veteran-class

[pastel yew]

you need a weapon that deals consistent damage, deals with normal gunners efficiently, and has as close to 0 ammo use as possible

laspistol back in the s tier baby

even though its.. good anyway but no one uses it for some reason

[teal oasis]

I can't deny laser weapons effectiveness I just find laser weapons annoying to use, I know they hit hard it just doesn't feel like it

[pastel yew]

they dont got the same weight as exploding an enemy for sure

though there is some like... rush seeing a burning hole through a flak enemies head

and them slumping

[alpine scaffold]

Feels good to fry em in the dome though

[pastel yew]

the visual is just cool, if subtle

[pallid jetty]

i do on zealot atm, amazing gun

[pastel yew]

did you ever get to try it on zealot before they nerfed fury of the faithful?

[pallid jetty]

the light version tho

[alpine scaffold]

I heard las pistol is good due to the crits

[pastel yew]

it used to melt crushers

dash >> kill 3 crushers >> life good

[pallid jetty]

uhhhh i use for shooters and gunners

mostly

and specials

you know

[pastel yew]

yeah its still really good

[pallid jetty]

the main problem

[pastel yew]

its reliable damage, good into elites

and it makes you zoom

[pastel yew]

has high finesse so good weakspot and crit damage

also crit for infernus

[teal oasis]

I wish I could throw my empty mags at enemies for a bit of stagger

[unborn perch]

If you get the modifier where some of the mobs get toughened skin, the ones that have it will be highly resistant to ranged damage period.

The main thing is, if you shoot a mob with toughened skin, it is really important to knock them down. So you can close the distance and kill them with melee. Unless that isn’t possible, then you’ll have to deal with the reduced ranged damage.

[pastel yew]

wonder how good the kantrael shotty is

.. it is a dot effect after all

kantrael shotgun with manstopper and bleed... double dots... hmm

[cyan verge]

shotguns bad

[pastel yew]

but what if

wheres your imagination!

[pallid jetty]

shotguns bad

[pastel yew]

isnt that the nice thing about shitty weapons

trying to find that niche where they can be

[pallid jetty]

no

[pastel yew]

slightly less shit

[pallid jetty]

shotguns need to be used at point blank range

and it sucks

[teal oasis]

What's the ideal for curios, I commonly run 3x gunner dr and 3x toughness regen, the 3rd may vary

[pastel yew]

shotguns used to be S tier on zealot

[alpine scaffold]

Is there any validity to infernus/flame based damage will melt through the toughend skin mod?

[pastel yew]

and then they nerfed fury of the faithful,

[tall torrent]

Not worth the ammo

[mossy minnow]

what's the dump stat on the combat blade?

[pastel yew]

man if only they didnt get so little

[tall torrent]

Not that

It’s using too much ammo per kill

[unborn perch]

Yes. The toughened skin only applies to the direct ranged hit. Infernus is great.

[pastel yew]

sounds very slow even outside of ammo though as you'd need some kinda guaranteed crit so melee to crit > fire > loads > melee and thats only one set

[alpine scaffold]

explains why my recon las did so well 🙂

[pastel yew]

i imagine some of the more restrictive conditions will get adjusted

I'd be quite surprised if they didnt

as any mode that forces you to use lasweapons or cry

is gonna get real boring real fast

[unborn perch]

It’s not like las guns are the only good weapons in havoc though

[pastel yew]

speed condition.. all enemies run 20% faster... make it so

[alpine scaffold]

I may as well Role Play as a Commissar with all the shouting I do in a Havoc match lol

[pastel yew]

for vet they seem to be the primary ones

[unborn perch]

Like I said. Ranged stagger is super good

[pastel yew]

I dont wanna live in a falter meta world, I refuse

[tall torrent]

It’s basically the veteran meta

[fiery raft]

is the mk3 shovel really just straight up better than the mk7?

[alpine scaffold]

40k fans overall tend to be divided on the lasguns.

[pastel yew]

in what sense?

[tall torrent]

Straight up worse more like

[fiery raft]

im just looking at this

[alpine scaffold]

I know it is all in good fun, but WH fans of other factions/races look at lasguns as flashlights that are worthless

[fiery raft]

and mk3 seems to just have straight up more cleave in general

[pastel yew]

I mean a lasgun is still going to be better than ballistic weapons

[fiery raft]

correct me if im wrong though

[pastel yew]

they're cheap but not shit

[alpine scaffold]

Personally I would scoop up a lasgun if given the choice

[pastel yew]

I feel the lasguns in darktide also all feel pretty good, people moan about the infantry lasgun but it is no where near as bad as people say it is

its p good

dare I say, enjoyable

[fiery raft]

i quite like the infantry lasgun

it's fun to use

[pastel yew]

mhm agreed

[fiery raft]

very basic but thats the point

[alpine scaffold]

the infantry lasgun was my main rifle the first year of Darktide

[pastel yew]

ditto

it was real good then though

[tall torrent]

Huh?

[pastel yew]

a lot less enemy density in terms of elites

[fiery raft]

am i reading that wrong?

[alpine scaffold]

If you set it up right it was a great semi auto DMR

[fiery raft]

i might be dumb

[pastel yew]

so you were shooting grunts more, where now you just arent ever really (outside of havoc or whatever)

[fiery raft]

what makes it just worse?

[pastel yew]

controversial take but... the mg12 or whatever its called, the slow firing heavy hitter. is the nicest feeling of the lasguns, I love that gun

maybe its just nostalgia from year 1 heavy usage though

[thin stone]

can someone please give me a veteran build for havoc? Infiltrator + smokes

[tall torrent]

20% worse horde clear on a weapon family that doesn’t clear hordes very fast

No single target option outside of folded H1

[alpine scaffold]

It has the closest 'feel' of hitting something

[pastel yew]

mhm

[dusky galleon]

All melee talents work with helbore stab? like for example weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

No

[pastel yew]

ws needs you to swap

unfortunately

[thin stone]

do you have one @tall torrent

[pastel yew]

agile engagement works though

pretty good

[tall torrent]

No infiltrate

[paper trellis]

afaik the only one that doesn't is weapon specialist

[thin stone]

whyts that?

[pastel yew]

shout better

infiltrate selfish

[tall torrent]

No points

[alpine scaffold]

shouting is the way

[pastel yew]

I'm happy to see more people taking demo team generally

I remember months back everyone thought it was

hot garbage

which is a little confusing

[fiery raft]

my bad, i switched the mk7 and the mk3 around

[thin stone]

why not go down the right side of the tree and just pick infiltrate

[tall torrent]

You need max grenade regen?

[thin stone]

ok fair

also damn you didn't even take 25% ammo path

[fiery raft]

do you have a good wep spec build in mind?

[pastel yew]

for wha

[fiery raft]

im making builds for my veteran

lets just say for the double barrel for now

db and chain axe

[pastel yew]

gimme a moment I'll throw something together quick

[fiery raft]

thank you

also is the infantry lasgun just something you toss into any build?

i assume so right?

[hollow ibex]

definitely not

you need left side

[alpine scaffold]

Infantry las is semi auto, so you will have to get headshots every time to damage heretics

[tall torrent]

haven't ran into that problem yet (inferno psyker op)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[hollow ibex]

psyker op*

ftfy

[fiery raft]

this?

or this

or both

[hollow ibex]

yeah bottom left

you'll need determined too

right next to precision strikeas

[fiery raft]

yeah

is it that needed?

anti suppression?

[hollow ibex]

yeah unless you don't plan on shooting back at gunners

since ilas doesn't have suppression resist like some guns

[tall torrent]

no

needs determined to function

[hollow ibex]

top left can be largely ignored

[tall torrent]

so point cost is there, compared to laspistol

[fiery raft]

i see

[tall torrent]

I might try recon, not sure

[fiery raft]

any builds yall suggest with the infantry las?

[alpine scaffold]

recon las with infern is great

[tall torrent]

the one I just sent

unless u mean blessings

[fiery raft]

oh i see

blessings would be helpful

what do you think?

[tall torrent]

ghost + falter

[fiery raft]

i see

i appreciate it

[tall torrent]

Default talent tree for non-breakpoint guns on veteran

[pastel yew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9daa3acf-81a2-49a1-8766-d84cc5fb32ea

I'd do this

though there are gonna be some things others wouldnt take

also not the mk 4

for whatever reason that is the only chain axe

mk12 is juiced, way cooler

[alpine scaffold]

yea this site is great!

you can just filter out the stuff you want to use and builds will pop up catered to that

[pastel yew]

huh thats a cool feature

[tawdry perch]

Quick what's the best recon lasgun or does it matter

[pastel yew]

I build most of my own shit as I'm too finicky... I change things constantly depending on what I'm feeling

[tawdry perch]

Looking at mk xii

[fiery raft]

i appreciate it, man

[pastel yew]

no problem

[fiery raft]

ima mess around with this

[pastel yew]

you could swap out for kraks if you dont need the frags

saves you a point

[fiery raft]

ill tell you how it goes

[pastel yew]

which could go to some stam regen delay as

[alpine scaffold]

I will usually get a base foundation of a build from there and will tweak a few things to make it my own

[fiery raft]

i think ill take kraks

[pastel yew]

stamina is rough with the chainaxe

though that might be because I love the push attack its so satisfying

you could also swap out thrust for slaughterer

as I've been told thrust is bad

I'm gonna stay coping though as I can think of loads of situations I wont have stacks and thrust lets me get the one tap

satisfation dif

[pastel yew]

mhm a good idea for sure

[fiery raft]

this is what i do

[pastel yew]

there are some things though that a lot of people take which I dont get, like rending strikes

it seems, so aggressively overrated

[alpine scaffold]

I haven't even looked up what the rending strikes do but I hear about it a lot lol

[unborn dove]

What’s the best gun to use with Executioners Stance?

[pastel yew]

+10% rending to all weapons

[tall torrent]

Boltgun

[pastel yew]

a lot of the time its going to do not much

[fiery raft]

bolter is p good

[fiery raft]

you think 5% crit would be nice?

[pastel yew]

yeah t is

[fiery raft]

ight

[pastel yew]

crit is never bad just

vet tree is expensive

so many things to grab

[alpine scaffold]

I want it ALL!

[pastel yew]

always a few points short

I wish I could grab agile engagement without dropping other stuff but

it is what it is

[raven mauve]

I need suggestions for a melee weapon that can horde clear and deal good boss damage.

[alpine scaffold]

chainsword

[pastel yew]

power sword mk6, combat blade

chainsword boss damage poopy tho

[iron marten]

rashad as well

[pastel yew]

does the rashad do well into bosses? I've never really tried all that much

[iron marten]

yeah lol

[alpine scaffold]

if you use ALT attack and grind em up it can help in a pinch

[iron marten]

the guy making a guide made a video of him killing a cspawn in like 30seconds

[pastel yew]

I feel like the combat blade is sorta gonna be the goat if you're optimizing for those two things specifically

[raven mauve]

I don't like the horde clear on rashad. The push attack is ass to me.

[pastel yew]

that with all the ability mods stacked?

horde clear on the rashad is just spam lights

[iron marten]

I think so

[pastel yew]

except for ragers I think thats all you want the push for

[iron marten]

you need brutal momentum on rashad

[pastel yew]

also yeah that

[iron marten]

for it to be good on horde clear

[pastel yew]

weapon spec is also really good with the rashad

+25% attack speed

zoomin

[raven mauve]

I'm considering chain axe or powersword but Ive always felt powersword boss damage sucked

[tall torrent]

No

[stark vector]

Damn I never thought trying to get four headshots without missing while in volley fire would be hard

[iron marten]

well there you go lol

[pastel yew]

mk6 good boss damage but you need stam for the push attack

as thats where you get the damage from

[pastel yew]

now that you're here got the clip?

chain axe is like

sorta mid horde clear at best

and honestly not even that great in terms of boss damage

it is fun though

[alpine scaffold]

Well fellow Veteran Rejects, I am going to sign off for rack time. Gotta be rested and up early to slay some more heretics!

[pastel yew]

very fun

[raven mauve]

Im fine with mid tier horde clear as long as the boss damage is good.

[pastel yew]

chain axe is good boss damage

just other weapons do more

better than power sword for sure

just awkward

[serene bough]

still liking IIb into havoc 31

[cyan verge]

almost there but... after my last mission I am a bit less confident lol

[serene bough]

having infinite ammo counterbalances the shift in breakpoints

[tall torrent]

It was more of a tutorial clip of how to fight chaos spawn (done slower to show more of their moves)

I wasn’t even using reciprocity (would have been faster with more crits)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985983134275366943/1252140950101430312/chaos_spawn_35s.mov?ex=672a5d62&is=67290be2&hm=48a039d2e4c130329e353c38141f57d7a86303f9394bf8de517609c2376c8a0a&

[cyan verge]

it opened with one absolutely BRAINDEAD zealot who was running martyrdom and when we're in the airlock he's trying to fight the horde solo so we votekicked and then we got a different zealot I think who was more helpful but it was basically me & ogryn carrying

I want to win tbh

[pastel yew]

ah i see I thought there was gonna be some speedy tech but its just the ai abuse loop

[iron marten]

good luck!

[tall torrent]

Rashad vs boss is pretty fair
Duelling sword on the other hand

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[cyan verge]

also that is a pretty clean fight

[pastel yew]

not as good in the horde clear department

[cyan verge]

I mean that's kinda just how these things work

[iron marten]

man, it feels weird not seeing numbers as your name lmao

[pastel yew]

I will admit boss fights with the ds feel so cheeky

[cyan verge]

these bosses have VERY few attacks in the first place

[pastel yew]

mhm they should have more

they wont get them though

[tall torrent]

Chaos spawn has a lot

Like 5 different combos they can throw

[serene bough]

ds in general feels cheeky

[tall torrent]

Plague ogryn is less predictable in a way because he throws more unblockable hits at you

[pastel yew]

is that including the jump?

[serene bough]

weapon really is the epitome of "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee"

[pastel yew]

float like a butterfly sting like an elephant rifle

[tall torrent]

Chaos spawn has like 3 different combo attacks, 1 overhead loop, a jump and a grab

[iron marten]

the way to fight cspawn is just bait the overhead loop, hey

[pastel yew]

thunder hammer users self harming to 1hp and charging for 5 dragon ball episodes to deal 1 ds thrust of damage to a crusher

[iron marten]

I can't really talk shit, cause I do the same with the helbore against dhs...

[pastel yew]

I can think of two combos but not the third really

[tall torrent]

2-step push
3-step combo
Flurry strike
Overhead
Jump
Grab

That’s what I remember anyway

[pastel yew]

mmh

I will say the head hitbox for the ogryn

feels real annoying to land melee attacks on

not sure if its just not crosshair indicating right and it is being hit but, good god

could be worse though, burgle..

[cyan verge]

beast of nurgle is mostly just tedious

I just try and poke him from the side then back up

[pastel yew]

yeah but being tedious is what makes it the only boss that does anything

pogryn and chaos spawn are trash

chaos spawn exists to dunk on new players

[tall torrent]

Chaos spawn exists to get blasted in 6~7s by a good team

[pastel yew]

thats every boss to be fair

they could use a general hp up

[tall torrent]

Plague ogryn lasts a little longer

In havoc they last a lot longer

[pastel yew]

I feel like you could up the hp of both bosses by 30-50%

and they'd do their role a lot better

[serene bough]

beast of nurgle is insufferably boring

[tall torrent]

Havoc plague ogryn is like
Damage farm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[pastel yew]

beast of nurgle isnt meant to be an engaging fight though

[serene bough]

you dont get barfed, you dont get eaten

[pastel yew]

they're more... map modifier

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1314493285770727485/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.12.06_-_02.20.12.53.png?ex=6754a185&is=67535005&hm=53d61df4fe2992179a1d9cefef821132c98e7dd2fcffa3e4e4518cc71c4c195b&

[serene bough]

just being able to sit right infront of one and spam push attack through its belly to hit its weakspot w/ the mk6 knife is peak darktide combat

[pastel yew]

[tall torrent]

Farmed a ton of boss damage just by fighting 1 plague ogryn in a corner

[pastel yew]

the more you know

[pastel yew]

legendary duel

named character shenanigans

I wonder if/when we will actually get another boss

[serene bough]

i remember there being a flamer ogryn somewhere in the files

[pastel yew]

the model for that guy is so killer

he looks amazing

[tall torrent]

Havoc sends scab captains out for boss

[serene bough]

damn beat me to it

[pastel yew]

yo thats kinda cool

[tall torrent]

(The only one remotely threatening is the sword traitor captain)

[pastel yew]

honestly I'd be fine with that as just a general enemy that can appear

an intermediate enemy between crushers and bosses would be nice

[serene bough]

they spawn scab captian + monstrosity at the same time pretty often

its kinda annoying

[pastel yew]

something that can affect the game for more than .2 seconds but isnt going to be so disruptive and throwing you about

captain I imagine is actually a little rough if you cant just

hard focus them down

[serene bough]

when they spawn at the same time, you gotta focus the monster first

[tall torrent]

U can’t hard focus them down

You kill unyielding boss first then fight captain

[serene bough]

too tedious to focus down their shield w/ elite hordes and a plogryn thrashing about

[tall torrent]

Captain is only ever threatening if he’s a sword variant

Because he would have the same melee moveset as Rinda Karnak besides the dash

[pastel yew]

the karnaks were so underused

[earnest pulsar]

tell me more about this.

[pastel yew]

not sure why they didnt just keep her at least as a condition

[tall torrent]

Rodin can go die in a trench idc

Most cancer boss in the game

[pastel yew]

I honestly dont remember him

I played the mission once and thought

cool beans

[serene bough]

what, you dont like 200+ landmines per boss encounter?

[tall torrent]

He throws gas traps that instantly corrupt half your health minimum

[pastel yew]

oh that was him

they're not so bad?

they're clearly marked

[tall torrent]

Just annoying

[pastel yew]

I guess its just annoying ye

[serene bough]

they tried to rez him in the new mission

[pastel yew]

but the thought of a boss stalking you through the level to provide intermittent antagonization is like... a really good idea

and they use it once for an event

[tall torrent]

He then died like for good this time

[pastel yew]

rest in piss

[tall torrent]

His soul left his body for real

[serene bough]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[pastel yew]

cult of admonition getting a spotlight is cool though

hopefully this means daemons or... some kinda psyker enemy

or it means exactly nothing, and they just wanted it for this one mission

[serene bough]

its only a matter of time before we see rinda again

[pastel yew]

both equally likely

[serene bough]

in regards to story, clandestium gloriana was a weird tangent

"hey guys, moebian steel!"

[tall torrent]

Clandestium gloriana is the reason we have those fancy red mastery skins

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982229685675102228/1275433773647007846/IMG_6351.gif

[pastel yew]

every thing in this game is a tangeant

we get the archivum and they say they're gonna start knocking on doors

we never knock on any doors

no fun giga mansion mission

we get mobian steel, its nothing

eh

also the end result of the stims is... the ritual? feels a little odd

[serene bough]

hey guys, remember this?

[pastel yew]

free reload my beloved

[terse idol]

JUMP SCARE

🙀

[fiery raft]

wow

[pastel yew]

that dudes gonna die of old age

[fiery raft]

yeah

maybe doing weapon spec with lasgun is a big meh

[midnight totem]

Idea for sn enemy psyker boss. They try to brain burst you, characters call out that they're being targeted. Deal damage to the psyker to knock them out of channeling the attack

[pastel yew]

yeah generally weapon spec ranged weapons are for abusing the guaranteed crit, the free reload, or the attack speed

[pastel yew]

my braiiin

I want the

tornado back though, from vermintide

peak content

[fiery raft]

what do you think would be good?

besides the db

thats a 4fun thingy

[pastel yew]

I mean the.. is it even called the zarona now

I have no idea

the revolver is the weapon that fits it best

but the autoguns are really good

[serene bough]

Ws is good for plasma and revolver

[pastel yew]

the shotguns work well

plasma ws sounds

so grief

[serene bough]

it draws very quickly

[pastel yew]

but why would you want that if your breakpoints are poopoo

[serene bough]

it actually works pretty well, aparently (ive never tried)

[fiery raft]

mmmm autogun

ill use autogun

[pastel yew]

the only thing you really get boosted for on the plasma gun is the guaranteed crit

[teal oasis]

Is 3x +5% tough on curo worth over other options?

[pastel yew]

the reload doesnt matter because you dont reload the plasmagun, heat replaces that and this doesnt change heat

[teal oasis]

Curos are the 1 thing I don't really know how to build

[pastel yew]

I almost always take that

[serene bough]

ive recently replaced my x3 5% toughness for x3 4% CDR

[pastel yew]

10% ordo dockets is king

they're personal preference really, just take what you feel you need

[serene bough]

i usually put sprint efficiency, block efficiency, and stam regen x2 each then x3 toughness

[pastel yew]

cdr always good.. more f is more gooder

even with something like exec stance like.. the ability damage modifiers are so insane

marksman is a goofy node

[serene bough]

only weapon i firmly believe MF is a reasonable pick for is the IIb lasgun

[cyan verge]

that owns wtf

why ins't that in the game

[pastel yew]

mf is a reasonable pick for a lot of weapons

I think its just slept on because it was so negatively received originally

especially after they changed the stack time its a lot better

[serene bough]

its pretty underwhelming when you compare it to WS and FT

FT is just straight damage for your whole team

[pastel yew]

wouldnt be me.. usually only taking FT to get stamina...

it is really good though

I just hate how the best way to use it is to use it on every enemy

spam

[serene bough]

but i digress, MF pushes multiple breakpoints on the IIb las and helps to smoothen out the inverse fall off damage, i.e. more effective at shorter ranges

so i think is worth

[pastel yew]

tunnel vision dead shot... 🤤

[drifting timber]

what would the dump stat for plasma gun be?

[frigid epoch]

dont know if this is a chat to ask this or not but can anyone tell me how to upgrade my weapons to the red sainted rarity pls i cant find anything on it

[pastel yew]

doesnt really have one

[drifting timber]

ah

[pastel yew]

max your damage then a healthy mix of the other two

[serene bough]

is a mod

[pastel yew]

there's probably some really specific hyper optimal ratio but I dont know it and it doesnt matter

[pastel yew]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/380

its just a nice visual mod

[drifting timber]

word! last one i have yet to use for maxing out ty

[pastel yew]

pretty + keeps inventory sorted

I assume I'm allowed to post mod links here

[hollow ibex]

yeah im a fan of this mod

[frigid epoch]

thank you appreciate it

[pastel yew]

its such a silly thing but

it really adds to that reward ig

makes it feel better when you see the colour go red, objective complete

[serene bough]

counterpoint

i like gold better

[pastel yew]

its amazing for keeping track of curios

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's a small thing but definitely

[hollow ibex]

coutnerpoint

it's more like a puke orange

[pastel yew]

everythings gold..

if I had my choice it'd be hot pink but

it is what it is

[serene bough]

well when you put it like that

red doesnt sound so bad

[pastel yew]

lmao

okay it is... officially 5am

I need to sleep before I end up being late for shit

aaa

https://tenor.com/view/bye-girl-cute-child-slide-gif-15242274

[grand perch]

I was kidding it's a terrible idea

[iron marten]

But the mobility tho

[grand perch]

and the suppression, such a great mechanic

[cyan verge]

it's true, everyone else is trying to kill the gunners outright, you just avoid that entirely by suppressing them with the shredder autopistol

what can they do when suppressed? literally nothing

[grand perch]

fatshark: what if we had a modifier that makes them ignore suppression anyway?"

im not mad, youre mad

[cyan verge]

I want to play this but enclavum baross is a nightmare on just like normal difficulty not even maelstrom...

you might be like oh well whatever right it's just enclavum baross, but I swear I have the lowest like win rate on this map just because every time we get to the bridge the entire team falls apart

2-3 players hang out on the bridge button like they have to defend it with their lives while either me or me and some other guy try and get the batteries up and usually during that time the people staying up at the bridge don't just get downed they usually outright die somehow

[grand perch]

staying up at the bridge to kill stuff there is a trap imo. just splits up the team while the battery guy has a harder time getting it up the stairs. people just havent adjusted to how it probably supposed to be played now

[brazen steppe]

Play it as team is best way no?

[grand perch]

you got it big man

[brazen steppe]

Second best way is play objective with the team

[still crater]

first best way is to realize none of your teammates have a clue what the objective is, and they're not gonna move so you have to go get the battery all by yourself while complaining loudly the WHOLE time

[raven mauve]

What Melee weapon offers sweeping horizontals (don't care if it's light spam or heavy spam or light heavy alternating) and strikedowns with a sweeping horizontal push attack?

[brazen steppe]

I like doin that sometimes

[cyan verge]

exactly which is why it's one of my lowest winrate (I assume) maps

[cyan verge]

exactly so

[cyan verge]

absolutely just please follow me to battery and cover me while I do my pro slide strats okay

rashad probably too

rashad is also good, so that's nice too

[grand perch]

i misread that last part, mk1 shovel has strikedown push attack

[raven mauve]

I need something like I mentioned for a commissar build. Havent really been satisfied with most of the melee options for vet

[grand perch]

you probably want rashad

[steady wolf]

knife lets you punch so go with that ha ha!

[grand perch]

rashad: optimal horde clear is just parry attack into light spam. heavy does strikedowns. very straightforward

[raven mauve]

I know the rashad is good but I just hate the push attack stagger.

[pallid jetty]

the common vet shovel

oh wait the push is vertical

[midnight totem]

Bonkbonkbonkbonk

[pallid jetty]

some sword maybe

[grand perch]

sweeping horizontal puash attacks are pretty rare tbh

[pallid jetty]

the new relic sword has it

amazing

[raven mauve]

Even if I was willing to go with rashad or the shovel I would hate how they look on my commissar lol

[raven mauve]

yeah I love it.

[grand perch]

i think youre ot of options for that very specific moveset then

[pallid jetty]

the heavy chain sword, the blue one has it

i think

[raven mauve]

it's zealot exclusive

[pallid jetty]

no

common sword

the blue one

with heavies overheads

[cyan verge]

do you mean the assault chainsword

[grand perch]

i legit forgot what its specific PA was, but i think its strikedown too?

[cyan verge]

oh

yeah that thing is junk but you could use it for your cosplay if you really want that

[pallid jetty]

bro im never memorizing the names

after 1200 hrs

karkin never

[cyan verge]

well, you are right in calling it, the chainsword

[raven mauve]

I'll try it but I hated it last time I used it

[cyan verge]

cuz the zealot one, is the 'eviscerator'

[pallid jetty]

wdym its junk

good thing

[strange epoch]

does no respite apply to helbore bayonet?

[pallid jetty]

whats no respite

[strange epoch]

more damage vs staggered enemies

[grand perch]

yeah probably

[steel wigeon]

is 60% charge rate or 60% thermal resistance plasma gun better

[pallid jetty]

well should then, check in the psykanium

[cyan verge]

you want a balance of both basically

the guide is like, 69% charge rate 71% thermal

[grand perch]

@tired egret

[cyan verge]

but anything around there is good

oh

this again...

[raven mauve]

How good or bad is the boss damage with devils claw or heavy swords?

[cyan verge]

um, I dunno

is the parry like super strong against bosses maybe

[pallid jetty]

with claw the parry damage it good

[grand perch]

parry attack is decent. not that good otherwise? havent used heavy swords all that much though

[cyan verge]

as for heavy sword it'll do like pretty pathetic damage I think

[pallid jetty]

i think 🙂

the heavy is ok cause of the +30% weak spot dmg

and on the right side finesse dmg

[earnest bone]

heavy sword is nonexistant boss damage, but dclaw do decent on parry

[fiery raft]

anybody got a good standard shout build for havoc?

i wanna do a bunch of havoc rn

[strange epoch]

I just did a solo malice as a level 9 vet

well with bots but still

[warm flower]

I literally never use Voley Firee, how the hell am I gaining progress for this penance? Teammates count?

[warm flower]

what havoc diff

[fiery raft]

just early havoc

[dry cloak]

dont ask

[grand perch]

do you know the way of the spaghetti code?

[teal canyon]

im so done

reading data from disk
@
woops, 3001
@
well i guess i dump this data from disc like nothing ever happens instead or retrying

[fiery raft]

[gilded wraith]

Does anyone know if the recon mk 14 cleave value (3) is enough to punch through multiple 21st Moebians?

[grand perch]

i hope fatshark implements a system to punish players assisting with your havoc assignment if they leave

cause the have nothing to lose when they feel like leaving except for a slap on the wrist timer

[teal canyon]

game randomly boot you and never let in

[grand perch]

i just started my havoc assignment. one guy leaves before the loading screen (at which point i cant abandon the mission without losing one try)

[earnest dew]

Why is every vet in pubs running fireteam, did somethign happen to it.

[grand perch]

then one zealot turns out to be the "thinks hes a gift from god" kind, keeps speedrunning, gets pinned by hound (all incl. ping spamming when he does ofc) and then leaves when he predictably goes down kilometers ahead of the team

finished without those 2 pricks luckily

[grand perch]

he had readied up beforehand i dont think that was the issue

[teal canyon]

its fatshark and its a darktide. its could be anything

[cyan verge]

cuz it makes for easy pathing and helps with breakpoints for plasma

[errant sable]

should their games played because getting some one at clearance 36 and watching them not how to play is annoying

[teal canyon]

can you get back you r money after 230 hours if game servers arent let you in?

[grand perch]

nope

[ionic laurel]

Vets died off a cliff this patch ig, ive only seen one in the last 4 days

It’s like an alternative dimension

50 zealots to one vet

[grand perch]

ive had lots of vets in my havocs. 3 or 4 in a couple even

[teal canyon]

join one game
lost
3001 error

FATSHATRK YOU PIECES OF

[ionic laurel]

Weird matchmaking for me ig, zealot is everywhere. Surprisingly low amount of psykers too and more ogryns than usual, very nice

I thought psyker would be in every game tbh

[cyan verge]

yeah I am sick of seeing zealots

ogryns too

[ionic laurel]

nooooooo

[cyan verge]

is that noooo why are you sick of ogryns, or, nooooo ogryns should never be in havoc

[ionic laurel]

I think ogryn is pretty good in havoc actually, but in like a bandaid sense. A good one makes the game a lot easier for people that aren’t as good at specific things

Im seeing massive rager wipes and he counters tf out of them

[solar jewel]

Would anyone be willing to help me with the penance Make Every Shot Count?

Watched some videos on how to do it easily, just don’t have anyone solid to run it with besides me and my other friend.

[frank ether]

anything goes for low havoc

[noble epoch]

I wanted to ask if I’m the only one who doesn’t really like the plasma gun on vet, like I know it’s the best gun and I perform the best with it but I don’t like how it feels. It kinda feels weak, Not from like damage but from the sound and just general feel. I prefer using the revolver cause it is loud and has like recoil, like I’ll still use the plasma gun in auric maelstrom and havoc but outside of that idk

[solar jewel]

If anyone wants to help me out with this penance, my friend code is : 5461422175

Would really appreciate the help 🙌🏼

[frank ether]

what makes it the ''best gun'' is the cleave aspect

[noble epoch]

Ik

[frank ether]

the meta for speedrunning high havoc seems to bring high cleavee weapons and funnel enemies into a choke but you do not have to do that

[noble epoch]

It just kinda doesn’t feel like a gun if you know what I mean

[warm harbor]

I had some net errors
Anyone tried the new grin protocols yet?
Care to give me some infos on them?

[teal canyon]

3001?

[warm harbor]

2014, I changed the router and there’s been some errors

[solar jewel]

So we just ignoring people?

Can I get some help???

[austere mica]

Everyone who would is asleep and make every shot count is pretty easy without a team

Just find a lobby without Survivalist and run double barrel with weapons specialist

[cyan verge]

you are not entitled to assistance

don't act like it

[solar jewel]

🤣🤣🤣

Here we go

Didn’t say I was, asked for help on a discord for this game, got ignored completely

[cyan verge]

isn't this the accuracy penance

you can literally do that in any lobby

[solar jewel]

Said something about it, got a reaction

Problem solved

Second day on the game. Thanks for the help ya stuck up pricks 🤣

[warm flower]

its the uhh

90% accuracy?

[cyan verge]

yeah it's that one

[warm flower]

i can help but im eu FYI

[dry cloak]

shotgun is the way to go

[solar jewel]

I’ll figure it out 💀

[solar jewel]

Thanks 🤘🏼

[warm flower]

get a double barrel and a strong melee

and hope for not having survivalist veteran in ur team

gets annoying when there is one

[cyan verge]

if there is then just straight up leave

you're basically just joining heresy games right, so whatever

[dry cloak]

wrong

if your gun is empty empty

just dont switch to it

[cyan verge]

I have heard that

[warm flower]

huh

i did that penance with a survivalist in my team and i swear i remember getting ammo even fi i didnt equip the shotgun

[solar jewel]

Saw a video that said doing it on a mission with “Low intensity Engagement Zone” is the easiest way to do it.

[cyan verge]

you will get ammo pretty sure

[spark cave]

buying a full price game
3001 go f urself dude, u won't play it

[solar jewel]

https://youtu.be/Z8eQPYvWRME?si=F6yfnoCmcchw5vPo

[warm flower]

yea low intensities are ez

[dry cloak]

yes. dont switch to your gun

after you have 0 ammo

[cyan verge]

what I think he means is if you empty your gun fully and then unequip it for the rest of the mission it'll still count as empty even if it refills from survivalist

[dry cloak]

yes

[solar jewel]

Is there a way to do a custom search for that type of game? Or do you have to just sit on the mission board waiting for it to pop up? 🤣

[warm flower]

this is straight up stupid though

just get a double barrel

[cyan verge]

yeah

double barrel

[dry cloak]

or brown combat shotty

[cyan verge]

just make sure you always hit SOMETHING

even if it's one gunner

[dry cloak]

but db is the better choice

[warm flower]

no custom search so gotta wait

[solar jewel]

👍🤟🏼

Much appreciated

[cyan verge]

honestly I would just run any heresy, like if you're good at the game you can just melee to victory

[warm flower]

yea if u feel like the enemy ure looking at is about to be blasted by teammate, dont shoot

[cyan verge]

for real

[dry cloak]

infiltrate will help

[cyan verge]

people will do some insane shit

like oh I'm about to kill this rager, better like empty my bolter at him

thanks guy

[solar jewel]

🤣

Much appreciated y’all 🙌🏼. Sorry if I was rude 🤟🏼.

[warm flower]

also @solar jewel dont bother with the alt+f4 thing mentioned in vid

just do it normal way

spend all ammo and u gucci

[solar jewel]

Oh yeah? So don’t bother leaving the game just run it as is and exfil?

[warm flower]

yeah

[frank ledge]

Alt+f4 mentioned in vetecope

[solar jewel]

Bet 🙌🏼

[cyan verge]

the only other thing is

[frank ledge]

Don't leave games boss!

[cyan verge]

I think you also have to be from the start

so if you join mid-mission

leave

[dry cloak]

ah the scale

[solar jewel]

Copy

Think it said to waste your rounds early on, then just melee the rest of the way. Gonna try that. The whole “leaving and rejoining” thing I didn’t see a point in though. In a few method videos they say to get a friend to stay in the game, get all the way to the end while saving only one shot. Then right before you exfil, leave and rejoin. Then fire the one shot into a zombie. Doesn’t have to kill them, just has to hit that way you’re guaranteed 100% accuracy. Then you just exfil.

Only thing I don’t understand with that is, if you leave the game and rejoin, would it not reset your ammo back to full? 🤔 Doesn’t make sense to me for you to only have that last shot that you had before you left, when you rejoin.

Lmk thoughts 👆. Just curious what y’all think

[warm flower]

fuck the rejoining cheese

you can safely play the whole round shooting stuff sometimes with double barrel

go to the side, kill 1-2

proceed

kill 1-2

proceed

etc

[solar jewel]

Does it matter if you’re only level 14? 🤣

[warm flower]

oh damn brother then youre in for an adventure

[solar jewel]

🤣🤣🤣

Lmfaooooo

The question is how badly do I want this armor piece

[cyan verge]

the idea with rejoining is like, there was a time when you could drop out and then just rejoin at the end and fire off like two shots and it'd count, but. I believe that was patched

[warm flower]

if it was me doing it, i'd wait until at least 25

[solar jewel]

Ahhhh

[warm flower]

so i can handle myself easily in diff 4

[cyan verge]

I mean, it's not difficult... maybe on console it's harder but like the way it works with shotgun is as long as 1 pellet hits an enemy, it counts as a hit, so 90% is not exactly difficult

well

okay I guess if you are really new it might be difficult

with low toughness and health and such

[austere mica]

I got make every shot count effectively accidentally after I realized the way I play one of my builds I had actually 100% accuracy and then dumped my ammo at the end of the mission

[cyan verge]

I got on the penance grind early cuz I saw a couple that were bullshit and I got mad

[regal belfry]

rashad axe is fun

[cyan verge]

it's pretty sweet

[austere mica]

Wrong

[tawny timber]

i did this first try

still managed to miss multiple times with shotty

[cyan verge]

it took me like 3 tries cuz I tried different weapons

[tawny timber]

confirm its easy asf

[regal belfry]

dit it with plasma

[safe quiver]

hiii what is the best use for double barrled is it like cc or elites or what ?

[dry cloak]

weapon spec vet with manstopper

[steel wigeon]

which power sword is better?

[regal belfry]

preference

i like mk3 more

i can't click with mk6

[safe quiver]

why no one use the res abillity modifier on voc abillity ?

[regal belfry]

longer cooldown and you normally shout for cc then and ress that way

[safe quiver]

how does it make the cooldown longer ? i really dont know

[forest breach]

It says on the description that the res ability has a 33% longer cooldown

[balmy flume]

You basically cannot spam heal.

Which is what most, including myself, use it for.

(Heal toughness that is)

[tidal comet]

Question, Why is it recommended to use Blessed Bullet Curios, When from what I can see you can get Toughness . Combat Ability Regen, Toughness and Toughness regen with other ones? or am I missing something

[odd sparrow]

The name of a curio is just flavor.

All curios have their base stat increase locked like hp toughness stamina or wound.

All the smaller perks can always be changed

[tidal comet]

aaaah perfect, Thanks amte

[umbral scaffold]

Cool predator pfp

Gimme

[forest breach]

You can, and that ult can work but its still less usefull than toughness only

[balmy flume]

Yay.
50% way through to Havoc black armour drip.

[umbral scaffold]

is it worth speccing into keystones?

i just use lasgun and chainaxe and shout

but dont know if the keystones have been updated to be good

[dry cloak]

Vet is the single class that not having keystones is viable

[umbral scaffold]

Depends on loadout tho

[dry cloak]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

Does anyone else also having fun with smokes & stealth aswell?

[dry cloak]

I have fun with kraks and stealth

[umbral scaffold]

I have kraks and frags on like 7 builds, needed atleast one for smokes too

[dry cloak]

And now that in lvling psyker. Im having fun with all his spells

[umbral scaffold]

Never played psyker but i always thought those crystals are op as fuck

[dry cloak]

Assail

Doing the stupid smite penance

So yes im labeled as smyker for tine being

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly i have exactly 0 clue what smite is

[dry cloak]

Psyker playing palpatine

The lightning that spreads

[umbral scaffold]

Sparkles?

Ah i see

Good stun

[dry cloak]

Yes

Its really good stun

[umbral scaffold]

Noticed it saved a lot of my runs when i had psyker in team with it

[dry cloak]

And yet i had games where some people left because ,,pSyKeR wItH sMiTe,,

[tidal comet]

😛

[umbral scaffold]

I never minded psykers, i always knew a good psyker player can be an absolute force

[rose ingot]

Been a minute since I last checked out upgrading weapons. Things seem to have changed substantially since a few months back.

[dry cloak]

Vets get flak for playing plasma shout, because they trivialiaze the game

[rose ingot]

Anyone able to suggest to me what I should be throwing on a helbore? Besides surgical/weight of fire

[dry cloak]

Yes

[rose ingot]

Really just want to know what perks are best these days

[dry cloak]

That two

[umbral scaffold]

That sound stupid

[rose ingot]

Perks, not blessings

[dry cloak]

Carapace and flak/maniac

[dry cloak]

Because it is

[rose ingot]

Fair enough

[dry cloak]

Last game i played was me a psyker and 3 ahout vets

And i had the shriek so i didnt stand out

[umbral scaffold]

Am i really the only one who let other play whatever they want as long as they are not complete deadbrains with absolute 0 skill

[rose ingot]

Carapace over flak?

I feel like maniac is more versatile

So that’s a must imo

[dry cloak]

Helbore has enoigh power to kill all things flak

[rose ingot]

Ah, makes sense

[dry cloak]

Unless you use the blue one

[rose ingot]

I use the mk 3

[dry cloak]

Then its us crit and maniac i believe

[dry cloak]

Colors please

Thats green one or brown one

[rose ingot]

Cadian green

[dry cloak]

Maniac plus carapace

[rose ingot]

Bet

[dry cloak]

3 shotting crushers with crits is fun

[umbral scaffold]

Funny, i always used bayonet types to clear which helbore i use

[rose ingot]

As for shovels, what’s the meta? With Krieg skins and all I figured I’d get in line for the bit

[umbral scaffold]

For crowd controll the best is the first wooden one

[dry cloak]

I let people play whatever. I dont have mods anynore so i only judge what i can see

[rose ingot]

The skull mask helmet looks pretty good with the older black coat though, side note

[dry cloak]

Black one.

[umbral scaffold]

Kurwa mać

[rose ingot]

Perks and blessings?

[dry cloak]

Gdzie z tymi kurwami te matka cie nie nauczyla być kulturalnym

[rose ingot]

I was recommended uncanny strike and decimator but I wanted to be sure

[umbral scaffold]

One can only love poland

[dry cloak]

If something feels off try changing the blessings

Now it only costs money

[umbral scaffold]

The other two shovels are much better for big and armored enemies thanks to that special attack

Basicly a pickaxe on shovel

[dry cloak]

They are imitation of proper shovels ogryn uses

[umbral scaffold]

And yet ogryn only has a wooden one with uppercut as special attack

[dry cloak]

Yes

Other 2 fold

[umbral scaffold]

Good for stealth build?

[placid portal]

Lacking Rending backstab cannot trickstab smh

[umbral scaffold]

Huh

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-spy-meet-the-spy-butterfly-knife-backstab-gif-24836393

[umbral scaffold]

Butterfly...such a bullshit knife

[placid portal]

Infiltrate Vet with rending backstab about to stab the reaper and scab bomber

[solemn niche]

does this build work in havoc ? https://youtu.be/62fmOhp1cWg

[tired harness]

No

Because later levels gives u almost no ammo

[jovial hinge]

which recon lasgun is the best right now?

what mark?

14?

[tawdry perch]

Is marksman focus the best for vet

[umbral scaffold]

Only if u playing infantry lasgun with ghost

[tawdry perch]

What about recon las?

[umbral scaffold]

Shout better

[tawdry perch]

Ah ill respec

[umbral scaffold]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5bbb40-0ea8-4e00-9c45-a69e5f51f992/recon-lasgun-brain-rot

[grand perch]

Lacerate bad

[umbral scaffold]

Not really, bleed crushers to death saved me a lot of times when i was dodging 4 of them at once

But the fact how stealthy those 500kg mfs are scares me

[static panther]

I always assumed that they do made noise, I just couldn't hear them because of the other bullshit I was dealing with

[umbral scaffold]

You would hear them across 3 rooms lol

[wind grotto]

no they're completely silent sometimes still just like trappers

the noise they make is supposed to be a clanking sound so loud that you can hear it over other elites/specials but I don't think they'll ever fix the issue with some of the lines just not playing because there are like 40+ specials in audio range and then it gets mega fucky

[oak plinth]

Not after you spent 5 minutes next to the gunlugger Ogryn full auto firing his 2 50bmg guns welded together you wouldn't 😂

[umbral scaffold]

If nothing, atleast we can hear poxbusters 100% of time

[wind grotto]

ogryns weigh like a ton without armor iirc also so probably closer to 2 tons with full carapace and giant two hander clanking around

yeah poxbursters was the most important one they actually fixed but I wish they'd fix trappers

[umbral scaffold]

Took me like 80 hours to realize trappers are gurlz

[wind grotto]

the trapper threat of them being completely silent and spawning behind the bulwark/crusher brigade then just getting you through them completely silently is still very very real

[orchid hemlock]

bleed crushers

Stop

[umbral scaffold]

Remind me does vet shout revive respawned teammates? when theyre tied up after respawning

[stoic thorn]

Prob not

[orchid hemlock]

If you were to give a crusher 16 stacks of bleed, even if you kept re-aplying it it would take 3 minutes to kill it

[idle swallow]

nope, it's only downs from hp loss

[orchid hemlock]

Also if you need to take a bleed blessing, take flesh tearer

Lacerate is actually one of the worst designed blessings I have ever seen

I don't know why Fatshark even made it

[static panther]

is this health damage or just damage in general?

[steady wolf]

iirc it is health damage only so if you run something like infiltrate you can use it as a panic button if you get hit and get your toughness refilled and get out of jail free for a bit for a reset

[orchid hemlock]

hp

[static panther]

Ah Ok thanks

[runic axle]

What do you think the new vet weapon is going to be? A new melee like with the other classes, or maybe a hellgun, plasma pistol, something of the sort?

[vital wren]

Melta or longlas/hellgun/etc. I suspect.

Powerfist would be fun though.

[pastel yew]

power fist.. power fist... power fist..

say it three times in the bathroom mirror

I doubt vet will get the melta though

as I feel aesthetically and mechanically it'd be way better placed in zealot

as currently they have an intense lack of good anti armor ranged weapons

[terse idol]

i want to say intended

[pastel yew]

which makes using some non anti armor melee weapons a little painful as you're forced to choose a revolver or boltgun

if its intended

it was stupid to give them the boltgun and zarona

because they arent weak against armor, they're just forced to take 1 of 2 options

[terse idol]

Well boltgun was okay imo, catalade fury is fuunny

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean, I think both of those weapons are fine on zealot

its more that they remove that weakness in their kit

so if it is intentional they have it, it was a mistake

[errant carbon]

Fatshark is bad at designing weapon traits and/or the original shit gear system was a series of RNG gates, which meant that every pool of options (Perks, Blessings, etc) needed a few good ones and very many bad ones

[pastel yew]

yeah the blessing pool is really bad generally

its not uncommon for at least half of the blessings on a weapon to be just dogshit

or for a weapon tho have 2-3 must haves

[errant carbon]

At least it's not Vermintide 2 (Swift Slaying or Bust, unless that has changed since DT release)

[pastel yew]

what they do?

[terse idol]

Nothing as far as i know

Its just like you have to rng the bis blessing

So you still chose swift slaying 80% of the time

[errant carbon]

I don't know if they have changed anything because I haven't played VT2 since Darktide release

[terse idol]

They didn't really change the balanc

[inland orchid]

they just added more rather than altering what's already there, hell they added a bunch of new boons in CW

before they dropped the VS update

[terse idol]

Well yeah I mean i just think vt is pretty well done

[inland orchid]

as well as making stuff alot easier on the new player side of things

[terse idol]

They'll improve on the pvp but besides that eh

[inland orchid]

to be fair this pvp was grounded off pve centered mechanics with no mind for pvp till recent

so in my eyes it'll always be a lil funky

at least with L4D2 they had pvp in mind at the start

[terse idol]

Hmmm

I think like it just has a serious case of well damn you get mulched if you don't have the baseline readiness
It was waaayyy jankier in the beta and now

You really gotta be very good to evem survive the enemy pact sworn

But yeah naw you're right

[alpine scaffold]

Mornin' Veterans! How is today's crop of heretic slaughtering going for everyone?

[steady wolf]

yipee!! lvl 30

double barrel and knife swap is like crack, love it so much. the speed feels great too

[inland orchid]

welcome officially to the warband, happy to have you

[grand perch]

now go die in a ditch to get some stim sample back

[faint river]

best melee to compensate for the plasma gun's slow fire rate?

i keep getting overwhelmed

[vital wren]

Rashad combat axe with brutal momentum

cleave hordes

[faint river]

alright, ill try it out

[vital wren]

Light attacks are nice sweeping strikes, heavies come down from above for head hits

[faint river]

[vital wren]

Just try to swing at about head level with the lights

[faint river]

i always aim/swing head level

[hollow ibex]

good habit

[steady wolf]

lacerate users: "HUH??"

blessing of all time fr

[terse idol]

Roll it back

You NEED unarmoured

🥹

Or flak iir

For either the scab bruiser bp or the dredge bruiser

[terse idol]

So yeah you definelty want BM, headtaker, +Unarmoured

And THEN you gotta get a few supporting talents to test your crusher 3 hit bp

[tall torrent]

This is a bit outdated

[faint river]

i shoot crushers with my plasma gun

[terse idol]

Gwah!

[tall torrent]

Remember that this was made before U&L

[faint river]

my melee is just for defence

[terse idol]

Iml if you're still using rashad you may as well build what ya need for it

[tall torrent]

U can melee crushers

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ?si=yBZUhnn9DafGAZt8

[terse idol]

It has the duel purpose of killing hordes and crushers... and kind of everything else

[faint river]

zealots usually grab em before i can, so i pick em off at range

[steady wolf]

Erm I think I'll just use 1 krak to kill 10 crushers instead

(I'm him)

[terse idol]

Its still unarmoured + carapace isn't it, or is there something better

[steady wolf]

Gotta love how goofy the lil overhead chop looks AND staggers crushers

[terse idol]

In any case though rashad is reeealllllyy good

[faint river]

alr

[tall torrent]

Unarmored is QOL
Easier to access Scab bruiser 1HS (otherwise needs headtaker stacks)
Easier to access Dreg gunner 2HS (elite needs headtaker stacks)
Can crit 1HS Dreg Shotgunner

[red laurel]

Was this migrated to Steam yet?

[tall torrent]

Steam guide is work in progress (gonna take a while)

I’m adding a metric ton of extra detail so the steam version would not be a 1:1 port, more like an overall upgrade

[umbral scaffold]

Bonk bonk bonk

[red laurel]

Well personally I would love a 1:1 port just so I can access it from the comfort of Steam

[hollow ibex]

just download a PDF of the current guide

[red laurel]

Ooh it does have a table of contents. So it has what I seek in a steam guide. Thought it'd look more like the Ogrynomicon PDF

[hollow ibex]

yeah i jump around in the PDF with the table of contents

[alpine scaffold]

Just for fun, what would be the ideal team set up for x4 Vets on Auric/Havoc? Or can it not be done at all?

[hollow ibex]

auric can be anything you want

[terse idol]

I imagine

4 voc

Done

[hollow ibex]

havoc would prob be best played with 4x VOC, at least 1 guy running fully upgraded smokes, and the rest running frags

maybe 1 with kraks

and then all Rashad / infernus laspistol or recon las

[red laurel]

Why would you run smokes?

[alpine scaffold]

How did you 4 vets clear that mission so fast? uhhh we just shouted at each other the whole time.

[hollow ibex]

because gunners and shooters on havoc are insane

[terse idol]

Because gunners on high havoc mulch you in second

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/go-for-it-you-can-do-it-encourage-do-it-gif-14006408

[terse idol]

Reapers too

At least that's what I heard

[hollow ibex]

yeah honestly they're already more annoying on auric

[terse idol]

😌

[hollow ibex]

oh havoc a single shooter burst will take out like 2/3rds of your toughness

[terse idol]

Reapers being 3x as tanky too

[hollow ibex]

not even gunners

just a normal mob shooter

[red laurel]

And you can't just ground them with a Frag grenade?

[alpine scaffold]

Gunners are absolute pains in Havoc -_-

[terse idol]

Isn't there a modifier that makes it so shooters don't stop shooting?

[alpine scaffold]

yea

[hollow ibex]

way too many angles and locations to cover

[terse idol]

[hollow ibex]

you still need smoke or bubble

smoke better for cover

[red laurel]

So you smoke your feet like a bubble?

[hollow ibex]

kinda, better cover against ranged enemies

but no toughness regen

bubble pops in like 6-7 seconds under heavy fire though

[alpine scaffold]

best if you are caught in the open with no cover near

[hollow ibex]

whereas smokes stay up for a while with tinkrer

[red laurel]

Currently levelling my Veteran. Any talent and or ranged weapon suggestions? Just not Plasma Gun

[uneven mango]

Can I get some advice on how to get a penance? Im fairly new to the game (I started when it released on Ps5) and I want to complete the “For The Emperor (1)” penance for the helmet, but Idk how to do long bomb and struggle to get marked for death done

[alpine scaffold]

recon las is good for quick volume down range

Bolter is also good for long range, especially with executioners stance

[red laurel]

Is it ok without talents to synergise with it?

[hollow ibex]

yeah doesn't matter too much until latero n

[alpine scaffold]

depends on what difficulty/game type you are playing

[terse idol]

There are youtube guides for specific locations for long bomb

But the general rule is you need a location long enough without a ceiling

To be able to throw the grenade nearly straight up and down

And it must airburst

[alpine scaffold]

Bolter is good early on for taking out the special enemies.

[hollow ibex]

i did it on the bridge overlooking low ground in the early part of hab dreyko

[terse idol]

Two of the maps has a long bridge you can do it on

[hollow ibex]

just yesterday actually

[terse idol]

I did it on the extraction point where you take the ammo from the trains

[hollow ibex]

that's a good one too

[terse idol]

And at the end you can see the drop down point from the storm raptor

[hollow ibex]

it's easier on higher difficulty levels

[red laurel]

Any melee suggestions? Kinda forgot that I haven't played Vet for a long time

[hollow ibex]

when there's a horde trying to murder you

[alpine scaffold]

hmmm I may need to do some penance farming soon. I have been neglecting that since Havoc started