veteran-class

[sullen jackal]

like

[elder fiber]

getting better at the videogame is only a suggestion lol

[copper verge]

I have a friend who is ALLERGIC to melee and never plays past malice unless hes carried istg

[tall torrent]

There’re builds for ranged playstyles at higher difficulties, but you’re probably not skilled enough yet

[earnest bone]

in this game you need to know how to fight in melee, since most of the time you are forced to do so

[sullen jackal]

literally being aware of your own gameplay enough to see what actually kills you

[magic flume]

I'm not. I do melee but it's confusing

[copper verge]

Bro spams recon lasgun

[copper verge]

Because his axe is dog

[earnest bone]

this is my full ranged build

[copper verge]

Thats valid

[magic flume]

Okay gtk

[earnest bone]

and still forced to melee

[copper verge]

Imo unfortunately this game doesnt do the chainsword enough justice

[magic flume]

I'm noticing that and I get overwhelmed

[cyan verge]

the chainsword is perfectly average which I am comfortable with

[copper verge]

Its good on lower diffs but it feels like the weaker side of melee

[earnest bone]

yeah, the first part would be to choose correct melee weapon

[tall torrent]

Which is why you need to learn how to melee in the first place

[cyan verge]

damnation yeah hordes are giant clumps and you're not really gonna kill all those dudes, especially if you use the 'bolt rifle'

[magic flume]

Idk what that is

[copper verge]

At least thats my opinion after playing zealot eviscerator it feels so circumcised lol but ig thats not a fair comparison

[earnest bone]

to fight hordes/berserkers

[elder fiber]

I mean chainsword's primary strength is horde clear

[cyan verge]

the boltgun is definitely not for spamming into hordes

I mean. you can. but like. don't

[magic flume]

I don't wanna use the lasguns

[elder fiber]

unless you built it wrong in which case its shit

[cyan verge]

there's many other guns you can use

[magic flume]

Example build

[tall torrent]

The meta Boltgun build for veteran in high difficulty still requires you to melee around a solid 30~40% of the time

[elder fiber]

check the pins, I'm gonna lie down

[keen lagoon]

I do because tempestus scion goes brrr

[elder fiber]

b/c just thinking of using chorus on havok 35 or smth is making me sleepy

[copper verge]

Constantly dodge side/side, block/push, be careful with stamina and learn target priority in melee (for example, killing maulers/ragers/crushers first) and knowing how to quick swap to ranged when dealing with enemies that can incapacitate you easily (like dogs/snipers/trappers)

[magic flume]

Ic

[copper verge]

Real i love the scion drip with lasgun

[cyan verge]

the horde is weeds, the weeds need trimming, you have a melee, it's free, trim the weeds with your melee, kill specials with your boltgun

if specials exist, prioritize since you excel at one-tapping them

[copper verge]

Yes

[magic flume]

Ic

[copper verge]

Chainsword is pretty bad at elite killing esp with the big and chunky ones

With carapace

[magic flume]

I've noticed

[keen lagoon]

Been liking the power maul lately

[magic flume]

I can do melee combat but I don't understand it well enough to do it well rn and I wasn't sure what Damnation expected of me

[copper verge]

I have a friend who runs zealot power maul solely so he can say “STOP RESISTING” in game chat in German lmaoo

[cyan verge]

yeah I honestly didn't even need a guide to get good at the melee it just comes naturally after some playtime... but yeah like you can with some weapons like the chainsword spam your attacks and not take damage, if you do take stray hits you can play safer by using a quick push every few attacks to keep enemies off you while you continue attacking

[earnest bone]

@tall torrent

is this like

6000+ hours

[tall torrent]

Damnation requires you to understand melee mechanics, know how to minimize damage taken, and how to deal with every enemy in the game on your own

[copper verge]

Same tbh, out of the frying pan into the fire

Soulsike mindset lmao

[cyan verge]

this

[copper verge]

Ye, i noticed this is why many builds up higher diffs center around sustaining yourself with dealing with every possible enemy

[magic flume]

Okay, where should I learn that

[cyan verge]

having four players who all can deal with every threat solo, yeah that's a recipe for a good team

[iron marten]

I only have 400k plasteel after 1.5k hours so lol

[keen lagoon]

Ich schlage vor, ihr hört mit dem Widersetzen auf

[copper verge]

Dueling sword / flamer

Plasma / knife or power sword

Psyker smite or burst with trauma/inferno and shield (a fucking godsend)

[tall torrent]

Drop to a lower difficulty and focus exclusively on trying to minimize the damage you take while actively participating in melee combat

[copper verge]

Im not german lol but yeah sounds like what he says 💀

[crisp oak]

Have you tried out the other classes, using zealot tends to force you to get more comfortable with melee

[copper verge]

What curios are you using?

[cyan verge]

yeah, I was just about to suggest, if you try playing the other classes, you'll learn a lot of things...

[copper verge]

Zealot practically feeds you melee

[wind grotto]

do we know what level of havoc the skins are going to be locked at?

[earnest bone]

its probably locked behind currency

[tall torrent]

No info

[keen lagoon]

I just learned it because I’m a masochist

[earnest bone]

which is delivered weekly

[copper verge]

Psyker teaches you damage reduction bc you become a squishy fuck

[crisp oak]

Yeah, so you can use the muscle memory and move back to vet

[earnest bone]

after reset based on your havoc rank

[copper verge]

Valid, im thinking abt it, girl im talking to is German lol

It sounds freaky ngl

[copper verge]

Absolutely

Kinda addicted to zealot eviscerator ngl tho

No vet two handed weapon 😔

[crisp oak]

I had to swap to zealot mid levelling veteran

[cyan verge]

fortunately pretty much any melee skills you learn in darktide are transferrable...

[crisp oak]

The helbore was ruining me

and it still has

[cyan verge]

the helbore is utter junk imo

[copper verge]

Yes

Also

Leveling zealot helps level a lot of good weapons

[crisp oak]

That makes me sad

[wind grotto]

I enjoy using the helbore but it is absolutely not good

[copper verge]

Dueling sword, knife, rashad axe

[crisp oak]

Yeah carapace is an issue

With hellbores

[cyan verge]

one thing I found unbelievable with the helbore is the stock sights

[copper verge]

Helbore rending sucks balls

[crisp oak]

I fixed that issue.... mods (using the agripina autogun aights)

[copper verge]

I feel like im throwing peanuts at crushers and maulers

Lmao

Muscle memory from plasma

[cyan verge]

yeah I tried that but my sights started wandering, not just because of suppression, and I was like wow this is almost impossible to aim with

mods helped but not that much...

[wind grotto]

at least on maulers you can just stomach shot but some helbore builds you should be able to 2-3 shot crushers

[copper verge]

Tbf Kriegers dont need to zero their sights bc they have a life expectancy of like, six minutes

[crisp oak]

For me the hellbore works beautifully on all but 2 enemies

[wind grotto]

one shot if you like the weird helbore

[crisp oak]

Maulers, crushers

[cyan verge]

so yeah helbore is EXTREMELY difficult to aim with then there's a windup to it and then on top of that it has certain quirks like I think if you are charging, and then swap to aiming it resets the charge, so you gotta charge again

[crisp oak]

My current mk1 build needs like 4

[past haven]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da19ba4-adc1-48df-a89e-a323ad98b843/vraks-v Hey, is someone willing to glance at this build and tell me if there's anything I should change? I feel like there's some talent I should reinvest, but I don't know what to give up

[bleak cradle]

“Ich dousche dir in meine kleber. Du bist eine susse Prauline.”

German friends got me to drunkenly say this when I was there. Did work. Only worked cause I was an American who could barely hold a conversation

[crisp oak]

You should never be shooting without adsing cuz surgical

And free ammo

[copper verge]

They should buff helbore rending tbh tmrw with the krieger outfits rerun

[cyan verge]

I know but sometimes I'd hold charge while walking and then zoom in

[crisp oak]

Yeah please fix the mk1

[tall torrent]

Actually

[wind grotto]

unless you really want onslaught you can save some points on that side, it's not great

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword 9 prob still viable for havoc

[crisp oak]

Doing the same as the mk2 against carapace

[copper verge]

They should give the helbore better sights i swear

[tall torrent]

Power sword
Heavy sword
Maybe achlys axe

[copper verge]

Its just a picatinny rail

[cyan verge]

there were too many occasions where I'd see like a special in the distance and with another weapon I KNOW I could just snap shot to them for like 0.5s and then back to melee, but with helbore it's like okay, swap, this takes TWO SECONDS to swap btw because of that stupid animation, and then when you swap you have to charge and by that time it's like okay too slow

[crisp oak]

Autogun sights work beautifully on it

[magic flume]

Nothing good ik that

[copper verge]

Curios make quite a big difference even if it doesnt seem like it at first

[crisp oak]

This is why you just use the bayonet

[cyan verge]

and yeah I agree I think the sights on the helbore are just not even like, they are NONSENSE, its' a rail, and then a front post

[past haven]

See I was thinking swapping Onslaught and the stamina regen node for ammo and Superiority Complex, but I thought the Vraks V really benefitted from Onslaught

[wind grotto]

it can let you kill crushers with it real good

but you have a power sword and that also does that well

[cyan verge]

I mean like I saw a special 30m away and if I had say bolt pistol or something I could just whip it out blam and go back to meleeing like 50 horde but you just cannot do that with the helbore and that is a dealbreaker for me, it's wayyy too clunky and the bayonet doesn't even cleave, it just kills like one guy, like okay cool

[past haven]

True, true. This is why I ask. Much appreciated!

[crisp oak]

They are in fact nonsense, not sayimg they should have holos.... but like actual irons

[crisp oak]

Bayonet cleaves 2

[narrow frost]

0 hours, its playtester

[cyan verge]

it could have a reflex, it could have an ACTUAL SCOPE (that'd be nice) or it could have, sensible irons, that'd be fine too

I was thinking like "you know, what do sensible sights look like?"

[crisp oak]

this is why I use the hellbore because I just use the autogun irons on it

[cyan verge]

seriously

[copper verge]

Personally you should upgrade all curios to relic (golden rarity) at Hadron’s shrine

Then enhance them

Rn for Auric Maelstrom (which is the hardest rn until tmrw) i’ve been using a curio for 15% toughness, 20% max HP, and 3% Stamina (this last one helps a lot in melee)

For the enhancements personally I really like 4% combat ability cooldown on all of them (ppl usually dont run that tho), I run +5% toughness, and the third slot i use two curios with gunner damage resist and one sniper

You can replace the ability cooldown enhancements with like, max hp tho

Which works too

[magic flume]

I need build suggestions then

[copper verge]

Or stamina regen on one of them

[magic flume]

Idk what all is good

[crisp oak]

That a mark 2?

[magic flume]

There's a lot to choose

[cyan verge]

it's a...

[copper verge]

The pins in the channel have good guides

[cyan verge]

I think the mk IV

[copper verge]

You can also ask ppl here like Sleepy Cat who has good builds all around

[crisp oak]

Does it have the slow bayonet?

[cyan verge]

I think it does

[crisp oak]

Dont use that one

[cyan verge]

oops I used that one

and now it's max mastery too late

[crisp oak]

Use the 3a

(You can swap marks)

[wind grotto]

that one can at least do funny things like one shot crushers, but i'd swap to a different mark for a helbore

[cyan verge]

yeah I know

okay well you know what just for you I'll try it

I even semi-invested in it

[crisp oak]

Keep in mind the irons are still ass

But the fast bayonet stunlocks ragers out of their swimgs

Oneshots dogs

[cyan verge]

yeah and it doesn't help I think my gun models bug out sometimes and give me like, the 'LoD' models

[wind grotto]

even just for the poke it's worth it since it can keep you on the gun without switching weapons for another two years

[cyan verge]

in first-person view

which is not useful

do I have any screenshots of what I'm talkin about here

[crisp oak]

Stability at 30 also doesnt help (simce that affects the aim sway)

[cyan verge]

oh

ohhhhhhhhhhh

okay yeah that makes sense

[crisp oak]

Typically the dump for it is charge time, because you want surgical to always be stacking

[cyan verge]

oh

'the guide' says stability so I went with that

[crisp oak]

And probably ammo assuming ypu are running survivalist, and the las crit node

Because then you will never need an ammo pickup

Like ever

[wind grotto]

I think stab is probably the best dump stat on it overall, there are a lot of times you just can't wait for surgical to stack to full and it's time to just rock and roll a full mag

[magic flume]

None of them detail anything I'm looking for in bolter builds

[crisp oak]

Eh, 60 vs 80 is .1 seconds

[wind grotto]

yeah I guess with weight of fire that would be fine then

[copper verge]

Ah thats fair, i have a bolter build but its pretty old and all i did was max out my reload stats 💀

[crisp oak]

Tbh hellbore would be dine with the balanced 70 statline with no 80s

[copper verge]

You can ask others here who run it, i’m sure they’ll be fine with sharing

[crisp oak]

Bolter->shovel was my mastery farmer

Shovel has such good defensive utility

[cyan verge]

okay this is not a great screenshot yeah, but look at the difference between these two models...

[crisp oak]

Oof

[copper verge]

Haha wtf

[cyan verge]

look what's going on with the one on the right, it's like a cube

[crisp oak]

Yeah

[cyan verge]

I am pretty sure that's like a LOD model that would be used on other players so that it costs less to render, right

but it's... in my hands

I don't know though I am not an expert here

[wind grotto]

do you have fsr or something on

[cyan verge]

it's possible it's doing that for some other reason

[wind grotto]

sometimes my weapons get funky if I have that on

[cyan verge]

I AM actually using FSR yeah

[wind grotto]

yeah even on quality i've seen it happen

[earnest bone]

you can use XeSS

its a bit better

[cyan verge]

but... intel...

ooh yeah I dunno about that

for some reason if I use, FSR 3.1, I get a relatively consistent 60-90fps?

and if I play without it at all, or with XeSS here, I get like, 30fps

[wind grotto]

i'd just keep it on and bite the bullet then

[cyan verge]

yeah fortunately it doesn't bother me TOO much

[earnest bone]

you can try what i did

[cyan verge]

I just notice it occasionally

[earnest bone]

install intel XeSS 1.3.1

replace the file in the BINARIES folder (rewrite it)

[wind grotto]

oh did darktide not update xess or something

[earnest bone]

ingame choose XeSS enable Frame Generation

[wind grotto]

lmao

[earnest bone]

easy 144 stable fps

[cyan verge]

interesting...

[earnest bone]

yeah

its not updated

need to update manually

[wind grotto]

guess i'll go do that then

[earnest bone]

each time (since patch overwrite it with shit version again)

https://github.com/intel/xess/releases/tag/v1.3.1

i think this is the link

[cyan verge]

oh oh man I have something amazing to show you guys

this is the most cursed thing I've ever captured

[earnest bone]

is what you need to replace in DT folder

[wind grotto]

yeah I assumed

[cyan verge]

wow it's on github

neat

[loud belfry]

I wonder if dlss's dll is out of date

[cyan verge]

maybe I'll try it

[earnest bone]

i really got like +100% perfomance

from XeSS + Frame Gen ON

no glitches or anything

[cyan verge]

uh anyway look at this

this is apparently what happens, if I turn on FSR frame generation and nothing else...

[wind grotto]

ships haunted

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-gif-22770746

[loud belfry]

wtf it's just showing random items and models

[cyan verge]

right? like wtf

lmao

[earnest bone]

welp try with updated xess later

[loud belfry]

presumably restarting the game will fix it

[cyan verge]

yeah that is fair

maybe I was too zealous in trying all the upscaling things one after another...

maybe the game doesn't like that

and that is okay

[magic flume]

Any YouTubers that have trusted guides and builds I can mimic ?

[cyan verge]

pins

pins pins pins

pins? pins!

if you need like builds for your guys talents

[tall torrent]

Don’t follow YouTubers for guides

[cyan verge]

there's some in here! pinned

idk if it's still up to date or what but

there's some there

and like

[copper verge]

Tbf i used one for zealot DS meta

But most of them arent that good ngl

[cyan verge]

you'll be okay if you just read "which talents are good"

because some are traps and some are godly

what was that build 'veteran steam guide' guy posted the other day

oh look I found this just by searching

there u go that's apparently the best boltgun build for veteran

okay I just updated XeSS, I'm gonna try this out and uhhh hopefully it doesn't do anything more cursed than what I just saw

[magic flume]

Thank you for the guide

I'll update my buuld

Build

What perks and crap should my chainsword and bolter have?

[cyan verge]

^

[tall torrent]

Pinning fire + puncture
Flak + maniac
For Boltgun

As for chainsword I’d honestly suggest u use a different melee

[cyan verge]

lol

[magic flume]

Don't think that details weapons

[cyan verge]

it literally does

everything path just told you is in that guide

[magic flume]

Ah

I skimmed it

It's weird asf on my phone

Ima look at it properly later

[cyan verge]

is that so...

[magic flume]

I just said that

So yes

💀

[copper verge]

god mutant horde modifier is funny

[leaden skiff]

So.many baby armed yellers

[copper verge]

i have a very scuffed clip

of me playing auric mael at like 4am

compressing it rn lol

the entire thing was just a chorus of frustration

from the mutants

lmao

"raaaaaaagh"

[crisp oak]

i still live in fear of the time I rounded a corner and heard 50 "for the grandfathers"

[tall torrent]

Wait I might have cooked up smth for havoc

[copper verge]

i forgot which enemy says that lol

[copper verge]

what is it

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasgun VII

[copper verge]

OOO

[crisp oak]

it was a pack of dreg ragers and maulers

[copper verge]

why that specifically, just curious

[copper verge]

OH

[loud belfry]

for the grandfathaaarrdratfhhhagggg

[copper verge]

yeah with that i just smack voc and drop shredder and run as my batshit insane zealot plunges into them for me

lmao

[crisp oak]

I was a level 10 psyker

[copper verge]

who would win? 25 roided up, elite, dangerously armed nurglelite followers

versus

"GOD EMPEROR SEE ME !!!" 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥

[copper verge]

LMAO

no smite?

[tall torrent]

With tier5 havoc hidden modifiers
Flamers 1400 -> 2100 health (2 -> 3HS)
Trapper 900 -> 1350 health (1~2 -> 2HS)
Gunner 1200~1400 -> 1800~2100 health (2 -> 3HS)
Shotgunner 1000 -> 1500 health (same 2HS)
Far more reliable accuracy than autoguns for sniping priority targets
Has ghost to tank shooters
Has falter to interrupt specialists

[copper verge]

https://tenor.com/view/rp-no-rp-rpg-role-gif-25245125

[copper verge]

thats smart actually

[wind grotto]

are the hidden modifiers just always on?

[tall torrent]

This is literally perfect???

[copper verge]

is that the former katrael mk xix

[tall torrent]

Yes

[crisp oak]

was running burster at the time, did a quick play damnation turned out to be maelstrom

[tall torrent]

No, former MG1a

[wind grotto]

yeah I sure am not running like most of the guns then huh

[tall torrent]

Veteran meta might just be

[tall torrent]

Power sword 6
Infantry lasgun 7
Frag grenade
Survivalist
VoC
Focus target
Take a bunch of grenade talents

[copper verge]

ignore me smacking the barrel it was 4am and i didnt see it lol

[earnest bone]

why ILas 7 and not recon 12

[tall torrent]

Recon does not kill specialists nearly as fast and doesn’t stagger them

Kantrael 7 has like 0.275s TTK for flamers rn (would be 0.55s with havoc scaling)
Recon TTK vs flamers is like 0.65s+ rn, would be even higher in havoc

[earnest bone]

did you test both ragers also?

never used Ilas 7

[thorn lark]

diversity so nice

[crisp oak]

something like this

[tall torrent]

Nah

[crisp oak]

or do we still drop tinkerer

[copper verge]

no shock trooper kinda strange on a lasgun ngl

so used to it

[tall torrent]

I think it's unironically this

[crisp oak]

I don't know how to use infantry lasguns so

[tall torrent]

mk7 doesn't use headhunter

[crisp oak]

don't think twin blasts is worth it

[copper verge]

oh that makes more sense

[tall torrent]

Nah, it scales

In lower difficulties it doesn’t do much

In higher difficulties you’re gonna get more frags to throw

[earnest bone]

when 50 ragers charges at you

seems good enough

[tall torrent]

And twinned blast wipes things for u

[copper verge]

saving that build tbh

[crisp oak]

yeah but..... I've never seen it proc

[copper verge]

gotta roll a lasgun now

lol

[earnest bone]

its rng

[tall torrent]

You don’t need to see it

You just hear it

[wind grotto]

yeah the amount of shit that ran even in that first spawn in the video someone linked above sure means just taking every grenade power is a easy bet for sure

[crisp oak]

anyway, what do you run on the lasgun?

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac
Falter + ghost

[wind grotto]

you basically always have frags if you take them on maelstrom as is

[tall torrent]

Ghost is mandatory

Falter helps it a lot

[crisp oak]

bet, will have to start working on lasgun mastery

[tall torrent]

Now, if havoc’s stagger threshold increase results in falter being unable to stagger things

I’d swap to headhunter

[crisp oak]

mode will probably be dead before I am done preparing for it

[tall torrent]

Nah

Moebian 53rd drip is neat

[wind grotto]

it'll be around for a few months at least

the cosmetics will keep it going just for enough people to get them

[cyan verge]

okay well this is interesting, I am actually not getting cursed VIDEO, I am getting cursed sound... I am not getting sounds playing now? very weird

[crisp oak]

hopefully it gives good mats

[cyan verge]

but only some sounds, for instance I can't hear shotgunners cocking

[crisp oak]

and ordo dockets

[cyan verge]

some music is not playing

[crisp oak]

Ironically this is my hellbore build (just with twin blasts replaced by las trooper)

but yeah was the kantrael's fire cleave nerfed?

[thorn lark]

yes

[crisp oak]

rip

[copper verge]

Ok real talk, builds this builds that

I want

A fucking scion set

Im out here rawdogging the helmet with a cadian torso

Lol

[thorn lark]

like everyone

[copper verge]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

at least I'll be getting value out of this skin

[wind grotto]

I can't wait for the set to not be the same color as the helmet

[copper verge]

Copium that this set comes out ok Thursday after the krieger release

[tall torrent]

I will say tho

If One Motion gets buffed

[copper verge]

Literally the closest we will get to scions (imo the legs are ugly i hate partial armor, i’ll prob be using the heavy cadian legs still)

[tall torrent]

I’m prob dropping Target Down for One Motion

[copper verge]

It even has the forearm interface

What’s one motion again?

Sorry i dont keep track of the node names 😭

[tall torrent]

x80% wield speed

It allows u to weapon swap and throw grenades faster

It could get buffed

Rn it doesn’t do a lot

[copper verge]

Oh

Yeah

I dont rly run weapon swap

[wind grotto]

yeah right now I think it's only good for like the helbore

[copper verge]

Plasma and lasgun wield is very fast

already

And revolver

[tall torrent]

Not fast enough

[pseudo fiber]

Piss sword

[tall torrent]

aight I'm havoc ready

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[crisp oak]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da1b13a-2776-4a7a-8f84-4ac15a97cd88/veteran-can-be-speedrunner-zealot-too hows my zealot speedrunner build

[copper verge]

im very tempted to spend another 10 bucks just so i can get a full set + an extra torso and weapon skin lol

[wind grotto]

I need to go farm out some dockets later since I don't have a good ilas and I want to fuck around with the new weapons also

[copper verge]

I kinda want the psword skin

It has a black blade

[wind grotto]

which one does? I don't look at the weapon skins much

[copper verge]

The one in the shop rn for ver

Middle tab

[paper trellis]

How good is the shredder autopistol?

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t look as good in first person

[copper verge]

Oh fr?

Sad

Send screenshot

[tall torrent]

I bought it, tried it

Didn’t look as good

Refunded

If u just really want a skin u could get it but

[copper verge]

You can refund skins???

[tall torrent]

I think absolution cerulus (the one I’m using) looks way better

[copper verge]

wtf

[tall torrent]

In fatshark forums

[copper verge]

I didnt know that

Makes sense

I assume theres like

A time limit lmao

Kinda wanna refund an ogryn helmet bc i havent used it in a while

But ive had it for a long time now

[pseudo fiber]

a month ish?

they're pretty lax

[copper verge]

Yeah i bought it way longer than that lol

[elder fiber]

I'm havoc ready (to keep taking dumps on the mode)

[copper verge]

Oof

No obsidian black

[tall torrent]

This is the best looking one imo

[copper verge]

Wait

That ones different

The one in the shop has wings that point downward

As the handguard

[tall torrent]

Yea I sent absolution cerulus

I don’t have a screenshot of the black one

Deleted it

[copper verge]

Ohh

I like the pure black one tho

Hmm

I’ll look at vids later

[wind grotto]

that does look quite good

[copper verge]

What’s the skin called? Not at pc rn

[tall torrent]

Battle forged power sword

[fierce spoke]

Nearly perfect. If only TR, and CR were reverse. Oh well.

[copper verge]

I just realized the blade has spooky spooky bones in the blade

Lmao

I really dont like the all weapon drop tbh it looks wack, but this is one of the times i can get behind it

I can totally see a power sword user like a tempestus scion etching in bones for like, each monstrosity or even chaos space marine he slays

Plot armor

[copper verge]

Is it bad to run 60% charge and 80% TR?

I have one where its 65% charge 75% TR

but i never upgraded it

Bc my current plas is already 500

and has all the proper stuff

[ionic laurel]

If one of our guys even scratched a chaos marine I would cure cancer

[copper verge]

Veteran has a voiceline where it implies hes seen one at the very least, possibly aided in its defeat

[ionic laurel]

Veteran MIGHT be capping

[copper verge]

Something abt saying you better have a whole regiment with you to take it down

I love the subtle lore drops in dialogue tbh

[wind grotto]

it's going to be funny to see all the people caring suddenly about the reject powerlevel bullshit when we just start icing csm like we do a bunch of other shit they should already care about

but thats probably quite a ways away still

[copper verge]

Yeah

I mean tbh the game plays into that subtly as well

With the carnival voicelines i think?

[wind grotto]

it does yeah

[copper verge]

Heretic troopers are telling captain wolfer that we’re battalion level strength 💀💀💀

Or capping that there are way more of us in the circus than there actually are

[copper verge]

But in reality we’re just

• homeless man with a gun

• homeless religious man with a butter knife

• homeless man who uses his brain to commune with the forces of hell

• A dwarf with gigantism

[wind grotto]

it's okay they give the homeless crack addicts relic swords now

[copper verge]

Real

How is relic sword gonna work btw

[wind grotto]

I haven't went looking to see if there was video yet

[copper verge]

Same

[wind grotto]

but it has a overheat mechanic? so it's probably shit if it doesn't vent fast

[copper verge]

Also sidenote i fucking hate powerscalers i cannot stand them

[ionic laurel]

Yeah but CSM are cool and have aura

[copper verge]

Will it change my power sword to a relic sword or what

[wind grotto]

I would not be unhappy if they made the power sword different also but unlikely

[copper verge]

I need someone to make a texture pack where the ogryn rock is just a fat bar of soap when a plague marine boss fight releases

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/vHw4ISUXqWY?si=MoO28NREYeFOz3yl

[copper verge]

Oh wait

Relic sword is the zealot one

I thought they were gonna touch my vet power sword

I was like

Not my baby 😭

[ionic laurel]

Don't worry plague marines are already a meme, throwing knife oneshots one when they canonically can take multiple bolter magazines. They also dont have the drip like CSM do, it's fine

Is vet getting a new melee btw, only saw zealot, psyker,ogryn

[wind grotto]

no vet stuff this update

[copper verge]

Stinky marine

[tall torrent]

No

[cyan verge]

it is true we already are doing stuff a little bit above our paygrade but I guess I am okay with it

[wind grotto]

oh that bar fills a lot slower than I thought it would

[crisp oak]

where are there plague marines?

[ionic laurel]

I hope they at least buff the keystones then

[ionic laurel]

Not in game, it was a terribly written 40k story where a plague marine gets oneshot by a knife

[copper verge]

I still will never get over that one girl who posted on either a reddit or forum about how she was at a tournament with her battle sisters and she played against a dude running death guard and said he smelled like he hadnt showered since the neolithic era

[ionic laurel]

Must be a really big knife!

[cyan verge]

author?

[ionic laurel]

Long long time ago, I think it was in Pandorax?

Says christian dunn

[cyan verge]

hm I see

[ionic laurel]

I looked it back up, apparently its a guard of all things that oneshots a plague marine with a throwing knife 💀

[cyan verge]

I am sure he threw it very hard

[ionic laurel]

Nah maybe veteran got a chance

[cyan verge]

the emperor guided his hand

[copper verge]

Plot armor knife

[candid agate]

clearly it was an ultramarine pattern knife

[copper verge]

Custodes knife

[tame lodge]

Precision Strikes+Bring it down+superiority complex+Rending strikes+Focus Target

+cara +elites

[copper verge]

Kinda wanna see a power fist ngl

[candid agate]

that wouldnt even dent the lens of the plague marine

[hidden torrent]

I'm hoping the update comes out at like midnight est

[copper verge]

I cant wait until a plague marine finally feels fear for once instead of nurgle’s “salvation” when he hears a very angry homeless Scottish man say “PERISH YE”

As a cadian vet complains abt the psyker being weird behind him

[candid agate]

"I feel another headshot coming on"
Gets boltgun fully magdumped onto him

[hidden torrent]

Pretty much any individual space marine would be instantly killed by our gang of homeless people

[tame lodge]

5 am EST

[candid agate]

just realised that could be either the vet or the plague marine getting shot lol

[copper verge]

Nah even funnier when the plague marine dumps his boltgun into a vet only for him to instantly just get back up, say “FOR THE GOLDEN FRAGGIN’ THRONE” and proceed to dodge crit stunlock him with a fucking toothpick sword

[hidden torrent]

True, VOC is pretty crazy

[wind grotto]

yeah I was unsure if you were trying to say the plague marine would somehow hit the invulnerable to all ranged damage character as he just runs at him obliquely

[hidden torrent]

Nothing a krak grenade wouldn't fix

[wind grotto]

or just does a really weird ground slide while avoiding all the bullets

[copper verge]

VoC vet yelling so hard he knocks the fatass 2 ton plague marine onto the floor

For the first time, plague brother stinkius has felt fear

[hidden torrent]

VoC vets prolapse irl from yelling

[candid agate]

the real issue would be if the marine lifted his arms at any opportunity, causing the rejects to die from the stench of his armpits

[copper verge]

Nah hes just a comissar in training, they yell all the time

[hidden torrent]

We have too many vastly OP weapons for space marines to fit into combat and not just be Ogryn

Essentially

[copper verge]

Honestly since nurgle gas/plague aura just canonically effect toughness then it would be hilarious for VoC vet / FoTF zealot to just cure AIDS and hepatitis by yelling really fucking loud

[wind grotto]

they'd have to be vets with an iron halo and etc etc to really make sense

[candid agate]

so like an ork but somehow louder?

[hidden torrent]

I never thought about this, but canonically because of darktide, space aids is cured via yelling

[hidden torrent]

They'd need a PSG like the captains that we fight

[copper verge]

Imagine this dude literally just yells the virus your god engineered for millenia into extinction before proceeding to knock you on your feet and farm your fatass helmet weakspot for a bounty sire melk gave bim

[ionic laurel]

Yeah i mean lore accurate plasma gun would be getting oneshot by your reload every 5 seconds and bolters would probably be breaking arms

[wind grotto]

thats what an iron halo is

[copper verge]

Ye

[hidden torrent]

There's also a guardsman in lore who can use a heavy bolter like a rifle, so take lore with a grain of salt

[candid agate]

except an iron halo is way stronger than the tinfoil shield the captains have

[copper verge]

Ye

Honestly dude

Give zealot like

5 med stimms

And like one snack

He could probably solo mortarion at this point

Bros too angry to die

[hidden torrent]

With a thunder hammer build you'd have a case

[copper verge]

I have been hard carried in auric by zealots who clutch like they have a gun pointed to their head irl

Like

[candid agate]

i wonder if toughness is actually a shield we are issued or its just pure will power to ignore pain, cause it feels weird we can shrug off fire from a gunner for like 5 seconds and then start getting hurt

[hidden torrent]

1 shotting Daemon hosts so I mena

[copper verge]

Jesus

[ionic laurel]

Must be the giga chad that oneshot that plague marine ‼️

[hidden torrent]

It's just toughness

[candid agate]

still, bullets are bullets

[hidden torrent]

Which is odd since Ogryn should have highest toughness

[copper verge]

Yeah honestly

Ogryn thickness buff when

[wind grotto]

the thickness buff is built in

that sweet sweet 10% dr

[candid agate]

ogryn simply has too little pain resistance for his own good

[copper verge]

Kinda want a heavy bolter on ogryn tbh

[wind grotto]

ogryn desperately needs the cool dumb shit an ogryn should of had by now 2 years in for ranged weaponry

either a heavy bolter or a autocannon

[hidden torrent]

Tabletop accurate bone'aed when

[copper verge]

Yes

[candid agate]

hey hey is that a fun concept? in my fatshark game?

[hidden torrent]

Twin linked autocannon

[wind grotto]

hey they added trollhammers after like fucking 4 or 5 years

to vt2

[grim widget]

hey you guys are the best, don't fuckin forget it

[hidden torrent]

I've always said Glugger should be basically just outcast engineer

[wind grotto]

we can pray for dumb cool shit

give vet a melta

[cyan verge]

I actually can't believe how hard I carried that auric wtf

[candid agate]

true but ive barely played bardin, kruber chad for life, so idk how good it is

[hidden torrent]

You mean the melta in the game files since beta

[wind grotto]

it's okay that one is for the space marines that will use it on us

although at least they've added the bolt pistol and tomorow will be adding two of the other things that have been in files

so I do have a tiny amount of hope for future patches adding actual cool 40k shit

[candid agate]

i will always want a long las, i wanna be the ratling my veteran deserved to be

but without the shortness

[cyan verge]

so on gloriana like people are meant to do the objectives right

like it's not just something I should be soloing yeah

[wind grotto]

yeah good luck

pubbing gloriana is incredibly painful

because it's just a really hard arena on the objectives

[cyan verge]

because I just had to like do the capacitors solo then power cells solo and the power switches solo like wtf

[candid agate]

which one is gloriana? i never memorise map names

[cyan verge]

while everyone else is just, fuckin around in the middle fighting things

it's uhh

the ice one

[wind grotto]

the newer frozen one

[copper verge]

Moebian steel recovery ass mission

[candid agate]

oh that one

yeah that ones fucked up

[copper verge]

I want a hotshot las tbh but idk how they would implement it

Bc backpack

[cyan verge]

it's kind of a support weapon, it'd be really really nice to have

but they probably won't give it to us

[copper verge]

The hotshot lasgun?

[cyan verge]

yeah

[wind grotto]

I just want the hotshot variant that works like the enemy one does, and just make it work like the bardin gatling

[candid agate]

instead of a hotshot lasgun we need a heavy stubber like the guy in the art of the executioner stance pathway

in case the whole backpack thing is an issue

[tall torrent]

I’m worried about veteran’s melee weapon choices

[wind grotto]

but i'd also take a melta, or a radium carbine or something

[wind grotto]

in general or just for havoc?

[cyan verge]

he's talkin about havoc I think

[tall torrent]

In general
But specifically in havoc it’s even more restrictive

[candid agate]

hmm, maybe a power fist? since we have a bolt pistol would complete the commisar loadout

[wind grotto]

yeah I think it's going to be really really rough for vet in havoc

the mass increase sure makes me wonder whats going to be viable other than the power sword and maybe a few things with brutal momentum

[candid agate]

as loose cannon says
"At last, a challenge!"

[pseudo fiber]

Imagine it releases and it's not that bad

[candid agate]

(im shit at this game)

[ionic laurel]

It'll probably be axe, they are definitely killing at least waveclear on dueling sword and I cant imagine knife makes it out

[wind grotto]

oh the first many levels are not going to be bad at all to be clear

[tall torrent]

BM weapon is just power sword & heavy sword

Combat axe is dead

[candid agate]

so just calm before the storm?

[pseudo fiber]

Heavy sword staying on top!

[tall torrent]

Only one possibly viable is achlys mk8

[elder fiber]

mass increase more like ass increase

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s the mass increase being the biggest problem

[ionic laurel]

What happened to axe? Did i miss something?

[tall torrent]

It’s really just health increase

[ionic laurel]

Breakpoints?

[cyan verge]

he's talking about havoc

specifically

your combat axe will clear normal missions fine

[wind grotto]

maybe some things will also get buffs tomorow and that could help but I doubt it (that buffs would hit breakpoints that matter to be clear)

[copper verge]

Honestly i think they can implement it, a hotshot lascarbine doesnt necessarily have cables to the power pack

[tall torrent]

Massively increased enemy health = axe doesn’t do enough damage to use BM against most enemies = axe is dead

[copper verge]

That might be the long las tho

[ionic laurel]

Ahhh yeah didnt even think about the hp increase like that

Oh power sword we need you

[tall torrent]

Like

[candid agate]

more classic stat buffs instead of interesting difficulty increases

[tall torrent]

I’m not joking when I say

[candid agate]

the suspence is killing me

[tall torrent]

Mk7 infantry Lasgun might be the meta gun for veteran in havoc

[ionic laurel]

Same thing happened in deeprock

[wind grotto]

I think you are in fact correct

[ionic laurel]

Breakpoints matter too much

[copper verge]

I might play zealot momentum or martyr with evis

For havoc

Or psyker trauma and two handed force

[candid agate]

may i enquire how

[copper verge]

But VoC is hella fun

[wind grotto]

one thing for sure is survivalist is going to be very very important

[ionic laurel]

VoC is getting confirmed nerf so dont hold your breath, idk how bad but they kinda hinted at it yesterday i think

[wind grotto]

unless -pickup on ammo also applies to survivalist

[ionic laurel]

Probably cdr

[tall torrent]

There’s no confirmation

[copper verge]

Bruhh

[hollow ibex]

Don’t touch my baby 🥺

[cyan verge]

there's no way they're nerfing it

[wind grotto]

I really doubt they'll substantially nerf VoC

[candid agate]

PLEASE, though not too harshly, since the other abilities need touch ups as well

[cyan verge]

it is strong but I don't think it's THAT strong

[tall torrent]

It is super broken

[ionic laurel]

It was hinted at very intentionally in psyker chat, ill try to link it

[cyan verge]

is it really?

cuz of the way gold toughness works I guess

[wind grotto]

yeah

it's just because of how insane gold toughness is

[cyan verge]

well they better be careful because

if they nerf it the wrong way it could instantly become like a dumpster pick

[elder fiber]

its gold toughness + cdr scaling with higher enemy spawns

[tall torrent]

Nah

[copper verge]

Its very broken but imo instead of nerfing it they should just raise the bar by buffing executioner stance and stealth

[wind grotto]

oh I think it needs a nerf

[copper verge]

I dont want it to fall off on auric or havoc if i’m the only vet

[tall torrent]

Nah

[candid agate]

then vet gets even more broken, exe and stealth need buffs but not to voc level

[cyan verge]

what if they did something like saying "duty and honour now only restores toughness instead of adding gold toughness"

[copper verge]

The amount of times i fucking carried with voc

[tall torrent]

Base ability without D&H already restores your own toughness

[wind grotto]

I feel like just doing that would immediately make voc pretty mediocre

[cyan verge]

it restores yours, but not allies

[wind grotto]

like even if you got like

10 gold toughness

thats still insane also

so I don't know what they can do lmao

[cyan verge]

exactly

[candid agate]

kinda gets rid of the "commander" role it is ideally giving no?

[tall torrent]

That should be the nerf

[copper verge]

Yeah

[placid portal]

just get rid of gold toughness and just make it Extra toughness

[cyan verge]

no, I mean, read it

[copper verge]

Just less temporary toughness

[cyan verge]

it literally only restores yours

[copper verge]

Thats fucking wack

Still powerful, but no support to team sucks ass

[wind grotto]

it lasts for what 15s right now?

[cyan verge]

no I mean this is how it is in the game right now

[wind grotto]

my guess is they'll fatshark it and the duration is getting dumpstered

[copper verge]

Ph

I thought that would be the nerf

[cyan verge]

this is the part where you go oh that's cool

[copper verge]

Ohhhh yeah u right lmao

[candid agate]

how about reworking it into buffing yourself and allies with extra damage and stuff instead of just pure defence

[ionic laurel]

#zealot-class message

Zealot sorry

[cyan verge]

not a bad idea...

[copper verge]

There’s a keystone for that already

[hollow ibex]

VOC is my crutch. It’s extremely rude to take away the crutch of a disabled person

[ionic laurel]

Came from early playtester i believe, idk if its this patch or next though

I think DS nerf is supposed to be after havoc

[copper verge]

Using voc increases melee and ranged dmg by 10% is a node

[candid agate]

that way its actually a voice of COMMAND and not just more toughness

[copper verge]

in the tree

[candid agate]

against like 1 guy who has to be an elite, special, or boss

[tall torrent]

Brave of you to admit that you’re disabled

[cyan verge]

no he means this

[copper verge]

Yea 😭

Wait no

Thats what i meant

[wind grotto]

yeah and that one is 5s and lmao

[candid agate]

5 seconds

[copper verge]

5s sux

[ionic laurel]

I mean idc if VOC gets nerfed bc its broken af, but its just a band aid for trash tier keystones and the other abilites could use buffs anyway

[hollow ibex]

Hey I won’t tolerate this disabled shaming

[ionic laurel]

Please buff keystones PLEASE

[tall torrent]

The only keystone that needs changes is marksman’s focus

Other 2 are sorta ok

[copper verge]

Marksmans focus is so cheeks

It just sucks stamina

[wind grotto]

marksman is complete ass

WS needs to be looked at for the sub nodes at least

[tall torrent]

That’s not the keystone

[candid agate]

can still buff that up a ton and add it to the VoC modifiers and put some new passive in it's place

[cyan verge]

...

[wind grotto]

probably should just merge a lot of the ws sub nodes into the default use

[elder fiber]

yeah ws needs buffs

[ionic laurel]

Sorta okay is not what i want from my keystone

Biggest problem is the tree

Right down the middle 95% of builds

[copper verge]

I thought it was the one that depletes stamina while you alt fire

[elder fiber]

idk I think bottom right is just already bloated and vet doesn't have a lot of luxury points to spare on good builds

[tall torrent]

That’s not a keystone

[copper verge]

Oh

[candid agate]

that is deadshit

[cyan verge]

you are thinking of deadshot (see above)

[copper verge]

I meant node not keystone lol

[cyan verge]

marksmans is

[copper verge]

My bad

Yea

[cyan verge]

this nonsense

[copper verge]

Marksman is nice ngl

I love using it

[candid agate]

Speed is life son

[copper verge]

Marking enemies for free dmg

[cyan verge]

...

no, that's

[tall torrent]

That’s not marksman’s focus…

[copper verge]

Wait

Sorry nvm

[wind grotto]

lmao

[copper verge]

I uh

[cyan verge]

focus target

[copper verge]

Just got my blood drawn

[cyan verge]

lol

[copper verge]

Lmfao

[cyan verge]

omg

[copper verge]

My head is so wack rn

[cyan verge]

I was gonna say have you even LOOKED at the tree before

[paper trellis]

Marksman focus is just extra headshot damage and reload speed for getting headshots

[copper verge]

I DID im just dyin

Lmao

I hate getting my blood drawn

[wind grotto]

I don't really like focus target also just because of how long the paths are to get to the keystones for vet, but thats a different issue

[candid agate]

spaghetti whatever time of day it is go to bed, you clearly need sleep to process whatever has happened

[wind grotto]

but at least it has uses

[cyan verge]

there's some good stuff on the way to focus target at least

[ionic laurel]

I think the grenade recharge and improved grenades is also a problem on the tree, just further incentive to go straight down the middle and then everybody usually just goes WS anyway

[copper verge]

Its 3:46 pm and i just had my blood drawn, i get really lightheaded and dizzy whenever that happens and i still am

Lol

My bad

[tall torrent]

WS can use a nerf

I think right side also needs some shuffling

[copper verge]

Okay in all fairness they both have focus in the name lmao

[cyan verge]

I think marksman's focus though is like. I don't really want, in darktide, to almost ever be standing still, and the team really does not want me to ever be standing still, and you are actively encouraged to ALWAYS be moving, so even if you could sit around going pew pew at enemy's heads, you kinda never want to be doing that, far better to just shoot your shot and sprint away

[candid agate]

which is WS

[wind grotto]

I think all the bottom trees of vet need some shuffling

[tall torrent]

Right side keystone

[ionic laurel]

I feel like the ammo aura also needs something but it's not like broken, maybe just buff the others

Auras are so so bad

[candid agate]

oh weapons specialist

[wind grotto]

and by shuffling I mean losing an entire line or two and just deleting the dogshit passives in there

[copper verge]

What does ws do again, i dont think ive touched it once in any build ever lol

[cyan verge]

one thing I have been wondering for a while, do auras stack

[paper trellis]

? You don’t lose stacks for 6 seconds after headshot

[elder fiber]

no

[copper verge]

I always go focus target

[tall torrent]

Others don’t need buffs, survivalist is balanced by having worse pathing

This however doesn’t apply exactly the same in havoc but havoc is its own thing

[copper verge]

Very real

Standing still = dying lmao

[paper trellis]

Marksman’s focus just play like normal

[wind grotto]

yeah you can just play like normal with marksman it's fine

[cyan verge]

just play like normal and then only have uptime on your stacks like 10% of the game

[wind grotto]

thats not the issue it has

[candid agate]

when you kill enemy with range, melee gets speed buff
when you kill with melee, range gets speed buff

[copper verge]

Oh

Thats kinda eh?

[candid agate]

but only applies when you swap

[copper verge]

Yeah

[wind grotto]

well range also gets a guaranteed crit and some other shit

[paper trellis]

I do think the other keystones are a lot more meaningful, but it’s not something you need to stand still for

[leaden skiff]

I've literally been playing without any of the keystones for months. Weapon swapping isn't always ideal. Marksman requires you to stand still too much. Focus fire isn't useful because no one let's it live long enough for stacks if you're doing it right.

[tall torrent]

I think veteran has to pay too many points for melee atk speed and it doesn’t feel good

[candid agate]

partner you have not tried it with the unfoldable shovel heavy attacks then

[tall torrent]

Nah this is just wrong

[copper verge]

Might try

[paper trellis]

At least most of the headshot nodes apply to melee

[wind grotto]

ws makes weapon swapping insanely strong and you're going to do it a lot anyway

[cyan verge]

focus target doesn't BUILD stacks when you apply it, you generate stacks on your own and apply those to the enemy you mark...

[leaden skiff]

Eh might be wrong for you or on paper. But it's workd

[cyan verge]

you don't have to 'wait'

[ionic laurel]

Idk I dont think ive seen a single build not take survivalist in idk how long

[copper verge]

Yeah focus target is just free damage most of the time

[paper trellis]

But it’s good to use it a lot to maintain the buffs, and the buffs do stack if you only have partial stacks

[candid agate]

you technically do but for only 5 seconds after marking a heretic

[cyan verge]

my build has fireteam for some reason

[wind grotto]

I think fireteam is probably stuck at 5% damage forever

[tall torrent]

Most good builds for the last like 6 months have not been using survivalist

[wind grotto]

but the omvement one is just kind of weird

[tall torrent]

It’s just inferior pathing

[paper trellis]

Why tho? It is so ass

[copper verge]

Focus target is really good in the auric mael where you have elites have a chance to spawn as weakened monstrosities

[tall torrent]

It’s fine where it is

[copper verge]

2 shot beast of nurgle

Lmao

[wind grotto]

since movement on an aura will only cause the weird speed issues the game has to be worse where ogryn is now 5% faster while you probably blaze so fast he is out of aura range immediately if you're actually trying to go fast

[cyan verge]

if I wanted to take survivalist it'd cost me like 4 points

that's kind of a lot

[wind grotto]

because then they'd need to change shit like the ogryn aura doing 10% extra heavy and etc etc

[copper verge]

Survivalist is good but ew

[wind grotto]

a lot of the other classes also have just tiny buffs

[copper verge]

The keystones around it are kinda mid

[ionic laurel]

Interesting, the other auras are pretty dogshit tbh. 5% dmg or ms is kinda just there. What builds are people running, I haven't really been playing veteran as of late

[copper verge]

Or just cheese

[candid agate]

maybe change fireteam into +10% ranged damage?

[ionic laurel]

Last I remember it was plasma or vraks for most people

[wind grotto]

yeah 10% ranged damage would probably be better

[tall torrent]

Krak + fire team + agile engagement is extremely strong

[copper verge]

Most people on harder diffs run voice of command and just build around the main weapon they use

[elder fiber]

its not about the aura itself, its the pathing being really strong + in the middle

[copper verge]

The meta rn is plasma and it has been for a solid while ngl

[tall torrent]

Most builds don’t need that much ammo in the first place and there’re enough ammo on the map

[tall torrent]

Nah

Plasma is at best top 4-5

[copper verge]

Bolter is good too but that fat fuck takes like 3-5 business days to reload

[ionic laurel]

VOC makes sense, broken ability and broken pathing

[candid agate]

there wont be on bloody havoc according to what you said earlier

[ionic laurel]

Grenade recahrge alone is worth it

[copper verge]

What would you consider top 3 ranged?

[tall torrent]

Yea, havoc is just wack

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver
Vraks 5 infantry autogun
Recon XIV

4th and 5th are Boltgun & plasma

[copper verge]

Been running recon and it feels very powerful, but personally gameplay wise i prefer plasma tbh

[candid agate]

where's boltgun? top 10?

[cyan verge]

the zarona huh... cuz it's fast and hits hard?

[serene bough]

any leaked patchnotes

[ionic laurel]

I wonder if VOC itself is being hit or Tact awareness because thats the real problem

[copper verge]

He just said 4 lol

[cyan verge]

he... he just said...

[ionic laurel]

Maybe the hard knockdown too

[candid agate]

i did not see that

[cyan verge]

alas

[tall torrent]

Because its the only 1 tap breakpoint weapon that doesn’t necessarily care about headshots

Also it crit bodyshot 1 taps both ragers lol

[candid agate]

i need glasses lol

[cyan verge]

wow

that owns

[copper verge]

Am lying down now and i can actually have reading comprehension now that seven gnomes dont feel like they’re taking a shit in my head

[copper verge]

I love zarona on zealot i might try on vet

Big iron maxxing

[candid agate]

what a metaphor

[ionic laurel]

Is boltgun actually that good though because you basically have to use exec to really get value

[tall torrent]

Scab rager carapace torso
Dreg rager attack speed nerf
Gunner hitmass increase
Shotgunner hitmass increase
Obscurus force sword moveset change

Mainly content drop, not much for balance

[ionic laurel]

The gun is good though

[candid agate]

average veteran would smoke any cowboy in a gunfight

[copper verge]

I really like autogun but it feels so boring

[wind grotto]

I think the boltgun changes made it a ton better at least

[tall torrent]

Exe Boltgun is prob the highest damage build for veteran

[copper verge]

John veteran darktide gameplay

[serene bough]

scab rager carapace?

thats crazy

[cyan verge]

oh it's the other way around, dreg ragers attack slower and scab ragers get carapace, makes sense

[tall torrent]

It’s a good change

[cyan verge]

I was wondering if like dreg ragers were gonna get a mysterious chestplate...

[copper verge]

Average guardsman with experience yeah lmao

[cyan verge]

but no it's the other one

[tall torrent]

What’s not a good change is that havoc enemies get 1.35~1.5x health and it fucks every weapon in the game

[candid agate]

FINALLY I HATE THOSE RAGER SPEED BUFFS

[ionic laurel]

Ig its if you can justify the VOC loss

[copper verge]

Scab rager carapace

[serene bough]

i can get behind carapace ragers i guess

[copper verge]

Yeah

[serene bough]

as long as head is still flak

[copper verge]

Psword heavy to the head

[tall torrent]

Don’t worry havoc makes enemies attack 2x as fast so it basically doesn’t matter

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[cyan verge]

to be fair during that fight the veteran would say 'put the karkin boot in' and magically resist every cowboy bullet fired at him before sliding up and dumping the magazine into the guy so uh yeah

[copper verge]

Wtf

[serene bough]

yes this is going to be difficult

i dont want to use vraks 5

reee

[candid agate]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-relax-game-gif-26468545

i will play it anyway

[copper verge]

Yeah

Autoguns are fun

But i hate using them

Im 40k years in the future lemme use futiristic shit dammit

[tall torrent]

U don’t have to

Behold the true havoc meta gun for veteran

[copper verge]

Lmao

[cyan verge]

lol

too bad the imperium has no futuristic shit

[ionic laurel]

Havoc meta is going to be so rigid, survivalist aura 100% getting taken every build

[cyan verge]

they're like "behold - an automatic grenade launcher"

[serene bough]

mfw falter is meta

[tall torrent]

Yea because it drops your ammo gains from pickups by 75%

[candid agate]

@copper verge dont change what isnt broken

[copper verge]

Tbf lasguns are very futuristic by today’s standards

[wind grotto]

is it going to be maniac I didn't do the math on damage types for what trait is better in havoc

[copper verge]

Armies would kill for a lasgun

[cyan verge]

oh, yeah I guess lasguns are

[tall torrent]

Welcome to havoc buddy

[somber axle]

Does Falter still meet the new stagger breakpoints?

[serene bough]

you gon run 3 THP curio or 2 THP 1 Stam?

[tall torrent]

Idk the new stagger breakpoints in havoc

[tall torrent]

wtf is THP

[somber axle]

That's fair

Needs testing

[serene bough]

temp HP

toughness

[ionic laurel]

Legit the dumbest thing I have ever seen, artificial difficulty is crazy

[wind grotto]

everyone just calls it toughness here my man

[tall torrent]

Darktide has no temp HP

[candid agate]

is it vermintide 2 again

[wind grotto]

it is absolutely not how temp hp works

[ionic laurel]

Psyker is just smite soulfire every game for sure as well

[copper verge]

They require less training since no bullet drop, simplify logistics cause infantry can charge their fucking ammo slthemselves (just need replacement mags and parts), less moving parts, lightweight and no ammo weight

Also they canonically hit with the force of like, a 50 cal which is hilarious

[tall torrent]

Same 2 health 1 toughness

Oh also

[paper trellis]

You running kraks to compensate for no carapace damage on las?

[cyan verge]

he meant... THP as in... TougHnessP. TougHnessP curios.

[tall torrent]

Havoc has
-45 max toughness
-35% max health

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[copper verge]

The standard iirc military combat load is i think seven mags? Which is 210 rounds of ammo

[tall torrent]

No, power sword

[copper verge]

Seven SMALLER lasgun mags hold like 700 shots total

And they fucking charge in the sun or in a fire

[cyan verge]

my query is so like enemies do more damage and we have less defense, is this just going to be like the 'don't get hit ever' gamemode

[tall torrent]

I really do think

[somber axle]

If the steam guide is anything to go by, the first 20 levels are just equivalent to Malice/Heresy, 21-30 is Damnation and since they've said you will not need rank 40 to get the new set it shouldn't be too tricky. The hardest part of earning the new set will probably be finding a consistent group to run with

[tall torrent]

Mk7 infantry lasgun is gonna be the meta gun for veteran in havoc

[wind grotto]

I think frags are going to be way more important in havoc if the insane amount of ragers from that video someone linked here is the norm at high levels of it

[tall torrent]

U get ghost to tank shooters to compensate for the increased ranged enemy aggression & reduced toughness

U get falter to interrupt specialists

[cyan verge]

to be fair it is said if you throw it in a fire to charge it the lifespan and max capacity is lowered a bit or something...

[somber axle]

Does this mean triple HP curios LMFAO

[candid agate]

issue is after a while they hold less charge, and eventually become almost unusable with how little ammo they hold after a lot of recharges

[copper verge]

Im prob just gonna run a few normal damnation missions to farm mats to build a kantrael 7

[tall torrent]

Could be? I’m not totally sure

[somber axle]

Havoc balance is going to be nuts

[tall torrent]

It has no balance

[candid agate]

there wont be a balance

[tall torrent]

Buddy it straight up kills like 80% of veteran’s arsenal