veteran-class

[loud belfry]

just don't do less than 40% of the top player's damage and you'll be fiiine

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-24015903

[fervent quiver]

Learning that the dclaw can tank overhead crushers made me want to throw my keyboard

I thought it was a glitch

[remote sonnet]

You can tank mauler overhead as well, lol

[placid portal]

That top player is Glugger Og
I am going to lose

[fervent quiver]

I knew that, but the crusher surprised me

[remote sonnet]

With VOC, you can trade blow with DH

[earnest bone]

steal all the ammo before him

[placid portal]

Cant do it to the big man, he shared me his stimpacks 😭

[fervent quiver]

Find a barrel

Ask him for a picture

Done

Or option 2

Pray that it's a lights out

Shoot all daemonhosts

Or option 3
Play on the snow map. Done.

[placid portal]

Would be funny if that mission modifier increased DH spawns

[fervent quiver]

I'm pretty sure it does?

[placid portal]

[fervent quiver]

Either that or I have extremely terrible luck with DH spawns on lights out

[remote sonnet]

Some of my run had 5 DH

[fervent quiver]

So when are we getting DHs on the train mission?

As though it's hard enough in pugs

[loud belfry]

can daemonhosts be knocked off ledges to their death? or do they just float like they do

I mean shit even if they fell the mf can teleport back

[fervent quiver]

Yeah they can

Case and point, zealot

Zealot chant

[loud belfry]

id argue that that makes no sense but it's fine

[fervent quiver]

Power of Christ compels the skibidi toilet off into the abyss

[remote sonnet]

I did the Auric damnation on rolling steel the other day, it was amazing

Not a single person was down.

[earnest bone]

zealot chant, VoC vet or Krak nade

ogryns things

[pure kindle]

'Gunners' is only the Specialist Machinegunners, btw: not the lil' guys.

[fervent quiver]

A squad of mobian 6th guardsmen will tear you apart faster than any gunner can

[earnest bone]

wait for fat moebians in havoc mode

if you missed the event

[pseudo fiber]

Fat fuck moebians modifier (Havoc exclusive)

[earnest bone]

those guys are funny

they have HP like ragers

travel in group of like 30+

flak armor + unarmoured head

[fervent quiver]

And they have hotshots

So essentially, the ogryn is gonna die in 3 seconds

[earnest bone]

you can stagger them, so ogryn will be playing ping pong

[fervent quiver]

The zealot will play the game like normal because laspistol

The psyker might just cry

[earnest bone]

smukers will arise

[fervent quiver]

And the veteran might never leave cover

[earnest bone]

smoukers

smykers

[fervent quiver]

Cause it turns out

30 hotshots are insane

AND 30 MORE ARE COMING FROM BEHIND

[dry cloak]

I think im gonna unwillibgly evolve into smyker

And if not the i will use only for penance

[runic axle]

What's the best plasma stat allocation?

72 thermal and 68 charge rate or something?

[dry cloak]

Yes

[grand perch]

@tired egret

[cyan verge]

I had a perfect plasma gun then when I upgraded it the stats changed for some reason so that was cool

[loud belfry]

that happened when the rework first happened. I think it's because you consecrated first

[cyan verge]

....... are you not meant to do that

that is probably what I did

because instinctively I'm like oh it's white, if I am gonna use this I better make it orange

[loud belfry]

you can do it now no problem but back then it seemed to be a bug

[shadow dagger]

consecrated it before... what? 😭

before using it?

[loud belfry]

before empowering

[cyan verge]

well it just bugged on me the other week so I am gonna guess it still can happen

[loud belfry]

[cyan verge]

idk if I care though like whatever its fine

[shadow dagger]

is it actually confirmed that consecrating before empowering actually did have a chance of changing some numbers

or is it entirely anecdotal

[cyan verge]

same plasma gun

[loud belfry]

anecdotal

I guess it's either the item is just cursed to change its potential or you could maybe fix it by empowering first. not much of a loss, probably, to empower first.

[shadow dagger]

either someone has some diamantine they should share with the rest of us or theyve used an unusably small sample size

but honestly idk

the two systems seem relatively unrelated so it would be weird if doing one before the other would actually have any effect

[loud belfry]

I do have an extreme amount of resources but my sample size isn't good enough to make a conclusion for sure

[cyan verge]

it shouldn't, right? but it happened to me lol

[loud belfry]

I think what we need is someone who it happened to but they didn't consecrate

[fervent quiver]

Did you incense the machine spirit?

Did you properly appease the machine spirit?

Did you give a blood sacrifice?

[loud belfry]

apparently not. my perfect item changed before my eyes to something less perfect. tragic.

[fervent quiver]

Same, I swear the exact same thing

[shadow dagger]

my guess is that its a symptom of some leftover system where stats have hidden decimals

which would seem really unnecessary even before unlocked n loaded

[loud belfry]

I mean maybe but the value changes by quite a lot

iirc it changed the potential points around by >4

it really shouldn't be possible for the value to even change. maybe change the stat by one? sure, that'd make sense as a rounding meme, but the stats changed by more than that so it's really weird.

it's a super rare bug though so who fuggin knows. if I had infinity resources I'd test it out but that doesn't seem worth

[cyan verge]

it could be a rounding thing, I don't know for sure, I am not an expert but like if weapons generated by the game get their values as like a float (so like 0.2243234234 or something heat generation), maybe when you modify them the game normalizes them and rounds up or down to, I guess the second place as it feels like, and when you have values that fluctuate in a small way (0.15 to 0.30) then maybe like 0.21644353 > 0.22 is like 3%

[mortal sable]

I've seen point vaules change a few times but its never more than 2 points

[cyan verge]

yeah

which would make sense for it to be a rounding thing

[mortal sable]

could it be the starting point affects if it'll round

[pseudo fiber]

I've had it swap like 5 which is annoying when you're minmaxing

But it happens

[cyan verge]

yeah oof

I fortunately have so far only seen my plasma gun affected

[pseudo fiber]

60 damage flamer got taken away

Though it only cost like 400k to get a good one

[cyan verge]

oh is 60 dam flamer the way to go, I thought the dump was mobility

[pseudo fiber]

Difference in damage between 60 and 80 is 2

2 damage

Flamer does no impact damage anyway mainly from burn

So dump damage

Or mobility

You can do that too

[cyan verge]

hm, true I suppose, but I guess it would depend on how it ticks the damage

cuz if that's hitting, like a lot, then it might be worth it I dunno

hmm

I would love to know what 'braced fire burning intensity' is

oh well

[stoic thorn]

What's the best mark for the Lasgun

[dry cloak]

Green one

[stoic thorn]

Top middle or bottom

[cyan verge]

that's the mk VII and it's the best one because it is the least fucking frustrating to use

[void lava]

whats a good build?

[cyan verge]

wait no it isn't it's the Mk IIb

that's the good one

[stoic thorn]

I use the blue one

[cyan verge]

depends what you want to do

[stoic thorn]

Not too good at hitting weakspots

[cyan verge]

the blue one is the IIb

[stoic thorn]

The fast firing one

[cyan verge]

ye

and you want the IIb purely because when you squeeze the trigger, you actually get a shot out

instead of the other two where you press LMB and then nothing happens because they have a firerate of like 8 RPM

[stoic thorn]

I run exe stance

That good for the lasgun?

[cyan verge]

I mean sure why not

[stoic thorn]

But my lasgun ain't doing too much against the bosses

Not like my boltgun or recon las

[cyan verge]

that's just not its thing I guess

[void lava]

the most used one?

[cyan verge]

if you are really lost for veteran builds just try this it'll be fine

[bright cove]

Recon lazgun (slowfire/high damage version) - infernus or dumdum?

[teal canyon]

Infantry Autogun

[pseudo fiber]

Dum dum

[bright cove]

TY

[cyan verge]

both the IAG and the recon are godly

[regal belfry]

what is better frag or krak

[teal canyon]

Frag

[dry cloak]

Depends

[teal canyon]

Deleting horde give more time and room for the team than killing one crusher

[regal belfry]

i like to blow up bullwarks and monsters

[pseudo fiber]

But also frag

[dry cloak]

I do that in 3 shotgun rounds

[regal belfry]

for example an full auto rifle or plasma with ds4 what to that

[dire oriole]

Depends on your primary for example I run Bolter so I use frags however on another loadout I use recon las and I did kraks work better with that

[teal canyon]

Im really trying not to instadelete crushers when teammate throw krak

[regal belfry]

i am used to that and i don't mind it happening

like i know it can happen i don't force teammates to hold back they should do their best

[teal canyon]

Frag stun, bleed and give room in mixed hordes

[dry cloak]

Kraks delete monsters

[teal canyon]

Knife literally twoshot on auric

Why bother?

[dry cloak]

Toothpick is for people that play k ife zealot

[teal canyon]

After latest event i really don't see bosses as a threat unless there is horde or demonhost nearby

[loud belfry]

as a zealot i see bosses as the opposite of a threat, as fun

[teal canyon]

Yeah. They are danger only if other mobs present

As they limit your kiting

[cyan verge]

I agree kraks feel pretty underwhelming right now

[regal belfry]

maybe just speed up kraks

[loud belfry]

i like can opening and yelling at bosses as the ogryn when a vet is doing krak. it probably makes the krak do a lot more damage, presumably

[earnest bone]

its okay, they can still kill 2-3 crushers or bulwarks with one throw (i dont throw them at maulers)

and provide you with a stun window

to kill the boss

[regal belfry]

i think best buff for kraks would be a delay reduction

[earnest bone]

yeah

[regal belfry]

i mean they do enough when it comes to damage and cc

[earnest bone]

it will deal with complains like

i throw a nade, but the crusher is dead before explosion - xXxCoDVeteranxXx

[median portal]

when the powercreep runs away from the krak

i remember a time when everyone ran kraks all the time

[regal belfry]

or when you are in a pinch quick crusher kills

[median portal]

and we didn't obliterate elites in half a second

[cyan verge]

kraks DO deal good boss damage I guess yeah

[balmy flume]

The thing is, every other gun got buffed to be able to teal with bigger things like Crushers and such.
Though Krak does remain the most ammo efficient way of dealing DPS to monstrosities.

Not like me trying to get the health bar to move remotely using Bolt Pistol lol

(Even on a BoN weakspot it…isn’t terribly impressive.)

[median portal]

I always run kraks personally

good to have in the backpocket

[tough tiger]

New update is in a day, mew update, just a day away

I'm so excited by this information

[runic axle]

What power sword is better?

[dry cloak]

Mk6

[cyan verge]

oh really, I've been using the mk III

[regal belfry]

overhead instead of stab

[pseudo fiber]

Horizontal lights
Push attack into light doing absurd damage

Very very good weapon

[grand perch]

But so booooriiiiing

[regal belfry]

mk3 had diagonal lights and horizontal heavy

[placid portal]

Power Swords when their whole gimmick is to turn on the power mode to cleave everything

but fuck that, Mk1 Devil Claw Push attack has abyssmal reach WTF

[regal belfry]

for relic power swords you need to work they have dynamos

[pastel yew]

can't you make this argument to like... literally everything though? nothing in this game is a threat really, so just take whatever nade your melee doesn't deal with. slow boss kill with melee? take kraks... bad horde clear on melee? take frags. feels like the vast majority of the time kraks do more though, outside of getting revives I rarely find myself in positions where I think "man I wish I had frag grenades right now"

[pastel yew]

when the vast majority of melee weapons in this game are just light spam idk

or heavy spam

at least the mk6 is a two trick pony

[placid portal]

I usually find my melee weapon choices doing Heavy Light or Vice versa

Or push attack Heavy

[grizzled pebble]

Power sword has poop mobility

[oblique totem]

Power sword needs to be redone

[grand perch]

If one light spams most melee weapons, they're not using them to their full potential

[pastel yew]

light spam or heavy spam is a load of weapons though

heavy swords, catachan 4, dueling 4, thunder hammer, chainswords, the list goes on and one

combat axes

like

very few weapons have a good push attack

and very few weapons have a good alt attack

and very few weapons have an interesting varied move set

even fewer a combo of the lot

idk the depth of melee combat for most weapons is literally "do I spam lights, or do I spam heavies" and any weapon that isn't that, has a mark which is and is likely better

again see catachan or dueling sword mk4

[serene bough]

there are plenty of weapons that have combos

[grand perch]

a very simplistic but untrue view imo

[pastel yew]

I mean which weapons dont fit that mold?

and don't have a better mark which does

like the shovels

[grand perch]

tac axe, shovel, combat axes, knifes, devils claws...

[pastel yew]

combat axes absolutely do not

maybe the antax but I've not used it

which would fit it in the better mark that does category with the rashad

devil claws the same

mk4 is just light or heavy spam with an interesting alt

[grand perch]

rashad caxe push attack is absolutely crucial to dealing with rager hordes

[pastel yew]

knives and shovels for sure dont fit the mold, tac axe no idea as I dont use em

[pastel yew]

imagine using your melee to kill ragers

[grizzled pebble]

I spam light on rashad

[pastel yew]

when grenades and gun exists

[grand perch]

so you arent using melees to their full potential

[void lava]

what blessing should i go for for my Mk II

[pastel yew]

if you're using your melee weapon, to fight the strongest melee foe

I'd argue you're not playing efficiently?

[cyan verge]

... um

[pastel yew]

you dont play into an enemies strengths in anything

that's just poor play imo

[cyan verge]

you do know there are multiple melee weapons that absolutely destroy ragers right

[grizzled pebble]

I spam light and heavy on ds4.

[pastel yew]

mhm for sure, but all ranged weapons do too

I'll use a melee if I''m running something that can one tap them or parry

but if not why bother

q > shoot > they're instantly dead 0 risk

[grand perch]

so yes. intensely simplistic view of melee weapons

[grizzled pebble]

Mfw ds4 has no combo and it's either push attack, light spam, or heavy spam.

[pastel yew]

I mean point out the flaw

[grand perch]

the flaw of not b eing able to use your melee?

[pastel yew]

I cant drive my car on the ceiling either, doesn't mean I'd ever want to?

again

why would you bother, if you can shoot them at less risk

[grand perch]

completely relying on ranged weapons and an expendable resource like nades to deal with a rushdown horde enemy?

[serene bough]

pretty much every weapon besides dueling sword and i guess rashad have combos

[pastel yew]

expendable resource

there are no expendable resources on vet

if you run out, god help your soul

[grand perch]

dont be ridiculous man

you act like itsimpossible to spend 3 grenades

[pastel yew]

you literally generate them

out of your ass

[serene bough]

knife, devil claw, shovels, heavy swords, hell even chainsword/chaxe has weapon combos

[pastel yew]

you should basically never be out of grenades if you're using them as and when needed

same with ammo, even outside of vet running out of ammo is basically impossible if you have even mediocre aim with most weapons

resource scarcity is not a thing in darktide

[cyan verge]

it is sometimes and then what are you gonna do, cry about it and die?

[pastel yew]

other classes can struggle with nades for sure though but... most zealots are taking throwing knives

[pastel yew]

I mean doesn't happen to me, it's not resource scarcity that kills me it's a fucked up dodge

[cyan verge]

this feels like a meaningless conversation, what are we even arguing about here

[grand perch]

no no its a mathematical impossiblity to run out of nades and or ammo to shoot ragers apparently

[pastel yew]

I'm not saying it's mathematically impossible

I'm saying if you do

you're either wasting grenades when not needed

or

you cant aim

[copper verge]

do i need to complete the auric title penance in one session

[cyan verge]

what if your entire team picked up all the ammo and stole all the grenades leaving you nothing

[copper verge]

like, if i log out will it save

[serene bough]

sometimes you need to spam a few shredders to get out of a sticky situation

[pastel yew]

it saves

[copper verge]

ah ok

[pastel yew]

though you can't die

[copper verge]

im 4/5 rn

yea

[pastel yew]

or fail any runs

holy shit imagine having to do it in one sitting

[copper verge]

rotation is gloriana again i hate that mission on auric

yeaa

ill do it tmrw lol

[pastel yew]

I just dont think those situations crop up less than 2 minutes apart on average like

[willow thicket]

how does weapon specialist interact with double barrel?

[pastel yew]

and thats if you dont take uh... the other grenade gen talent

I forget its name

[cyan verge]

what do you mean

[cyan verge]

like how do you mean how does it interact

[willow thicket]

when you aim the gun it shots both barrels

[pastel yew]

the guaranteed crit applies to both barrels if fired at the same time, but the ammo generated will only ever be 1 shell I think. it rounds up to the nearest

[willow thicket]

ok thats what i wanted to know thanks

[pastel yew]

so melee > swap 1 shell > melee > swap now both

[copper verge]

What are the easiest missions to do in auric mael btw

I know for a fact its NOT gloriana

[pastel yew]

hab dreyko

I promis... dont check

[cyan verge]

hab dreyko is one of the hardest missions isn't it

[copper verge]

The stupid logistratum one is okay but I kept getting downed by the dog hordes and every time I went in we had no psyker

[cyan verge]

me personally I would say like comms plex is pretty easy

[copper verge]

I like the radio station one i forgor what its called

[pastel yew]

yeah imo it's the hardest

[placid portal]

Not hard, just really cqc imo

[copper verge]

Comms plex is easy on any difficulty tbh, open map moment

[pastel yew]

mostly because doing the end event solo is extremely annoying

you constantly get hit

[placid portal]

Hab dreyko is if you have CQC build Kekw

[serene bough]

idk where you get your numbers but i guess it depends on how many grenade regen talents you end up taking

[copper verge]

Hab dreyko, logistratum, fucking sanctum gloriana

[willow thicket]

hab dreyko feels a lot easier after they changed the minigame

[pastel yew]

2 minutes, 1 grenade per minute

you use 2 frags whenever something bad happens

or. something really bad at least

even then you have 3 or 4 max cap

[copper verge]

Gloriana is cancer just because bosses can spawn at the beginning which can just throw you off

[placid portal]

Nothing but a bit of Empra's favor and Luck can't fix

[copper verge]

Or you get stealth barreled

[pastel yew]

per minute with only one grenade gen talent

less time if you have both

which you probably should if running frags as it lets you use them more liberally for fun

assuming auric maelstrom or whatever, I guess it wouldnt be worth the lower the difficulty gets

[loud belfry]

one time I spawned in on an in-progresd gloriana and instantly died to a barrel

[serene bough]

so if you need to pop 2 shredders but only have 1, you'd wait to generate a 2nd instead of just throwing the one you have

[pastel yew]

man the first day of the minigame swap was hillarious, no one knowing how to do it so you just watch people sit on tree forever

[placid portal]

I spawned in a mission just to insta aggro DH

[pastel yew]

no you'd throw the one you have, but like.. you should never be in that situation

?

[serene bough]

that just doesnt make any sense

[pastel yew]

so to be in that situation, within the last 2 minutes you'd have to have used both to deal with some crisis

and now you're in

another crisis

?

within 2 minutes of eachother 2 really bad situations

[cyan verge]

I dunno I think hab dreyko is just really really hard because the auspex scan is like, many people just don't do it and it encourages people to split up which gets them killed and even at the end there's pretty much no resources in the final thing AND there are multiple nasty vantage points for enemies to attack you while you're waiting for the thing at the end and after all of that, after you get like two daemonhosts and three plague ogryns or whatever in those super tight corridors, you get the toxic af sprint to the end which, I think might be the only one of its kind in the entire game

[pastel yew]

that just doesn't really happen

[serene bough]

i dont think were playing the same game

[pastel yew]

I mean I'm playing auric damnation and maelstrom?

it's not getting more intense than that

[serene bough]

idk how many "crisis" situations there are in auric but theres plenty of times where you need to pop grenades

[pastel yew]

unless you're playing secret difficulty 7

[cyan verge]

oh secret difficulty 7 is my favorite

[pastel yew]

we probably just have different views of when to use grenades

I'm pretty resource stingy

[serene bough]

youre just speaking very theoretically

[pastel yew]

"am I or another player going to take a significant amount of damage or die?" >> use nade

other than that no

[copper verge]

Yeah thats one of the reasons why i dont wanna do gloriana auric lmao for the completionist at least

[pastel yew]

it's not theoretical its

literally just

cooldowns

[copper verge]

That and I have played that damn mission way too many times

[pastel yew]

2 minutes is the maximum amount of time between times you need to use grenades where you wont have them

like

that's not theory that's just objective fact

[grand perch]

You're voluntarily handicapping yourself by not engaging in the melee system beyond "just spam light or heavy" and refuse to see there's an opportunity to get better here
We absolutely do not play the same game

[pastel yew]

no I just choose to play optimally?

[cyan verge]

gloriana is okay but the one sticking point seems to be, the fucking 2 minute boss at the start, and the power thing right before the tram

[serene bough]

that just makes literally no sense

[pastel yew]

how

[serene bough]

how will you know when you don't need 1 or 2 shredder frags

[pastel yew]

if you're playing against any opponent, you play to their weaknesses, not their strengths

[cyan verge]

I think he's saying, 30% of the time, you need grenades, every time.

[serene bough]

just to pick one example, there's been plenty of times rager packs spawn and im left with one frag

[pastel yew]

? game experience I guess, you can see the enemies in front of you

all darktide is, is just rapid problem solving

[serene bough]

and id rather spend the frag to stagger ragers to prevent incoming team damage

[pastel yew]

again though, you can shoot them with 0 risk

if they're on someone

sure yeah nade

[serene bough]

thats the point, ragers are on people often

[cyan verge]

this sounds like a weapon choice thing because I know for some people like just shooting the rager is not acceptable but if you are spamming like plasma or something then yeah gg just shoot at them

[pastel yew]

but as vet your job is to play aggressively and stop that from happening with most builds

[placid portal]

Rager Cleaner 9000: Devil Claw

[serene bough]

sure, theoreically id shoot them first, but you can't tell me you've never been in a situation where a mixed rager/armor pack is coming towards you

[cyan verge]

the devil claw parry is godly

[pastel yew]

I'm gonna throw out a controversial take and say vet usually shouldnt play in the middle of the team or at the back

they should be at a flank or aggressively pushed to rapidly kill anything threatening

that's what special killers are meant to do

[placid portal]

I have +6 Stam with 36% block efficiency

[cyan verge]

wow

[copper verge]

I run my vet as a frontliner behind zealot, power sword plasma build

[cyan verge]

that sounds kinda fun

[copper verge]

Its pretty fun ngl

[cyan verge]

my build is: I am leveling mastery

[copper verge]

Lol

Real

[pastel yew]

as you should, the emperor doesnt want us hiding at the back

[cyan verge]

anyway me personally if I have an assault chainaxe and I see a rager I am going to beat his ass because for whatever reason just hitting them with the M1 stunlocks them and if you rev'd it's like a one-shot

[copper verge]

My curious are +3 stam, +15, toughness, +20 max hp

For all my enhancements i just use +30 toughness regen, +5 toughness, +4 combat ability regen

Voice of command spam

Lmao

Its so broken

[cyan verge]

I am waiting for a 21% hp relic

[copper verge]

Do hp relics go past 20?

[cyan verge]

yes I think they cap at 21%

and toughness is 17%

[loud belfry]

21 is best hp relic

[pastel yew]

yeah chain axe rager kills are easy, also man that weapon is so fun

[copper verge]

Oh it does

Yeah 21hp

Damn

[pastel yew]

I kinda ignored it forever as when I first tried it it was clunky and kinda shit

[placid portal]

esp the sticky light attack chain axes are dope

[pastel yew]

and honestly its still clunky and kinda shit but the sound design is so goooood

[cyan verge]

the chain axe also beats bulwarks and crushers and maulers

so it sucks at hordes but what you gonna do I guess

[placid portal]

Still dunno if I need thrust for Caxe

[serene bough]

i mean, everyone should, but the point is you can't predict the future and preemtively tell what the director is going to throw at you lol

[copper verge]

M1 chainaxe is so cursed, you dont expect it to be that good single target lmao

[placid portal]

ChAxe*

[pastel yew]

it's not too too bad at horde but yeah its... not ideal

[cyan verge]

just let any one of the three zealots in your game kill the horde for you

[pastel yew]

I think you need to take slaughterer or the other power buff if you wanna deal with hordes well

[cyan verge]

that's my strategy

[pastel yew]

but if you do that then no thrust

which means no funny crusher one tap on vet

[pastel yew]

no but you can see the future in a way no? enemies spawn a distance out and you have from then until they reach you to deal with them

[serene bough]

no, i cannot see the future in a way

[copper verge]

Ran with a 3stack of ogryn once as vet, i felt like a proud father after watching one with the shield aggro the demonhost and sit in a corner while the other 2 beat it to death like they were throwing a fucking beach ball back and forth

[pastel yew]

that's why I'd say that darktide is more of a muscle memory game than a giga skill game for the vast majority of players

[copper verge]

Shit was absurd

[pastel yew]

encountering a situation you'll just respond on reflex

[cyan verge]

this is why hab dreyko is hard

because you can't see anything

[copper verge]

Darktide feels very muscle memory for me tbh

Esp on veteran plasma gun

[cyan verge]

there are some maps sure where you can look like 300m away and be like oh hey 30 ragers, I see

[copper verge]

I feel like im playing a rhythm game

[cyan verge]

there are some maps where, you have no hint at what's coming until you are meleeing it

and that is an oof

[pastel yew]

hab dreyko is hard because you cant do the objective without getting fisted and very rarely will people try do it or help

[cyan verge]

yeah

yeah...

[pastel yew]

I dont think you get hit out of the thing anymore though right?

[copper verge]

Yes

Hab dreyko with 4 bombers

[pastel yew]

but I Guess even then you're tanking damage

bleg

[copper verge]

[cyan verge]

only ogryn I think can tank and do it

[pastel yew]

yoo honestly

2 dimensional osu

[cyan verge]

but others can at least be shot, just no one can melee you

[pastel yew]

click the circles

[copper verge]

lmao

Nah but

Power sword is just

Light light heavy special most of the time

[pseudo fiber]

You guys aren't at divine foresight with your gameplay yet?

[pastel yew]

I've not been keeping up with the game too much but didnt they change this whenever that cancer train mission dropped?

[copper verge]

Or honestly just 6 light soecial

[pseudo fiber]

Shame.

[copper verge]

Lmao

[cyan verge]

hm

maybe it's specific to that mission I don't know

[copper verge]

The one with Dukane?

[pastel yew]

yeah, with the time limit

[cyan verge]

I just don't think I've been knocked out of hacking as ogryn before

[copper verge]

Honestly i like the train mission call me crazy

[cyan verge]

that's

rolling steel

[copper verge]

Sucks on auric

But on casual

[pastel yew]

I think ogryn had it always

[copper verge]

Its fun imo

[pastel yew]

but then other classes got it in that patch

[copper verge]

I hate than stupid decode minigame tho

[cyan verge]

I don't really like rolling steel, I think it shouldn't be in quickmatch

[pastel yew]

I'd enjoy the train mission if everyone was geared in

but there's always one person that dies 1000m back

[copper verge]

Where you have to just stroke your shit and stay at the computer trying to keep that shit in the circle

[pastel yew]

and I have to make the awful choice of "do i go back to save them and probably lose the mission... or do I just press on"

[copper verge]

Rendering your support useless 😭

[stoic thorn]

How I deadass look as 2 psykers throw the fucking game

[pastel yew]

also yeah the minigame is

[cyan verge]

I actually don't mind the minigame but if I do it I won't be helping and I am usually important to the team

[pastel yew]

so boring

[stoic thorn]

One smyker and a flamer psyker

[pastel yew]

locked in for 30s doing nothing

[copper verge]

Ive never had that happen thankfully

[stoic thorn]

And I cannot see shit because of them

[pastel yew]

and a lot of games people dont do the minigame

[cyan verge]

I would be OK doing the minigame every time if my team is competent

[pastel yew]

so in a mission with like a 10 minute time limit

you spend 1 minute

looking at a fuckng circle ;-;

[cyan verge]

by all means just give me, I can do it, I'm a god at keeping the circle in the middle

just do NOT let anyone touch me

[pastel yew]

I wish if you kept it in the middle it went faster or

[cyan verge]

yeah, it's

[pastel yew]

idk ... anything to not be on it for ages

[cyan verge]

oh yeah so

get this

[copper verge]

I lost at the end of the logistratum bc my smite psyker decided to try and move the ammo instead of cc 💀😭

[cyan verge]

the amount of time you have to complete the mission changes based on difficulty

[copper verge]

We had an ogryn

[stoic thorn]

God I hate the psykers

[copper verge]

He was moving them already

[pastel yew]

oohh?

[copper verge]

Psyker class is fun tho ngl, my second fave class tbh

Good psykers will turn any run into easy mode

[cyan verge]

I am like 99% sure it is the case because I had 50% of the time meter left on sedition, and I was 8 minutes in, which means you get something like 16-20 minutes probably to clear it, on sedition

[copper verge]

Especially if they have smite or shield

Cause damn

Smite with -40% peril generation perk is disgusting

Its like a fucking time stop

[stoic thorn]

What's the games problem with spawning us into middle of missions with pre installed corruption and little ammo

[pastel yew]

probably the best designed skill tree but I hate most of their weapons ngl... they're only my second favourite because gun psyker and the voidstrike exist... based weapon

[pastel yew]

it's kinda weird you have a longer time limit on lower difficulties given you also have lower enemy density... but I guess it makes sense

honestly I'm just glad it's not gonna be in the havoc queue

because I really do not like that mission

[copper verge]

I like voidstrike a lot tbh but voidblast feels better in most situations (for me at least)

Psyker force sword is meh for me

[runic axle]

Okay so after several hours of using power sword I- I don't get it. It seems to only be better against crushers and maulers compared to Rashad and the charging up is anoying.

[cyan verge]

if your entire team is switched on and playing seriously you can do it but uh yeah

[copper verge]

I prefer power sword a lot more

[pastel yew]

the force sword with a thrust is kinda cool... but I think that's just because I'm biased to thrusting weapons

and the mk6 power sword thrust is better anyway so yeah I get you

[cyan verge]

the thing about the power sword is it also completely OBLITERATES hordes and if you use power cycler then you get multiple swings

[copper verge]

You get used to charging up, i charge it literally every 4-6 lights

Lol

Yeah

Power cycler power sword

Is so stupid

Like genuinely

Oh my god

[cyan verge]

the power sword isn't just like oh you kill crushers or just kill maulers, it kills everything including bosses and ragers and anything else

[pastel yew]

you literally need it for the weapon to be not poo poo tho

[cyan verge]

ye

[pastel yew]

it's just a blessing tax

[cyan verge]

which is a shame since -1 blessing basically

[copper verge]

I have a clip back on my pc running auric mael against the mutant horde modifier

Its so funny

[cyan verge]

but, it's so strong that like well whatever

[runic axle]

I know, I have power cycler + Brutal momentum, but it still feels worse than Rashad with Headtaker and Brutal momentum

[copper verge]

I killed so many muties with power sword

[pastel yew]

I wish there was a second blessing that caps you at one swing but... does something??? so theres at least a trade off

true the rashad is the king of "you will take these"

[copper verge]

You kinda have to spam charge it unfortunately

[cyan verge]

idk if it always one-shots mutants but it does sometimes

[copper verge]

But ig its balanced because damn

[pastel yew]

brutal momentum is also a tax on most weapons that have it

[copper verge]

It usually two shots for me

One shot if headshot heavy

[cyan verge]

ah, might be me gettin headshots

[pseudo fiber]

At least relic swords are fixing the power sword issue

[copper verge]

Mhm

Relic sword?

[pastel yew]

what's different?

I know they have like.. a heat mechanic.. but I don't know how it functions

[copper verge]

Also I hope this two handed force sword goes hard

[pastel yew]

psykers eating good though god damn they get a fucking moonlight greatsword

[copper verge]

REAL

[pastel yew]

Ah, you were at my side all along. My true mentor. My guiding moonlight.

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-ludwig-my-true-mentor-my-guiding-moonlight-moonlight-gif-20321022

[copper verge]

Ngl im surprised vet doesnt get anything but then again we’ve been eating good like most of the game’s history lmaoo

[pseudo fiber]

It seems right now you activate it. It turns on a bar. So you swing as much as you want while it fills up. If you do it too much it breaks the weapon for a while while it cools down.

[pastel yew]

oh tenor is still dead

[runic axle]

What do you put on power sword, Flak and Maniacs?

[cyan verge]

yeah I was thinking like wait is it weird veteran gets the power sword, but I guess everyone else is getting 2-hand weapons lol

so whatever

[pastel yew]

hmm, kinda cool. definitely better than what we got now for sure but I'd have to see it in action to know

[copper verge]

I ran flak and maniacs but changed it to unyielding, might change it again to flak but i dont feel it necessary rn (or i might change to elites)

[pastel yew]

depends really, I like unyielding if its the mk6

[copper verge]

Ye i use mk6

But i dont use it against monsters or bulwarks often

Cause.. plasma

[pastel yew]

mmh the push attack has some degenerate scaling for bosses and ogryns

I have no idea why

[pastel yew]

saves a lot of ammo to be fair

[copper verge]

Idk if its just me

[pastel yew]

I rarely shoot crushers or bosses with the plasmagun

[copper verge]

But sometimes after charging the psword i oneshot crushers to the head

Yeah

Saves so much ammo

[pastel yew]

mostly because I'm stingy with resources.... and would rather just melee or krak them

[copper verge]

Ah i stopped running krak

[pseudo fiber]

You see a little in the havoc trailer

[copper verge]

Ive found shredder to be way more useful

[pastel yew]

they're too satisfying

I will say shredders will be more useful if you run a power sword but

I dont often need them with it really

[copper verge]

Fair

Sword has great horde clear

[pastel yew]

mhm

[pseudo fiber]

I think it's more the fact it doesn't really fit the aesthetic they're going for with Vet.

[cyan verge]

which is fine I guess

[pastel yew]

no vet weapon kinda blows though

gonna have a lot of fun on psyker and zealot

[copper verge]

Running psword and plasma with the scion helmet got me wishing we had a scion torso 😭

[pseudo fiber]

The one handed power sword is a tried and true guardsman weapon though

[copper verge]

I have the cadian heavy legs which is nice

[pastel yew]

might even try ogryn now as my main complaint with them was their lack of aim skill weapons

hoping the new stubber is good

[copper verge]

Gun ogryn is so disgusting

My friend runs the gorgonum stubber

He melted a demonhost in like 12 seconds with his build

Lmao

[pastel yew]

oh yeah

I know like... next to nothing about ogryn

but I know their gungryn boss damage slaps

I think it literally got nerfed

[copper verge]

Gungryn is so silly i love it

Very fun too

[pastel yew]

and is still this good

[copper verge]

I prefer melee ogryn shield with the loyal protector taunt

But gungryn is crazy

Wish they got a heavy bolter tbh would be funny

Am tempted to buy the black powersword in the shop bc it looks sick ngl

Darksaber vibes

[cyan verge]

what makes gun ogryn interesting is

they also still have pretty good melee performance just cuz they're ogryn so

you just take like a good pickaxe and you mulch hordes with your melee as well as vaporize specials and bosses

the only tradeoff is ogryn is slow af

[void lava]

hello what stat do i want at 60% for chainsaw as veteran?

[cyan verge]

mobility I guess

[void lava]

ty

[copper verge]

I thought chainsword was good until i had a taste of power sword

I prefer it way over the knife for plasma tbh too

I feel like a toothbrush sweeping through these heretics with that thing fr

Get these nurglelites some listerine and a shower

[pastel yew]

the heavy 1 on the ogryn shield makes me so unreasonably weakkkkk god it's so good

one of the best animations for a melee weapon

[copper verge]

Shield smack is funny

[cyan verge]

yeah the shield is pretty sweet

[copper verge]

And rly good

[cyan verge]

the H2 I think has infinite cleave too which is like lol

[pastel yew]

especially with batter

honestly the damage on the shield might be slow but

it's respectable and free

I also dont really think the one handed chainswords are all that fun

might just be me though

I feel there are always other cooler stronger options

and whenever I use it I'm sad it's not an eviscerator

[cyan verge]

they're pretty average

they're like, OK at hordes and OK at specials but not great

the eviscerator is a bit better

[ancient path]

forward heavy with brutal momentum

BONK

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-gif-25538262

[ancient path]

i really enjoy the ripper and the heavy stubbers

heavy stubber with close-range barrage is what i wanted executioner stance to be.

but executioner stance is all about precision headshots and close-range barrage is just dakka

[copper verge]

Honestly with how the unlocked and loaded update overhauled things

They should change melk’s shop

Have things be 80/80/80/80/60

Its not bad for temp weapons when you like, first reach max

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-mental-breakdown-cringe-gif-27026754

[copper verge]

But damn i never buy shit from there anymore besides maybe curios

[pastel yew]

yeah I've only really bought things to trade in for xp

though I will be spending most melk bucks to curio farm

+3 stam curios are so elusive

I need 2 more for my vet for the mythical +9 stamina

[ancient path]

its so good lol

its why ive been kinda spamming ogryn rn.

[regal smelt]

turn in all melk tokens for random curios rolling for 21% and 17%, then none of the curios I get even go past 380 rating

[ancient path]

i like ogryn more than zealot but it could just be im bias that i cannot fuckin play my zealot from all of the zealots rn at 30

and 8/10 theyre ass.

so im not angry about it at all

but ogryn has also just been a good time

a little too 'spam heavy attack' but its okay

this game is kind of 'spam heavy attack' lol.

[regal smelt]

zealot has worse talent tree variation, ogryn has worse weapon options

[ancient path]

i enjoy ogryn weapons a lot more, tbh. tho zealot has eviscerator and thunder hammer.

but bull butcher and shield feel fantastic

pickaxe sound design is really fuckin' meaty.

[regal smelt]

ogryn melee is the worst aspect for me since the weapons dont feel different enough to be worth taking the straight worse versions

[ancient path]

zealot guns are okay but it really is just the fault of the overall gun meta rn to me. zealot really just ends up going bolter or revolver.

[torn gorge]

wdym

branx pickaxe feels very different

[ancient path]

branx pickaxe. 😩 so slow but maaan

fun combos

[torn gorge]

fun combos

and 1 tap city

[ancient path]

fun doinking carapace

[balmy flume]

I still enjoy the flamer TBH. Not the most meta but feels fun.

and with the upcoming Zealot PSword I can hack carapace

[ancient path]

flamer is really fun.

but its downsides are preeeeetttyyy heavy lol.

[torn gorge]

zealot on the other hand suffers from having inbalance between 2h and 1h weapons

[ancient path]

but i enjoy it a lot

[stoic thorn]

How's the lasgun doing rn ngl

[torn gorge]

with the latter being just better than the former

[regal smelt]

I like zealot guns with the accuracy and damage talent, lets you run anything just fine as long as you can carapiss

[balmy flume]

Very nicely

All of them

[stoic thorn]

It's enjoyable but I can't do much with it

I can't do a lot against maulers and crushers

[ancient path]

lasguns feel fine. recon las is really fun, infantry las is pretty ok. mk 14 (?) still is best to me

[stoic thorn]

Or kill very fast

With my infantry las

[ancient path]

which one are you using

[balmy flume]

You need Hellbore for that

[ancient path]

ya

[stoic thorn]

Uhh

Blue one

The bottom one

The one that can actually fire

[ancient path]

otherwise youre going p sword or combat axe to bust thru carapace.

[stoic thorn]

My team keeps stealing my kills :(

[balmy flume]

Also use Accatran if you like your Rapid Fire

[ancient path]

you could try the mk 14 (the heavy damage one) because it one shot headshots most of the non carapace cast.

if you want fast firing, play recon las

[stoic thorn]

Problem is

I can't headshot

[ancient path]

recon las it is!

even though recon las is a headshot weapon

[stoic thorn]

I'm more of wanting to improve precision

Rn I'm only really able to headshot ogryns and maulers

[balmy flume]

Sadly for precision work there is no substitute for practice

[ancient path]

i wasnt a fan of the non heavy infantry las because of the ttk and i hate rapid clicking.

[stoic thorn]

Everything else that comes barreling towards me is getting a shit ton of body shots

[ancient path]

yee.

[balmy flume]

But if you are not averse to switching weapons

[stoic thorn]

I use my chainsword to deal with just about anything close range

[balmy flume]

Autos and Bolts do lovely damage anywhere they hit

[stoic thorn]

Weapons specialist my beloved

[stoic thorn]

Ive got plasma, bolter, recon lasgun and combat shotgun on max

I know how hard a bolt can hit

[steady wolf]

wow so glad i launched the game randomly to check shop, reload 60 double barrel and 60 collat recon lasgun

[stoic thorn]

Love the combat shotgun

Wish it wasn't so ass though

[placid portal]

Agripinaa Shotgun: 🥹

1 shotting fools since 2023

[ancient path]

still kinda want the agrippina auto to do as well as the columbus.

agrippina is pretty okay, though

[balmy flume]

Was one of my go to guns before Bolt Pistol was a thing

Excellent heavy calibre rapid fire rifle

[ancient path]

i will just keep saying that agrippina needs a bigger mag.

[balmy flume]

Especially for cutting down that Trapper hiding in a horde

[ancient path]

35~ just isnt enough

[balmy flume]

True

[ancient path]

really with the columbus may as well having a goddamn drum mag.

[balmy flume]

When can we mod our own weapons for bigger mag 🤣

[ancient path]

me putting in a ripper box mag on my agrippina to just dream of it

[balmy flume]

Indeed

[ancient path]

i want my 40k AK47 to feel better.

[steady wolf]

vrak is pog

[ancient path]

vraks p okay.

kinda middle child syndrome

[torn gorge]

mk1 IAG is not really meant for magdump unlike vraks

tbh

[queen fox]

Middle child brauto is best imo

[cyan verge]

vraks is the light though, columnus is the midcore weapon

[queen fox]

77 shots in a magazine and high suppression means you can magdump at a group of ranged and suppress them all instantly

And then keep shooting until they all die

[stoic thorn]

Never using an agripinaa as a part of the larp session

[placid portal]

ngl I can recall only a few occurences of times you got full shooty in certain tilesets

[ancient path]

true but i feel like the ttk and the mag size doesnt line up, even as a higher power variant.

[white minnow]

last time i checked the values, their DPS were in a rough ballpark
vraks is naturally better because of the higher ADMs at close range (though worse ADMs at far), but agri is in the same ballpark as the columnus

some basic calculations (these are old names, so Graia = Columnus, and Columnus = Vraks)

of course there's breakpoints and whatnot to consider but their theoretical values are fine

[torn gorge]

MF/ES let you 1 tap headshot things on mk1

if you like more of a dmr style while retaining the ability to magdump a bigger target

but realistically its prob the least practical of the 3

[fathom imp]

Too much brain power, run bolt pistol and chains word, simple as 🤣

[tiny valve]

fellas I'm only level 15 would you recommend for the infantry autogun I take the Mk1 or the Mk8 (third variant I forgot the specific number)? I'm currently taking the Mk1 as I prefer the damage but idk why mk8 is unlocked last

[torn gorge]

you are just leveling up, play what you like the most

[cyan verge]

I may be brain broken cuz I just finished mastery on the shredder and I think it actually somewhat kind of has a place in doing like 1 thing and that is killing the easiest to kill specials, kind of, from mid range... and literally nothing else

[tiny valve]

Yeah that's why I'm currently taking the Mk1 as I like the accuracy but I feel like I'm missing something with the Mk8, it just feels like it's trading a third of its damage for a few more rounds.

[cyan verge]

oh

[fathom imp]

Quantity over quality, it's the way of the guard

[cyan verge]

I SAID, I am DONE with the SHREDDER

[grand perch]

i want a new vet weapon just to see how long it actually takes to master anything

[cyan verge]

I honestly have lost track

it takes a few games

it's not super long or anything

[pseudo fiber]

I'm gonna cheat frame 1 lmfao

[cyan verge]

anyway uh idk why the columnus is preferred but it probably hits the right breakpoints and so is more efficient because of that or something, I just know it has the best DPS cuz everyone says so

if you are still leveling then kinda all your weapons will be a bit junk

cuz low power, so low actual stats, missing blessings, refines etc

and talents too

my reward for finishing with the shredder is, I get to play with the boltgun now

yay

[tame lodge]

Stay with the Agripina until you unlock the Vraks 5

[languid terrace]

Bolter with slow-motion reload

[pseudo fiber]

Heavy mags you know fucking hell

[runic axle]

Want to try out the double barrel instead of the revolver in WS build. What's the dump stat for it, reload speed or range?

[real sorrel]

I dump reload speed cause range has netted me some pretty good kills. I don't know the actual math/meta though

[north pebble]

sleight of hand doesn't exist in 40k it seems

[thorn lark]

Range affects DMG.

[ocean idol]

How pinning fire exactly works?

[ancient path]

youre a mad man

[thorn lark]

It stacks against staggered targets

[cyan verge]

I played with it in damnation too

I regret that

[runic axle]

Getting pretty bad rolls for the Plasma gun. Thinking on just giving up with the perfect roll. Would this work too?

[tall torrent]

Usable

[torn gorge]

auto 🅱️istol

[cyan verge]

it is a bad weapon

[ocean idol]

I mean is it 1 stack per enemy, or 1 stack per staggering action?

[tall torrent]

1 stack per enemy successfully staggered

[devout patio]

I cant log in with the veteran class wth

[ocean idol]

log with another hero

then log with vet

[thorn lark]

If you shoot the floor near enemies, you gain 5 stacks

[pale pecan]

I give up on trying to get the perfect plasma gun

I've gotten 2 perfect stat ones now

69 Thermal 71 charge

And each time they end up at 64 Thermal 76 Charge

I give up

If I can't even get the stats on a weapon I want lmao

After paying to get the weapon with those specific stats

[grand perch]

its really not necessary to have these exact numbers on plasma. im not even sure if the rounding error affects your number of shots before overheating at all

[tawny timber]

[ocean idol]

and why do you even want those perfect stacks...

[pale pecan]

I'm dumping charge rate idc anymore

[cyan verge]

we were just talking about this earlier

[scenic oracle]

Don't need charge rate if you don't do charge shots

[cyan verge]

supposedly there used to be a bug where if you consecrated before refining then the stats could change

so you gotta fully uh 'empower' and then consecrate

[torn gorge]

is that an angle of "if its not the absolute best im not gonna bother"?

[cyan verge]

charge rate actually affects the regular shot too I think, the windup before firing

[scenic oracle]

I go for mostly the absolute best

[scenic oracle]

Very small if so

[torn gorge]

just play the game and once you have about 1M dockets start buying greys

[scenic oracle]

Already there

Diamantine is still the main issue

[torn gorge]

[cyan verge]

yeah

so like. I guess not that big a deal

[scenic oracle]

Charge rate dump stat 💪

I hipfire for ammo efficiency

[cyan verge]

I mean

you are meant to hipfire

never use alt fire ever

not on the plasma

[scenic oracle]

Yes

[cyan verge]

someone said yesterday it does double the damage of regular shot but costs the ammo of 3 shots so

[scenic oracle]

I heard it uses 9 ammo, keep forgetting to check in-game

[cyan verge]

ye

[crisp oak]

Yeah Im bad with the plasma

i also just discovered what empowering was yesterday

New itemization caught me lacking

[pallid jetty]

i hate the thing that you need to enter the stance of braced gun again after reloading, when with ogryn ripper gun you dont

[crisp oak]

Ive now found out why people run out of diamantine

[tawny timber]

bro ran out of diamantine

[crisp oak]

Nah still ran out of plasteel first

[ionic bear]

whats the godroll on the plasma gun

[crisp oak]

still got 10k

[pale pecan]

No just too much of a pain in the ass trying to get the "best gun"

Plus I'm tryna save resources for tomorrow.

[crisp oak]

You mean you arent just going to use it as a grey?

For like 30 missions

[tall torrent]

It’s noticeable

Going from 60% to 71% is around an 8.5% increase to firerate

[scenic oracle]

Eh

[tall torrent]

Considering that going above the 8 shot threshold with thermal resist does literally nothing

You’re just better off putting stats into charge rate

[scenic oracle]

I've actually been considering doing thermal resist as a dump stat to make use of the blessings better

Like how you edge psyker's peril for damage

[tall torrent]

Then u lose 1 shot in continuous fire

7 continuous shots instead of 8

I think it’s alright

Usually

[pale pecan]

Well if i get another 71 69 stat plasma gun I'll upgrade it to grey 1st next time 😭

[tall torrent]

But if u care about perfect rolls then it’s prob the safe dump

[scenic oracle]

That's fine for weapon specialist, which is what I run plasma on

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist plasma is a really tricky thing to build

[scenic oracle]

I run it quite effectively

Lotta nade spam too

Easiest build for me to speed through auric rn

[tall torrent]

You can’t take survivalist with WS on plasma and have full breakpoints

That’s the annoying part

[scenic oracle]

I do tho

2-3 taps crushers even

[tall torrent]

Crusher is not a major breakpoint

Gunners & flamers are

[scenic oracle]

One shots if head shot but that's in a bubble

Can't remember if it body shots

[tall torrent]

The 1 shot breakpoints make all the difference

[scenic oracle]

There's also the fact the first shot is a crit

[tall torrent]

Yea, it’s counting on crit RNG for breakpoint

I think for a gun that cares about consistency a lot, crit gambling is not rly worth it

[scenic oracle]

No 3 stacks of ranged weapon specialist is a gauranteed crit

Not rng

[tall torrent]

Yea I know

Do you have 3 stacks of ranged specialist for every gunner & flamer you plan to shoot

[scenic oracle]

Typically, yeah

Depends on if there's a horde

[tall torrent]

Plasma is really just

Fire team / focus target (take either)

[scenic oracle]

The build becomes a normal plasma build when they spam gunners tho

[tall torrent]

You don’t rly need survivalist anyway for plasma most of the time

It’s just a comfort pick

[scenic oracle]

I like survivalist based on the fact it also gives my team mates ammo

Ik how it is to run out of ammo on a gunlugger

[tall torrent]

Only like 2 builds outside of veteran actually care about ammo

[tall torrent]

Nah they can find ammo on their own

[pale pecan]

I mean, 3. There's one for each class.

[tall torrent]

If they can’t that’s their problem

[pale pecan]

Also yeah

[tall torrent]

Gun psyker
Gunlugger ogryn
Zealot doesn’t use a lot of ammo in general

[pale pecan]

Unless you're going for the flamer build with all the crits in the world

[scenic oracle]

Wish I could enjoy gun psker

[pale pecan]

I only really like Laspistol Psyker lol

Hoping it'll be a fun combo with the Greatswords

[hollow ibex]

gunker best psyker tbh

[tall torrent]

That’s just meme build tbh

But tbh

If I see one of those flamer spam zealots in my games and they exclusively flame everything

It’s their problem to find ammo

Not mine

And chances are

Anyone playing that kind of build is not knowledgeable with the game enough to know loot spawns

So they’ll spend half the game in yellow ammo and end up with 200k less damage than everyone else

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

At least in the current auric landscape, survivalist is not necessary for most builds outside of C-I-VI

The only veteran build I think genuinely requires it is Boltgun exe

Plasma is fine on pickups

[pale pecan]

See, it's mostly just meant for softening up mixed hordes and making engagements against Crushers/Monstrosities/Bosses in hordes safer.

[torn gorge]

gunlugger ripper gun is prob the worst offender, but also trying to run gunlugger with either rumbler/kickback is dicey

[cyan verge]

the kickback is honestly in a really good place atm imo

[hollow ibex]

glugger kickback / rumbler work great

[pale pecan]

Ripper has fallen behind when compared with the Heavy Stubbers

[cyan verge]

the achlys heavy stubber in particular is very very good imo

[tall torrent]

Yea, and that doesn’t happen much in most games

[torn gorge]

thats exactly my point achlys is much better and also synergise better with BLO

[pale pecan]

It's also fun to just play as a flamer and burn away swathes of enemies. I've got a lot of builds set up in prep for Havoc tomorrow

[elder fiber]

Most people don't learn how much ammo is needed to actually kill shit on flamer

[pale pecan]

Lots of Zealots don't know when they've applied enough DOT yes.

I run Blaze Away and Everlasting Flame with Crit Chance and Flak for burning Maulers. I basically never have to reload with Fury active.

It does really good CC damage, but you have to manage your ammo like he said

I definitely see the argument for Under Pressure Blaze Away, but I find the time I save doing dmg instead of reloading is worth the trade.

[hollow ibex]

The reload is annoying but not that slow

[ionic bear]

i had to triple check

he unironically

turns last fucking frame to nail you

thats insane

[cyan verge]

yeah I was like oh he's gonna miss

I can just but uhh yeah

[umbral parrot]

Team8s are your worst enemies sometimes

Also, HAVOC TOMORROW~! Let's flipping go~!!!

[stable ridge]

Anyone has any fun vet stealth build? Im trying to make something that uses a knife (maybe catachan blade) and shreder autopistol

[cyan verge]

please do not use the shredder lol

you may want to run bolt pistol instead

the laspistol is good too and the revolver

[stable ridge]

Issue is, I already have bolt pistol maxed out

[dry cloak]

get a combat axe and a shotgun with kraks infiltrate and weapon spec

[cyan verge]

if you just want to mastery it then good luck

[stable ridge]

Want to max out some different weapon (and not use stuff I use all the time)

[cyan verge]

it's pretty bad

[stable ridge]

It dosent have to be shredder

[short basin]

Whats the dump stat of the dueling sword?

[cyan verge]

for mk V it's defenses and for the other two mobility

[short basin]

Thanks

Is there anywhere a list for every weapon?

[cyan verge]

check pins

[short basin]

How big of a deal is it if 1% is missing on damage. Does it really make a difference or is it different for every weapon

[queen fox]

Knife is better on zealot tbh, but can still be made to work in vet. Be sure to take dodge buffs and crit talents imo

[cyan verge]

what level are you

[short basin]

30

[cyan verge]

oh then yeah you probably want to start caring about perfect weapon stats

if you just need some junk to level then it's probably fine to

just buy some thing

but eventually yeah you do want a gun with like 80% damage

perfect stats

[short basin]

Ok still figuring out the new gearing system. Haven't played for a while. appreciate the help.
Do I understand it correctly that you just can spam buying grey weapon til u get one with perfect stats, upgrade it to 500 and never need a different weapon from the same kind because you can change the blessing, perks and "subcategory" of the weapon as often as you want?

[cyan verge]

yes, you can buy junk grey weapons from that submenu and then fully upgrade it to a max power weapon and fully change the blessings and perks as much as you want

you can even change the 'mark' of it now too yes

[short basin]

Thats crazy

[cyan verge]

though keep in mind there are like one or two weapons out there that have 'marks' with a different dump stat

[grand perch]

if you absolutely want to use shredder, heres what i do to cope with that terrible weapon:

its meant for use with rashad axe but should work with knife too

[short basin]

I remember farming one blessing for one weapon for endless hours

[cyan verge]

for example this, and this

this also means if you see a mk IV with 60% cleave damage you can just change the mark to a mk V and then you have a 'perfect' mk V

because cleave damage changes to 'defences'

and, uh yeah

so blessings and perks just cost resources

nice and simple

you get resources by playing the game, you don't have to do anything special

[short basin]

Insane update of the gearing system. From one of the grindiest ones I have seen yet to one of the most convenient systems I have seen. Thanks for helping me to fully understand it. And yes I can see what you mean with different sats on different mark weapons I will keep it in mind.

[cyan verge]

yeah it's great honestly

and yes that means the main like, 'dockets' sink in this game, aka money, is you just buy grey weapons to get the stats you want

[iron cloud]

I can't get finesse 80% it's killing me 😭

No DS are ever being sold for me and they won't drop 💔

[clever hedge]

The struggle is real

[iron cloud]

80 FINEESE

BUT ONLY 72 CLEAVE

[balmy flume]

Get ready for the tide of PS5 players lol

[iron cloud]

Still has 80 pen tho

😭

what we thinking

do I just wait for less mobility more cleave or max this one out 🔥