tall torrent]

I think it's already really funny that the top vet guns for havoc are prob these 3

but pus harden needs to get changed

[serene bough]

at leas tthey need to make it more clear whats blighted vs whats pushardened

[tall torrent]

oh yea that too

[serene bough]

oh wait you just said this

[frank ether]

maybe limit it to melee enemies and bosses

imo thats how I'd go about such modifier

[tall torrent]

I'd be happy as long as pus hardened doesn't apply to weakspots

cuz it'd open up so many options

[hollow ibex]

im seeing a pattern

[frank ether]

must be rough being ogryn though

[cyan verge]

I say a lot of things

[frank ether]

outside of melee you just dont really do shit yknow

[tall torrent]

nah u just shield & taunt
roleplay as mobile bubble/smoke

[frank ether]

I guess you can do shield taunt shittery

but its just like

worse bubble

why not just have bubble if you want a bunker playstyle

[tall torrent]

ogryn is super limited in this mode in terms of what they do well

[cyan verge]

true, ogryn melee is great CC though

[frank ether]

thats all you need

[serene bough]

my first 40 win was with a shieldgyn using bull rush

[tall torrent]

but they're playable

[frank ether]

they are, just not enjoyable

ogryn is already rather niche in terms of what you can do with them (heavy spam, or gun spam)

[hollow ibex]

choir BoP zealot or tauntgryn

[cyan verge]

it is somewhat annoying they tied almost all of ogryn's damage into heavy attacks

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/indecisive-i-dont-know-not-sure-larry-david-gif-5682454

[serene bough]

it truly is a zealot/vet meta

[hollow ibex]

or third option (kms)

[cyan verge]

because I didn't think so when I started, but once I was doing with 5,000 heavy attack kills I had long grown tired of playing it

[serene bough]

psyk is still super effective

[hollow ibex]

psyk can kinda do everything

[frank ether]

psyker is busted

[cyan verge]

yeah, bubble gets eaten really fast sometimes but it helps a LOT

[frank ether]

problem is psykers dont know how to play

[cyan verge]

I want to see more inferno staff please

[serene bough]

but vet/zel both having gold toughness and super potent DoTs

[tall torrent]

psyker meta and we're just living in it

[cyan verge]

and more smite

please use smite I want to progress

[serene bough]

watching a smyker helplessly hold off 30 armored elites in havoc is hilarious

[frank ether]

it really is

[serene bough]

only to be inevitably clobbered

[frank ether]

I had a bubble psyker today that died to the uh

you know how they added like

infected 21st?

3 of those

[serene bough]

poor lad

he tried his best

[cyan verge]

oh no

[serene bough]

psyker does get some really busted damage numbers though i will say

[frank ether]

not my psykers

they just eat shit and die

[serene bough]

seems like youre cursed to babysit the unsanctioned ones

[frank ether]

Its not all bad though

[tall torrent]

Psyker’s kit is just insanely busted

[frank ether]

I did realize

I really enjoy relic blade on havoc

its a bit doodoo when I have to solo a chaos spawn with it

[tall torrent]

It’s a great rager stagger stick

[frank ether]

but other than the weapon is a vibe

its probably never gonna beat a DS but boy does it clang

[cyan verge]

is it actually good in havoc

like does it cleave adequately

[sullen jackal]

not everyone has 100 base toughness :v

[frank ether]

someone should mod the berserk 2016 clang to it

[tall torrent]

U take wrath

[cyan verge]

I am just gonna assume the zealot last game did not take wrath.......

[tall torrent]

Not everyone has ghost built into their talent tree

[sullen jackal]

(also psykers explode themselves frequently.)

[frank ether]

I firmly believe its good to have one for babysitting and zoning purposes

[hollow ibex]

i really hate how martyrdom psyker isn't a thing yet

[cyan verge]

lol

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/allah-gif-9681215804057221762

[tall torrent]

Psyker should get smth where the more corrupted health you have the more damage/TDR u have or smth

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[hollow ibex]

nah they should be an ogryn nuke everytime they blow up

[sullen jackal]

imo crystalline will should at least have 1 wound. Or slow corruption... anti-heal?

(i found out today that corruption is a heal)

[hollow ibex]

imagine if EP was turned into a martyrdom build focused on suicide bombing

i think it's a great idea

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

[sullen jackal]

there is room for more than 3 paths you know.

[cyan verge]

NO WE HAVE TO MAKE IT 3 PATHS PLAYERS WILL GET CONFUSED

[sullen jackal]

Top of the tree has the three 'classes'(likely a holdover from vermintide 2).

[hollow ibex]

no i want to make BB and smite users suffer

[cyan verge]

no more than 3 paths, EVER. ONLY THREE (3)

[sullen jackal]

reported to the inquisitor for obsession with nurgle's holy number.

[hollow ibex]

so that's why i'm sayign EP should be removed and replaced with a gigachad martyrdom keystone

[cyan verge]

so it was, so shall it be, forevermore, in perpetuity. three paths.

[cyan verge]

blam

[tawdry perch]

What is considered the best auto weapon

[serene bough]

yeah i wish they leaned more into the unhinged psyker fantasy more

psykers in books do some crazy things and behave in unhinged ways

[cyan verge]

bitch I am DOING my BEST over here

[sullen jackal]

shredder pistol :v

[cyan verge]

the best infantry autogun, is the vraks V

[tawdry perch]

Man's is ruining me

[somber axle]

I think they're talking about the Moebian 21st who ate so much shit they're now a new modifier against us LMFAO

[cyan verge]

great way to get votekicked

[sullen jackal]

more seriously I've generally seen people favor the recon lasgun a lot, particularly on veteran due to the crit lasgun shots take no ammo talent.

[tall torrent]

[cyan verge]

like 90% of the vets I see are running recon lasgun

[broken spade]

Imagine if crystalline will gave wounds and actually restored your health up to your wound, same way it does when you down and revive
You're low hp and blow up to get health back as a comeback move

[cyan verge]

wtf

it makes psykers explode harder????

[serene bough]

Lethal prox psyker peril explosion meta?

[tall torrent]

[hollow ibex]

that'd be interesting

[tall torrent]

I will not elaborate further

[hollow ibex]

ah that explains the psykers i see in my games

[serene bough]

Recon going from dumpster tier trash to BiS is honestly the greatest redemption story darktide has seen

[somber axle]

Depends on how much you weigh DPS vs versatility but like
Pure damage Vraks Infantry Autogun is the highest but you'll spend more time reloading
Recon Mk XII has a large clip size and with a crit build + Shock Trooper you can end up spraying for days and kill pretty much everything (including Crushers with Onslaught talent)
Recon Mk XIV is also a solid alternative to the XII but you're not going to have good damage vs Carapace (it still does pretty much everything else fine)

[cyan verge]

lol

[tawdry perch]

I love u needed that for a build bro

Gonna go for crit recon as I have it 20 but have another class for autogun I guess

[sullen jackal]

technically the 'best' would be the Mk XII, which is probably what people think of when they think recon lasgun. It's the uh

[tawdry perch]

Gotta get that penance

[sullen jackal]

it's the 20 shots a second one

[tawdry perch]

What about the higher damage slower recon what mark is that again

[sullen jackal]

mk xiv

[somber axle]

the XIV? it's also really good and gets cleave on shots to punch through hordes better

[bitter turtle]

uh wtf

this is weird

isnt our rank supposed to update

at the end of the week

and we can host games now

i cant host 40 still lol

[cyan verge]

... why not

[bitter turtle]

no idea, it says only up to 23

[sullen jackal]

then there's the mk VIc

[somber axle]

the VIc is the odd one out but the fire rate/ammo consumption being middle ground between the XIV and XII means it has fantastic uptime and you can end up doing something silly like spend an entire match shooting and only using something like knife for mobility without being the equivalent ammo drain of an Ogryn Twinstubber spraying wildly and being red/orange

[blissful meadow]

does for the emperor work after infiltrate

or before

[somber axle]

VIc is less damage than both but the disparity isn't as much as it may seem vs most targets

it also can't really hurt Carapace though

[bitter turtle]

i have been convinced

that VIc is prob the best for havoc

i was using 14 though

[tall torrent]

VIc is the best one rn

[somber axle]

against Gunners/Ragers/Shotgunners/Trappers/Snipers/Bombers it still kills amazingly well

[tall torrent]

They buffed shotgunners’ mass

XIV is less useful comparatively

[tawdry perch]

What's the best weapon for the 90 percent accuracy and no ammo penenace?

[somber axle]

is this like Havoc exclusive or

[sullen jackal]

meanwhile XII go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[bitter turtle]

yeah havoc exclusive

[cyan verge]

double-barrel shotgun

[somber axle]

do you mean for Auric Damnation/Maelstroms too

[bitter turtle]

14 cant penetrate in havoc

and 12 eats too much ammo

[tall torrent]

I think in general

[sinful swallow]

Revolver or shotguns

[bitter turtle]

i think 14 is still better in auric but that is just me

[cyan verge]

always fire both barrels, if any one pellet hits, it counts as a hit, so

you can run down your ammo count very quick

[somber axle]

I did vaguely read the patch notes and saw the changes to gunners/shotgunners but didn't notice the hit mass increase

sadness for XIV

[cyan verge]

after it's empty, swap to melee and do not swap back for the entire rest of the mission

[bitter turtle]

its not just that

[cyan verge]

gg penance

[sullen jackal]

anyway. now for AUTOGUUUUUN

[bitter turtle]

everything in havoc has a lot more hitmass

[somber axle]

but on the bright side I love that the VIc is rising

[sullen jackal]

downside: no lasgun talent(it's better for other classes tho)

[bitter turtle]

cant even penetrate groaners apparently

[sinful swallow]

Maulers also got main body type changed which affects dots

[somber axle]

Havoc changes up balance so much I love it

[cyan verge]

did they? I know SCAB ragers have carapace chest now

[sinful swallow]

Or I might be thinking flak ragers

Yeah

[somber axle]

Flak Ragers get Carapace bodies

just torso/chest

[sinful swallow]

Yeah

[somber axle]

Flak heads mean if you click heads fine they still fall over the same

[cyan verge]

just shoot them in the leg tbh leg meta

[sinful swallow]

Chest is what dots base off of though

[somber axle]

but if you're spraying at limbs/chest they'll tank shots

doesn't shooting limbs get some weird damage modifier dropping damage by half or something

[cyan verge]

you probably don't want to kill ragers with DOTs...

[bitter turtle]

wdym

bleed dot from nade

[sullen jackal]

i frankly like the vraks the most, mk v for the infantry autogun at least testing it again

[bitter turtle]

best way to kill them

[cyan verge]

oh, yeah true

I just was thinking like if you're shooting at a rager you probably want him to just be dead right

[sullen jackal]

it feels the most autogunny

[cyan verge]

not like, oh he's gonna die a few seconds later while he beats me up

[bitter turtle]

tbh

ragers are the new

[cyan verge]

sounds dangerous

[bitter turtle]

"weakest elite/special"

in havoc

lol

imo at least

[sullen jackal]

I find the infantry autogun really good on just about anyone if you're doing heavy melee and want a quick gun to target specialists.

[tall torrent]

Just groaners, poxwalkers and m21st groaners

[sullen jackal]

(honestly the shredder pistol is probs decent at that role too buuuuut)

[tall torrent]

Other horde enemy types don’t get the +mass & +health boost

[bitter turtle]

oic

so 14 cleave

[tall torrent]

Otherwise a single scab bruiser would be 9+ mass and 900+ health

[bitter turtle]

cans till penetrate shooters

[tall torrent]

Lmao

[bitter turtle]

that might be ok of a niche

cus that is honestl ya major appeal of recon imo in havoc

[sullen jackal]

srsly tho vraks autogun superfun

[bitter turtle]

easy to sweep across and gun down a lot of shooters

[tall torrent]

No

[sullen jackal]

...also TIL autoguns at the chest will annihilate maulers.

actually excuse me wtf

excuse me?

[cyan verge]

ragers are at their most dangerous in like 3 situations I can think of:

• they approach soundlessly from behind and you just have no chance to see them coming so they get one or two hits in while you're like whoa wtf
• they approach in a massive horde from a blind corner so you don't have time to see them or get shots on them before there's like 12 on your entire party
• they approach while you are being distracted by other more important threats like crushers/maulers

[bitter turtle]

yea its just like

those situations are ordinary in havoc

so its not really a usrprise anymore

when they do it every 5 seconds

and you prepare for it

[cyan verge]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

exaggeration but you get the point

[sullen jackal]

i should probably upgrade this fully at some point because apparently autoguns are cracked

[bitter turtle]

shotgunners are so damn scary now

in havoc

[cyan verge]

yeah I kill them when I see them

I mean, like most enemies...

but when I see shotgunners I kill them extra hard

[sullen jackal]

lol i can't get more DPS on the shotgunner because too much DPS

yeah ok i'm not entirely sure why damage seems to be so high

oh. They... have a bit of crit damage.

just a bit.

[tall torrent]

change perk & blessing

flak + 5% crit chance
dum dum
deathspitter

and run the 5% crit chance talent on right side

[sullen jackal]

whistles in psyker

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t u still want deathspitter on psyker tho

[sullen jackal]

ow.

[remote sonnet]

You might want to dump mobility instead of stability. Even though it is not significant, that better recoil control count.

[sullen jackal]

i choose to dump stability not because it is the best choice, but because I must control the recoil and become better for it.

[cyan verge]

man... I don't wanna...

lights out should be like oh that's free but it's really not

[trim steppe]

I remember the first time I played Lights Out, I was like oh its gonna be darker. Then I got in the mission and was like "HOLY F ITS DARK"

I suddenly understood why a gun having a flashlight on it would be an actually useful thing

[cyan verge]

yeah it's just annoying that even then the default flashlight is not good and you should just have it taped to your helmet or face anyway

or even your armor

ANYTHING but just 'only on your gun'

[trim steppe]

Yes but its the year 40000 and we dont have the technology for shoulder-mounted flashlights

[jaunty temple]

SAH CAN I HAVE SOME MONEY SAH

[trim steppe]

You'd just spend it all on rashuns

[tawny timber]

we need this

[jaunty temple]

i go ask shouty sah

[thorny gorge]

Isnt in theory

Dumdum and infernus better for havoc than dumdum and deathspitter

[echo pollen]

anyone able to help a newbie player make a passable evetran?

[cyan verge]

ok cool done with havoc now gg

also wow that was my first like actually good team

psyker, zealot, zealot

[umbral scaffold]

No you waste it all on rations

[cyan verge]

what level are you

oh wow he asked that like 20 minutes ago now

oh well rip

[echo pollen]

lol

I am currently level 3

[cyan verge]

um

well

most of your build is your talents

your masteries are just what blessings you can put on what gun and you get enough to fill out each one so don't worry about that

[echo pollen]

ah good to know

[cyan verge]

and whatever gear you put on is like, you'll probably be changing that a lot

so for now just use whatever crap you can put on and worry about your items at level 30

as for your talents... which are free to redo whenever you want... just like

pick good talents

pro tip, most of vet's good talents are at the bottom of the tree

for instance, consider this

[umbral scaffold]

Why helping a heretic

He's a spy

[cyan verge]

true I guess I fucked up

[cyan verge]

maybe just like normal difficulty 1-25 is going to be filthy casuals and 26+ is going to be like okay these people know what 'book' is

[tawny timber]

holy shit

is bro the lisan al-gaib or some shit

[trim steppe]

How can they kill that which has no life

[bleak cradle]

XP glitch imo or something

[errant sable]

thats all he plays, prob stealth zealot with combat knife

what he usually played in pubs whenever i find him

[tawny timber]

yup

idk how you dont get bored of that

[cyan verge]

that is absurd

[errant sable]

wearing the same fit too xD

[patent zephyr]

Is this like a mod to see these super trust levels?

[tawny timber]

yea

[patent zephyr]

Poo, should be base game

[pallid jetty]

havoc is the base now

even better than true level

[patent zephyr]

Bleh

[grand perch]

they should show what havoc levels you have cleared and not what your own assignment level is

could have been doing nothing but helping friends out at 30+ havoc and it would show havoc 16 until the end of the week

[grand perch]

its almost all zealots. probably because for them its easiest to dickishly ditch the team entirely. havent seen a lot of 1000+ vets

[narrow frost]

It's real level

He's really chill and streams

Check him out

[errant sable]

huh didnt know he streams

[narrow frost]

Unsure on his name

But I would assume it's Trauma

[errant sable]

ive played tons with him before though

[narrow frost]

Same

[grand perch]

na server?

[narrow frost]

Na west

[grand perch]

higher lvl than any eu player ive seen. i think DotNL with ~3600 is the only one i know comes close

[narrow frost]

There are a few

But his all are spedrun

[grand perch]

figured

[umbral scaffold]

He lives for purging the heretics

[narrow frost]

It's always funny when people spot a wild Trauma

[fickle sphinx]

which Axe is better for veteran the combat or tactical?

[cyan verge]

rashad combat

[grand perch]

as a tac axe main i have to say

rashad

[cyan verge]

this penance is kickin my ass

the only way I've found to do it is speedrunning rolling steel

[warm flower]

i actually find lights off missions way easier

dunno if its placebo but its like the enemies dont shoot at all lol

[fickle sphinx]

And which Mark of heavy sword is best for veteran

[elder fiber]

It mostly depends on spacial awareness so that you don't get pranked by a crusher coming out the shadows to mash you from the side

[warm flower]

Literally failed a mission that way yesterday bro smashed 3 people at once, appeared out of nowhere

[cyan verge]

it's hard to do that sometimes if in close quarters or if the game just throws a lot of them at you

[elder fiber]

honestly aside from baseline skill it mostly depends on people actually fucking pinging things

and don't dodge off an edge lol

[empty root]

what is better for curio, tougness or health

[warm flower]

toughness all the way

better value

[hollow ibex]

hp until 200+, rest into toughness

[tall torrent]

Huh

[thorn lark]

In the end it's a moveset preference. But 9 has better light spamming and a nice H1 overhead

[somber adder]

IX

IX Overhead oneshots mutants (non Havoc), Overhead into special chain is an okay single target Combo vs Armor and has great stagger. Heavy Spam with bromentum clears hordes really well

[tropic stratus]

guys is power sword any good

[cyan verge]

yes it is godly

[tropic stratus]

do people still run brutal momentum on it

[cyan verge]

power cycler + brutal momentum

[tropic stratus]

so you wouldn't recommend power cycler + slaughterer?

[thorn lark]

nope

[swift river]

That moment where I want to try other builds... But dammit, the one I have really works

[teal canyon]

Darktide punishing you for quality of your teammates

[cyan verge]

yeah it's pretty much that

it's mostly just because like

no matter what difficulty...

• 1, people are babies, they go down
• 2, people are babies, they go down
• 3, people are babies or not playing seriously, they go down
• 4, people are just bad at the game, they go down
• 5 and up, people sometimes make mistakes, they go down

[swift river]

You'll get it eventually!

[cyan verge]

I don't begrudge anyone for that either btw like, newbies are new, people who want to chill deserve that and so on but uh yeah this penance... wow

[cyan verge]

thanks

it's just, at 320 hours in I kind of expected I might have it or be further along than, 'almost' half done

[swift river]

Was it always 100 missions?

[ivory aurora]

on a boltgun do i want 60 mobility or 60 reload speed

[tall torrent]

Mobility dump

[ivory aurora]

ok thanks! wanted to make sure

[swift river]

Ye, Mobility is almost always gonna be the 60

[ivory aurora]

cheers!

[round jetty]

viewer 📹 beware 😯 your 👨 in 🗣️ for 🤔 a 🫢 :scare 👻

please someone tell me they remember that

[ivory aurora]

Huh ?

[gentle heath]

is armourbane on helbore anygood?

[grizzled berry]

vets question

how am I meant to build infil tree?

[cyan verge]

that's the neat thing you don't

because if you take infiltrate, how do you take VoC?

[grizzled berry]

but I wanna

I dont like voice of command

[cyan verge]

it is arguably the strongest ability in the game

but anyway

just do a normal build, but add infiltrate

weapon specialist

[grizzled berry]

I see

[grizzled berry]

if I did voc do I also take that?

honestly I just like infil vet cuz I like being fast

[cyan verge]

yeah sure why not it's good

vet is godly at melee for some reason

so why not make it better and get guaranteed crits on your guns

something like this is pretty typical

oh and grab agile engagement too cuz it also owns