veteran-class

[quiet valley]

Only toss kraks at armor stacking or bosses

[terse idol]

But that's besides the point

Yes I know the gaaamme

[quiet valley]

Tossing it on a single crusher is a waste

[neat stratus]

preferably a gun

[terse idol]

Uh

[serene bough]

Avg Psyker

[pastel yew]

kraks are fun because they send bits flying

[terse idol]

I could maybe mess with a bistol
I'd have to choose a ranged weapon that can be okie vs hordes

At least that's my theory craft

[pastel yew]

I dont use it

but if I did

I'd take weapon spec

zarona, bolt pistol, double barrel

sound like they mix the best with it

[terse idol]

I use the dueling sword but also I take single target destroying ranged weapons

[neat stratus]

Bolt pistol dueling sword is just commissar cosplay

[terse idol]

Which fucks up my horde clear

[terse idol]

Yes

[pastel yew]

dont degrade the commisar name like that...

only real commisars use chainswords

[terse idol]

Building for theme > building for viability

[tall torrent]

Shame it’s so meh

[terse idol]

They can use either smh

[pastel yew]

yeah

[terse idol]

Lore fail

[austere mica]

Or power swords

[terse idol]

[austere mica]

Or a weapon of their choice

[quiet valley]

Chainswords garbage without WS

[pastel yew]

when I picture THE john commisar

I see a bolt pistol, I see a chainsword

[quiet valley]

Literally drawing an X

[austere mica]

I see Raine

[terse idol]

I can see John commisar with a dueling sword, it's regal

[tropic notch]

Even with it it’s still really mid

[austere mica]

(She has a power sword Sabre)

[pastel yew]

googling commisar art

at least 60% of them are chainsword

[terse idol]

Chain sword for guardsmen sgts

[pastel yew]

its iconic

[shadow dagger]

auric mael quickplayers and not knowing how to dodge muties

name a more iconic duo

[terse idol]

I'll agree to disagree both are cool

[tall torrent]

Chainsword could be good if it dealt 2x as much chainrev damage, had better single target damage outside of rev atks and had better stagger to fight more than 1 rager at a time

[pastel yew]

honestly I've been missing some really basic shit recently after taking a huge break

not mutant dodges but

[quiet valley]

Agree

[pastel yew]

just really simple shots

I need to use a sens converter or something

[vital wren]

My little brother dodged his first mutie last night!

[terse idol]

God damn

[quiet valley]

It just needs a good attack pattern

If it could actually get good rampage uptime…

[pastel yew]

needs to do literally anything but horde clear well

[serene bough]

I played with my little brother the other night all he wants to do is spray the flamer

[pastel yew]

like its horde clear is very respectable

[serene bough]

Even into crushers

[pastel yew]

its just

the shredder is awful

shredder in general is not great

and the 1h chainsword is the worst of the lot

[quiet valley]

I mean the single target is pretty good

[pastel yew]

I'm suffering from that comparison to other weapons sickness though

[quiet valley]

Just bloodletter animation cancel, light or push attack spam

[pastel yew]

whenever I use the 1h sword I'm wishing I was playing zealot with an eviscerator

especially now I've tried the chain axe

I see no reason to ever run the 1h sword

[quiet valley]

Chaxe slaps

[pastel yew]

even the chain axe is needin thrust to one shot maulers ;-;

[quiet valley]

It’s way better than sword

[pastel yew]

it slaps in very specific circumstances

and is massively outclassed by other weapons

[quiet valley]

What

[pastel yew]

but its definitely good

[quiet valley]

Chaxe thrust is trash

[pastel yew]

no weapon specialist = awful

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe is much better than chainsword

[pastel yew]

thrust is good? I like it

[tall torrent]

Outside of horde clear

[quiet valley]

Go WS with headtaker slaughter

[pastel yew]

the only reason I'd drop it is for headtaker + the other one

slaghterer

[quiet valley]

It’s fucking stupid how much dmg it does

Like killing maulers with lights

[pastel yew]

even then if I'm not speccing into heavies why am I using this weapon

if I heavy chainsawed a crusher

and didnt one shot it

I'd be depressed

so no thrust is a fuckin mental hazard

[tall torrent]

Headtaker + slaughterer can 1 tap crusher

[pastel yew]

that seems particularly finicky

[quiet valley]

What

[tall torrent]

Not rly

[pastel yew]

no raw doggin the crushers either

[quiet valley]

Just kill things lol

How hard is that

[pastel yew]

not that its hard

that the duration is low

[quiet valley]

Erm

[pastel yew]

and there are many times where I can see not having both stacked

sometimes it just be a crusher comin at you

[quiet valley]

Probably UI Bug or you need more time on the weapon

Buffs won’t show if buff bar is full

[pastel yew]

its literally like what.. 5s? for head taker

[tall torrent]

3.5s

Is a lot of time

[pastel yew]

3.5s is not a long time

[tall torrent]

To get a single melee hit in

[pastel yew]

to keep it active yeah

but between slight engagements

[quiet valley]

Just spam lights what

It’s not that hard to grasp

[pastel yew]

idk man I can see loads of situations where I'm not one shotting crushers

I'd have to check the break points but I'm p sure thrust makes your unstacked breakpoints significantly better

[quiet valley]

That’s a bad take

You should have nearly max stacks if you are actually meleeing

[carmine arrow]

If I leave mid-game, does it count towards a penance?

[quiet valley]

Just hit them

[quiet valley]

Yes

[pastel yew]

unless its changed yes but

dont do that

unless you literally gotta

[carmine arrow]

will it harm the feelings of the a.i on my lobby

[pastel yew]

if its just ai then yeah bounce

[carmine arrow]

bet

[pastel yew]

but it is sad watching people regularly quit out of games to maintain penance stuff

its why the auric penances mean exactly nothing

they really should just remove it from everyone and then fix that issue

anyone that can get it, is already gonna get it easily

[serene bough]

That would recieve positive reception

[quiet valley]

Havoc 40 title also worth nothing by next week

[pastel yew]

people can cry about it idk

[snow cypress]

Hi guys,any good synergy with the new weapon?

[pastel yew]

new vet weapon?

[quiet valley]

What new weapon

[pastel yew]

;-;

[terse idol]

It'll definetly be an achievement by like

[quiet valley]

HAHAH

[tall torrent]

None of the new weapons are on veteran

[terse idol]

Or well

Owned by a few people

[snow cypress]

oh nvm wrong channel

[pastel yew]

OOF

pai

n

[snow cypress]

mb

sorry

[terse idol]

Unless people can carry 1 person in a havoc 40

[quiet valley]

You only need to play 1 match to get the title

Piss easy

[pastel yew]

I mean 3 people can carry I'd imagine

[terse idol]

Oh play?

Not win?

[quiet valley]

I’m mean win ofc lol

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

smite
chorus
flamer
smoke/bubble

lol

[quiet valley]

Any braindead player with smite and bubble can get carried

[terse idol]

[pastel yew]

true

[quiet valley]

Flamer you actually need good ammo eco to do havoc 40

[terse idol]

I want to say you'd be suprised

But you're probably right

[pastel yew]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I cant even quit out of games

that have heavy smite use

ebcause I'll get punished for leaving a havoc game

thats so cringe

[serene bough]

I would like to get havoc achievements then stop doing havoc

[clever hedge]

My god smite is in the meta for havoc? What a time to be alive

My god is in the meta for havoc? What a time to be alive

[terse idol]

God is in meta

[quiet valley]

What

[terse idol]

Fr

His discord must be lagging

[serene bough]

Vape god?

[pastel yew]

at least the havoc meta is like

off meta stuff

[orchid hemlock]

Smite bubble 🤮

[pastel yew]

even if the laspistol is still really good anyway

[carmine arrow]

You cant solo

[quiet valley]

Laspistol X my beloved

[tall torrent]

What’s the avg ammo taken stat like for flamer

[pastel yew]

I dont like the firerate on the 10

probably because I've used so much mk2

I'd probably get used to it though

[quiet valley]

Reposting for flamer ammo

[pastel yew]

I typically prefer slow firing higher damage weapons

[tall torrent]

Ok so pretty much 80-90% of the ammo on the map?

[quiet valley]

Yeah haha

[tall torrent]

For 2 flamers

[quiet valley]

Yep

[pastel yew]

I mean if the others aint using it...

[tall torrent]

That’s around 40~45% map ammo per flamer

[terse idol]

Sweet baby jesus

[quiet valley]

This is also with survivalist

So like 140-150% map pickups

[orchid hemlock]

Path cna u carry me to 40? 😔

[tall torrent]

I’m busy till 17th

[quiet valley]

Rip

[terse idol]

[pseudo fiber]

I could feel plasma falling off around 30ish

[orchid hemlock]

I'm at 32

[pseudo fiber]

still very useful but struggling

[tall torrent]

I was playing with Azrael earlier today

[quiet valley]

I have 40 host, but not at home rn

[pastel yew]

the only way I can see it falling off is if its missing break points

[quiet valley]

Plasma is shit for Havoc imo

[pastel yew]

if its already missing those one tap break points

its probably real mid

its also not really good into clearing general gunners which seems to be important?

[tall torrent]

Plasma is the only vet gun that can 1 tap flamers at havoc40

Do with that info how u will

[pastel yew]

hmm

[quiet valley]

Just shoot twice with Las X lol

For FREE

[pastel yew]

wait the zarona cant 1 tap flamers at 40?...

the bp cant either/

oh yikes

[tall torrent]

Revolver is dead at like h20 lol

[pastel yew]

how much fucking health do they have

[quiet valley]

XD revolver eats ammo and does nothing with it

[pastel yew]

doesnt the bolt pistol literally do more single shot damage than an uncharged plasma gun

or is it that you need the charge shot

[tall torrent]

No, less

Boltpistol is dead even earlier

[pastel yew]

with deadly accurate?

[pseudo fiber]

I was playing with 2 flamer zealots both DS, purge DS bubble psyker, and I was doing PS plasma VoC

[quiet valley]

Nah what

[orchid hemlock]

I'm honestly tired doing Zealot chorus duty on these havocs 😔

[quiet valley]

Bolt pistol is 40 viable

[tall torrent]

With lethal prox?

Or the surgical build

[pastel yew]

god no I aint running that shit

surgical

[quiet valley]

Nah, stinky Puncture build

DOTS Not affected by dmg reduction mod

[pastel yew]

isnt the dot application slow af tho?

[tall torrent]

Lethal + puncture then ig

[pastel yew]

I guess if you're running frags.. beh

[quiet valley]

Probably, it’s fine but I think Las weapons are the way to go

[orchid hemlock]

RECON LASGUN????

[pastel yew]

I mean las weapons are the king of clearing chumps

[serene bough]

Falter meta

I will believe in the falter meta

[pastel yew]

I dont wanna live in a falter meta world

[quiet valley]

Recon las trash for Havoc lol

[pastel yew]

how can that be the case thats wild

it has dots

it has absurd ammo efficiency

its good into chumps

[quiet valley]

Ammo eco

Bad

[orchid hemlock]

Infernus cope

[pastel yew]

I feel like everything I've learned is worthless

ammo eco bad?

it has infinite ammo

[quiet valley]

Just Las Pistols, Helbores

It’s not real infinite ammo

[pastel yew]

not quite as infinite as the helbore... but its still alot

just take survivalist

[quiet valley]

If you have to pick up drops it doesn’t count lol

[pastel yew]

or deadshot

or both

[quiet valley]

It’s in the name haha

[orchid hemlock]

For recon?

[terse idol]

Deadshot with recon eh

[pastel yew]

I can complete regular auric with no pickups using it

[terse idol]

Take yer crit chance perk

[orchid hemlock]

Deadshot recon ass build Jeficus

[pastel yew]

not sure who I could achieve in havoc

[pastel yew]

its meta.. its meta....

[quiet valley]

Deadshot recon I sleep

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cope-cursed-gif-25667684

[pastel yew]

any build with deadshot

is automatically S tier

[tall torrent]

1.5x elite & specialist health in havoc

[terse idol]

Keystoneless recon 😌

Me as I'm going insane

[orchid hemlock]

No

[quiet valley]

Enjoy not being able to push a burster deadshot recon lol

[terse idol]

No stamina moment

I'm sorr

[orchid hemlock]

Stamina curio cope

[pastel yew]

thats why you take 3 stamina curios

[terse idol]

Sweet jesus

[pastel yew]

are you dumb...

[quiet valley]

I ran 9 stam for 40 havoc

[pastel yew]

[orchid hemlock]

I'm gonna puke

[pastel yew]

think of how long you could SPRINT

[orchid hemlock]

This is why deadshot is bad

[pastel yew]

think of all the push attacks

deadshot is not bad

its funny

also with the recon you dont have to activate it

[orchid hemlock]

It makes u a coper 😤

[quiet valley]

Deadshot slaps

[pastel yew]

you can just hipfire

[quiet valley]

Just don’t use it with trash picks lol

[obtuse elm]

Gave myself carapace armor on darktide

[pastel yew]

power armor when

we aint ever getting a new class

its so over

with the way the trees work I cant even imagine getting another "subclass"

[wraith perch]

which are good perks for bolt pistol?

[quiet valley]

Shooting recon with no deadshot = ammo consumed

= bad havoc pick

[pastel yew]

deadly accurate + surgical with deadshot, or puncture and proximity if you want grenade build

[orchid hemlock]

Play psyker

No ammo

[quiet valley]

Surgical Deadly Accurate

Play Vet no ammo

[orchid hemlock]

Play Ogryn

[quiet valley]

Shocktrooper my beloved

[wraith perch]

Which perks though? (Blessings I know)

[pastel yew]

I actually dont remember

think it was maniac and something else

[quiet valley]

Personally I go 5% crit and manic or unyielding

[pastel yew]

I did my testing long ago

not sure unyielding is the way

crit is nice

means you'll have to wait less for consistent guaranteed crit

less chance to fuck up

even if it is only .0000002 of a second or whatever

[quiet valley]

It’s worth to crit stack for Deadly

[terse idol]

Unyielding for bistol no way

[pastel yew]

yeah I agree

[wraith perch]

So makes sense to convert elite dmg to range crit chance right?

[terse idol]

You have to build for the BP's

[pastel yew]

its not a huge increase though

there are some other fun perks

[quiet valley]

Crit chance, not dmg

[tall torrent]

U can cope with a bajillion crit chance bonuses

[pastel yew]

cant you get like sprint efficiency n stuff

those could be fun

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-wake-up-wakey-wakey-awaken-gif-26734899

I hate deadly accurate

Irrationally

Its very good

I hate it

[tall torrent]

Same like how plasma can technically cope with crit chance stuff

[pastel yew]

I hate not being able to one tap things with

my marksman weapon

when other marksman weapons can for 0 reason

[tall torrent]

It’s just not as good if u had the breakpoints on demand

[orchid hemlock]

Copium

[terse idol]

Literally cope for crit whilst taking yunyileding

I'm going crazy

[pastel yew]

I mean your base crit with all the bonusses is pretty big

[pastel yew]

its to the point I literally never miss my crit and I am not waiting for surgical

[quiet valley]

Depends if you are going WS or not for perks imo

[pastel yew]

its the same with the helbores, you dont really have to care about surgical

[quiet valley]

Sorry ES*

[pastel yew]

because deadshot got your back

[quiet valley]

Helbore Deadshot is a trap imo

[pastel yew]

even if its only like a second saved

its a single point that means you aint ever gonna crit miss

I am a mk3 user

even then I think you can miss

[tall torrent]

Helbore wants u to stay in ads for as long as possible for max dps that deadshot drain is actually real

[pastel yew]

wait

[terse idol]

I'm

Losing it

[pastel yew]

nah not with mk3

because charge so slow surgical makes it basically guaranteed

[terse idol]

On surgical 4 you still get like

[pastel yew]

deadshot drain really aint that bad

[terse idol]

An amount of crit chanc

[pastel yew]

one +3 curio and you're chill

[sleek garden]

im getting smite only psykers in havoc

its over

[terse idol]

You wait 1 second longer and you're likely high enough to gurantee the next shot is a crit

[pastel yew]

though new talents might mean my build would be 1 stam lower than usual

[terse idol]

Stop putting deadshot on everything!

I'm gonna rip the walls open to find your storing deadshot in there

[pastel yew]

I'm only putting deadshot on single shot weapons that need deadly accurate to reach non shit break points

and the recon sometimes

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/diaper-spongebob-spongebob-meme-sponge-bob-hmm-meme-gif-1192510334458612291

[pastel yew]

because funny and ammo efficiency

deadshot + deadly accurate + surgical is just so good for the weapons that can take it

[terse idol]

Just

Headhunter

[pastel yew]

because most of them have rough breakpoints

head hunter means you have to miss crits

to get crits

why would I miss crits

when I can just never miss crits?

[terse idol]

You're consuming a valuable resource okayy

[pastel yew]

looking at the bolt pistol at least

[terse idol]

[pastel yew]

is ammo not valuable?

any non crit shot on the bp with that set up is wasted

literally 0 value

[terse idol]

Uh I'm playing grenade bistol and I can't hear you because of the tinitus

[pliant prawn]

ive never heard of something as preposterous as dumping reload speed on a gun, even if it doesn't do much and the other option is mobility (revolver)

[pastel yew]

why would you need reload speed on the revolver

you aint ever reloading that thing

[quiet valley]

Deadshot Surgical is a trap

[pliant prawn]

???

[terse idol]

WS reload

[pastel yew]

weapon specialist

[pliant prawn]

vet is my least played

[quiet valley]

Same way Weight of Fire on Helbore is a trap

[terse idol]

Or well "reloads"

[pastel yew]

it gives you free reload

[terse idol]

It gives you a bullet

[pastel yew]

by being in melee

[orchid hemlock]

WS stamina regen for unlimited deadshot

[terse idol]

You can actually just never reload the revolver

[pastel yew]

it also gives you a guaranteed crit

[tall torrent]

What do u run, surgical + ?

[orchid hemlock]

[pastel yew]

is weight of fire the uhh

[quiet valley]

Surgical, Hotshot

[terse idol]

What no way

[pastel yew]

increased charge time

[pliant prawn]

ok but what if you NEED to reload

[pastel yew]

that seems like a wild take

[terse idol]

I can feel a helbore without weight of fire

[tall torrent]

Based hotshot enjoyer?

[quiet valley]

Or Armorbane for lighter Marks

[pliant prawn]

then you're reloading for ten yeras because u dumped reload

[pastel yew]

the base charge speed is so slow

[terse idol]

Like i can understand no weight of fire for faster marks for helbore

[pastel yew]

oh dude even the fucking

helbores got their names changed

WHYYY

AAAA

[terse idol]

I could defiently feel it without the mid-helbore

[quiet valley]

Weight of fire reduces your amount of surgical stacks because faster charge

[pastel yew]

has hot shot

[terse idol]

Weight of fire + armour bane

[pastel yew]

always been a blessing?

am I high

what is this

[quiet valley]

What

[pastel yew]

I've literally never seen this before

[tall torrent]

Newly added

[pastel yew]

ahhhh

[terse idol]

I'm using the guide anywho with weight of fire and armour bane on the fastest firing helbore

[tall torrent]

This is cursed

[quiet valley]

Any Helbore without surgical is a crime

[pastel yew]

I'm guessing its good then?

[terse idol]

WHA

ITS IN THE GUIDE

[pastel yew]

armour bane... bro I have not been keeping up

[terse idol]

Well

[tall torrent]

I didn’t put that I think

?

[terse idol]

With the fastest firing helbor

[tall torrent]

If I did I’ll change it later

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

I’m changing a lot of things while doing steam guide port

[pastel yew]

naturally I mean

you'll never be 100% accurate

theres too much shit in the game to be

also buffs and balance changes

[terse idol]

I'm dying

In real time

[pastel yew]

literally any adjustment can fuck things up

[dire olive]

Using the actual names:
confusing when every weapon family shares a bunch of names and numbers
"The blue one": everyone knows exactly which one

[pastel yew]

this is what you get for using a guide rather than doing the slighest amount of work to test your own break points 🫵

[terse idol]

Uh

[quiet valley]

And it’s hard to ask for info, bc the amount of misinformation lol

[terse idol]

I have vanilla darktide okay?

[pastel yew]

what is meta isnt even what is comfy for some things

[quiet valley]

Ppl just be saying shit

[terse idol]

If the guide can't even guide me

How do i know

[pastel yew]

I mean its not even misinformation always

people will just disagree

[terse idol]

Weight of fire just feels good though

[pastel yew]

even really knowledgeable players be disagreeing on some things like

[terse idol]

Yes

[pastel yew]

no one can know everything

[terse idol]

I have an excuse thank god

[pastel yew]

personal bias is never gonna get eliminated

[terse idol]

I thought the light mark helbore with Weight of fire and armour bane felt okie

[quiet valley]

Weight of Fire = less crits, worse breakpoint feeling, and less ammo efficiency

[pastel yew]

use a guide to get a guideline then test your own shit to find whats comfortable

[orchid hemlock]

Nah, Path's takes are gospel

[terse idol]

Spam into crushers

And I dint have to run surgical

[tall torrent]

Do not ever

[cobalt crest]

Speaking of path

[terse idol]

Since my hand is already cramping

[cobalt crest]

In a very unrelated and convoluted segway

Path of exile 2 is tomorrow

[pastel yew]

I've disagreed with em loads before, I've not always been right but there are definitely things I've not changed my mind on

[tall torrent]

Always challenge my opinions if you feel like you have factual support for your claims

[pastel yew]

its not like testing your own stuff takes long

[terse idol]

Deadshot when-

[quiet valley]

Yeah POE2 tomorrow woooo

[pastel yew]

deadshot always

[cobalt crest]

So excited

[pastel yew]

if deadshots incorrect I dont want to be right.

[quiet valley]

That’s why I rushed 40 already

I’m ready to leave tomorrow haha

[pastel yew]

wonder if the poe servers will just fuckin die

[cobalt crest]

I can't play cause I still have finals

[tall torrent]

Test falter breakpoint for a single gun and you’ll feel what the emperor feels

[cobalt crest]

But dam Im gonna make my character at the very least

[orchid hemlock]

Get me there

I'll pay u

[pastel yew]

fuck that, I've already got my own little autistic balance fascination I dont need another

dark heresy is a better game anyway 🚬

[terse idol]

Without a doubt

[quiet valley]

Bro falter No Respite 🤓

[terse idol]

I won't be playing a week

So i can get a smooth experience

[quiet valley]

What no

[pastel yew]

I feel like itd be easier to just look at game code at that point no?

I guess you'd have to figure out how to do it if you dont know

[cobalt crest]

I'll send u my noods

[quiet valley]

[pastel yew]

sned noots

[orchid hemlock]

Dam those must be expensive

[cobalt crest]

See look at that now he's gonna grind me to havoc 40

Cause I know what he wants

[pastel yew]

I'll shout you out on my twitter account if you carry me to 40

think of the exposure

[terse idol]

Yeah

Grind

[orchid hemlock]

How many followers?

[terse idol]

🤨

[quiet valley]

It’s not even a grind now

[pastel yew]

uhh.. I dont actually have a twitter account.. whats a reasonable number

[quiet valley]

I have host 40

[pastel yew]

1000?

10000?

[orchid hemlock]

Watch byt the end of the year there will be an underground economy for Havoc ranks 💀

[quiet valley]

So it’s just 1 mission

[cobalt crest]

Oh right

[quiet valley]

By the end of week 2 everyone will have havoc 40

[cobalt crest]

Do you have to reach 40 to unlock the armor sets

[pastel yew]

people out here doing 24 missions in like two days

[quiet valley]

It’s a joke title

[pastel yew]

I aint got the mental energy

[strange oxide]

whats the dump stat on xii recon lasgun?

[quiet valley]

Only 25

[tall torrent]

Idk if havoc will stay a long term relevant mode

[pastel yew]

nah because you need the one thing most darktide players dont have

friends

[cobalt crest]

I still wanna do it legitimately

[pastel yew]

or people that will do it for you

its a barrier to entry thats at least bigger than join aurics and alt f4 till you get carried

[terse idol]

Ooh that's a good point

[pastel yew]

it was meant to be fucking

[terse idol]

As more people finish it might just become stagnant

[pastel yew]

darktide harder difficulty

but we got this shit instead

aa

[terse idol]

I mean maybe

This is calibration

[pastel yew]

I was so hyped

[terse idol]

For a cataclysm mode

[tall torrent]

Cuz havoc meta is really far stretched from the base game (at least for veteran)

And havoc rewards are like, not very good for playing?

[orchid hemlock]

Nah if rather do a Havoc 30+ than slug thru another Auric with PUBS

[terse idol]

This is exactly the same

As cata

Saddly

[pastel yew]

yeah the lack of mats for playing havoc is giga lame

[terse idol]

Way harder for less rewards

But the drip is cool

[pastel yew]

seems worth to hit 40 and play once a week to get the crate

the drip is cool

will admit

[terse idol]

That's it

[tall torrent]

Yea pretty much

But u can also like

[tall torrent]

Cheese that system in a way

[pastel yew]

every time fatshark gets me excited

it

leads to dissapointment

[quiet valley]

Havoc 40 honestly not even that fun

[pastel yew]

I feel like I'm being taught a 40k lesson

[cobalt crest]

Would you say havoc 40 is fun

[quiet valley]

Just tedious, not even hard

[tall torrent]

Cuz u could reach havoc40
And just go to a low havoc rank lobby to stomp

[cobalt crest]

I feel like it restricts the meta too much

[tall torrent]

It depends on what your definition of fun is

[cobalt crest]

From what I've heard

[pastel yew]

we'll see I mean

again this is just very early days

more shit will be figured out

[tall torrent]

If you’re really into playing your class into a specific role, you might like it?

[pastel yew]

better strategies comps weapon adjustments

[orchid hemlock]

I thought 0.2 seconds on a regular gunner and your dead

[tall torrent]

But that’s not a h40 exclusive thing

[pastel yew]

the issue is you dont have to for non havoc though

[cobalt crest]

I mean if it's like deeprocks difficulty setting that ruins every weapon except the most op ones and turns the game into a chore than not really

[pastel yew]

they've power crept the game to the point it doesnt matter

[pliant prawn]

can the shovel one shot crushers with the right loadout

[cobalt crest]

Yeah

[pliant prawn]

ooo

[tall torrent]

Most weapons aren’t very good there I can say that much

[cobalt crest]

Uncanny thrust shovel can

[pastel yew]

I really dislike the necessity of like

smoke / shield type abilities

[quiet valley]

Havoc less player expression, pretty lame

[pastel yew]

that is the big cringe

though maybe they'll adjust some conditions to make it easier

add some others to make it harder in more fun ways

[cobalt crest]

Like payday2s endgame was fun but that was more cause they added so much bloat so it didn't really matter if the meta was restrictive imo

[pastel yew]

payday2s endgame is fucked though

death sentence loud is

[cobalt crest]

Now? For sure

[pastel yew]

like

[orchid hemlock]

Good, I hate PUBS going stamina block efficiency evis with bleed blessings

[pastel yew]

idk that game is an optimizers wet dream

[cobalt crest]

But like I remember 2016 era when suits and crossbow/Thanatos was the meta

[quiet valley]

The mods are not even difficult

[pastel yew]

I was working my way through the death sentence heists but theres too many

[cobalt crest]

And that was actually a good time imo

[pastel yew]

payday is significantly harder than darktide

[pastel yew]

so we got some room to grow

[quiet valley]

The real difficulty is 15% ammo pickups, and shooters 1 tapping you

[cobalt crest]

I haven't really tried death sentence all that much I played a lot during one down

[terse idol]

That's a weird comparison I'll admit

I aant to say so baddly

That vermintide 2 is harder than darktid

[pastel yew]

eh they're both 4 a side pve games with abilities n guns

[cobalt crest]

Stopped when they stopped updating didn't pick it up when they realised their WW2 game and walking dead game were ass

[pastel yew]

vermintide I've heard is very hard

I've not gotten to that level though

dont think I've maxed a class

[terse idol]

A skinny ass rat in a loincloth hitting you with a shitty stick

For 25% of your maximum hp

[pastel yew]

got pretty high with uhh... the crusader dude

with the silly ult one shot

[terse idol]

And they attack FAST

[pastel yew]

then tried a lot of others

[terse idol]

Bounty hunte

[pastel yew]

nah thats for saltzpyre right?

its fuckin

grail relic/

its brettonia shit

[terse idol]

All i can say is like, in darktide enemies follow rules, they choreograph their attacks

Skaven slaves will LUNGE

From a standstill

And poke you

[cobalt crest]

Wait I remember payday 2 had an lmg meta for a while

[pastel yew]

the specials in vermintide are so fuckin anoying though

[cobalt crest]

And they ruined the ammo economy of like

90% of the weapons

[terse idol]

Blight stormer is so disruptful

[pastel yew]

that bastard with the man catcher... listening to him approach makes my soul uncomfortable

I hate the sound design

its not even good uncomfy its just ear hurt

[terse idol]

Oh yeah grail knigh

[pastel yew]

yeah thats the one

[cobalt crest]

Maybe get an audio replacer mod?

[terse idol]

I'm used to the sound designs

Chaos knights deep base

[pastel yew]

since grail reliquaries are fuckin corpses I probably should have guessed

the chaos knights look so cool

[pastel yew]

yeah if there is one I will

next time I play vermintide at least

I would like to get better in it as theres a lot of fun content

[cobalt crest]

I wanna play vermjntide but I don't wanna buy all the dlc

[pastel yew]

the chaos wastes stuff seems super cool

just buy the dlc you like no?

for the classes that interest you

[cobalt crest]

Idk I like having everything

[pastel yew]

never play total war warhammer

...

mercy on your wallet

[cobalt crest]

Dude my wallet is already suffering

[pastel yew]

same..

my gpu recently exploded

months out of warranty

and my main ssd is also fucking

dying

;-;

[cobalt crest]

I keep adding more to the pile

[pastel yew]

double whammy

[gilded meteor]

anyone have tips for on overwatch and the grenade one?

[cobalt crest]

Riiip

[pastel yew]

STOP

[orchid hemlock]

I bought this game at $20 and haven't spent a cent since

[pastel yew]

play your backlog

do it

[quiet valley]

Just play shout

[cobalt crest]

I'm gonna ignore playing my backlog

And play darktide

Yippeee

[pastel yew]

valid...

I also have the curse of mega backlog though

[quiet valley]

Walk with your team, and shout any time you break 100% toughness

[cobalt crest]

Oh wait speaking of GPUs destroying

[pastel yew]

but in my defence its just when games get huge sales

so they're dirt cheap

[cobalt crest]

One of my friends was in call and he for some reason has a wok full of water

[pastel yew]

but then I just play the same 5 games on rotation

[tall torrent]

I think I’ll get to h40 and then just join pub parties in low havoc to maintain rank lol

[cobalt crest]

Spills it on his pc

[pastel yew]

I've done this befor.

[heavy rover]

why would someone have a wok full of water next to the PC?

[pastel yew]

I'm not gonna lie

[cobalt crest]

Bruh do bottles not exist

[pastel yew]

not a wok but

[terse idol]

If you do buy it

[quiet valley]

I think you have to clear your assignment per week

[pastel yew]

a pint glass

[terse idol]

Skip WoM

Winds of magic

[pastel yew]

I was very drunk

[cobalt crest]

I got the base game for free

[terse idol]

[gilded meteor]

why are you everywhere? get back to yogs!!

[pastel yew]

my brother had basically fed me whiskey I was a full bottle down

[cobalt crest]

I got no clue man

[tall torrent]

I’ll read their blog again to check

[pastel yew]

I was not there

but yeah very costly moronic move

[terse idol]

I play alotta games

[cobalt crest]

I think it was on his bed

And he was trying to move it

[tall torrent]

But I don’t think I’ll be playing havoc much after I get the cosmetic stuff done

[terse idol]

Some say I'm terminally online

[tall torrent]

I got 5.5k penance points today for Moebian 6th helmet

[terse idol]

Ah shit

I guess this might be the last week to get the havoc cosmetic

[tall torrent]

Actually looks pretty good

[terse idol]

[quiet valley]

Havoc honestly not that fun imo

40 kinda just slow gameplay

[cobalt crest]

Yeah idk having enemies be bullet sponges and you be infinitely more fragile is not my idea of good balancing

[gilded meteor]

this is like, the 2nd or 3rd other game ive seen you in the discord for!!

[pastel yew]

some people will like the slower pace at least

[tall torrent]

It forces a particular playstyle out of everyone

[terse idol]

[pastel yew]

the game is never gonna be challenging without nerfs though

we're already at peak enemy capacity

[quiet valley]

I mean, it’s mostly our fault, optimize fun out to win and all

[terse idol]

I really thought FS said I didn't need to crush my balls in havoc to get the armour but I gotta get them squished abit

[pastel yew]

speak for yourself...

though I do try to optimize everything I use

I think thats a fun side to games like this though

the discovery and experimentation

[terse idol]

Its hard

Maintaining the power fantasy

[quiet valley]

Like, when a Captain spawns, it’s kite back and kill, and it’s just a time waster

Pushing would be more fun and faster but, illogical in havoc 40

[terse idol]

Adjust for lower skilled player

[pastel yew]

yeah I can see that

[terse idol]

The game is still challenging

[orchid hemlock]

Hmm hmmm interesting

[pastel yew]

I just think as time has gone on its been too much in the power fantasy really

[orchid hemlock]

So $20 for that 40 run? 🤔

[pastel yew]

also I say this as someone with hundreds of hours and who is generally pretty good at games, I know not everyone is gonna have an easy time

[carmine arrow]

god stand up and fight is so annoying to focus on

[pastel yew]

just.. I feel other games provide that challenge where darktide fails

most of the difficulties are unused

[gilded meteor]

“nurgle is the best god!” mfs when a veteran shouts “THERE IS ONLY WAR!” really loud

[quiet valley]

Bro 💀

[pastel yew]

man you could be

makin a killing here

[orchid hemlock]

Truuu

[cobalt crest]

I can only think of like old payday 2 and l4d2 tbh

[pastel yew]

new payday 2 is still fuckin nails..

[quiet valley]

I think that counts against TOS or some shit, RMT

[pastel yew]

if it was harder before then good god

[cobalt crest]

Is new payday2 fun?

[orchid hemlock]

I AM JOKING MODS PLA DON'T BAN ME

[pastel yew]

hue.h.a..d well ... .like.. huhh.. uhhh

its certainly a game of all time

I enjoy it but

[cobalt crest]

Yeah that really fucking sucks

[pastel yew]

there is such a narrow margin for fun

[quiet valley]

MODS

[gilded meteor]

also, are there savlar chemdog cosmetics yet? i feel like that would fit veterans pretty nicely

[pastel yew]

the stelath is fun

even if the movement tech in that game is broken as fuck

moving so fast it breaks enemy detection

[quiet valley]

ARREST HIM, ARREST THAT MAN

[austere mica]

Yes

Nice coat

[pastel yew]

.. when

[orchid hemlock]

DMs are open BTW

[pastel yew]

I missed it

thats so sad

[orchid hemlock]

/sssssssss

[terse idol]

L4d2 is piss easy

Ima be real

[austere mica]

Collar actually fits the scions helm too

[quiet valley]

ERM

[gilded meteor]

yippee! when was it open?

[cobalt crest]

Ok but doing shadow raid One down is like

[terse idol]

More like learn to headshot

[cobalt crest]

Dooamine

[austere mica]

No idea!

[quiet valley]

I’ll probably do carries for free later, not online atm

[gilded meteor]

semi good to hear, means it might market again soon

[pastel yew]

fun fact, my first time playing payday on pc I was forced into the sewers by my friend to carry bags for like 20 minutes ;-;

[cobalt crest]

I'm NGL last time I played that shit I was 11 so idk

[pastel yew]

I will never see that heist the same

also l4d2 is

at this point too dated to be fun

[cobalt crest]

You became his little mule boy

[pastel yew]

it feels BAD

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/multimediabae-gif-8548024472140477054

[orchid hemlock]

Ok but 2 seconds after I will donate to a PayPal account that may or may not link to your bank account

[gilded meteor]

i kinda wish l4d2 was a looter shooter. hate me for it if you want

[pastel yew]

lmao

I respect it

I dont agree with it

but thats fun

[cobalt crest]

I'd love to play old versions of payday 2 but like I enjoyed playing with ransoms

Borderlands 2 is genuinely hard

In a

Really stupid way

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean new payday 2 just feels like you need to optimize literally every possible fuckin advantage to even hold a reasonable chance of winning

I dont agree on the borderlands 2 thing though

but I've played that game loads so

[cobalt crest]

I mean idk I still haven't managed to spawn triple O

I spent at least a days worth of hours on that shit

[quiet valley]

Only thing with 40 carries is that you need to play a specific build so that its actually carriable

[pastel yew]

suffering

[orchid hemlock]

I've been spamming Zealot because everyone tells me to run the purify aura

[cobalt crest]

He just did not want to spawn like ever

[quiet valley]

That’s a good one, we used that for 40 as well

[cobalt crest]

Idk I feel like op levels are challenging the first time around

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78109-a3e5-43fc-8015-cb87ce5612a2/zealot-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[cobalt crest]

Just cause finding out you have to do bit integer levels of damage

[pastel yew]

this shit I kinda hate honestly the way borderlands does this stuff is silly

the game is infinitely more fun, if you start at level 30 on true vault hunter or something

there are so many game mechanics that get added AFTER you beat the game

like why

[cobalt crest]

Yeah having to play the game like 10 times in a row on one character

[pastel yew]

the elemental system of the game

is completely meaningless

[gilded meteor]

its not imo

[pastel yew]

in the first run

[orchid hemlock]

U know how boring it is to use chorus?

[gilded meteor]

they give you ridiculously op gear around level 20

[orchid hemlock]

[pastel yew]

also later runs get new enemies like.. why gate all this stuff away bah

[quiet valley]

Not boring when you get unlimited flamer ammo for the whole mission

[cobalt crest]

Ok when I say hard I also do mean In like

[pastel yew]

real nickleback: "look at this artifacccct" moment

[cobalt crest]

The most tedious way

Possible

[orchid hemlock]

How do I get unlimited flamer ammo? 🤔

[cobalt crest]

Which I'm NGL I found fun when bl2 was like one of 3 games I had

[pastel yew]

I mean from the screenshots earlier it seems like you get it by no one else using ammo xd

also could be worse

the new borderlands games are so dead

[cobalt crest]

But like idk reloading the game 200 times

[orchid hemlock]

Fuck it 4 bubble Psykers

[terse idol]

I feeeel like ahh

[orchid hemlock]

We ball

Literally

[cobalt crest]

To get a perfect fibbe

[pastel yew]

I've tried and dropped presequal and 3 twice now

[cobalt crest]

For gaige

[terse idol]

Like at some point it gets a little ridiculous

Or you just

[cobalt crest]

I actually really like 3's gameplay loop

[pastel yew]

yeah and its way before whatever payday is at

[terse idol]

Play death wish missions and stealth them

[quiet valley]

Vet ammo fountain

[cobalt crest]

But 3 is also a joke

[terse idol]

And that's the greatest reward

[pastel yew]

like I will admit, me liking paydays 2s max difficulty

[gilded meteor]

oh i get it

[pastel yew]

is enough of a symptom to diagnose me with autism at the gate

[gilded meteor]

yeah grinding gets annoying for gear

[cobalt crest]

Most of my hours playing 3 are also hours I've spent watching movies

[pastel yew]

it just appeals to that side of my brain that wants to optimize something to perfection and then make 0 mistakes

[cobalt crest]

And listening to podcasts

[pastel yew]

but yeah most people will not enjoy it

[orchid hemlock]

I want to beat lvl 40 with an Ogryn

[pastel yew]

I think game 3 is just too easy, you get showered in legendary weapons which arent even better than shit you have already

[gilded meteor]

i remember giving a friend my really strong infinite ammo fire/acid lmg before his mom made him remove all his friends when we were young

[pastel yew]

but it doesnt matter because none of the bosses are tough

its just... idk it plays itself its not engaging

[cobalt crest]

How much bl2 have you played

[gilded meteor]

i beat it a few times, its been years though

[tall torrent]

It’s doable
You’re just gonna taunt + shield

[pastel yew]

4 stack ogryn phalanx...

[sleek garden]

thats a crazy statement

[pastel yew]

isnt that what the shields in lore do?

[terse idol]

I thought bl2 was okie the issue being my build defining weapon was a quest weapon you got early on

[pastel yew]

they like

lock together right

[terse idol]

Melee krieg

[tall torrent]

Gunlugger ogryn kind of doesn’t exist in havoc

[quiet valley]

Zero ammo for gunslinger

[elder fiber]

what a shame

[pastel yew]

it just is though, theres no reason to play left for dead when newer better games exist in the genre

[quiet valley]

Lugger*

[pastel yew]

its just dated

the guns feel bad

[terse idol]

Left 4 dead is like

[orchid hemlock]

Slugger Deez nutts

[terse idol]

Its a fine casual arcade game

[quiet valley]

Flamer way more efficient

[pastel yew]

the movement feels like bad source movement

[terse idol]

There is no depth

[pastel yew]

because it is bad source movement

[gilded meteor]

who does borderlands builds? just pick axton and get the sentry nuke. thats the only build you need

[terse idol]

The skill ceiling is just

Shoot good

You can beat expert if you have people who can shoot good

And know how to space

[cobalt crest]

Ok cause like there's a point in the game where 99% of the weapons are dog shit and you basically need to use a fuck ton of bullshit to do bit integer levels of damage to kill bosses

[terse idol]

Its a great game for its time

Great game no

[terse idol]

Now

But there's no depth

[pastel yew]

for its time for sure

but the game is ancient now

[terse idol]

Yeah

Its dated well though

[pastel yew]

2009 is a long time

[terse idol]

Aged fine

[pastel yew]

thats literally

pre skyrim

[gilded meteor]

i never had that issue tbh. bosses were a bit spongy, but i always nuked em

[cobalt crest]

Look at op 10 stuff it's interesting

Kind of

[pastel yew]

it aged amazingly but very few games are holding up that long

[terse idol]

Once you start playing vermintide and darktide it's just hard to go back

[pastel yew]

for sure

or deep rock galactic if you're more in the mood for casual stuff with friends

[gilded meteor]

i got really high badass levels and used codes to get even stronger gear at high levels thru the crates

[cobalt crest]

I got to the point where I had to do modded difficulties

To enjoy deeprock

[pastel yew]

I havent gotten that far yet as I play pretty infrequently

most of my friends are also not very good at games like this

I'm basically just starting the uhh

mod grind

[gilded meteor]

got to the point where i would eviscerate handsome jack in about 5-10 mins

[cobalt crest]

GTFO actually

[pastel yew]

whatever the things are you slot into your weapon

[cobalt crest]

Is pretty hard

[pastel yew]

gtfo is a trash game I'm ngl

I've tried it

[gilded meteor]

never played gtfo

[pastel yew]

and I have never experienced a game that is so "why is this popular, why do eople even enjoy this"

like its not bad

its just

not anything

its not tense, its not challenging its

idk

not for me certainly

[cobalt crest]

I haven't played enough of GTFO to gather a legitimate opinion I think

Cause only one of my friends has it

[gilded meteor]

wanna know a good game? helldivers 2 (not biased)

[cobalt crest]

And I do not want to join their discord

And find randoms

[pastel yew]

helldivers sucks

it does one thing right

[cobalt crest]

I wanna use the matchmaking system but it is non-existent

[pastel yew]

and thats being cinematic as fuck

it absolutely nails that

[gilded meteor]

you suck!

[pastel yew]

but mechanically it is so bad

[gilded meteor]

games fun

[shadow dagger]

a true level +6 exe stance infantry las vet in d149g is crazy

what are we doing in here xd

[pastel yew]

the controls feel sluggish and unrewarding

the weapons dont feel nice

[cobalt crest]

Isn't that cause they nerfed like half of them into the ground

[gilded meteor]

im burnt out rn because ive been fighting the same enemies for 8 months, but once new funny squids drop im gonna binge

[pastel yew]

once the initial hype died off people dropped off the game because there just isnt much there

[pastel yew]

no idea honestly I dont follow the meta that closely or at all

also all the maps being generated

means everything looks the same

its just one smudge of brown

[gilded meteor]

ive never had issues, i kill bots/bugs left and right, even with a constitution

[pastel yew]

everywhere

[carmine arrow]

Am I right in perhaps thinking the chain axe isnt great compared to other melees

[pastel yew]

compared to hand crafted levels theres really no competition

[quiet valley]

Wrong

[pastel yew]

for sure, its good though

just worse by comparision

[gilded meteor]

also mechanics must be good

[pastel yew]

comparison

[gilded meteor]

because black ops 6 copied our movement

[pastel yew]

you need weapon specialist for it to not feel awful