veteran-class

[crisp oak]

Ypur damn right it does

[signal garden]

crushers? i agree, both shovel types can control crushers, and the headbonk with the SP attack on the tacax can stagger crushers

[rose reef]

this commisar dukane how insane are her missions can't be worse than auric maelstrom surely

[crisp oak]

Yeah was wondering how the knife is without talent investment

[signal garden]

shout outs to using a knife to run away at hihg speeds

[crisp oak]

Vs the folding shovels

I like the standard issue but multiple crusher squads need killing

[signal garden]

well imo knife is better on vet because the 30% weakspot feels great, and so does the brittleness on crit

not a fan on knife FOR zealot, definitely feeling consistently quicker TTKs on vet with a knife

[crisp oak]

Any specific blessings to use on it?

Basically planning to use it on crushers, dense and wide hordes where I need pushes, and mauler packs

[clear mist]

looking for an new weapon i can have fun with since i only seem to use the shock maul (sorry for late reply i gat busy and forgat)

[signal garden]

bleed + rending is pretty brutal, since rending and brittleness affect bleed damage

i feel like shovel is the answer to your usecases

[crisp oak]

The folding shovels with carapace, decimator and thrust will oneshot crushers with a charged heavy

[signal garden]

right, and the neutral horz swing is fantastic at crowd control

[wheat gate]

How tf do you block cancel

[crisp oak]

Yeah probably

[signal garden]

unfolded heavy horz swing i mean

[crisp oak]

Yup, hopefully it works withput decimator

[signal garden]

@wheat gate imo better to do a clean cycle than block cancel

[crisp oak]

The 3 is the one with the horizontal heavies right?

[signal garden]

like on eviscerator its just LLLHLLLH or something

and one of the tacaxes is just HLLHLLHLL

[crisp oak]

You do a push attack

Or just block, and restart chain

Whats gonna be fun is trying to use a helbore in havok and not oneshotting trappers with a cjarged bodyshot

[sleek garden]

playing the new mission

get to the arena

spawns gunners in the double digits on all 4 sides

okay

[crisp oak]

Just keep sliding just keep sliding

[sleek garden]

shredded everyone because i couldnt shoot back in time

i didnt realize they were behind me until i was dead

[wheat gate]

I keep dying to fucking trappers

Holy shit

[crisp oak]

Had thag happen on a carnival run once, like 10 ragers spawned at the start behind us after we dripped down

[wheat gate]

trappers are my no1 death cause

Dodging nets is so wonky

Its getting on my nerves

[crisp oak]

Murder them as soon as you hear them

[wheat gate]

They usually shoot me in the back

[sleek garden]

this is why i play lasgun

[crisp oak]

That means you missed an audio cue

[sleek garden]

i just stand in the back and kill stuff

[signal garden]

im not sure what the best lasgun is

[crisp oak]

Probably recon

With the crit spam

[sleek garden]

i like the infantry lasgun on the cover of the game

[signal garden]

recon, obviously max RoF; normal infantry pattern, medium fire rate/damage has the best recoil; helbore, luv me bayonet

[crisp oak]

Some guy was saying rhe infantry might make the most sense for havok

With a focus on nades

[umbral scaffold]

what are the good shockmaul perks

[crisp oak]

No idea, didnt enjoy the shock mauls moveset when playing with it so just stipped using it

[signal garden]

im pretty sure you dont use shockmaul for its goodness

[umbral scaffold]

feels good to swing it

[sleek garden]

im going crazy

[signal garden]

that said its one of those weaposn that doesnt feel fucking awful just because you didnt minmax it

looking at you, heavy sword

[sleek garden]

im watching this psyker use his electric staff and hes never using his primary fire

[tame lodge]

Flak whatever

[wheat gate]

Best lasgun is recon

without doubt

[tame lodge]

Elites or Maniacs

[sleek garden]

hes trying to shock a stationary sniper from 50 meters away

[wheat gate]

crit spam with infernus kills bosses super fast

[umbral scaffold]

i meant blessings but also noted tyvm ; - ;

[wheat gate]

And good ammo economy

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher then High Voltage

[signal garden]

yeah i figure any weapon that can bully its way through any target and use case, has fuckall recoil, and is hipfire friendly, is probably hard to beat

[umbral scaffold]

TY!

[halcyon elk]

Are the helbore lasguns good for endgame?

[signal garden]

also pick up a small box, 200-300 ammo

[crisp oak]

Also lasgun crits domt use ammo

[sleek garden]

its hard for it to be precise at midrange

[cyan verge]

you could maybe bring a helbore to damnation and do okay but don't bring it to aurics please

[signal garden]

@halcyon elk ive got like 100 hours on each class, and 50 of it is on helbore on fun and ubiquitousness alone

[sleek garden]

thats a talent

[signal garden]

its a knifer rifle if you get my drift

[crisp oak]

But if ypu are using recon.... you take it

[signal garden]

im reminded of kerillian's magical asspull javelins and their crazy range, helbore has great melee range

[crisp oak]

It does

Also does pretty decent damage

Oneshots dogs

Staggers and 3 stabs ragers

[signal garden]

and as of 2-3 patches ago im pretty sure weap specialist attack speed actually works on it

[crisp oak]

I think trench fighter does

[signal garden]

to make up for it losing the ability to DPS down a daemonhost in 10 seconds 5 patches ago

[crisp oak]

My issue is getting weapon specialist with the lasgun ammo node and my damage perks

[signal garden]

oh honey its the knifer rifle, not the shooty gun

[crisp oak]

But being able to oneshot all specials other than muties and carapace is so nice

[signal garden]

feels sick af to stab shit, delete the occasional sniper, then go back to stabbing

[crisp oak]

Like 75% charge delete a flamer

[signal garden]

as with the recon i do like the decent hipfire accuracy too

[cyan verge]

I just saw a krieger dude in auric who basically did nothing but shovel for the entire mission because he'd swap to helbore then go oh that's too slow and just go back to shovel lol

[crisp oak]

Sounds right

[cyan verge]

so, I'm building only more hatred of this stupid gun right now

[signal garden]

shame, they did alot to make it faster to take out

[cyan verge]

I am sure it's fine in the right hands, but...

[signal garden]

bunch of tourists only now trying the helbore

remember when pre-nutalents it was 4x bolters on damna?

[crisp oak]

I mean its fine if you dont like it, ypu tried it and thats that

[signal garden]

i didnt hear nobody complaining about the ready speed of the bolter then (then again you could reload with F)

[tall torrent]

Right click mouse and immediately let go

[crisp oak]

Also not sure if Im confident to use the helbore in auric maelstorm, since the temptation to bayonet only will get me killed

[signal garden]

any weapon that can on demand stagger lock half a dozen ragers

is probably going to do more to prevent you dying, than get yuo killed

[crisp oak]

Fair

But the emperors wrath takes over, and then I round the corner into the crusher pack

[signal garden]

the shots are still good, pair that with a shout or stealth and you're gucci

even the basic shovel headshot stagger stab can maintain stagger on crushers despite doing frankly no damage to crushers

[crisp oak]

True, it also stuns ragers enough to get the bayo back out

[tall torrent]

Helbore does not stagger that many

[signal garden]

yeah heavy bonk swing is satisfying in sound and effect

wat

[tall torrent]

It’s only ok for fighting single ragers

[signal garden]

wat again

[tall torrent]

Yea

What

[crisp oak]

Eh you just stab one, and it knocks them out of their combo

[signal garden]

are you using the goofy one

[tall torrent]

You flat out don’t have enough cleave to hit more than 1 rager per stab

[crisp oak]

Giving you enough time to stab the other

[signal garden]

like, the mk3 or whatever with the overhead swing

[tall torrent]

You can try this in meat grinder with creature spawner yourself

[signal garden]

and i have

skill issue inc

[tall torrent]

It’s not good for fighting multiple

[crisp oak]

Ive used it to defend ~4 at once, anymore and it gets dicey

[signal garden]

yeah, around a corner and youre god moding, in an open field they kinda spread out

[tall torrent]

lol

[signal garden]

fine lol limit yourself to your WoW-epic tier BiS stuff youve been using

and ill... have fun?

[crisp oak]

I enjoy the hellbore, I see its issues but it is fun

[ornate tusk]

[tall torrent]

I’m just telling him the truth

[signal garden]

truth is if you dont know what youre doing, its true

[tall torrent]

The truth is that bayonet doesn’t cleave enough or have enough cleave damage distribution for fighting multiple ragers on its own

[signal garden]

but if you know what youre doing, the truth is eeeeeh

[tall torrent]

You’re going to need to use ability

[ornate tusk]

[signal garden]

the bayonet doesnt stop except on carapace

[tall torrent]

You’re going to need to use other tools for stagger for safety

[tall torrent]

?

Sorry what

Your 3 cleave attack is going to cleave through an enemy with 4 mass?

[crisp oak]

Maybe, I know Ive done a lot with the bayonet, but I think they nerfed it a bit since I last used it jeavy

[signal garden]

it doesnt stop except on carapace

no lol just stab and swing your mouse around

so what if it only hurts the first enemy, the other enemies get staggered

and they take some tickle damage

[tall torrent]

There is no stagger because u don’t get to hit the 2nd

[crisp oak]

Figure bayonet, and dodging should allow you to fight 4 ragera

[ornate tusk]

[crisp oak]

With the stagger (I did that like 2 days ago no issue)

[tall torrent]

You’re trying to argue against hard numbers here idk why

[signal garden]

yeah with hard ive been playing a weapon

[tall torrent]

Bayonet flat out does not hit more than 1 dreg rager per stab

[signal garden]

hey brother you stick to your spreadsheets

[crisp oak]

I agree with the cleave thing, auric rager trains.... you are gonna have a problem

[signal garden]

and ill stick to spreading cheeks

[tall torrent]

You need to run a very specific (and not very good) blessing for it to hit more than 1 Dreg rager

[crisp oak]

That would be funny though

A silly billy move

[signal garden]

what blessing, literally none of the blessings are meant for the bayonet

[tall torrent]

Hotshot

[crisp oak]

There is an increased cleave on weakspot hit

Does the brittleness work on the bayonet?

[tall torrent]

You’d need to shoot them first

On a gun that really wants surgical

And probably wants weight of fire most of the time

[crisp oak]

Weighr of fire would be the one replaced

[tall torrent]

You have 1.875m dodge distance and only 3 dodges

[crisp oak]

Got really used to the gun without it

[signal garden]

i know the stacking brittleness does

though im not going to stab a crusher 20 times lol

even if it does work

[solemn niche]

what build is this veteran using to tank thegunners like that ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62fmOhp1cWg

[crisp oak]

I do infact feel this

[sleek garden]

I need some competent teammmates

im struggling

[tall torrent]

Bayonet is a good tool for keeping the gun in your hands for as long as possible but it’s nowhere close to a substitute for a proper melee weapon

[crisp oak]

Yeah

I have no illusions

Ive used the gun for ~100 hours

[signal garden]

@solemn niche vet has a massive toughness DR at >75% toughtness talent

[tall torrent]

This depends on the variant you’re going for

[signal garden]

if the name of the game is staying topped off, vet is probably stupid tankiest for that talent alone

im sorry ogryn its true, now go back to doing your job of unironically taking all the ammo and bulldozing everything with the heavy stubba

[tall torrent]

Weight of fire is a very big dps boost for playing Helbore the normally intended way (backline sniping)

But if you’re getting interrupted way too much then its uptime isn’t gonna be very high because it drops all stacks on stopping continuous fire

[signal garden]

"the intended way" he says as the death korps of krieg sit at the commodore's vestitures

[tall torrent]

I appreciate that banter, thanks

[signal garden]

its the only gun with a bayonet

well

[tall torrent]

It’s the only gun with a good bayonet

[signal garden]

ogryn

whatever

[tall torrent]

But it’s nowhere as good as it used to be

[signal garden]

i still think of the absurd attack rate of kerillian's javelin

[tall torrent]

It used to have glitched blessings

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

You could put limbsplitter + brutal momentum on your melee

And they’d apply to helbore’s bayonet

But since bayonet attack is not “melee weapon’s attack” it won’t consume limbsplitter

So you had a permanent +60% strength fast atk speed stick that also killed 4 guys per stab

Then it got patched out and bayonet went from the best melee weapon in the game to what we have now

[ancient path]

how good is stamina regen on vet curios?

[signal garden]

terrible

[ancient path]

oh

[tall torrent]

Only affects regen rate, not regen delay

[ancient path]

oh dang

what do ya'll use

[tall torrent]

If you don’t take the regen delay reduction nodes on either side you’re prob not getting that much value

[signal garden]

imo just mark targets or swap weapons alot for weapon spec

[tall torrent]

Do u want to get into havoc

[ancient path]

am i a mad man for liking block effectiveness lol

[ancient path]

ya

[signal garden]

lemme correct myself, WHAT are you sacrificing stamina regen for

[ancient path]

its for havoc prep

[signal garden]

like, are you dropping gunner resist or assist speed?

or whatever relevant thing is being replaced

i forget what weapons have

[ancient path]

no.

[tall torrent]

For main stats
2 health
1 toughness

For perks
At least 2x gunner resist
3x sprint efficiency
1x sniper resist
Possibly 2x corruption resist

[ancient path]

interesting. 3x tough not as good?

[tall torrent]

Havoc has a -toughness hidden effect

[ancient path]

oooh.

[tall torrent]

Up to -45 toughness at max rank

[ancient path]

neat.

what if im not playing havoc?

[tall torrent]

Literally anything u want tbh

3x docket

[ancient path]

fair

[signal garden]

i feel like if havoc remoevs that much toughness thats even more reason to dump all in on toughness as vet

[tall torrent]

No

Because it also has a -35% max health effect

If you don’t build health

[signal garden]

well im dying in 2sec if i let my TGH disappear anyways

[tall torrent]

You will literally get 1 tapped downed/killed by snipers & bursters

Havoc enemies can also do corruption damage with melee hits

[ancient path]

interesting

[tall torrent]

So the more health you have to leverage the better (usually)

[signal garden]

all this sounds like moer wounds is in again

[tall torrent]

Nope, irrelevant

Pus-hardened crusher one overhead deals enough corruption to instantly kill you (not down) from full health

And most of the time there’re enough specialists & elites to deny revives if someone does get downed

[crisp oak]

Mk1

Thing is its measing with .y muscle memory

[tall torrent]

Surgical + WoF tbh

If you rly don’t feel like you’re getting much value out of WoF

I think u might benefit from smth like falter, unironically

[crisp oak]

Which one is falter?

[tall torrent]

We were testing stagger breakpoints and falter actually does things

[crisp oak]

Ah stagger yeah

[tall torrent]

x0.1 of enemy stagger reduction
+30% ranged attack stagger

[crisp oak]

Yeah that sounds nice to me

To understand my issue with wof, most of my time in darktide was spent trying to get wof

..... I never got it (and quit before masteries came out)

[tall torrent]

I get the muscle memory argument

[crisp oak]

Anyway, weapon specialist or keystoneless?

[tall torrent]

Helbore gets basically no value out of weapon specialist

Because of the way weapon specialist is coded

Unlike agile engagement (which gets effect from “melee/ranged kill”)

Weapon specialist gets stack(s) when you get kills while you have melee/ranged weapon in hand

[crisp oak]

Ahhhhh

[tall torrent]

I have no idea why it’s coded differently like that but what this means is that

You do not get to use both parts of WS with Helbore

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[crisp oak]

Indeed

[tall torrent]

(This also means that WS can get stacks from DOT & explosive kills)

[crisp oak]

Lmao why

[fiery raft]

is this good?

[crisp oak]

Fs please fix

[fiery raft]

i forget if stability is a good stat

[crisp oak]

Stability changes weapon sway

[umbral scaffold]

stability is a good stat for autoguns

[tall torrent]

It kind of matters

[fiery raft]

darn

[crisp oak]

You want mobility as your dum0

[tall torrent]

It reduces spread on a gun that doesn’t get to shoot straight

[fiery raft]

what are the good blessings on bolter?

what ive got rn

[tall torrent]

Pinning fire + puncture
Flak + maniac

[crisp oak]

Blessings are completely replaceable though

Only the stats matter

[fiery raft]

i see

okay

well the stats are good n this

what about power sword?

[crisp oak]

thats great

no idea on the blessings

but power cycler is required

actually yeah looks perfect from my powerswordless eyes

[vernal sundial]

dumping mobility feels like shit to me
i like to dump cleave targets on power sword as long as ur using brutal momentum

[halcyon elk]

Does the helbores bayonet trigger its blessings?

[vernal sundial]

also waow when did they make pcycler 3 +2? been ages since i played

[crisp oak]

Yes, but the optimal way to use the helbore (surgical+wof) do not affect the bayo

Infernus crits would be funny on the bayonet

give the zealot the helbore

[tiny summit]

Came with the crafting update

[vernal sundial]

i see
so many new blessings and talents
im so lost lmao

[warm flower]

Aurics are bugged? Third auric in a row isnt a high intensity one, tf is goin on

[cyan verge]

oh yeah that's weird

[tall torrent]

Ideally cleave target is dump

[rustic kite]

Is there a cadian set

Like armor cosmetics

[paper grove]

There have been some in the past

[umbral scaffold]

does vet have a new talent on the bottom left i dont recognize that swap speed

[rustic kite]

Are they still avalible?

[tall torrent]

Not currently

[crisp oak]

We kriegin rn

[tall torrent]

There’s a free set u could get from doing penances tho

That’s always available

[paper grove]

Not currently but this still is (its described as Cadian)

[fiery raft]

why's that?

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t meaningfully increase cleave

[fiery raft]

damn

okay, ty

[mossy oasis]

What are the best blessings for the good old sapper shovel?

[pallid jetty]

the glued one? i pick power on hit and weakspot dmg on push

[mossy oasis]

What does glued one mean?

You mean the non foldy one?

[pallid jetty]

you cant bend it

like other 2 marks

[mossy oasis]

so for mk 1 sapper power on hit, aka get 5% power stacks 10 times?

[pallid jetty]

yeah, just dont miss

[mossy oasis]

Why so, that seems a little inefficient at horde clearing

like, there could be better stuff surely, no?

[pallid jetty]

idk 🙂

[mossy oasis]

i think skullcrusher is just better if you use the shovel to hordeclear anyway

[pallid jetty]

power gives stagger, i like stagger more than damage

[crisp oak]

uncanny stike, decimator for hordes

the push attack one if you want the push attacks to do more damage for some reason

[rustic kite]

The overwatch penance is eating at my sanity and whats worse i have to do it since itd blocking some of my other penances i actually want

[stray knoll]

is there a specific area where I can post my build and get some feedback?

[cyan verge]

just post it here

[stray knoll]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d9606dc-a115-4e25-a2e0-414eb7321f8c

[cyan verge]

it might seem bad but it's only one mission, you can find 'malice low intensity' and on top of that I believe it only counts health damage not toughness so you can take like one hit and if you use voice of command it's even safer

[balmy flume]

You may want to use the LFG channel to look for help specifically as well. If only because other players could adjust to cover for you.

[true kraken]

I got that one on accident doing rolling steel

[stray knoll]

I do have to update the tags because of the fect that it's abit hard to get snipers that are far away

[true kraken]

So it can be done, I'm not very good

[stray knoll]

I just helped someone get that yesterday aswell as a few others the untouchable

[cyan verge]

I would not advise doing it on rolling steel personally but it does mean shorter mission

[ocean rock]

Try to wait 0.5 sec before shooting in bursts while crouch spamming. If you want to hit targets further than 40 m away then probably use Exec stance or even further than 60 probably deadshot too

[stray knoll]

where about are you located? also something most people dont know is toughness damage doesn't count only melee damage to health

so use voice of command with duty and honor and build towards tank get as much toughness and resistance as possible

make sure you have iron will aswell it's bascially a must have alongside voice of command and duty (don't grab only in death it fks your cooldown majorly)

I got on overwatch completely my accident last month while doing heresy on maelstrom

[cyan verge]

it is a lot harder when you are low level and have crap gear too

[stray knoll]

yeah for sure it was my last veteran penance

[cyan verge]

if you try to dip into the other classes, too, btw, they have significantly worse ones...

[stray knoll]

yeah i haven't really played the other classes I mostly just enjoy vet

I know i have to give it a go eventually but i'm doing havoc atm haha

[cyan verge]

it's good to play all the classes so you know what they do

so you know what that stupid thing zealot is holding is and what it does

and what to do when the psyker is turning everyone into an electric dancing man

[tawny glen]

which tier of wep do u create to pump something to lvl 20

[cyan verge]

... pardon

do you mean just for raising mastery

[tough tiger]

Just make gold weapons and sacrifice them all

[tawny glen]

its 1 pump

thx

[tough tiger]

If u have the finance for that

[cyan verge]

if you read literally the in-game menu

[stray knoll]

oh i do make an effort to understand the other classes I ask alot of questions expecially making sure I don't mess with people running an until death build

[tawny glen]

gold would be so inefficient

dont do that

[cyan verge]

plasteel is more common so make blue rarity

since it only costs plasteel

going higher costs diamantine and you probably don't want to waste that

[tough tiger]

What does until death have to do with anything

[stray knoll]

yeah don't go above redeemed it's basically free

[cyan verge]

he means so he doesn't clear a pack that the zealot is trying to farm for HP

[stray knoll]

some zealots run around with super low hp and skip medicae

[tough tiger]

Those martyrdom zealots

[cyan verge]

oh, that's martyrdom

[stray knoll]

ahhh

[tough tiger]

Them skipping medicae is bad even if they are running marty btw

[cyan verge]

until death is like, their 'if you die, you don't die, for a few seconds'

which when paired with holy revenant means you get lifesteal too

[stray knoll]

hey i'm not about to tell the crazy person how to play their class

aslong as they don't run off and get pounced by a dog or trapper then say 'PUSH UP TEAM"

[rustic kite]

Could you help me?

[stray knoll]

i'm in australia so maybe

[rustic kite]

Do I have to change my server to Australia?

[cyan verge]

one of you will have to choose to play with latency

[stray knoll]

the lag would most likely mess us up even if we could

[cyan verge]

which, is an oof

[junior haven]

[stray knoll]

yeah i played with the lag you basically cannot dodge snipers

[tough tiger]

The game will pick the server of whoever starts the match

[cyan verge]

yes, but you can choose that

also look at my godly ping. does everyone else get that.

[stray knoll]

@rustic kite your best bet is just to have a good high toughness build run voice of command with duty and honor (not only in death) and try to shout as much as possible

[crisp oak]

Hmm, so neither of my folding shovels can onetap crushers

Is there some talent set needed to do it?

[tough tiger]

Farm max uncanny stacks first

[cyan verge]

yeah cuz shovel sucks

[crisp oak]

Ah

[rustic kite]

Does hits to armor not count? Whats a good mission todo it in

[tough tiger]

Max uncanny lets u 1 tap a crusher

[cyan verge]

toughness not armor

[tough tiger]

Also take thrust for blessing

[crisp oak]

Yup

[cyan verge]

when I ran it I did low intensity consignment yard but it has a boss at the end so you REALLY want krak grenades and to instantly kill him or else he is probably gonna cause you to fail, and if you get bosses along the way too it can be baaaaad

[crisp oak]

Do I run carapace elites or weak spot damage?

[tough tiger]

Cara elite but i just run cara flak

[cyan verge]

maps that are very wide open are best, something like comms plex would be good

[crisp oak]

Does the flak help hit any breakpoints?

[stray knoll]

@rustic kite yeah you can take whatever toughness damage you want just don't take any melee health damage

[tough tiger]

I cant remember for the shovel

Been a while since i played vet

[crisp oak]

Tbh if I could get focus target I think I wouldnt need uncanny

[stray knoll]

anyone want to judge my dumb build? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d9606dc-a115-4e25-a2e0-414eb7321f8c

[tough tiger]

U need uncanny

Uncanny is god tier for any melee that has it

[hollow ibex]

taking a look!

[rustic kite]

Fastest mission malice diff?

[austere mica]

Train

[stray knoll]

dont do train for penance

[austere mica]

The fastest mission will always be train

[stray knoll]

yeah but he's trying to get the on overwatch penance sorry he didn't really provide context to his question

[rustic kite]

I said it earlier but what mission is the fastest i can do for overwatch penance

[austere mica]

You can probably still do that on train

Just get a friend

[rustic kite]

Not something i have

[austere mica]

I’d be down to help in like half an hour or so

[frank ether]

no you don't

this weapon is absolutely busted without the need for uncanny

[narrow bay]

Thank You @distant warren for the Stimmy Penances I have been asking for :>

[stray knoll]

enemy density will make it hard and alot of gunners will shred through your toughness

[frank ether]

unless there was a nerf in the patch, which I didn't see one

[austere mica]

Uncanny improves its consistency against horde, but yeah it’s just another option, not build defining

[austere mica]

It’s melee hp damage if I remember

[rustic kite]

So which should I do :V

[stray knoll]

yeah so keeping high toughness is a must

[frank ether]

uncanny should be nuked from the game but fatshark is just losing their touch so it will probably not happen

[hollow ibex]

here's my thoughts.

• you don't need the three toughness regen nodes. i'd just stick with either CK or O4B. ET isn't worth going for now that long shot is basically a tax node.
• i'd drop charismatic
• with the points you free up, i recommend demo team and rending strikes. if you're able to go down bottom right for the melee nodes, those are really good too (though DS doesn't actually need them)
• in terms of curios, make sure you have 200 hp, best way to do that imo is 2x hp curio and 1x toughness. ability CDR isn't worth it. at least 1x sniper resist is basically mandatory, and at least 1x gunenr resist is highly recommended

[stray knoll]

if you take alot of tougness from the gunners then some random chuckle nut can smack you on the ass

[austere mica]

I’ll just run chorus crit cdr if I join them

I need practice with that for havoc anyway

[ocean rock]

This funny build definitely prioritizes survivability over dmg. Lack of keystones confirms the theory since keystones are mostly offensive for vet. Dmg may not be that bad either, any of the Brato guns can deal high moderate damage on average. Unsure of the effectiveness, especially on higher difficulty where killing enemies usually saves you and the team than simply shouting for toughness

[austere mica]

They have a dueling sword

They’re fine

[stray knoll]

because of my all my sources of toughness I do sort of need the two regen speed because otherwise alot of my potential toughness is wasted and also I rarely if ever take any health damage because of how high my tougness is i personally prefer toughness over hp

[tough tiger]

Ppl can play vet without using a stamina curio?

[ocean rock]

Agreed lol

[hollow ibex]

yeah up to you, but i think it's super overkill even with the toughness stacking because of VOC

and not taking hp is going to make you vulnerable to bursters and snipers

[hollow ibex]

it's unnecessary unless you're running deadshit memes

[stray knoll]

charismatic also helps with close order drill I have a potential 156% toughness damage reduction

[hollow ibex]

in contrast i feel like running psyker without some additional source of stamina is really sketchy lol

[stray knoll]

and I don't need to be right up my team to get it

[crisp oak]

Yup lol forgot about veterans best form of dps i crease, focus target

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'm just telling you what the metaslave options are

[ocean rock]

One stamina curio is fine for vet I think. More than that and it gets redundant quick

[hollow ibex]

if it works for you, go for it 👍

[stray knoll]

i actually don't remember the last time I got hit by a burster lol

[serene bough]

1 Stam curio is ok

[hollow ibex]

lucky you, you must have great teammates

[serene bough]

Hp curio unnecessary

[stray knoll]

well thanks for your feedback I appreciate it

[hollow ibex]

even when i'm playing premades, i have "friends" pushing bursters into me

[serene bough]

Toughness all three or 2 toughness 1 stam

[hollow ibex]

looks like a fun build

[stray knoll]

i'm just trying to find a build that lets me survive no matter what i run into

[hollow ibex]

metaslaving is boring anyway

[serene bough]

Toughness will help survival for sure

[stray knoll]

and the director has really been trying to kill me in havoc recently haha

[serene bough]

Perk on curio I go with stam regen, sprint efficiency, block efficiency, extra toughness

[tall torrent]

2x health 1x toughness

[ocean rock]

Here's my vet build if you are curious. Broke 1 mil dmg in 32 mins but definitely not beginner friendly. Thoughts welcome: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d965ddd-7e51-4847-ac66-251cbce0779a/counter-strike-wannabe

[rustic kite]

;,;

[wise fossil]

What changed about Longshot?

[tall torrent]

Close range got changed

From 8m to 12.5m

So Longshot activates further away

[stray knoll]

I did have stam regen on one of mine I just put it as all three having toughness regen because now when I'm dealing with a big amount of damage if I get alot of kills I still stay in the fight

[rustic kite]

What is a fast mission i can do for overwatch penance

[wise fossil]

Ah I remember that. I didn't realize long shot worked on the same mechanic

[tall torrent]

Rolling steel

[crisp oak]

is overwatch the one where you don't get hit?

[stray knoll]

still after the feedback i'm going to make some changes to the build going to test out today

[crisp oak]

if so can you no longer cheese it by kermitting suicide at the start of the mission

[rustic kite]

Melee hits yea

Its blocking my other penance i want

[stray knoll]

keep the duty shields up constantly and you should be fine

you could allways 4 stack vets and have 200+ toughness constantly

tho thats just fun face tanking everthing

[wise fossil]

Is there a mod that gives accurate talent descriptions in game?

[stray knoll]

righto well thanks for all the ideas i'm going to try testing the build without ET and longshot and mess around with my curios more

[hollow ibex]

this is the problem with min maxing for toughness and ignoring HP

unless you're running a premade and always have golden toughness

[silent verge]

Guys look i got long bomb and im happy all i need now is be methodical for the kriegs helmet

can someone tell me what is volley fire and where is it

[tall torrent]

Left ability

[silent verge]

Executioners stance?

And what do you guys recommend to keep it going for 20 seconds

[tall torrent]

Take counterfire

[stray knoll]

yeah i'll def try with a hp curio

[plush oracle]

Ah I hope next update will include new veteran weapons such as melta, long las

[elder fiber]

Power shovel

[silent verge]

thanks

[plush oracle]

I wish power fist

[unique crane]

Did movement get changed?

Cause my vet feels waaaaay more sluggish now

[stray knoll]

I def want a few more lasgun varients I read an idea someone had for veteran which allowed them to add attachments and make minor modifications to the weapons

and i thought that would be kinda cool

[plush oracle]

Well I don't think fatshark will add weapon customization sah

[stray knoll]

yeah so sad

I want the infantry lasgun optic on my autoguns

[plush oracle]

Yea like hotshot lasgun

[crisp oak]

i want hellguns

and meltas

[stray knoll]

well i mean some long-las in general would be awesome

[stray knoll]

something with high pen able to cut through hit mass like butter

[plush oracle]

Indeed long las will be powerful

[fossil basalt]

coughitshould'vebeenhelborescough

[stray knoll]

yeah though I'll be honest I love the helbore just for the bayonet there is just something about spamming melee and just mincing the enemies

it's so much fun horde clearing with the bayonet then one tap sniping a special without a change in DPS

also just one simple click is and proper aim is enough to kill most elites and specials

[ionic bear]

dw vets next update we will get this gun trust

[clever hedge]

That new mission goes fucking hard

[gilded wraith]

Did your fov setting get changed again?

[cyan verge]

every day I think about opportunity cost in weapon selection and cry

[clever tundra]

Fellow vets, do yall agree with me target priority tierlist

I been seeing too many veterans being too distracted by whatever in front of them, or simply ignoring those targets

[pallid jetty]

id put shooters above ogryns

[hasty grove]

I prioritize gunmen, snipers, and flamers

[ivory cradle]

is there any major difference in the way braced auto gun and infantry auto gun play?

[atomic zephyr]

inf autogun is ye olde assault rifle, call of duty style
brauto is all hipfire blasting

[ivory cradle]

tyty

[dusky galleon]

how much % are curios triple ability cdr? I heard its not 12

and stamina regen?

[austere mica]

It is 12%

Which equates to

3.6

seconds

[dusky galleon]

damn then the best pick its stamina regen?

[austere mica]

I run base toughness gunner dr stam regen

[stray knoll]

yeah I felt that too

[stray knoll]

range honestly with a braced it is so much harder to get those snipers

[hasty grove]

Is it possible to make the Catachan Knife work?

[stray knoll]

it does work honestly

the parry is insane

[hasty grove]

I rlly like it on my Kasrkin loadout but I can’t seem to figure out how to use it properly

[stray knoll]

ohhh i thought you meant devils claw because it's a catachan weapon lol

[austere mica]

It requires some investment but mostly melee knowledge

Try it later

[hasty grove]

I managed to throw down with Rinda Karnak w it and win tho

[stray knoll]

it's def good honestly i'd say it's the best overall

[austere mica]

I still suggest you wait a bit to use it

[stray knoll]

but I like to murder crushers with the duel

[austere mica]

It can develop some nasty habits and works better if you know the melee system well

[hasty grove]

Most of my melee experience so far is just UNGA BUNGA’ing with my chainsword

[austere mica]

Yeah you might want to try some other stuff

Try a shock maul or a devils claw 4

[stray knoll]

careful dodges and heavy attacks are the main draw

[austere mica]

Fun weapons

[hasty grove]

I just use what I think is cool

And I try to keep my loadouts thematically consistent lol

[stray knoll]

heavy sword is a good alternative aswell

[hasty grove]

I used it a little bit iirc

[stray knoll]

it's fun because it one shots pretty much everything so I use it to delete maniacs and ragers

i've sat on a bridge heavy spamming against an entire horde of mutants

[austere mica]

Tip for heavy sword, don't use the light attacks

ever

[stray knoll]

unless horde but even then heavy is best

[hasty grove]

My fav melee has gotta be the chainsword

[stray knoll]

it's called a heavy sword for a reason lol

[hasty grove]

It absolutely shreds heavier enemies and bosses if I can land the special

[stray knoll]

chainsword is great but I find it does limit movement and swaps your dodge priority because you want to hit that saw attack

[hasty grove]

Also, it’s a chainsword, easily the most badass melee in the entire game

[cyan verge]

I use the duelling sword because it's fast and does a lot of damage to anything you poke it at

and you can go pretty fast with it by slide + stabbing

[hasty grove]

For the sake of sparking discussion heres all three of my loadouts

The Guardswoman, The Krieg, and The Kasrkin

[stray knoll]

same heavy attack with duel on heads with 3-2 shots all carapace and flak enemies which saves on krak

looks good proper fashion tide here

gotta go for a catachan next though lol

lil orgyns from space australia

[hasty grove]

I’m very much a fashion over function kinda gal in any game I play lmao

[cyan verge]

chainaxe is fun too but it is a real all or nothing weapon where it like obliterates specials, and then basically doesn't do hardly anything of any value against hordes and slows you down and yeah

[stray knoll]

yeah fair enough it's fun forsure also saves you from the metaslave

[cyan verge]

I just accepted becoming metaslave cuz I'd rather die than drag my team down in a game like this

[stray knoll]

hahaha well sometimes even if you are using the best meta build the director still wants to mess you up

[cyan verge]

yeah

[hasty grove]

I don’t need alotta horde control

[stray knoll]

and also there is a difference between team meta and personal meta

[hasty grove]

If I get overwhelmed I can use Voice of Command

[cyan verge]

the difference is though that with like plasma + DS or something you can basically take care of any problem the director throws at you at any range and armor type

but if I took like

combat shotgun + chainaxe

I'd be like uh oh if the game decided to spawn even 4 snipers

[stray knoll]

plus the meta changes depending on teammates some players can dominate only when they have back up which is what i normally do i'm just keeping my team alive

see there are alot of damage focus builds out there so i play support focus and keep myself and everyone else alive

[cyan verge]

yeah I used to play warframe with a friend who would do nothing but play all the support frames and I'd do nothing but play the big DPS frames (mesa, valkyr, gauss)

so I like playing vet as 'the guy who destroys all specials on the map'

[stray knoll]

delete the specials and make use of born leader

[hasty grove]

My personal meta is thinking conforming to meta is cringe

[stray knoll]

hahaha

[hasty grove]

I say, use whatever you like based off vibes and learn to make it work

More fun that way

[cyan verge]

I just need like 1 zealot to do nothing but melee the horde approaching me so I can keep the specials from doing anything to him ever

[stray knoll]

i'm that fcker who runs around with the most weird but works builds

[hasty grove]

LITERALLY ME

I HAVE A MELEE FOCUSED VETERAN

https://tenor.com/view/stutters-i-know-that-sounds-bad-ego-guardians-of-the-galaxy-kurt-russell-gif-15922456

[cyan verge]

that's basically meta

because the duelling sword exists

[hasty grove]

My main loadout uses a knife

[stray knoll]

bruh I have you completely out weirded I use a tunnel vision deadshot build with all stam curios

[cyan verge]

the combat knife is god tier

[stray knoll]

everything dies

[hasty grove]

Now this, this is a knife

[cyan verge]

lol

using deadshot at all is rare

[hasty grove]

I use Voice of Command

[stray knoll]

yep also using it on an auto gun

byee stamina

[cyan verge]

IAG is godly though

it'd be worse if you ran it on recon

[hasty grove]

Me and my squad play very aggressively and they appointed me squad leader so I have a build that allows me to lead from the front while also being a good support fighter

[stray knoll]

yeah I considered it but recon just doesn't have the damage I want

[hasty grove]

Alot of melee and coherency buffs for my team, + buffed voice of command and them getting a fraction of any toughness I regen

[stray knoll]

I tried to make it work

[cyan verge]

and it probably wouldn't scale quite as well, uh, I assume

boltgun or plasma would be good cuz of the high damage low shot count since it's stamina cost per shot fired right

[stray knoll]

voice of command is the best ability don't @ me

[cyan verge]

I guess it probably still wouldn't necessarily help you hit certain breakpoints though so I dunno

[hasty grove]

I use it cus I wanted the penance armor and the voicelines r cool

[stray knoll]

yeah but you use high firerate to take advantage of the marksmans focus

[cyan verge]

I mean that's a cold take, voice of command is one of the best abilities in the game

people were complaining that VoC wasn't outright nerfed this patch

in this channel

earlier

[stray knoll]

bruh

[hasty grove]

Y tho? Its fun

[cyan verge]

because gold toughness is just so strong

like absurdly, it lets you get away with a lot for free

and you can loop it more easily the harder the difficulty is

by killing specials

which you are equipped to do anyway

because you took the talent that lets you do that

[hasty grove]

Nothing like my Cadian screaming “I WANNA HEAR THEM SCREAM 👹” with such conviction it knocks all the enemies over and buffs my team

[stray knoll]

also deadshot's weapon accuracy boost means that burst firing with high firerate weapons are basically delete buttons

[tall torrent]

Deadshot is not worth using besides maybe 2 weapons

[hollow ibex]

Deadshit

[steady wolf]

facts

[hasty grove]

Whsts it do?

[tall torrent]

Drain stamina for crit chance

[hasty grove]

That sounds baller asf tho

[stray knoll]

hahaha I know it's not great so I made a build that made it good so it's fun not meta and I haven't ran into any issues

[tall torrent]

It’s ok for DB shotgun & fanfire revolver

But anything else it’s kind of just not worth

Too much investment (because you’re going to need stamina recovery talents)

[stray knoll]

bruh I use it on the autoguns just to melt everything

[steady wolf]

guys... we didn't get power fist so I think I gotta desert to psyker for the funny sword

[hasty grove]

I kinda wanna try deadshot out

[stray knoll]

I never said deadshot is good or meta just that I enjoy playing fun but dumb buils

[hasty grove]

I didn’t know what it did, but this seems awesome!

[stray knoll]

like I made the deadshot build as basically what is the least used but still viable build

[steady wolf]

I wish dbarrel was better (so it was more fun and less dumb)

[stray knoll]

I even stack rending so i get that true damage against everything

[hasty grove]

Deadshot with my plasma gun sounds rlly cool

Getting a crit + that things insane damage and all the crit bonus buffs I have would atomize almost any enemy

[hollow ibex]

it is pretty fun

not too bad

[faint beacon]

Look I cant blame you

[junior needle]

Doesn't work iirc

[faint beacon]

I might be maining Psyker for a bit

till Veteran gets- fucking anything

[junior needle]

Unless that's been fixed, just doesn't give you bonus crit

[faint beacon]

F.GS kinda just goes stupid

[steady wolf]

Yep, unfortunately

vet needs power fist !! 😭

hoping it either does nuke damage or knocks people around like shovel

[faint beacon]

Warp Rider + Unstable Power on F.GS with like

SG running Warp Speed

so fucking stupid

literally running ahead of everyone and cleaning hordes in seconds

[leaden skiff]

Have we figured out an alternate meta to Vraks mkV and nades yet?

[steady wolf]

with just the warp slice or does the weapon clear hordes normally too?

just by swinging

probably using wrath blessing i assume

[severe finch]

what pattern of the IAG is best is it the columnus?

[magic flume]

I need a good skill tree build for a ranged Veteran, pref Bolter. The Guide that's pinned and was suggested to me doesn't seem to have one and there's so many skill tree things to choose from..

[thin stone]

@tall torrent

what's a good build for zealot

in Havoc 20+

You are my favorite guide

Also I am not bri'ish (iykyk)

[austere mica]

Ask the zealots

They have actual experience in the havoc bullshittery on zealot

One of the testers is even in right now

[tall torrent]

Chorus + build according to the modifier

[halcyon elk]

What’s a good pretty all round veteran weapon. Most of my talents have been put into grenades toughness

[tropic notch]

Anyway to fix error code 9999?

[halcyon elk]

Restarting my game seemed to work

[tropic notch]

Rarshd, knife, mk 4 dueling sword

[austere mica]

Smaul

[tropic notch]

I’ve tried that it’s only with havoc

[halcyon elk]

Probably should have specified. I’m looking for a ranged weapon. I’m using the shovel rn and it feels fine

[severe finch]

Hellbore mk2 for a dmr CIAG (infantry autogun - columnus variant) plasma rifle and double barrel are all fairly viable depending on play style

[neon jungle]

AAAHAHAHA HAA hah…
melee psyker has been stupid fun with this new sword.
mind it’s my main but I do play all classes.

i just hope we get a volley gun or something else cool for veteran.
powerfist too, ngl

[severe finch]

id honestly wish we could finally get a belt feed mg style weapon

[oblique totem]

A lotta pain in that laugh

[severe finch]

would love to finally have a larger mag gun that aint the recon

[neon jungle]

Stubber like the dreg gunners, yeah

[severe finch]

yeah like the one you can see in the traits screen

[oblique totem]

More dakka

[neon jungle]

also: hotshot volley gun

[dim goblet]

Sometimes all you need is a little more dakka

[neon jungle]

Pleaaase bigfish.
gib the volley gun

for maximum Kasrkin

[oblique totem]

Veteran really got nothing this update, huh?

[severe finch]

god id kill for the Type XIV (Heavy) Lasgun

[dim goblet]

Im still holding out Hope we can get a combi weapon for vet like saltz rapier in the melee slot

[neon jungle]

Veteran gets new toys Soon™️

[oblique totem]

I want a heavy stubber

Or a lascannon

[severe finch]

god im less then 800 kills from the 100000 kills penance

[neon jungle]

like supposedly Veteran is gonna get the long las eventually

[oblique totem]

"Eventually"

[severe finch]

doubt a normal trooper could lug that around maybe a Long Las like the sniper has though

[dim goblet]

Next week :TM:

[oblique totem]

A lascannon can be man-portable.

[austere mica]

Lascannon is an emplacement weapon for the guard

[neon jungle]

I just hope the long las is as beefy as the 6th scab Sniper’s

[oblique totem]

See above

[severe finch]

its normally a crew served weapon in the guard

[austere mica]

Yes, as a wheeled weapon with a crew

[dim goblet]

Watch how its gonna be able to only hit one target with no pierce

[neon jungle]

Man portable lascannon requires power armor to use in lore. It’s big

[oblique totem]

No I mean carried on the shoulder by a single person. Downside is less ammo

[dim goblet]

And possible back issues later on

[severe finch]

except the junker ones made in necromunda haha

[austere mica]

That’s a thing marines do, Devastators specifically

Guard don’t get the power armor for that shit

[oblique totem]

Then I suppose Only War isn't canon because that is absolutely an option

[severe finch]

in lore ive never seen a "normal" human use it as anything other then a crew served without power armor

[neon jungle]

It’s an option in Only War yeah

[austere mica]

Oh it is

[neon jungle]

it’s basically just a Las Fusil sized lascannon

[austere mica]

I don’t know a ton about the ancient FFG rpg stuff

[neon jungle]

I do.. play it still

[austere mica]

I work in second hand for this stuff and have never seen a core for it

[oblique totem]

Then that.

[dim goblet]

As someone who is trying to host a rogue trader one shot

Send help

[oblique totem]

Hey me too. My condolences

[neon jungle]

Inquisitor Snow is my main Dark Heresy character

[severe finch]

so quick question while everyone is active in here again the IAG whats the best pattern and blessings?

[neon jungle]

dunno much on the autoguns

as I am more a lasgun/plasma duder

[severe finch]

i think it use to be the columnus but aint used it in forever

[oblique totem]

Agrippina

[neon jungle]

and occasionally bolter

[oblique totem]

Some would argue the Culumnus, and they aren't wrong, it's basically down to personal preference

[dim goblet]

Infantry autoguns? Dumdum was a decent pick and another one im forgetting, as for pattern as stated above agri is prolly the pick

[oblique totem]

Throw in uhhh
Dumdum and rampage

[severe finch]

only issue with agri is how often i have to reload so fair haha

[oblique totem]

Bonus against flak armor

[neon jungle]

though the autogun I do bank on is the semi auto vigilant one

[dim goblet]

Idk, i mostly work with recon las, i need my firerate

[austere mica]

Vraks has been the best for a long ass time

[neon jungle]

single fire

[oblique totem]

I use Braced autoguns.

So my info is a bit off but it should be mostly accurate

[neon jungle]

which… I funnily modded into an Exitus rifle in the weapon customization mod for funsies

[dim goblet]

I would use braced autoguns more, but then nobody else will take care of the far away heavy gunner

[severe finch]

this

[oblique totem]

Exec stance should compensate

[severe finch]

i like having ROF when i need but accuracy when its required

wait

[dim goblet]

And leave out my option to scream at people? That's a heavy sacrifice

[austere mica]

Grab a fast melee and smokes

[neon jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316421707889901570/1307863027579879475/image.png?ex=6750f1dc&is=674fa05c&hm=ef33f08893d80138547f6ce9ca882af88a8519472e8aeea0573e0a737d081d4e&

[austere mica]

Reach out and get them yourself

[severe finch]

the IAG dont get rampage unless i missed it

[oblique totem]

Granted accuracy is the weakness of the braced autoguns

[oblique totem]

I know, I know

[restive pawn]

Can anyone give me tips for the "on overwatch" penance, been trying to get that for some time?

[dim goblet]

Someone remind me which one that was

[severe finch]

maybe speedloader or deathspitter

[neon jungle]

Double barrel shotgun, or plasma rifle, or revolver.

just never get more ammo and dont miss

[oblique totem]

I used the regular shotgun

[neon jungle]

You can afford to miss five times with the plasma rifle

[pure kindle]

Shotguns count if any pellet lands.

Grab the double barrel, its almost physically impossible to win.

Toss it on center-or-right Skill veteran, who have strong melee and nades. Got it on my second try.

[restive pawn]

That's the "make every shot count", I'm talking about the other one where you not to take any Melee damage

[neon jungle]

oh my bad

I did that with a lasgun

[dim goblet]

Oh that's what it was

[inland orchid]

Thankfully only gotta worry bout hp dmg for that penance, toughness is fine

[oblique totem]

Given how the plasma gun works, missing five times itself should be considered a penance.

[neon jungle]

and four YELLING guardsmen

[dim goblet]

Fuck i think i got it by accident tbh

[inland orchid]

So u got at least 1 freebie safety net

[oblique totem]

Also shotgun

[dim goblet]

You just need a party that gives alot of golden toughness

[severe finch]

also thanks all for the help

[neon jungle]

we literally could not go down, on damnation, we chained yells to always have super toughness

[oblique totem]

And the all veteran party screaming heretics into submission

[restive pawn]

I already have the other one (got to admit the double barrel is fun to use though it wasn't all that bad)

[dim goblet]

Especially with how the enemies just show up through the karking walls :)))

[restive pawn]

Okay, double barrel here I come

[dim goblet]

What a way to reset auric storm survivor

[pure kindle]

Ah, yeah.

Dumb luck and dodging a lot. I got it with the Center-tree which lets you push people away in a panic. Grab weapons with a lot of of stagger like the Autopistol and hug the nearest Ogryn/Smite Psyker. Pray.

I got it without trying for it while getting progressively anxious throughout the round.

[oblique totem]

(Don't tell the other class mains, they're salty enough that we got the dueling sword)

[dim goblet]

I mean zealot got it too

[neon jungle]

like I wasn’t even trying to get On Overwatch that time, we just went in with a yelling party with just lasguns chainswords and shovels

[oblique totem]

Yeah but 4 VoC veterans is completely busted

[neon jungle]

it WORKED

[dim goblet]

Yeah but shh

[oblique totem]

Thus my warning. They're mad enough about the sword

[neon jungle]

Four VoC veterans are a force to be reckoned with

[oblique totem]

Once they figure out veteran is the best in both ranged damage and toughness, we'll never get anything new

[dim goblet]

Although it feels kinda wack that the scream is our strongest ability

[neon jungle]

Commissar scream good

remids me of the YELLING WARRIOR from guild wars 2

[dim goblet]

Coping for a sienna's skeletons type deal for our vet

[oblique totem]

I would go with Exec stance but VoC is just so good

[neon jungle]

Shouts were so good

[oblique totem]

You're not only gimping yourself but also your team by picking any other option

[dim goblet]

Real

[neon jungle]

“ON YOUR FEET, RIGHT KARKING NOW.”

[dim goblet]

Also do you fellas bring the revive ability or do yall prefer to spam?

[oblique totem]

Infiltration is good too, of course, but has far more specific use cases

[neon jungle]

the spam

[oblique totem]

Spam.

No need to revive if everyone is already immortal

[neon jungle]

Fastest yell. Always have the ubertoughness when you need it

also what with scab ragers being carapace now

[somber axle]

There are some builds where Exe Stance provides so much value for your weapon on breakpoints that it is worth taking (Boltgun as an example) but yeah for most Vet guns it's unnecessary and VoC is overwhelmingly better

[neon jungle]

… yeah survivability is more

[oblique totem]

Clown science makes every option viable

[somber axle]

Then there's Infiltrate if you wanted to go melee build but wanted to save points on the way down (or for penance cheese)

[neon jungle]

“Who would win, a whole army of spiky heretics and daemons?”

“Or four shouty guardsmen?”

[oblique totem]

To be clear, I have nothing at all against the other options, it's just that VoC brings so much utility with almost no skill requirements

[somber axle]

Four VoC Vets yelling a Chaos Spawn off a ledge

[neon jungle]

“I’m betting on the loud boys.”

[oblique totem]

Funny that shouty bois is what Ogryns call Zealots.

But they're wrong

It's vets

[somber axle]

Zealot should have the shout tbh LOL

[oblique totem]

Oh absolutely

[somber axle]

VoC on Vet was a mistake

[dim goblet]

Real

[oblique totem]

But shhhh

[somber axle]

Replace Chorus with VoC on Zealot

Give Vet something else that isn't just "pick this 99% of the time unless you're goofing"

[oblique totem]

Give vet an infinite ammo ability instead

[grand perch]

Being a shouty man is a proven tactic in 40k
Dawn of war Intro flaschback

[inland orchid]

How else was John darktide gonna be kruber

[neon jungle]

VoC is more a commissar thing

but yeah

[dim goblet]

Give me my goons

I require henchmen

[oblique totem]

Oh man, an ability to have ai companions

[dim goblet]

I wanna set up a damn firing line

[oblique totem]

Yes please

[neon jungle]

“Wolfer why have you failed this time.”

“Four Very Loud Cadians.”

[oblique totem]

WALL OF GUNS

[somber axle]

Thematically yeah but you could just flavour VoC for Zealot. I more so mean mechanically because Chorus as Zealot support shutting them out of attacking during the channel is awkward for a class that wants to be moving fast in melee

[oblique totem]

It's like that ww2 game where you can swap between ai squadmates

But with guardsmen

[somber axle]

Tbh idk what they could even replace VoC with on Vet either

[oblique totem]

An ammo resupply ability

[somber axle]

Maybe middle tree could've been more focused on automatic guns since left tree seems flavored toward semi-auto guns

[umbral parrot]

Phew HAVOC is fun AF

[somber axle]

And left tree is melee

[umbral parrot]

What rank is everyone in?

[oblique totem]

Or like, explosive ammo for automatic weapons

Actually a skill tree around ammo types wouldn't be too bad

[neon jungle]

Haven’t started havoc yet

[somber axle]

Explosives Vet sounds fun

[neon jungle]

gonna do psyker cuz she my main

[oblique totem]

booo

[somber axle]

Also I want to start Havoc but I am eternally dragged away against my will by work

BUT TONIGHT

[oblique totem]

I'm kidding, don't explode into a daemon

[somber axle]

I will play after work maybe

[oblique totem]

I still gotta beat the requirements to get in havoc

Apparently surviving Cadia and single-handedly killing thousands of traitor guardsmen isn't enough to be a real soldier.

[somber axle]

I want the helmet/blue mask for 5500 penance points too to complete the VIth penance set finally

[umbral parrot]

Mobian 52d have such high standards.

[somber axle]

Just until the Havoc penances are done for the black set

I need it

[oblique totem]

The black set looks sick

Drip for the true warriors

[neon jungle]

only thing I’m missing now is a force hammer.

[oblique totem]

Psykers got a 2 handed force sword, yeah?

[inland orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[neon jungle]

Yeah, which is what my psyker inquisitor uses in dark heresy.
but she also uses a force hammer

[somber axle]

It's unfortunate that the set's first appearance is some random 53rd goon in a trailer who sneaks off with his iPad during a fight and gets shot eavesdropping on Rinda yelling to Wolfer that he sucks but still

[oblique totem]

That trailer was funnier than it should have been

[somber axle]

His awkward crouch walk the whole way LMFAO

[umbral parrot]

:3

This is fun.

[somber axle]

Dude had a bad bit of corpse starch rations and needed every ounce of willpower dedicated to finding a bathroom

[umbral parrot]

Good night everyone!

[oblique totem]

Oh ok so just no guns only melee. I respect it

[neon jungle]

Had to work so i’m not doin havic

[neon jungle]

She has a bolt pistol too.
but yeah she is mainly melee

and smite, and cleansing flames.

pocket grey knight lolol

[oblique totem]

Three main weapons?
Well that's not so bad. I had a Dark Heresy character that carried around an arsenal

[neon jungle]

The hammer is a badge of office (Ordo Malleus). Really nice on its own tho.
The force sword is her main weapon, and she can offhand the bolt pistol.

[oblique totem]

Heavy stubber, two meltapistols a plasma gun, a 2 handed chainsword, two force swords, a modified autocannon

There was a flame weapon in there somewhere but I don't remember the specifics

[neon jungle]

(Incinerator was another ranged weapon she used for a bit)

[oblique totem]

Hah.

[neon jungle]

like I said.
pocket GK

[stoic thorn]

How do yall acquire the havoc cosmetics or smth

Haven't hopped on to see yet

[neon jungle]

Havoc penances

[stoic thorn]

How much do I gotta do for the drip

[inland orchid]

A lot

[oblique totem]

Which are like regular penances. Except not

[stoic thorn]

How long for the chest cosmetic specifically

[inland orchid]

Depends how nice your havoc squads are

[stoic thorn]

Pluh

[oblique totem]

OOF

[neon jungle]

might be best to run with friens

[oblique totem]

Solo options when?

[stoic thorn]

How many havoc missions do I have to do for the chest piece

[neon jungle]

rather than PUG

[stoic thorn]

Like until what level

[somber axle]

Surprisingly not that bad considering the Steam Guide said 1-10 is equivalent to Malice difficulty, 11-20 is equivalent to Heresy and 21-30 is equivalent to Damnation

Though this was also the leak I saw pre-update and I haven't had the chance to check in game to verify it so I'd recommend double checking to be sure

The helmet is probably going to be the hard one to get (if it counts each individual player and doesn't do repeats)

[stoic thorn]

Doesn't look too bad

[somber axle]

Yeah it's way more lax than they could have been with it

No need to do a rank 40 clear for the armour

[stoic thorn]

Drippy

Wait which penance is the black respirator helm

Brb

[narrow bay]

Revives or Rescues in Havoc Mode

[stoic thorn]

For the Emperor (3)

[fast wind]

Power Sword - dump Finesse, Cleave Targets, or Cleave Damage?

er not Finesse

[hollow ibex]

cleave targets

[fast wind]

Mobility, Cleave Targets, or Cleave Damage

[hollow ibex]

pretty much never dump the other two

mobility or cleave targets are acceptable dumps, but people typically dump cleave targets

[fast wind]

because being empowered bumps your cleave targets up to the stratosphere anyways, i presume?

[hollow ibex]

yeah it just doesn't really matter

[open urchin]

What exactly is "finesse" damage?

[fast wind]

Finesse damage iirc is basically a headshot boost

you want it on anything that can get it

Helbore lasgun - dump ammo? Stability?

[hollow ibex]

damage bonus from crits, weakspot hits, and crit weakspot hits basically

[open urchin]

I have it on the combat knife

[hollow ibex]

specifically to the bonus damage from those

you never dump it

unless you like to suffer

[mossy dust]

Whats the chainaxe dumpstat?

[nocturne mulch]

Oh that explains why my first try at havoc (13) was boringly easy.

[grand perch]

what i dont understand is, if you help someone with their havoc assignment, you only get a clearance level but not your own assignment level? why?

why would you ever help someone do theirs and not do your own?

[somber axle]

I think they intentionally made the early ranks like that just to make them more accessible. If rank 1 was like Damnation and it only climbed from there you'd scare off a lot of the playerbase. But your average player hearing that rank 1-10 is like Malice is probably going to give it a try

[somber axle]

Afaik your rank does change with the highest rank assignment cleared at the end of the week when rewards are given

But also the helmet is directly tied to a penance for helping others complete their assignments

[grand perch]

oh ok

thats cool then

[forest breach]

Only really use it with bolter. Press ult, unlosd and back to melee ot is

It is so satisfying to remove a patrol like that

[oblique totem]

You're not wrong there.

[forest breach]

Might make a lucius build with it too

[open urchin]

NGL

I'm super proud of this

[dry cloak]

congrats

[open urchin]

Thank you! It's really fun to play with the combat knife

[dry cloak]

i did it with psword and infiltrate

and try every weapon

[hidden torrent]

At first I thought Havoc was going to be easy and boring, admittedly, it took too about havoc level 30 but it's definitely getting tougher

[quartz adder]

Weaves.

Easy in the beginning

Bullshit in the end

[hidden torrent]

I can't say i ever played too much of weaves

Was boring lmao

[quartz adder]

Honestly not bad, just progression sucks

Ranked weaves

Quickplay weaves are for essence and nothing else

[hidden torrent]

I forget the other thing they added, I played it a lot, I can't remember the name for the life of me

Voyages that it had

[quartz adder]

Chaos Wastes

[hidden torrent]

To the citadel of eternity