veteran-class

[pastel yew]

not even remotely close

[tall torrent]

Veteran needs to build according to team needs in havoc

But if you’re playing like heresy pubs it doesn’t matter lol

I could help maybe

[umbral scaffold]

The most fun i had in this game tbh was Auric Maelstorm today

It's a heavy team effort

No matter how good you are solo, your team needs to cover you and help you

[obtuse elm]

It’s easy to get tunnel visioned on this which is I think what plagued my teammates the most

[umbral scaffold]

When i did it

[obtuse elm]

Although I probably am not so good either

[umbral scaffold]

My mates were covering me when i was reloading during the gas phases

It helped a lot

And we focused hard on the melee boss

[tall torrent]

Focus ranged boss first

[obtuse elm]

Ik

[umbral scaffold]

But besides the Plasma gun

What guns do you try on Veteran?

[obtuse elm]

Graia vigilant

[pastel yew]

based

[obtuse elm]

Best gun

Dakka 💯

[pastel yew]

I'm pretty sure thats the name for the vraks mk7

after the change

yeah I'm a big fan of that weapon

[obtuse elm]

Single shot one

[pastel yew]

mhm

[obtuse elm]

Yeah I find it really good all round

[pastel yew]

I havent played enough to learn all the new names after they were all changed for 0 reason

[obtuse elm]

Vs carapace, specialists, flak, whatever

It has over pen on some shots so also good for hordes

[pastel yew]

I wish it had some slight wall pen

that'd be the only thing I'd want changed really

[obtuse elm]

Yeah its still the mk7

[pastel yew]

honestly some wall pen on more weapons would be nice

just feels good to head shot a heretic through a box but... just the plasma and boltgun get that privilege ig

[obtuse elm]

Sometimes the mk7 kinda feels like a bolter with how much damage it does

And not so annoyingly slow as one

[pastel yew]

think thats because the boltgun damage just feels kinda limp though

[umbral scaffold]

What gun is grai vigilant base weapon?

[obtuse elm]

Columnus mk3 I think

[pastel yew]

boltgun single shot damage feels kinda limp*

bolt pistols cookin tho

[frank basin]

It’s not dakka it’s krump

The krump gun

Graia braced auto it’s dakka

[umbral scaffold]

I kinda wish there was a reason to go more than Plasma, but Plasma is just so good

[pastel yew]

fun really

though yeah if you're picking based on strength

most weapons, even the ones people claim are bad, are pretty good

[umbral scaffold]

I am vet lvl 30 and i wanna go for Zealot now and learn a bit more melee

[obtuse elm]

Literally cannot find any other assasination mission in rotation on heresy level besides the special assignment

[pastel yew]

the current auric maelstrom is an assasination mission

lights out though

[hollow ibex]

you can do that on vet too 😛

[pastel yew]

so enjoy not being able to see anything all the time

[hollow ibex]

zealot is fun, but very lacking in build variety

[pastel yew]

melee on the zealot is definitely more fun than melee on the vet though

[hollow ibex]

there's like maybe 2-3 viable zealot builds

[obtuse elm]

Yeah I can’t beat the twins you think I can do auric maelstrom 😭

[hollow ibex]

FOTF + knife effect

[pastel yew]

for regular auric play?

[hasty grove]

Who cares if it’s viable tho?

[pastel yew]

you're trippin

fury of the faithful and the throwing knives are

[hollow ibex]

ok viable is prob the wrong word

[pastel yew]

the only reason I play zealot

[hollow ibex]

meta

[pastel yew]

relic blade will likely get added to that list but

[hollow ibex]

there's just more build variety on vet

[hasty grove]

Still lame

[pastel yew]

yeah their lack of range support harms them a lot

[hollow ibex]

zealot rework when

[hasty grove]

Never

[pastel yew]

they dont need a rework tho just some new weapons

[hasty grove]

Fatshark too busy upcharging us for digital shirts

[pastel yew]

digital shirts with holes in them

[hasty grove]

NO FAX

[obtuse elm]

The krieg skins are so disappointing

[pastel yew]

I dont mind them but the limp gasmask is lame

[hasty grove]

I quite like them personally

[alpine scaffold]

bring back the cadia stuff 😕

[pastel yew]

honestly all they have to do is make it more angular and clean

[obtuse elm]

That’s the worst stuff

[umbral scaffold]

My melee on Vet is already good enough. Trust me

The Power sword is all i need

[hollow ibex]

well zealot is a lot of fun too

so can't go wrong

[pastel yew]

the throwing knives on zealot are amazing

they're so fun

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[pastel yew]

nailing a sniper across the map is one of the best feelings in the game

also because you have throwing knives as a weapon

you can use the boltgun full auto and not feel bad

[hollow ibex]

pre-patch i didn't bother running a proper ranged weapon on zealot because of tknives

[pastel yew]

yeah they're silly good

[hollow ibex]

now i do, just because i think gunners are getting a bit too uppity

[pastel yew]

knives got better breakpoints than a lot of ranged weapons like bruh

[hollow ibex]

but you could still get away without a proper ranged weapon

[umbral scaffold]

You guys are making me wanna hop on and farm Zealot

[pastel yew]

you should

they're really fun

I find all the human classes fun though

they all have their charm of nice builds

[umbral scaffold]

I don't think i am really gonna touch Psyker or Ogryn though

[pastel yew]

why's that

[umbral scaffold]

Ogryn seems kinda basic

[hollow ibex]

psyker is broken overpowered atm, but there's fun to be had

i don't like ogryn

too big and fat

[pastel yew]

like vet aint

like zealot aint

like ogryn probably aint

I dont think psyker is stronger than vet overall

just offensively stronger, and even then not by mucch

ogryn is basic

but they have a marksman weapon now so maybe they'll actually be fun

the shield and pickaxe are cool

[tall torrent]

Learn melee by playing duos

[hollow ibex]

psyker setting the entire map on fire

[tall torrent]

I believe in the trial-by-fire method

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

my eyes

[hasty grove]

Love Ogryn but would never play him

Me genuinely squealing in excitement when my friend made an Ogryn named “Big Guy”

[pastel yew]

ogryn names are so fun

think my current one is crumpet

ogryn names tend to be the meme ones though

[pastel yew]

hulkhogryn

[hasty grove]

I call my friend’s Ogryn “Joe Ogryn”

Cus he’s bald with a scraggly beard

[pastel yew]

there was a time where literally every fourth ogryn was called unkle ruckus

[pastel yew]

dude on god

[hasty grove]

OMG I SAW HIM

[pastel yew]

I saw an ogryn called that

and it looked exactly like joe

[hasty grove]

GET YO MANS!?!?!

[pastel yew]

it dat boy!

https://tenor.com/view/fiddling-tunes-music-gif-18221049

[hasty grove]

Silly fella

A true brexit geezer

[pastel yew]

not what you wanna see when you turn around

"got any rashuns.."

[hasty grove]

Have you seen the way they hold stimsv

?*

Looks like they’re offering you a blunt

[pastel yew]

everything looks fun in their hands

the animation for them scanning or placing the hacking skull is great

[hasty grove]

Erm…. “Data Interrogator”? 🤓

Sorry

[pseudo fiber]

ogryn placing a breach charge upside down

[fading yarrow]

I've mastered side dodge sliding

I'm a proper sweat now

I also didn't know I could backslide

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-cheeseball-cat-gun-wizard-wizard-cat-gun-gif-399075498805113450

[hasty grove]

My fav Ogryn thing is their one ordnance just being a box of grenades that they kill with sheer concussive force from the throw

[umbral scaffold]

Logryn Paul drink prime

Probably one my fave names I seen^

[hasty grove]

Who is smarter?

[pastel yew]

god when the skill tree patch dropped

this and smite

used to nuke my fps

logryn paul is a good name

[hasty grove]

I just rendered this Rager like

18 different shades of dead oml

[pastel yew]

shredded to the shadow realm

[naive burrow]

A ogryn killing a mutant with a thrown rock is the only surviving form of comedy in the 41th millennium.

[warm flower]

in high havocs, should I tap plasgun or charge it?

[pastel yew]

I'd be surprised if charging it was ever worth it

if tapping isnt cutting it then

oof

charge just uses too much ammo for what you get

[warm flower]

it obviously isnt cutting it vs some pus-hardened enemies

so im wondering whether tapping or charging up is better, theoretically

i think tapping??

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean I dont think the weapon is designed for the mode

[warm flower]

ok but i didnt ask about it

[pastel yew]

charging may give you better breakpoints but you're going to have 0 ammo

[naive burrow]

If you stop to charge, you gonna get minced by any gunner around

And there is always one around

[pastel yew]

you can dodge n charge tbf

charge n dodge into the open...

doesnt sound good though

[warm flower]

yeah been running into this problem rarely

which actually borned that question xD

[pastel yew]

I feel like you'd just be better of testing to see if exec stance helps you hit whatever breakpoint you're now missing

but then you'd have no shout

[naive burrow]

Also, you'll run dry even faster.
Very little ammo on higher havoc levels.

[warm flower]

exactly

who the fuck runs exec stance lmao

in 30+

[cyan verge]

can't imagine not bringing VoC

[pastel yew]

I mean if you're trying to find a way to make a weapon that isnt meant for that high work

[warm flower]

i hate how little ammo there is ngl

feels overtuned

[pastel yew]

I'm gonna throw it out there

[warm flower]

buddy, LVL40 got beat iwth a plasgun

[pastel yew]

you cant say other things are off the table lmao

[warm flower]

what are you on about?

[pastel yew]

then look at what they're doing

[naive burrow]

Havoc above 25+ everyone has the same build variety as a ogryn.

[pastel yew]

just because they can dont mean you can

[warm flower]

im blocking you ngl

[pastel yew]

???????????

[warm flower]

spewing bs all day

[pastel yew]

am I being autistic like

[warm flower]

yes

[pastel yew]

who is this dude why is he so angry

[warm flower]

bye

[pastel yew]

bye?

chat am I tripping

did I say something or is this person just an ape

[warm flower]

sadly

also feels like a crit spam book is mandatory

[alpine scaffold]

I am just as confused as you

[naive burrow]

The main requirement for veteran on havoc is VoC, anything else is "whatever works "

[pastel yew]

fr man exploded out of no where after already being testy earlier

"thats not what I asked though is it"

oh well

[naive burrow]

I use plasma, but I don't shoot it to even need to pick ammo.
Only if nobody else is using all the ammo i start spaming

[trim tiger]

i got a new cpu. now i can play the game above damnation

[cyan verge]

plasma gun 1 shot = 3 ammo
plasma gun charge shot = 9 ammo
damage of 1 plasma gun shot = 1 plasma gun shot
damage of 1 plasma charge shot = 1.5 plasma gun shot

so charge bad because 3x cost, 1.5x damage. actually even if it's 2x the damage, it's still not worth using

[pastel yew]

hows the cooldown on voc if you're not using your ranged weapon tho

[warm flower]

"i dont shoot it to even need to pick ammo"
as in youre basically not using at all or? not sure i understand

[cyan verge]

VoC has a downtime of 15s before anything else happens

[warm flower]

ty!

[naive burrow]

I use it to remove specials that i really can't get to, but it's a last resort.

[cyan verge]

so for this reason VoC scales basically with difficulty since you are gonna be killing more elites which means you get VoC back more because you ARE taking the elite cooldown node right? idr the name

[alpine scaffold]

Best you can do is shrug it off and keep being yourself!

[naive burrow]

It's fast enough, there is plenty of elites to speed it up.

[pastel yew]

I mean I just assume the source of their anger is something outside of me ngl

[warm flower]

kinda like me, and youre basically not running into much ammo problems? Or rather often? Im currently floating at around 28-30

[pastel yew]

its also the internet, lots of people are just assholes it happens

[naive burrow]

Very rarely I'm low.

[warm flower]

🤔

gotta get my aim game up then lol

[pseudo fiber]

tactical awareness

[cyan verge]

yeah

[pastel yew]

just sitting looking at the name makes me aware that its neither tactical nor really has anything to do with awareness

very random name

not really very fitting

[pseudo fiber]

Plasma can one hit a scab flamer at havoc 40 I believe
Which is very useful

[cyan verge]

shoulda called it somethin badass like "Blood-Cooled Hatred" or something

[pastel yew]

way more metal

[pseudo fiber]

the issue is it can be an ammo hungry gun
in an mode with little ammo

[pastel yew]

yeah its not normally an ammo hungry gun but if all its breakpoints drop out of the one shot range its gonna be way worse

like majorita said though even if it did more damage on the charge its still garbage

its kinda weird it doesnt scale linearly with ammo used

[cyan verge]

yeah, it may as well not have the charge really

actually one of the first things I thought when I first used it since I didn't know anything about the gun I thought oh is this some sort of like wide blast mode or something, for vaporizing hordes, no it's just a charged shot

that would probably be OP if it could then literally do everything but hey

[pseudo fiber]

It'd be good if the light shot wasn't so good at everything

for some god forsaken reason

[naive burrow]

Tap shot shouldn't have that much cleave.

[tall torrent]

if they're not hardened

I think plasma's value greatly depends on what the team needs

it's not a "bring it all the time" gun and that's a good thing

[pseudo fiber]

yup

I've been enjoying using teh laspistol

also gives me an excuse to use the 6th skin

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent i am soo confused https://youtu.be/Mg3iQP5Dgns?si=K83HkPmEH-dak_lB

[tall torrent]

why're u sending me this

I'm not watching it

[orchid hemlock]

because I want to know if Tanner knows something I dont

[tall torrent]

I'm not watching it

stop sending them my way lol

[cyan verge]

lmaooo

it may surprise you but youtube videos don't automatically be... like... effective and useful

[orchid hemlock]

my dude I know Tanner is full of shit, but this is beyond comprehension

[cyan verge]

idk anything about this guy

[orchid hemlock]

I'm asking Path if they are burning the kitchen down with this build

[cyan verge]

the only thing full of shit here is this curio

can they patch this please

[orchid hemlock]

no

[midnight totem]

No

[cyan verge]

no

[stiff vector]

Ayo anyone got tips for a plasma gun build? or is plasma gun not that good?

[midnight totem]

Plasma gun works with every build

You could take every node short of an improved aura

[cyan verge]

how about this

[midnight totem]

And your plasma gun will still be good

[cyan verge]

depends though

this is missing one crucial thing

this isn't say, for havoc is it

because that probably needs its own special thing(?)

[languid terrace]

0 Ammo, but the gun still shoots. Praise the Omnissiah.

[stiff vector]

potentially

[cyan verge]

you might need a specific havoc build then

[cyan verge]

funny how 0% doesn't mean 0%, it means. 100%, I suppose

[tall torrent]

stop asking me lol I'm not gonna watch that guy
u asked me a bunch of times before and I've said no each & every time

[stiff vector]

oh hey vet steam guide man

[orchid hemlock]

😔

[cyan verge]

because I assume weapon stats are 100% baseline and these are bonuses, that go from +60% to 80%

[bitter turtle]

Thats like only 2 stats that matter on the gun

Lol

[serene bough]

What does collateral even do for recon

Ik its dump stat but that's all

[cyan verge]

well

if you mouse over it

[obtuse elm]

Mfw a damnation assasination is easier than the twins in heresy

[cyan verge]

then it'll tell you

[tall torrent]

I tested and it changed no stagger breakpoints for that gun

Therefore it’s completely useless

[uneven mango]

Can I use the shredder frag for long bomb considering its a variation of the frag

[serene bough]

I am not at computer rn so cannot mouse

But thank you for ss

[tall torrent]

Yes

[cyan verge]

this is not the case for ALL of those penances but it works for that one

[serene bough]

Thanks fatshark

[cyan verge]

the only one that does not work I believe is

for ogryn's... 'something in your eye'

[pastel yew]

I mean they're like... a special boss

[cyan verge]

'something in your eye' requires BOX, not frag box

[hollow ibex]

that's how i completed mine

[pastel yew]

the normal assassination boss is a bit of a joke

fun though

[cyan verge]

which one

there's a couple

[pastel yew]

all the captains with the shield

[cyan verge]

well

yeah once you get there

[pastel yew]

sword one bein the most fun

[uneven mango]

Whats the easiest way to do it

[hollow ibex]

i could give you map names, but prob easier for you to just go on YT and look for dedicated guides

since they'll have visuals

[pastel yew]

go into the psykanium

throw bomb and see how long for it to explode

[serene bough]

I forget what's the name of that assassination mission

[pastel yew]

get a feel for the range n grab it somewhere open

[obtuse elm]

Quick throw grenade to group of enemies 30m away at a 60 degree angle

[serene bough]

Not magistrati but the other one

[hollow ibex]

i did mine on hab dreyko's opening, where you overlook a big area

[pastel yew]

I have no idea where I got mine as I'm pretty sure I just got it playing the game

[serene bough]

The one with the big train in the center of the station falling in the hole, I think that's the best place to get long bomb

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah that's a good one too

[serene bough]

From the top of the platform right before you fall down

I wish the missions had more identifying names

[normal sparrow]

Chasm station?

[serene bough]

Yeah chasm station

[hollow ibex]

that sounds right

[serene bough]

Thank you

HL-16-11

[normal sparrow]

Would suggest relay station for long bomb
You have guaranteed horde spawn mid event st the end of the area

[serene bough]

Lots of good spots

[uneven mango]

Hopping on relay rn

[cyan verge]

yeah there is a mission where you just go out to the bridge, toss, get penance, gg

idk

look it up

[uneven mango]

I got it

[vague charm]

Is infernus good for the recon lasgun?

I dont notice fire doing much damage

[hollow ibex]

yes

it does a pretty decent chunk of damage

[vague charm]

fr? I felt like most of it was coming from the constant stream of lasers.

[hollow ibex]

yeah if you have the scoreboard mod installed you can see the damage numbers

but it's usually like a third of my total damage from the gun

[vague charm]

oh dang aight

[hollow ibex]

it's also useful for dealing with annoying shit

[vague charm]

what about head hunter vs dumdum on it?

[hollow ibex]

like bulwarks

[hollow ibex]

still take dumdum because dumdum is dumb

[vague charm]

What about perks? Ive been using flak and unyeilding

[hollow ibex]

i took crit chance and unyielding personally

[carmine arrow]

best melee for hordeclear?

[hollow ibex]

to proc infernus more often

[hollow ibex]

rashad

[carmine arrow]

which is?

[vague charm]

Heavy force sword is amazing from my experience

[carmine arrow]

i recall that having really bad horde clear though O_O

[tall torrent]

u didn't have brutal momentum then

[carmine arrow]

its attacks were very vertical

[vague charm]

Dont you use the push attack on the axes alot?

[tall torrent]

light attack

[tall torrent]

depends on situation

[vague charm]

wrong chat woops

[carmine arrow]

will give it a shot

hows the shock maul for horde clear ?

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ?si=yBZUhnn9DafGAZt8

[mossy heart]

Question for you guys

Some blessings talk about killing an enemy at close range and it buffs the gun

Does that apply to killing enemies with melee at close range?

[tall torrent]

"close range" is 12.5m near player

[mossy heart]

Or just killing with the gun

[tall torrent]

if u mean fire frenzy & deathspitter

those are activated from close ranged kill

[mossy heart]

Ya

So… melee as well?

[tall torrent]

as in, ranged attack kill within 12.5m of player

[mossy heart]

hm

ok…

[tall torrent]

most blessings only work when you have the blessing-equipped weapon in your hand

[tall torrent]

mediocre

[hearty panther]

man i miss when speedload stacked up on your melee kills

it was legit, i swear to god

[mossy heart]

I feel like that should be a thing…

[bitter turtle]

Idk why they changed it

I used it on volver

For zealot

[hearty panther]

ye same

back when forearms were blocking the shot

[cyan verge]

oh @ path is the relic blade actually good, I keep meeting zealots that are like yooo relic god tier best weapon in the game better than duelling sword and I'm like I don't think so

[tall torrent]

Mid tier

It’s basically heavy sword 9 but worse in everything besides carapace damage

[cyan verge]

wow

[broken spade]

heavy sword 9 but it's longer

[tall torrent]

Worse cleave damage distribution (no BM)
Significantly worse move speed
Significantly worse dodge profile
Significantly worse attack speed
Significantly worse attack recovery into block

(It looks cool tho)

[cyan verge]

they are all being fooled by the cool factor

[tall torrent]

Yea I mean

It’s very easy for zealot to inflate their damage by running ahead

It tricks you into thinking the weapon does a lot of damage

[silk bobcat]

Obviously the cooler the weapon the better

[unborn perch]

Even though you are right about that instance.

Relic blade is everything people say it is.

It is god tier

[tall torrent]

Is there a single thing I mentioned yet that isn’t true about relic blades

[silk bobcat]

Very new player question but what gun classes do y’all tend to run

[tall torrent]

You mean as in, what gun to run for which class? Or which class is the “ranged combat class”?

[hollow ibex]

when you put it that way, i really don't feel bad about disliking it

[silk bobcat]

Guns for veterans specifically. By volume I’ve used the recon lasgun the most

[tall torrent]

I saw victuals using it in havoc and Gale told me it was good
So I blew 1M dockets and maxed masteries for all of the new weapons and specifically tried relic blade out for a while
It’s got very clear downsides attached to it but u can sorta cope with most of it with zealot’s kit

[unborn perch]

Having mediocre mobility is a fairly cheap price to pay for such great killing power across the board.

[broken spade]

The dodges are terrible
Movespeed isn't that bad though. Charging the stab attack speeds you up

[tall torrent]

If you’re not playing havoc, the top ranged weapons for veteran are
Zarona Mk IIa quickdraw stub revolver
Vraks Mk V infantry autogun
Recon lasgun (any mk)
Boltgun
Plasma gun

[tall torrent]

-14% dodge distance sucks no matter how u put it

U just cope with it by taking IJ

And the “killing power” is not even that impressive

[hollow ibex]

yeah cope is a good way to describe me playing the relic blade

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t have BM to spread first target damage

[hollow ibex]

going through allllll this trouble, and it's just "ok"

[broken spade]

The range is nice though

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword kills 4 shotgunners in 1 swing
Relic blade kills 1 shotgunner per swing and damages a bunch others

[hollow ibex]

everytime i play it, i just wished i was playing fgs

[silk bobcat]

Gotcha, why the vraks over the agripinaa?

[broken spade]

same

fgs range is insane too

[unborn perch]

I mean, yeah it does but in the other hand you have amazing damage so one balances the other

[hollow ibex]

yeah gotta love it

fgs my beloved

[broken spade]

I actually don't mind doing full melee in blighted because it just reaches so far

don't really have to step as far out of bubble to hit stuff either

long ass thing

[hollow ibex]

good point

[tall torrent]

More predictable recoil
Better innate armor damage modifiers at close range
Better crit string scaling
Faster reload
Faster sprint to fire

[tall torrent]

I think the damage is just ok for what it is

It’s cool for a “u can fight everything” style weapon tho

But it’s not particular best at fighting any specific thing

[unborn perch]

I have seen people 1 shot bosses with it. Saying it has ok damage is a severe understatement. But it is build dependent.

[tall torrent]

I gotta see recordings cuz idk about that lol

One shot what boss

[broken spade]

I don't see how it would

is this a sedition boss?

[unborn perch]

Look it up.

[tall torrent]

Send it

[unborn perch]

God damn it

https://youtu.be/NQz0KNVBUjw?si=LDRMV-bdFtzvPcRy

[tall torrent]

The unyielding damage is not bad
But it’s pretty far from the so-called one shot boss territory lol

[silk bobcat]

Appreciate it, I’ll have to do some more research because that stuff I missed.

[unborn perch]

Watch and weep

[tall torrent]

You mean a weakened beast of nurgle?

Where he chopped off half its health?

And took 2 hits to kill?

Where’s the “one shot”

I’ll take a 48k unyielding damage in 1 hit as a “one shot”

[broken spade]

I'm questioning how i was ever supposed to look this up because nothing that's searchable for this video indicates that it contains a boss one shot

[tall torrent]

Y’all gotta stop baiting with “one shot” because it is not

You can say good boss damage

[unborn perch]

You can still half health a non weakened damnation boss with it. That is still considered “great”. And one shotting a weakened boss is still one shotting a boss.

[broken spade]

where does the weakened boss one shot happen?

[tall torrent]

It’s not one shotting a weakened boss tho lol

[broken spade]

path do you have a timestamp?

[tall torrent]

Are you considering a hit against a non-full-health boss as “one shot”?

What kinda logic is that

[ocean moat]

havoc is absolute hell

4 goddamn monsters at the same time

[tall torrent]

I watched that video and there’s no one shot

It’s like maybe 6k on a Crit weakspot unyielding hit with red stim

Considered weakened BoN (40% normal health)

[pastel yew]

is it a one shot if I dont let go of m1 until its dead?

[tall torrent]

Too many people bait “one shot” when it’s actually not it’s kinda funny

There’s a difference between “good boss damage” and “one shot boss”

[pastel yew]

yee I'd also second weakened bosses not counting as bosses thats

kinda silly

like they are bosses in technicality

but not in spirit

[unborn perch]

Dude the first plague ogryn (like first 30 seconds) was weakened variant but with like a scratch of health missing. If you want to split hairs over that then have the day you deserve

[pastel yew]

nor health pool

it just doesnt really feel that impressive to one shot weakened bosses though

its no like.. zealot 1 billion backstab one shot on a real boss

there are some fun vet boss killers though

the cowboy revolver can blow up normal bosses in six shots which is thematic

[broken spade]

i can't even find the part of the video you guys are talking about

[pastel yew]

the technology to send a timestamped link is still years out I hear

[broken spade]

oh wait it's the intro, not the actual games?

[cyan verge]

oh fr? I've been waiting on that super bad

[pastel yew]

maybe soon....

one day

[cyan verge]

I can put my toaster on the internet but I can't send a timestamped yt video

fuck

[pastel yew]

we still havent figured out the technology to take screenshots without an outside camera

if we're to go by reddit

[cyan verge]

LOL

true

people were doing that in here earlier

[pastel yew]

the rimworld subreddit is

[broken spade]

oh so this

[pastel yew]

honestly so funn for shit like this

[cyan verge]

like that's the fastest way you could think of to show off. anything.

[hollow ibex]

hitting one button is beyond redditors 😭

[cyan verge]

mfw reddit

[pastel yew]

semi regularly you see a post which is just 1/3rd of the screen mobile screenshot with no information and someone asking "why isnt this working?" "why are they doing that?"

[pastel yew]

immeasurably complex

I might start sending screenshots like that ironically to annoy my friends

[hollow ibex]

gaming subreddits are the fucking worst with this

i'm also on rimworld

and the paradox games subreddits

they're all like this

phone screenshots of a CRT monitor

[pastel yew]

gaming reddit is so bad

especially when the state of a game is rough it gets so unbelievably toxic

[tall torrent]

Oh I missed that part, I’ll test it later in game then

I still wouldn’t consider weakened boss 1 shots as true one shots personally

[vale glade]

Haven't played in a long while, any particular talent trees recommended for vet at the moment?

[pastel yew]

definitely not in the spirit of it

it is hillarious watching the pogryn get sent into the stratosphere with the uppercut though

[pastel yew]

all abilities and keystones are good

all grenades.... are actually good too surprisingly

*in some game modes

[broken spade]

how much hp does a weakened pogryn have?

[tall torrent]

24k

So it still wouldn’t be nearly close to an actual boss 1 shot

But pushing 22k is pretty impressive, I guess I’ll check it out

[pastel yew]

I for one am glad there is another weapon that will ruin monstrous maelstrom though

[unborn perch]

I was finna say bro

[pastel yew]

its not like I sign up to play with that condition

[broken spade]

I don't really see how this thing reaches 22k

[tall torrent]

Am not sure if relic blades’ overhead and uppercut do the same damage

[pastel yew]

I Was told they do a few days ago

but grain of salt as not tested

[broken spade]

I think uppercut does slightly more

yeah looks like slightly more

[pastel yew]

they posted screenshots of the damage profiles in this chat but

I will admit I didnt read em

though I am also surprised its able to get so much off

even with dash

and I think rampage? is the blessing usually taken

I guess it just barely manages to be enough

he has inexorable damage buff so

just dodged...

[unborn perch]

One of the relic blade marks has a lot more damage on the heavy swings, also.

[pastel yew]

I know like, very little about zealot breakpoints n such

I understand the skill tree and whats good outside of inexorable which usually just feels kinda eh to me

though weapons are lost on me

not done my nerd homework

okay looking closely at the video

literally the instant he goes to dash in

duelist activates

9 stacks inexorable

[broken spade]

I didn't have every buff up cause this shit is hard to set up, but I can manage 9k. could easily believe 15k is reachable

[ocean moat]

idc what people say about infinitesimally better damage on heavies, mk10 is much better to flail about with

[unborn perch]

I like the mk2

[pastel yew]

from what I'm aware they're mostly evenly matched in strength so

just use the one you like

hoping the next tide game has directional attacking though honestly

it'd remove a little complexity but would feel so much nicer and varied

[frank ledge]

Swing manip, like mord

[still crater]

I miss mordhau 😭

[frank ledge]

patcjie

[cyan verge]

note to self if you join a gloriana havoc just decline and drop party

not fucking worth it

legit did not come here to carry morons who don't know what it means when they have 1 wound left

[frank ledge]

ye you gotta check party

sometimes it's kinda, no, you shouldn't be here

[cyan verge]

we did clear it but like

we got good RNG

and it gave us switches, capacitors, capacitors

if it had given us heat shield or power cells it woulda been GG I think

power cells is just the antimatter of these people

it just spawns and everyone goes uh doy what do I do I guess I stand in the middle and kill the neverending ambient horde

[umbral scaffold]

is mobility the dumpstat for mk iv rapier or is it cleave dmg

[cyan verge]

yes it is mobility

it might be you can sac cleave for better speed if you really want, but like, don't

[frank ledge]

Barely an improvement on mobity and doesn't hit the 6.24 speed to outrun attacks

[cyan verge]

unfortunate

[fiery raft]

anybody got a standard auric shout build?

i wanna try this meta recon lasgun shout build thingy

having never used the recon las much

or with vraks mk5

[runic flower]

agile engagement lol

you're trolling this guy so hard

sooooooo hard

[ebon drum]

Do people not run survialist anymore?

[narrow frost]

Not really worth outside of like 2 guns since the nerf

Guns being plasma and bolter

[runic flower]

p sure its the most used aura

[narrow frost]

Middle aura for pathing

Vet aura doesn't matter, it's just best pathing

[runic flower]

cmon man

[narrow frost]

Man?

[umbral scaffold]

What about instead you laugh like a little baby you give an valid argument?

[fiery raft]

i appreciate it

ill try it out

[narrow frost]

Have fun, don't forget to keep using your shout. It pains me to see it not used too often in public games

[runic flower]

my argument is the following
all of this stuff is useless

[narrow frost]

It comes back fast

[fiery raft]

im a shout spammer, no worries

ive been spamming bolter and getting a little tired of it

and i hear vraks 5 autogun is goated so i wanna try it out

i just prefer ballistic over laser

[narrow frost]

Same

[cyan verge]

there's a crouchwalking vet with a laspistol in this game

wtf

[fiery raft]

what would be a good melee to run with it?

i do have my powersword

but any other options?

besides ds

fuck ds

[narrow frost]

What kind of answer do you want?

use what's fun

We can tell you what's OP

[cyan verge]

power sword is good

DS is good

[fiery raft]

yeah sure, tell me whats op;

[cyan verge]

rashad combat axe is good

[fiery raft]

im curious

[narrow frost]

I use a combat axe with my recon

[fiery raft]

im just thinking since vraks doesnt do very good with bosses no?

[cyan verge]

the only like OP weapons is I guess power sword

and DS

[fiery raft]

i would maybe utilize a melee better against bosses

than hordes

[narrow frost]

Since I take agile engagement and the melee damage nodes, I like the horde clear of the combat axe

[fiery raft]

hmm

[cyan verge]

DS is a boss killer

power sword kills both

[fiery raft]

yeah but i dont have a built ds rn

and im just not a fan of how it looks

[cyan verge]

power sword kills in havoc too which is important

[fiery raft]

though im willing to try it

[cyan verge]

DS is bad in havoc

[fiery raft]

ill just do powersword

why's that?

[runic flower]

LOL

[fiery raft]

dont people salivate over that wep

[cyan verge]

it does but it cannot hordes

[runic flower]

woops was typing something else

but uh, nah the DS handles hordes

just fine

[cyan verge]

not in havoc

[runic flower]

use weapon specialist and you can hordeclear with the DS

idk if he's asking about havoc tbh

specifically

[fiery raft]

not rn

maybe i could do it but im sticking to auric maelstroms atm

[cyan verge]

idc I may as well mention it since havoc is like, important now

[runic flower]

even in havoc, the DS is by far the best elite killer melee in the game

[cyan verge]

yes it's pretty good at that

[runic flower]

AND also handles hordes if you're using weapon specialist

[cyan verge]

but it's not quite as clearcut as it is everywhere else

okay

what level havoc have you played

[fiery raft]

why's that?

[cyan verge]

cuz it's the 'high end' mode where if something is actually good it'll probably work and if it's bad then it'll be useless

[fiery raft]

oh

[cyan verge]

anyway, havoc or not that's like the short list

duelling sword, power sword, combat axe (rashad) and

maybeee combat knife idk

[fiery raft]

i appreciate it

is rashad the heavy spam one?

[runic flower]

not saying its great at killing hordes. just that it handles them
objectively speaking
you take the DS because you can kill elites and specials the fastest, not because it mows down hordes

[tender pasture]

it's the most industrial looking one

is great in regular games but suffers in havoc because it relies on brutal momentum for horde clear

[terse pagoda]

hows the bolt pistol mang

a commissar needs to know

[tawny badger]

slightly worse revolver depending on who you ask

still absolutely solid for single target busting

[fiery raft]

cooler revolver though

[tawny badger]

I just wish you didn’t do that weird jerking thing while ADSing

[paper trellis]

which braced autogun is considered the best?

[hollow ibex]

agri

[hollow ibex]

pretty good for grenade spam build

[rustic beacon]

What are the best perks for the bolt pistol if you run shout and not exec stance for breakpoints?

[cyan verge]

oh I never noticed on refinery that each of the canisters explodes when you clear the hack so it always has 4 hacks and each one is done sequentially so once you have done 3 you know which the last one will be

also, the contents of the canister is super weird, it looks like a man-shaped hunk of flesh that explodes when the hack is complete... kinda neat

[iron marten]

just completed a havoc 33 run

my hands hurt

[fiery raft]

im having such a terrible time trying to do a maelstrom auric without anybody going down

like holy

[chilly sparrow]

Are smokes or kraks better with stealth vet

Trying to get in the flow of using weapon specialist

[somber adder]

Really depends on what your loadout struggles with. If you have good anti armor weapons then kraks might be overkill, if you have a poor anti shooter weapon like the double barrel smokes might be really good for you.

Imo grenades should be treated as something to round out your build unless they're a talent points tax for your build

[cyan verge]

what difficulty

if havoc, then bring smokes

if non-havoc then bring kraks sure

[fringe lake]

is there a mod that lets me see how many people are in 9m range of voc maybe

[cyan verge]

um

it's coherency isn't it

coherency is 8m

so eyeball the little 'skull shield' icon next to people's names in bottom left of your screen

if you see people are in coherency, use it

that's this icon on the right

[fringe lake]

I had no idea that's a thing lmao

thanks

[cedar pecan]

I need to complete a Warren 6-19 havoc mission (24) with pus-hardened and Moebian 21st. I plan on taking plasma gun, VoC and frag nades.
What should my ideal team composition be class-wise?

Sorry if this is isn't the best channel to ask this

[frank ledge]

24 you sre dealing with fading light 1 right?

[cedar pecan]

yes

[frank ledge]

Psyker with bubble, 2 dps (likely an ogryn since they ignore increased mass and stubber htk ain't bad against pus) and your vet should be fine

[cyan verge]

if one is a zealot with book then you'll have a good time

[frank ledge]

Dps wise, I'd suggest a chargelot or another psyker, another vet could get awkward with ammo

VoC already serves book purpose

[cyan verge]

you might think so but you don't take book for the gold toughness you take book for the invulnerability

oh and the suppression is cool too

[frank ledge]

Voidstrike already suppresing and there's no invulnerability past fading light 2, so better to not get used to it

Also lowers dps which is opposite to all I stand for

That and if I'd suggest a mark veteran I'd have to DM Darcy

[cyan verge]

invuln doesn't get disabled from fading light, what

[frank ledge]

Toughness is low enough a single shotgun shot chips you

[cedar pecan]

considering I barely completed the last 2 missions on the third attempt with a almost a full team of auric survivors, I'm inclined to take the safest option

[frank ledge]

2 bubbles then

and a zealot

with icon

[cyan verge]

no I mean you know it literally makes you invulnerable right it's not a toughness thing

[frank ledge]

Complete may be slow but it's safe

[frank ledge]

Ye I meant the toughness break still stuns you

Which is dumb

[cyan verge]

no way

how

you have stun immunity

[elder fiber]

that's the same way ogryns get "stunned" on toughness break

[cyan verge]

that's not just a screen shake thing right

I disabled that shit

[frank ledge]

Idk I removed all shakes, it interrupts hacking even through it, almost cost us a coolant run

[cyan verge]

oh

wow

that's messed up

[frank ledge]

Honestly what does Fatshark mean with stun?

It's not toughness break, atleast for hacking

[cyan verge]

for some reason whenever you get melee it stops you hacking or interacting... but only with some things

SOME things you can interact with while taking melee

for example on gloriana I think pretty much everything in the entire mission if you are melee'd during it, you can continue

the 'synchronisters' or whatever at the power thing

but on other missions, like warren 6-19 for instance

if you are trying to place a det charge and you get hit, instantly knocked out of the animation

crazy annoying

[frank ledge]

Does it prevent you from dropping the battery if toughness breaks?

Never had that happen

[cyan verge]

no whenever you take any damage you drop the battery of course

any melee anyway

and corruption actually

[frank ledge]

ye the annoying floor

THE GOO

[cyan verge]

if you play havoc and step into green goo you take a tick of corruption right, guess what it makes you drop the fuckin cell

oops I experienced a 1% metaphysical corruption of my being I guess I lost my muscles for a second

just flop that cell to the ground

[elder fiber]

slipping and sliding on the goop

[umbral scaffold]

For the first time in havoc i ended up playing for like 10 minutes with only 1hp due to that green goo

[cyan verge]

funny that if you spam jump and bhop you can avoid a lot of it

[elder fiber]

It's okay though because the psyker is holding smite on them to make sure all the slime is spread round when they die

[cyan verge]

you can channel smite while jumping so

you can actually just keep hopping even on goo

and take 0 corruption

[umbral scaffold]

If you chop off their head the goo won't get out?

[cyan verge]

unfortunately enemies just dissolve

[umbral scaffold]

What a fragile piece of shits

Can't even stay in one piece

[obtuse elm]

Anyone here willing to carry me through over watch? I just plan on throwing myself off a cliff

[fringe lake]

is plasma actually good in havoc pugs

I see the insane value if you're in a team but it kinda feels bad to use if not on comms

[frank ledge]

Interesting fact about goo

If enemies are doing a death animation

(like decapitated enemies)

they won't drop the goo till it finishes

Situationally handy for power sword

also goo is buggy on stairs/metal grates

sometimes it appears, in others it doesn't

[somber adder]

Yea stairs have inconsistent floor hitboxes

Sometimes things just vanish through them like fire, grenades or goop

[analog mural]

trying to use voidblast on stairs be like:

[somber adder]

Ooooh yeah true lmao

Totaly forgot about that. That perfectly shows you how messed up stairs are

[cyan verge]

wew

[umbral scaffold]

Don't provoke me, if you know what's good for you

[worldly plover]

🪱

[grand perch]

RASHUN?!

[marsh garnet]

good sniper build??

[tiny haven]

Bolter

Right click

Left click

[balmy flume]

At 31/50, the pain is real lol

[thorny gorge]

whats the best variant of ds

[frail skiff]

What do folks thinks of Out for blood (5% toughness on kill) with a Brauto gun?

[grand perch]

its good

[serene bough]

Mk4

Out for blood is pretty great

[worldly spruce]

is hellbore bad or am I bad?

[grand perch]

they good

[analog yacht]

Out for blood is good, the talent you have to take to reach it is less good.

If you have the points to spare then it's a lot of toughness

Vet is just so bottom heavy in the tree and you typically already want close order drill and confirmed kill

[serene bough]

OfB and Movespeed node make the right side worth for me

Even if one motion isn't that great

[teal canyon]

Did i just fixed 3001 error foreva?

Guys. I fixed 3001 error

[placid portal]

Someone talked about Out for Blood, I really gotta know what people think about it

[brave nymph]

New player question

Guys, is Focused Cooling on the plasma gun good, even? I'm having such a hard time determining blessings on my weapons tbh(i have 48 hours on the game)

I'm having so much trouble making vet work, it feels like every weapon i use shoots like water droplets against carapace except for the dueling sword(this weapon seems op as hell ngl) and the plasma gun

It sucks because i really want to use the recon lasgun but i also want to kill things

i should say im like level 23 on vet

[placid portal]

Recon Lasgun is surprisingly good at killing things, but for carapace you might need certain setups

Guns good vs Cara is Boltguns(&pistol if you land all heads) Helbor MK4, and Zarona with crits + Handcannon

[worldly plover]

generally, people prefer the crit chance and strength blessings on the plasma gun

dont remember the names

[placid portal]

I only know gets hot

I haven't used plasma since beta

[brave nymph]

Also does the bleed dot from the shredder frags apply Onslaught brittleness?

[placid portal]

iirc it did before

not sure now

[worldly plover]

if you want to apply onslaught brittleness, just take an autogun or the recon lg

[placid portal]

or shredder pistol

[brave nymph]

Is the onslaught brittleness enough to make it so they hurt anyone with more than cardboard serving as body armor?

[cedar pecan]

does havoc 25 always have 4 modifiers or am I unlucky?

[worldly plover]

yes, onslaught makes you melt heavily armor mobs woth fast firing weapons

[brave nymph]

Sorry that i have so many questions btw this game is a bit confusing

[worldly plover]

alas, if only the dueling sword did not exist

[brave nymph]

It feels the dueling sword straight up does not care about armor

Speaking of, Uncanny Strike? Or Thrust?

[worldly plover]

uncanny

with riposte or precog

[brave nymph]

Im a critmaxxer at heart

[worldly plover]

riposte for critgoons

[brave nymph]

THERE'S so many awesome nodes at the bottom of veterans tree at all paths ive realized

Feels like talent points are at a premium

[analog yacht]

On one hand yeah but on the other hand it feels almost self selecting

[stoic thorn]

Bolter with weapon specialist my belove

[unborn perch]

What melee weapon are y’all using in havoc for middle tree veteran?

[teal canyon]

Im trying plasma rn and i dons see the appeal of it. How exacly plasma better that other guns? I mean it is strong but in strategic kinda way

[placid portal]

speaking which, what is toughness grace, FS doesn't explain much in these

[teal canyon]

also. did it projectile or hitscan? i cant understand. Im also cant hit head with it for some reason

[unborn perch]

If plasma didn’t have charged shots I’d probably never consider it. Bolter might be slow to pull out but it brings a lot to the table.

[uncut pebble]

Cleave and oneshot potential on bodyshots for many elites, even through a horde, plus its spammability.

[placid portal]

also you don't get punished for spamming uncharged unlike beta

[sullen jackal]

basically, on a short cooldown, after toughness is gone there is a short period I believe where enemies will briefly stop attacking?

[uncut pebble]

Charged shots are irrelevant, just lmb spam for more efficient ammo economy and being unable to explode.

[quasi bison]

It fairly consistently kills a variety of elites and specials, with body shots, or two at worst. Its highly ammo efficient and pretty precise.

[unborn perch]

My weiner isn’t small enough to never do charged shots…

[analog mural]

and immune to suppression

[serene bough]

Well charge shots aren't really worth the squeeze right now

[uncut pebble]

The only time I ever consider charged shots is for outright executing a reaper, because they annoy me.

[teal canyon]

How do i made it do so?

[quasi bison]

tbh it does that vanilla, I never had a particula preference for blessing and such, somebody else might chime in with their favorites.

[teal canyon]

Well. atm its not that powerful since my mastery lvl is low

[serene bough]

Blaze away and optimized cooling are the best picks i believe

Just more damage and shots before reaching 100% heat

[brave nymph]

Wait we are NOT chargemaxxers on the plasmagun?

[fringe lake]

I played a bit of havoc today and I've come to conclusion that Plasma sucks in pugs, I'm sure it's the best weapon if you have a premade group but it eats up way too much ammo, I feel like it has to be either Las Pistol or Helbore if you're pugging it but I don't know shit about those weapons neither do I know anything about Darktide math

with that being said can someone please give me a Helbore or Las Pistol build for Havoc 👉👈

[teal canyon]

Helbore is not optimal

like. at all

[somber adder]

Autopistol is optimal

[ruby hull]

Stab

Stab stab stab

#bringbackbromentumbayonet #justiceforbromentumbayonet

[teal canyon]

you want thing dead and fast.
helbore barelly have a potecial to pick target, yet alone delete packets of targets

the only thing going for it is ammo efficency

[ripe jewel]

i think its mostly because of the absurd cleave it has

[teal canyon]

(i think)

[fringe lake]

but this feels really important in pugs

[teal canyon]

pugs?

[fringe lake]

you never know if psyker is gonna be a gunker

[somber adder]

If you consistently run out of ammo in pugs then you shoot too much unless you're in havoc 30+

[fringe lake]

groups found in group finder

not premade ones

[teal canyon]

ammo efficency on helbore is coming from shooting every 2 seconds

[fringe lake]

around 25ish is what I got to since I started it yday pretty much, it's not always that I run out of ammo, depends on what the hell my teammates are doing, but I just don't feel good hogging up all the ammo on the map with Plasma

[teal canyon]

i hate lasguns in this game and demand them justice

[somber adder]

Are you running survivalist?

[fringe lake]

you get 1% return from elite and that node that doesn't consume ammo if it crits

[fringe lake]

yea

green reaper genuinely takes like 8 shots with plasma to kill

[ripe jewel]

if you want ammo efficiency there'sbetter weapons that are also very ammo efficient though

[somber adder]

I mean, plasma gets fucked by the health increases so breakpoints take two shots instead of the usual one shot at some point so that effectively doubles your ammo usage I guess

[fringe lake]

like what

[somber adder]

Shooting in general just feels pretty ass in high havoc

[fringe lake]

yeah that's what I'm talking about

laspistol feels incredibly efficent to use tho

I just don't know a good build for it

[somber adder]

I wanted to try that with infernus so the dot can take care of pus hardened fuckers

[teal canyon]

laspistol is kinda good. recon kinda ok. other lasguns are bad imo

[fringe lake]

I saw this build by searching discord but running x3 stam curio in havoc seems a little bit crazy to me

[ripe jewel]

yeah

[somber adder]

Idk why you would run 3x stam if you're going agile already but I guess health+toughness are so fucked on havoc 40 that you get basically no return

It feeds deadshot I suppose

It's actually pretty interesting now that I look at it a bit. Everything makes sense in theory. Except thrust on the ds

[fringe lake]

thrust for mutants I guess?

it makes sense in theory until a single scab stalker forces you out of the room

or chips away your hp

[somber adder]

idk high havoc breakpoints well enough to say but there's better blessing I would imagine

[somber adder]

Wdym, how would you prevent that

[fringe lake]

by not running x3 stam curios I guess

idk

it just doesn't feel safe

also the person that made the build also plays in a premade group I think

[true umbra]

I haven’t hosted my own havoc yet so I haven’t received any rewards. What’s even in the reward chests?

[somber adder]

Makes sense, though you do have shout and with -45 base toughness and -35% hp you get way less bang for your buck on hp and toughness curios

[somber adder]

Crafting materials

You also only get to open your chest at the end of the week

[ruby hull]

I love how halved ammo drops doesn't affect grenade boxes but still totally screws over full resupply grenade builds with ammo crates

Very Chad of you fat shark, thanks

[sleek garden]

I brought buffed smokes

[somber adder]

Might just be an oversight where they hardcoded the negative modifier to ammo crates but forgot grenade pickups

[sleek garden]

Game changer

Sorta

[ruby hull]

I sure hope it's the other way around and they just fucked up ammo crates

[fringe lake]

I feel like going x2 stam x1 toughness wouldn't hurt tbh

[sleek garden]

My team was having issues keeping the soyker shield up so I started tossing smokes in front of it and the shooters would push through it right next to our speedy zealot

[ruby hull]

Not looking toward getting one grenade per box

[remote sonnet]

The light hellbore lasgun can rack up burn dot real quick

[sleek garden]

Are you not bringing grenade regen

[somber adder]

If anything I think subjecting grenades to the same negative modifier as ammo makes more sense balancing wise

So I think they'll nerf/fix grenade pickups

[ruby hull]

Oh I have every grenade Regen perk available but when you are also always playing with a nuke ogryn and elites aren't always plentiful, well grenade boxes are already at a lremium

[ripe jewel]

with infernus and what else

[remote sonnet]

Surgical

[ripe jewel]

at that point i dont see why you wouldnt just run the medium helbore tho

[remote sonnet]

Because the light hellbore can charge very quick

[ruby hull]

Won't do it as fast as laspistol but it's more ammo efficient

[ripe jewel]

yeah but you still have surgical

[ruby hull]

surgical is time based not charge based

[ripe jewel]

yeah

and charge takes time

[placid portal]

why bother using blue bore if infantry las ngl

[ripe jewel]

so if youre trying to apply the same amount of burn, it'll take roughly the same amount of time

[placid portal]

other than stab

[sleek garden]

Light is probably more flexible at killing shooters

[ruby hull]

And better armor pen

[remote sonnet]

I know that, it just needs like 3 stacks most of the time to crit

[ripe jewel]

i mean fair

[remote sonnet]

So about 1 full charge of the light hellbore

[placid portal]

fine

[true umbra]

power sword booty cheeks?

[placid portal]

chainsword gamign

[true umbra]

my only real love is the sapper shovel mk 1

haven't used PS in a really long time but remember liking it

is it still as bad as it's initial nerf?

[ancient path]

its just awkward to use.

[ancient path]

considered one of the best weps. just a learning curve for activation cancels and its shit dodging.

[terse idol]

You caann just run armourbane

I gotta test out armourbane vs infernus

On blue helbor

[tawny badger]

it's

well

the power sword is a strong weapon

it just has a glaring issue in its reliance on being activated and having to activate it so frequently

an issue that's further highlighted now that the relic blade is out and feels infinitely better as a power weapon in comparison if you ask me

[terse idol]

It feels better but psword is still

Proooobably stronger than it

And you don't have downtime even if it like yeah

Sucks ass to keep upkeep

[thorn lark]

I thought p-sword mobility was bad. Then I tried relic.

At least the mk6 has a hidden 25 block eff

[terse idol]

I swear path said the mobility on relic was also kiiinda bad

[true umbra]

thoughts on combat shotgun?

[thorn lark]

Yeah iiiit's bad

Especially if you are used to high mobility weapon.

[worldly plover]

only good on weapon specialist builds

[pastel yew]

absolutely not what

[pastel yew]

top 5 weapon

the main thing that makes the power sword so good is that it doesnt rely on any melee support to be great

the mk6 out the box is good horde clear

and deletes crushers with its push attack combo

you take it if you havent got the skill points to make other melee weapons shine

you need power cycler and brutal momentum really for it, sunder apparently is good but I wouldnt really use anything but those blessings

[pastel yew]

crushers and deals high boss damage

[ancient path]

the fast revolver is not really good

[pastel yew]

its a good all round bandaid weapon

[ancient path]

but man is it satisfying lol

[pastel yew]

the cowboy gun?

[ancient path]

yea

[pastel yew]

yeah its... I mean its okay

its worse than the vigilants but it is still super fun

[ancient path]

mag dumping into a mutant is hilarious

[pastel yew]

have you seen the boss damage on it?

[ancient path]

naw

[pastel yew]

if you stack the right buffs you can kill a boss in 1 cylinder of weakspot hits

[ancient path]

just kinda meme'ing rn before going to the gym

oh shit

[pastel yew]

high noon mother fucker

pew pew pew

[ancient path]

im runnning this w/ weapon spec

[pastel yew]

honestly if they just like... made it more accurate I'd be in love