#veteran-class

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cyan verge
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it doesn't have, GREAT mobility

pastel yew
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the ideal balance point for all weapons (if it had sligtly faster attack speed)

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yeah its mobility is rough but that should be the trade off for big damage

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but then you get some weapons that... are really fast and also do more damage?

cyan verge
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yeah I would argue it is somewhat balanced, but

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actually come to think I have forgotten the rashad, that thing also seems to beat carapace fairly well

pastel yew
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the dueling sword is bad against hordes but its not actually that much worse than the chain axe... which is wild

cyan verge
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yeah

pastel yew
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while being better at everything the chain axe does, and having mad defence

cyan verge
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the chain axe is like, marginally better

pastel yew
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mhm

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yeah rashad is good

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its like 3 hits usually

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but less depending on the buffs you have up

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I dont know the balance team is just really confusing

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they play somethings overly cautious then just let clearly broken things run rampant

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balance clearly is not a priority

thorny gorge
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i have to update like 8 mods

cyan verge
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yeah

thorny gorge
cyan verge
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my only guess is they see the DS4 and think, well it can't kill hordes, so, it's balanced

crisp oak
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i have to add in the extra loadouts mod

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running out on my vetaran

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1: hellbore shove, 2: bolter shovel, 3: knife columnus, 4: weapon mastery farming

crisp oak
cyan verge
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it does

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that somewhat makes sense though

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well

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kinda

crisp oak
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btw, whats the deal with the infantry lasgun?

leaden skiff
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It's the gold standard?

cyan verge
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it's good in havoc cuz it hits a lot of breakpoints or something and is a lasgun so it can retain ammo relatively efficiently

pastel yew
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the knife has pretty good horde clear

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from my understanding real good

cyan verge
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they're about on the same level imo

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you still gotta like keep them off you while you're stabbing one guy to death at a time

pastel yew
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I'm pretty sure the knife clear with push attacks is super speedy though

lusty jewel
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What perks do you want on vet power sword

cyan verge
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power cycler and... brutal momentum I think

lusty jewel
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Carap and flak?

cyan verge
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oh

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perks not blessings

pastel yew
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iirc

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I like unyielding since the push attack on the mk6 is real good

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maniac too

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wait which mk

lusty jewel
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So unyielding and maniac?

pastel yew
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3 or 6

lusty jewel
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Oh uh

pastel yew
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the 6 is objectively better but, I know some like 3

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everything I say only applies to the mk6, for 3 you'd have to check the guide

lusty jewel
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It’s currently 3 but I could change it idk

pastel yew
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the 6 is much better

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because with the 6 you can cancel the power up animation

lusty jewel
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Is 6 god for crowds?

thorny gorge
pastel yew
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and the shove attack > light 1 insta kills carapace

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im not sure why it makes you to take elite

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I'll be honest

lusty jewel
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How is it on crowds

trim steppe
pastel yew
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p good

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I mean its not like... the best

lusty jewel
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I usually use melee for crowds cuz I use Lucius las as my main

trim steppe
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6 has horizontal lights so its better at crowds than the 3

pastel yew
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but the powersword is that good white bread option for when you have no melee skills

lusty jewel
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I also normally use the shovel cuz I’m going full krieger

pastel yew
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other weapons are better with the melee skills but the ps is best without em

lusty jewel
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But since I have a good sword roll

pastel yew
trim steppe
lusty jewel
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It does yeah

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Gotcha

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I might switch mk then

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If I’m ever not using the shovel

pastel yew
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mmh

lusty jewel
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I just rolled a shovel with 80 in everything and 60 in mobility

pastel yew
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you need brutal momentum and power cycler though to make it feel real good

trim steppe
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the 6 is just better than the 3, the only thing I like more about the 3 is that it doesnt have any slowdown on activation

balmy flume
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I am downed In a very strange game.
Map: Amphitheatre with Stim samples.

(1) I have never met a group that holds the corner opposite of the med station until I met this group.
(2) I have never met a group that holds the Airlock to kill a Plague Ogryn and horde.

Which wouldn’t be annoying if the above tow didn’t lead me to die twice because I didn’t see the strat coming.

pastel yew
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you cant cancel the animation on the mk3 though which

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makes it rough

lusty jewel
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How do you cancel

trim steppe
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but yeah the 6 is better

pastel yew
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so if you use the mk6 and you see a boss or crusher what you do is

lusty jewel
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Gotcha

pastel yew
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activate > block > shove attack > light chain

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and you'll explode them

lusty jewel
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Nice

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That’ll be good whenever they get too close for my Lucius

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I’ve got a Lucius with 80 in everything but ammo

hollow rose
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what is the point of having shield psyker on havoc 20+

trim steppe
hollow rose
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if your 2 zealots run out of said shield and die to grunt shooters

hollow rose
thorny gorge
cyan verge
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I believe they are useful yeah, it's been said like ohh the bubble pops really fast but you really should be playing around chokepoints and stuff, and bubble can give you the space to actually take shots

thorny gorge
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les go

hollow rose
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but looking at so many random players I tried to play with, they dont really see any point in not dying

cyan verge
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yeah I was playing with someone yesterday who was like oh we lost 2 attempts? I guess I have to DO EVEN MORE DPS AND TRY EVEN HARDER (no bonus points for guessing his class)

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and I was just like, uh, well, I mean... yeah, let's... do it.

hollow rose
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tox gas mod is basically unwinnable for me

cyan verge
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lol

hollow rose
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i see it and I straight up know I'm playing solo on this one

cyan verge
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oh

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oh you mean like that

hollow rose
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yeah

cyan verge
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I was just about to say, well, there's safe spots EVERYWHERE, med stims EVERYWHERE, and it just encourages you to play slowly, safely, and not to rush which makes the game even easier since yuo play safer by force

hollow rose
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Like, i run towards a free space, ping it, shout at my team to even get them more toughness, start removing gas bombers, and see my entire team sit in the gas dropping to 1/3 of hp on the first horde

cyan verge
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some maps are more annoying than others though, like uhh there's one mission on hourglass I think, where, the tox gas has HUGE open safe spots around the map so you're never really like in any danger, it's uh excise vault I think

cyan verge
hollow rose
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i really not having fun after 20lvl havoc

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until then it was eh, whatever, can deal with shit

cyan verge
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yeah

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that's I think when it's just okay you have a party, you have to have these things, now you can win

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you cannot go with like 1 vet 2 zealots 1 ogryn it's just not gonna work

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WELL

gritty mural
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90% of weapons are useless after 28+ havoc and you can tell fatshark balanced the mode after plasma gun and dueling sword

hollow rose
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20+ you get 2 bosses at the same time, grunt shooters melting you in seconds, 20 tox bombers at the same time and mobs are so fkin tanky i legit need 5-6 bolt pistol shots to down a glowing elite gunner

cyan verge
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captain plus a normal boss is like really rude tbh

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I am not sure which is the worst, I think probably captain + chaos spawn

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plague ogryn isn't too bad imo

hollow rose
cyan verge
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yeah

umbral scaffold
cyan verge
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why do people call it book anyway

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maybe cuz it's easier than "chorus of heavenly virtue" or whatever its name is

hollow rose
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it has a book on the icon

cyan verge
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yo really

hollow rose
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ye

cyan verge
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I don't look at icons

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oh yeah it does

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that's cool

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yeah 'book' is godly on havoc

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you can use it for so many things

tall torrent
cyan verge
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yeah there's always exceptions

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but

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if you're playing with people who don't know how to play havoc

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then

tall torrent
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Shield taunt ogryn who role plays as smoke/bubble shield
2 flamer zealot
1 veteran with shredder & laspistol

hollow rose
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I really dont like setting up a lobby and checking people by their havoc level and frames, but it feels like I either let in a guy who seems to have many hours or just lose

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feels gatekeepy af

cyan verge
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SHREDDER? oh you mean, shredder nades, I see

cyan verge
steep grail
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shredder nades <3

cyan verge
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I raised this issue on the forums in feedback and everyone said (including a fatshark person) like "well just don't play with toxic players who gatekeep" and I'm like bro you designed it to make people play that way, you know this right

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no one using party finder and saying GOLD PRESTIGE DWARVES ONLY in deep rock galactic

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now those guys know how to make a game

hollow rose
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guess who got demoted again, because my team wiped on first toxgas horde 3rd time in a row

cyan verge
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oof

hollow rose
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i go to safe zone, suddenly realize im alone vs 5 crushers and a horde, look at healthbars and see 3 people at 1/4 hp 30 seconds into the horde

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jesus christ

pastel yew
cyan verge
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see two parties
request
both parties instantly disappear
FUCK

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LET ME IN

pastel yew
cyan verge
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yeah

pastel yew
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I honestly dont get who this feature was even for in the first place

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if you want to find a party

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why wouldnt you just use discord

hollow rose
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I feel like this game mode is just a massive fuck you to solo players

tall torrent
pastel yew
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just

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doesnt sound very engaging for them

cyan verge
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btw how does the shield plant work, it seems when I have used it you get like 360 degree permablock

hollow rose
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sounds like shield ogryn alright

cyan verge
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so what even beats, it, trapper, mutie, dog?

pastel yew
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cc, guns that arent ahead of you

hollow rose
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I assume the clearance resets weekly

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doesnt it

pastel yew
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I think it goes down by 1?

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someone can confirm that for me though as I'm unsure

cyan verge
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oh can guns get you from the sides, alright

pastel yew
cyan verge
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clearance goes down by 1 if you have not played and cleared anything

hollow rose
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So i'm not stuck in a perpetual waste of time if i dont get to 40 weekly

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how nice of you fatshark

cyan verge
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yeah

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no you do not have to do 40 WEEKLY

pastel yew
tall torrent
pastel yew
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if the havoc 40 box is real good

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maybe its worth

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but resource acquisition is already good in maelstrom and you dont really get resources from actually playing the missions to hit hav04

hollow rose
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define "real good"

drowsy aspen
pastel yew
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not worth

drowsy aspen
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How can they make it harder without it being like this

terse idol
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Aannd you're here for lfg

terse idol
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Like flat Havoc

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And then we spice things up with Auric Havoc

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And then Havoc +

stuck gorge
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endless horde for the whole map KEKW_ogryn

reef pendant
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YES

terse idol
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It'd just be like catacylsm but playable

alpine scaffold
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What are the current thoughts about the Devil's Claw? I maxed it out and have been using it this week (Shred & Rampage). It seems to get the job done for getting out of a crowd, but can't land any good strikes on the bigger guys. What type of builds are good for the DC?

tall torrent
stuck gorge
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your main armor dmg is your parry.

alpine scaffold
pseudo fiber
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I played with a guy running devil claw in havoc 35

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that was fun

pastel yew
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you can one tap them with the parry but

terse idol
pastel yew
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its finicky and not really something thats reliable in good combat flow

terse idol
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To rely on the parry

pastel yew
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yeah its real bad

terse idol
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For armour Sitgryn

tiny haven
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Just spam it and hope you get a parry

pastel yew
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it is the only option though

terse idol
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Don't spam ot

tiny haven
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That way either what ever happens gets fucking obliterated

terse idol
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You WANT perfect parries

tiny haven
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Or you get downed

pastel yew
terse idol
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So you're not looking to spam the parry

pastel yew
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hitting the counter attack on ogryn head while in fight

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not so easy

terse idol
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You're looking to get the parry counter attack

pastel yew
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the parry window on the sword is massive

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like 5 years

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give or take

terse idol
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Well yeah

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But a 1 day period for the perfect parry

pastel yew
terse idol
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It feeeeeels terrible to miss a perfect on a crusher and do the funny hang signals

pastel yew
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that deals more damage?

alpine scaffold
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well it seems that the DC is not for Havoc...I will need to continue my search for a suitable melee for Havoc.

tiny haven
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That’s what I like to think

terse idol
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Well you just have the perfect parry which doesn't break your parry and counter attacks on the crushers

pastel yew
terse idol
tiny haven
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Just pretend it’s the internet

pastel yew
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all my hours in dark souls paying off

tiny haven
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Nah with dark souls you dodge roll

pastel yew
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break your parry...

tiny haven
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It’s sekiro that pays off

pastel yew
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wait so

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what is the mechanics off the parry I'm so confused

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my understanding is

terse idol
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So

pastel yew
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press button

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big window

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all the same effect

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with the counter attack

terse idol
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You press the button

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Right before something that would

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Break your parry

pastel yew
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wdym by "break your parry"

terse idol
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And you parry it and do a counter attack and don't get opened up

tall torrent
pastel yew
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I've never had that happen before

terse idol
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Like if you parry early on a crusher overhead

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You do the funny open arms

pastel yew
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is that not just the parry running out

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and you blockng the attack

terse idol
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If you perfectly parry a crusher right as it hits you

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You counter attack, don't like get stuck

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And do a counter attack

naive burrow
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if you're not tanking a demonhost, you should not be using the shield plant at all.

pastel yew
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okay I might have just been perfect parrying this whole time, and assuming any block was just the parry window running out

terse idol
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Hmm

pastel yew
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if thats the case the perfect parry window is still huge

tiny haven
terse idol
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Like you'll know if you get hit by a crusher during parry and you didn't time it as soon as it hit you

pastel yew
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does anyone have the numbers on the parry window

terse idol
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I really need a video comparison

tiny haven
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Was gonna say Brad test Now (he watches warp sorcery happens as his entire health bar disappears(he failed the timing))

pastel yew
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for such a core mechanic to a weapon I cant seem to find concrete numbers online

pastel yew
terse idol
pastel yew
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no personal accountability I play perfectly I promise

terse idol
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Okay appearently the perfect parry window is 200ms

pastel yew
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eons

hollow rose
tiny haven
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Tbf fair argument the existence of nurgle affects us all

hollow rose
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giga hard af

pastel yew
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200 ms is what.. 12 frames? at 60fps

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that's double baikens parry in ggst

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which is only 6

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that's a mega window

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its not even a fair comparison as in a fighting game not only is the window small but there are no windups, all the attacks come out fast

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I can see getting psyched out by the overhead and doing it early though

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same in darksouls... the hardest enemy to parry is the lvl 1 longsword grunt

alpine scaffold
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alright since the DC and Chainsword do not seem to be ideal for Havoc, what is the best melee for it? From what I have been seeing, the higher level missions leave little room for customization/personal preference.

pastel yew
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because he holds his attack for eons

pastel yew
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got them dots, got good defence, good everythin

alpine scaffold
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do you get damage boost for backstabs? or is that only for zealot?

pastel yew
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the double damage backstab is part of the zealot stealth kit

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dont think it makes much difference for vet, might be wrong though

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my combat blade knowledge is shakey at best

cyan verge
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is it even double damage

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oh wait it might be

alpine scaffold
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Ah no worries! I think I will give the knife a go. I need to level it up a bit first. I used to roll with the tact axe before the weapon revamp.

cyan verge
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+100% damage +100% crit or something

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oh and +100% finesse damage

pastel yew
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100% backstab 100% finesse and 100% crit chance

cyan verge
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that's pretty sweet

pastel yew
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thats a big boost

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gyad damn

cyan verge
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though I would never use that in havoc

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because you have to take book

pastel yew
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you can get it up another 50% finesse and 50% weakspot too

alpine scaffold
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That backstab for zealot gets the business done lol

pastel yew
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big stab for real

cyan verge
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it's just unfortunate it's 1 crusher and then you have 15 more to deal with afterward

terse idol
pastel yew
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honestly so many enemies in elden ring abuse that though

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the holding their attack to psych out a dodge

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its so common

cyan verge
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it's very annoying

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many people were unhappy about that on release

pastel yew
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I kinda vibe with it, a lot of the complaints were unfounded imo

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but

cyan verge
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it's not just that they hold it but they have variable timing

pastel yew
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I say that as someone who has beaten all the ds games and stuff so

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to me its adding some depth, to them its going to just be way harder to get into as a new player

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as a big flaw in the combat system is you can just roll forward into every attack with 0 thought

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in elden ring positioning and timing actually became important

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good change

cyan verge
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I think smelter demon 2 was their earlier version I can think of where they were experimenting with messing with that

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cuz he can alternate between holding attacks to bait you to dodge so you roll into them

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and it's incredibly rude

pastel yew
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not actually completed ds2 I wont lie...

drowsy aspen
cyan verge
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and elden ring is basically all of that

pastel yew
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I've tried twice and gotten bored both times

cyan verge
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well

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that's in the DLC

pastel yew
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a shame because the game has loads of interesting ideas

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I've heard the dlc is good also

cyan verge
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the DLC is probably the best part

alpine scaffold
cyan verge
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it's a lot of kaizo stuff but the bosses are fun

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fume knight in particular is one of my favorite bosses in the series, he's just a lot of fun

pastel yew
cyan verge
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my favorite DS though is dark souls 1

pastel yew
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if they cut out like 30-40% of the bosses and really polished what was left

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ds2 could have been the incredible

cyan verge
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yeah dark souls 2 has problems, it has a lot of problems

pastel yew
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like I said it has loads of cool ideas its just spread so thin

cyan verge
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I mean the big one for me is just the iframes on roll depending on your agility which is derived from adaptability + attunement, like.... W T F.

pastel yew
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... what

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I knew adaptability had a hand in it but

cyan verge
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yeah if you didn't know that

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yeah.

pastel yew
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attunement? KEKW

cyan verge
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attunement.

pastel yew
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thats so dumb

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I think I also just came at it at a really bad itme

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after beating 1 and 3 like 10 times each

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so the game didnt have much challenge for me that didnt exist before or had been iterated on since

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the uhh

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ruin sentinals? the three guys

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I struggled with them but thats because I found out I did them massively out of sequence

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which lead to a real funny encounter where... I found an elite enemy, then when I went back to the pirate cove he was a boss

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bro got a promotion

cyan verge
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lol

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okay wow

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I think I can see what path you must have taken

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yeah

pastel yew
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he's just before one of the major bosses

cyan verge
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yeah

pastel yew
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that boss took most of the steam out of my sails ngl

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his intro is so fucking killer

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but ... I was constantly waiting for a phase 2 that never came

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I assumed the centipede was gonna burst out or

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something was gonna happen but he just dies

cyan verge
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anyway the moral of the story is don't bring the dclaw to havoc

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ever

pastel yew
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lmao

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shame, cool weapon

torn geyser
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Is the combat axe any good or am I just having delusions because I'm trash?

cyan verge
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get the rashad

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it's godly

pastel yew
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its S tier but you need to build it a really specific way

cyan verge
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idk about the other marks

pastel yew
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you need brutal momentum and slaughterer

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there is no flexability

ancient path
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theyre all trash but if i wanted to play with combat shotties, which one is the least trash

bitter turtle
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headtaker

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not slaughterer

pastel yew
cyan verge
pastel yew
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I forget their names

cyan verge
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oh

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I should read actually

pastel yew
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no you reread!

cyan verge
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yeah

pastel yew
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;p

ancient path
torn geyser
pastel yew
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I think the flame one has the benefit of being able to kill snipers very easily

pastel yew
cyan verge
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oh, does it at LEAST do that

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I have never seen anyone get any effectiveness out of any of the shotguns

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except the double barrel

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which does at least vaporize one guy right next to you

pastel yew
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you want the rashad

bitter turtle
pastel yew
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I think the unarmored breakpoint isnt worth taking unarmored for ngl

cyan verge
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I would say the slug shotgun could be decent but it has like a bit over half the damage of a boltgun, and only a little more than like a lasgun, so, I wouldn't recommend using that

pastel yew
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the sluggy is fun

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its pinpoint accurate on hipfire with the slug

torn geyser
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OK and you level up blessings by leveling them in perks?

cyan verge
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oh

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that does sound funny

pastel yew
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which is really useful to avoid suppression or to fire on the move

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mhm its the only reason I like the weapon xd

cyan verge
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you see this tab? this is your blessings

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pastel yew
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same with the vraks mk7 or whatever its called now

ancient path
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i kinda feel like memeing a bit with combat shotties but

pastel yew
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the combat shotties are good enough to use

cyan verge
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if you use a weapon enough you get levels in mastery, you spend mastery to unlock blessings

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now, hadron can put those blessings on your weapon

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this is how blessings work

pastel yew
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the best way to level mastery is by scrapping weapons though

alpine scaffold
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Max out your weapon level and you can pick whatever blessing you want for it

torn geyser
cyan verge
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nope

pastel yew
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you wanna sacrifice weapons to the weapon you're leveling, shotgun to shotgun etc

cyan verge
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you get enough points once you max it to unlock every blessings

torn geyser
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Ehhhh duck

cyan verge
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so just use it more tbh

torn geyser
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Oh well lol

pastel yew
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its not that costly to level a weapon

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just buy loads of combat axes, upgrade them once to green, then sacrifice them to hadron

alpine scaffold
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Doesn't take long either. I am currently getting my knife level up

cyan verge
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in fact, there's one weapon in the game, where you get more points than you need.....................

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get well soon psykers

bitter turtle
alpine scaffold
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yea I have this issue

pastel yew
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you just need head taker stacks

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literally like

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1 stack

terse idol
pastel yew
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so the only time it makes a difference is the first hit of any fight

tiny haven
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I saw rashad axe talk

bitter turtle
tiny haven
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I love that shit

bitter turtle
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taking every melee talent?

terse idol
bitter turtle
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cause no you cant

pastel yew
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yeah for the rashad?

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you're supposed to take the melee talents

terse idol
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What else are you gonna take

cyan verge
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the rashad is worth it

terse idol
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Flak and cara

pastel yew
terse idol
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But then you're still doing the same thing befooore

pastel yew
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but the occasional 2 shot on a bruiser isnt the worst

terse idol
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Without flak you need a stack of headtaker

pastel yew
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better to have good breakpoints on the elites

torn geyser
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I'm a bit confused lol

tiny haven
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Go for that weakspot damage beautiful

terse idol
#

Without unarmoured you need a stack of headtaker

cyan verge
terse idol
torn geyser
#

I went for stamina and sprint efficency 🤣

pastel yew
bitter turtle
pastel yew
#

honestly I mean

tiny haven
#

Not enough you say?

terse idol
#

This is the difference of +25 damage

bitter turtle
#

why would you even run something that is unarmored anyway

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flak is useless

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maniac is useless

terse idol
#

Flak is okie

pastel yew
terse idol
#

Vs dredge brusiers

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Lol

pastel yew
#

I'd never use the rashad outside of full melee weapon spec build

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doesnt really sound that good or fun without

terse idol
#

Again it's because of the horde clear and ease

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But yeahhh

tiny haven
terse idol
#

You can run without either

bitter turtle
#

im using it at 37 with only 5% melee as my melee focus talent

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its fine either way

pastel yew
terse idol
#

Not ideal

pastel yew
#

10% of the weakspot damage or something stupif

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so its tiny

terse idol
#

Or well

tiny haven
#

Really?

pastel yew
#

its not 10% of your normal weapon damage

terse idol
#

The ideal is just meeting the 3 hit crusher bp

pastel yew
#

yeah its completely worthless on almost every weapon in the game

terse idol
#

And then whatever after that

hasty grove
#

Any recommendations for making a infantry lasgun viable later in the game?

pastel yew
hasty grove
#

I like to use it for my Guardsmen grunt outfit

pastel yew
#

exec stance, deadly accurate + surgical...

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3x stam curios potglare

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the stam curio is a joke hto

hasty grove
#

I have voice of command

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Depending on my loadout I’m either in the frontline or backline spamming it

bitter turtle
#

btw

pastel yew
#

exec stance infantry lasgun is already p good though

hasty grove
#

With my guardsmen loadout I’m backline

pastel yew
#

its kinda hard for a weapon to be bad with exec stance

bitter turtle
pastel yew
#

oh if you have shout then its rough

bitter turtle
#

this is with desperado + 5%

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so unless ur taking literally 10% and desperado too

pastel yew
#

I had the 10%

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like I said

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full melee

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which is what you want for the rashad really

tall torrent
hasty grove
tall torrent
#

Default is like 504 unarmored weakspot

bitter turtle
#

this is 5 stacks with only 5% melee

pastel yew
#

which mk are you using?

hasty grove
#

Good question

tall torrent
hasty grove
#

Sorry, im a newbie from the PS5 release 😭

pastel yew
torn geyser
#

Me too.

pastel yew
#

double welcome!

terse idol
#

How much cleave through?

pastel yew
terse idol
#

My brain

pastel yew
#

enough

terse idol
hasty grove
#

Lasgun MK VII

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Heres my guardswoman loadout ^

pastel yew
solemn niche
pastel yew
#

it just feels like a pea shooter

solemn niche
#

which one of you was he

pastel yew
#

wild seeing basically normal auric kill numbers then

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everyone at 1mil damage

#

jesus christ

bitter turtle
#

yea

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thats normal at super high havoc

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1m+ dmg on 3 people

solemn niche
#

lots of armored waves, they have high hp

bitter turtle
#

lol

cyan verge
tall torrent
#

Havoc spawns barely any

alpine scaffold
#

Just maxed out the combat blade, what are some good blessings/perk combos for higher level Havoc

cyan verge
#

DOES havoc spawn any? I thought it spawned literally none

alpine scaffold
tall torrent
cyan verge
#

wow really

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interesting

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I have only seen plasteel from idols

tall torrent
#

I think?

alpine scaffold
#

interesting

tall torrent
#

Oh prob idols

#

Not from crates & pickups

cyan verge
#

it's funny they didn't remove idols for some reason

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I guess that's okay

cyan verge
solemn niche
pastel yew
cyan verge
#

you just spammed book + VoC I guess

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yeah I like the idols too

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some are in like really toxic places tho lol

pastel yew
#

back in my day there was fuck all to find 👴 1000 yellow boxes and literally all of them empty

cyan verge
#

still makes me mad when you see a 3 item crate 0 items in it

pastel yew
#

big tease

cyan verge
#

like at least gimme a small plasteel as a consolation prize

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come on

pastel yew
#

yeah for real

cyan verge
#

don't be stingy

bitter turtle
#

@tall torrent what ranka re you rn btw

tall torrent
#

If only there’s a way to convert plasteel to diamantine now

bitter turtle
#

idk if you can host a higher level game

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lol

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waiting around for 37+ i s annoying

cyan verge
#

there should be like 15 resources tbh

pastel yew
tall torrent
bitter turtle
#

my fault for trying to do the help 50 penance for cosmetics i guess

pastel yew
#

I aint ever got plasteel or money

bitter turtle
#

damn

tall torrent
cyan verge
#

I am excruciatingly poor

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pastel yew
#

even with my +30% ordo dockets I'm scroungin for pocket change

tall torrent
#

And tbh I just want the cosmetics

cyan verge
#

if therer was +plasteel +diamantine on curios

bitter turtle
#

ye that's fair

cyan verge
#

I'd cheat and have 99 curios each with +plasteel and +diamantine

tall torrent
pastel yew
tall torrent
#

This armor is so peak

bitter turtle
#

i like how the new armor

cyan verge
#

it's kind of nice...

bitter turtle
#

is cooler than the penance one

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tfw grinded all those poitns for nothing

pastel yew
tall torrent
#

I spent like a day to do 5.5k penance points

cyan verge
#

idk how

pastel yew
#

its always good to have more armor though

tall torrent
pastel yew
#

you have more to mix and match

bitter turtle
#

yea i got 5.5k after a few days

tall torrent
cyan verge
#

I am... 4775 and I have been trying my ass off at penances

bitter turtle
#

but that initial 5k

cyan verge
#

but I haven't cleared every auric yet, so I guess I have more to do

pastel yew
bitter turtle
#

playing ogryn WhenLifeGetsAtNier

pastel yew
#

its one of the paid ones but the uh.. .one with the chain mail patch?

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those legs are dope

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go with almost everything

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while not being super uniform

tall torrent
#

Nah I think M53rd is the best looking for free unlocks

cyan verge
#

currently stressing about this

image.png
tall torrent
#

Paid section I think veteran’s prosthetics are the best

pastel yew
#

yeah think I'm actually gonna start the penance grind...

tall torrent
pastel yew
#

now that havocs a bust for me

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I did a mission earlier trying to et the accuracy and no melee damage ones

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and took 1 point of melee damage

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and didnt get it...

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livid

cyan verge
#

lol

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good description

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yeah

#

the one thing that sucks is

alpine scaffold
cyan verge
#

the bruiser guys can chip you out on the first hit

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which sucks so hard

pastel yew
#

I'm guessing toughness damage to melee doesnt matter though right?

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and itll be fine

tall torrent
pastel yew
#

I think I'll get it on my next run just missed it as I was trying to drain my double barrel of shells to get the accuracy one

cyan verge
#

so how it works is your first hit to toughness in melee does not, or usually doesn't subtract from HP

bitter turtle
#

yeah cause its slow

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honestly

cyan verge
#

so you can take like 1 hit in melee, from most junk enemies, but

pastel yew
#

arent the ogryns not actually even that slow?

bitter turtle
#

i tried psyker a couple of times in 35+ havoc

tall torrent
#

I think u had like a lv28 ogryn and gave up

bitter turtle
#

never again

cyan verge
#

if you take a second hit below full toughness, yeah oof

bitter turtle
#

unless im with premade

pastel yew
#

they feel way slower than they are

cyan verge
#

chip damage

pastel yew
#

because of the height

bitter turtle
#

cus im using force gs and i got left behind by pugs

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lmao

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had to fight my way back solo to the respawn point to pick them up

cyan verge
#

ogryn is okay but veteran is my favorite by a lot

pastel yew
#

yeah the ogryn is same sprint speed as the psyker

bitter turtle
#

cause i got cut off when they sped off w/o me

pastel yew
#

though without anything else that might boost

cyan verge
#

ogryn though plays kinda like the team babysitter

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you are in charge of picking people up etc

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and it's pretty frustrating sometimes

bitter turtle
pastel yew
#

I love playing with ogryn unless they have a weapon that dsplaces the enemy

bitter turtle
#

im missing the knock over 60 enemy with bullrush penance though

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just couldn't make it happen

pastel yew
#

I swear to god the number of one shot kills I've misse dbecause the ogryn decided to stagger the enemy for 2 damage at range

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its like the trauma staff

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I'd rather uninstall the game forever than play with that on my team

bitter turtle
#

speaking of getting annoyed at ppl moving the enemies around

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its funny

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havoc made me change a lot of opinions on certain talent

tall torrent
bitter turtle
#

im taking +50% suppression now potatonier

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lmao

cyan verge
#

yeah

bitter turtle
pastel yew
#

I mean theres just no need for suppression in normal darktide idk

cyan verge
#

pus hardened is bad, blight is bad, but together it's like well okay do you not want me to play the game then?

tall torrent
pastel yew
#

I can see why it would be good in havoc though since all cc seems strong

tall torrent
#

Just run a laspistol

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Trust

bitter turtle
#

im unironically running recon

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cause infernus

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and good ammo efficiency

cyan verge
#

also you know vent, it makes me so mad that enemies see just fine in ventilation

bitter turtle
#

if only sneaky was here to see recon become actually pretty top tier imo

pastel yew
#

but

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vet smoke grenades?

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impossible

cyan verge
#

lmao

#

you're so right

terse idol
#

Vet smoke has IR chaff

pastel yew
#

I gotta admit I love the sniper purge condition though its one of my favourite

cyan verge
#

yeah that's definitely why(!)

terse idol
#

Vent smoke is just fart gas

pastel yew
#

like way higher tech

terse idol
#

Its the futur

tall torrent
terse idol
#

They could have infrared disrupting stuff inside the smoke

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Lmao

bitter turtle
#

oh i see

cyan verge
#

they could

#

but they don't

pastel yew
#

at least in dark heresy you had smokes and you had blind? grenades

cyan verge
#

otherwise it'd probably say so

bitter turtle
#

also im unironically considering twinning blast

tall torrent
terse idol
#

DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO WHEN THE SMOKE DIDNT BLOCK SNIPERS?!

pastel yew
#

the IR baffler grenades were giga tech

terse idol
#

I gotta mental gymnastics my way

pastel yew
cyan verge
#

lol

terse idol
#

😌

pastel yew
bitter turtle
#

ill give laspis a try too

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are you running dumdum or infernus

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im not sure which is better now vs hardened enemies lmao

pastel yew
#

you cant..

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😠

#

big sad

tall torrent
#

Also

#

Smokes are legitimately good

bitter turtle
#

yea

#

they are

cyan verge
#

in havoc

bitter turtle
#

well i always thought they were good after buff

tall torrent
#

Pus-hardened shotgunner waves are nightmare fuel

bitter turtle
#

frag still king though

#

i think kraks are useless ngl

tall torrent
#

Yea

#

I think u either smoke or frag

bitter turtle
#

i wish smoke stopped bombers

#

thats my only complaint

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and theonly thing worse about it vs dome

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that i would consider significant i mean

cyan verge
#

I hate bombers so much

#

their AI is so toxic

bitter turtle
#

idk why they get to see through the smoke and throw anyway

cyan verge
#

they just stand like 300m away behind a wall and throw a grenade exactly where they want it

old quail
#

krak has some specific utility in the higher end when elite waves are more likely to be ~30+

pastel yew
#

on bomber ai, is it me or is the tox bomber ai just way better than the regular bomber?

#

the tox bomber is fuckin kobe, throwing that shit from brazil through tiny gaps

cyan verge
#

they are comparable

#

toxic bomber sometimes gets really lucky

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and sometimes really unlucky

pastel yew
#

the regular bomber just seems to run up and do the cs underhand throw

bitter turtle
pastel yew
#

I've just never seen a regular bomber really perform that well

tall torrent
bitter turtle
#

with flak or maniac?

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or elite

cyan verge
#

regular bomber usually runs up after he's thrown one or two bombs

solemn niche
#

tox bomb bounces more than regular bomb

old quail
solemn niche
#

it does trick shots sometimes

tall torrent
bitter turtle
old quail
#

a single frag does not ever kill 4 bulwarks

pastel yew
bitter turtle
#

i always chuck 2

cyan verge
#

I think bombers deliberately run up and pretty much suicide after they've thrown bombs a couple times to help free up the spawn limit

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but idk

old quail
#

i would imagine the relative value of frags depletes considerably given the HP buffs in havoc

pastel yew
#

I'm just not sure their ai is very smart tbh

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I think there are some pathing issues too as, even trappers will often keep running despite having a clear shot to get past something silly

bitter turtle
#

the dot goes through hardened skin so ive found it still incredibly useful

pastel yew
#

that wasnt in the way

solemn niche
bitter turtle
#

i'd go as far as to say i think throwing tons of frags felt like my biggest contribution at 35+

#

cus they like to drop those random 20 ragers from behind sandwich hordes on you

tall torrent
pastel yew
tall torrent
#

It’s used in conjunction with flamers and such

pastel yew
#

just throw more grenades potglare

#

man psyker... smite, dome, purgatus

#

I wonder if they'll balance future weapon releases around havoc 40

tall torrent
#

Nah

old quail
tall torrent
#

No chance

white minnow
#

yeah but what about my infinite cleave

pastel yew
white minnow
#

shlerp

#

frags do have a larger stagger aoe as well
but I did just run a sunder psword for all sorts of reasons so I have that part somewhat covered

bitter turtle
#

i could not stand playing psword in pugs

pastel yew
#

why?

tall torrent
bitter turtle
#

cause you need your team to actually do something

pastel yew
#

power sword is just sorta a jack of all trades weapon though

bitter turtle
#

yes, all trades except mobility

old quail
#

on-demand "remove bulwark" or "stagger/chunk a boss" has been very helpful in the situations where we (as in the strike team i play with) has generally been more useful than aoe damage

pastel yew
#

the mobility really aint that bad imo

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maybe in havoc it feels worse but

#

eh

old quail
#

i think every loss we've run into has been mostly attributed to a captain being particularly annoying to kill

solemn niche
#

if you have 2+ chorus it's basically chain staggered all the time

old quail
#

it was tragic

bitter turtle
#

actually thinking about it

#

i wonder if the laspistol bug still works

#

that would be op

old quail
#

like 85% of our scab captain fights have been pulling it alone or with an elite wave, kill whatever minor stuff spawned with it, and then fight the captain 4v1 in silence with no music or spawns

#

they really gotta fix horde spawns requiring any amount of forward progress

bitter turtle
#

that's how my better groups were doing it too yeah

#

tho 1 person watched for specials to just pick them off

old quail
#

yeah

alpine scaffold
#

combat knife makes feel fast again like a zealot

bitter turtle
#

the other 3 dragged him off to a room to beat him up

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lmao

solemn niche
#

isn't there like a timer or something that spawns stuff if you take too long ?

bitter turtle
#

only specials

tall torrent
#

Scab captain could be so much cooler if the game played disposal unit every time they spawned

old quail
#

so u just get specials

bitter turtle
#

im ngl

#

i dont like the scab captains rn

placid portal
#

Scab Captain when the Crackhead Zealots engage him in melee(he only has a powermaul and zealots have 4+ FnP)

bitter turtle
#

just because of how much they slow down the map cause of the shield

old quail
#

scab captain + cspawn + horde is an awesome fight

pseudo fiber
tall torrent
#

The “4 dudes beating down 1 guy in a room” thing gets old fast

old quail
bitter turtle
#

lol

#

they fixed the laspistol bug

#

rip

bitter turtle
old quail
#

it's basically just adding like an extra 45-60s on to your mission most of the time

bitter turtle
#

esp since you often stand around waiting for him to come to you

placid portal
bitter turtle
#

cause you dont want to trigger more enemies

placid portal
#

Scab captain bossfight.gif

bitter turtle
#

so 5 min of waiting for him to show up cause he has to path to you

#

5 min of wailing on him mindlessly

#

its just kinda boring

pseudo fiber
#

the captain pathing is really bad!

#

like they are legit stupid

bitter turtle
#

he got stuck in one of my last games

pseudo fiber
#

I wanna ledge one

bitter turtle
#

like actually stuck

#

it was in hourglass

pseudo fiber
#

but I can't

cyan verge
#

captains are very dumb

old quail
#

i remember when rodin spawned on warren back before the twins fight was in the game proper

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and it was by the first medicae with the fence

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and he could not hop the fence

placid portal
#

no wonder why rejects can ruin the mobian 6th's rebellion

old quail
#

so he just stood behind it shooting

bitter turtle
#

i would not mind a twin instead of captain

#

idr they dont re-shield as often right?

#

i havent done the special operation in a while

#

to remember how the solo fights go

austere mica
placid portal
#

pretty sure they reshield if you don't break both

terse idol
#

The captains would do best to have stages

bitter turtle
#

no i mean, in the solo versions

terse idol
#

Inb4 they run up a ladder

bitter turtle
#

the ones where they ambush you

terse idol
#

Call a horde

#

Oooh yeah

bitter turtle
#

i dont remember them reshielding a ton like captains do

#

which is just the part i find really annoying esp

terse idol
#

Well just have captains in the levels like a boss but they use gas to block it off

#

Juuust like ya said when rodin and what's her name attacking ya

old quail
#

the rodin mines + blight would be funny

#

one day they will find a way to meaningfully use corruption in a world where beacon of purity exists

gilded wraith
#

@tall torrent Did you change up your rashad perks for havoc?

tall torrent
tall torrent
#

Most weapons don’t have super high per-hit flak damage

cyan verge
#

yeah I am lucky there's always one guy who chunks him but

#

idk how they do that

#

zealots I guess?

tall torrent
#

One Rashad

#

Duelling sword is busted for it

cyan verge
#

last guy I saw was a rashad user

pseudo fiber
#

I've been pretty fortunate with the captain spawns

#

usually the team goes

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cyan verge
#

yeah fortunately pretty much as long as you find a small room and everyone swaps to melee he dies really hard

hollow rose
#

im sad every time i see vets chuck kraks at him

#

they deal no damage with them

#

but they keep doing that

cyan verge
#

yeah I figured out real fast basically nothing seems to do any worthwhile damage except just, you know, spam your DS4

tall torrent
#

Rashad
Power sword
DS4

#

Pretty much

cyan verge
#

yeah

pseudo fiber
#

Psword push attack

#

Me and Chorus zealot were locked in at one point

#

boss spawns
frame 1 red stimmed me

#

chorus

cyan verge
#

lol

pseudo fiber
#

stab

cyan verge
#

omg this dude's game pus and blight, then next clearance, pus and blight AGAIN

#

god damn it all to hell enough with this

pseudo fiber
#

I wanna do havoc 35 first week but I'm stuck with the annoyance of rng

manic echo
#

survivalist not great for wep like brace gun and recon lasgun right?

#

since it only give like 6-10 ammo per elite

#

and you need to fire more than 8-15 rounds to kill one elite or more depend on difficulty

tall torrent
obtuse elm
#

Tips for assasination mission

obtuse elm
steady wolf
#

tbh only build i took survivalist aura on is recon lasgun, anything to save a point or 2

#

welp back to tickling enemies with unleveled ogryn melee

tall torrent
obtuse elm
tall torrent
obtuse elm
#

Heresy

frank basin
#

Heresy twin actually easier than damnation

obtuse elm
#

No shit

frank basin
#

Unless you have good team

#

Or a competent one

obtuse elm
frank basin
junior haven
#

6s every time.

obtuse elm
#

I need it for vantage point 3

frank basin
#

If the twin it’s your first time

#

Try focus on 1 instead 2

tall torrent
obtuse elm
#

Veteran yeah

frank basin
#

When one twin shield broke it glow blue then you need break the other twin shield

obtuse elm
#

Yeah I know that

tall torrent
#

bring weapons that can wipe large waves of elites

frank basin
#

Alright

#

Power sword

tall torrent
#

and kill rodin (gun guy) first

frank basin
manic echo
analog anvil
#

get ur self an ogryn for horde clear and zealot w evi to kill the twins

obtuse elm
manic echo
#

can probly save alot of ammo bag or something if survivalist can be trigger alot faster

frank basin
#

How good aims are you then

manic echo
#

I mean like shorter cooldown

obtuse elm
frank basin
#

Just like my friend

#

Except he’s suck at melee combat

obtuse elm
frank basin
#

3 can be nice

#

The heavy attack swipe horizontally

#

For elite horde

#

Using sunder and power cycler

#

Mk6 poke enemies head with push attack

#

For like crusher and mauler

steady wolf
pastel yew
#

just failed a maelstrom in which I saw like 8 different people join leave and rotate out

#

it was literally the very beginning of the mission on monstrous maelstrom

#

seems everyones jumping in to try unlock havoc

alpine scaffold
#

.<

pseudo fiber
pastel yew
#

take 0 damage all game, get grabbed by chaos spawn and melted by 2 flamers because naturally Kleo

#

mean combo

#

how many rejects does it take to get out of the start of oubliette?

#

apparently more than 9

#

lore accurate reject mission

bitter turtle
steady wolf
#

Ogryns would of saved that mission ez pz

steady wolf
pastel yew
#

would have been nice to be afforded more than one fail dodge

#

but sometimes it be like that

#

I do wish there was a way to actively drop into near loss missions though

#

not sure how they'd detect that but sounds like it could be fun

faint river
#

i heard the Rashed is a good melee to compensate the plasma gun, what do i need on it

pastel yew
#

vet guide will give you almost entirely accurate information

#

good source

umbral scaffold
#

I am a bit unsure

#

So Plasmagun fucks but it also sometimes feels kinda slow. Is it true that Lasgun is better?

obtuse elm
#

I think I’ve played the twins assssination like 5 times now on heresy and lost every time right at the end

tall torrent
pastel yew