#veteran-class

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austere mica
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Sadly it isn't like mk2 PGS

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Where the uppercut is stronger

pastel yew
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I wonder if the relic swords are zealot exclusive because relic weapons or

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they genuinely dont want 2h vet weapons

austere mica
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They are exclusive

pastel yew
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as it definitely feels weird vets got no weapon

austere mica
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Faithy crusader weapon + implication via dev blog design talk

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And how they talked about the differences in empowerment style

pastel yew
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honestly I just assumed they didnt change the power sword to see how the new system pans out

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now that getting power cycler 4 doesnt cost your first born son it'd be fine to adjust how they work imo

austere mica
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No they said its intentional at this point

pastel yew
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weird

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especially since what the 1h ps has is garbage

austere mica
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Dependability for the soldier versus potentially dangerous power for the maniac

pastel yew
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dependability > shuts off when you get sneezed on

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though yes I know its a bug its

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funny

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I just hate weapons that have no blessing versatility

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power sword is just take bm and pc

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or sunder sometimes apparently

austere mica
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The uppercut is first

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Its so peak

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I love it so much

pastel yew
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will definitely give it a go then

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I need to branch out more and try the different marks as

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normally I land on one I like and just use that

austere mica
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The uppercut is fucking monstrous

pastel yew
austere mica
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The running thrust oneshots

pastel yew
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I've only really seen zealots one tapping with the running thrust though yeah

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with dash

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do you need fury to get the 1 hit?

austere mica
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A bit hard to setup in live but its still fun

austere mica
pastel yew
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mmh

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I need to do some reading on the weapons as most of my zealot build knowledge is pretty shaky

austere mica
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First pin is PGS

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in zealot chat

pastel yew
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oh nice, thanks

austere mica
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Oh yeah this thing has like

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an actually complicated moveset

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mk 10 is easier but mk 2 has the uppercut

pastel yew
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I'd likely just use whatever has more fun elite clear

austere mica
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Both work

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Up to you

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best part about them

pastel yew
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mmh I'll end up trying both

austere mica
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Mk is preference

pastel yew
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I'm in the middle of crafting one now

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just leveling it up

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I spent all my resources on chain axe pre patch Kleo not my smartest move

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but the chain axe is hella fun so

austere mica
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I had a godroll within 10 mins

pastel yew
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not too salty about it

austere mica
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stacked 500000 dockets to insta buy up to 20 mastery

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(450000 got me to 19, also 6000 plasteel)

pastel yew
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yeah that's the way

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new crafting system has me broke though

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I ended up getting 20 on a lot of weapons I dont even really use like the flamer

austere mica
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Flamer is really good

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Shores up CC deficiencies

pastel yew
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yeah I mean I can see that mechanically just using it doesnt really feel good

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not in a way that it's weak I just feel like

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I'm not really engaged ig

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I have a similar issue with most weapons you dont aim

austere mica
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Yeah I can see that

pastel yew
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most psyker stuff really isnt fun to me

tall torrent
austere mica
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But i also get to watch a funny number on my hud count to 30 and enemies zip off into the stratosphere

pastel yew
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all I'm saying is we could have got a power fist...

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we get nothing

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vet continuously being the most underprivileged overprivileged class

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keystones for everyone! not you.

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new weapons for everyone! not you.

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the relic sword gives me a reason to play zealot again after the nerf to fury on ranged rending, that felt so awful

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shotguns back in the aggressively mid tier after being so incredibly fun

austere mica
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I'm fine with vet getting left out for once

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(I'm allowed to say this they're my most played)

pastel yew
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theres just no reason for it to be that way though

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I mean the way I see it

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I'm gonna use them all.. even ogryn now as they have fun weapons added

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so this is just 75% of a full patch

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I am kinda hoping the next vet weapon is a melee weapon though

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even though I guess thats not class identity as such

delicate wagon
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How does smoke work, always throw on team or at enemy? does it work between us and enemy in the middle?

steep grail
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the next update to vet should be removing the plasma gun until fatshark locks in and fixes it

cyan verge
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ideally smokes go on top of the enemy ranged units

delicate wagon
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ok ty, no benefit to throw on team then if enemy units a ways out?

hollow ibex
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it acts like a bubble shield of sorts

steep grail
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smokes do weird things

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less than you think

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i don't recall if trappers and dogs can get you in the smoke

hollow ibex
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i think they try to get into the smoke

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before trapping you

steep grail
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i know flamers practically ignore smoke

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because they can just walk into the smoke

hollow ibex
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smoke's mainly super good for havoc

steep grail
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its only value in normal modes is sniper gauntlet

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afaik

tawdry perch
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Shock maul good?

idle swallow
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its a very average weapon

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bad against unyielding

tawdry perch
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Stun no good on elites or just overall mid weapon?

hollow ibex
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overall mid is a good way to describe it

steep grail
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overall mid on vet

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very good on zealot though

fiery raft
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what makes it good on zeal?

hollow ibex
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zealot's got way better options

pallid jetty
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stun grenade is ok

tawdry perch
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Is all melee bad on vet tho

hollow ibex
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smaul is mostly a weapon you take when you aren't speccing for melee combat

steep grail
hollow ibex
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and want a sidearm

pastel yew
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I mean theres always gonna be a better weapon

fiery raft
pastel yew
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as long as its usuably good

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I remember opinions on it being fairly positive when it dropped

fiery raft
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power sword is very good, duelsword is just good on everyone

hollow ibex
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and you'll be using them

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a lot

cyan verge
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duelling sword is trash on ogryn

fiery raft
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combat knife is very good

hollow ibex
pastel yew
fiery raft
pastel yew
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they have better breakpoints

steep grail
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which is annoying as fuck

fiery raft
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granted i never play ogryn

steep grail
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vet is as good in melee as zealot

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which is just not right to me

fiery raft
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what makes vet so good in melee as zealot?

cyan verge
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yeah

pastel yew
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yeah I mean damage wise vet is better but zealot gets other things

steep grail
pastel yew
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they're more uhh.. personally tanky?

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they get throwing knives...

fiery raft
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recip and desperado?

pastel yew
steep grail
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yes

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those alone make vet broken in melee

pastel yew
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vet generally has absurd finesse so weakspot + crit very good

ancient path
hollow ibex
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eh i wouldnt' say vet is better than zealot at melee

pastel yew
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I mean depends on what you prioritize

tawdry perch
pastel yew
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if you mean strictly damage

steep grail
pastel yew
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and good break points

steep grail
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in Duelist

pastel yew
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the vet is objectively better

hollow ibex
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duelist, TWBS, FOTF, etc. are all pretty insane

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and then you either have built-in extra dodge or extra crit

pastel yew
tawdry perch
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Keep forgetting to use the vet ultimate is it viable to always use when having it

hollow ibex
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with cracked ability regen

fiery raft
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i forge their names

pastel yew
steep grail
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vet is as good as zealot if you build vet for melee entirely

tawdry perch
pastel yew
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extremely good at ranged combat too though

hollow ibex
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i think zealot is still a bit stronger in melee, but that's kinda zealot's whole schtick

pastel yew
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weapon spec is insane

fiery raft
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these three

steep grail
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yes

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scourge enduring faith

pastel yew
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there are some clips of rashad comparisons floating about

cyan verge
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imo they should rework the stupid zealot tree and give them, ACTUAL MELEE NODES, like "here, more damage on everything - with melee" "free rending - on melee" "attack speed on crit - in melee"

pastel yew
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with the vet being consistently 1-2 hits less depending on whats active

steep grail
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zealot tree is fine

pastel yew
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for crushers that is

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zealot tree is fine

steep grail
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vet is just fatshark's favorite child

hollow ibex
pastel yew
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honestly all the classes are overtuned

steep grail
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who needs to have everything

pastel yew
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its just a privilege check

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some are more privileged than others

cyan verge
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zealot should be a chainsaw where they get into melee and butcher everything not like oh well they're comparable to veteran in melee

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like wtf?

hollow ibex
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and zealot gets access to its unique melee weaposn ofc

cyan verge
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oh yay, unique melee weapons, that are like... are they even good

hollow ibex
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which is why zealot rashad isn't as prevalent as vet rashad

pastel yew
fiery raft
hollow ibex
fiery raft
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from what i've seen

hollow ibex
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eviscerator is decent

cyan verge
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oh, yeah true the crusher is decent

hollow ibex
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thammer is good too

cyan verge
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and the thunder hammer is strong for the one thing you use it for

pastel yew
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zealot unique weapons are just the crusher (I've heard is good to mid), the thunder hammer (I love it but this weapon is garbage compared to many generic weapons), and the new relic sword

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which is baller

cyan verge
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the relic sword seems OK

pastel yew
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the new relic sword seems giga though so fairplay there

cyan verge
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imo it feels like, the relic sword might feel better to use than it actually is

pastel yew
hollow ibex
pastel yew
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which sucks because I love it, its so cool

cyan verge
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yeah, it's niche but at least it does that niche well

pastel yew
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but it has the chain axe issue of just being so slow compared to fast weapons which also just one shot armor

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for no reason

hollow ibex
fiery raft
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one shotting whole ass bosses is pretty cool

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but its really not that great

steep grail
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whichever class is best in melee is just a dickmeasuring contest of who uses the ds4 the best tbh

cyan verge
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lol

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I wish it wasn't LIKE that though because it should be unambiguous that zealot is the best melee class, no?

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that's their THING

steep grail
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it should be

pastel yew
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though yeah not a fair comparison

pallid jetty
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wth is ds4

pastel yew
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also no stam cost

steep grail
pastel yew
cyan verge
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Duelling Sword mk IV = DS4

hollow ibex
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well DS is broken on zealot too

steep grail
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yes

pastel yew
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yeah it is

fiery raft
pallid jetty
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jesus

steep grail
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DS is the best melee in the game on zealot

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it also isn't close

cyan verge
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DS4 is the destroyer

pastel yew
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dont get me wrong like, I think a lot of weapons are good enough its just by comparison they suffer

hollow ibex
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so that's just a weird outlier that reaaaally shouldn't exist

pastel yew
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look at the chain axe

tawdry perch
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How's the greatsword on zealot doing

pastel yew
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amazing weapon, super fun

cyan verge
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wrong chat to ask

fiery raft
hollow ibex
pastel yew
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just objectively way worse than other options

cyan verge
hollow ibex
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psyker sword is better lol

pastel yew
fiery raft
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hearing all this about melee vet makes me wanna do double barrel melee wep spec build

pastel yew
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the knife is another one of those does everything well weapons

cyan verge
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stop with the double barrel it sucks

pastel yew
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elite clear, anti armor, boss damage, horde clear

cyan verge
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everyone be like 'doomslayer build double shotgun build' it's bad

pastel yew
fiery raft
steep grail
pastel yew
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the lack of range does suck though

fiery raft
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and the times ive used it is fun

cyan verge
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bring it into like a generic damnation if you want just don't bring it to aurics please

pastel yew
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god I wish vet had throwing knives

fiery raft
tawdry perch
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Combat or db shotgun? Trynna go for high damage that isn't recon lasgun

pastel yew
fiery raft
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preobably no aurics

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i doubt id live

tawdry perch
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Keeps dragging me back in

steep grail
cyan verge
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I have never been so sad as when I see someone being butchered by a sniper because they brought a shotgun, any shotgun, they're like oh won't someone help me with this sniper

steep grail
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:3

pastel yew
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I did a maelstrom with it yesterday and was joint top statting with that and a chainaxe

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its fine

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its only weak point is you cant kill snipers really

cyan verge
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I only have a melee weapon, and a shotgun so I have 0 range on a class where I am meant to be killing every special that exists, someone help me kill this special

pastel yew
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then it gets really annoying

steep grail
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the plasma gun will do your taxes for you if you want it to

hollow ibex
pseudo fiber
cyan verge
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shame the pellet count SUCKS still

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by comparison with say, ogryn's kickback

pseudo fiber
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you can snipe snipers with it easily

pastel yew
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class roles mean nothing in a game where you can get any combo of any set of classes

cyan verge
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now the kickback, you can use that shotgun

pseudo fiber
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idk skill issue folks

fiery raft
hollow ibex
pastel yew
cyan verge
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the kickback can one-shot snipers at almost any range if you get half-lucky

pastel yew
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which other weapons can do

cyan verge
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whereas all the other shotguns

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are just

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pathetic

pastel yew
pseudo fiber
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yeah but I use db to onetap maulers, ragers and scab ragers so

pastel yew
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theres so much negativity around it

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also I dont want to use a lfg

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or the group finder in game

steep grail
fiery raft
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whats the problem with havoc?

pastel yew
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yeah it doesnt seem that good

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I was so hype

pseudo fiber
fiery raft
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ive done 1 havoc

pastel yew
tawdry perch
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Is havoc just difficult for no reason or something?

hollow ibex
pastel yew
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people might figure some stuff out but

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the balance seems off

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from what I've heard its not hard

hollow ibex
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it'

pastel yew
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just really slow and tedious

steep grail
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I have no issue with hard content

cyan verge
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it's not 'fun' hard though

steep grail
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I have an issue when the hard content is "how slow and annoying and limiting can everything be"

fiery raft
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im assuming its just

pastel yew
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nah it just sounds tedious

fiery raft
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a 'war of attrition' gamemode?

hollow ibex
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it's artificially difficult by just buffing everything like crazy while nerfing players, so there's kind of a weird meta in havoc which isn't found in normal gameplay

cyan verge
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aurics are kinda fun hard, it's just chaos and you gotta survive and you can do that by being good

fiery raft
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where you just gotta outlastthe enemy

pastel yew
hollow ibex
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that's refreshing and annoying at the same time

pseudo fiber
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not that tedious honestly it's more being tuned in for like 40 minutes can get exhausting

pastel yew
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as I can see a lot of people really getting into that slow clearing team based combat

steep grail
pastel yew
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its just not what I want, which is harder darktide normal

hollow ibex
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because shit like smokes doesn't get unironically used by serious players, but in havoc smokes are the word of god

pastel yew
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let me get resources playing solo

steep grail
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or twitch modes where you can host private lobbies with 200% spawn density like vt2

fiery raft
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i mean, i played scavenge in left 4 dead 2 lol

pastel yew
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I beg, john darktide

fiery raft
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but thats the closest ive done

cyan verge
steep grail
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twitch 200 in darktide would fix me

cyan verge
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I am gonna get the cosmetics out of havoc and stop

pastel yew
pseudo fiber
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well you gotta play 50 of them lol so

tawdry perch
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Do u think vet is the easiest class to get in too

steep grail
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yes

cyan verge
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I am already about halfway there

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so whatever

steep grail
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vet is also the easiest class

pseudo fiber
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fair enough

pastel yew
pseudo fiber
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I'm having fun at high levels so idk

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yay

pastel yew
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you wouldnt be able to double max load for sure

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you'd have to remove down time instead

fiery raft
pastel yew
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so something like a constant horde modifier?

tall torrent
cyan verge
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yeah that's the funny thing, they want more difficulty so they gave up on scaling up enemy spawns to scale up their stats, alas

tall torrent
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You don’t want attrition in havoc

steep grail
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with more mixed hordes

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I just want harder aurics I think that's it

pastel yew
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constant horde sounds hella fun but man I'd only play like 1

pastel yew
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a major difficulty issue rn

fiery raft
tall torrent
pastel yew
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so many maps have sections with no enemy spawns for certain things

fiery raft
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i've only done havoc 1

pastel yew
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like the carnival end hold has

fiery raft
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and it seemed kind of odd

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idk

pastel yew
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literally nothing threatening

fiery raft
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maybe too early to tell

tall torrent
pseudo fiber
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yes havoc 1 is too early to tell.

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objectively

tall torrent
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Havoc1 is like baby mode lol

fiery raft
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oh i see

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im not sure about it, i just really hate the lfg system

pastel yew
tall torrent
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Havoc 1 is malice with one modifier

tawdry perch
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It's 2am should I get vet to 25 or watxh sopranos

pseudo fiber
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sopranos

pastel yew
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their lack of variety really harms them

cyan verge
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havoc is like, it only gets 'kind of challenging, play seriously' at havoc 15 or so, and once you get to havoc 25 it's like okay you are playing havoc now, you have to be playing havoc builds

tawdry perch
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Gabagool

fiery raft
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i thought it'd atleast be damnation

steep grail
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it feels like nothing changes

tall torrent
fiery raft
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oh okay

steep grail
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I want it to be more threatening

pastel yew
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and then other things applied on top of that

steep grail
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yes

pastel yew
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at least for damnation +

steep grail
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double hisg would be nice

tawdry perch
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Why do gun acquisition give u such low level weapons

pastel yew
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auric maelstrom is great... some times

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and then you get like hunting grounds

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fuck you wait an hour

fiery raft
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i despise lights out

tawdry perch
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Kinda capped at 280 for my guns and I'm kinda getting beat

pastel yew
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too many gimicky conditions

fiery raft
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lights out is super cool

pastel yew
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even the fun ones get nuked because you know what you're going into

fiery raft
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but i hate it so much

tall torrent
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Lights out is super cinematic

pastel yew
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you play monstrous maelstrom and someone comes in with a thammer or something and you just cry

tall torrent
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For the first 30 seconds u play it

fiery raft
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yeah exactly

tall torrent
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Then it’s complete dogshit

fiery raft
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its so cool

pastel yew
fiery raft
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and then it feels so terrible to play

pastel yew
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are so good in lights out

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a lot of maps just arent designed with it in mind though

tall torrent
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Lights out is just unsalvageable dogshit

fiery raft
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they should add like

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flares atleast

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or something

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give everyone a flashlight, idk

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but just let me see

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please

pastel yew
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they should make the vet stealth night vision actually let you see in the fuckin dark painconsumesme

tall torrent
pastel yew
tall torrent
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I agree

fiery raft
pastel yew
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at least without weapon customization mod

fiery raft
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just for light

pastel yew
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lets you swap your weapon special for a flashlight

fiery raft
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i do know about that mod

pastel yew
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you should use it, it is very nice

fiery raft
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i just havent gotten around to using it

pastel yew
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you will never look back I promise

fiery raft
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it just feels jarring knowing my teammates cant see it

pastel yew
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also being able to change your optics is a huge quality of life change

fiery raft
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ill give it a shot rn

pastel yew
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while you're at it

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get psych ward

fiery raft
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psych ward?

pastel yew
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it lets you access all of the shit on the ship, from the main menu

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and directly queue

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without having to load into the morning star

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if you just wanna hop on to test something

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or check a store

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or do something

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it removes a lot of fuck about

fiery raft
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oh, thats sweet

pastel yew
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its the kind of thing you try and think, "wow why isnt this the base game option"

fiery raft
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from what ive seen theres a lot like that

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something i'd like is to see my buffs more clearly

pastel yew
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I dont think I can drop my modlist as a file as sus but

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fiery raft
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is there a specific mod for that?

pastel yew
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these are what I've got

pastel yew
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there are a lot of hud adjustment mods though

steep grail
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i recommend debuff_indicator

pastel yew
steep grail
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exactly what it sounds like

pastel yew
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outside of... yknow the obvious but how is it implemented

steep grail
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whenever an elite, special or boss has debuffs on it

hollow ibex
steep grail
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there's a name for the debuff and a % next to it

hollow ibex
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it's not pretty, but it works

steep grail
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over the enemy

pseudo fiber
fiery raft
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ill check it out

tall torrent
pastel yew
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the time it saves you

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will always be more than the occasional crash costs you

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by a fairly large margin

tall torrent
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That’s the nice part I just don’t play lights out chadgryn

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I reject it for being a garbage modifier

hollow ibex
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it can be pretty intense, but it's also annoying as fuck

pastel yew
hollow ibex
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literally can't see an enemy 2 feet in front of you

pastel yew
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my mod list gets smaller each patch

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I had two mods causing an issue recently

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numericUI and chatblock

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of all things

hollow ibex
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meanwhile me running

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pastel yew
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were causing me to crash whenever I loaded anything

pseudo fiber
pastel yew
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I'm not sure what the devs update to just nuke mods literally every time but

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owch

pseudo fiber
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mainly a colour and an event name got changed

pastel yew
pseudo fiber
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so it's like

tall torrent
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I just use these

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pseudo fiber
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popUpColour.psyker_peril() or something
Then psyker_peril gets deleted
tries to reference it

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"What the fuck"

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crash

pastel yew
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mmh, at least it's dealt with but... changes like that are a little frustrating when they just nuke your list and now you have to play detective

fiery raft
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my list

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very small atm

pastel yew
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even though 90% of the time its weapon customization

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thats broken

pseudo fiber
tall torrent
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merely remove weapon customization

pastel yew
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hell nah

pseudo fiber
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Oh the chat block thing was you had to replace Managers.state.cinematic:active() with Managers.state.cinematic:cinematic_active().

pastel yew
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lose my cool longsword heavysword?

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hell nah

pseudo fiber
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minor name change lolol

pastel yew
tall torrent
pastel yew
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like steam workshop or some in client mod search

tall torrent
pastel yew
pseudo fiber
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and go through approved mods agian

pastel yew
#

some of these iron sights garbage

pseudo fiber
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hell no

pastel yew
#

was this a vermintide issue?

tall torrent
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Just Helbore and vigilant autoguns tbh

pseudo fiber
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yes

pastel yew
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only really the revolver I keep it the same

tall torrent
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That’s kind of a personal problem

pastel yew
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mhm for sure

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but like

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its a basic feature

pseudo fiber
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hellbore is like it for me

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the rest I'm fine with

pastel yew
#

in the 41st millenium they forgot how rails work ig

tall torrent
pastel yew
#

aint no way james workshop is to blame for that... right?

pseudo fiber
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I was watching dorns havoc 40 clear what mods makes your character never shut the fuck up

pastel yew
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the ttrpgs had loads of weapon modding stuff

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though they have denied other things for strange unknowable reasons so

pseudo fiber
tall torrent
pastel yew
#

no tzaangors with beaks or whatever

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not allowed

pseudo fiber
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no storm bolter

pastel yew
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they're so weird as a company

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simultaneously giving out their IP to whoever will make a dogshit game

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and also being completely randomly draconian about its presentation

hearty panther
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there's a reason no major company is putting out 40K games for an easy in with an established audience

pastel yew
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all I want is some kinda total war 40k game

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and I'll be

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happy

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serenity at last

hollow ibex
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we're getting one no?

pastel yew
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its not confirmed but

tall torrent
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It’s coming
Eventually

pastel yew
#

yeah

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itd be really dumb if they didnt

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I would let them do unspeakable things to my wallet

tall torrent
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When it comes I’m one tricking deathstrike missile with imperial guard

hollow ibex
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i still hold a grudge against TW fantasy for fucking over the TW franchise

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pastel yew
hollow ibex
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there are prob better franchises for a 40K game, but i'm glad it's CA doing it

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because they've already gone off the deep end anyway

hollow ibex
pastel yew
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idk I feel like a lot of the historical stuff was already p shit

hollow ibex
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nah, stuff like medieval 2 and shogun were groundbreaking

pastel yew
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I know three kingdoms was really well received but thats not straight fantasy

hollow ibex
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but then after the fantasy shit, CA just stopped giving a fuck about historical TW

pastel yew
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and look at alllll those games between those releases and now

terse idol
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Sooooooooooo goood

iron marten
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my older brother still plays shogun 2 lmao

terse idol
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Woopsie

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Until 3

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3 sucked as

pastel yew
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I dont think you could make a ground breaking historical game now really

hollow ibex
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nah they definitely can

pastel yew
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for me at least the unit variety isnt there

hollow ibex
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they just suck at it

terse idol
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Doesn't heart of iron count

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Heart of steel?

hollow ibex
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like pharoahs is actually really good, but it took them YEARS to fix the game

terse idol
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If you like spread sheets

pastel yew
#

wait

hollow ibex
#

and TW3K is great, but it's like half fantasy

pastel yew
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how many years ago did

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pharaoh release

iron marten
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shogun 2 was kinda interesting cause it was kind of what happens when you also introduce gunpowder in samurai warfare

terse idol
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The honorable samurai

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Picking up the Boom stick

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😌

hollow ibex
iron marten
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Yeah, just accept Jesus, and we'll give you guns

pastel yew
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jhesus you

hollow ibex
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but yeah took them a while still

pastel yew
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scared me

terse idol
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Oda Nobunaga was a cool guy

pastel yew
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shogun 2 seems cool conceptually

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I think I just got in too late for a lot of these games

iron marten
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Funniest shit is just using cannons during sieges and absolutely obliterating the defense

pastel yew
#

rome and medieval feel so dated

hollow ibex
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medieval 2 is ancient by this point sadly

iron marten
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Total War Empire probably would be my favourite Total War though

hollow ibex
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rome 2 is still good

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i would love a medieval 3 or empire 2

pastel yew
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those seem to be the main ones people wish for

hollow ibex
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but CA's too busy drinking the games workshop koolaid

pastel yew
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moneyyy

hollow ibex
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that's what happens when they get a whiff of the WH money lol

pastel yew
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literal money printing machine

iron marten
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If you're willing to play two games, you can play CK3 with a mod that boots up Total War Attila whenever you enter combat with your troops

hollow ibex
#

but yeah that's why i have a grudge against WH fantasy

pastel yew
hollow ibex
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hijacking my favorite historical franchise

pastel yew
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hillarious

iron marten
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yeah, and apparently, it's pretty good lol

pastel yew
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its not like they arent releasing historical games to be fair

iron marten
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I only have CK3 though, I don't have Total War Attila

pastel yew
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its likely entirely different teams working on them

hollow ibex
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i never tried it, there's also one that links up CK3 with Bannerlord

pastel yew
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its just the historical stuff doesnt really sell as much

iron marten
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I just want a new Alien Isolation from CA

fiery raft
hollow ibex
pastel yew
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even though I think three kingdoms did really well? but got cancelled outta no where

hollow ibex
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for its time

fiery raft
hollow ibex
pastel yew
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now time to grind plasteel to make it good good

hollow ibex
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CA released a devblog titled "the future of TW3K"

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and then they canceled it

pastel yew
#

also @fiery raft, if you didnt know the tech for leveling weapons rapidly

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you can buy them at brunt, and then upgrade them a tier

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and sacrifice them

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for stupid amounts of xp

pastel yew
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I'm glad they fixed pharaoh though

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thats a good sign

hollow ibex
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yup KEKW_ogryn

pastel yew
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they seemed to realise how awful their pr was getting

hollow ibex
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yeah

pastel yew
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the community was so poisoned around that time

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I ended up leaving and ignoring it all as it was just constant rage

hollow ibex
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they were fucking up both historical and fantasy simultaneously

pastel yew
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mhm

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then they made hyenas

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big sigh

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I'd also kill for a tw ww1

hollow ibex
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at least they've managed to turn it around, unlike ubishit that keeps eating Ls for breakfast

pastel yew
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if they make a 40k game they're not gonna be too dissimilar

fiery raft
pastel yew
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thats probably the only historical setting that would really draw me in

iron marten
#

WW1 Total War...

pastel yew
#

yeah ubisoft has been on a mad loss streak of late

pastel yew
hollow ibex
fiery raft
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this is my current

iron marten
#

There's a mod for Total War Napoleon that does that, but it'd be amazing if it was an actual game

pastel yew
#

how good is the mod though

fiery raft
#

what would i replace brutal momentum qwith?

pastel yew
#

as mod content is always a... wide range of

hollow ibex
pastel yew
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quality

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also yea you dont

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brutal momentum is really good

iron marten
austere mica
hollow ibex
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the mod was good, but the underlying game is very old now

pastel yew
#

its more cleave than all the other cleave

austere mica
#

You don’t

pastel yew
#

you can take sunder

cyan verge
pastel yew
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I think thats good with the mk3?

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it probably hits some new breakpoints given how people have talked about it

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but I think bm is just real good

iron marten
#

honestly, I'm eating good, but I want more Survival Horror games

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I can only repeat RE4 so much

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and SH2

pastel yew
#

are we getting a new game

iron marten
#

Rumoured to be RE9

pastel yew
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I'm kinda hoping for another third person game

iron marten
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and RE5 remake afterwards

cyan verge
pastel yew
#

I like the first person stuff but... it'd be nice for something more classic

iron marten
pastel yew
#

re5 remake would be killer

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I love that game

cyan verge
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think so yeah

pastel yew
#

it holds up so well even though its shit on

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rightfully so but

fiery raft
iron marten
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and the bad voice acting was on point, I really felt like I was playing a ps1 game

pastel yew
#

if it wasnt a resident evil game people would love it

fiery raft
#

is it really just THE pick?

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along with cycler ofc

pastel yew
#

and empower and swing

iron marten
#

I need RE5 remake

pastel yew
#

it gives an absurd amount of cleave

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like multiple targets more than even the best cleave blessing

iron marten
#

I converted 2 of my friends into being RE fans by playing RE5 with them hahaha

fiery raft
pastel yew
#

so ignoring hit mass is like

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pretending that thing you killed

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wasnt there

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so infinite cleave.. to a point

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its basically a must pick on every weapon that has access to its effect

iron marten
#

Brutal Momentum, when you weakspot kill, has infinite cleave up to 4 enemies

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and doesn't damage falloff in those 4 enemies

pastel yew
#

big increase

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very good

fiery raft
#

yeah, thinking about it that sounds way good

austere mica
#

Tac axe can work without it

pastel yew
#

also extra weakspot damage is good for bosses and crushers

iron marten
#

sorry, should say weakspot kill

fiery raft
#

what would i nab for perks?

austere mica
#

About it though

#

Bromentum is the only reason Rashad is good

pastel yew
#

compared to other things

fiery raft
austere mica
#

It works on some variants

fiery raft
#

im thinking carapace and infested?

austere mica
#

But others ignore it

austere mica
pastel yew
#

I like unyielding

austere mica
#

There is not a single weapon it is good for

pastel yew
#

because the boss scaling is already p good

fiery raft
#

i see

pastel yew
#

the push attack does silly damage

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if you hit weakspot

fiery raft
#

i just dont melee bosses though

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atleast with this build

pastel yew
#

mmh, you will eventually in some builds though so worth keeping in mind

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I cant remember the maniac breakpoints

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but it might be worth

austere mica
#

Learn to anyway

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Learning to loop attacks on bosses is a pretty important skill

pastel yew
#

yeah it's a good weapon to get to grips with as it deals with bosses and armor really well

fiery raft
#

alright

pastel yew
#

its defence is a lil weak if you're trying to learn

#

oh waittt

#

thats a mod you should get

austere mica
#

You can stunlock pogryns and cspawns while also fighting back

pastel yew
#

creature spawner

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it lets you spawn and fight enemies in the psykanium

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making it an actually useful feature

austere mica
#

Creature spawner bosses are harder

pastel yew
#

real?

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why

austere mica
#

No lag comp in psykhanium

pastel yew
#

ah I mean, still better they're harder than easier

austere mica
#

Tighter input windows

pastel yew
#

I havent noticed a difference really though

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helped me get a lot of my dodges down

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its also a neat environment as some bosses its kinda hard to see their attack sequences in regular play as theres a lot going on

#

how many people realise the chaos spawn has like.. 2 combos and a grab

#

the boss design in this game is pretty weak

fiery raft
#

i should grab cspawner yeah

pastel yew
#

its also just nice to test out certain interactions

fiery raft
#

what would i do to stunlock those two?

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pogryn and cspawn

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also its done

#

now to play with it for the next hour

austere mica
#

You get into a specific loop dodging away from the overhead slam and then closing to attack

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Once you get the timing you can loop it forever

pastel yew
# fiery raft

almost done yee, just gotta sink plasteelinto it for stats

fiery raft
#

its mastery 16, ive sunk as much as i can into it for now

#

and i dont got much ordo

pastel yew
#

very cool

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probably wont do it though

pastel yew
#

the only thing curios provide of worth I swear

#

I love gold

fiery raft
#

mr krabs

pastel yew
#

I mean thats 1.3x the number of weapon rolls I get

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thats a good increase

tall torrent
iron marten
#

still can't believe fs keeps the ordo cap at 25million...

pastel yew
#

though part of me hopes it doesnt so I dont feel compelled to play it

tall torrent
#

Otherwise I think havoc would be pretty meaningless outside of bragging rights and getting cosmetics

pastel yew
#

cosmetics are such a grind.. 50 games

tall torrent
#

50 games aren’t bad

#

Just join someone else’s party lol

pastel yew
#

as someone who plays like 2 games average per play session

#

thats a lot

tall torrent
#

U need to assist others’ assignments for the helmet

austere mica
#

50 games is like

tall torrent
#

U could join someone else’s havoc10 and just speedrun

austere mica
#

33 hours at absolute high end

#

(40 min games)

tall torrent
#

There’s basically no crafting material loot in the mission

terse idol
#

Just play 50 trains i gusss

pastel yew
#

only 33 hours

tall torrent
#

You literally just run

pastel yew
austere mica
terse idol
tall torrent
pastel yew
austere mica
#

Probably closer to 25 hrs on average (30 min games)

terse idol
#

Woops

#

No train

#

Thankfully

pastel yew
#

25hrs of something I likely wont enjoy much for

#

a helmet and cool chestplate

austere mica
#

Well it is supposed to be the rare cosmetics

pastel yew
#

mhm

austere mica
#

On the hard mode

iron marten
#

Just waiting for vet to get a two handed sword...

pastel yew
#

I'd rather they just be hitting havoc 40 or something

#

that sounds

#

less of a grind

austere mica
tall torrent
#

Havoc I think is

Chasm logistratum
Mercantile
Warren
Clandestium gloriana
Vigil station
Archivum sycorax

Not sure what the other 2 maps are

austere mica
#

Wouldn’t fit stylistically

pastel yew
#

vet power fist.. vet power fist...

#

if I think on it enough

#

I'll put it into the universe

iron marten
#

yeah... just playing with basically the equivalent of executioner's sword in darktide reminded me how much I loved them in vt2 lmao

pastel yew
#

a vet shock whip would be killer too

tall torrent
pastel yew
#

but I doubt thats ever gonna happen

pastel yew
tall torrent
#

Kind of yea

austere mica
#

Whips are esoteric gang shit (on human factions) or that one sororitas unit

#

Lady who leads a bunch of repentia

pastel yew
#

I can dream though

image.png
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darktide could be so fucking cool

image.png
#

I wish they released weapons more frequently

hearty panther
#

its a lot of work

#

we want more cause they take their time and do them right

pastel yew
#

there have been some real forgettable drops though

#

I do appreciate

#

there are just a lot of weapons I'd really like to see added

#

that provide reasonably different experiences than what we got

#

the new weapons all seem good this time though

dusky galleon
#

Mk IV or Mk XIIIg chainsword?

tall torrent
lime pendant
#

Is it just me or does Melk consistantly carry awful items? Pre - Unlocked and Loaded he was at least useful for occasionally farming good blessing but I don't think I've noticed a solid piece of gear on him for forever.

tawny badger
#

rng moment

cyan verge
serene bough
slow otter
serene bough
#

otherwise i just save melkbucks or spam curios

cyan verge
#

except the rare occasion he has a good curio

#

not this one

image.png
umbral scaffold
#

So

#

I may

#

Have made all of my Curios give me reduced cooldown, extra toughness and health

#

Have i made a blunder?

cyan verge
#

no that's fine

#

also you can just redo the blessings whenever you want on them

umbral scaffold
#

I am broke

#

I somehow ran out of resources

#

I mean i have been spending like crazy. Something tells me i had way more than i actually should habe

cyan verge
#

time to cope

umbral scaffold
#

I don't think i should have almost 3 500 weapons after a day of playing

#

Well 2 days

cyan verge
#

you could probably have gunner resist but

#

like it's fine

rustic kite
#

Should I go focus target or weapon specialist for my cadian Infiltrator? Using laspistol, Combatblade and krak nades

umbral scaffold
fiery raft
#

should i?

umbral scaffold
#

There are some occasions where i am caught off guard and a gunner melts me

#

Tommorow i am gonna start playing with pre made squads

#

Cause randoms don't cut it

#

I do my job, kill the elites and big stuff, but where's my team when we're being overrun? Oh right, the Ogryn is charging 3 dudes away from our location

fiery raft
#

i feel that

#

i just finished a maelstrom run for gold and it was heresy, so not very hard

#

and one of my zealots went down a shit ton trying to solo hordes all on his own way behind us

pastel yew
#

leaving an enemy stunned or

#

having blessings that fuckin fry something

#

the special attacks are also quite lame... even though thats exactly what I was just saying they should be more of. they could stand to be more meaty and have some kinda kick to em

pastel yew
#

its so fun

tall torrent
pastel yew
#

it is massively outclassed by other weapons though

pastel yew
#

dont feel that good, might just be a personal thing though

#

like the crusher on the zealot

#

I know this is an objectively good weapon, but it feels so awful to use

#

same with the shovels like

#

eh

#

feels like I'm knocking shit around more than I'm killing them

inland orchid
#

personally I enjoy shovel gameplay, spaming light on big target heads does wonders

pastel yew
#

wait are the

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mobility and defence stats on the chain axe

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improperly labelled

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no they're just both effectively the same thing

fiery raft
pastel yew
fiery raft
#

im pretty sure the dumpstat for that wep is defense

pastel yew
#

I like the beeg hit

pastel yew
#

its perfect stat distrobution

fiery raft
#

ight

pastel yew
#

wait actually can you

#

inspect defence for me

#

whats the push cost

inland orchid
#

U can get beeg hit with the flip shovel marks imo but I understand

fiery raft
#

hol up

pastel yew
#

the flip shovels are the ones that interest me most for sure

inland orchid
#

Doesn’t got that “feel” to its impact

pastel yew
#

mhm for sure

#

shame on no brutal momentum for it

#

it'd be so funny

fiery raft
pastel yew
#

push cost 2.18

#

I have a defences 80 and the push is 1.4

fiery raft
#

i love me the shovel

pastel yew
#

so not a huge difference

#

sprint cost dont matter really

#

though if you're curious at 80 its 0.92/s

#

mobility gimps your dodge distance less and makes you run faster

#

real good

fiery raft
#

i dont really care for sprint cost

pastel yew
#

I will say if you like the chain axe, I hope you enjoy ws as that's basically mandatory

fiery raft
#

ws?

pastel yew
#

weapon specialist

#

you need the attack speed and defense boosts from t

#

it

fiery raft
#

oh

pastel yew
#

also I'd swap the mark to the mk12

fiery raft
#

i mean im willing too try

pastel yew
#

I think generally mk12 is just a lot better

stoic basalt
#

what are the blessings to aim for on the 2 handed blaze sword?

pastel yew
stoic basalt
#

ah

pastel yew
#

no blaze swords here milord

#

unfortunately

stoic basalt
#

you are correct good sir

pastel yew
#

vet shouldget to use psyker weapons... they need it I swear

#

its only fair

stoic basalt
#

everything is a weapon if ya throw it hard enough

pastel yew
#

ogryn mentality

#

they got it figured out

stoic basalt
#

hey to be fair it works a lot of the time

fiery raft
unborn perch
#

Why do I see too many vets in havoc running Voc without grenades on ammo crates and focus target?

#

It’s so tragic

fiery raft
#

is grenades on ammo crates in havoc that necessary?

teal oasis
#

Bolt pistol vs bolt rifle? I prefer the rifle but idk I'd pistol would be better, I dislike how long it takes to pull out rifle even with perk tho

pastel yew
#

which is just way better

fiery raft
pastel yew
fiery raft
#

it takes a bit to pull out, but it does everything pretty well imo

pastel yew
#

the boltgun is more of a generalist weapon

#

or it can be giga boss damage

fiery raft
#

^

#

bolt pistol is super neat though

#

i love to use it

#

feels real punchy

pastel yew
#

mhm the bolt pistol sounds so good

fiery raft
#

im trying to find a build to use it with

#

maybe wep spec

pastel yew
#

bolt pistol also has some funny interactions with grenades if you dont mind having weird breakpoints

unborn perch
#

I run my voc vet with krak, grenades on ammo crates and focus target. So far, I have been loved immensely.

pastel yew
#

then you have the other one which is puncture + lethal proximity

fiery raft
#

is that the nade

pastel yew
#

which you take if you want frag grenades which apply bleed in a 15m radius

fiery raft
#

lmao

pastel yew
#

literal ogryn nuke on a 1 minute cooldown

fiery raft
#

i think ill do the bolty

#

fun bolty

#

the nade pistol is a little weird

pastel yew
#

yee IMO its the best as it gives you that impact you should be getting, one shot one exploded head

fiery raft
#

sounds like it atleast

pastel yew
#

its really good

#

its just

#

I dont think its that fun

#

if I build a build I do it for the weapon, not buffing my grenades though others will disagree

teal oasis
#

I really should use chain sword or power sword but devils claw swings nice and adds nice defense, it's hard to switch off

pastel yew
#

devil claws not bad

#

its a good all round weapon

#

chainswords pretty mid

teal oasis
#

It's certainly useful when rager stunlock

pastel yew
#

power sword is great but its mostly optimal if your build has no melee support

#

its the bandaid weapon

#

honestly I just shoot ragers unless I'm using a weapon that makes them 0 risk

#

dont gotta play into their strengths just blam em

teal oasis
#

I don't like getting close to ragers but they love shoving like 3 into a room and have them not aggro until I enter

pastel yew
#

always lurking

#

sometimes the game director cooks and just throws like 40 of them at the same time

teal oasis
#

They like hiding around corners

pastel yew
#

I have no idea if its a bug or just random chanc ebut

#

its very funny

teal oasis
#

It's funny when a conga line of 8 crushers are comeing at you, my first lvl 4 mission was like that

alpine scaffold
#

Just did a run through 16-17 Havoc with Bolter and it felt like shooting sponges. Has anyone had any success with the Bolter for Havoc. I had some success with the Recon Las. Just though the Bolter would be good for picking off the heavies.

pastel yew
#

the higher you go

alpine scaffold
#

Well I can work with that 🙂