veteran-class

[terse idol]

Rashad combat axe

Dueling sword

[alpine scaffold]

Chainsword

[terse idol]

Powersword

[terse idol]

Chainsword hasss problems

[uneven mango]

I have the krak on my skill tree so I would need to start a second skill tree for the frag correct?

[terse idol]

Yah

[alpine scaffold]

really?? what has been going on?

[red laurel]

I never tried the Chainsword actually

[hollow ibex]

it's thoroughly mid

[terse idol]

Rev damage isn't that goood

[pale sand]

How is the heavy sword X with the plasma gun? Looking for havoc 30+

[alpine scaffold]

its heavy/ALT attack revs up the saw and can kill and/or deal a nice chunk of damage to the big guys, nice in a pinch

[red laurel]

Mark suggestions?

[terse idol]

Appearently the chainaxe miiiight be better

[alpine scaffold]

Can't think of em off the top of my head, but scroll through the options and see what changes for stats and pick what you think will fit best for your build/play style

[hollow ibex]

Comes down to preference

Mk4 is heavy spam for hordes

Mk13 is light spam

[alpine scaffold]

Same thing with ChainAxe vs sword...sword gets faster strikes, but less power

[red laurel]

Adjusted my build for the Recon Lasgun and Chain Sword. Any suggestions for the talents?

On a different note, how's the ammo economy for the Mark XII Recon Lasgun?

The guide mentions ADM. What's that?

[errant carbon]

Armor Damage Modifier

[hollow ibex]

check the terminology section of the guide

[errant carbon]

Ammo efficiency of Recons with Shock Trooper is decent. You will still burn through it fast if you're not using your melee enough, or in a Maelstrom dumping one monster after another after another

In case you're reading some guide or post from a year ago saying Shock Trooper Recons have infinite ammo, they are out of date

[naive burrow]

What's the sweatiest most meta build and weapons i can use on a veteran?
I wanna help some friends push havoc, but i don't want to keep playing ogryn.

[errant carbon]

Recon Lasgun without Onslaught, Chainsword, and Frag Grenades leaves you with nothing to use on Carapace

[errant carbon]

what is the sweatiest most meta
Dueling Sword Mk4

[red laurel]

Noted

[steady wolf]

No Deadshot?! Not gigachad enough.......

[red laurel]

Deadshot is?

[steady wolf]

The funny aim down sights to consume stamina for crit chance and better accuracy

It's probably overkill but idk

I'd also like to make a recon lasgun build + reshad but it's tough putting one together fr

[red laurel]

Not enough points now that I pivoted to doing Krak

[steady wolf]

think I'll do shredders with demolition team

[red laurel]

wdym demolition team

[steady wolf]

cuz I'm not taking the 60 secs grenade replenish

[ripe jewel]

helbore makes me sad

[red laurel]

What's demolition team?

[steady wolf]

this can add up to way more than 1 every minute

[elder fiber]

It can also add up to jack shit when you really want a nade on hand

[ripe jewel]

yeah but tbf if you want a nade on-hand waiting 60 secondsi snt great either

[steady wolf]

exactly

[elder fiber]

Its reliable though

[steady wolf]

So is reshad

[elder fiber]

?

[steady wolf]

Shredders are just a bonus

for horde

[ripe jewel]

basically yeah

[crisp oak]

Enter random malice mission, see martyrdom ogryn

[last pewter]

hm yes the floorgryn

[silent nebula]

Anyone know if falter works with the helbore in havoc? Trying to find something to stagger the pus-hardened ranged enemies because i can't seem to kill them quickly

[merry coral]

aye aye aye

(he was a vet)

[lusty sapphire]

Just ... don't play havoc?

[merry coral]

I was just auric mael

[lusty sapphire]

Ah

Wtf

[silent nebula]

Need 53rd legs

[alpine scaffold]

Sorry I didn’t reply, I was AFK, but it looks like you got some great suggestions from other vets! 🤘🏼

[merry coral]

They kept dying

[analog mural]

lol what a baby

[merry coral]

had to clutch

all died again

rough

bye bye to this guy I guess

[silent nebula]

People who bring up DRG as the holy grail of video games are so annoying
Its an amazing game and all, but it's not a valid personality

[patent zephyr]

Uh, what's the dump stat on the helbore lasgun?

All of em seem kinda important

[lusty sapphire]

They also don't cover the same areas lol

Like I don't play DT to scratch a drg itch

If you come here wanting the drg experience, you will not have it

[steady wolf]

No clue if this is a good or bad recon lasgun build or not, probably going to need 3 curios all +3 stam for it xd

[lusty sapphire]

That stam will not be enough

You should get marksman focus with the stam node

[steady wolf]

I uh did?

[sleek garden]

no you didnt

[lusty sapphire]

Are you sure about that

[sleek garden]

its the left keystone rightmost modifier

[steady wolf]

Oh MF

[lusty sapphire]

MARKSMAN focus

[silent nebula]

When in doubt, probably mobility

[patent zephyr]

Problem

[lusty sapphire]

Recons shoot too fast for focus target "stam regen" to keep up

[sleek garden]

another auric maelstrom push only shieldgryn

[steady wolf]

Helbore is actually stability dump tbh

[sleek garden]

they never stop streamingin

[silent nebula]

Unless you really want to bayonet charge maybe

[patent zephyr]

It aint got that one

[silent nebula]

Oop

[sleek garden]

i never see the point to max out damage

[lusty sapphire]

If it doesn't affect dmg it's that one

[silent nebula]

Well ignore me, idk what I'm talking about lol

[steady wolf]

but tunnel vision would keep up?

[sleek garden]

its like 10 damage between 75 and 80

[silent nebula]

I think the helbore has cleave?

[sleek garden]

tunnel vision is every headshot

[lusty sapphire]

You shoot horde at head level. All stam replenished

[terse idol]

Don't take deadshot

😌

[sleek garden]

fire into a horde and while it wont leave you anywhere near full stam itll work enough

yeah simply no deadshot

[terse idol]

Its actually just a trap

[sleek garden]

i use it with a shotgun build

[ripe jewel]

no
damage, ammo, stopping power, chargerate, and stability

[steady wolf]

Welp no deadshot means I don't need other stuff so I gotta rework it

[silent nebula]

Oh yeah that's right
I should really know that considering i just made a helbore build last night

[lusty sapphire]

Keep their heads down is also bad

[steady wolf]

prolly just gonna use this I guess

[lusty sapphire]

You want ai to stay up so you can shoot it. If you suppress them into cover it's bad actually

[steady wolf]

Pretty sure repears can't move tho

[lusty sapphire]

No this is bad

[steady wolf]

hmm yeah suppression is always so weird

[lusty sapphire]

Get redirect

[hollow ibex]

yeah 8 stacks is a trap

[steady wolf]

Oh right cuz it'll work on more enemies

thanks

[lusty sapphire]

You also don't need rending strikes if you have onslaught

[hollow ibex]

the game makes it seem like it's a good pick

onslaught is also a trap

[steady wolf]

pretty sure onslaught was required for recon XII to do any damage

[lusty sapphire]

It can be ... every new moon when a boss spawns and 8 stacks actually amount to something

[hollow ibex]

only against crushers

and magdumping crushers is a terrible use of ammo

onslaught doesn't do much against any other enemy

[lusty sapphire]

Recons are good now

[steady wolf]

they melt really fast if you put carapace on the gun

no?

[hollow ibex]

yeah, but it's just a waste of ammo

[lusty sapphire]

Well yes

[desert viper]

7.5% to allies in coherency for 10 seconds or going from 20% more damage to 32% more damage to marked target

be fr

[steady wolf]

shock trooper won't work on crushers?

[hollow ibex]

it would, but why mag dump crushers

the problem with onslaught is also not just ammo efficiency

[steady wolf]

True, reshad so

[hollow ibex]

it's also in an annoying part of the skill tree

so you have to waste points pathing to it

[steady wolf]

So rending instead?

[ripe jewel]

this has truly been a darktide veteran chat

[lusty sapphire]

To you and allies also it's 12% extra dmg if you wait for the 8 stacks to refresh lol

[hollow ibex]

good pic with recon las

[steady wolf]

Well if onslaught is bad do I need rending?

[desert viper]

but you clearly said it's bad

[lusty sapphire]

It is compared to the redirect

[hollow ibex]

rending is good because you need to go down center bottom of the tree anyway

so it's just a pick-up on the way

[ripe jewel]

yeah but without it redirect is 7.5% damage

[desert viper]

compared to redirect it is a higher damage % to the target you want dead asap

[hollow ibex]

while granting you a material damage boost against flak and ragers

[steady wolf]

Thank you

I see

[ripe jewel]

you cant say "this is bad but thing that relies on this is good"

[pastel yew]

decide to actually give havoc a go

[lusty sapphire]

"Asap" is the issue here

[pastel yew]

first game is 2 speedrun zealots that immediately abandon the team

think I'm just gonna, not

[lusty sapphire]

If you hold onto your pings for 16s to refresh full 8 stacks it's not asap

[hollow ibex]

i haven't bothered with playing havoc with randos

sounds like a stressful experience

[pastel yew]

nah I think I'm just done with the game mode

shame but it is what it is

nothing anyone has said about it has been positive

[hollow ibex]

i want the 53rd armor 😦

[ripe jewel]

conversely, holding it for 16 seconds to get a 12% damage buff after you've killed presumably what you need to kill is a bit silly, no?

[pastel yew]

and the fact I cant leave the game with people like this is a major turn off

[hollow ibex]

literally the only reason i'll play it

[pastel yew]

I get in a game with toxic people and I get punished for it like, eh

[desert viper]

there's downtime between big targets that need be wiped out and there's also times where you're going to mark it without all 8 stacks simply because it will help you kill it faster. if you were to be using redirect, you'd have to wait more than you would compared to focused fire to get that 7.5% for your team

[steady wolf]

is the finesse from marksman focus good for recon las?

it has a 10% rending keystone node also

[silent nebula]

Does stagger actually work against the super-nurgle enemies in Havoc?

[pastel yew]

yee

I wouldnt bother with the rending node though but thats just me

[hearty panther]

nurgle blessed dudes dont stagger period

[silent nebula]

Its so over for my hopes of using falter

[hollow ibex]

doesn't help much for recon las, i just run recon las without keystones tbh

you don't need any of the keystones

[pastel yew]

it does

[hollow ibex]

FT is nice to have, but not essential

[pastel yew]

its just flat dps increase

it will provide more than it costs

[hollow ibex]

unless you can get better dps elsewhere

which i can

so i don't run keystones

[pastel yew]

there's no way that's true lmao

[lusty sapphire]

Uhm no? The 1.5 is added up and gets to 5 eventually

[steady wolf]

So just take general melee buffs for say reshad then?

[lusty sapphire]

Then every kill refreshes the timer

[hollow ibex]

that's what i do

[hollow ibex]

laughs in rashad

[pastel yew]

your rashad isnt increasing your damage for the recon though

and with a recon build you just take a weapon that doesnt rely on those nodes like

[hollow ibex]

good thing i remember to use my rashad when i run recon then

[steady wolf]

Power sword?

[hollow ibex]

PS works well

[pastel yew]

but you could just run a power sword

[desert viper]

wait 10 seconds to get a 7.5% unless you want less or wait 4 seconds and get a 8% damage buff against the marked target.

[pastel yew]

and not have to take any of those skills

[hollow ibex]

nah i hate PS

[pastel yew]

and do way more damage

you hate ps

but dont hate the rashad

they're both

white bread simple options

[hollow ibex]

well let me think

[pastel yew]

in different shapes

[hollow ibex]

one just works all the time

the other requires me to activate every few swings

and has dogshit mobility

[pastel yew]

you can cancel the activation

[lusty sapphire]

Again no

[hollow ibex]

yes, very well aware lol

[pastel yew]

I really dont think the mobility is that bad though as 90%+ of the time you will be using your recon

[hollow ibex]

i have a lot of time with the PS

[pastel yew]

because its dps is insane

your job is to walk in a room

press exec stance

and instantly kill anything that glows

pew pew pew

[lusty sapphire]

first of all you get 1 stack of focus back if you kill the enemy withing 2s of tagging and then you can tag and kill your target one after the other to get there

[hollow ibex]

i don't run exec stance recon las

[pastel yew]

missing out

its so fun

[hollow ibex]

i only run recon las on one of my sweat builds

[ripe jewel]

"erm no" doesnt elaborate

[pastel yew]

ES is a sweat build

because it doesnt have the crutches other builds do

and focusses entirely on damage

[lusty sapphire]

Please read

[hollow ibex]

well it's sweat in a different way lol

[errant carbon]

I think you have a different definition of sweat

[pastel yew]

I mean its extremely effective

[lusty sapphire]

@ripe jewel ???

[pastel yew]

you just have to be comfortable dodging

[hollow ibex]

when i say sweat i'm talking about max carry potential

which means VOC + rashad

[errant carbon]

Sweatlords are in high Havoc and spam VOC off cooldown

[ripe jewel]

okay i learned to read as you said that give me a second

im new to this okay

[hollow ibex]

and yea, havoc-ready

[pastel yew]

I feel like killing every major threat is a carry

[hollow ibex]

ES isn't going to do shit in havco

[pastel yew]

VoC is defensive carry

ES is offensive carry

[hollow ibex]

nah VOC is everything carry

[pastel yew]

neither is bad, one is just harder

[hollow ibex]

there's a reason why it's meta in havoc

[pastel yew]

VoC isnt giving you more damage

[queen fox]

Damage potential with es is absurd

[pastel yew]

anything that CC or boosts defense is meta in havoc

[lusty sapphire]

As you can see I didn't wait 10s to get my redirect buff

[pastel yew]

and ES gets directly hit by conditions since its flat ranged damage

[hollow ibex]

it's good, but nowhere near as good as VOC

[queen fox]

You just can't click heads fast enough to see its true potential

Merely an issue of skill

[pastel yew]

I'd argue ES can be as good as VoC it just doesnt baby you

[hollow ibex]

ad hominen already in the second message 👏

[pastel yew]

really depends on the build and how offensively stacked your team is

[desert viper]

I'm truthfully surprised you think this is a good demonstration of using focus target as an argument against focused fire

[hollow ibex]

really shows how much legs an argument has when you're already resorting to the skill issues card in your second message

[lusty sapphire]

I was making an argument about you not describing the ability correctly

[queen fox]

Voc just feels better because it can save you in a pinch, es used correctly can prevent some of those pinches, especially in havoc with the buffed shooters everywhere

[pastel yew]

I mean it is a skill issue though? that's not an insult to people that cant use it its just how the abilities work

[steady wolf]

Thanks guys, I'm using Deadshot now 👍 (with tunnel vision)

[pastel yew]

VoC is a defensive crutch get out of jail free card

[hearty panther]

ES stops the things you're using VoC to prevent

[pastel yew]

yeah exactly

[hearty panther]

VoC is still stupid fucking overtuned though regardless

[errant carbon]

I'd say VOC enables everyone to do more damage by virtue of being able to play merely highly defensively instead of extremely defensively

[pastel yew]

just remove the cancer gold toughness from VoC and make it some other buff

[hollow ibex]

which is why i see people run ES all the time in havo... OH WAIT

[ripe jewel]

now that is like
awesome
however it's still a matter of how sizeable the damage changes are here and how youre losing a point, entirely changing how your keystone should be playing, and still getting less out of it consequentially

[pastel yew]

again, ES is hit directly by conditions

[steady wolf]

Give smoke grenades gold toughness!!

[pastel yew]

no one uses ES anyway because most people are meta slaves that arent very good at the game

[errant carbon]

This guy is cooking with gas

[pastel yew]

this being in normal auric+

you see it all the time, people say ES is garbage and need nerfs

because it doesnt hyper carry you with 0 player input

not nerfs even

buffs

bah

englis

[hollow ibex]

this is as inane as the "don't get hit arguments i see all the time"

[errant carbon]

Auric Damnation and 30+ Havoc might as well be different games, the offense/defense equation is totally inverted

[hollow ibex]

you guys have at it

i have a game to carry

[pastel yew]

honestly smoke grenades providing some kinda stimm effect

would be really cool

just not gold toughness

gross

something else

[pastel yew]

you can carry with ES

or, some people can carry with ES, if you cant fair play

[lusty sapphire]

Good. Glad we agree. Have fun. It's not that deep

[ripe jewel]

we do not agree

[lusty sapphire]

We're arguing over a nothing burger

[ripe jewel]

it is also that deep

[desert viper]

I mean having fun is the point sure just don't say smth is bad over another when the discussion goes much deeper, even in the clip you're using it is an extremely niche thing to maintain compared to what focus fire does for you, no offense

[ripe jewel]

yeah

misinformation bad methinks

[pastel yew]

focus fire is just for stamina regen for deadshot

change my mind

[ripe jewel]

focus fire doesnt do that

that's marksmans focus

[desert viper]

focus fire is actually for your revolver smh

[lusty sapphire]

Niche thing to maintain ... sure sure. So hard tagging and shooting something in a 10s window

[pastel yew]

wait focus target I meant

the ping keystone

[hollow ibex]

where did i say you can't?

[pastel yew]

has the target down modifier which gives 5% stam per stack

and 5% toughness

[ripe jewel]

it doesnt give stamina

[hollow ibex]

you can carry with any ability in the game

[ripe jewel]

no thats marksman's focus

[hollow ibex]

totally irrelevant to this conversation here

[pastel yew]

bro they both do

[ripe jewel]

wait target down does do that

[pastel yew]

yeah

[ripe jewel]

insane

[pastel yew]

mhm exactly!

[ripe jewel]

i may be stupid soemtimes

[pastel yew]

nah I mean

reasonably who the fuck pays attention to the 5% stamina its so unimportant for the vast majority of weapons

basically only weapons with a nice push attack and deadshot meme builds

[ripe jewel]

yeah that is true

[desert viper]

golly goodness it is almost like you can do that with a target, that isn't a rager who will die regardless of your focus, to make important breakpoints like the perk encourages you to do

get that 7.5% against the poxwalkers after pinging 5 unique enemies, I'm sure your weapons will benefit from that

[ripe jewel]

okay back to suffering (she was forced to use helbore)

[pastel yew]

rip

[tall torrent]

It’s 10%

[steady wolf]

are these all ogryn enemies?

[pastel yew]

.... it lists 5% per stack?

is it 10% per

[tall torrent]

Minimum refresh mechanic gives u essentially 2 stacks on every enemy u ping

So it’s basically 10% for every tagged enemy u kill

[pastel yew]

ahhh yeah, though I'm not spaming it unless I have low stamina

I hate the spam click, its just annoying

[tall torrent]

10% is if you spam

[pastel yew]

mhm

[tall torrent]

If you don’t spam you get 25% lol

[pastel yew]

I think spam clicking you're literally positive on stamina spent with just a single +3 stam curio which is wild

for semi auto weapons

also man I am

so frustrated

I wasnt so poisoned against speedrun zealots but at this point I just want all of their speed gutted

get on darktide to do some penance, figured I'd try some havoc before I went off and just get the most cancer lobby I cant leave without being punished

[hearty panther]

they already took 5% sprint off of swift certainty

what more do u want from us

[pastel yew]

take it off of everything

remove the knife sprint tech

break their legs

[hearty panther]

i do take all the movespeed

its quite fun

[pastel yew]

mhm for sure

I'd be fine if they added some mechanic to punish players way ahead of the team though

but nothing can catch them

[hearty panther]

having 6.06 base sprint speed

not even including weapon bonus

hell yea

[pastel yew]

the other non speedrun player died instantly so I was left soloing the captain + horde

I got the captain down but that was me toast pretty much, pushed all the way back into spawn surrounded by shields

might just be a mission design issue

alot of missions dont really have airlocks to stop them and force them to wait

but I'd imagine most of the time it doesnt matter because the other players die and they can go

[steady wolf]

I took every speed node so I'm gonna use every speed node.

[sleek garden]

report them

[pastel yew]

what good is reporting them gonna do

aint no one getting banned for that

unfortunately

I should have blocked them before leaving though

[lusty sapphire]

This is why they can persist

[ripe jewel]

great, now use it in the direction of your team

[candid agate]

could block them so you never see em again

[lusty sapphire]

Cause no one reports so they just keep going

[pastel yew]

would be great if you could submit video evidence in a ticket to get them nuked but thats never gonna happen

[steady wolf]

I do but only when leave no one behind activates.

[sleek garden]

i did it to two knife zealots who sped ahead in clandestium and refused to revive us and they kept stopping to type and flame us

screenshots and video

hope they are dead

[pastel yew]

have every section of the map be filled with pox gas that is vented when the team progresses close enough

[sleek garden]

they would run past us at revive points and tbag and stuff

[pastel yew]

because they're assholes

I'd just leave

which is what I did after dying

sucks I get punished for it

but it is what it is

[sleek garden]

yeah but i reported them for it

because you cant be acting like that

[pastel yew]

has officially killed any interest I had in havoc though

[sleek garden]

ive never seen anyone like that in havoc

i still havent made it to 25 yet

[pastel yew]

my first havoc game at my level

2 speedrun zealots

[sleek garden]

i got with another group to 24

[pastel yew]

guess I''m just unlucky but

[warm flower]

kinda hardcore

[pastel yew]

idk the tilt is strong enough that I do not wanna engage with this again

[sleek garden]

speedrun zealots are morons

they cant play the game properly because they can only kite with a knife and nothing else

[ripe jewel]

i hope fatshark makes a veteran weapon that feels good to use

[pastel yew]

uh.. wa... the power sword combos fun?

some people seem to really dig the shovels...

but yeah

since the new ogryn additions vet probably has the least interesting unique weapon set

[ripe jewel]

i dont mostly mean melee weapons

melee weapons are fine

they do their jobs well and feel... fine enough

[sleek garden]

vets have the highest potential to clear specialists extremely fast

[candid agate]

we need a longlas or a heavy stubber

actually no we need both

[sleek garden]

the infantry lasguns are excellent for veteran

[pastel yew]

would much rather a hot shot than a long las honestly

but some kinda heavy weapon would be fun

[sleek garden]

im 90% sure the devil's claw was originally only a vet weapon

[candid agate]

either hotshot or heavy stubber would work

[sleek garden]

they already have a helbore

[ripe jewel]

in theory yes

[sleek garden]

ogryn just got the heavy stubber

[candid agate]

i just want a sniper rifle that oneshots a crusher from 50 metres away

[pastel yew]

I think psyker is

probably number 1 for clear speed now

between the gunpsyker buffs and the voidstrike

[lusty sapphire]

Hellbore 3 I think can

Plasma for sure can

[pastel yew]

vet is still real strong though, no doubt

[candid agate]

i dont like hellbore and i dont want to like it

and i wont adapt

[sleek garden]

i dont really know why people talk about the vet being boring

he is boring because he is the soldier

he is there to shoot people

[silent nebula]

You will not like sniper rifles in this then

[pastel yew]

a lot of people moan about vet because they see the vet as overprivileged so they derride them

[steady wolf]

tbh he's least boring since he has most build variety

[pastel yew]

it lets them ignore how op bs their own class iss

[sleek garden]

people just want full auto super armor piercing high capacity guns

[ripe jewel]

i dont even find it boring myself, i love vet's kit
i just find it unironically agonizingly painful that none of the weapons in the entire game feel like they genuinely do well

[steady wolf]

altho no new weapon this patch is rough

[pastel yew]

also the strongest weapons arent that engaging

like the plasmagun

[candid agate]

hellbore has long draw time, boring ass charge gameplay, and i just dont like the feel of the weapon

[ripe jewel]

because everything feels like it has to have some gimmicky catch or drawback

[candid agate]

a single shot sniper is more suitable

[pastel yew]

plasma gun has like

no drawbacks

I guess you could count the charge as a gimicky catch

[ripe jewel]

horrible handling and feels terrible

[pastel yew]

but I dont really think its a big deal

horrible handling?

[ripe jewel]

also annoying to build

[pastel yew]

its pinpoint accurate

annoying to build is fair though

the rashad of ranged weapons its so specific

[sleek garden]

i just use exy stance for everything

[silent nebula]

Long draw time, gimmicky scope in a melee heavy game, i can't see how it'd be much better ngl

[ripe jewel]

yeah but it takes longer to pull out than a helbore and it has to my knowledge the longest reload in the game

[candid agate]

stop making good points

[ripe jewel]

wouldnt it just be a better revolver at that point

[candid agate]

i will settle for a heavy stubber in the end

[pastel yew]

the reload doesnt matter though, you never reload in in combat and can animation cancel it so its not actually that slow. The heat mechanic is effectively its reload and its a huge boost to the weapon as it lets you effectively partial reload rapidly between shots and finding targets or dodging

[sleek garden]

i think the plasma is supposed to be either used as a quick draw heavy blaster for an emergency or as a short uptime heavy killer

it has fast draw time

[pastel yew]

nah its a perma up time elite destroyer

[ripe jewel]

point still stands how clunky, wrong, and gimmicky it feels

[pastel yew]

at least imo its int to use it against crushers n such

[lusty sapphire]

Infantry autoguns, the boltpistol, the revolver, braced autos. Are there really no weapons you think are just good?

[sleek garden]

all the weapons are good

[ripe jewel]

sincerely to me they all have gimmicky drawbacks that make them in some way, annoying to use

[sleek garden]

but people want them to do everything at once

[pastel yew]

the shredder auto pistol....

[sleek garden]

sorry shredder

it just needs a ton of cleave i think

[lusty sapphire]

What are the gimmick drawbacks to the iags?

Recoil??

[pastel yew]

what gimick do they have like.. outside of the revolver they're just guns

[sleek garden]

if shredder had tons of cleave it would have a use case for horde dumping

[pastel yew]

you aim, you click, you kill

like any other game

idk

[ripe jewel]

recoil aswell as general handling

[sleek garden]

just use the recon lasgun then

[pastel yew]

recon lasgun dps beam, brr

[ripe jewel]

i dont mean gimmicks as in literal gimmicks but moreso drawbacks that feel so played up that they feel like gimmicks made to make weapons feel worse intentionally

[lusty sapphire]

What does handling mean?

[ripe jewel]

how easy the gun is to operate, pull out, and generally use in terms of speed

[sleek garden]

it means speed of reload time, how long it takes to deploy and movement

[pastel yew]

I feel the autoguns just feel like guns from any game though, the recon lasgun has 0 drawbacks no recoil, no ammo use, extreme dps, no need to aim

[ripe jewel]

yeah more or less

[pastel yew]

the bolt pistol is just aim > one shot

[sleek garden]

guns that take longer to pull out tend to do super high damage

[pastel yew]

no real drawbacks there

[ripe jewel]

yeah, which makes sense

[sleek garden]

like every "gimmick" has been around since the dawn of games

idk

[ripe jewel]

im of course not here to say 'balancing is bad and every weapon should be overpowered'

[pastel yew]

would make sense if all weapons maintained that though

[sleek garden]

slow gun equals big damage

[ripe jewel]

i just feel that in darktide in particular it's played up extremely

[pastel yew]

the zarona and bp are both one shot weapons and have nutty draw time

[ripe jewel]

especially with the pacing of the game

[sleek garden]

yeah but they have 5-8 shots and can't quickly kill a bunch of far away shooters

[lusty sapphire]

I guess that's a personal feeling issue, can't say anything to that

[pastel yew]

outside of havoc shooters dont matter thoug

[warm flower]

so you want all weapons to feel similar to each other and then moan about it?

[ripe jewel]

i mean that isnt wrong it is a personal feeling issue

[pastel yew]

how is wanting weapons to have drawbacks to offset their specific strengths wanting them all to feel the same?

is wanting them to have no drawbacks, not wanting them all to feel the same

[sleek garden]

they already do have drawbacks

[pastel yew]

imo drawbacks are what make build planning interesting

the zarona has no drawbacks with ws

[ripe jewel]

agree

[pastel yew]

the recon las has no drawbacks

[ripe jewel]

i mean to me surgical is a huge drawback

[pastel yew]

the plasma guns only drawback is its build nonsense but once you have it set up, no drawbacks

[pastel yew]

but why

you dont have to ADS long

[high vale]

I saw a guy with a mad recon las, it sounded like a god damn minigun, and the laser was almost a thick beam and i don’t remember the firerate being that high

[pastel yew]

you can also take deadshot

and then never worry about it

[warm flower]

riiiight

[pastel yew]

using ws maybe? increases the fire rate

[pastel yew]

name one

[orchid hemlock]

Recon is ass at boss killing

[high vale]

WS?

[pastel yew]

the draw time on the plasma gun does not matter

[pastel yew]

weapon specialist, the far right keystone

[warm flower]

pick n choose

[pastel yew]

you are tripping no it isnt

[high vale]

Probably

[warm flower]

aka cherry picking

[lusty sapphire]

Good joke

[pastel yew]

at least not in the build I run it in which is with es

[primal zealot]

Lmao even

[pastel yew]

it also has infernus though

[silent nebula]

What's a good helbore blessing to pair with surgical?

[pastel yew]

so at base its boss damage is at least decent

[primal zealot]

He doesn’t know

[orchid hemlock]

U think I joking?

[primal zealot]

Nobody tell him lol

[pastel yew]

weight of fire I think, but you'd have to check the pinned guide, I havent used em much so cant really comment with confidence

[orchid hemlock]

Bradley u have a lot of opinions here

[sleek garden]

lots of crits and infernus will chip away a boss fairly well

[pastel yew]

name one actual drawback

draw time doesnt matter on aweapon you never need to put away

[sleek garden]

i just went through an auric maelstrom with a deadshot zarona shotgun

[pastel yew]

literally everyone is disagreeing with you on that

[safe flax]

i need someone who is a cracked out vet to hit me with some of the best talents and weapons

[pastel yew]

that aint just a wild me take

[orchid hemlock]

Who?

[pastel yew]

this

[sleek garden]

and the drawback of the recon las is that it doesnt have a lot of stagger and it takes a second to get high damage

[pastel yew]

this, I think

[sleek garden]

lots of shots means lots of low damage shots

[sullen jackal]

veteran packs a ton of rending and brittleness to make the recon lasgun an all purpose gun capable even of mowing down carapace armor like it was nothing

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think you are getting the inside joke are you? 💀

[pastel yew]

read the guide, too much info to really just dump on you without direction

[ripe jewel]

depending on mark it also has fairly low range

[pastel yew]

maybe not

[sleek garden]

i personally dont use it as much as the infantry lasgun because i like fighting at range

for vet

[orchid hemlock]

I'll give u a hint, it is a reference to a YouTuber

[pastel yew]

outside of havoc stagger doesnt really matter because you're going to explode everything that isnt carapace

[primal zealot]

Toothpick, fire recon, shock trooper, bring em down, grenade tinkerer, onslaught

[orchid hemlock]

Recon's low finesse is the biggest drawback to it

[sleek garden]

i dont know what to tell you

its the drawback

[orchid hemlock]

You build crit for it, but its not for the damage it's for the uptime

[sleek garden]

it isnt my problem that people min max in a game where you min max

[pastel yew]

I mean you dont need more damage though, it already melts everything

[orchid hemlock]

Bradley is as stubborn as a mule, don't take it personally

[silent nebula]

The important enemies in havoc are also just unstaggerable apparently 😔

[pastel yew]

fact but

I stand by it not mattering

[candid agate]

i love how reapers can shoot behind themselves

[sleek garden]

also outside of havoc still means it matters

[candid agate]

very fair

[orchid hemlock]

I think recon has a place in Havoc atm because of Infernus

[hollow ibex]

i'm definitely feeling the "rework" when i play zealot

[orchid hemlock]

But that is literally it

[pastel yew]

you'd have to ask some people that have played a lot there but I think certain blessings really help

[hollow ibex]

recon is very nice in havoc

[sleek garden]

i use infantry lasgun ghost in havoc

im scared to turn corners without my exy vision

[safe flax]

ok, what weapons are best?

[steady wolf]

Shredder auto pistol is best gun in entire game 🔥

[pastel yew]

plasma gun, revolver, boltgun and pistol, recon lasgun, the list is

endless

[hearty panther]

true

[pastel yew]

vet has so much build variet

[orchid hemlock]

In Havoc I'm using this atm:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[sleek garden]

im still testing out my havoc stuff for all classes

[primal zealot]

Reread the first too words of the post to which you replied

[pastel yew]

itd be easier if you said what you were interested in @safe flax and direct advice can be given on those weapons

[sleek garden]

but for now i use inf las

[sleek garden]

minor spelling mistake

[orchid hemlock]

Tbh the biggest problem atm in high Havoc is the ammo

75% less drops is actually painful

[primal zealot]

FUCK

[steady wolf]

Recon ammo goat

[orchid hemlock]

So an unlimited ammo build is probably better atm

[orchid hemlock]

No recon can't generate unlimited ammo

[steady wolf]

auto shredder it is

[pastel yew]

recon is good on ammo but its not helbore good

[primal zealot]

now I gotta subaru myself due to the shame

[orchid hemlock]

No that's even worse

[pastel yew]

helbore is insane

[primal zealot]

[pastel yew]

helbore is literally infinite ammo

[primal zealot]

Literally infinite shit

[orchid hemlock]

Only 2 weapons is Laspistol and Hellbore

[lusty sapphire]

You could technically run hellbore on infinite ammo yeah

[orchid hemlock]

I'm trying to see if I can make Laspistol work with Infernus

[lusty sapphire]

I'm saying technically just cause you need to wait for surgical to stack

[pastel yew]

would normally agree but high havoc meta seems to be focussed massively on cc and sticking together which means that its p good

[safe flax]

i mostly want to use melee, something that can do most things without help. and a ranged weapon that can solve whatever my melee cant.

[lusty sapphire]

It can. It's much easier to build that on zealot with blazing piety btw

[orchid hemlock]

What difficulty are you playing?

[pastel yew]

then in order of strength... dueling sword > rashad > combat blade

something like that

[hollow ibex]

it's.... not great with vet

[safe flax]

max

[orchid hemlock]

No it needs to be unlimited ammo

[pastel yew]

dueling sword has rough horde clear but with weapon spec its not so bad

[orchid hemlock]

What?

[pastel yew]

it has the best elite clear

[lusty sapphire]

Ah in that sense

[pastel yew]

I assume max is auric maelstrom rather than havoc 40

since thats effectively a different mode

[orchid hemlock]

Havoc 40 you are extrenly limited

[safe flax]

auric maelstrom and havoc

[orchid hemlock]

Those are 2 different beasts

[pastel yew]

havoc needs different things

yee

[safe flax]

ok start with auric then

[orchid hemlock]

Havoc is much harder and restricting

[pastel yew]

the ones I listed are for auric

havoc I have no idea on melee weapons

[lusty sapphire]

Still the same. Combat blade, rashad, ds and I found out that smauls are actually nice

[pastel yew]

shock mauls being meta would be fun, feel they really didnt get their time in the sun

[lusty sapphire]

They are good just not nuke something good

[pastel yew]

mhm slow weapons end up feeling kinda bad playing with others though

the most infuriating thing about the chain axe

really good fun weapon

[lusty sapphire]

Nice moveset, and lightning reflexes still easily stuns stuff

Also the special to open bulwarks

[pastel yew]

the damge is delayed enough someone with a meta s tier is gonna one shot your enemy

[pastel yew]

this is cool tech I didnt know that

[safe flax]

what blessings do i put on the rashad?

[hollow ibex]

headtaker brumentum

check pins

[pastel yew]

brutal momentum + headtaker ye

also yeah

[pastel yew]

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

this link

any questions you have about weapons

this will answer all and be almost entirely accurate

good source

[tall torrent]

Only 1 at a time

They nerfed it

[pastel yew]

they nerfed the stun sticks/

why

or am I misreading

[lusty sapphire]

Rip

Well I'm running dmg to shock and scrusher on them so eh

[tall torrent]

Lightning reflexes uses to be able to stun anything u perfect block

Now it goes on CD (= stun duration) when you successfully stun 1 enemy with perfect block

Went from a genuinely peak blessing to complete garbage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[lusty sapphire]

I wonder why they decided to nerf it

Literally 2 people ran with it

Barely saw any people even running smauls

[tall torrent]

Idk lol

[steady wolf]

Yep..

was gonna use maul with DB but ehh knife it was

[silent nebula]

Did any existing thing we had get buffed this patch?

Feels like they added two new weapons and nerfed everything else

[tall torrent]

Yea

Gunner stun removed
Shotgunner pushback removed
Dreg rager atk speed reduced

[silent nebula]

Gunners were definitely a monkey's paw moment tho

[tall torrent]

Grim Protocol is mostly a content drop update

Havoc mode + 7 new weapons + 1 new map

Maybe new weapons for veteran in April 2025 lol

[red laurel]

Should I try putting Heavy Sword on my build? The only thing I am struggling with is Hordes

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword + Boltgun with exe stance is peak

(Outside of havoc)

[red laurel]

I am running the Pressure Washer (Recon Las) though

[pastel yew]

too strong! ignores the dueling sword, plasmagun etc

the darktide balance team are

I honestly think they make changes based on a dice roll most of the time

if there even is a team responsible for that

[pastel yew]

shotgunner pushback migth be rough as now all of them are gonna hit ya

[sterile phoenix]

Anyone have some up to date veteran builds?

[red laurel]

Why did they put a different blessing name on the Heavy Sword's BM?

[primal zealot]

So that it could be paired with chained death blow

Although it’s a shitty combo

[timid aurora]

Im sorry the Vet didnt get any new weapons. I for sure thought theyd at least share the Relic Swords with the Zealot.

[steady wolf]

Power fist or bust

[safe flax]

ok i dont play vet at all, im roughing out a build any suggestions? and why if so.

[candid agate]

get rid of the reviving node for VoC, its just not very useful
replace the toughness node on the right side for the ammo node on the left

[cedar pecan]

the last few levels of havoc before lvl 25 have been... brutal for me, any build or gameplay tips that might be useful for a vet? I play with a plasma gun and power sword

[tall torrent]

Consider changing your builds based on the modifiers you play

[broken spade]

How is plasma on high havoc anyways?

I saw a sniper survive a plasma shot

[cedar pecan]

well yes, they do that

you basically have to hit everything in the head in order to 1hk it

and even then, it's not all enemies

[tall torrent]

Don’t bother with 1 tap breakpoints

Plasma can be built to 1 tap flamers in havoc and that’s about it

[bitter turtle]

yea stop using powersword unironically

mobility is more important

[tall torrent]

Yo

You came back?

[cedar pecan]

what would you suggest?

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[tall torrent]

Rashad

[bitter turtle]

caxe if you don twanna ds4

or knife

[tall torrent]

Just don’t bring DS4 / knife into Moebian 21st modifier

Pretty much guaranteed bad time

[cedar pecan]

well thats funny because that's exactly the modifier I have on my next mission

[pseudo fiber]

Old guard are coming back

[faint beacon]

It’s fucking wild how wrath of all blessings

Is recommended on 30+ with 21st modifier

Fucking wrath

[errant carbon]

What extreme hitmass does to a mf

[hollow ibex]

can confirm

[wraith locust]

What exactly does moebian 21 do?

[tall torrent]

Replace groaner & poxwalker spawns with infected Moebian 21st groaners

[faint beacon]

They have flak armor on as a ADM and have more hit mass iirc

Generally a threat

[red laurel]

Concocting a Bolter build with no clue. Anyone have suggestions?

[wraith locust]

Thank you both

[gilded wraith]

With the fix to ranged weak spot cleave last patch, any thoughts on which weapons would make the best use of exhilarating takedown?

[sleek garden]

100% the inflas

or if you wanna be silly the zarona spreadshot

[safe flax]

is field improvisation not working?

[edgy sluice]

too weak i think

[cyan verge]

what part of it is 'not working'

[edgy sluice]

grenades (you don't need it because of other passive)

corruption cleaning (only if you do not lost hp line)

[tall torrent]

I don’t think you should take it on most builds tbh

[hollow ibex]

I don’t take it on any builds

[peak tree]

What are folks favorite melee loadout preferences, for pre level 30? (I bolter, am lvl 23, mostly working on difficulty 3-5 runs, where my melee is usually to help clear hoards and pushback to get space when stuff gets close. My style doesn't really lean into powerful strikes much."

[hollow ibex]

Run VOC frags and survivalist

That’s the essentials

[cyan verge]

"your style"

too bad havoc requires you to sacrifice that and take the optimal loadout

[peak tree]

alas, I'm not into havoc yet.

just a wee lvl 23.

[cyan verge]

oh

when you said pre-20

I and everyone else, probably thought you were like

'havoc pre-20'

[peak tree]

:p too new to know the difference.

[cyan verge]

... okay if you are that low level then bring literally anything, the first three difficulties are free if you're good and have literally anything

[peak tree]

I meant pre30 and mistyped.

[cyan verge]

heresy and damnation (diff 4 & 5) are like, a bit harder and you want to at least have like, your curios unlocked and filled at least with somewhat approaching what is correct, and your weapons should at least be like, blue and 300 rating

[peak tree]

If nothing else, it's to know what I may want to experiment with besides what I currently have.

[cyan verge]

if you are using the boltgun then

[hollow ibex]

Everything tbh

[peak tree]

At the moment my bolter is full 80's and 60, generally ideal blessing and perks, my combat ax is well upgraded but isn't it's peak form.

[midnight totem]

Does anybody know if high level havoc crushers have more health?

[hollow ibex]

Just try shit and have fun

[midnight totem]

or is that just because of nurgle blessing?

[vital wren]

everything has more health

[cyan verge]

here is a boltgun build

[midnight totem]

oh they do have more health?

[vital wren]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[cyan verge]

yeah it's safe to just do whatever you want

wlel

until damnation at least

damnation is like okay please play seriously I want to actually clear this and farm mats

[peak tree]

yeah I try to not fuck around on damnnation, and just run with the group.

make it quick and clean where I can, which I'm certainly not at the skill level to be fully clean yet, but I try, and contribute well besides lying on the ground more than the others still.

[candid agate]

you guys think shock trooper makes no sense to only be available for lasguns?

[hollow ibex]

Nah it’s fine

[candid agate]

i just dont get the logic

[last peak]

What is the dump stat on a bolter?

[peak tree]

This is what I'm running at the moment. Finishing last couple mastery levels for bolter to max it.

[tropic notch]

Why not use Rashad when brutal momentum and head taker

[hollow ibex]

Mobility as usual

[peak tree]

I'm definitely open to it. I just went with hwat I found that works so far, that's what I'm looking for here today; a more optimal melee build to try out than what I ahve had.

[trim steppe]

mobility, tho you can dump collateral to an extent if you're having trouble finding a mobility dump

[hollow ibex]

Rashad really needs brumentum and headtaker

Strongly recommend

[trim steppe]

Rashad is the best vet melee in the game if you build it with bromentum and headtaker

[last peak]

Ok thanks. Mine is fine to keep then

[peak tree]

what's the dump stat for rashad, looking forward?

[trim steppe]

mobility, you need all other stats maxed out. Its a very stat-important weapon

[peak tree]

I bought so many bolters and found one directly for sale with mobility at 60. It was beautiful.

[trim steppe]

Rashad has absolutely insane horde clear, and does very good damage to all armor types. You can 4 shot crushers and kill most other elites and specialists in 1-2 hits

[peak tree]

danke

noice.

[trim steppe]

Also great boss damage

[peak tree]

I'll be on the look out for a rashad. Nothing available currnetly but finishing my lunch break so will keep pursuing.

btw how does auric mode vary from standard? Just harder or something qualitatively different?

[trim steppe]

just fyi, you can change your antax into a rashad. You can freely switch between weapon family marks from your inventory. Just click the Marks button on the upper right

You just have to have enough mastery

[peak tree]

Ahh, nice. I heard someone say that on a youtube video but I thought it was outdated as I didnt see it. My mastery on it is maxed.

[trim steppe]

The director is way more pissed so theres a lot more enemies, and I believe there are stat differences like toughness break damage reduction being lower, etc, but I dont know specifically

[peak tree]

fair enough, that was generally my expectation but havent gotten to see it yet.

[hollow ibex]

I think toughness break reduction is a havoc thing

[trim steppe]

Could be idk

[hollow ibex]

But auric is higher intensity and has a variety of modifiers

[midnight totem]

Damnation High Intensity is the same thing as an Auric High Intensity

Auric simply means different playlist, and is gated for level 30 only, though parties of players can drag lower level teammates in, and has High Intensity as a minimal modifier, and often has modifers ontop of it.

Modifers like, Hunting Grounds, Vent Purge, Lights Out, Shock Trooper Gauntlet, Pox Gas, etc.

[runic flower]

objectively incorrect
regular damnation doesnt have emperor's fading light

[vital wren]

I thought fading light was havoc

[midnight totem]

Fading Light is Havoc only, not Auric

[bitter turtle]

im close to 40 with only playing infil :^)

[white minnow]

fading light gives a hint as to what changes with auric, but auric does not have fading light

[bitter turtle]

frag and surv are way too good not to take though yeah

[white minnow]

what does change with auric is the "intensity" thing, which, as far as I understand it as explained by other people, is that periods of spawns last longer

[bitter turtle]

did anyone from fs explain why only the host gets to progress until the end of the week reset btw

[vital wren]

No, but from StrawHat's comments it sounds like they are open to considering changing that, it's just harder to change than just these small hotfixes.

[bitter turtle]

well

guess i can just wait till tmrw

its hard to find parties at 37/38

[vital wren]

The term you are looking for is "suffering from success." 🙂

[gilded wraith]

Thoughts on top curio perks for havoc? I'm still leaning towards 2 health, 1 toughness, but 3x toughness seems like it has potential as well. The 200 health level seems to lose some value with the havoc impact on health as you gain levels.

[fading yarrow]

Two Toughness, one Stam

[feral stratus]

Health is meaningless

[fading yarrow]

All with Toughness, Combat Ability Regen, and Stamina/Toughness Regen

[austere mica]

Not taking gunner resist seems an interesting choice

[pseudo fiber]

las pistol pretty good in high havoc

[heavy rover]

No need to worry about gunners shooting you if you shoot them first

[feral stratus]

Question, it's the first time playing with plasma (never liked the feel of it but i feel like Havoc is forcing my hand), how should i focus on using it? I know charging it is unecesary but what should i focus when it's overheating?

[gilded wraith]

Thanks, I'll give that a shot.

[gilded wraith]

I normally just swap to melee if I can. Melee until the heat drops to 50% or so to get the biggest bang out of your limited ammo.

[feral stratus]

Got it

I was between cooling it down bit by bit or swapping

[austere mica]

Live Zealot Reaction

[fading yarrow]

Just got one-shot by a Poxburster on Havoc 27

[austere mica]

Only gets worse

Enjoy!

[real sorrel]

What's the vet meta for high havoc rn? Surv + voc + burn las?

[austere mica]

Still up to debate

the mode has been out for 4 days

[gilded wraith]

Any changes needed to rashad perks for havoc?

[austere mica]

Probably

Ask Path

[real sorrel]

Yeah not wrong carpet but that doesn't stop people just shittalking in lobby if they don't like the gear lmao

[gilded wraith]

I'm leaning towards Cara/Flak instead of Cara/Elite or Cara/unarmored.

[feral stratus]

For vet, Plasma seems like it's enough

Everyone i crossed in havoc is either running it or recon las

[real sorrel]

zealot dies to 1 gunner cause he ran off solo in havoc 25
"Vote kick vet for not shooting pls"

[heavy rover]

i do Cara / Elite on my Rashad

[gilded wraith]

Cool, wasn't sure if the moebian modifier would push me towards flak over elite.

[heavy rover]

the infected moebian? I found that I could handle crowd control once Headtaker is stacked up

[gilded wraith]

True, the stacks are quite handy.

Wish we had the infested moebian in the creature spawner... who knows, maybe it's buried in there somewhere.

[umbral scaffold]

I just busted my ass off on an Auric maelstrom for Havoc

Turns out i need to play a normal maelstrom

😂

[cyan verge]

yay I am the veteran god

[lusty jewel]

Best perks and blessings for the MK VII Shovel?

[pseudo fiber]

uncanny thrust

flak carapace

[lusty jewel]

Kk thanks

Dump stat for it?

[hollow rose]

20+ havocs are borderline unplayable as a solo player

randoms have negative braincells

[pseudo fiber]

mobility

[bitter turtle]

It doesn't affect trash mobs

Which are way more dangerous

Imo

I have done double takes where I see a torrent of lasers and think it's a gunner

Nah it's just two scab stalkers

[fading yarrow]

I gotta tell y'all
18 to 27 is quite a leap

But Throne as my witness, I've cleared it

Now I can mooch my way through low level Havoc PF for 41 missions until I get the full set

Previewing the chest now that I have the pants unlocked
I'm hyped

[cyan verge]

oh hey gratz

yeah I am stuck on 24

I want to clear 25 and then stop but uh yeah haven't found any groups for it that can clear it

[umbral scaffold]

What does the +5 on Havoc searches mean?

[cyan verge]

oh, that means +5 keywords I assume

[vital wren]

yeah hold shift to see all keywords

[umbral scaffold]

Oh, thanks

[thorny gorge]

im back

[umbral scaffold]

I survived auric maelstrom with randoms

[cyan verge]

welcome back shadowbringer

[umbral scaffold]

How hard will Havoc be?

[thorny gorge]

it seems flame recon is back on the menu

[cyan verge]

um

[thorny gorge]

[fading yarrow]

Hi back

I'm Vtel

[thorny gorge]

so havoc is a thing

[cyan verge]

havoc 1-15 is like not too bad, 16-20 is like okay this is hard now but doable even with your damnation gear, and I think 21-onwards is basically like increasingly levels of "you know how to play havoc now, right?"

[pseudo fiber]

I saw a lot more 25 ish today on party finder today

[vital wren]

Rolling this plasma is brutal. I finally got 69% charge for the first time and the other stats are nonsense. 😄

[pseudo fiber]

next week is gonna be super high

[cyan verge]

unfortunat

yeah I was thinking that

so I was trying to get my assists in early

unfortunately everyone else figured this out too

because they are smart cookies

so, fuck

[pseudo fiber]

im sitting at 31 rn

[umbral scaffold]

I wanna get the cosmetics from Havoc

[umbral scaffold]

That's what i want to do

And flex with them

[cyan verge]

yeah I have been playing, a MODEST amount

so it's wild to me that some people are done

but I have been exclusively playing off-hours in my timezone I think so whatever

[thorny gorge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2cf52d-7eaf-49b6-b306-570ddad3e85b/bad-build

this build cut it for havoc?

i could do aurics quite well with it

[cyan verge]

'bad build'

well, I mean...

honestly I don't know but I don't think recon is the way to go

I think you want the infantry lasgun or the laspistol

but idk

oh

wait

recon is good with infernus sorry

ignore me idk what I am talkin about

[thorny gorge]

yuh

[cyan verge]

infernus on pus skin

[thorny gorge]

i use recon with dumdum and ds for lower diffs

but i like infernus headhunter

[crisp oak]

doing masteries for the dueling sword and realize its pretty much a straight upgrade to the knife

[thorny gorge]

[crisp oak]

[cyan verge]

I don't know if it is literally true but it does own really hard, so

[thorny gorge]

i have to reinstall

hopefully my mods are fine

[cyan verge]

the only thing is I think knife is still faster, in terms of movement

um

[thorny gorge]

yes

[cyan verge]

unfortunately

dec 3rd update

broke a ton of mods

[crisp oak]

marginal amount, in exchange you lose tons of damage

and the ability to onetap muties

tbh though my favorite is still the damn shovel

[cyan verge]

look, I have not compared the sprintslidestabspam (I dub this movement tech the SSSS) of the DS4, to the sprint heavy of the combat knife, but I am sure the combat knife is at least a little faster

[crisp oak]

yeah it is faster I believe

[cyan verge]

and yes

DS4 does one-shot mutants which is ABSURD

[crisp oak]

just shocked at the damage disparity lol

[cyan verge]

like when I did it the first time I could not believe what happened

and now I am doin it all the time

stab to face, instant death mutie

it's SO ridiculous and you can even like do it from the side sometimes

[crisp oak]

my green dueling sword has a faster ttk on crushers than my knife with uncanny+mercy killer

[cyan verge]

you just stab the tip in front of his nose and he charge into the hitbox, dead

[crisp oak]

and I think ragers as well

basically buff knife

[cyan verge]

hmmm

[hollow rose]

havoc mobs get so tanky that half of the weapons feel borderline useless

[cyan verge]

a lil buff to knife would be good but what if then it becomes the new DS4

imagine everyone running around with combat knife because it one-shots muties and everything else

I guess that wouldn't be so bad it'd be fun

[pastel yew]

its so satisfying though

its hillarious to just boop their nose and have them insta die

tbf I'm fine with that though on a weakspot hit

[pastel yew]

I just think the movement and ttk on carapace is too high

[lusty jewel]

How is this power sword and what perks/blessings should I put on it

[pastel yew]

very good, brutal momentum + power cycler

[cyan verge]

it's one of the only ways we have to actually deal with massed carapace so uh

I am okay with it

we need 1 weapon that can kill carapace the way DS4 does imo

[pastel yew]

nah we have weapons that deal with carapace they're just massively outclassed

[cyan verge]

I have been trying to do C-I-VI lately for the penance (3/5) and I don't think it would even be clearable without DS4

[pastel yew]

like the chainaxe and ds4

[cyan verge]

imagine trying like the assault chainaxe lol

[pastel yew]

are what carapace killing should look like

they're good, but not melting hordes with 0 thought

the only thing actually wrong with the assault chainaxe is its attack speed really

with the +25% from ws it feels p good just a little unsafe

[cyan verge]

I mean it's also too committal in that you have to wait for the animation to end

[pastel yew]

its damage isnt really the issue

[cyan verge]

no its damage is fine

[pastel yew]

its damage is the baseline for what other weapons should be at

[cyan verge]

but if you were fighting about 12 crushers then I don't think you can do it

you can win with the DS4 and no other weapon

[pastel yew]

with crusher packs you just use heavies instead of the saw

with heavies you can get em down in two safely

[cyan verge]

hm, does it actually bite

well that's nice

[pastel yew]

a little but for a very short time

[cyan verge]

I don't know if I've even tried it

[pastel yew]

and you can hit while dodging

its fun

imo the chain axe is like

[cyan verge]

that is the other thing though