veteran-class

[pastel yew]

but the alt fire fanning feels pretty rough

[terse idol]

Well that is if you can manage to hit all shots on weakpoints

[pastel yew]

at least it gets more ammo than its far better cousin

[terse idol]

(It's a little tough)

[ancient path]

ya

[pastel yew]

yeah the build is

not great but

it is funny and thematic

[ancient path]

just trying things out while i grind out mats

[pastel yew]

who wins... giant pogryn monstrosity or rootin tootin cowboy with a six shooter

DRAW

https://tenor.com/view/buford-tannen-backtothefuture-gif-4567499

[ancient path]

gotta make my elster signalis build because

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-elster-dance-low-poly-gif-9345366673965562366

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-we-used-to-kill-people-with-hammers-for-saying-things-like-that-kill-people-with-hammers-hammers-gif-28854509168023063

[ancient path]

wdym!

[pastel yew]

WHY IS IT SO STUBBYYY

WHERES ITS BARREL

[ancient path]

hahahahahah

its a little too stubby but

[pastel yew]

its just a cylinder ;-;

[ancient path]

close enough

[pastel yew]

man I wish the signal laser was better

they're so laggy and delayed

[ancient path]

i wish you could edit things to be longer/shorter

[pastel yew]

not sure if thats been fixed yet though

yeah I mean weapon customization being base game would be cool

[ancient path]

ah yes perfect

i love the abominations you can make

[pastel yew]

and they say the perfect gun doesnt exist...

[ancient path]

but any excuse to use the devils claw, my beloved, is almost a good time.

love parrying crushers

[pastel yew]

mhm the weapon is super fun

I tend not to be as big a fan of them outside of zealot though as you get that SPEEEEED

[ancient path]

devil claws feel so nice with precision strikes

[pastel yew]

also even nuttier attack speed

[ancient path]

fatshark should add in a parry blessing

[terse idol]

Real!

[ancient path]

all the impact stuff seems kinda weird tho.

why have impact on devils claw?

[unborn perch]

Is the charge rate on plasma gun still bugged? I heard unless you have 71% charge rate the uncharged shots will do less damage. Is that outdated now?

[terse idol]

That is already fixed

But you do want a specific distribution for plasma gun

[unborn perch]

Word

[terse idol]

You're looking for 69% Charge rate 71% thermal resistance

[unborn perch]

Why

[terse idol]

If you want to be 100% optimized

69% charge rate is to make it so you don't feel the delay for the left click shots

71% thermal gives you the most shots for your left click before max overheat iirc

[unborn perch]

Is something still bugged about it then?

[terse idol]

No

Its just the optimal stats

Since you want 80% in every other stat

The damage bug went away a long time ago

[unborn perch]

Ok but if it’s not bugged then why would 80% ever not be better than those lower stats on those modifiers?

[terse idol]

Because you can't get 80% on every stat

And like

You don't want to have a lower maximum damage amount

Or a lower ammo amount

Or stopping power

[unborn perch]

But if I was willing to take ammo as a dump stat then why wouldn’t 80% be best on the other modifiers?

[terse idol]

Because dumping ammo as a dump stat sucks and

The other stats don't do that much

Its better to have max ammo

The other 69% and 71% are qol

To maximize the efficiency of either stat

Since maxed charge rate, you're not gonna feel it

And I'm unsure if 80% thermal resistance will give you another shot from 71%

[unborn perch]

Looking at an individual stat, 80% is best though right?

[terse idol]

Yrah

Yeah

[unborn perch]

Ok

[paper trellis]

The pinned guide has the ideal charge rate at 71% and 69% thermal, is that just outdated?

[terse idol]

Me as I

Woops

Get it wrong

Yes

You're right

😭

@unborn perch its actually 71% charge rate and 69% thermal

I can't read when I look through the message history!!!!

[paper trellis]

As a side note, why is reload speed the dump on revolver, does it really do that little?

[teal canyon]

Plasma charged shot deal less damage than 3 normal but eat same amount of ammo

Oh wow, charged plasma shot have explosion

whopping 22 damage with it

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/9641f74a3d1e37c07e874bbc5860c3b0.jpg

its done

40 and insane

infiltrate op :^)

[pseudo fiber]

Congrats

[umbral scaffold]

Can you send me your complete build you used? Weapons included?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/aaba6450facf5952c2a388393e49bb4d.png

recon XIV (the slow cleaving one) + ds4 or rashad depending on the rest of the team

i hope sneaky cat is proud

[umbral scaffold]

Thank you

[bitter turtle]

build looks odd just because its specifically for havoc

some choices I would not make normally (surprise attack, suppression node)

[umbral scaffold]

Big havoc has to be meta

[bitter turtle]

use grenades very liberally on this build

its basically the point of it

the recon is ammo efficient + infernus so its just good for picking off gunners, even hardened ones, while your zealot can grab some ammo from their flamer

stealth + 2 or 3underhand grenades on every major fight solves a lot of problems in terms of damage and stagger as far as melee enemies go

[pseudo fiber]

I noticed demo teams value instantly when playing havoc

[teal canyon]

Its me or plasmagun blessings bugged?

[brave pond]

How so?

[grand perch]

just kicked a teammate from a havoc game for the first time. revolver veteran

spams "i need ammo" when hes the only one thats low, so im not putting down the ammo kit. he finds the 2nd one, puts it down, takes all 4 charges

yeah no, we prefer a bot to that it turns out

[teal canyon]

im gonna test it and show

[hollow ibex]

oof dafuq

[tawny badger]

how the fuck does someone even

[teal canyon]

ok. critical strike chance on plasma is starange

[unborn perch]

In terms of damage dealt to target which one is stronger, blaze away or shattering impact?

Brittleness from shattering impact is team-wide increased damage dealt to target right? Where blaze away is personal to your damage dealt.

So I guess what I’m asking is if I understand that correctly.

[pseudo fiber]

blaze away I believe

[unborn perch]

But is brittleness team-wide increased damage dealt to target? Or is brittleness only increasing my damage?

[pseudo fiber]

Brittleness is a debuff applied (in stacks, up to 16) onto enemies, which modifies all attacks’ ADM against that enemy similar to rending. Each stack of brittleness is 2.5%, going up to 40% equivalent rending at max stacks, and lasts 5s.

and from paths guide for ADM

Armor damage modifier changes dmg dealt by an attack if it lands on a specific armor type and is separate from +dmg bonuses in calculation as it is an innate property of the attack. Weapon perks that increase dmg dealt to specific armor types do NOT change that weapon’s ADM.

tldr
Blaze away increases damage
brittleness increases armour damage

[unborn perch]

Ok hang on.

What I need to know is, if I apply brittleness, can you take advantage of it as well or is it specific to me.

[pseudo fiber]

i would yes

[bitter turtle]

brittleness is a debuff on the enemy so your team benefits

rending is the one thats a personal buff so it only works on you

however

i would not really bother thinking about it

is whatever you'reshooting at with a plasma gun going to survive for so long your team can take advantage of it?

even in havoc i dont think thats a realistic proposition

[unborn perch]

Bosses are the primary use case. And the one I’m concerned with. Monstrosities to be specific.

But even they don’t last terribly long

[bitter turtle]

shooting a boss with plasma is not really that worth

better to just melee and save the shots for random specials and elites that come up to try to join the party

you dont want to be magdumping with plasma and then get caught with your pants down when the reload takes 10 years

[unborn perch]

Im a bolter guy but people want to see the plasma gun these days so im trying to make it work.

[bitter turtle]

just play what you want

esp if its not like 30+ havoc

no reason to just do the meta thing

anywhere else

and even at 40 i was not doing something i imagine most people would consider meta outside of ds4

[unborn perch]

Either way figuring out if I want shattering or blaze away would put it to bed for me and I’ll just have to gun ready to go the way I want it in the future.

[bitter turtle]

blaze away has always been considered much better

but

even blaze away is pretty mid

[unborn perch]

Yeah I thought so. They both are.

[bitter turtle]

well

before rising heat

people would run either blaze away/gets hot or gloryhunter/gets hot

[unborn perch]

I am taking rising heat. But I want the one that gives me the most mileage cross charged and uncharged shots. I know charged isn’t really that efficient but having the blessing with the most mileage on both types of shots has the most value to me.

[tall torrent]

rising heat + gets hot

just follow this

[unborn perch]

With blaze away on charged shots I’ll never see max stack before being fully heated so I started looking at shattering.

Not interested in crit blessings though

[tall torrent]

if u want to play blaze away

blaze away + optimised cooling

[bitter turtle]

@tall torrent i finished 40!

lol

[tall torrent]

nice

[bitter turtle]

lmk if you want me to host it for you next week whenever

got the no downs achievement too

[tall torrent]

what build did u run

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/aaba6450facf5952c2a388393e49bb4d.png

recon 14 + ds4

lel

[tall torrent]

O4B higher value than CK in this mode?

[bitter turtle]

probably not, but

i value movespeed over everything remember

[tall torrent]

azreal was running O4B too

[bitter turtle]

well

no clue

[tall torrent]

hmm

[bitter turtle]

i would say

o4b is very nice

on a horde

since this is a grenadier build basically

[tall torrent]

I made like 2 builds

one frag + surv, one smoke

[hollow ibex]

why recon 14? 🤔

cleave?

but it doesn't proc infernus as often

[bitter turtle]

the speedy one is not worth it withou tonslaught

imo

and there is no way

i can afford grabbing taht

[tall torrent]

try VIc

[hollow ibex]

i've been mostly using VI

[bitter turtle]

i thought about that one actually

[tall torrent]

VIc ammo econ is a lot nicer

[bitter turtle]

but i didnt really wanna change things up

and experiment

[hollow ibex]

fair

[tall torrent]

XIV's extra cleave doesn't rly matter in havoc cuz hordes have so much mass

[bitter turtle]

when im trying to do 35+ and stuff

yea that's fair

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah that

[brave pond]

I usually just go with Headhunter with Dumdum on mine.

[hollow ibex]

i've really been liking VIc on zealot/psyker (non-havoc)

[tall torrent]

lemme show u what I been working on

[bitter turtle]

also i love the new weap customization stuff for recon whenever they added some of this

https://i.gyazo.com/a7a94bc09877db99b8ba04bd80ce7d0f.jpg

gold muzzle is

[pseudo fiber]

that is nice

500 havoc rank 20s in party finder

I just want the cool profile insignia

[manic echo]

is this good?

[teal canyon]

I dont really like how plasmagun plays

[bitter turtle]

then dont play it

it sa clunky gun

its not very fun imo

[tawny timber]

plasma gun is point and click adventure

[umbral scaffold]

whats the best assault rifle as of now?

[pseudo fiber]

vraks mk 5

[teal canyon]

infantry autoguns are great

if you get yourself blessing that give bonuses on 2-4 shot its better to get more damage/less rate of fire one

otherwise vraks

you need a way to deal with armor tho

[umbral scaffold]

is whatever this gun is at all viable?

If you can manage recoil it's hardest hitting IA out there

[umbral scaffold]

whats a good build for it

or how could i spec into it better

You can try this one

[umbral scaffold]

thx

[grand perch]

do not take 8 stacks please on focus target, its a trap

[lyric salmon]

Yall think I can run bolter in havoc 25+, or is that a death sentence?

[pseudo fiber]

I played with a vet running it at 31

pretty solid

that and dclaw

[lyric salmon]

Yeah I been running plasma til Havoc 35 but it's kinda boring

[pseudo fiber]

Jzargo

[bitter turtle]

The job of vet in high level is to kill gunners

Other classes can't do it as well

So if you can do that

It's good enough

[lyric salmon]

Alr I did just run a 27 with it and it's pretty solid, just wanted feedback

[hollow ibex]

i'd think bolter is going to suffer greatly with pus hardened

[bitter turtle]

It can run puncture

So

It's not the end of the world

Maybe

[lyric salmon]

I have pucture and whatever the suppressing fire one is

[bitter turtle]

Disclaimer I have not used bolter in above 30

So idk

[manic echo]

ngl after I use recon lasgun for several game i still feel like it does tickle damage

[quiet valley]

idk I cleared Havoc 40 by day 2 with it, just play well, or drop some stam for less dmg and ammo efficiency

[lyric salmon]

Bolter with Pinning fire + Puncture can deal with most, only thing you need to worry about is ammo which is kinda concerning past 30

[manic echo]

is there a wep guide or something on what blessing and perk should I take for each wep

or there just none

[pseudo fiber]

pinned

[narrow frost]

[crude fiber]

I feel like using health and toughness curios in high havoc is almost pointless with how much they reduce them but having more then 2 stamina curios is overkill

[tall torrent]

It counteracts the reduction values

[crude fiber]

Sure but it only gives you 1 extra shot from shooters if even that no?

[tall torrent]

I think it still matters

[worldly plover]

toughness is for chaff mobs, they can wipe out your entire bar and theres no toughness grace period so

[paper trellis]

what is the reload time difference between an 80 reload revolver and a 60 reload revolver?

[grand perch]

i never noticed enemey bullets are actually modelled to stop at the psyker wall and fall off

neat

[worldly plover]

about a third of a second iirc

[paper trellis]

that's a decent amount, maybe it's because I run zarona but i don't get how reload is the dump stat

[worldly plover]

the other stats contribute to damage in someway

[pseudo fiber]

yippee

[worldly plover]

except mobility but mobility is usually better for QoL

dodging and movespeed while reloading will probably save you more than reload speed alone

[teal canyon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dad732c-9a9a-4e35-bd7e-14ee4de8c165/dakka-dakka-6

[worldly plover]

but everything should be to your own personal preference

[teal canyon]

my buddies doesnt play rn and i cant find a rando party

[worldly plover]

if only a dueling sword had a pistol shot for an alt attack

[ancient path]

metaslop vet players trying to call me out for holding onto med kits when i have to push the 104-503th battalion of gunners sent our way with a fuckin speed revolver while he jerks off to his dueling sword.

[worldly plover]

telekine domes popping 3 seconds after being spawned

[ancient path]

also when the ai sends the literal firing squad at you, gunners can be a pos

[faint beacon]

You will play DS4

You will only play

DS4

There is no other melees in the game

[ancient path]

metaslop players on their way to a heresy match

[faint beacon]

Heavy sword my beloved

[tawny timber]

is that an entire bullet and shell casing

[inland orchid]

heretics like shooting the whole thing I guess

[fringe lake]

do you always go for headshots with the laspistol or do you kinda spam with it? I like the build but I have very little experience with the weapon

[quiet valley]

Headshots always unless Cranial near a teammate, Scav Maulers shoot body for flak multi

Main dmg scale is 20% weakspot dmg on ability use, so many specials you spam shout

[remote siren]

Y'all... I love this game look in the chat

[orchid hemlock]

ill pay u

[loud belfry]

psh who hasn't beaten havon 40 with a las pistol these days

[pseudo fiber]

next week

idk got fortunate in the party finder

[orchid hemlock]

what is the las pistol build btw? 🤔

ive been using this on the 30s atm: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[loud belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/ammo-fountain-havoc-40

this is what scab ran and is for vet

[pseudo fiber]

My gracious host

[orchid hemlock]

wtf the build is borken 😔

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/ammo-fountain-havoc-40

[loud belfry]

I thought you posted the same one so I

but yeah

[orchid hemlock]

AAAA ITS A STAM CURIO BUILD

[orchid hemlock]

do I really need to do it 😔

ig toughness is useless by 40 anyways

[quiet valley]

Just dont get hit

[loud belfry]

idk i did las pistol as a zealot with no stam curios and i did fine. though I relied on the vet not needing ammo to be able to do anything

(the vet was scab)

[orchid hemlock]

with deadshot?

also wouldnt a crit blessing be better here to save more ammo? 🤔

[loud belfry]

I have no idea what he used

[quiet valley]

whole point of the build is to do elite/gunner clear, and generate ammo for Book Zealot Bolter/Flamer

[orchid hemlock]

but why laspistol over recon? 🤔

[quiet valley]

deadshot

[gilded wraith]

Did they keep you relatively horde clear while you were deleting elites and gunners?

[quiet valley]

Setup was 2x flamer book Zealot and Bubble Trauma Pskyer

so yes

[orchid hemlock]

uuugughghhhh do I have to take deadshot 😭

[quiet valley]

for free ammo ye

[orchid hemlock]

alright time to farm curios ig

😔

[gilded wraith]

And probably the X specifically for the slower rof....love the 2.

[quiet valley]

X has better crit as well

[orchid hemlock]

what about a blessing with crit?

[quiet valley]

What

[gilded wraith]

Stamina consumption difference between 10 and 2 with dead shot was an eye opener.

[orchid hemlock]

for the laspistol

[quiet valley]

Bad crit sustain on the crit blessings

The build is linked right up there

[orchid hemlock]

yes I saw it but Im wondering if you can get a crit blessing on laspistol

[pseudo fiber]

desperado

[gilded wraith]

Awesome build, but I'll have to wait until a havoc level where gunners are enough of a threat to keep the Zealots closer.

[quiet valley]

You can, both are meh, you can get dmg blessings

[orchid hemlock]

actually wait why dont I just take a hellbore?

[quiet valley]

You can

[pseudo fiber]

because by the time you draw it the mission is over lol

[quiet valley]

I recommend Helbore or Las pistol for 40

Helbore no deadshot

[gilded wraith]

Did you have ghost?

[quiet valley]

guys the build is linked above 💀

but no i didnt

[orchid hemlock]

do u take infernus on it?

[quiet valley]

💀 read the build

[orchid hemlock]

ur build is a laspistol

😔

[quiet valley]

oh for Helbore lol, take Surgical Hotshot imo

[gilded wraith]

Wonder if hotshot is still inverted on ranks?

[quiet valley]

you have to be pretty cracked at helbore to outperform Las Pistol X tho

[faint beacon]

Curious as to why with Hotshot? Is it mainly from the hitmass increase on higher havocs?

[quiet valley]

Free cleave on gunner swarms, free melee cleave, Armor Bane is decent pick too I suppose, and Weight of Fire is a trap pick

[faint beacon]

I can see armor bane with crushers and maulers if you’re dedicating yourself to be elite takedowns

Infernus? Mainly just cause it’s a fuck you to pus afflicted enemies

[orchid hemlock]

bun dont u need infernus to deal with armored enemies in this havoc?

[faint beacon]

More like pus afflicted

That 50% Ranged DR really hurts with Gunners and Reapers at range

[quiet valley]

helbore bad for infernus, rof too low

Las pistol better choice imo, but if you are cracked with marksmens focus you get better dmg, on paper

[faint beacon]

Such a cool keystone but my god it’s up keep can be painful at times

[orchid hemlock]

what about HH with Infernus? 🤔

on the recon

[quiet valley]

recon will never have infinite ammo

[inland orchid]

Not anymore at least

[faint beacon]

It’s Econ is too low so you’ll run out around mid mission

Which is bad

Though ILAG you could work with

Helbore and Laspistol are best suited

[orchid hemlock]

IAG with HH and Infernus could work, 🤔

[versed osprey]

Anyone got the twitch drops?

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This si what I run in my 30s

But I assume this isn't going to cut it past 35

[teal canyon]

That's actually good build

ammosaving maxxing

[quiet valley]

do you have to pick up any ammo drops?

[versed osprey]

so no one? oke

[peak tree]

Anyone have suggestions for curio builds while leveling to 30 and then afterwards? I have a range of toughness and XP bonuses while at level 24 now.

[orchid hemlock]

I think the entire mission on a 33 I only needed to pick up one big ammo bag

[quiet valley]

just stick to xp till 30

[quiet valley]

show scoreboard I want to see how much dmg recon puts out on 40

oh nvm I just read 33

[peak tree]

After that any main suggestions? At the current moment I do medium+ range focus with bolter and get I to the middle of hoards with my ax.

[quiet valley]

For regular non-havoc, I go 3x stam regen, 3x 5% toughness, then Sprint eff, Gunner Res, and Corruption Res

[faint beacon]

You get the chance to try ILAG on 35+? Cause I know they’re solid choices sub-35

[quiet valley]

nah i rushed 40 day 2 not playing anymore

POE 2 time

[faint beacon]

I just know the two listed being Pistol and Hel are solid picks

Suppose I’ll do that testing when I get there

Cause my ass is not dropping the Citadelle Des Morts Easter egg grind for a few havoc runs

[manic echo]

what common goto perk/blessing for melee and range wep?

[hollow ibex]

you gotta be more specific

[pseudo fiber]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9dad8fe8-e501-4302-8e1f-2413a4e79236
This is my very original havoc 40 set up

[sleek garden]

babying the power sword is so hard

might get a new one with better mobility

[pseudo fiber]

plus scoreboard

[manic echo]

Don't have any specific one

Just wanted to know what good so I can put it on the wep I wanted to use later

[hollow ibex]

actually just check the pins

the guide there has every vet weapon covered

[manic echo]

Is it only apply to veterans

Right?

[hollow ibex]

mostly, though there's general info too

[sleek garden]

welp all knife teammates in the auric maelstrom and i decided to bring a power sword

they immediately left me behind and then i got attacked by 3 monstrosities and bulwarks and ragers

never turned to help

why do zealots with the new power sword have such an aversion to heavy attacks

they do horizontal lights into everything

[hollow ibex]

because combos are too hard

[sleek garden]

just watched a zealot on a ledge in a game i joined spam it into a monstrosity

killed it eventually then a group of ragers appeared and instead of playing at all defensively he just started spamming attacks

which is what you dont do with ragers

and he died without killing any

[thick needle]

Hey can someone explain what the Toughness Grace Period is to me

[quiet valley]

dmg reduction when toughness is broken

[sleek garden]

it's only for ranged damage i think

[warm flower]

its like 75% for 1 sec

[obtuse elm]

Can anyone help me w the over watch penance, I just plan on throwing myself off a cliff or something

[umbral scaffold]

Is the Spearhead boltgun too clunky to effectively use as Vet?

[hollow ibex]

nah it's one of the best vet guns

[umbral scaffold]

I am trying to look at other builds i can do over Plasma gun atm

And i am going to try it out

[tawny badger]

so now you just die instantly when a gunner breaks your toughness in havoc?

[warm flower]

https://tenor.com/view/goma-cat-nod-gif-10363630855706579942

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-sukuna-tookyt-absolute-cinema-deepfried-gif-1188780681695214366

[peak tree]

I'm cetita my favorite personally but I'm pre 30 so my opinion is debatable, though it's help to be one of our best options by the community it Seems.

Great at long range, great at taking down monstrosities and elites, if you're surprised by hoards it will clear space if you need it to, the ammo could be better. Could be worse.

[worldly plover]

good on focus target builds but its switch speed makes it very clumsy on weapon specialist and its mag is too small for marksmans focus or whatever the left keystone is

no idea why the marksman focus keystone is even called that, its like the complete opposite

[autumn sorrel]

Does close range damage mean close range with ranged or melee.

[shadow dagger]

'close range damage' means damage dealt within 12? meters

[worldly plover]

i thought it was 8

[hollow ibex]

12.5m now

got buffed

[shadow dagger]

as for blessings and such, honestly idk it's probably just locked to that specific weapon

[hollow ibex]

(also why longshot is bad now)

[shadow dagger]

what even has close range damage again

dumdum fire frenzy what else

[sleek garden]

left side skill tree with columnus infantry autogon on rolling steel is crazy good

i never stopped shooting the whole time

[tall torrent]

Close damage always applies to both melee & ranged if applicable

However in the case of something like dum dum, man one of those weapons have melee attacks

[autumn sorrel]

Ah okay

[tall torrent]

If you’re talking abt smth like fire frenzy

If technically does apply to melee

But only the gun special action melee

Since that blessing only works when you have ranged weapon in hand

[shell ingot]

Is anybody actually finding havoc fun for melee focused builds? Feels like a chore to play with blight and pus hardened for me and not sure id play this past level 40 or if I am even gonna make it to 40 without going back to maelstorm

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent is this copium for Havoc? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[cyan verge]

what do you mean, what tier are you even at now

[shell ingot]

I am talking about the blight modifier being extremely anti fun to play with a melee build

[orchid hemlock]

wait which recon is the most ammo efficient?

[cyan verge]

I mean yeah, so what tier are you at now

[shell ingot]

25

[cyan verge]

wow

[orchid hemlock]

the biggest problem with vet at 30+ is ammo

[cyan verge]

everyone says the XIV is 'da best one'

[orchid hemlock]

everything else is kinda secondary

[orchid hemlock]

that one uses 2 ammo per shot

[cyan verge]

yes, and

[tall torrent]

Swap BID out for twinned blast or desperado

[tall torrent]

VIc has best ammo economy

[orchid hemlock]

by how much copared to the XII?

[cyan verge]

the XII has like 200 more ammo whereas it'll take 2 shots to kill some things that the VIc might only take like one shot so it's worse

[tall torrent]

It’s like 1.4x damage per shot compared to XII? Forgot

[cyan verge]

58 to 96

[orchid hemlock]

IS IT DECENT WITH INFERNUS THO THATS THE BIG QUESTION MARK

[tall torrent]

Ye

[orchid hemlock]

woops sry caps

[tall torrent]

Recon is just infernus gun basically

[orchid hemlock]

i feel like openeing slavo is overkill but I really want to be as ammo eff as possible 😔

[hearty panther]

now that they changed hitmass i dont really see purpose for the XIV

even without havoc modifiers

[tall torrent]

Yea

[hearty panther]

you arent cleaving through three shotgunners anymore with it

its just expensive

[tall torrent]

XIV only does specialist TTK faster

[hearty panther]

maybe theyll give it a touch more cleave some day idk

[cyan verge]

haha, yeah right

that's a funny joke

[hearty panther]

well you already needed warp splitter on psyker to really take advantage of its shenanigans

now you need warp splitter to cleave elites period

its not nearly the value proposition it was before

shotgunners and gunners got their masses doubled after all

which is fair, i always thought it weird that bruisers had more mass than them lol

[cyan verge]

no I mean they're never gonna alter 'cleave' on a gun like that

[hearty panther]

never know

[cyan verge]

I doubt the developers even understand their own game to that level that they're like oh yeah that gun could use more cleave, let's just tweak that

[quiet valley]

That’s why it’s a waste to use ammo on Vet in Havoc 40

[hearty panther]

its that or just jack the damage up which is lame and power creep

[cyan verge]

I wondder how they even balance this game

[quiet valley]

Flamer has crazy good value to mixed horde

[hearty panther]

Around Heresy

[quiet valley]

Plasma can’t even compare for ammo efficiency

[serene bough]

ok now to farm lower level havocs

[cyan verge]

if you played helldivers 2 right they clearly balance via analytics, like they just look at what guns players use the most and go oh that's being used a lot, we should nerf that. oh this weapon is not being used a lot, we should buff it, so they buff it and then when people swap to it cuz it's suddenly OP because it was 'balanced' the previous patch and is now the best weapon in the game, they backtrack and go oh that weapon is being used a lot, we should nerf it, so they just nerf it and buff some other weapon with like a 1% usage rate

so my guess is, the darktide devs are not doing that, because otherwise this ostensibly 'big patch' would have seen more than like one tweak the obscurus

this is probably for the best

[hearty panther]

they dont like taking away strong player options without first introducing something new of similar strength

[quiet valley]

Where combat shotgun buff

[cyan verge]

do you just have friends, I honestly don't get how people would even get to 40 let alone clear it with randoms

[inland orchid]

Sheer determination is what I’m guessing

[serene bough]

i did with randoms

[cyan verge]

well okay

[serene bough]

but the rando is a great player ive seen play before

[cyan verge]

oh 'the rando'

so you had like two other people and 1 random?

[serene bough]

no i just joined a game of 3 random people

[inland orchid]

Love me a familiar face when I pub queue, regions do wonders

[cyan verge]

wow

well okay

[serene bough]

but ive seen one in pubs

all the people in the lobby were 1000+ level

[cyan verge]

nice

[serene bough]

its actually pretty manageable of a challenge, you just gotta play slow and cautious

[cyan verge]

what map is that, is that the power cells mission

[serene bough]

ye chasm logistratum

[cyan verge]

sorry, the ""special ammo"" one

yeah

I have seen two clears on that

must be a good luck charm

[serene bough]

the end event is pretty gnarly

[cyan verge]

the safest places to be in havoc I guess are like anywhere you can be in close quarters cuz enemies fortunately can't shoot through walls, yet

so that mission is mostly a lot of corridors

so that's nice

[inland orchid]

The ability to melee through solid matter will always be a amazing thing to me

[cyan verge]

you're just that strong

[orchid hemlock]

wait I just realize, when havoc resets tomorrow it will have new modifyers right?

[cyan verge]

no

your individual assignment might

but it sounded like you were asking oh they're adding new modifiers to the pool right

no I don't think so

[serene bough]

the flamer zealot was doing most of the heaving lifting in dps but we had shredders and smokes for cc and mobile cover

[cyan verge]

wow, 2 vets

nice

[serene bough]

its mostly about funneling enemies into a cluster imo

[cyan verge]

yeah playing slowly and using chokepoints

the flamer though

it's funny cuz I saw people saying 'flamer is shit' before havoc released

[serene bough]

flamer has always been an excelletn ranged option

since the tknife compensates for its weakness

[cyan verge]

wouldn't like an inferno staff psyker be even stronger since he gets infinite ammo

[serene bough]

sure, but we didnt have a psyker in this round

[cyan verge]

fair

[serene bough]

there's some flexibility in builds, as long as everyone covers a role

[thorny gorge]

Burn recon once again my beloved

Not sure if i should keep running dumdum or swap to headhunter for havoc

How is ammo econ on havoc

Do they gimp ammo spawns at all?

[quiet valley]

15% ammo drops

[serene bough]

you have to manage your ammo

[thorny gorge]

[serene bough]

can't just full blaze every encounter

[thorny gorge]

Well

I still can

[quiet valley]

15% ammo from all drops, normal spawn rate, includes ammo box

[thorny gorge]

But i m8ght have to build specifically for it

[cyan verge]

yeah I mean that's havoc in a nutshell

[thorny gorge]

[cyan verge]

also as far as I know it's not 15%, you get 25% ammo

[thorny gorge]

Oh ok

[cyan verge]

unless something's changed

[thorny gorge]

So shock troop recon probs what ima do

[cyan verge]

with survivalist

[thorny gorge]

Is it worth it

[serene bough]

if youre running recon deff get shocktroop

[thorny gorge]

I dont need it for auric

Am already

[serene bough]

survivalist + always prepared helps to keep your ammo topped

or at least at equilibrium

[thorny gorge]

Survivalist a must take for havoc?

[pseudo fiber]

I also did it with randoms
Biggest requirements to win are to stay together and know where to move to fight

[serene bough]

Surv & VoC are must takes

[thorny gorge]

K

[cyan verge]

yeah...

[thorny gorge]

I will spruce up my build

Probably gonna try and get the maelstorm title first tho

[cyan verge]

I am gonna need more than 5 fuckin loadouts this sucks

[pseudo fiber]

The "Go there" ping is a life changer btw

[serene bough]

i have 2 loadouts for havoc depending on whether i was bringing ilas or laspistol

[thorny gorge]

I vc

Ping are also handy

[cyan verge]

yeah I am trying that too but I think if I fail one of the next 2 missions I am just gonna give up, I am 3/5 and I am never gonna get a streak that good again

[inland orchid]

The amount of times I’ve been redirected by this ping cuz I’m too locked into the horde in front of me is too big a number for me to keep track of anymore

Backline horde clearing always enjoyable

[thorny gorge]

i might honestly need a 4man stack

[serene bough]

also

[cyan verge]

I tried looking the other day in pf and couldn't find anyone, I found like one guy

[pseudo fiber]

Same i have one for plasma one for laspistol
Depending on who I'm playing with

[thorny gorge]

Is it me or the party for the title

[serene bough]

i love how crusher overheads 1hko regardless of wounds

[pseudo fiber]

I ate one of those in my run

[quiet valley]

Yeah melee has corruption overkill iirc

[pseudo fiber]

Oopsies

[thorny gorge]

Like can party members die and can i still get the title

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

[cyan verge]

I saw one track me while I was dodging yesterday then one that didn't track me at all so I am not so in love with it

[thorny gorge]

[cyan verge]

yes it's only if YOU die

but

apparently they made it so you can't like drop the game if things are going south so

if you are headed for a loss I guess it's just GG

[thorny gorge]

Oh that's fine lmao

If i cant streak in a mealstrom

Then i wont touch havoc till i can

[cyan verge]

maelstrom and havoc are very different things though, I know what you are about to say

[pseudo fiber]

I think in my winning 40 game I ate 2 crusher overheads one instant killed me the other I had 200 gold toughness so I was fine

[serene bough]

how much hp wereyou left with

[pseudo fiber]

Full I think

[serene bough]

oh really

[cyan verge]

damn

[pseudo fiber]

Or I was hit by something else and dodged the crusher idk

Idk

It was scary!

[orchid hemlock]

yeah, the tentacle heads make it so that mauler and crusher heads insta kill u

[cyan verge]

do those impart a damage boost

[thorny gorge]

damn

[orchid hemlock]

sorta, it adds corruption to the damage as well which drops your wound

[cyan verge]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that makes sense

[thorny gorge]

Ima have to get good

Fugg

[orchid hemlock]

nah tbh the crushers are not the problem

[narrow frost]

its every enemy

[orchid hemlock]

its the fading light

[narrow frost]

overkill damage

[cyan verge]

yeah, that explains a lot...

[orchid hemlock]

yeah anything with tentacle heads will corrupt you and can insta kill you depending on how much damage it does and what havoc level you are

[cyan verge]

for this reason path was saying corruption resist might be good on curios in havoc

[narrow frost]

any enemy

[orchid hemlock]

wait so even if a poxwalker touches u

[serene bough]

zealot beacon of purity is enough

[orchid hemlock]

u die

[narrow frost]

poxwalker doesnt do overkill damage

[serene bough]

for corruption cleanse

[cyan verge]

true...

[narrow frost]

a overhead does

[pseudo fiber]

Anyway I need 200 fucking penance points fuck

[narrow frost]

crusher and mauler use overheads

[cyan verge]

who would have thought beacon of purity would be bis

[narrow frost]

they dont need parasite to 1 tap you

[serene bough]

i do appreciate how survivability takes a huge place in the meta

but idk how i feel about inflated enemy HP pools

[umbral scaffold]

Does anyone have a recommended build for Boltgun veteran?

I wanna mow down enemies with the boltgun cause it's funny

But i also don't like the slow ass reload

[thorn lark]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

I'd like to see it

[cyan verge]

it'd be the first time anyone has posted a boltgun vet build in here

or I assume so anyway, discord deletes everything once it has been scrolled off-screen

[bitter turtle]

Does it punch through poxwalkers at havoc 40 or was this placebo

[cyan verge]

I doubt it

[thorn lark]

You can start with that for a basic exec build

[bitter turtle]

I can't really tell in my runs before

So i just kept using it all the way to 40 lol

[bitter turtle]

Catch a breath > get back in the fight

[umbral scaffold]

Thanks. I was thinking of something similar. I'll give it a go

[thorn lark]

and a basic shout build

[bitter turtle]

Especially on exec

[cyan verge]

what difficulty was this build for again

cuz don't take exe to havoc

[thorn lark]

i am so used to twbs on zealot that i take get back

[bitter turtle]

It's not nearly as good as twbs

[thorn lark]

clearly

[cyan verge]

clearly an air fryer

[thorn lark]

it has saved me from mistakes tho

[bitter turtle]

I assume you mean you take get back in the fight all the time

[thorn lark]

yeah sorry, corrected

[bitter turtle]

Catch a breath is toughness regen when not next to enemies

[thorn lark]

i am always around ennemies

[cyan verge]

and so you should be

[bitter turtle]

It's especially helpful on exec since you don't have a "get back all your toughness at once" button

[thorn lark]

well

[bitter turtle]

Especially when clutching

[cyan verge]

enemies need your hugs

[tall torrent]

nah lol

poxwalkers are like 4 mass

[bitter turtle]

Damn

[thorn lark]

i use inspiring + pinning

[cyan verge]

they shoulda called it 'realism mode'

[tall torrent]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[thorn lark]

it reminds me of how sustained fire used to work

[cyan verge]

do you think you can just stab through like 5 guys at once? no

[bitter turtle]

Literally was just nerfing myself

[thorn lark]

depends on the force and the weapon used

[cyan verge]

the force is: your arm, and the weapon is: your DS4

[thorn lark]

didn't they use corpses to test katanas?

[cyan verge]

... are you asking me? I don't know???

I doubt it

where'd you find a corpse readily to test a katana, right

there was a practice known as 'sword testing' where samurai would go out and just use random travelers to try out their new sword on but that's different

[umbral scaffold]

For spearhead boltgun, shattering impact and puncture?

[cyan verge]

puncture and pinning fire I think?

[thorn lark]

the random traveler part feels like a urban legend

[umbral scaffold]

I am trying to go for volley fire and just unloading on things

[thorn lark]

puncture pinning is a sure bet

[umbral scaffold]

Allright

Thanks

[cyan verge]

it sounds absurd but it was apparently a thing 'tsujigiri'

though now that I look it may have been criminals and not, samurai

but I dunno shrug

[umbral scaffold]

Damn executioners stand is not for me

It feels so restrictive and boring

[clever hedge]

Prisoners

They would like death row inmates up and test em

[steep grail]

ive found out demo team is ridiculously valuable in havoc

[hollow ibex]

it's really good value even in damnation/auric too

[steep grail]

true

[bitter turtle]

It's good in auric mael too

In havoc it's probably even better than stockpile

I run both though

And grenadier

And twinning for some time

[steep grail]

i run both and throw shredders for fun

don't use twin

i don't think i've ever gotten twin to proc when it actually matters

[cyan verge]

twin for some reason procs all the time for me, like I'll throw three grenades and get it for 2/3 throws

not that it's useful since I usually run kraks

[steep grail]

kraks are so

i hate them

1 crusher per sometimes

[cyan verge]

I have found they are best for use on bulwarks

because

sometimes you just want them to leave

[steep grail]

that is true

to be honest i think i would value krak more if i wasn't a ds4cel

[bitter turtle]

Nah

Every weapon except dclaw can kill crushers really fast

[cyan verge]

and the heavy sword

[bitter turtle]

Oh right

[steep grail]

ds4 is almost always 2 tapping them

[bitter turtle]

I forgot they gave it to vet lol

[cyan verge]

doesn't everyone have heavy sword

[steep grail]

yes

[cyan verge]

oh and chainsword sucks too

[steep grail]

700 hours in darktide never even once used the 1h chainsword

[cyan verge]

it's like tolerable against hordes, which means it's not good, and then it is bad at specials

so it's all around pretty underwhelming

the dclaw at least has the funny parry

[steep grail]

yeah

the crusher 1 tap parry

[cyan verge]

comparatively the chainaxe is not good at hordes but it at least obliterates specials

[bitter turtle]

In AM it's more than tolerable

[tawny timber]

will never understand why even turning and sprinting and sliding doesnt get you away from a crusher overhead

[bitter turtle]

Actually against pure poxwalkers it's one of the fastest

[cyan verge]

depends which attack he is using

[bitter turtle]

It also needs no melee talents to function

[cyan verge]

crushers have two overheads, they have standing overhead and then, fucking sprinting infinite ramp overhead

[bitter turtle]

Pretty easy to slot into any build

[steep grail]

crusher overheads are already non-threats

i think more options to avoid them is unnecessary

[cyan verge]

yeah I agree, your dodge does have iframes, I think, you can just dodge through it

[bitter turtle]

Just dodge at the last second

You have iframes

I know panic rolling is a thing but fight the urge

[tawny timber]

im trying to learn power sword

[bitter turtle]

It let's you survive even when you have no space against a crusher

[tawny timber]

and i keep running out of dodges and getting cooked

[bitter turtle]

Are you playing havoc at 30+?

[tawny timber]

no lol

[bitter turtle]

I would try another weapon if you are

Oh

[tawny timber]

auric damnation

[steep grail]

does power sword get mobility or defense

[bitter turtle]

Mobility

If you mean stat

[steep grail]

yea

[bitter turtle]

It's sprint speed is really low

[steep grail]

its everything is really low besides damage

[bitter turtle]

And the need to power before attacking makes the pullout much longer in practical terms

[steep grail]

try weapon specialist w power sword if your dodges are an issue

it doesn't give you more but your dodges at least start doing something

[bitter turtle]

Yea wep specialist makes the issues with psword a lot better

Build dependent though

[tawny timber]

im already using it 💀

[steep grail]

damn

[tawny timber]

i think im mostly salty bc i panicked while fighting a crusher just now at the end of a game

and got downed

i mostly havent had trouble

but i still have skill issues

[steep grail]

yeah panicking against crushers is super common

the more you play the less it happens

[tall torrent]

U could practice with creature spawner mod

[steep grail]

be careful cause dying in the psykhanium is an immediate softlock

is that still in the game

[tall torrent]

No

U can help urself up if it doesn’t outright kill you

[bitter turtle]

You can just quit out of the psyk

[tall torrent]

There’s a keybind for that

[bitter turtle]

Even if you straight up die

[tall torrent]

U can also set yourself to be invulnerable since the idea is not to get hit in the first place

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent I was thinking, if u use the XII with HH is it more ammo effecient versus the VIc? 🤔

[tall torrent]

If u get hit by overhead ur toughness still disappears

[tall torrent]

Why headhunter

[orchid hemlock]

havoc

[tall torrent]

U sure reciprocity and crit talent aren’t enough?

[steep grail]

oh yeah also remember crushers can be dodged backwards

[orchid hemlock]

for havoc i want to be as eff as possible

[steep grail]

actually maybe not with power sword

[tall torrent]

Yea in which case u run 5% crit chance perk and skip headhunter

(And tbh I’d tell u to run a laspistol)

[bitter turtle]

I stopped running headhunter on recon even

Honestly have not noticed a difference

[orchid hemlock]

yeah but laspistol required deadshot and stam curios

[tall torrent]

No?

U can play it without those

[orchid hemlock]

to be 100% ammo eff I do need it 😔

[tawny timber]

nvm i just got netted through the crusher

[tall torrent]

Are u playing with 2 flamers on ur team

[orchid hemlock]

ussually yes

but I feel like purge staff does the job better

[tall torrent]

Yea

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

Psyker op

[orchid hemlock]

this is what I would use for laspistol

I hate not taking dumdum

but is ghost better?

[steep grail]

why infernus

[tall torrent]

Ghost makes pushing into melee a lot safer

[orchid hemlock]

because harden skin

[tall torrent]

Pus harden

[steep grail]

ok

[orchid hemlock]

harden skin reduced ranged damage

but dots dont count

[tall torrent]

I’ll be honest tho

Infernus ttk vs hardened enemies

[terse axle]

Depends on your team and how many bubbles there are

[tall torrent]

Still not good

[orchid hemlock]

then what would u run with laspistol?

[tall torrent]

I run infernus just because

But I checked TTK and such

I think the top 2 guns are laspistol mk2 and inf las 7

[bitter turtle]

I think ttk with gun vs hardened will always suck

But it can't be helped sometimes

[tall torrent]

Like

Laspistol vs hardened gunner is like

8~9 headshots to kill?

[orchid hemlock]

las7 doesnt do well with infernus tho, its purely to stunlock gunners right?

[tall torrent]

And the reality is you’re not gonna wait for infernus when your goal is to kill

[tall torrent]

It’s 6 headshots vs both gunners if hardened, otherwise 3 headshots

[bitter turtle]

I actually do sometimes

Just cause there's like that many gunners

So just putting enough dot on them and ducking back in cover is more efficient

[tall torrent]

That’s more with recon tho

[orchid hemlock]

would u rather take ghost or dumdum on laspistol?

[bitter turtle]

Fair enough

[tall torrent]

Laspistol doesn’t apply infernus that fast

[tall torrent]

I run ghost + infernus just because

Infernus helps boss dps a bit

And occasionally it helps vs hardened

But if u want ur gun to actually kill hardened enemies ur better off with recon

[bitter turtle]

Ghost is non negotiable

It's the entire reason you would go laspistol

[tall torrent]

TTK vs hardened gunner is like
1.38s for inf las 7
1.58s for laspistol 2

[orchid hemlock]

but then u loose the ammo eff 😔

which is why I was wondering if HH can help it out

[tall torrent]

Unless u have 2 flamer or 1 flamer + 1 plasma I think ammo is less problematic

I don’t run shock trooper for inf las 7

One flamer is 40~45% of map ammo

[orchid hemlock]

on 40?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[orchid hemlock]

this is why 4 psyker is meta 😔

[tall torrent]

Psyker op

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[orchid hemlock]

Maybe I'm thinking too hard

Just go 4 bubble Psykers

🤯

[tall torrent]

Gold toughness op

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[cyan verge]

I was thinking yesterday, like just playing normally, like, wait hold on I have infinite ammo as a psyker

this owns

[tall torrent]

Hardened is by far the worst modifier

I hate it

[cyan verge]

yeah

[tall torrent]

I hope they change it

[cyan verge]

it is really not fun

[tall torrent]

It’s just gonna funnel people into DOT on very specific weapons, I don’t think it’s good

[orchid hemlock]

I can't wait for a Havoc which is just nothing bur carapace enemies

[bitter turtle]

Recon is finally meta

Don't take it away from the gun

[cyan verge]

recon has been like meta for a while hasn't it

everyone's always using it

[tall torrent]

Recon could be so good if it had ghost

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[bitter turtle]

That is not the same thing as actually being the strongest option

[tall torrent]

but to me it just looks like

[bitter turtle]

Recon with ghost sounds op ngl

[tall torrent]

it's just psyker with inferno + empathic evasion, but with extra steps

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[bitter turtle]

Lol

Empathetic evasion is so insane

[cyan verge]

does this mean your party members are only using you for your VoC

[bitter turtle]

I didn't even run voc

[cyan verge]

wtf

[tall torrent]

veteran's job is to win gunfights

[cyan verge]

why not

[bitter turtle]

Because I honestly think infil is better on a lot of maps

[cyan verge]

that is a reasonable argument

[tall torrent]

also @bitter turtle I realized 1 thing
inf las 7 can 1hs all shooters (2hs if hardened)

[bitter turtle]

You can just have your team sit there while you solo obj for maps like refinery

[cyan verge]

wow

[bitter turtle]

It's not even like a bad or good player thing for the team

It's just hard to make space and move as a group for stuff like the 4 switches

Meanwhile you can just press infil and hit all of them while they hold on a medkit

[terse idol]

Mf enjoyers?????

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nah

[bitter turtle]

You're doing falter/ghost right

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yea

being able to interrupt specialists is huge

however

if falter can't stagger them in h40

then I'd go headhunter

and prob drop twinned blast for shock trooper

[cyan verge]

does he now, I beg to differ

the emperor can't save me from fatshark's fucking 5 minute loading screen

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inf las 7 breakpoints are just so insane for havoc

outside of hardened

3hs gunners & flamers
2hs trapper
2hs bomber

[bitter turtle]

The only thing I wonder is

If it can punch through a horde to reach the specials sometimes

[tall torrent]

no

no gun cleaves enough besides plasma

and flame weapons

[bitter turtle]

I don't mean cleave

But just killing them fast enough to hit the special

If there's a flamer standing behind a few poxwalkers

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he's tall enough to get shot in the head

trapper is more concearning cuz they're short

[bitter turtle]

Maybe I'll give it a whirl

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but I'm pretty sure

inf las 7 one headshots poxwalkers

[cyan verge]

is plasma any good in havoc

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too ammo costly

[quiet valley]

Only if you wanna be an ammo hog yea

[cyan verge]

rest in piece plasma

[bitter turtle]

Personally I was not impressed by the few I saw

[tall torrent]

not as much value as flamer

[cyan verge]

what if you take inferno staff and have a plasma

[bitter turtle]

It doesn't really fit your role in the team

[quiet valley]

The breakpoints and cleave on plasma kinda shit for 40

[bitter turtle]

Vet is the only one that can efficiently win gunfights

[cyan verge]

fair

[bitter turtle]

I don't think plasma is very good for that relative to other options

[tall torrent]

it could 1hs flamers with a focus target build
but vet wants to win gunfights vs shooters and plasma is horrendously down bad in ammo for that

[bitter turtle]

So you'd need to have another person filling that role

[cyan verge]

what if you have a psyker with electrokinetic spamming at gunners etc

[bitter turtle]

But then you're bringing 2 vets

[quiet valley]

Las weapons just best for Havoc

[bitter turtle]

Instead of say, 2 relic zealots

[quiet valley]

LasPistol X, I’ll keep parading it haha

[tall torrent]

EK is ranged dmg, hard countered by pus

[bitter turtle]

EK left click meme works

But

It's still not as good as vet

[quiet valley]

I mean EK Marco is cheating imo

[bitter turtle]

I don't macro

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for shooter management? yea

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

[quiet valley]

Pskyer just busted for havoc tbh

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that's the most broken build in base game

psyker op

[bitter turtle]

Yep

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[quiet valley]

Free win with Smite, you can be super brain dead and win

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I wish they make pus hardened be like
reduced dmg taken by DOT
instead of reduced ranged dmg taken

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[quiet valley]

They probably can’t code that

Too difficult for em lol

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cuz it's by far the worst modifier in terms of weapon choices, it's just awful

[quiet valley]

Remember how bolt weapons are still bugged

And they just said, we don’t know how to fix it

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like, no matter what gun u bring, ur gunner ttk is well over 1 second

even infernus recon is gonna be >1s ttk

[quiet valley]

Here’s some bigger hitboxes lol

[cyan verge]

wtf? what?

wtf

[bitter turtle]

pus hardened reapers are

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their recoil transition is bugged

[cyan verge]

oh yeah

yes

[quiet valley]

Guys don’t sleep on the 20% weakspot node for Havoc

It’s like 80% uptime

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Marksman is cool

I might run that over twinned blast

not sure yet

[round jetty]

idk if this matters to anyone but about a year and a half ago i loaded up darktide and when i connected i got multiple skins that said (Xeno, genestealer camo)

i looked in my skins but didnt have shit

thought that was a cool thing but i couldnt find anything about it

has anyone else seen sum like that

[bitter turtle]

what perks do you run for ilas7

[cyan verge]

that happened to me too

[round jetty]

oh fr?

[cyan verge]

when I first started darktide lol

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flak + maniac

[cyan verge]

I opened the game and it was like yo you got all these and it listed like 30 different skins or something

and then I NEVER saw them ever again

[round jetty]

yeah exactly

[cyan verge]

so idk

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maniac gives u 2~3hs on flamer (usually 3, if they're far enough away it's 2)

[round jetty]

probably sum they worked on but decided to cut out of the game or some shit

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flak gives u 3hs scab gunner at >8m