veteran-class

[placid portal]

I don't remember plasma

[slow spade]

135/135 at 80%

so only 90 shots

[crude wind]

the joy of this game, imo at least, is playing everything and trying out new playstyles

[crisp ferry]

cries in 200 dinamanite

[placid portal]

I would say Sly Marbo loadout was some experience

[slow spade]

bolter is better than plasma for ammo

[placid portal]

Doesn't Plasma have easy bps?

[cyan verge]

well, you say that but again boltgun does less damage so idk the breakpoints but it does mean you gotta fire more shots to kill the same enemies, if it's like 2-shots for any enemy the plasma 1-shots, then it's worse for ammo

[slow spade]

not arguing damage

but ammo is 100% better on bolter

as damage depends more on build

discord pls...

[cyan verge]

well if you mean by the number literally being higher, then yes, but...

[slow spade]

bolter hits the same bps as plasma

its not really a secret bolter is as good or better than plasma now

[tiny summit]

Lol. Lmao.

At least the head is flak

[slow spade]

as a kickback ogryn, this sucks :c

[woven oak]

Is this a buff or nerf to gunners? If I am reading it correctly, it means they do full damage at longer ranges?

Gunners

Increased damage falloff:
    Dreg Gunner increased from 15m to 30m.
    Scab Gunner increased from 15 to 35m.
        Lowered reduction from 0.6 to 0.5.**
    Ogryn Reaper increased from 15 to 25.
        Lowered reduction from 0.6 to 0.2.**

[grand perch]

i believe thats what that says yeah

damage will fall of slower and to a longer max range

[woven oak]

Bleh.

[crisp oak]

Scab gunners will be murdering you from 100s of yards away

[slow spade]

gunners needed a buff

[scenic oracle]

True

Make me die faster

[crisp oak]

Give dreg gunners carapace

[pliant prawn]

krieg vet buyers

[slow spade]

krieg vet + helbore/shovel + lvl 30+0 player

[tiny summit]

Yea...30m is like...what dropoff? The gunner thats shooting at me as we are leaving on the elevator?

[crisp ferry]

gunners should be able to slide cancel

[tiny summit]

Guess they want to keep the dmg since now they dropped the hitstun

[crisp oak]

Helbore, shovel, kraks, no survivalist, level 30

[hollow ibex]

the gunner patchnotes point is weird because it says increase damage dropoff

but the details of the changes is totally unclear lol

[mossy oasis]

is that a stereotype or what?

[crisp oak]

Yes

[mossy oasis]

I dont see an issue with that honestly... i mean not bringing survivalist is a dumb choice but

[crisp oak]

Yeah the issue is they also dont know how to use the helbore

[mossy oasis]

kraks, good, shovel, versatile, helbore, massive dablage. Its totally good for damnation

[mossy oasis]

a i see

[slow spade]

its the average krieg rp complete with krieg levels of attrition

[crisp oak]

Yeah like Ill run it (probably with shredders and not default shovel)

[mossy oasis]

you mean like, they cant hit shots or like, misuse the charge or what

[crisp oak]

Both

[mossy oasis]

isnt the default sapper shovel better though

[crisp oak]

Defensively yes

[mossy oasis]

you already oneshot specials with a hellbore, the sapper shovel has the special attack

that uh, stuns

can stun mutants, and... mmm anything, i think?

[crisp oak]

Thing is weakness of the helbore (for me) is maulers and crushers

Standard shovel also struggles with those 2

With the special shovel you can oneshot maulers/crushers in order to take frags

And not lose too much on the horde clear

[mossy oasis]

thats also pretty much the only thing you use the kraks for

two maulers and a couple ragers show up, you throw a krak

[crisp oak]

Yeah, hence beinging a melee to deal with them

[mossy oasis]

everything else you shoot in le head

[crisp oak]

Means you can go frags

[mossy oasis]

when horde shovel

when, uh, anything else that you dont shoot you just bayonet

[crisp oak]

The folding shovels dont have that bad horde clear, the issue with it is really just rager packs

For which you got the bayonet

Mind you, heresy and below you can survive with kraks only for anti-armor, but yamnation makes it no longer viable (with the crusher pack spam)

[mossy oasis]

Why does the default sapper have bad hoardclear?

I didnt notice it in the moveset, for me it does fine on heresy

[crisp oak]

It doesnt

The issue is crushers/maulers

What Im saying is swapping to the folding shovels has basically as good horde clear

But have a special attack to kill what the helbore struggles with

[hollow ibex]

the hode clear isn't particularly good on mk1 shovel

[crisp oak]

Its fine, and you have 6 dodges

[hollow ibex]

it's mid

[crisp oak]

With it

And obnoxious stagger on the poke

[grand perch]

you shouldnt have too much trouble with helbores vs carapace. whats your build?

[tall torrent]

5

[fading yarrow]

Holy Mother of God

So many easy penances

So many lacks of pluralization

[candid agate]

we have new tiers from hestia?

cool

[pallid ermine]

still angry with her for making me do that one grenade penance

[candid agate]

theres a lot of grenade penances, anything specific?

[cyan verge]

yeah that drove me nuts too

I was like really? you couldn't fucking copy & paste an 's' in there too?

[pallid ermine]

the one where you have to hit a bunch of enemies with a frag that doesn’t bounce once

heresy + too

it annoyed me

[cyan verge]

that one is really easy if you know the exact map you need to go to in order to get it

[pallid ermine]

especially since I’m a krak addict

[hard cave]

405 pennance points

[candid agate]

remember doing that back in the torrent assassination mission like 2 years ago

[pallid ermine]

all of the veteran penances tend to revolve around the typical veteran playstyle

[cyan verge]

oh my god

it's not even capitalised

[pallid ermine]

and since like trust level 20 I’ve just ran with a melee vet cos it’s more fun

[pallid ermine]

LOL

[candid agate]

wouldnt zealot be more fun if you dont wanna be ranged?

[cyan verge]

can they make me a playtester I'll find this an report it in 2 seconds

[pallid ermine]

I thought so too so I made a Zealot but it’s still in progress

[cyan verge]

zealot is abjectly miserable to level up to 30

once you are 30 then it's not bad

[pallid ermine]

plus my build is an invis/combat knife/bolt pistol

[candid agate]

and these penances were designed with only frag grenade and executioner stance in mind

[pallid ermine]

which I think is more fun as vet cos of the better invis

and the weapon swap perks and such

[candid agate]

vet does not have better invisibility

[pallid ermine]

longer though

[candid agate]

as zealot you can 2 shot daemonhosts with invisibility

you just need skill and timing

[pallid ermine]

I was going to level my zealot anyways because of the power sword everyone and their mother is using now

I might make a second version of this build with the knockback skill instead of invis though

[pseudo fiber]

Vet has different Invisibility

[pallid ermine]

because the combat knife is fun

it’s my favorite melee weapon

[candid agate]

same

[cyan verge]

everyone likes combat knife

I figured out the slide tech with DS though so I am happy using it

[pallid ermine]

understandably so

[candid agate]

why use particle sweeping sword when small knife exists

[cyan verge]

well

because once you go up tiers in havoc

power sword is gonna be useful

[pallid ermine]

I didn’t have a particular interest in havoc until I saw the cosmetics

all in the name of fashion

But unlikely to get there any time soon

[cyan verge]

they are pretty sweet but yeah it's quite a grind

[pallid ermine]

I don’t want to be one of those people who are all queueing for baby’s first auric maelstrom

[cyan verge]

just do it

[pallid ermine]

Nah cos I did an auric damnation to see how I measured up in the higher tiers and it did not go well

I can do it if I tune my build more

but not as I am

[cyan verge]

what is your gun

[pallid ermine]

I’ve been playing this game for a bit but I took a break and only started actually thinking about endgame content recently

[cyan verge]

combat knife and bolt pistol right

that should be okay

[pallid ermine]

cos I didn’t realize how complicated the build system actually was

[pallid ermine]

Yeah it’s just stuff like my curios and perks

like I said with some tuning I can do it

[cyan verge]

well, yeah, then that's a bit harder

[pallid ermine]

I just keep running out of diamantine tbh

[cyan verge]

play with babies get some resources

event is on

[pallid ermine]

that has been what I’ve been doing

doing normal heresies mostly

[cyan verge]

oh heresy...

[pallid ermine]

and damnations as well

[cyan verge]

I do not like heresy

[pallid ermine]

what’s wrong with it

[cyan verge]

there are some baaaaaad players in heresy

[pallid ermine]

true

[cyan verge]

I get much more consistent wins with damnation

[pallid ermine]

but there are bad players everywhere

I play For Honor a lot so I’m kind of numb to brainlet teammates

besides I’d rather be the carrier than the bad player personally

[cyan verge]

oh defences is gonna be the godroll, but this will do for now I guess

lucky me

[pallid ermine]

vet is my only 30

I wanna use the new swords but I can’t

quite sad

gonna level my zealot I think

[somber onyx]

How did the dueling sword not get touched

Wtf

[pallid ermine]

lack of critical thinking skills on the dev team’s part methinks

[tiny summit]

The dueling sword stocks shall stay up

[pseudo fiber]

Actually I think it is this

[tiny summit]

Where's my force dueling sword fatshark?

Chain dueling sword

[pallid ermine]

LOL

[tiny summit]

Dueling plasma gun

Dueling bolter

[pallid ermine]

dueling twin stubber

shoots dueling swords

[rustic kite]

Haii baby cadian here, just got the game advice?

[pseudo fiber]

Dodge

Sruff

[tiny summit]

Ogryn rock should taunt enemies that live so they can duel you

[pseudo fiber]

And push

[rustic kite]

How can i get a helmet fast

[pseudo fiber]

Penance tab

[pallid ermine]

do penances or buy one from the commissary

you need money for that though and it’s not cheap for a first character

[pallid ermine]

no one lives from my rock

have they thought of throwing rocks at abbadon

[rustic kite]

Thx thx are there any full auto lasguns? How is the reco different from the infantry lasgun? I tried autogun it wasnt very fun...

[pallid ermine]

recon is full auto

it’s my favorite lasgun personally

cos you can make a mean crit build with it

but for now just play with what you like

there’s a lot in this game that you don’t have to realistically worry about until later

[rustic kite]

I like the base lasgun i feel kinda uncomfy without it

[pallid ermine]

fair

but it pays to experiment with different weapons

[rustic kite]

I suppose it could be the low recoil, decent sight and accuracy. Havent unlocked the recon on yet

[pallid ermine]

esp at low levels where you can just toss one on and try it out in a mission without being a drag

[rustic kite]

Ive been trying to get malice level missions done havent won a single one yet 😅

[cyan verge]

infantry autogun is good

recon lasgun is good

[teal canyon]

Havoc is dogshield

9999 errors all the way,and health stealing bots

[hardy ember]

So no new weapon for veteran with this update?

[teal canyon]

nope

[hardy ember]

Classic Fatshark

[regal belfry]

is itpossible to wield on all shovels

[cobalt crest]

How does the heavy attack on folding shovels work

Cause using the weapon customization mod I just flip it to the side

Oh

[regal belfry]

bad phrasing of me was to unclear

[cobalt crest]

I'm gonna assume no theb

And it only works for the mk1

But not 100% sure

[regal belfry]

uhm that could be an interesting hellbore

[tall torrent]

it changes iron sights

[cobalt crest]

Those are some nasty irons I'm ngl

[tall torrent]

Kinda better than base

I like it

Model also looks super cool

[grand perch]

i used them with extended customisation, thought them quite neat

[cobalt crest]

Why didn't we get customization anyways? I heard rumors that GW said no at the last minute but I have no idea

[earnest bone]

probably because GW being fussy about "lore" again

GW is doing a lot of crazy and stupid stuff

[crisp oak]

........ i like those sights

[idle swallow]

at work rn how's havoc feeling so far

[earnest bone]

10-12 is nothing, just a speedrun

need to go to 30+ i guess

[cobalt crest]

Tbh overall I don't mind that they're picky with the portrayel of their IP they could afford to be less but IPs that are lax with what authors are allowed to do typically have their lore in shambles

Star wars and halo being notable examples

[earnest bone]

But GW are destroying the lore by themselves

like recent female-female something controversy

[cobalt crest]

You mean the custodian lore changes?

[slow spade]

GW give my Vet a plasma cannon and I'll buy more plastic

[earnest bone]

female custodes i think, yeah

[cosmic yarrow]

Female custodes? Nothing wrong with that

[pseudo fiber]

Gotta reset the counter again.

[slow spade]

except that they didn't make them oiled up

[earnest bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=838wUTUIzvM

[idle swallow]

40k fans never beating the allegations

[earnest bone]

i leave this to w40k fans

[cobalt crest]

I love being misogynistic

[earnest bone]

im not deep into the lore

[cobalt crest]

Favourite past time

[gritty furnace]

Does the powersword deactivate on hit still?

[cobalt crest]

Ye

[gritty furnace]

[cobalt crest]

Unless you're asking if the update changed things

Then idk

[slow spade]

I mean the female custodes thing and their justification is shit but it is what it is

[earnest bone]

[slow spade]

personally just put some SoB Paladins in lore

[gritty furnace]

I assume its a bug that it deactivates?

[undone jungle]

Thats actually god roll

Warp res is completely pointless if not detrimental on it

[cobalt crest]

I always thought it was intentional I'm ngl

[gritty furnace]

Ah I always thought it'd be like the thunder hammer and stay active till swung

[cyan verge]

just don't get hit

like you should want to not get hit anyway in the feirst place

[gritty furnace]

I'm not familiar with the veteran having any talent points that prevents its attacks being interrupted like the zealot or ogryn

[balmy flume]

Well looks like Auric Maelstrom is on my menu tonight after I return from office

[gritty furnace]

But still powered weapons for other classes stay active especially with the blessing that allows 2 extra engergized hits

[balmy flume]

Gonna actually use the LFG here for once to hopefully guarantee completion

To unlock Havoc stuff

[stark vector]

Question about helbore lasgun

Marks

What’s the point in the “lucius mk v”

[tawny timber]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[thorn lark]

It's above survivalist. But it has a pretty big cooldown. Nevertheless it has saved me maaaaany times

[stark vector]

I don’t get what it’s purpose is over the other two marks.

They all have the same thing (precise : Charged Attack)

Lucius MK V - 140 hip fire / 280 aim down sights

Lucius MK IV - 126 hip fire / 420 aim down sights

Lucius MI IIIa - 140 Hip fire / 350 aim down sights

I see NO reason to use the MK V, it’s just a worse version in the IIIa???

Atleast with the IV I can see that you may choose it for the MORE sun down damage

[tiny summit]

Fast charge and bayonet

[serene bough]

why is havoc locked

[tiny summit]

Its actually really good

[stark vector]

Why doesn’t it say that in my preview here? It only tells me differnt damage numbers

[cobalt crest]

I think for most weapon marks its just higher fire rate low damage medium for both and the high damage low fire rate

And I know one of the bayonets has a shitty slash attack

And not a stab

[tiny summit]

Thats the slowest charge but hardest hitting helbore

[thorn lark]

You need to do a Maël before Havoc

[serene bough]

i did

[tiny summit]

Recommend to just try them out in the psykanium

[pale owl]

Does anyone have any tips for penance support fire (Where you are not allowed to take melee damage)

[tiny summit]

VoC or Infil. Be ready to swap and hold block (you block enemies from behind too) and just have good positioning and game sense

[pale owl]

So i dont do Much except block?

[serene bough]

uh

whats the difference between these two skins

[tall torrent]

None

[serene bough]

wtf fatshark

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[serene bough]

i could buy the same skin twice

[cyan verge]

the thing is

[pseudo fiber]

Okay they gotta port this relic sword shit to the power sword yesterday jesus christ

[cyan verge]

what if it's a bug

what if they just accidentally used the wrong model

[fervent quiver]

Imagine us getting the sm2 powersword

[pseudo fiber]

This weapon is fucking awesome

[serene bough]

hope thats the case

[torn gorge]

uhh idk about being a much clearer sight

[umbral parrot]

How's HAVOC? Is it as crazy as people say?

[runic axle]

Did everyone get 4000 diamantine?

[tall torrent]

I like it more than base
There’s at least something to see the general direction of my shots
Instead of —.— to see through

[serene bough]

reee

need to do another mael to play havoc

[grand perch]

i didnt get the boost to 16 so im stuck grinding a few boring speedrun ones

[serene bough]

im at 10 also but for some reason I cant search groupfinder

[cyan verge]

there's absolutely no reason they couldn't give us nice irons

but presumably the modelers don't know anything about guns, so they did a good job overall but yeah the sights are commonly a sore point

and in this case yeah the helbore 'irons' are like

it's like trying to aim down a nerf blaster's stupid rail

speaking of, the IAG looks kinda like a nerf blaster in some ways so I wonder if they bought a couple to help model

[hollow ibex]

Did you talk to Dukane and clear your party finder filters?

[cyan verge]

yeah it's not clear at all but you can completely untick filters

so if you picked any difficulty

you have to untick it and set it to nothing then you can select havoc

what's a good example of like a rifle sight out there... hmmmmm... I wonder if there might be any famous rifles that exist in real life that they could have possibly used for inspiration for the sight picture on a fictional rifle... hmmmmmmmmm

[analog mural]

clear all your tags

[torn gorge]

why would you want a space SMLE

just give reflex or acog and call it a day

[velvet dawn]

So this patch veteran hasn’t being touched huh?

[cobalt crest]

Next patch vet will get 3 weapons and all the other classes will get 0

[velvet dawn]

I wish

[vapid surge]

What if they released weapon customization alongside veteran weapons

[vapid surge]

eh, probably not. "This isnt that type of game" or w/e

[velvet dawn]

Not happening it’s fat shark you are talking about

[vapid surge]

Right

Theyll just add another dangly-doo and call it a vacation

[pseudo fiber]

I mean it'l be a new vet exclusive weapon but what

idk

[vapid surge]

Hoping for either Hotshot, Melta or Longlas

[pseudo fiber]

power fist

[clever hedge]

Probly melta given it's the only special weapon missing guardsman usually run in squads

[vapid surge]

Knowing fartshark it'll be a ranged weapon, because Veterans shouldnt be good at melee or w/e

design philosaphy yada yada

[pseudo fiber]

I mean both are fine

[serene bough]

TY

[slow spade]

grenade launcher

[tame lodge]

Think they broke that design philosophy a long time ago
Considering that vet melee is strong as hell

[earnest bone]

[tame lodge]

Albeit expensive

[copper verge]

Thats hard asf

Sir yessir commissar sir

Also, how’s Havoc btw?

[tall torrent]

Can be fun

[copper verge]

Huh

What setups are viable atm for vet

[slow spade]

VoC plasma

[copper verge]

Oh my god

It was always VOC plasma

😭

[grand perch]

about everything is viable

[slow spade]

spice it up VoC crit bolter

[analog mural]

Pretty much anything that can do auric is good enough for havoc right now since no one is gonna be that high clearance yet

[grand perch]

high havoc will be...interesting though

[slow spade]

with the toughness issues, VoC will save me

[copper verge]

I dropped a great bolter yesterday

[tall torrent]

I was playing combat axe

[copper verge]

76% stability 64% mobility

[tall torrent]

Nobody is super high havoc yet

It definitely forces you to adapt to the modifier tho

[cyan verge]

wait, it's all VoC plasma?
always has been

[tall torrent]

Nah

[slow spade]

lvl 40 havoc day 1

[tame basalt]

i use a lasgun 😦

[slow spade]

bricked

[tall torrent]

Pus-hardened makes enemies take as little as 0.5x ranged damage

There’s no 1-size-fit-all build

[slow spade]

still can't go wrong with VoC though

[tall torrent]

VoC is definitely the meta lol

[slow spade]

I see that Emperor's Light modifier and yeah VoC is not leaving lmao

[hollow ibex]

I’m glad they didn’t nerf VOC lol

[slow spade]

VOC isn't nerfed but now VOC is required UwU

[copper verge]

What modifier

[tall torrent]

Pretty much every one of the 4 major modifiers

[copper verge]

Honestly nah i’ve tested both 60% mob and 60% stability, neither are bad

[slow spade]

bricked :c

[faint beacon]

Pus Hardened Skin my beloathed

[slow spade]

Pus hardened BoN UwU

[faint beacon]

Infernus Las weapons might be the way to go with PHS modifier

Seeing the ranged DR they get isn’t effected by DOT

[copper verge]

I’m bricked

[faint beacon]

so the DOT will still do full damage

[copper verge]

It was always VoC

😭

[copper verge]

Sorry not home atm, what are the modifiers?

[tall torrent]

Moebian 21st
Pus-hardened
Blight spreads
Cranial corruption

[cyan verge]

join havoc mission
"hey you are higher havoc can we do yours"
it begins

[faint beacon]

Also holy shit every match I played vet with the new weapons everyone else had I felt struggling to keep up in damage

[copper verge]

I meant what do they do specifically

Sorry lol should have been specific

[slow spade]

I mean is that really a problem?

you care more about elite/specialist kills

[copper verge]

Does vet power sword / plasma or recon XIV rly feel lacking in damage compared to the new swords? 😭

[faint beacon]

Power sword and Rashad are on par with them

Other than that everything else is extremely lack luster

Basically the other two blades will completely wipe hordes before you can really engage with it

[cyan verge]

I mean

you shouldn't really be doing that anyway if you absolutely don't have to

[copper verge]

DAMN

[cyan verge]

because you should be using your gun to plink all the specials that are trying to attack you

[copper verge]

i gotta get myself a 2 handed force

Lol

[slow spade]

indeed, I find the damage stat a useless "flex"

[tall torrent]

Moebian 21st
Groaners & poxwalkers are replaced by infected Moebian 21st groaners which are more aggressive and have more health & mass

Pus-hardened
Chance for enemies to spawn (green aura) with a hardened skin which reduces the ranged damage they take by up to 50%

Blight spreads
Chance for enemies spawned (green gas ish aura) to drop blight puddles that corrupt players and other enemies inside so if they die they’ll also spread corruption puddles

Cranial corruption
Chance for enemies spawned (tentacle head) to have their heads replaced by infested heads that explode when shot

[cyan verge]

oh he actually answered

isn't there an official page that explains all these

I woulda just posted that...

[copper verge]

Ty!

[slow spade]

you would think that

[cyan verge]

oh apparently you boost to 16 not havoc 10 now when you do a maelstrom

[tall torrent]

Havoc is basically modifier galore

Negative modifier electric boogaloo

[cyan verge]

they aren't terribly evil either so far at least though puddles is a bit annoying to play around and

in that mission where I just carried level 1 havoc guys one dude died from just standing in the green goo

which is like

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebobwindow-seum-gif-21948527

[cyan verge]

:|

[hollow ibex]

Boys having fun while I’m at work 😭

[tall torrent]

It’s the most team play mode in the game prob

[cyan verge]

oh https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/4456970437737317498

actually no there it is

it says right there

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I wouldn’t want to play randoms for this mode

[cyan verge]

in the patch notes

so now if anyone asks just say read patch notes gg

none of my friends play this game for some reason so I guess I gotta rely on randoms

[slow spade]

wish it gave the numbers though

[cyan verge]

true

[slow spade]

can you really blame them with the state of the game for the past 2 years? lol

[copper verge]

Thats valid lmao

But fatshark is cooking now

The game is in a good state imo besides ogryn getting nerfed for some reason

[slow spade]

one of my friends preferred DoW 1 over Darktide as "DoW1 crashes less"

[hollow ibex]

Psyker getting buffed is just

[sleek garden]

Holy cannoli

[copper verge]

Darktide has 21k players rn

Before it had like 12k

[cyan verge]

ogryn NERFS????

no way

[copper verge]

Very stable playerbase

[slow spade]

keep in mind that DoTs affect enemy torso

[hollow ibex]

Just go for headshots as you normally do

[copper verge]

Apparently gunlugger and melee ogryn got fucked

[slow spade]

so does this mean that purgs are on suicide watch?

[elder fiber]

no, just kickback mostly

[sleek garden]

It's sad for the rumbler

[hollow ibex]

Nah it still shreds scab ragers

[elder fiber]

b/c no easy access to 15% dmg on reload

[true jackal]

some nodes got changed around, it's now marginally harder to make a gunlugger build

[elder fiber]

rumbler too but

[slow spade]

ah ok

[elder fiber]

lol, lmao

[slow spade]

was worried for DoTs

[tame lodge]

"Fuck DoTs " - Scab Rager

[sleek garden]

So bleed is going to be worse for ragers

[slow spade]

purg, flamers, and bleed builds

[sleek garden]

Honestly, good for them

[slow spade]

hmmmmm

[tame lodge]

Bleed
Smite
Zap
Flamer type

Trauma

[tall torrent]

Also uh

[serene bough]

man

[tall torrent]

Be very afraid of reapers in havoc

[serene bough]

that puss armor is crazy

[sleek garden]

Scab ragers have always been humbled by the dreg ragers

[tall torrent]

Just saying

[sleek garden]

It's their time to shine

[tall torrent]

Reapers are crazy dangerous in havoc

[serene bough]

ilas doesnt even tickle th em

[slow spade]

don't they basically get instant staggered still?

[tall torrent]

Haha

[sleek garden]

You can suppress them

[hollow ibex]

Man I already hate reapers

[faint beacon]

We discovered they also changed Scab Ragers core modifier

[serene bough]

yeah reapers are nasty

[elder fiber]

pussy hardened reapers, nurgle's strongest soldiers

[tame lodge]

Is the suppression immunity modifier actually dangerous

[faint beacon]

It’s now carapace

[sleek garden]

wait is there really a suppression immunity modifier

[slow spade]

such is life

[true jackal]

most definitely

[slow spade]

yes

[sleek garden]

Praying for non ghost users

[faint beacon]

Emperors fading light?

[sleek garden]

gunners never miss with no suppression

[true jackal]

you don't often notice supression is there, but you'll notice it when it's gone

[tame lodge]

Cranial Corruption

[faint beacon]

Oh seriously?

Explains why fucking

[tall torrent]

Also @faint beacon best heavy stubber is gorgonum

[sleek garden]

I took a video in the psykhanium showing how suppression affects gunners even when they aren't cowering

[faint beacon]

Cranial Corruption + EFL + Reapers are like

[slow spade]

I wish I could play :c

[faint beacon]

The scariest fucking thing to fight

[tall torrent]

It’s the only heavy stubber that shoots relatively straight in rapid fire

[slow spade]

lol true

even crouching does like nothing

[cyan verge]

oh do you mean the new ones, the new heavy stubber

[tall torrent]

Achlys’ recoil is comical

[sleek garden]

It's not working for me

The video

[tall torrent]

Krourk’s spread is comical

[sleek garden]

Maybe you can see it on pc

[sleek garden]

What does cranial corruption do

[cyan verge]

doesn't it just do uhh

[hollow ibex]

Proud Krouk tradition of making the worst stubbers

[cyan verge]

the nurgle mod basically

shoot enemies in face they explode

[slow spade]

and also suppression immunity

only gets bad when you get the pus hardened combo too

[cyan verge]

yeah

[sleek garden]

I was looking at the trailer thinking I was gonna have a bad time bringing infantry lasguns

[cyan verge]

just shoot em

[sleek garden]

But if there's cases where enemies just don't stop shooting at you it might work

[slow spade]

I mean you are, everyone is

UwU

[sleek garden]

It's tough right

[tall torrent]

165 more penance points to get Moebian 6th helmets

[runic axle]

Guys, I'm having doomer thoughts. What are we the best at, even? Zealot outmelees us. Ogryn and Psyker out-CC us. Psykers can get even somewhat on par. Are we just a big toughness bar that presses VoC every now and again?

[slow spade]

is this bait?

[sleek garden]

Veteran best at shooting things

[tame lodge]

Zealot out melee is hilarious

[sleek garden]

And throwing frags

[slow spade]

has to be bait

[faint beacon]

I mean we’re still good at range takedowns and support via toughness generation

But we’ve definitely been knocked down a peg on topping for damage

[tame lodge]

Bro's worried about Crowd Control
Of course it's bait

[slow spade]

true

[tame lodge]

Vets CC is death

[faint beacon]

Isn’t that psykers though also

Lmao

[sleek garden]

2 frags is seemingly only on par with psykers new magic sword

[runic axle]

Those are my honest delusions after 10 havoc games where I have a psyker and a zealot speedrunning the map, killing everything before I get to switch to my boltor while also leaving my back fully unprotected so I can't even take it out.

[slow spade]

sounds like skill issue rather than class issue

[tame lodge]

It might sound crazy what I'm about to say

[sleek garden]

Honestly the worst is when you aren't taking a knife or duelling sword and your teammates just fly away

[tame lodge]

Bolter not that impressive in Havoc

[runic axle]

Brother I'm not even dying, nor did I on auric maelstroms, I just feel like I can't get to the part where I'm being useful. Aside from VoC.

[cyan verge]

this is the time to shine (literally) fo the mighty Flashlight

[slow spade]

nothing that you complained about is related to the class though lmao

clearly a skill issue

[runic axle]

And yeah it sucks. Having to go from plasma / boltor one taps to 2-3 is horrible.

And almost every havoc mission I see has that armor modifier.

[slow spade]

its only ranged damage

just melee them

[tame lodge]

Time to spec as vet melee

[runic axle]

Me when I enter a large ass open space and there's 8 gunners and 4 reapers (that happened today)

[tame lodge]

See the truth behind the best melee class

[cyan verge]

atm I spend a significant amount of time just stabbing things as vet anyway because lol DS

[slow spade]

good thing you can throw a grenade

[runic axle]

I really wanted to get away from it. I've been running this Ikea zealot with Rashad and Revolver for way too long.

[cyan verge]

you build tables for the heretics?

[runic axle]

Good thing it was a large open 20 meter+ wide space.

[slow spade]

you act as if you don't regularly face that in maelstroms?

just melee them lol

[serene bough]

ok so

why cant i queue my own havoc

[cyan verge]

cursed

you are cursed

it is the cursed

[runic axle]

Code issue

[cyan verge]

curse issue

[tame lodge]

9999
Networking issues

[runic axle]

Sometimes other people in the group can start it

[cyan verge]

for SOME REASON

anyone other than the party guy can just start whatever mission they want seemingly

[serene bough]

so i just get fucked then

[sour fossil]

What i feel actually when i see the others class play with some new toys

[cyan verge]

it just puts you in a party it doesn't block anything or anyone

[runic axle]

Don't worry, in 2 months we'll get Cain's used toothpick.

[tall torrent]

Another 400hrs to glorious Rashad

[slow spade]

I mean to be fair, Psykers deserve something new

[cyan verge]

lol

[slow spade]

they've just been getting hand-me-downs from Vet

[tame lodge]

Bro's acting like he can't play the other classes

Psykers finally have a fourth melee weapon

[hollow ibex]

Psykers being forced to use melee

[pallid ermine]

what should my dump stat be for the combat knife

deciding between rolls

[tame lodge]

Mobility

[unique orchid]

[tall torrent]

This is a good change

[tame lodge]

"fuck DoTs" - Scab Rager

[unique orchid]

aye you arent wrong, but im lazy and like aiming for the middle lmao

[slow spade]

Fatshark pls change Trapper armor maniac to carapace UwU

[ionic grove]

You need to be stopped

[sleek garden]

These gunner changes are serious

[slow spade]

I'm cooking trust me

[sleek garden]

They used to have to brace and stand still to fire

Now they can strafe

[ionic grove]

dont think its that bad tbh

[tame lodge]

I'm so used to this
Easy pickings

Gotta recalibrate my aim

[tall torrent]

They still move fairly slow

[slow spade]

next update "Gunners can now dodge slide while shooting"

[tall torrent]

It’s the reapers that can instantly fuck u over

Getting my health 100-20’d in havoc by a single reaper was definitely an experience

[sleek garden]

Reapers got increased damage range, they do more damage from further away

[hollow ibex]

Time for 3x gunner curio?

[slow spade]

doesn't the gunner damage resist also affect Reapers?

or is it "toughness check" the enemy

[tall torrent]

I think 2x is minimum

[ionic grove]

been running gunner damage resist since forever since they always find a way to be as spread out as possible trying to find a way to touch me unconsentually

[tall torrent]

I had only 1 gunner resist

[slow spade]

I've been running +5% toughness perks

[sleek garden]

They're trying to promote range superiority for the scabs

[slow spade]

I guess I'll try gunner resist now

[hollow ibex]

Might need to drop ordo dockets

[sleek garden]

They want you to shoot back at scabs and fistfight dregs

Or at least, that's how the enemies want it

[serene bough]

yeah, i dont get it

i cant queue my own havoc mission

[tame lodge]

"C'mon, fight me" - Dreg Stalker

[serene bough]

sad times are here to stay

[sleek garden]

Open up a party

They've said before that it's not for matchmaking

[tall torrent]

For havoc u might want to remake your curios and run corruption resist

Unironically

[sleek garden]

"Fixed an issue where ranged hits penetrating multiple enemies would only be registered as having hit a weakspot if the last enemy was hit on a weakspot."

This is nice

[serene bough]

error code 9999

cant connect at all

[sleek garden]

I noticed this especially on my slightly taller than average vet where it would count because the bullet went through the second guy's chest

[serene bough]

i can play other's havocs but not my own

[sleek garden]

Oh dear

[earnest bone]

the problem with this is that if you hit a body in melee

the weapon is stuck now

[sleek garden]

Extremely rare perfect strike value

[hollow ibex]

That bad huh. I’ll just stop running dockets I guess

[versed osprey]

how do we unlock the new cosmetics?

[copper verge]

Still trying to compare these builds btw in auric mael (easier to test for havoc) and normal damnation

What i found is that the right is more consistent on normal damnation bc the shredders are nice and recon las spam is fun, but weapon master is very reliable with ps and more useful on auric with the kraks, softens up crushers and nice against weakened monstrosities

[sleek garden]

You are a crazy fella for running ordo dockets on curio

[earnest bone]

or

be the guy

[hollow ibex]

Perfectly viable up to AM

[hollow ibex]

Gross

[sleek garden]

Yeah I used to use two curios with it because it was locked on my stuff before they unlocked curios

[hollow ibex]

For perks you really just take the ones you need anyways

I think I’m going to need all my defensive perks on havoc lol

[sleek garden]

I've always taken a wound curio and a guy in a voice chat here got mad at me for it

stuff happens

Maybe I get trapped and overheaded by a mauler

Don't want to lose half my health for the next fight

[median mountain]

I consider my self still a bit of a noob at this game, and for veteran. That being said which ranged weapon would be the easiest to both build for and play (with also a switch from bistol to the recomended weapon), which melee weapon would be recommended to go with it, and also which grenade type? The ranged Weapons I want to consider are

• Plasma
• Boltgun
• Recon Lasgun (Mk XII was recommended for armored targets)
• Vraks Invantry Autogun.
  I am finding the Bistol's mag size a bit to restrictive for its reload speed...

[sleek garden]

(nasal voice) "erm or you could just take extra toughness and not go down" I hope you eat a chain axe overhead in real life

[hollow ibex]

Krak or frag will depend on pathing and the ranged weapon you’re running

[heavy rover]

Can't go wrong with the shovels or the Rashad combat axe

[hollow ibex]

For stuff like bolter and plasma you run frags

[earnest bone]

in general a +1 wound curio signals that the player is new and some people get salty about that, otherwise you indeed better to use either +HP curio (x2 toughness x1 HP or x3 Toughness)

[sleek garden]

I'm a winner

I don't lose

[heavy rover]

Hi a winner

[median mountain]

But which of the listed Ranged Weapons would be Easiest to learn and build for it's playstyle?

[sleek garden]

Hi helping

Wanna help me win

[hollow ibex]

Recon las prob

[heavy rover]

Still at work lol

[sleek garden]

I'm still in my class

[cosmic yarrow]

How do you know what other curios people are running?

[sleek garden]

I don't think there's an easy way to mid match

In the mourningstar you can walk up to a person and press on them

[sleek garden]

I don't make any noise about people's crap they bring into a fight unless it's auric and I notice someone is using a default blitz or aura because it means they forgot to set their skill tree

Or profane weapons

That kind stuff

But I'm not gonna complain I'm just gonna say hey did you mean to bring that

[earnest bone]

Well, you can't really do anything about people screaming at each other

[sleek garden]

You either get a psycho masochist or a guy who was trying to set up a build

[earnest bone]

it's in the human nature

tho you can block the guy

if he's annoying

[sleek garden]

I've had games where the ogryn goes down 30 times and we still win

[earnest bone]

there's 50 slots for blocking

[sleek garden]

Because he had 10 wounds or something

[median mountain]

now so far the main melee weapons I have been using have been Devil's claw and played a few missions with a Dueling Sword I just picked up. What Melee weapon pairs well with a recon Lasgun? or is choice of melee weapon more generalized than that?

[sleek garden]

I like the devil's claw

I will always advocate for it

That said its damage output is a little weak

[earnest bone]

if you use Onslaught with Recon 12, you can use any melee

[sleek garden]

Because it's just "a sword"

[earnest bone]

otherwise something that can also deal with Carapace

[hollow ibex]

Goes well with most melee, it really depends on your build

[earnest bone]

Knife, DSword, Rashad, etc

[heavy rover]

Just a heads up Rashad needs a perfect roll with 60 mobility and 80 on everything else

[hollow ibex]

I don’t run onslaught on my recon las. I take kraks and Rashad to deal with big boys

[sleek garden]

I'd stick with the devil's claw but the ultra hyper super mega pick is just gonna be duelling sword

[earnest bone]

you can also use anything and rely on kraks vs carapace, but that will bite into your ass once in a while

[sleek garden]

To be fair though most of the time the whole team is running anti Carapace

[earnest bone]

DSword is pretty popular, so yeah

[sleek garden]

I can usually pull off having no carapace control because I can just ping a crusher and run away lol

Occasionally you get cornered

I don't think the duelling sword should be able to 1-3 shot a crusher that easily but it does

[median mountain]

the friends I run with mostly just installed darktide so they are like level 4 after last night... otherwise I am dealing with pub groups, but I want to push into heresy difficulty at least

[sleek garden]

Let them get used to the game

I have a friend who was willing to play but he was struggling with survival

Wanted to play damnation over and over and burned himself out

Couldn't survive

Wish I could have figured out exactly what he struggled with

He got overwhelmed by hordes easily

[serene bough]

To his credit lower difficulties do suck

[sleek garden]

Yeah

But he couldn't dodge attacks from small dudes

Lots of chip damage

I hope he will be willing to play again soon

[cyan verge]

yeah I would not pressure your level 4 friends especially since they have crap gear

just run malice that should be enough

[heavy rover]

Take as much time as you need to get comfortable with the game. That includes movement, dodging, audio cues, etc

[sleek garden]

I bet he'll love the covenant sword

[median mountain]

when I play with my friends I advise them to play for a bit on sedition or maybe level 2... but the point is they don't have much of any anti armor on them... so I am thinking I will need onslaught on the recon, or maybe go from bistol to boltgun

[sleek garden]

I forgot when I was level 4 maulers were mini bosses lol

[median mountain]

but for melee I am 'safe' more or less sticking with the Dueling sword for now?

[sleek garden]

You'd have the whole squad rush that dude with axes and swords

[heavy rover]

For now yeah, I think so

[cyan verge]

is +34% health still like a... thing

[hollow ibex]

DS is broken good so yeah

[candid agate]

wait guys is the havoc assignment the only havoc mission available? or can i do my own lobbies from level 1?

[heavy rover]

Again, focus on getting used to the pacing of the game first. The higher difficulties will always be there, so there's no need to rush. Don't be afraid to experiment and take your time learning

[slow spade]

lvl 30+0? time for Havoc UwU

[median mountain]

so stick with frag for the recon or move to krak?

[cyan verge]

I have been running 3x toughness curios but I just got a +21% health and have +3 stamina curio so I am thinkin about doing like 1x toughness 1x stamina and 1x health...

[hollow ibex]

I run krak but you can really do either. Just think about how you’re dealing with carapace and that’ll inform your nade choice

Like DS shreds crushers

So if you’re comfortable with meleeing crushers you can just run frags

[sleek garden]

This reminds me I wish ogryns didn't have that little immunity to stagger

[hollow ibex]

If you have onslaught no need for kraks either

[sleek garden]

It sucks dropping 3 frags at your feet and it doesn't stagger the crusher group

Or bulwark group

[cyan verge]

they stagger to various things, the frag stagger just isn't high enough

[median mountain]

for starting this recon lasgun build do I want to care much about the 5 stat bars or just grab one to start and build up some mastery first?

[tall torrent]

Untrue

[sleek garden]

I specifically am talking about a mechanic they have where they are briefly immune to stagger after being staggered

[cyan verge]

oh really

I did not know about that

[tall torrent]

Ogryns have 2.5s stagger immunity after being staggered

[cyan verge]

I guess that makes sense(?)

[tall torrent]

This was added to prevent certain weapons stagger locking crushers until they die

[cyan verge]

do our ogryns get 2.5s stagger immunity after being staggered

[tall torrent]

Ex: combat axe

[cyan verge]

oh

yeah true

[heavy rover]

Just grab one and go. You can start worrying about stats once you hit mastery and level 30

[queen fox]

So how am I supposed to actually use the smoke grenade

[thorny current]

you don't

[torn gorge]

use it for light suppression around an area or to break line of sight with gunners/ranged units

[tall torrent]

Throw it at where u want to be

[median mountain]

so I think I would like to use the Krak Grenades for dealing with armored stuff, so what other talents do I want to consider?

[torn gorge]

depends what weapons you want to use

[median mountain]

ahh You appear to have missed the prior conversation where I had based on advice settled on Recon Lasgun but not quite sure if with or without onslaught

[torn gorge]

take rending strike

if you settle on that

and superiority complex/shock trooper

[clever hedge]

Krak also would negate the need for onslaught

[tame lodge]

Preferably staying inside the smoke

So at your feet of wherever you'll be in seconds

[balmy flume]

Also should go without saying, but boxed in areas will be more effective for smokes.

[median mountain]

Does Recon Lasgun still take Voice of command?

[candid agate]

which recon is best again? 14 or something?

[clever hedge]

Yes you almost always take VoC

[slow spade]

there's no reason to not take VoC

even bolter can get away with VoC if you go crit bolter

[candid agate]

if you're a stinky meta slave that is

[cyan verge]

pick up this shotgun immediately become immobile

[candid agate]

the quartermaster gives you a wheelchair as a bonus for it

[median mountain]

the link is just for talent tree review but any changes I should make? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da39396-4586-4675-9eed-72c47cf09ed7/vetreconlas?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[warm flower]

ds 🤮

[median mountain]

???

[rain badger]

Don’t feed the cry babies

[copper verge]

I like XIV

[torn gorge]

not sure how relevant is grenade tinkerer but if you want to keep that may as well path down through fire team aura instead of survivalist

[copper verge]

Its got great dmg for each shot and works very well with weapon master builds

[torn gorge]

to have enough points to afford superiority complex

[copper verge]

Its the only recon las not reliant on the 40% ammo perk (forgot the name) and las shock trooper

So no crit farming either

But still very consistent

Ive never ran out of ammo with it

But thats bc i use power sword a LOT

[balmy flume]

And now

Time for some PUG roulette for Auric Maelstrom…

[viscid ravine]

Since completing that gives you havoc 16 immediately, it's been WEIRD lately

Like malice 2.0, never know what you get but if you lean to it, it's an interesting experience ^^

[balmy flume]

Awesome, let’s see how my group does now.

[viscid ravine]

May the emperor smile on you

[torn gorge]

pick a setup that can make space

and youll be fine

[runic axle]

Am I doing something wrong? Plasma seems decent, yet it feels like Boltor completely blows it out of the water.

[tall torrent]

wrong perks

and possibly wrong talent build

[runic axle]

So, what are the right perks?

[grand perch]

you want unarmored or elite for gunner onetaps

unyieldng should go

[tiny valve]

What do you recommend I do in terms of saving up dockets (I'm still only level 16)? I'm currently saving up for a new cosmetic set (I just bought a couple of new weapons so I only have 20k and it's 195k) but I'm wondering if it's worth spending more on weapons for the time being and saving up later?

[runic axle]

Docket cosmetics are pretty bad compared to penance ones. Just don't buy them.

[tiny valve]

I don't really know what to do I can't lie as I really like the infantry autogun but all the ones I can buy are worse than the one I have equipped.

[lusty sapphire]

Literally just play. You're lvl 16. Don't spend

[gilded rock]

Anotha patch, anotha day that Run n' Gun DB is a buggy mess on WS Vet

[tiny valve]

I mean by the time I reach the required amount I'd probably be like level 30.

[hollow ibex]

Experiment with a variety of weapons and just explore shit in federal

General

[lusty sapphire]

The money you get at 30 is several times the money you get at 16 if you play damnation

No point in looking to spend stuff for now as well as the quality drastically improves with level and in malice you really don't need stellar gear

[hidden torrent]

Are all mods crashing rn?

[lusty sapphire]

No

There's a bunch of updates for stuff like chat block/dynamic aim etc.

Numeric ui is broken as well

[hidden torrent]

unreal

[lusty sapphire]

I only got rid of chat block. Fixed numeric and the rest of the mods are either fine or have updates

[tiny valve]

Malice I can manage just fine really with my current gear as I have quite a good weapon I've spent a lot of time on getting the right perks and things but that takes me onto my other question of what do I do when I get a better weapon? Currently I just switch to that weapon and sacrifice the old one and then I have to redo perks and everything but I was wondering if there was a better way?

[lusty sapphire]

Not really

[hollow ibex]

Check this list and make sure you updated mod loader

[bleak jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508499422028627969/1313588809774010368/WZ-UTUqTKr9brTNe.mp4?ex=6750ae69&is=674f5ce9&hm=03ef6171e3fed51936b4b4968ed8708ca336d7c7ea8db3adbabde12025b9fc58&

[fossil basalt]

assuming it's the same weapon type, sacrificing a weapon into its matching mastery grants more (mastery) xp to that weapon class,

example
sacrificing a knife into the axe family
won't give as much mastery as
sacrificing a knife into the knife family

so if you like a weapon a lot, you can shove all the copies you get of it to unlock the stronger perks and blessings faster

[tiny valve]

That's what I'm doing with the infantry autogun currently it's just annoying having to redo ALL the perks and everything every time I get a new weapon and have to waste all the plasteel and everything I put in it

[fossil basalt]

yeah that's the main pain of leveling but

just know that you can also just... not worry about that until you're level 30

[tiny valve]

Well now I'm worrying about what happens when I reach level 30...

[fossil basalt]

you'll see a 100+ rating boost to all your weapons and all those low rated ones will be

absolute trash

[hollow ibex]

I wouldn’t bother at low difficulty

[fossil basalt]

so literally pick up something you like and don't worry about it until you're 30, essentially

[hollow ibex]

Just save your mats

[tiny valve]

Oh ok, I mean I rerolled a stat once and hand picked a stat once but other than that on my current weapon I've done nothing.

[clever hedge]

Agreed save materials till 30. Then worry about builds and stats

[fossil basalt]

that's fine
because you've just started your materials are worth a lot more

you should be saving them for when they really matter
i.e. when you have all your talents and can do some actual buildcrafting

[rustic kite]

Im having trouble completing the "On Overwatch" penance what's a good mission to get it?

[fossil basalt]

that's just a hard one mate

it takes practice, practice dodging, practice positioning, knowing where enemies come from, pushing...

definitely a low intensity something, for sure

[rustic kite]

Just got a recon and boy were you right.

[fossil basalt]

but it's a penance about being on your toes and being aware

[rustic kite]

Yuh i just get swarmed so easily :>

[fossil basalt]

stick close to your friends so they get swarmed too

[rustic kite]

And there is this ooga booga part of my brain that just goes "Run into that crowd spraying like a mad man"

[fossil basalt]

see, yes, ooga booga is the run killer

I love ooga booga, especially cause they gave me this fancy new mind-stick

[hollow ibex]

Stay calm and carry on

[rustic kite]

Whats that word? Fren?

[fossil basalt]

i'm fren

it took me... probably three or four weeks of real practice to nail on overwatch

[rustic kite]

You see i have 2 sides one side that wants to be this elite solider fighting against all odds and the other is an absolute idiot 2 americanos from a caffeine overdose

[torn acorn]

in terms of horde clearing melees, what am ı looking at for vet?

shovel?

[fossil basalt]

you're somewhere in-between:

the barely trained madlad who could tear that Daemonhost a new one, but probably shouldn't because you're not that guy

[rustic kite]

Must not know I come from helldivers 2 i know im expendable!

[tall torrent]

Recon is full auto but lacks damage against tougher enemies

Infantry Lasguns are DMR style weapons that focus on killing specialists & ranged elites

[rustic kite]

I love both alot

[ocean moat]

please do not play as expendably in dt your teammates who arent will be annoyed 🙏

[rustic kite]

Part of me wants a sniper but ik thats not particularly good in horde shooters....

[tall torrent]

We sorta do

[rustic kite]

Elaborate

[slow spade]

Helbore

[tall torrent]

Helbore Lasgun

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[rustic kite]

Oh haven't tried the kriegin time gun

[tall torrent]

We might get a longlas next year

[slow spade]

give me a grenade launcher

or grenade keystone

[rustic kite]

Lasgun w underbarrel nade launcher

[tiny valve]

Would a lasgun with a torch attachment just be a flashlight with an underbarrel flashlight?

[rustic kite]

Give a selection of different grenades to launch

[slow spade]

grenade launcher with underbarrel grenade launcher

[rustic kite]

Same vibe as shotgun with underbarrel shotgun

[slow spade]

obligatory Combi-weapons too

bolter+plasma

[balmy flume]

Is Havoc matchmaking failing really hard for anyone?

[rustic kite]

Okay hear me out shotgun hammer

[grand perch]

killing floor 2 has you covered

[rustic kite]

Whats that?

[grand perch]

horde shooter game

it has a sledgehammer with a shotgun shell magazine attached that fires the shotgun when you hit someone hard

which means...you have to reload your hammer

[rustic kite]

Is it any good? Is it multiplayer or like a campaign

[grand perch]

check it out in steam store its great

[slow spade]

a game I've been playing recently has a sledgehammer that you attach a landmine to :p

Abiotic Factor my beloved

[tall torrent]

They play on PlayStation

[clever hedge]

10/10 it's a horde wave shooter. 6 players teams. Has a class system and tones of weapons

[abstract flare]

Peak game

Waiting on the next update to continue playing that

[warm sundial]

Which Recon Lasgun mark should I be using?

I'm trying to make a Shock Trooper build

[tall torrent]

All 3 are ok

[warm sundial]

So what's the difference? I'm guessing some of the mare higher DPS but higher ammo use?

[clever hedge]

Firerate trade off for damage per shot is the basic balance of them

[fiery raft]

this is the dump stat right?

mobi

[clever hedge]

One really fast, one in between, one slow but harder hitting

[fiery raft]

not mobi

reload sped

[warm sundial]

uhhh...but how does that matter? Does it affect the dps?

[fossil basalt]

Veteran has lots of nodes for reload speed

so... yeah probably

[fiery raft]

sweet

ty

[torn acorn]

what are some good horde clear melees?

[balmy flume]

Dumb question, when do we get the Havoc cosmetic rewards?

And how :p?

[tame lodge]

@warm sundial

[warm sundial]

Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

[tame lodge]

Oh the names are old

[warm sundial]

How do they map to the new names?
https://i.imgur.com/i3gpURn.png

[tame lodge]

VId should be the XII
VIIa should be the XIV
II should be the VIc

[fossil basalt]

I'll be honest I just go by what color the model is without skins

[abstract flare]

Same

Green all the way

[cyan verge]

the color isn't always accurate to the model of the weapon

[warm sundial]

it's fucked up that they don't tell you about one of the marks having cleave

[cyan verge]

to be fair

as far as I know cleave is basically a hidden stat entirely

unless it's in the 'inspect' menu somewhere

[abstract flare]

Green is best colour

[warm sundial]

pretty sure I saw "cleave" being used in some talent descriptions at least

Well, none of the marks does shit against Carapace, so I guess I'll stick with mk XIV

[tall torrent]

XIV has best TTK vs priority targets with the best damage per shot & cleave but the worst firing uptime

VIc is balance firerate vs damage, very high firing uptime

XII is VIc with less damage but much high firerate which allows it to use a very niche talent well

[clever hedge]

It does effect DPS, the guide has full breakdown of its effects. And the slowest also consumes 2 ammo per shot. It matters if your building crit to get free shots/burning or are going for per damage blessing

[halcyon elk]

Is the revolver a good weapon for endgame content?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah though prob not Havoc

[warm sundial]

What niche talent is that?

[tall torrent]

Extremely strong outside of havoc

[tall torrent]

Onslaught (bottom right)

[hollow ibex]

Onslaught is a trap

[cyan verge]

that's why he called it niche...

[halcyon elk]

Probably should have specified, is the cowboy hipfire revolver good for endgame

[hollow ibex]

Niche and trap may overlap. But they are not the same thing.

[cyan verge]

that's why he called it niche...

[open urchin]

Hows the new update? I've been stuck at work

[cyan verge]

's okay

[open urchin]

Fair

[cyan verge]

the new map is okay

havoc is okay so far

havoc is not nearly as toxic as I thought it'd be

[ionic grove]

fatshark trash servers selling 😔

[primal zealot]

No

[cyan verge]

from the sounds of it they were like "we are bringing endgame pro gamer content for the 0.001% of players out there who think maelstrom auric is TOO EASY"

and then you play it and it's like only the last like, 10-20 levels of the 40 level tiering system, are like, even terribly dangerous

so perfectly average people, probably have good odds to clear at least the first 20

[hollow ibex]

Uh ok

I cba’d to clarify

[ornate tusk]

omg u cant post imgs on this server annoying. Anyway is it worth a boltgun with all 80% minus collateral that is at 60%?

[tall torrent]

Usable

Usually Boltgun dumps mobility

[hollow ibex]

Talk a bit more and you’ll get image perms

[tall torrent]

Collateral actually changes boltgun’s stagger a bit

[ornate tusk]

so I should care about that stat then

[cyan verge]

you can post images if you are a 💪 SERIOUS GAMER 💪 like this

if you are asking about weapon stats you are probably not at the point where you need to care (level 30)

but keep an eye out for 'optimal' weapons in the shop whenever you pass by it (hourly reset)

[ornate tusk]

yeah that's why i was asking I know I have to pray to get perfect % rolls so seeing this that is all 80% minus one stat make me wonder if would be worth getting it just for future use

but no idea how much important this collateral stat is on the boltgun if it is I could w8 for a more balance % rolls

at leas thave all above 70%

[cyan verge]

it's fine to just pick it up and use it

if you just want to rank up mastery or whatever

[heavy rover]

just focus on getting to level 30 first and getting mastery on weapons you want. You can worry about stat distribution and optimizing later. Plus, it'd be good to farm materials first

[hollow ibex]

If you really want a weapon you can just buy grays at brunt’s and force it

But realistically you don’t need perfect rolls

Especially when you’re new

[cyan verge]

as long as it's not like 60% damage roll, that's a pretty bad one to take...

[hollow ibex]

It’s just something to work for in the end game

[heavy rover]

yeah, focus on getting a feel of the game like with dodging, blocking, etc.

[ornate tusk]

ok ill buy it is only 11k and worry about it later then

[heavy rover]

Extra emphasis on sound cues, get used to knowing what sounds correspond to and what you should do (e.g. when to dodge when you hear the sound of a hound, etc.)

[hollow ibex]

Well keep in mind that you’ll often need 10-20 pulls with Brunt to get the best roll.

And then you need to consecrate and empower

And that gets really expensive

Since you’re starting with grays from Brunt’s

[ornate tusk]

this is already at blue status

[hollow ibex]

Oh oh that’ll make it a lot cheaper

[ornate tusk]

how optimal is the shock maul in comparison to the power sword?

[hollow ibex]

Lot weaker, but less annoying to use

PS also requires specific blessings to not be shit

[paper grove]

Did anyone else buy the new shovel skin and not recieve it?

[crisp oak]

Hey, any veteran knife enjoyers here (trying to decide on a knife or the folding shovel for the kriegsman swtup)

[signal garden]

my core weapon is unironically the bayonet, of the weapons ive tried the shovel is probably best, and the tacax 2nd best

[crisp oak]

I mean yeah

But there comes a point when the bayonet isnt enough

(IE mixed hordes with maulers and crushers)

[signal garden]

maulers? stab them in the crotch

stun locks them too