veteran-class

[somber adder]

I mean, most, if not all of the people who are saying "X weapon is dead" or "only weapon Y is gonna be viable" haven't played it yet and only looked at a sheet with numbers. Wait and see how it turns out. The real havoc shit doesn't even start until like lvl 20 once you get to damnation difficulty

[cyan verge]

we have access already to all the mutator data

[wind grotto]

which seems fine for the outfits, the real insane shit is for people who want to play the fuck you this isn't balanced don't enter if you want a good time people

[cyan verge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[thorn lark]

some of us are talking with playtesters

and yeah, the hidden modifiers

[somber adder]

Second hand regurtitation then. Still not a reliable source.

[thorn lark]

lol, what?

[cyan verge]

this was put up by a tester so it's probably fairly reliable

[wind grotto]

build diversity is absolutely going to be dead when you hit the end of it, that is very unsurprising I don't know what to tell you

but the end of it is also going to be content that like .01% of the community plays

[white minnow]

it's difficulty-oriented content and going to be premades anyways,
with the state of current balance, it's going to be on the onus of players anyways to run whatever they want to get their enjoyment from it

hopefully havoc is a shift in mindset and we can get some balance stuff rolling

[somber adder]

Extremely late game content requires you to have very specific and optimized builds? No way

[open urchin]

Ah, my scoreboard mod is broken. sadge

[thorn lark]

'' only looked at a sheet with numbers'' that's how you calculate bps, not by using magic 😄

[torn gorge]

i mean

[wind grotto]

no bro you need to enter the mode with inflated enemy hp and mass to know that most melee and ranged are useless in it

[torn gorge]

if you only need x amount of runs

regardless of difficulty

for the cosmetics

[wind grotto]

yeah and only one 25+

[cyan verge]

anyway I have a feeling that once havoc's been out for a while they're gonna nerf it anyway

[wind grotto]

almost assuredly

[torn gorge]

you can do the easy ones that start at very low difficulty

[thorn lark]

you need to feel it in your body even

[wind grotto]

yeah i'll just be joining randoms that are doing baby difficulty after getting my 25+ done I thihnk

depending on how bad whatever diff I end up playing was

[torn gorge]

• Ranks 1 to 10 are Malice difficulty
• Ranks 11 to 20 are Heresy difficulty
• Ranks 21 to 30 are damnation difficulty

this is probably way easier than what you are already doing

at auric qp

[wind grotto]

well not quite true

some of the modifiers that are there every 5 are kind of insane

[thorn lark]

zealot knives cannot os specials past lvl11 😄

[torn gorge]

its a chance for a theme

every 5

[wind grotto]

yeah theres going to be a lot of people day 1 wondering why X doesn't one hit anymore or why most of the melee weapons do nothing(especially on pus skin)

[torn gorge]

[hasty pasture]

krak or frag

[wind grotto]

in havoc? absolutely frag

[ionic laurel]

Weapons literally won't function properly because they arent balanced around a random hp bloat, yes this does happen and in multiple games

Like revolver is dead straight up

[cyan verge]

the main problem too is we're also getting up to -75% ammo from pickups so uh yeah

[wind grotto]

I think it's way worse for melee than it is for guns

[cyan verge]

on top of enemies having like 50% more HP and so on

we're only getting 25% ammo

[ionic laurel]

Yep

If your gun no longer has breakpoints, you bleed ammo. That's a problem bc you get less ammo

[hasty pasture]

voice of command or exe stance for lasgun?

[torn gorge]

you also get more ammo spawns

[hasty pasture]

hellbore i mean

[cyan verge]

oh and - max toughness and - max hp

[wind grotto]

also the - hp% and - toughness is going to be real rough

[torn gorge]

since there is no plasteel/diamantine

[cyan verge]

voice of command

[wind grotto]

each tin is going to be 3.75%

enjoy your fucking nothing ammo pickup lmao

[cyan verge]

don't use the helbore imo

[torn gorge]

VoC because you can path more easily to agile engagement

and helbore melee triggers it

so get chopping

[cyan verge]

okay that is kinda sweet

[torn gorge]

helbore melee does good damage

you just dont have block options

[cyan verge]

there's other stuff in there too which is horrifying like the horde mass and stuff

yeah most melees are being obliterated by that

[torn gorge]

i mean

[wind grotto]

yeah I think the horde mass is really fucked up for most melee

[torn gorge]

depends on the combo

if you get cranial/slimes just click heads

[hasty pasture]

what keystone for hellbore/field shovel

for my krieg loadout

[cyan verge]

if doing agile engagement then take weapon spec I guess

[torn gorge]

i think i took the middle one

[austere mica]

Weapon spec doesn't work with bayonet

[cyan verge]

oh

[austere mica]

Kills with the bayonet give melee specialist

[cyan verge]

unfortunate

[torn gorge]

you dont get much value from MF

[cyan verge]

and swapping with it sucks

[torn gorge]

and you need to swap weapon to trigger WS

[cyan verge]

so yeah target is the best then

[torn gorge]

which you dont want to

[wind grotto]

yeah ws is kind of bad on the helbore just because it's very swap reliant

and enjoy your like 2 second swap to the helbore

[torn gorge]

if you pick a helbore you kinda want to main that weapon as much as possible

[cyan verge]

it's unnecessarily slow

I have no idea why they did it

[hasty pasture]

no idea how to play vet

so

idk how I made it to 30 without a real build

[cyan verge]

there's no reason for your guy to like wiggle that button every time he pulls it out

[torn gorge]

also remember that helbore hipfire is very accurate

[hasty pasture]

no idea what tree to pick

[torn gorge]

and you can ignore suppression basically

[ionic laurel]

Middle, survivalist, target bc it can't use weapon specialist

[cyan verge]

just speedrun to the bottom and pick all the good talents

[ionic laurel]

You pretty much want grenades up and regen on everything

[cyan verge]

ok I sleep but I'm plugging this clip again

[thorn lark]

OK

[austere mica]

Thats a shitty scoreboard wow

Where the fuck did that damage come from?

Nobody knows!

[somber axle]

203 disablers killed

tbh I think the damage is so wild because of the higher HP on everything plus all the extra modifiers like that hardened pus thing that makes some targets halve all incoming damage taken leading to damage numbers going wild while number of kills doesn't jump too much more

[gilded wraith]

Psyker pumped out some damage.

[somber axle]

every day I feel nudged closer to maining Psyker

[austere mica]

Psyker doesn't have twbs or good melee toughness

[gilded wraith]

And jsat wasn't even abusing macro spam for the video.

[austere mica]

An unfortunate occurrence

[thorn lark]

not sure that jsat is a macro abuser

it's beneath him

[gilded wraith]

Agreed, but someone doing it would have an even higher damage score.

[thorn lark]

m1 macro abuser can be reported

[gilded wraith]

Huh, didn't know that.

[hollow ibex]

don't need either on bonker tbh

though you do have to play more carefully in general

[austere mica]

Yeah

It just makes me feel glassy in melee without staff weaving

Why I like zealot more probably

[gilded wraith]

Does it have a significant benefit on anything other than staff spam?

[austere mica]

Psyker is a lot of fun but folding to a single flamer in a bad spot sucks

[hollow ibex]

it's part of the fun

knowing every moment might be your last while playing melee psyker

[thorn lark]

you're abusing quell cancel

that's the problem

[atomic zephyr]

quell cancel zzzzzz

why use the most boring part of a staff the cool bit is the next button over

[thorn lark]

exactly

[atomic zephyr]

might as well own up and pick up an autogun

[gilded wraith]

Wonder if mk3 power sword with sunder would work well?

Nice horizontal heavies.

[hollow ibex]

yes though still worse than mk6

[gilded wraith]

Drat, was hoping the hit mass/up changes in havoc would make it worthwhile

[copper verge]

this build is rly fun but im kinda missing the shredder frags ngl lol

just gotta get used to krak

the grenade regen and demo team is kinda nice ngl especially on damnation

esp if i have to clutch

Honestly

Really liking weapon master with psword

What other guns can i run with it besides recon las XIV

Also, am trying to directly compare builds rn

I have the weapon master build (left) and sleepycat’s build for the XIV (right)

Kinda used to laser spam tbh and i really like it so far, not feeling that much penalty from power sword either

[stoic thorn]

How I deadass watch as ALL THREE OF MY TEAMMATES GET KNOCKED OFF BY THE CHAOS SPAWN AND I DIE FROM THE ENSUING HORDE

[copper verge]

Chaos spawn movement and knockback moment

Let me guess

Gloriana?

[manic echo]

how do I post image?

I just got new wep it's Braced Autogun (Vraks-MK II)

I was wondering if it better than lasgun

the infantry lasgun

[warm flower]

bolt pistol is very satisfying to play with this combo

i run similar build

[copper verge]

oh i se

i might try, i have bolt pistol maxed

[warm flower]

im ingame cant be arsed to take better pics but here is my build and its invincible basically and super fun

wish i had 1 point more for Bring It Down

and this shit is 💋

[umbral parrot]

Give it %5 Crit chance.

[copper verge]

Not a bad idea tbh

Is it really better than elite damage

The 5% crit

[austere mica]

Do not

[supple stag]

It's not good

xd

stick to Elite + Maniac

[austere mica]

Crit as a perk is always worse than an armor type except for certain scenarios like psyker staves or crit chain guns

[manic echo]

sooo is it better than lasgun or should I stick with lasgun

[supple stag]

Both do different things

If you want something for specials and shooters, stick to lasgun

[manic echo]

ok

[warm flower]

why

and instead of what

[tall torrent]

No

[supple stag]

5% crit chance is pretty bad, don't run it

[warm flower]

just wanna hear why 😭

[umbral parrot]

Your weapon goes orange when you do.

[copper verge]

i thought it would be good since i mostly use it on big targets tbh but the elites seems more consistent now that ive tested

[umbral parrot]

That's all the reason you need.

[tall torrent]

It’s just not worth

[umbral parrot]

Also, the only way to get 50% with a Power Sword.

[warm flower]

ermm

idk man

[umbral parrot]

I do. It hits hard.

Buuuuut you're prob better off with something else. But i love it! You can't stop me!

[warm flower]

yep, to each their own:)

[umbral parrot]

Regardless, 50% is nice.

Dodge 5 times, +5 from the right tree, and then another +5 from your weapon? BAM, 50% crit chance. powered attacks.

That's like...1.5/3 crits there!

But yea. Go Maniac/Elite.

Pop Dreg Rager's head

[earnest bone]

@tall torrentwhat's the patch release time

5 am EST?

[warm flower]

oh also whats more valuable, +1 stamina or 5%ms?

cuz i can swap nodes

[earnest bone]

i like 5% ms more, +1 stamina isn't much

unlike +3 (Curios)

[grand perch]

I think you can just go through the middle top tree instead of additionally grabbing another branch for 2 points, which you could spend further down for stuff like bring it down

[warm flower]

i use weapon swap speed for weapon specialist, nice QoL feel for me and out for blood as a bonus towards my overall survivability, maybe i should try without out for blood? 🤔

i'd have one required point for bring it down that way

[grand perch]

Your mileage may vary but I rarely think taking two routes at the start is worth it when the best talents are at the bottom

[tall torrent]

Yea

[shadow dagger]

+3 stam is good enough that they didn't put stamina in the curio perk pool

[fleet garden]

when patch

[somber adder]

102 minutes

[serene pagoda]

Oh shoot, i thought it was goin to drop in 6 hours

[fleet garden]

wait it drops that early???

[somber adder]

Yes. The devs are based in sweden so it's 11 am for them when it drops, perfect time to monitor stuff

[thorn lark]

no lunch break

[fleet garden]

god skit

well gimme that havoc group then

[grand perch]

europe w

[placid portal]

After seeing relic sword I wonder if FS would make powersword like that ngl

[fleet garden]

europe login

[placid portal]

It would be cool

[fleet garden]

1hour

[austere mica]

No

They said the single activation design of the old ps would stay, or at least heavily implied it

[fossil schooner]

6 hours and 48 min remain

[tired harness]

Oof

[fossil schooner]

from ingame

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gossling-blade-runner-blade-runner-2049-purple-based-gif-10338804311867949447

[real pumice]

Hello, I was wondering what the prevailing opinions on lasguns (not hellbore) were at the moment?

[placid portal]

Update not out i guess?

[magic flume]

Very soon

33 mins

[stoic thorn]

Me likey

[placid portal]

Recon to be hosing hedds
Infantry is versatile

[real pumice]

Oh yeah, I mentioned not including hellbore. I forgot about Recon. I mainly meant the regular kind. Versatile and "me likey" sounds promising

[teal canyon]

Imo all lasguns are E/F tear guns, even recon

[earnest bone]

delayed

meh

[real pumice]

I'm getting back into the game after a break. Feels like everything's changed 😅 I'm looking over at gun options for my Veteran. I feel like people will judge me for using Plasma/Bolter so thinking of what other guns I'd like to use😄

E/F tear?

[slow sky]

30 min remain, that timer is just wrong

[loud belfry]

do we actually have 100% proof that it's wrong though? the post with the global map is technically for the "playstation 5 release"

[placid portal]

Right mla is good rounder
Mk12 is fallen behind lately
Mk4 is spam as hecc

[loud belfry]

i too think it's wrong but it's possible we're about to get memed

[teal canyon]

Double barrel good with weapon specialist.
Infantry Autoguns are solid.
Lasguns are worse variants of stabbers.
Laspistol ok.
Braced ok
Vigilant are better lasguns but still bad.
Combat shotguns kinda ok.
Revolvers are... Strange

[placid portal]

Now we need some envenomed devil claw

[rugged fiber]

the revolvers are bad

dogshit peepeepoopoo tier

[austere mica]

Tf you mean revolvers are strange

[real pumice]

Thank you, that's a helpful write up

[austere mica]

Sadly it isn’t accurate

[teal canyon]

They either kill everyone or do no damage

[real pumice]

Oh, I see. There is disagreement then 😄

[umbral scaffold]

Are boltguns even worth using now because of the new stubbers ogryns get to use

[thorn lark]

oO

[rugged fiber]

no just use the stubber instead of the boltgun

[earnest dew]

don't give a kark about what people think of you, if you enjoy using it use it. Bolter in the style right now if you want to give it a go.

[teal canyon]

Bolter is dedicated sniper rifle

[thorn lark]

clockshark

[austere mica]

It also lets you mulch elite packs if you have ammo spare

And bosses

[thorn lark]

also a fuck you we ball button if needed

[umbral scaffold]

I’m a veteran main and I feel like I’m being stripped of my job, lel my kriegsman doesn’t like change the abhumans are taking his job-this is a joke

[austere mica]

A bolter weakspot magdump is unrivaled

[austere mica]

Wdym stripped of your job

You job is kill things

[thorn lark]

you may want to larp, but that abhuman talk is a slippery slope

[austere mica]

Everyone does that and always has

[earnest dew]

I don't think ogryns can buff their weakspot damage from nodes though, plus we have survivalist and they dont lol.

[stark vector]

Anyone here know the time when kreig sets will be added to the store?

[earnest dew]

Now if ogryn gets survivalist though it's over for us lol.

[thorn lark]

bro kickback ogryns were putting vets out of job for a year already

[placid portal]

New ogryn snoipa, helbor mains in shambles

[umbral scaffold]

Veterans are more of a convience than a necessity now a days

[earnest bone]

we'l see in 20 minutes

[real pumice]

@earnest dew That's good advice. I have tried the Bolter recently on the zealot. Wow its so fun now. I felt maybe I should try something more daring on my veteran though. Maybe you are right and I should just stick to what I'm having fun with 😄

[loud belfry]

canceled

[teal canyon]

Helbore mains, ha, what a joke

[austere mica]

It’s just a class you can play it whenever

[earnest dew]

Going on an antedote, but I'm always like in yellow-red ammo cause i'm the only one on my team special sniping.

[umbral scaffold]

Dang I got canceled there goes my rations

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-8197900

[thorn lark]

with the kickback?

[earnest dew]

Bolter

[thorn lark]

same

on zealot and vet

[teal canyon]

They all dead faster than the helbore chargeup time

[umbral scaffold]

Fr

[placid portal]

But but but..... i hev marshall for 5+ FnP and take cover stratagem 😭😭😭😭

[umbral scaffold]

An increase on the one-shot capability to the head for Bolters would be nice

[earnest dew]

If you want to use bolter I recommend running pinning fire, surgical, shattering impact, or puncture. Your choice.

[teal canyon]

Pull out.
Charge up.
Wow, one guy dead.

Meanwhile Everyone else killed 30 guys

[austere mica]

You can oneshot everything but ogryns it doesn’t need more

[earnest dew]

Yeah that's about right lol.

[umbral scaffold]

I use surgical and shattering impact

[placid portal]

Am using pinning surgical

[earnest dew]

Do you use shout or exec stance?

[grand perch]

What a simplistic and bad take

[placid portal]

Ex

[umbral scaffold]

I use executioners stance

[placid portal]

Sure shout can cancel draw time iirc

[umbral scaffold]

I use shout for the helbore

[teal canyon]

Oh wow you missed head of that pox! He not even dead tho

[placid portal]

Stelth snoiping

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-waiting-piss-gif-27404794

[umbral scaffold]

I use shout More as a medic not really for combat enhancement

[earnest dew]

I stopped using shout for like a wile cause I was bored of it lol. I like seeing specials line up behind thi cover and sniping.

Damn I cant spell.

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-sniper-sniper-meet-the-team-gif-8909032002974133216

[teal canyon]

Hellbore should chargeup passively, not when you actually need to shoot

[earnest dew]

It just be a lesser kantreal.

[umbral scaffold]

The slowest version needs stagger with its bayonet on those ragers

[placid portal]

Except the faxt hellbores kil carapace but that isnt too big

[placid portal]

The melee should be a buttstrike to overhead slasj

[umbral scaffold]

Then that defeats the purpose of even having a bayonet

[placid portal]

Like psyker staff melee

[placid portal]

Mk4 only the stabby can keep their stab

[austere mica]

The charge time is entirely minimal wdym

If you find the charge time too long switch to a lighter variant

[placid portal]

At that point it would be better to use infantry las

[umbral scaffold]

I like the way the charge is done but I wish you could press a button to stop the round instead of having to press the special ability or swapping weapons

[austere mica]

I run the lightest if I remember and still meet some pretty nice breakpoints while also being able to boardsweep ranged enemies

[austere mica]

Inflas sucks though

[teal canyon]

Who designed a lasgun that shoot when you loose the trigger? Just pet it recharge on its own when not shooting

[austere mica]

Doesn’t feel good

[austere mica]

That’s how you shoot yourself in the ass

Or get the gun to melt

[placid portal]

Fallout las musk3t

[austere mica]

Or have the barrel warp

Or a battery cook off

[umbral scaffold]

The Lucious pattern lasgun is a type of helgun

They’re meant to handle this kind of wear and tear

[teal canyon]

Because using it is a type of hell

[placid portal]

Pretty they considered volatile that it would blow up on you

[austere mica]

No weapon is made to be under stress 24/7

[umbral scaffold]

That’s if you over charge it into a krak greande

[teal canyon]

Oh. Let, not pet. Lol

[umbral scaffold]

Only the focus crystal needs to be changed everything else can go 24/7

[austere mica]

That’s

[pale pecan]

Anyone else sad Vet didn't get the Power Greatsword?

[austere mica]

Not how electronics work

Especially anything high stress like say

A directed energy weapon

[umbral scaffold]

Tell that to the mechanicus and the administratum

[pale pecan]

I personally was really looking forward to GS Vet

[placid portal]

Nah vets get solar auxilla lasguns

[solar bone]

Meh

Vet

[teal canyon]

Press button. Capacitor start charging.
Why. Just let capacitor be charged all the time

[solar bone]

They will get like a whole patch to themselves soon knowing sharkfat

no mercy

[pale pecan]

Prob

[austere mica]

Because if you hadn’t noticed the helbore already has an issue of going off after the charge is held

[pale pecan]

Longlas and Melta incoming

[austere mica]

It would just discharge every 5 seconds on your back

[solar bone]

They're gonna mald about all the Ogryn snipers i nthe game and next thing you know they're have a lightsaber and a lassniper of some kind and still die to 3 pox walkers

[umbral scaffold]

But anyways hopefully the Bolters don’t feel like they’re becoming obsolete due to the ogryns new heavystubber

[pseudo fiber]

They won't.

At all

[placid portal]

Ogryns now new age sniper, go back to melee sah

[austere mica]

Why would bolter be obselete

The stubbers and bolter are very different

[umbral scaffold]

Have you seen the new stubbers

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[umbral scaffold]

They one shot a strong amount of things

[austere mica]

Bolter is a high damage high burst potential weapon with extremely high cleave

[austere mica]

So does a helbore

Does it make a bolter obsolete?

[pseudo fiber]

And? Bolter has more magdump plus stagger.

And is also on an entirely different class.

[umbral scaffold]

That some of the Bolters need enhancements to one shot in the “head”

[placid portal]

But helbor slow as heck and by the time it draws the gun out usually its dead or stagger locked

[austere mica]

Bolter also draws slow as shit tbf

Just not that slow

[umbral scaffold]

Yes because a helbore can oneshot an unarmored ogryn In the head

[fossil basalt]

Helbores just need cleave

Like, more cleave
Just give it all the cleave
Thanks

[placid portal]

True but it does damage immediately

[austere mica]

Bistol can oneshot a crusher

[placid portal]

Friendly fire on modifier when

[austere mica]

Bolter can’t though which is kinda funny

[fossil basalt]

unironically, please

[umbral scaffold]

Since when can a bolt pistol one shot a crusher

[austere mica]

But bolter can still oneshot everything it needs to

[placid portal]

True

[austere mica]

Since it originally dropped

It could do that day 1

[umbral scaffold]

Not once had that happened, and I want video proof

[austere mica]

I had a build that could do so in fact

[austere mica]

BRB then

[fossil basalt]

Bistol go BANGBANG

[placid portal]

How does bolt pistol do 4k damage in 1 shot?

[earnest dew]

It's because of that blessing that is like 100% more weakspot critical damage?

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/sidious-gif-23045074

[umbral scaffold]

What’s that one called

How can I learn this power

[austere mica]

Behold

A meme build

[earnest dew]

Deadly accurate there it is.

man if only Bolter could get deadly accurate.

[fossil basalt]

BANG

[umbral scaffold]

Oh ok so the marksman focus I’m guessing plays a big roll

[austere mica]

Just the rending

The damage can be gotten elsewhere

The rending is what makes the breakpoint

[umbral scaffold]

Wait deadly accurate is there now

[austere mica]

Always has been

[umbral scaffold]

Bruh

[fossil basalt]

Bistol has some fun kit ngl

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe I missed something

Do you need executioners stance for that though

[earnest dew]

Exec stance gives you +25% range dmg and +25% weakspot damage and you can pair it with Markman and for the empror.

[placid portal]

Now we can become commissar

[austere mica]

I won’t be caught dead running shout

[umbral scaffold]

Dang I wonder if you can do the same with the boltgun

That would make my dreams come true if that were possible

[earnest dew]

To one shot with bolter no, but you can do high burst dmg with the bolter.

[austere mica]

Can’t

No DA

[placid portal]

Hip fire unloading is fun but not effective in terms of ammo usage

[umbral scaffold]

Oh well guess what I’ve got we’ll have to do

[placid portal]

Recon lasgun is insane wtf

[umbral scaffold]

It takes about 4-5 rounds to the head to kill a crusher for me

[austere mica]

You can do 4 to the body easy

No ranged investment

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe cause I’m a console player some of the aspects are bit iffy

Xbox player to be exact

[austere mica]

Shouldn’t change it

Zealot can do 4 shots to the body and kill at any range

[umbral scaffold]

Veterans where my questions are at

[austere mica]

That’s basically irrelevant here

Zealot has zero ranged boosts and can pull this breakpoint

[umbral scaffold]

Isn’t this the veteran channel

[austere mica]

That’s just a guideline

[fossil basalt]

yeah it's funny how recons have either been complete ass or peak

[placid portal]

now it's mad crzy

No aim no brain hose heads and things die

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/guidlines-pirates-of-the-caribbean-hector-babossa-georffrey-rush-gif-7844913

[fossil basalt]

and with a crit build, one of the most ammo efficient weapons you'd ever have

[umbral scaffold]

I’m not a fan of those lasguns but then again they outpace my favorite lasguns, the kantrael and lucious lasguns

[austere mica]

Helbore can beat it at higher than 100%

[fossil basalt]

yeah but it's a helbore

[umbral scaffold]

That’s if you got the right build and have impeccable aim

[placid portal]

Helbores are fun once you max stack weight of fire but until then you kinda suffer

[austere mica]

Not really

You just need surgical and shock troop

Wait until you have a confirm crit

Fire

Spend no ammo

[umbral scaffold]

That’s what I mean

[pseudo fiber]

The update is out btw

[austere mica]

You don’t need perfect aim for that

Just

[placid portal]

Save the 0.9s with deadshot

[austere mica]

1 talent and 1 blessing

[umbral scaffold]

If you want to have secure kill you do

[placid portal]

even without crits mk4 1 shots a good majority of specials and elites iirc?

[umbral scaffold]

I’m decent at hitting headshots but the stress becomes real when there’s a horde of ragers and you’re melee is a chainsword as a veteran

and your gun is the tan helbore

[placid portal]

Am Krieger, Kalm as a corpse

[umbral scaffold]

Then you’re already dead, I’ve no time to be calm that’s when they get you

[shadow dagger]

this is the part where you count your shredders and hope your dodge counter resets in time

[umbral scaffold]

Even worse is I use krak grenades

[placid portal]

ew krak

Esp using Tan helbore?

[umbral scaffold]

Yup

It’s how I roll

[placid portal]

That's even double bruh

[umbral scaffold]

That’s how you roll

[placid portal]

Krak users when the hoarde isn't Carapace/Unyielding

[umbral scaffold]

But if you could stagger the ragers with bayonet with the tan helbore that would be a god send

[placid portal]

*sure krak sticks to Flak

[shadow dagger]

that feels a little uhh

overinvested for armor damage

[placid portal]

real

Tan already 2/3taps crusher

[umbral scaffold]

If you got that good aim

[placid portal]

?

it's.... a crusher

[umbral scaffold]

With surgical

You need to land headshots if you’re not using executioners stance

[placid portal]

pretty sure crusher heads are large enuff

[umbral scaffold]

I probably should be landing executioners stance but I run shout with my helbore kit

[earnest dew]

Finally I can play the new update.

[placid portal]

Praise Sigmar

Stagger is not your frien as heckbore

[umbral scaffold]

Just to get people back on their feet when they’re downed, I know people say not to have revive shout but their usually glad when I do, so it’s more up to ironics and skill

[placid portal]

ngl I have met only two people with revive shout

[umbral scaffold]

The amount of games I’ve saved because of it is uncanny especially on Xbox

I wonder if the Xbox players are still gonna have a console bar fight on darktide with ga-i mean play station players

[shadow dagger]

good thing about typing is that there's a backspace

no need to stumble over your words

if you want to say something say it

[placid portal]

??? guh

[shadow dagger]

if you don't, delete it entirely

[umbral scaffold]

It’s joke sentence

You know the console wars

[placid portal]

So Danktide is now Fully crossplay?

[umbral scaffold]

Yep

[placid portal]

Cor

[frank ledge]

Having fun bosses?

Hope so!

[earnest dew]

I'm about to head in.

[grand perch]

oh yeah baby break all my mods lets go

[placid portal]

can't, gotta work

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rael-gif-943215023730044045

But if I do, I will troll with Sly Marbo Shredder Pistol Claw build

[pseudo fiber]

"Removed hitstun from gunners"

[iron juniper]

guys, there is something wrong with guns positions in inventary

[regal belfry]

would you make a vet or zealot for the Event

i think to delete him afterwards again

[sick cedar]

Any changes for vets in the new update?

[balmy flume]

Well shit.
Scab ragers have carapace chest armour now…

[balmy flume]

No, us Vets don’t get any direct fixes/updates.

Also not veg related but

Apparently Telekine Dome no longer stops mutant charges.

[undone jungle]

New cool Vet cosmetic

Ig

[umbral scaffold]

Bolters it is

[heavy rover]

Wait what?

[balmy flume]

Patch notes part 2

Under the Ragers section

Always go for headshots now.

Always.

[heavy rover]

Well that spices things up then

[balmy flume]

On the other hand

Krak users can rejoice.

The utility of that nade has just increased massively.

[heavy rover]

True

Plus also melee weapons with Carapace perk found more viability

[graceful sundial]

Most weapons absolutely are baaaad with carapace though

+25% of not much ain't much

[uncut pebble]

No they didn't. Scab ragers just became intimidating because shitters can't kill them anymore.

Just aim for the face (like you should always be doing) and you'll be fine.

[balmy flume]

Perfection

[umbral scaffold]

The weapon is a necessity now to stay alive

[graceful sundial]

They jerkin around to much

[umbral scaffold]

Like what they dodge now

[uncut pebble]

They are slow asf, just dodge and headshot.

[balmy flume]

Bolt weapons and Powerswords will see massive increase in demand.

[uncut pebble]

Doubt.

[graceful sundial]

Are we playing the same game!
They head bobble all over

[uncut pebble]

Yes. Dodge them, headshot them.

It's not complicated, they are still slow.

[graceful sundial]

Nope

Slow is not what they are

[uncut pebble]

Scab ragers.

Not dregs.

Scabs.

[umbral scaffold]

Meanwhile me with my chainsword

[graceful sundial]

Yea
Ragers

That run at you

[umbral scaffold]

For the emperor

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, scab ragers. They are slow.

[graceful sundial]

Huh?

[uncut pebble]

Headshot them.

[balmy flume]

I am in between the two opinions.
Scab Ragers are slow, they do bob, but because they are closing in on you.
Headshots are still viable.
You do need to keep a cool head, and dodge backwards.

[graceful sundial]

They exactly as fast as the naked dudes

[balmy flume]

Dodging backwards in a straight line gives you time to line up a nice headshot

[uncut pebble]

...

Their attacks are slow.

You can dodge them just fine.

[graceful sundial]

Can not confirm

[umbral scaffold]

No the armor less ones are on crack once they start swinging at you

[uncut pebble]

Well that sucks for you, doesn't it? I can confirm that they are slow.

[balmy flume]

(We be talking about the armoured ones though)

[graceful sundial]

I never noticed any difference in their behaviour

At all

[uncut pebble]

I am literally a zealout player.

I hold them off so you don't get mulched.

[coarse wolf]

same

[uncut pebble]

I think I know what enemies are fast and what enemies are slow.

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah the armored ones dodge I guess now but are still slow

[graceful sundial]

Very kind of you fanatic

[uncut pebble]

Psyker. 🫵

[balmy flume]

But really, worst come to worst, nade them to topple them onto the ground, then go to town on their fallen asses.

[uncut pebble]

Vets don't call us fanatic.

[umbral scaffold]

Fraggin witch, waste of a uniform you are

[graceful sundial]

Honestly psyker couldn't care less about carapace rager

[uncut pebble]

Vets call zealouts "priest."

[umbral scaffold]

Don’t forget the big Man

[graceful sundial]

Priest
Fanatic
And Shouty

[uncut pebble]

Now here's the question, what do zealouts call zealouts?

[umbral scaffold]

Guardians

[uncut pebble]

Yarp.

[shadow dagger]

it feels a little silly that the quintessential melee berserker enemy wears the heaviest armor type

[graceful sundial]

Smart of them

Tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Not against my bolter though

[graceful sundial]

Wulfer had them take a armour class

[shadow dagger]

i feel like it would be a little more in line with expectations if they had a modifier or another internal carapace body part that you couldnt hit normally

just to rein in the silly bleed/burn rager sweeps

[umbral scaffold]

That’s be nice

My only thing that makes me hate them more than the unarmored ones is the random yelling of “SEX” when they try to bludgeon my head with an axe or pipe

[uncut pebble]

Vets call:
Vets, soldier
Zealouts, priest
Psykers, witch
Ogryns, big man

Zealouts call:
Vets, templar
Zealouts, guardian
Psykers, freak/psyker
Ogryns, slab

Psykers call:
Vets, roughneck
Zealouts, fanatic
Psykers, sibling
Ogryns, ogryn

Ogryns call:
Vets, boss/sah
Zealouts, shouty
Psykers, sparkhead
Ogryns, pal

There are some specific lines that deviate from this, such as fem savant saying "Now I see why the veteran has survived so long."

But there ya go, now you know what everyone calls each other.

[umbral scaffold]

Compliments only mean something from professionals

[uncut pebble]

Fake.

Judge compliments where he sees fit.

[umbral scaffold]

The emperors wrath flows

[grand perch]

hab dreyko maelstrom, first team

2 guys are down and have left before the first airlock

some havoc apsirnats those are i tell you

[uncut pebble]

The first few levels of havoc is gonna be what gates good players from bad ones.

They will not survive beyond havoc 5.

[umbral scaffold]

Oh

[balmy flume]

Well update installed.
Time to head out to office for work so I don’t distract myself.

[balmy flume]

Also you have to survive a Maelstrom mission to unlock Havoc, so there is that there as well

To ensure quality of players to some degree.

[brittle sun]

jea maelstrom t4 uhhhhhh that will be the worsed ^^

[teal canyon]

Its funny to me that auric is easier than 5 just because of players quality

[thorn lark]

@tall torrent i was so right

[stoic thorn]

THEY DID WHAT TO THE DREG RAGERS???

CARAPACE ON THE TORSO???

[grand perch]

aim for head as always

[stoic thorn]

I ALREADY STRUGGLE ENOUGH WITH HORDES OF THEM

[stoic thorn]

If it were only that simple

Born to infantry las, forced to magdump boltgun

[grand perch]

magdumping them is precisely what you should not do with bolter

[stoic thorn]

Forced to use 4 bolts exactly

[grand perch]

youll just spray the carapace instead of hitting flak heads with aimed shot

[grand perch]

atta boy

[stoic thorn]

It's easier said than done

[uncut pebble]

Scab.

Not dregs.

Scabs.

[stoic thorn]

Oh yeah mb

They also made the dreg ragers attack slower I think?

[uncut pebble]

Just keep your cool, aim for the face.

[stoic thorn]

That's better I guess

My screen is a rainbow atp

Every colour on it is on my screen

Psykers are actually a nuisance when I'm playing with them

Flamer psyker makes my screen blue out

Flamer zealot makes my screen orange out

[serene bough]

mmm

game keeps crashing before entering mourning star

some mods must be incompatable

[loud belfry]

---

Current mods with issues after Havoc update

• Numeric UI
• Spidey Sense UPDATED
• Dynamic Crosshair
• Power DI
• Warp Unbound Timer UPDATED
• Loadout Monitor
• Chat Block
• Share Talents UPDATED
• Warp God
• Tome Markers
• Danger Zone

[serene bough]

always numericUI

[balmy flume]

Also enjoy your compulsory Maelstrom mission

Before you properly get to start attempting Havoc mode

[iron juniper]

well thats sad

[hardy comet]

looks like new krieger helmet

[umbral scaffold]

This is modded huh

[hardy comet]

any news on numeric ui getting an update? mod should be vanilla at this point

[pseudo fiber]

Nope

[umbral scaffold]

This is in the shop!?!

[pseudo fiber]

Not yet but it should be soon

[hardy comet]

not yet, mod lets me see it

will likely be on the page next to recoloured krieger

[umbral scaffold]

Oh my goodness

I guess it’s time to say bye bye to da monies

[devout saddle]

New Powersword for Vet please!

[dry cloak]

Wont happen

Relicc sword is zealot only. Count for a rework maybe

[devout saddle]

So sad, cause vet has a melee-tree and could really make use of it... combined with a Sniper it could make a funny heavy-weapons-combo

[dry cloak]

Wet is supposed to be a ranged class

Also typicall soldier dont have even rudimentary knife training

[hexed pike]

big ass power claymore goes hard

[grand perch]

We are doing wet work after all

[dry cloak]

I wrote vet as wet because of my languages spelling of veteran

[hardy comet]

looks like they finally are adding the red n blue gold shop items (not available yet)

[earnest bone]

Danger zone is ded? dang

[loud belfry]

plus fx limiter

[hexed pike]

awesome stat distribution

[balmy flume]

So has anyone tried the new mission?

Any gimmicks to be aware of?

[umbral parrot]

Of to work. How's HAVOC?

[serene bough]

i like it

pretty standard w/ a cool end objective

[cyan verge]

does it have new enemies or a new boss

[serene bough]

havent started havoc yet

[serene bough]

no

but character banter adds lore

[cyan verge]

a shame it sounded from the writer interview the other day that they were like hinting that something spooky would be summoned from the warp via ritual

[serene bough]

its still a good mission, the end stretch is far more interesting than the beginning/mid sections

[devout saddle]

the why give him a tree and keystone with big focus on melee? then change it to more ranged stuff but this is kinda weird... and ogryn getting a "sniper"-heavystubber to play more roles in combat but melee-vet cant be thing? there is something wrong i think

[dry cloak]

Can be a thing but dont coubt on getting any 2h weapons

[somber axle]

Wdym melee Vet is both viable and really strong

[placid portal]

I thought vet was more of a jack of all class

[dry cloak]

And best ranged

[serene bough]

vet definitely is more melee/range hybrid after the talent tree update

you can crank some pretty silly melee damage numbers if built correctly

although, idk how well it'll survive in havoc

[placid portal]

Devil Claw vet for Full Catachan experience

[crude wind]

Weapon swap ironhelm is one of the best melee centric builds in the game imo

[dry cloak]

Thats zealot we talking veteran

[teal canyon]

They didnt add catachan guns on vet

[devout saddle]

i he really is and thats why more meleeweapon options would be very cool. right now its normal powersword or maybe chainsword but everything else is kinda mid to bad

[crude wind]

last time I checked weapon swap was a veteran keystone

[dry cloak]

Ironhelm is a thunder hammer. Db is crucis now

[placid portal]

Sly Marbo uses a shredder pistol

[crude wind]

ohh they changed the name, my bad

[teal canyon]

Guns, not pews

[placid portal]

Catachans use lasguns and flamers

[dry cloak]

Catachans use knives

[placid portal]

Beeg Knives

[dry cloak]

And are fucking tall

[teal canyon]

Catachan have big guns and even bigger pews

[cyan verge]

catachans probably use shotguns

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[devout saddle]

lets all vets stand together and ask: Why Vet didnt get a new Weapon for such a big Birthday and Update?!

Would be more nice with a new weapon for every class, so nobody feels left out for christmas ^^

[dry cloak]

Because youre geeting stuff next patch

[grand perch]

Vet has enough weapons

[dry cloak]

This

[placid portal]

Vet probs have the most amount of guns

[short fern]

what exactly are people talking about when they say vet nerfed? Talents look same? voc and iron will still look like bad boys to me

[dry cloak]

Most ammount of weapons

[oblique totem]

Did vets get anything this update?

[grand perch]

Sounds like idle complaining to me

[devout saddle]

But its big update and everyone else get something 🥲
is it the players fault that vet got a lot of weapons? dont think so

[dry cloak]

Vet wasnt nerfed but people want vet to be nerfed

Its still statistically best class

[grand perch]

We call those people stupid

[short fern]

I mean voc and iron will are 2 talents alone that are kinda busted rn but I was just wondering

[cyan verge]

if they want other classes to be comparable they should just receive buffs

[serene bough]

VoC, Tac Awareness, and Iron will are an absolutely busted combo

[slow spade]

they should give Ogryn Voc UwU

it definitely won't be bullshit strong UwU

[serene bough]

30s CD for full THP + gold THP, full stagger on all enemies with 75% THP damage reduction, and 20% cdr when killing specialist

[grand perch]

RASHUNS SAH!
toughness restored

[serene bough]

all just a few points away from one another

[slow spade]

specialists only sadly :c

[serene bough]

oops

[slow spade]

imagine if it proc'd on elites lol

[serene bough]

still absolutely busted

[slow spade]

Auric Hunting Grounds is basically a free win with a VoC vet

[serene bough]

vet unironically the most tanky with this set up and thats only one

bring 2+ vets w/ VoC set up and the entire game becomes a snoozer zzzzz

[umbral scaffold]

Vet is almost equal to melee in zealot with specialist and best ranged and team buff with VoC

specialist with out for blood makes a good vet practically immortal

[serene bough]

yeah, im not even considering the other toughness regen talents at the top

the set up does require a nerf somewhere

[void lava]

did they nerf dualing sword

[umbral scaffold]

Hell, vet literally can regen all toughness in combat less than half second

without VoC, with just killing hordes and swapping weapon

[serene bough]

OfB proccing on shredder grenade kills is pretty nuts

toss a few frags and you're at full THP again

[void lava]

did they nerf dualing sword?

[umbral scaffold]

with specialist's weapon speed and stam regen, dueling sword and knife can surpass knife zealot

[serene bough]

no

[umbral scaffold]

plasma having full surpession immunity and fastest draw speed, you can literally one tap crushers, draw dueling sword, one tap another crusher,

[void lava]

what stats are best to be 80% and what should be 60%?

[umbral scaffold]

vet can carry whole team, zelie can solo whole game

[serene bough]

60% mobility/defences

either or

[fading yarrow]

Frens, is there anything new in the Commissary?

[void lava]

tyyyy

[cyan verge]

sick of people talking about like the hypotheticals of what classes can do when in reality things are very different

[slow spade]

in reality, all the classes suck because PUGs use them

[serene bough]

the dogma of which class should do what is somewhat an artefact of the game pre-talent tree, but with havoc we may see a return to relying on these roles to compensate for weaknesses of others

[inland orchid]

I love making crushers fall over with 1 plasma shot, id prefer it kill them but then there’d be no fun for my other squadmates

[slow spade]

plasma cannon when?

I want AOE plasma gun

[umbral scaffold]

We need a plasma buff!

[cyan verge]

plasma cannon would probably be a little too much hardware for rejects, it's kinda wild that we get a plasma gun or a power sword as it is

[slow spade]

we should get a Plasma Destroyer

[grand perch]

I have a model somewhere that solo carries an entire plasma cannon. It's okay, it's got a grip

[slow spade]

titan-grade weapons pls

[serene bough]

lets just get the entire imperator class titan

[slow spade]

yippie :D

[serene bough]

man, i cant spell this morning

[slow spade]

GW only knows Warlords anyways

[dusky raven]

what is this

[slow spade]

I was kind of hoping we'd see some warhounds or something

as I like them the most (not a furry) c:

[cyan verge]

it's a script error

[void lava]

waht should be 60 for duling sword?

[cyan verge]

guide in the pins

read it

[oblique totem]

Reading is too difficult

[void lava]

i cant find where it says

[torn gorge]

[placid portal]

I just ditch mobility

[void lava]

ty

[placid portal]

I am not reputable source btw

[void lava]

too late

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[crisp oak]

Give melta

[cyan verge]

melta, more like, metagun

[inland orchid]

We already have hitscan that makes everything die

It’s called plasma

[cyan verge]

ima let you in on a secret. the meltagun has been in the game for 6 months you just haven't unlocked it yet

[tame lodge]

Mobility then Cleave

Preferably mobility

[crisp oak]

Want beam

Of death

[inland orchid]

We got blue beam of death atm, if u want the red one you’ll have to play Boltgun

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-gif-18413221543257794048

[clear mist]

I were thinking of getting the shovel to mastery 20 what perks and blessings are good?

[uncut pebble]

Any combination of skullcrusher, uncanny, or decimator, then flak maniac for perks for the mk1 shovel.

Can't say for flip shovels because honestly I find them to be quite annoying to use.

[cyan verge]

the folded shovel is godly

[void lava]

ty

[cyan verge]

it does a ridiculous amount of damage

also

if you have the mk V DS then it's defences not mobility

[clear mist]

Woude it be the same perks and blessings for the flip shovel? i wanna try both and see what I pref

[umbral parrot]

How's HAVOC?

[cyan verge]

check the guide

[earnest bone]

just got booted with this

[cyan verge]

if you are just using the shovel to raise the mastery then like

it probably does not matter a lot

[earnest bone]

some mods still broken

[fringe lake]

is Helbore a meme weapon

[clever hedge]

Yes

[fringe lake]

I tried it today for the first time cause I never got the appeal and god damn is it bad

they need to rework it

[crude wind]

The Hellebore unfortunately sucks

[torn gorge]

you just have to play around it

[crude wind]

Feels worse than the whole Kantrael family which is definitely B tier right now

[torn gorge]

it is not a nimble weapon

by design

[crude wind]

The maniac damage on them is so bad

And unfortunately that's the most important damage class

[torn gorge]

[crude wind]

HH autos have the same issue but they don't have the garbage wield time

[torn gorge]

vigilant autoguns are probably worse than helbore tbh

[crude wind]

Yeah

[serene bough]

The las weapons are generally pretty great rn

[crude wind]

It's a close race either way

To the bottom

[serene bough]

Helbores are the exception lol

[crude wind]

Recons seem to be top dog las weapon atm not including pistols

What a world

[dreamy aspen]

where's the guide here?

[crude wind]

I remember when they were piss hoses

[tall torrent]

Pinned

[serene bough]

Recon is definitely best of the las weapons atm, probably ilas is next in line

Maybe the laspistol is equal or better, havent used in a while

[torn gorge]

maybe outside of havoc

[crude wind]

The og las pistol is still as insane as it ever was

Just not popular

[torn gorge]

raise the health pool and recon go back in the dumpster

[serene bough]

I probably won't get to try havoc until this weekend

[crude wind]

Recon is great in havoc because infernus overrides pus hardened armour

People will figure out soon you have to build for the later levels of havoc

[tall torrent]

Absolutely

[crude wind]

You can't just rock up with your regular builds and expect to do well

[serene bough]

Id guess various amounts of rending/brittleness will be mandatory

To combat the high hp/armor

[crude wind]

Armour mods aren't affected by rending

Pus hardened armour for example

[placid portal]

Just straight up mitigation?

[crude wind]

Yep

That's why dots are so good

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s flat [x? ranged damage]

[serene bough]

Bleed works well then?

For pus armor

[tall torrent]

DOT bypass ranged damage mitigation

[serene bough]

I see

Good to know

[torn gorge]

its battle wizard all over again

[earnest bone]

anyone

got an idea

which mod is this

[rose reef]

fellows of the guard what are we thinking about the devils claw

[earnest bone]

weapon customization probably

[torn gorge]

that is mediocre at best

and really suffers from lack of cleave coupled with terrible armour performance

[cyan verge]

I just said

spidey sense

[rose reef]

i want to try it but cant give up my powersword

[pseudo fiber]

Spider sense i think

[serene bough]

Tbh its probably one of the worst melee options

[earnest bone]

damn

[rose reef]

damn

[serene bough]

For vet at least

[torn gorge]

get something that can deal with armour

[tall torrent]

Yk the funny thing is
Even Tac axe is better than DC sword on veteran

[torn gorge]

and its serviceable

[earnest bone]

it was literally just updated

[cyan verge]

devils claw is not very good, it's like ok if you just want to stay alive in hordes but it's not gonna kill them, you can at least parry maulers and crushers and ragers kinda but eh

[earnest bone]

but now broken instead like Danger Zone

[fading yarrow]

Might be the sex mod

[rose reef]

this gets me through everything i have had it for a year

[cyan verge]

yes spidey sense was updated, yes it is still broken

I know because I was using it and disabled it and it worked

disable spidey sense

[serene bough]

meta melee weapons are best characterized by their ability to deal with armor as one variable

[grand perch]

i enjoy this arrangement of letters

[crude wind]

It's good into rangers/maniac/infest and unarmored. Okay vs unyielding specifically the parry

If you run it you will need an AP gun

[rose reef]

understandable

[crude wind]

The parry can one shot dreg rangers with a head shot

And you can solo plogryn/spawn with a little practice

[cyan verge]

oh good that cost you half a stamina bar now what do you do about the other 10 ragers on you

[grand perch]

dont let the slander get to you, helbores are all good weapons

[crude wind]

Perfect parry doesn't use stamina iirc

[tall torrent]

No, up to 2 stamina

[rose reef]

the hellbore is good?!

[cyan verge]

oh is that so, that is kind of nice

[crude wind]

Need to double check that

[cyan verge]

but

[crude wind]

Ty!

[cyan verge]

it's not a duelling sword 4

so

opportunity cost

[tall torrent]

This is unaffected by block efficiency

[grand perch]

yes absolutely

[crude wind]

,who cares about Ds 4 it's days are numbered

Play without a crutch

[cyan verge]

lol

[tall torrent]

anyone know what this means

GUID: dd511325-2ff3-4271-9251-f6af21c34c40
Log File:
Info Type:

[Script Error]: scripts/managers/ui/ui_hud.lua:228: attempt to index local 'class' (a boolean value)

[serene bough]

It does damage but it's slow to draw and overall clunky

[cyan verge]

probably numeric hud

numeric hud is not okay right now

do not use it

[tall torrent]

Numeric UI?

[cyan verge]

yeah

that one

[grand perch]

helbore is one of those git gud weapons, you have to keep using it until it clicks

[serene bough]

@tall torrent

[cyan verge]

imo why bother trying to use the helbore until it works when you could just bring any actually good weapon and then always be effective

especially if we're talking about like. aurics. maelstrom. havoc

[serene bough]

Variety is the spice of life, its why people enjoy weapons that aren't meta

[tall torrent]

Alr I uninstalled numeric UI

[grand perch]

you can use whatever you like. but dont knock weapons just because they take time to learn

[tall torrent]

Time to see if it works

[cyan verge]

you don't have to uninstall anything just remove from load order

[serene bough]

Beating a more difficult challenge w/o the most optimized load out is enjoyable

[tall torrent]

Bought death Korps grenadier helmet, about to load into veteran
immediate CTD

[pseudo fiber]

Damnation

[earnest bone]

• Spidey Sense

also i get error from Crosshair mod

but its not a crash

it happens once and disappear

[tall torrent]

Dw I don’t use those

[rose reef]

Commisar dukane got some balls "'prove to me'' bitch you prove to me! I been down there

[cyan verge]

yeah I don't like this NPC

[rose reef]

shes a commisar ur not supposed to

[cyan verge]

no I mean

[rose reef]

just have to listen

[cyan verge]

I don't like this NPC

[grand perch]

the fact their very first deployment almost ended in desaster if the rejects hadnt intervened should teach dukane some much needed humility

like "oh shit they kinda know what theyre doing"

[serene bough]

I dont think you're going to teach a commissar humility any time soon

[keen skiff]

i just witnessed a gunner walking and spraying me

holy shit.

theyre learning

[grand perch]

well no but there are reasonable commissars. dukane...i dont count her among them

[keen skiff]

can we kill her and take her drip

[serene bough]

Speaking of reasonable commisars, tanith first & only drip when?

[grand perch]

ME WANT

[slow spade]

if she executes someone do we get +100% attack speed still?

[crude wind]

Dukane is a bad ass

[grand perch]

if im not getting drookian fenguard, tanith will do

[wicked epoch]

The mission i beat before that was literally an auric mael rolling steel

[grand perch]

i got sent into hab dreyko dump

[cyan verge]

the fact there isn't a single nod to the tanith in this game is pretty surprising

demonstrates a certain kind of restraint imo because

dan abnett's a writer

[grand perch]

maybe theres a legal issue? dont know

or they all died by now, their gear scrapped and lost

[cyan verge]

people say sometimes like "oh GW is responsible" so who knows maybe that's why

[slow spade]

its not like GW makes it hard to not blame them :p

[cyan verge]

it would just be a big laughable joke if someone like dan abnett who is the writer has to go to GW from the darktide team and say hey GW can we use such and such in this game and someone at GW goes uh no, that would violate the canon or lore or something

but I would believe it if someone said that was true

[pseudo fiber]

It would totally happen tho

[cyan verge]

I would like to believe there's ONE nod and that is the fact that our lasguns can have a wooden stock

let me use a better image

[grand perch]

i mean those arent limited to tanith

wood exists elsewhere

[near sable]

emprah said
"all auxilia weapons must have wood"

[cyan verge]

no, but it's implied that it's something of a rarity

to have wooden furniture

[grand perch]

true enough

[crisp ferry]

is boltgun better than plasma with a good build? i just saw someone basically melt through everything with it idk just curious

[placid portal]

boltgun stronk

they did a bandaid patch to decrease the recoil intensity

and 2 frames of faster swap speed

[crude wind]

Bolthun is S tier imo. Not a lot in it between that and Plasma

[crisp ferry]

ill have to look for a build for one then

[crude wind]

in some ways better in some ways worse

[cyan verge]

yeah they're comparable

you're not really missing out too much picking either

me personally I feel like I run through ammo on the boltgun a little faster than the plasma

[placid portal]

other than ammo since Ogryn ate all the ammo

[cyan verge]

I did a no ammo pickups auric maelstrom earlier with the plasma and was comfortably able to shoot through the entire mission

[crisp ferry]

true i might stick with plasma for ammo reasons

[slow spade]

but boltgun has more ammo?

and better ammo regen

[placid portal]

Going sly marbo in that modifier is fun

[cyan verge]

plasma does more damage though

[placid portal]

nay Boltgun has 15/100

[slow spade]

take plasma ammo and divide it by 3

that's the true ammo

[placid portal]

Ah,