veteran-class

[cyan verge]

fair

[tall torrent]

Otherwise not enough elite clear

[serene bough]

shredder spam too valuable

[tall torrent]

All 3 shredder guys need double regen + twinned blast

One guy takes survivalist

Other 2 take tinkerer + fire team

[serene bough]

mmmm

would survivalist go on the smoke vet

[runic axle]

btw do you people think when vet gets his turn for a new weapon it'll be a melee too or a ranged gun, maybe hellgun or plasma pistol

[serene bough]

or is double duration smokes better

[tall torrent]

Shredder

[tall torrent]

Smoke get needs tinkerer + double duration as well

I think smoke is a stronger utility than psyker bubble by a wide margin

However psyker gets insane CC + bubble in one kit

[serene bough]

less point tax to get from shredder to surv than smokes to surv i suppose

[tall torrent]

Whereas vet can’t have both so you have to divide and conquer

[serene bough]

the vape god meta is here

[tall torrent]

But psyker bubble is like

Maybe 6~7s uptime lol

It goes down super fast

Smoke is flat 30s with better cast range

[tropic notch]

Trying to atm just us

[tall torrent]

I’m not home rn

[hollow ibex]

definitely felt the lack of smoke last night lol

[tropic notch]

I’m not either

[orchid hemlock]

😯

[pastel yew]

the best controller player is still going to be worse than the average m&k player though

even outside of mouse aim being better

there are mechanical benefits the keyboard has over an analogue stick for movement

[earnest bone]

what's the idea of falter without using no respite? (since forced to Ghost) just for stagger?

[pastel yew]

its why a lot of people consider the hitbox OP for fighting game tournaments and thats basically just a keyboard

I really do think fatshark should be doing more to aid controller players I'm just not sure what they could do beyond head hitbox magnification

[tall torrent]

Stagger flamer, bomber, shotgunner & gunner

Interrupts their attack animation so they can’t hit u

[earnest bone]

k

[tall torrent]

I tried inf las last night

I don’t think it’s particularly good in comparison to laspistol

No innate crit chance for infernus vs hardened enemies

Worse synergy with shock trooper

[earnest bone]

IIb seems an alternative to Laspistol, but it has like 0 finesse at all

[tall torrent]

Worse mobility & stamina drain from sprint

[serene bough]

idk how well iib is gonna service in higher havoc

i did lvl 28 and it did okay

but like, you notice how much weaker it feels

[tall torrent]

Yea

I’m considering recon tho ngl

Recon VIc

[hollow ibex]

This is the way

[serene bough]

only thing keeping me on IIb is that you basically need 0 ammo pick ups

[hollow ibex]

Been using it a lot on Psyker and the ammo economy really helps

[earnest bone]

yeah, its extremely ammo efficient

[serene bough]

and since common gunners arent any tankier it can still clear trash gunners or at least supress them

but try killing a pusarmor reaper with an IIb

[tall torrent]

I think IIb’s problem is that

U don’t have base crit chance for infernus

And u still want ghost on it

Laspistol can get like 30% crit chance by default plus reciprocity

[earnest bone]

sad times

[serene bough]

do you need determined on laspistol

[tall torrent]

No

Which makes it even better

[serene bough]

yeah no point tax

[tall torrent]

I could (?) try Boltpistol

Puncture could work well for pus-hardened

Also lethal prox for frags

[serene bough]

unsure if bistol or bolter w/ puncture is preferred

[tall torrent]

I wish plasma was better in this mode tho lol

[serene bough]

bistol gets lethal prox but bolter has larger mags

[tall torrent]

I think Boltpistol

Because anyone not running a las weapon is going to need huge ammo

Plasma needs huge ammo

Flamer needs huge ammo

Gunlugger is dead

Gun psyker is dead

[serene bough]

i wonder if the heavy variant of the helbore would work well in this mode

[tall torrent]

Helbore works

But you need CC & cover

Because u don’t have ghost and ur draw time is long

[serene bough]

hmmm

decisions decisions

[analog mural]

arent DOTs unaffected by pus-hardened? so infernus weps still decent

[tall torrent]

Yes

But you need high DOT stacks for reasonable damage

Fastest accumulation of infernus is still recon

[serene bough]

but, laspistol does get ghost

so its at least still a good choice

[tall torrent]

Laspistol’s prob the best veteran gun for havoc

I’m considering inf las and recon for lights out

Cuz flashlight

And recon does have the benefit of stacking infernus much faster

[serene bough]

for the las family its probably pistol > recon > helbore > inf las

er

other way

[analog mural]

I miss when las mk12 was great

[tall torrent]

I think inf las is hard countered by pus-hardened which is a problem

[earnest bone]

there was a guy from havoc 40 with laspistol X and deadshot usage for ammo economy

[tall torrent]

Yea, he’s good

[earnest bone]

just how that absorb even work

is it fixed

-300 damage

or something

[analog mural]

its 50% I think

[tall torrent]

Pus-hardened is reduce ranged damage by 10% + 1%/havoc rank

[earnest bone]

now i remember that one

[tall torrent]

If you’re at let’s say h25, hardened enemies get 35% ranged damage reduction

[earnest bone]

cant have fun with fartshart around

[tall torrent]

At h40 it’s -50% ranged damage

It’s a separate multiplier

Unaffected by anything

Smoke is pretty huge for pus-hardened

Baiting shotgunners & shooters into melee

Smoke is like 4~5 times as much uptime as a bubble shield vs ranged enemies

With better cast range

[cold berry]

never thought I'd see the day
smoke viable????

[tall torrent]

It’s more than viable

Smoke has 2 problems tho
The guy running smokes has no frags for elite waves, and can’t run survivalist

[pseudo fiber]

me with beacon of purity but ehre we are lolol

[tall torrent]

So if you’re going smokes you probably need 2 veterans in the team

One smoke
One frag + survivalist

[pseudo fiber]

So what I'm hearing from this is build a laspistol

[tall torrent]

Build 3

Ghost + dum dum for regular play

Ghost + infernus for pus-hardened

Then make a desperado + infernus laspistol for smoke strats

For maximum crit uptime = burn

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

(I spent 500k dockets for this)

[pseudo fiber]

insane things are happening in veteran chat

[cyan verge]

he spent 500k dockets for this

[serene bough]

havoc is basically how well you can deal with gunners

melee enemies are tankier& have higher hitmass, but get out of position infront of some gunners you just die

[grand perch]

laspistol is confirmed to be fucking in havoc

it fucks is what im saying

[tall torrent]

Havoc is basically how well you can deal with high density elite waves while receiving death threats from ranged enemies

[cold berry]

[pseudo fiber]

and then there's goo everywhere

[cold berry]

das alotta gooo

[grand perch]

theres goo in the sack - some dwarf miner

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly using psword in havoc is effective it is just... exhausting

[serene bough]

still sticking with knife

shredders are all im keeping for horde clear, relying on someone else to help w/ hordes

i cant play without high mobility lol

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly I'll probably do laspistol, psword, smokes, voc

[grand perch]

its ironic suppression might actually become a worthwhile mechanic in havoc with all those gunner threats

[tall torrent]

lol no

[grand perch]

and then theres a modifier where they can just be randomly immune to it

[tall torrent]

Cranial corrupted enemies are suppression immune

Suppression mechanic in shambles

[grand perch]

exactly my point

[serene bough]

cranial corruption seems more like a buff to us than the AI

pop a head for explosive that staggers enemies

[tall torrent]

I still run axe

[pseudo fiber]

rashad in the year of our lord

[pseudo fiber]

How well did it work out?

[tall torrent]

It’s working so far

[cyan verge]

ugh I see C-I-VI on the board but no one queuing for it in my timezone

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1314493285770727485/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.12.06_-_02.20.12.53.png?ex=6754a185&is=67535005&hm=53d61df4fe2992179a1d9cefef821132c98e7dd2fcffa3e4e4518cc71c4c195b&

[pseudo fiber]

nice

[dark sorrel]

does anyone in the year of our lord use the lawbringer combat shotgun

[pseudo fiber]

given it no longer exists no

[dark sorrel]

darn

i mean

[pseudo fiber]

however the zarona you'll find some folks

[dark sorrel]

uh

yeah I'm just like

I've never used it or seen it

idk how to build for it lol

[true jackal]

it has middle child issues and combat shotguns are just kinda eh

[dark sorrel]

I love my slug shotty

But I want to try others

[true jackal]

you'll want no respite on it

that's the main important one un;ess it's been changed or nerfed

[warm flower]

hey there bois, need a little build advice. Im currently running this, Psword and Boltpistol. Shit absolutely SMASHES everything in close range but I lack some range and with high havoc levels there is less ammo, so I'd like to try heavy laspistol.

Recommendations what to change for some heavy laspistol gameplay? Cheers ❤️

I know im gonna need survivalist

[serene bough]

at a glace get shredders + surv

kraks not that great

[tame lodge]

If only the weapons with high suppression were good at havoc

[terse idol]

Bistol should give you long range

If built

[hollow ibex]

krak is fine for this build imo

primarily for pathing reasons

[warm flower]

yep, couldnt afford shredders

maximized dmg a lot as u can see

i can easily 3 hit crushers without much aim

but still, need some more ranged ways of dealing with stuff

[elder fiber]

does krak kill pus touched gunners/reapers

[grand perch]

time for shredder pistol, secretly op

i should put a high havoc guide on gameslantern, detailing how shredder pistol is op for that mode and buy some upvotes until people start using it

[tropic notch]

You wanna join?

[tame lodge]

Foul

[tropic notch]

@faint beacon you should join as well

[orchid hemlock]

lvl 40 havoc?

[tropic notch]

I’m at uh 24 or something

[orchid hemlock]

then nah ill just weait till the reset

kinda sucks how havoc works

it doesn't incentives people to help each other

[grand perch]

yeah its a thoroughly weird system

[midnight totem]

quick question for anybody who might now

know*

[tall torrent]

Yes
I think
Brain rupture doesn’t tho

Brain rupture for some reason is coded as ranged damage

[elder fiber]

yeah that one is really funny

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon was doing it last night with disappointing results

[midnight totem]

helbores, hotshot, does it work on the bayonet as well?

[tall torrent]

Hotshot applies to all weakspot hits

[midnight totem]

Interesting, good to know

[elder fiber]

idk that kinetic flayer needs buffed again but it's pretty sad for bb to be in that state for havoc lol

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent what would u take for hellbore on Havoc 40?

[tall torrent]

Surgical + armourbane/hotshot

You want max crits (but no deadshot)

[orchid hemlock]

Oh I thought u would take falter

[faint beacon]

Mfw the Pus Afflicted reaper tanks

fucking 6

BB's in a row

[tall torrent]

True death guard terminator

[faint beacon]

6

[midnight totem]

been tuning a helbore for havoc

[faint beacon]

"Ah no worries didn't need that anyways"

he says

having his brain turned into mush more

[true jackal]

his brain is too smooth, psyker can't grab it

[analog mural]

There is no brain to burst, just pus

[terse idol]

The ogryns peanut brain when-

[tall torrent]

Pus-hardened reaper has as much as 12000 effective health vs ranged attacks btw

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t take falter unless I know specifically which stagger breakpoints it changes

[faint beacon]

actual fucking mini boss

[orchid hemlock]

Which mark?

[tall torrent]

I’d prefer 5?

I’m not sure tbh

I haven’t played with Helbore in a really long time

I’m planning to update my guides on weapons as I play with them more

Been updating the weapon blessing sections

Also haven’t been playing havoc too much

I only got up to 27
Was grinding other penances for Moebian 6th loyalist helmet

[crimson sparrow]

Whats the dump stat for the bolt pistol?

[tall torrent]

Collateral

[crimson sparrow]

thankyou

[gilded geyser]

Working on a quick hellgun piece. Look like a veteran to you fellow vets?

[oblique totem]

Let's go down the list:
Screaming? VoC.
Armor? Kasrkin cosmetics.
Hotshot lasgun? Helbore for power or recon for continuous shooting.
I'd say it's pretty good

[gilded geyser]

sweet hah, I was worried it looked a bit too much like a flamethrower and/or a suped up psyker

[oblique totem]

The power cable gives it away as a hellgun more than the outline. Remember that most GW artists aren't very good at drawing guns either

[final locust]

shame that gun isnt in the game lmao

[gilded geyser]

yea, sadly they don't explain very well how it is actually hooked up. I really wanted to do something a bit more rounded because how folded it is looks strange

[final locust]

😢

[wooden oar]

What's a good stealth with laspistol build

[gilded geyser]

afaik any las pistol is good

[wooden oar]

is laspistol considered better then the infantry lasgun?

[hollow ibex]

oh yes

ilas is not in a very good spot atm

[gilded geyser]

yea I struggle to think why you want to use inf. Lasgun over Recon or even pistol

[gilded wraith]

Still favor the mk2?

[tall torrent]

That’s my preference yea

My opinion on mk10 could change, I need to play with it a bit more first

[pseudo fiber]

Looks cool as hell btw

[hollow ibex]

just not a fan of the mk10 either

feels very underwhelming compared to mk2

[gilded wraith]

I think the slower rof played into Scabs Deadshot build. Not sure I'm willing to get that extreme with stamina management until higher havoc levels though.

I also have a nasty habit of leaving myself in alt fire.

[atomic zephyr]

the mk2 laspistol is a glock, the mk10 is a deagle

best way to think about to

[elder fiber]

I like mkx but it isn't a deagle

[atomic zephyr]

point is, is much slower firing and harder hitting

[tall torrent]

Not that much harder hitting

It’s like mk7 inf las damage numbers with slower firerate

[atomic zephyr]

yeah it suffers for the same reason the MG12 suffers

wait they changed the name

…the yellow ilas

[tall torrent]

Nah it suffers worse than IX inf las to an extent

[elder fiber]

it has really wonky breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Because it kills specialists much worse than inf lasguns

[elder fiber]

I like it for idk, not having to clicky quickly or hold lmb with autofire mod the entire time

[tall torrent]

It’s 2~3 headshots to kill with +maniac

[atomic zephyr]

man I used to use the shit out of the mk10 pistol so I either pranked myself or a number got changed

[elder fiber]

and still good accuracy without aiming down sights

[tall torrent]

Inf las is 2 (outside of IIb)

[elder fiber]

it hasn't been adjusted

[cyan verge]

how are people listing havoc parties as like 'havoc 11' but then the guy hosting is havoc 16?

[elder fiber]

and tbc it's "fine"

[atomic zephyr]

i only dropped it when the bolt pistol came out

[crimson sparrow]

which accatran las is the best for the inf las build?

[cyan verge]

it's the RECON LASGUN

not the accatran

[crimson sparrow]

o

[atomic zephyr]

…are they not Kantrael anymore

oh

you meant recon

[cyan verge]

damn name changes

[atomic zephyr]

the blue one is best imo but it’s really up to you

[crimson sparrow]

yeah recon

[cyan verge]

as far as I know the 'best' one is the XIV still

[feral jetty]

hey vets!

hope yall are doin good

[atomic zephyr]

chillin

waiting for fatshark to release our new weapon but I figure it’s not that big a problem since we have the most lol

[crisp oak]

Give puckaxes

[feral jetty]

I wanna try getting back into vet

[crisp oak]

To allow us to re-enter the mines

[feral jetty]

is there a resource anywhere for neato cheeto builds?

talent wise anyway

[crisp oak]

Good to see havok buffed snipers tanking 3 bolt pistol headshots

[tall torrent]

Default veteran build for non-breakpoint guns
This is not made for havoc

[umbral scaffold]

I am going Plasma gun+PS should i take any melee perks?

Or take more grenades

[feral jetty]

breakpoint guns?

sorry I dumb

[tall torrent]

What difficulty are you playing

[tall torrent]

Guns that need specific talents to be able to kill as many things in as few hits as possible

[feral jetty]

gotcha, what are those guns?

or is that too much to list lol

[tall torrent]

Bolt pistol, Boltgun, plasma gun

[feral jetty]

gotcha

[crisp oak]

Revolver

[feral jetty]

i've been using mk6 power sword and plasma lately

wanna try the lasgun again

[crisp oak]

Ive been enjoying the knife bolt pistol

Used it in a couple lower havoks

[tall torrent]

Revolver breakpoints are met with that build

[crisp oak]

Thought bolter pistol was too tbh

[tall torrent]

Nah

Boltpistol is a very hard gun to optimize for breakpoints

[feral jetty]

what's the dump stat on the recon lasgun?

[tall torrent]

Collateral

[feral jetty]

ty

[crisp oak]

What Im still not sure on is perks for the bolt pistol

Is it flakamaniac

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + maniac

[crisp oak]

Bet

[tall torrent]

Run superiority complex as well

[crisp oak]

Getting the dps boost from weapon specialist so shouldnt need it I think

[tall torrent]

Too bad u need it for breakpoints

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[crisp oak]

and no points

[crisp oak]

Which breakpoints does it miss btw?

[tall torrent]

1 tap both Gunners

[crisp oak]

Ah, gonna have to lose iron will :[

[cyan verge]

no no no

you don't wanna lose iron will

[crisp oak]

I know

[feral jetty]

quick question, what do I do with the last two points?

just wherever or?

[tall torrent]

Weapon dependent

[feral jetty]

[tall torrent]

And preference based

[feral jetty]

gotcha

[tall torrent]

If like, you’re playing infantry lasgun
Determined + rending strikes

If you’re playing Vraks V infantry autogun
Demo team + 5% crit chance

[simple sparrow]

Yo what's up

[tall torrent]

If you’re playing revolver
Always prepared + demo team/determined (preference)

It just depends

[cyan verge]

btw are any of the vigilants any good, no one ever seems to talk about em...

[umbral scaffold]

Heresy

[cyan verge]

lol

[umbral scaffold]

But i wanna push into Auric and Havoc stuff as soon as possible

[tall torrent]

Experiment and play what u enjoy

[umbral scaffold]

I already got a maxed out Plasma gun

I love it

I can already tell that i really like VoC not just because they're meta. I just really like helping my team out

[tall torrent]

Havoc is basically lasgun 24/7

[umbral scaffold]

I tried out uhm, thing

Dueling sword and it's allright but i prefer more wild swinging for now

[tall torrent]

Auric u can rly play whatever u want tbh it’s not that hard

It’s more basics you need to learn

[umbral scaffold]

I can aim well, i am having fun. I am just a bit unsure on the melee side

[hollow ibex]

lack of maniac damage really lets them down imo

[tall torrent]

Learn melee

[umbral scaffold]

I don't really use melee on big things. I use it to clear hordes and on big things if my Plasma is empty or i don't have time to vent it

[hollow ibex]

(or just play psyker )

but no you should learn how to melee

including big things

it's a fundamental skill that will pay off massively

[tall torrent]

You’re playing a melee-orientated game

That has guns

[umbral scaffold]

I did learn to do the whole,charge, dodge, release but i don't enjoy it that much. I just wanna swing

SWING

Cut off their heads with one big swing

[hollow ibex]

there are plenty of weapons like that

where you just swing

[tall torrent]

Have you considered our lord and saviour

[umbral scaffold]

And snipe elite heads off from a distance

[hollow ibex]

yes like the rashad

[cyan verge]

learn to melee

you have to learn to melee

[umbral scaffold]

I had people tell me to try it out but what advantages does it have over the PS? I enjoy the PS a lot

[cyan verge]

please don't be like some of these other console babies who are like "ima vet, that means I don't do anything except shoot my recon lasgun at things"

[tall torrent]

Better dodges
Better handling under pressure

[hollow ibex]

PS is just janky with the charging situation

[umbral scaffold]

I am on console. Half the melee is done by the auto aim is the other half if shit cause the dodge button is the jump button

So you try to dodge and you jump

[cyan verge]

that's why on glorious master race PC I simply mapped jump to V and dodge to spacebar

[umbral scaffold]

That's the main weakness i find yeah. Like "Uhm hold up, lemme charge up my sword"

[tall torrent]

Is there no option to separate jump & dodge with controller

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean it's mostly fine, just annoying as hell

[hollow ibex]

definitely rebind this if you can

[umbral scaffold]

It would require messing up the entire control scheme sadly

[hollow ibex]

into separate keys

[crisp oak]

I dislike the power sword

[umbral scaffold]

Cause every button is tied to something on console

[hollow ibex]

oof

[tall torrent]

That’s up to u then

[umbral scaffold]

But like slicing the heads of groups is easy as hell

And fun

[tall torrent]

U could mess with dodge settings tho

[umbral scaffold]

I don't struggle with the melee at all

But also it's not hard diffs

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ?si=yBZUhnn9DafGAZt8

[sleek garden]

are there no staff psykers anymore

where are they

[elder fiber]

havoc

[sleek garden]

nope

i have 3 gun psykos on my team

[umbral scaffold]

I really enjoy the whole VoC chain focus combo with the plasma gun. While my team is busy, i mark a target for them, and i either delete it with Plasma or we delete it together

[elder fiber]

guess you're getting the "good" havoc teams then

people who can't get in other groups

[umbral scaffold]

I'll try the dueling sword more. I mean i can use it. But it's not as fun as the chainsword or PS in my opinion

[gilded geyser]

quick update lol

have fun lads

[umbral scaffold]

What blessings do you run on the DS? Extra crit damage?

And crit chanche?

[tall torrent]

Riposte + whatever u like

[umbral scaffold]

I meant on the perks sorry

I am using repost and pregog and they're just 👌🏻

[tall torrent]

Kind of preference as well

I would go carapace + flak/maniac

[umbral scaffold]

I think i wanna go for more crit?

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword is just so blatantly overpowered u can do with a lot of perks

[umbral scaffold]

I mean yeah man

It really makes all other weapons useless

Not all of them

But it's just so good

On console you have some slow down aim assist, so it's so easy to use, it's kinda boring 😂

[wooden moat]

which mark would you lot recommend for recon lasgun

[umbral scaffold]

Can't wait to try the twins on Max diff when i am 30. Suffering is our prayer

[tall torrent]

Twins are actually not that hard

[cyan verge]

I managed to do damnation with just a completely thrown together random team so it's probably not that bad even on hard

[round jetty]

you can block and push while charging the power sword

[hollow ibex]

well yeah

and you can block cancel

it's still annoying

meanwhile rashad is just a slightly slower PS that's always on

[pseudo fiber]

rad as hell

but wouldn't the muzzle flash be red?

[obtuse elm]

Man I love the Graia vigilant

[candid agate]

you guys think ranged enemies deal too much toughness damage in havoc? it just feels really annoying and tedious to fight them

[round jetty]

1 burst and you die lol

[candid agate]

thats what im saying

and the bursts are like 10 shots that come in the speed of a gunner

it just feels lazy

[round jetty]

and 4x the damage of a reaper

[candid agate]

nah the reapers are crazy in havoc

[round jetty]

idk i play psyker so i just walk right through it]

i havent played veteran in a bit

[candid agate]

the blessed reapers on higher havoc levels take 12,000 ranged damage

[round jetty]

yeah THAT however ripped right through my shield

[hallow drift]

FGS moved into Surge's house and now all of Surge's friends think FGS is really cool

[candid agate]

no thats the damage we have to deal to them

[round jetty]

no thats the pus hardened skin

theres blessed enemies

higher

[candid agate]

yeah i said that

[round jetty]

we were talking about opposites

gra

[candid agate]

oh

well either way yeah they deal so much damage as well

[round jetty]

yeah they do be taking a lot of damage

[candid agate]

i saw a video and one completely shredded a zealot in close range under a second in a true duo 40 havoc

how is that ok

[blissful meadow]

best build?

[umbral scaffold]

Even with the bell?

Btw. I found out how to fix the jumping

It's super easy

I just need go be careful and not have my stick facing forward and then it's gg

Charge, dodge, hit the head

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[grizzled pebble]

Oh wow I'm the opposite! V to dodge and space to jump.

[rustic kite]

Which Inf. Lasgun, Recon Lasgun and Laspistol have the highest dps?

[queen fox]

the one you can hit headshots with

[umbral scaffold]

Okay fellas. I am lvl 26 and going on my first Damnation mission

Wish me luck

[sleek garden]

thats literally it for lasguns though

which one can you click heads with best

[hollow ibex]

psykers have learned how to press the 1 button and pull out their melee weapon

[sleek garden]

the heavy lasgun has i think bonus damage against unyielding

[serene bough]

Inf las IIb imo

[queen fox]

ever since they got a moonlight greatsword

[hardy frigate]

What are the best blessings for vigilant autoguns?

[cyan verge]

I use V in FFXIV and it makes more sense to me since you VERY rarely have to jump in this game but I gotta be dodging all the time...

[serene bough]

Pistol mk2? Whichever is the fast firing ones

[hollow ibex]

yup mk2

[sleek garden]

depending on what mode ghost may feel necessary

other than that i like opening salvo

and headhunter

[queen fox]

ghost is very good in havoc

where shooters are a much larger threat

[sleek garden]

yeah i just got done with a havoc with my lasgun

never went down

but im not 25 yet so it doesnt mean much

any havoc heads in the chat

i need buddies

[hardy frigate]

Ghost and suppression immunity?

[rustic kite]

Its it the firerate?

[sleek garden]

suppression immunity is nice if you have no exy stance

[sleek garden]

2b is the middle grade

not the highest damage or the speediest fire rate but best stability

its really hard to miss followup shots

not saying the damage is weak

[sleek garden]

far from it

im using it right now

[rustic kite]

Oh I'm talking about dps

[sleek garden]

im actually pretty sure they all have the same dps

probably the brown one if you land headshots on repeat but its really hard

chunky gun

[dusky galleon]

10% weakspot or 10% crit dmg if i have garanteed crits on knife?
Im using 25% flak

[sleek garden]

high recoil and ads sway

people say those are pretty terrible

im not really sure

i use it on my ogryn power maul

[serene bough]

Dps of IIb and Mk7 are similar, but they fit different roles

[sleek garden]

yeah what are you trying to do with it

if you take a lasgun you're taking the anti shooter and specialist role

[tall torrent]

It’s just elite management

And not getting gassed by Rodin’s mines

[sleek garden]

dont expect to mow down hordes or destroy carapce

[gilded geyser]

I did want to do red initially but it looked a bit too much like the official art and I was basing it off the hellgun shots in dawn of war 2 😄

[pseudo fiber]

fair enough then! still looks cool

[rustic kite]

Making a Cadian Infiltrator build and i wanted it for boss n elite damage

[sleek garden]

thats some good paint

[sleek garden]

wrong gun

actually infiltrator

maybe take the blue one

it has really fast ads speed

put infernus on it so it hurts big guys a bit more

[rustic kite]

Not worried too much about ads

[sleek garden]

i dont personally use infernus though

[sleek garden]

use an autogun or recon lasgun

the inflas has reverse damage falloff

you are doing less damage the closer you are

[rustic kite]

That explains alot

[sleek garden]

yeah its basically a semi auto sniper

[rustic kite]

Id assume recon out dps laspistol than

[sleek garden]

probably

its a rifle

laspistol is way more accurate

and you can just tap on heads up close

[hearty panther]

if you have impeccable accuracy

laspee > recon

[sleek garden]

i just noticed i have sprint efficiency on my lasgun

[hearty panther]

by a pretty large margin

[sleek garden]

it needs it

i have a party thing open for havoc and people ask to join and i send them invites and they dont show up

[rustic kite]

Which laspistol to use

[serene bough]

The fast one

I forget the mark

[hearty panther]

II

[umbral scaffold]

I think i may switch from DS to axe cause my mates really struggle with hordes

I have my grenades

But there's still too many

[rustic kite]

What does finese effect? Dagger dumpstat for being a speedy boi?

[tall torrent]

Weakspot bonus damage
Crit bonus damage
Attack speed (only from the “finesse” stat on weapon)

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[rustic kite]

So id reckon id want that high lol

[umbral scaffold]

So if you go DS with crit boost on dodges and then hit a head

Magic things happen

I meant finess boost on dodges+crit boost on dodges

[hollow ibex]

yeah finesses is never the dump

[rustic kite]

So id want high mob, high finese

What to dump?

[hollow ibex]

mobility

[pulsar crescent]

Pretty much I like this setup and have fun with it, the only thing I would want to see is talent tree and curios for that

[hollow ibex]

it's almost always mobility

[rustic kite]

But wont that mean i wont be as fast?

[hollow ibex]

barely matters

you just don't want to lose dodges, which you won't at 60%

[tall torrent]

That depends on the role you’re trying to fill

[pulsar crescent]

I'm trying to get rid of gunners, because I always see people who use mainly anti-horde builds or anti-armor and forget about gunners

[tall torrent]

Smoke grenade then?

Curios I run 2 health 1 toughness

[pulsar crescent]

I've seen some strange shit with smoke when they don't care about smoke

I would like to use frag

[tall torrent]

That’s due to not understanding how smoke works properly

[umbral scaffold]

I should always take reciprocity and desperado right?

[pulsar crescent]

Got it

[tall torrent]

depends
they're generally good talants

[tiny valve]

Guys I need opinions on the infantry autogun, should I take the mk1 or the mk8? I just want advice not a straight answer. For context I prefer precise fire.

[umbral scaffold]

Where can i show my build outside of game screenshots?

[hollow ibex]

you'll have to screenshot, or use: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[fiery raft]

what does it depend on?

[tall torrent]

can u afford them in your build

[fiery raft]

i see

[umbral scaffold]

Right, so this is what i am using right now, Plasma and PS

[civic knot]

drip?

[primal zealot]

Why is the jacket over the armor

[high vale]

Style i guess

[gilded meteor]

show belt

[high vale]

Drip or Drown? Excuse the bad image i was too lazy to remember that i can just screenshot it

[gilded meteor]

image ruined.

[civic knot]

?

[gilded meteor]

the puff never ties with the belt

same reason i dont use that top either

its trenchcoat or nothing for veterans

either that or proper fit

the only interchangable top is trencoat stuffs

[proper jasper]

yo anyone got a good stealth build for the vet?

[cyan verge]

no

[proper jasper]

dang

[civic knot]

only 1 build works well and synergizes wonderfully:

@proper jasper

Its no shout build, but its funny

and not objectively awful (for your own survival)

[proper jasper]

what melee?

or dont matter

[civic knot]

dont really matter

but dude

promise me you wont bring infiltrate into auric maelstrom/havoc

you will pull your team down like a brick

[proper jasper]

so dont use this in havoc and maelstrom?

[civic knot]

yes

you will be disappointed

[gilded meteor]

i wish the shout voicelines could be used without shout

[civic knot]

so will your teammates

[civic knot]

lol

"There is ONLY WARRRR!!!"

[gilded meteor]

“THERE IS ONLY WARRR!”

[civic knot]

YO

great minds think alike???

[gilded meteor]

VA is fucking based

[civic knot]

wtf

dude

did you type that at the same time as me? xDDD

[gilded meteor]

yeah

[civic knot]

poggers!

[gilded meteor]

oggers*

[pulsar crescent]

Played with this talent tree and liking it too, thx. Tho I replaced additional nade(20% chance) for the ammo

[gilded meteor]

there

is

only

WAR!

[candid agate]

CLOSE, KILL, AND DO IT AGAIN

[umbral scaffold]

Is le power cycler good

[gilded meteor]

FOR ATOMA!

FOR ATOMA!

FOR ATOMA!

shit hold on

FOR ATOMA!

FOR CADIA!

[delicate magnet]

mandatory for power sword

[candid agate]

VICTORY OR DEATH

[spice oxide]

what's good vet build for havoc

[pastel yew]

cant comment on havoc but people complaining about stealth in regular auric are clueless imo

[cyan verge]

yes it is by far the best blessing for PS

[pastel yew]

if you cant survive on your own or with one less player who is doing an important job for the team

then you're not really ready for the difficulty you're on

you see people complaining about knife zealots diving the backline all the time and I cant help but think.. "wtf else are they supposed to do? that's good?? that's what you want"

[pastel yew]

legit must pick, its worthless without it

still wild to me that instead of just nerfing power cycler they nerfed the base charges and left it as is

take me back to old power sword having mad swings I never got to try it

[cyan verge]

imo it's so necessary they should just set base charge to 3 and remove power cycler

[pseudo fiber]

it's base charges was 8 lmfaooooo

[pastel yew]

1000%

the weapon is unusable without it

[pseudo fiber]

just port the relic sword gimmick idgaf

[pastel yew]

you can get away with power cycler 3

but you need at least 3

[cyan verge]

three swings is not bad

it's not hard to keep track of

and it's like, most things should be dead, in three swings

[pastel yew]

3 is ideal for the cost ye

no power cycler means no crusher wombo combo

means the weapon is significantly weaker

[pseudo fiber]

This combo is very important in havoc

[fiery raft]

whats the combo?

i quite like the power sword, been using it lately

[rustic kite]

Should I go Krak or Frag for my cadian infiltrator

[pastel yew]

the mk6 power sword's charge animation can be cancelled by shoving and attacking

[lean bloom]

Whats better the power sword or the dueling one

[pastel yew]

the shove attack is a thrust that deals extremely high single target damage to bosses and ogryns

[fiery raft]

oh, the poke?

[pastel yew]

so you empower > cancel shove > shove attack > light 1

yeah

[fiery raft]

i ddint realize it did that much

[pastel yew]

the poke + the follow up light

kill a crusher

with no melee perks

thats why its so good

[fiery raft]

im going bolter with exe stance and just did an auric, it ended up pretty well

so i dont use my ps much

but thats good to know

[pastel yew]

congrats on getting to auric

woop

[fiery raft]

tyty

[pastel yew]

howd you find it

[ancient path]

both barrells may be a meme

but it is fun

put on e1m1

[fiery raft]

i like it

i mean, the harder it is the better

[ancient path]

tape right mouse down

[fiery raft]

ive said earlier i want to start taking the game more seriously and get generally better at it

ofc i dont want to just be a meta slave, i find this build im doing fun and cool

[pastel yew]

you'll go far then

[fiery raft]

i dont find dueling sword cool, so i dont use it

[pseudo fiber]

You really don't have to worry about meta

[cyan verge]

guess what bolter is meta

[pastel yew]

honestly thats my favourite thing about darktide I feel like theres always room to improve

[cyan verge]

you are already metaslave

[pseudo fiber]

unless you're going for high havoc and even then I've seen some slop

[pastel yew]

lmao

bolter is fun

[fiery raft]

i've become the thing i despise

[pastel yew]

nah fuck that

[ancient path]

use the double barrel

[pastel yew]

use meta weapons early

so you can get bored of them while improving

[fiery raft]

i wanna get a good double barrel before i do

this was my run

[pastel yew]

then you can go into harder weapons when you're more comfy with the game

[pastel yew]

already better than most auric players

[cyan verge]

seriously a good idea

[pastel yew]

[ancient path]

like playing valiant auto gun executioner stance

[fiery raft]

thats very nice of you to say, i appreciate it

[pastel yew]

if you knew the state of auric you'd know its not high praise

kidding of course

you got the mentality to become a good player and thats all you need really

[fiery raft]

even if you werent kidding that'd still be high praise lol

[cyan verge]

yes it's cool you want to be running like. chainsword shredder autopistol in aurics. that's great. but. it's very probable that will never work even if you're really good and even if it does you're sacrificing a lot to do it

just as an example

[pastel yew]

I'm yet to try the autopistol

its always like

[ancient path]

autopistol is trash

[cyan verge]

it's honestly nigh unplayable

[pastel yew]

1 weapon too far away in the sequence of what I wanna try

[ancient path]

one gun im like ehhh

[fiery raft]

i'm willing to do meta-ish builds, but ive been avoiding the duel sword mainly

[ancient path]

maybe listen to the meta lol

[pastel yew]

yeah but the fact its so bad is what makes it so intruiging like

[fiery raft]

i just dont like it

its just lame to me

[pastel yew]

what if theres some hidden combo or interaction or...

cope

[cyan verge]

there's many weapons that are like pretty mid, but the shredder imo is just a COMPLETE waste of a slot

[pastel yew]

the dueling sword is honestly one of the most fun melee weapons in the game

[fiery raft]

i saw a dude with duel sword and auto pistol in one game i played

[ancient path]

id rather play a combat shotgun build than auto pistol

[cyan verge]

I think it actively harms your team because if you pick up ammo it's bullets that something more worthwhile could have had

[pastel yew]

it's simple, and broken as fuck

but the movement feels real good

[fiery raft]

and it was just so strange

maybe ill try the duelsword but i dont like the look of it

[ancient path]

and combat shotties are just as bad

[cyan verge]

and the shredder like EATS bullets, it has a 50 round magazine and it costs like that entire magazine to kill one special

[fiery raft]

very simple rapier weapon

[cyan verge]

50 bullets! to kill ONE gunner

[fiery raft]

and im not the biggest fan of those kinds of weps

[cyan verge]

like bro

[pastel yew]

I've seen an auto pistol like twice in auric and both times I've been terrified... either they're gonna be great or... no they're always trash

I respect the grind though

god speed

[pseudo fiber]

Powersword thing we were talking about

[fiery raft]

it was a vet in my game with convict drip and a balding heihachi haircut

and he was playing well

just

autopistol

[pastel yew]

the thing that makes the mk6 infinitely better than the 3

[lean bloom]

its the combat axe good?

[pastel yew]

legendary player

[fiery raft]

i see

[pastel yew]

if you see someone in auric with convict drip

[fiery raft]

absolutely

[pastel yew]

without a doubt

[pseudo fiber]

very

[pastel yew]

they're god tier usually

[cyan verge]

to be fair the few times I have seen autopistols we're not like, winning because of them, we're usually just doing well and they are being carried

[pastel yew]

I love seeing certain character concepts though

I saw a guy called "santas favourite elf" earlier this week

and he looked

like a fucking elf

stripey pants

elf cap

amazing drip

[ancient path]

p good

[fiery raft]

this sounded interesting btw

[pastel yew]

combat axe is prob the best melee in the game if

the ds wasnt about

[ancient path]

its painful

but fun

[pastel yew]

maybe the combat knife

[ancient path]

executioner stance in auric is just trash

but im also pretty bad

[pastel yew]

I'm not really knowledgeable enough on the knives

[ancient path]

if ppl dont make space for you, you cant really do much

executioner bolter is pretty good tho

[pastel yew]

yeah thats right. take back that fucking slander ;-;

[fiery raft]

yeah i can see that

[pastel yew]

say cap right now.

[ancient path]

but thats because you can just full auto ppl off you

[pastel yew]

ES is just unsafe

offensively its the best option

[fiery raft]

es is reliant on teamwork

[pastel yew]

the buffs it gives you are huge

[cyan verge]

exe is like. OK

[fiery raft]

which is kind of unsafe inherently i feel

but man it feels so good

[pastel yew]

the main issue with exe isnt even the ability its the pathing to get to it

[ancient path]

ya but i play with pubs and im not super good at the game so exe, while fun, is just dangerous

[cyan verge]

the highlighting for exe is nice but I just don't feel like I need it and VoC is so safe to run that I like it better

[fiery raft]

two poopoo nodes?

[ancient path]

if i was some god tier vet player, i could prob carry with it but anything that isnt exe bolter in auric is just so dangerous

[pastel yew]

yee

[fiery raft]

ye

[pastel yew]

you'll get there

honestly darktide skill is just time investment and paying attention

[ancient path]

also syndonai edits need to fuckin hurry up and update so i can use the goddamn quake 3 shotty

[pastel yew]

learning build mechanics etc

[fiery raft]

i might try exe stance with infantry lasgun

[ancient path]

im at 400 hours. i think this is it, chef.

[fiery raft]

i just like that gun

[pastel yew]

my condolences, but I got faith in you boss

never an end to improvement

put yourself in the dojo

whenever I'm bad at a game I just remove all the crutches I can and reduce the difficulty until I can get good at what I need to

I guess it depends if you have a drive to improve though, no obligation to

just have fun

[umbral scaffold]

Power cycler makes it so that as long as i am swinging and hitting stuff i stay charged up right?

[pastel yew]

depends on the tier

tier 3 is two empowered swings total

tier 4 is three

if you get hit while its charged, the charge ends

though that part is a bug I think?

[crisp oak]

Give brutal momentum to the veteran shovel

[austere mica]

NO

[cyan verge]

my favorite gun to exe with so far is columnus autogun

[pastel yew]

YES

[austere mica]

DON'T

[pastel yew]

yee auto weapons with stance are fun

[fiery raft]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-yeah-breaking-bad-jesse-breaking-bad-jesse-pinkman-walter-white-gif-24546693

[crisp oak]

Feaaaaaar the diggers

[pastel yew]

why notttt

they can have some love

it's just funny

[fiery raft]

i fucking love the shovels

probably one of my top 3 melee in the game

[austere mica]

We don't need another bromentum weapon

[crisp oak]

Just imagine, 60 ragers getting beheaded by a mkq shovel

[pastel yew]

itd be the least offensive of the lot

[austere mica]

Bromentum is an instant lock on every single weapon besides tac axe that has it

[pastel yew]

it'd only work on the flip like

[austere mica]

5 but ok

[runic topaz]

the donk of shovels on heads brings me more joy than anything else in this game

[cyan verge]

the shovel is annoying to me since it's not terrible it's not like amazing, but it has a really big damage folded heavy for some reason that destroys everything

[fiery raft]

yeah its aweosme

[crisp oak]

Mk1 doesnt

[pastel yew]

the fold is like, the only part that interests me outside of their aesthetic

[cyan verge]

it looks so strange

[pastel yew]

I think their lights and heavies are p dry

though its been a while since I've used one

[fiery raft]

who knew folding a shovel could have you fold a 10 foot tall ogryn decked in armor

[cyan verge]

it looks like you're just planting the flat of the shovel on the guy's face

and that somehow kills him

[fiery raft]

i think its somehow stabbing them

[austere mica]

Its not the flat

Its the spike

[fiery raft]

^

[pastel yew]

yee it flips down

[tall torrent]

Not happening outside of sedition sorry

[cyan verge]

yeah there's a strange little spur on the back part but it looks SO WEIRD

[austere mica]

Its got a half flip to be used as a pickaxe

[crisp oak]

Shhhh I can dream

[pastel yew]

60 ragers? sedition be hitting different now

[austere mica]

Pickaxe end

[fiery raft]

which blessings should i put on my bolter

[pastel yew]

harder than auric fr

[fiery raft]

ive been working with cavalcade and shattering impact

but they're both t3

[austere mica]

Pickaxes are as much a tool for digging through dirt as shovels are

[pastel yew]

pinning fire for sure

[cyan verge]

with the ogryn right they just do the opposite, they drive the spade tip down into enemies which looks kinda, more sweet

[tall torrent]

See pinned guide

[austere mica]

especially when making trenches

[crisp oak]

Tbh I want pickaxes for the veteran

[cyan verge]

yeah you gotta break up the ground a bit before you can freely shovel

[crisp oak]

Or a 2 handed shovel

Like a full size one

[cyan verge]

a 2-hand weapon for vet would be nice but I doubt we're gettin it

[crisp oak]

Shovel might be the only way

[tall torrent]

2-handed shovel seems plausible

[cyan verge]

I still want a 2-hand sword for ogryn

[tall torrent]

But idk if they’ll even consider doing another shovel lol

[crisp oak]

I would play the shit put of it

[fiery raft]

are these my options?

[tall torrent]

Not happening

[pastel yew]

people would riot if we got another shovel

[tall torrent]

Yes

[pastel yew]

they were already sad when ogryns got them

and the ogryn shovels are dope

[fiery raft]

i see

[crisp oak]

But this is fatshark

[fiery raft]

well, what do you think?

[cyan verge]

okay fucking fine then

[crisp oak]

They might

[cyan verge]

ogryn frying pan please

[fiery raft]

with exe stance marksman esque bolter playstyle

[fiery raft]

ogryn fist

[crisp oak]

Ogryn pot

[pastel yew]

shattering impact unironically very fun

[tall torrent]

Pinning fire + puncture

[pastel yew]

normally I dislike shooting crushers... feels like a sin

[cyan verge]

it is bizarre that there's no like ogryn brass knuckles or something

ogryn caestus

[fiery raft]

ye

[austere mica]

I feel like vet might not get a 2 hander

[fiery raft]

alright, ill try this out

ive been using shatter impact and i do like it

[pastel yew]

praying for fist update... ogryn knuckles.. vet power fist

[fiery raft]

but ill switch it up

[pastel yew]

I mean got the heavy sword

I'm not sure what the dimensions of that are meant to be but its like

kriegsmesser-like

[austere mica]

Thats a one hand blade with 2 hand heavies

[pastel yew]

fr?

I thought it was always 2h grip

why would you ever swing it one handed

[fiery raft]

because veterans are big strong

burly men and women

[pastel yew]

ah dude looking at images it is smaller than I remember

though ngl I use the weapon customization mod to make it look like a longsword anyway

as there was no way to deus vult before the relic blade this was it

[austere mica]

You shouldn't

Implies the use of a light attack

[pastel yew]

true the light attacks are garbage

do they have literally any function

[fiery raft]

i think ive actually never used the heavy sword

[pastel yew]

their damage is so tiny

[fiery raft]

how is it?

[pastel yew]

the heavy sword is so fun

[cyan verge]

the heavy sword is very mediocre imo

[pastel yew]

I havent tried on vet yet but I'd imagine its good

[austere mica]

Chaining

Thats it

[cyan verge]

it's not like worst, it just feels like kinda underwhelming to use

[tall torrent]

Pretty good

[austere mica]

Me when I decapitate 4 ragers

in one swing

[pastel yew]

heavy sword is one of my favourite weapons, it's not that complicated or anything it just feels killer

and your finger will be feeling how killer it is.. after a game or two

[fiery raft]

what're it's strong suits?

actually ill see the vet guide

[austere mica]

Deathblow

[cyan verge]

nothing really

[pastel yew]

elite killing

[fiery raft]

i see

[pastel yew]

it's not the best at anything

but its good at everything

except...

[austere mica]

Deathblow makes it a very powerful elite killer

[pastel yew]

armor..

against carapace its awful

[cyan verge]

yeah it cannot do carapace

which is my problem with it

[austere mica]

You can very easily decapitate 4 shotgunners

[pastel yew]

nah cope just spam the special attack...

[fiery raft]

mk9 is cool looking

are all 3 marks good?

[pastel yew]

30s ogryn clears are totally okay I swear!

[austere mica]

also gives it good horde and mixed horde

[fiery raft]

or is it just one mark

[cyan verge]

if you just have like a bolter or a plasma or maybe even revolver you might be okay to use heavy sword against everything else

and then gun down maulers/crushers

but uh yeah

[pastel yew]

I forget which marks the best, whichever has the default overhead on h1

[cyan verge]

heavy sword not kill them

[pastel yew]

but I think the others are fine they're just more complicated movesets

[austere mica]

It can with crits

Its crit adm is half decent

[pastel yew]

you need to swing first to get your proper elite clear so its a little clumsy, but some people prefer it for the better horde clear

[tall torrent]

All 3 are good, Mk IX is the best one

[austere mica]

mk7 is most fun imo

[pastel yew]

what for

[austere mica]

Very fluid

Its moveset feels better

[pastel yew]

its initial heavy isnt an overhead though right?

[austere mica]

no cancels

Yeah its an uppercut

[pastel yew]

which makes it feel kinda rough for elite which are most of what I care about hitting

[austere mica]

same damage as its overhead though

[pastel yew]

oh real?

I'll have to try it then

especially now you can just swap marks

good change

[crisp oak]

Btw is the toughness grace period removed even in the lower havoks?