veteran-class

[somber axle]

they have no idea how far from the team they are and either die to the net or disconnect

[umbral parrot]

My fav part is when they literally killed everything so they're just slowly dying to the net corruption damage.

[somber axle]

yeah LMFAO

that's the best

[somber adder]

Are you lucky enough to not have them in your matches anymore?

[somber axle]

I don't see them anymore weirdly enough

[umbral parrot]

Dueling Sword are the new thing.

[somber axle]

and I really only run Auric Damnation QP and Maels

[somber adder]

That is strange, many switched over to DS to be fair

[somber axle]

I guess they're just slower with DS4 now so they don't end up THAT far ahead of the squad anymore

[umbral parrot]

Yea, regardless, I play stealth Veteran so I can actually keep up. Only issue is my weapon is slow.

[somber adder]

I meat at least one every couple of matches in auric damn/mael

Meat

[umbral parrot]

So if a solo Zealot gets caught out, with Leave No One Behind, I can reach them in a few seconds.

Won't stop me from trash talking about how he can't even solo. lol

[somber axle]

I've seen Knife Zealots but not the creatures sprinting as fast as possible away from the team

[candid agate]

dont save him, make sure he dies and quits

[split sapphire]

I'm enjoying the dueling sword personally, i guessed i underestimated it being so powerful before since i mained either the chainsword or power sword. Now i main the dueling sowrd, lul :b

[somber axle]

I did see three Zealots engage in quiet PvP with each other with barrels

one accidentally popped a barrel near me, threw me off a ledge

then ignored me

the other 2 sprinted back

the Zealot who ledged me went down to gunner spam

they ignored him and let him die

[split sapphire]

karma

[somber axle]

all three of them were constantly trying to bounce each other with barrels the whole match

LMFAO

the other 2 took offense when I got bounced by accident I guess

[somber adder]

Zealot just attracts a certain kind of person I guess

[umbral parrot]

I'm already better than them. Once the mission is over, you better believe i let them know it lol

[somber axle]

I vaguely remember there was a Zealot who would abuse the Daemonhost aggroing onto 2 players by speedrunning to the first Daemonhost, slapping it until it wakes up and then disconnecting to drop a bot so it would immediately rush the team

idk what happened to them but I do remember a lot of people talking about running into them

[umbral parrot]

BOO!

[midnight totem]

-waves-

[somber axle]

I ran into them once and we just killed the Daemonhost and moved on LOL

[somber adder]

I JUST RAN INTO SOMEONE LIKE THAT YESTERDAY

[umbral parrot]

I hate how people who agro Daemonhost and then disconnect/leave.

[somber axle]

then Daemonhosts got rebalanced and only aggro onto one player

[midnight totem]

watching my new players walk into daemonhosts is entertaining

[oblique totem]

Average zealot main behavior

[somber axle]

I love my Recon Mk XII

[umbral parrot]

Average mid Zealot.

[somber adder]

They were ranting in textchat about our psyker for like 4 minutes and then found a dh and aggrod it and left lol

[somber axle]

someone aggro'd a Daemonhost recently and I was able to combat stim Exe Stance laser vomit the Daemonhost down before it could kill them

[umbral parrot]

There are some bomb Zealots out there that can literally solo everything! Gosh, I am jealous of some of their abilities.

[somber axle]

also yeah there are some insanely good Zealots

just actual unkillable monsters

[umbral parrot]

O M G I AM JEALOUS~!

I feel like, a Veteran is good at keeping the flow, but once that's broken, a Zealot can get out of it.

SAME WITH PSYKERS! Really good ones

[oblique totem]

Same thing, innit?

[somber adder]

For every 10 knife/ds zealots dying to the first rager/trapper there is one motherfucker who is clutching a well deserved win

[umbral parrot]

Can't say the same about Ogryns.

[somber axle]

maybe it's time to become a Psyker main...

[oblique totem]

I'll always be a vet main

[umbral parrot]

I'm just saying, Zealots need respect.

Because don't get me started with most Veterans! lol

[somber axle]

I'd like Psykers more if their helmets looked better than the weird collars/domes

but staff is so fun

[umbral parrot]

They look cute with funny glowing eyes.

[oblique totem]

Jokes aside, I've seen some damn good zealots

[midnight totem]

hope we get some good drip with havoc

[oblique totem]

It's the call of duty curse

[umbral parrot]

Lol, can't say.

Never played CoD

[candid agate]

i feel like i am one of those idiots some times

[midnight totem]

you gonna be around sneakycat?

[somber axle]

sadly no

I have D&D soon

[midnight totem]

alas

[somber axle]

then I must rest before work

[midnight totem]

well add me as a friend!

[somber axle]

will do!

next time I'm in Darktide

[cobalt crest]

https://i.imgur.com/OiGeUvR.jpeg

Hos this for a vraks build

[lusty sapphire]

You mean the "new" vigilant?

[brittle turtle]

whats your gun for it ?

[cobalt crest]

Vraks 5

[lusty sapphire]

Btw the day they fix the fire rate on these bad boys is the day that no one will be able to compete with me in elite kills

[compact marsh]

Kinda wish you could swap out the torch on the Infantry Lasgun for a bayonet. (And the Infantry Autogun too, for that matter)

[grand perch]

dont we all

[candid agate]

am i the only one who loves torches?

they are so atmospheric

[scenic oracle]

I like em

Glad ogryn is finally getting one

[grand perch]

cocktail stick bayonet my beloved

[lusty sapphire]

Get rid of red and show blue

@cobalt crest

[cobalt crest]

The Crit strings from opening salvo feel really nice though

Also I just have one point into focus target but I took it off and Tok the +5 Crit node

[lusty sapphire]

A bit of an odd one

I'd have rather gotten rid of the crits and picked mf

[cobalt crest]

What's mf

[lusty sapphire]

Marksman focus

[cobalt crest]

Wait I'm not using a vigilant autotune

I'm using the renamed columnus

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah

It benefits a lot from finesse

For crits and for hs dmg

[cobalt crest]

I hate staying still ngl

[lusty sapphire]

You don't have to

You have to shoot a horde at head level and you get full stacks + a few seconds of freedom

[cobalt crest]

Oh right forgot about that

[lusty sapphire]

Columnus will reap poxwalkers like a farmer reaps wheat

And then you can shoot elites

But that's honestly how I play it. If you don't like having to always focus on hitting weakspot it's fine going for crits

[cobalt crest]

I'm NGL I completely forgot that recon las and columnus can capitalize off of marksmsn really well

[grand perch]

day 402 of hoping they will make the precision keystone actually more useful to precision weapons

[thorn lark]

Wait for day 420 mate

[cobalt crest]

Wait @lusty sapphire aside from long range assassin what else is goid

Tunnel vision doesn't seem great and chink in their armor seems alright

[queen fox]

Make it so you only get stacks on ranged headshot kills and lose stacks over time, not while moving

Non-lethal headshots stopping decay is a lil dumb imo

[earnest bone]

it allows you to maintain damage on bosses

removing that may aswell remove the ability

since it would be an insane nerf to something that's already annoying to use

[vapid nacelle]

what is the knife's base crit

[tall torrent]

+15%

[vapid nacelle]

ty

[wild vortex]

huh, Bolter + Shovel is pretty good even with tier 2 blessings

damn 1hko gun

[balmy flume]

Is it just me
Or do people not realize that it is actually easier to advance on the roof of the train?

For operations?

[torn gorge]

ghost/falter flaniac with deadshot?

[tall torrent]

No deadshot

[torn gorge]

rip the only silver lining of synergy for that talent

[iron marten]

I use deadshot with a helbore

probably the only thing I use deadshot with lol

[torn gorge]

helbore is the funny gun

overkill most things with fully charged meaning a precise weapon is often time best used to bodyshot hipfire

[iron marten]

just gotta make sure they're REALLY dead

could never know with nurgle-infested stuff...

[tall torrent]

Just not worth it in most situations

And crits don’t have that many new breakpoints for mk7 infantry lasgun

It’s very hard to push it into a true 1 shot gun

[torn gorge]

what if i beg to get backstabbed by a silent rager while i tunnel vision ES/MF?

[tall torrent]

You still don’t need deadshot on it

Exe + MF can give u 1 taps

[torn gorge]

as a side note: is there any defined use case for the mk2 that is not already covered by the accatrans

[tall torrent]

IIb?

Yea it’s prob the best infantry lasgun

[torn gorge]

ye

orly

[terse idol]

I didn't know this

[torn gorge]

mk7 got overshadowed then

[terse idol]

You'd think being inside is easier

[tall torrent]

They do kind of different things

VII has the best TTK vs most enemies

2 headshot flamer & gunner
2 headshot shotgunner
1~2 headshot both bombers

But VII kind of doesn’t feel good to play without shock trooper which is 2 points

IIb is 2~3 shots to kill most of the time (usually 3)

But you can put out 70 shots between reloads, has instant sprint to fire and much faster ADS move speed

[torn gorge]

i mean if you go MF its a 1 point investment

tbh

[hollow ibex]

hmm maybe i'll try VII

[tall torrent]

Idk I wouldn’t consider exe + MF at the same time on any build

I think it’s too much investment

[hollow ibex]

i do like the II uptime but the parkinsons really is too much at times

[tall torrent]

The other thing is

If you run exe stance

IIb has pretty much identical breakpoints with VII (both in exe stance)

IIb just has more benefits going for it

[torn gorge]

why too much investment

[tall torrent]

So overall I’d say
VoC / infil, IIb ≈ VII
Exe, IIb > VII

[torn gorge]

with falter is there any reason talent keep their heads down?

[tall torrent]

Taking both executioner’s stance + marksman’s focus basically locks you out of melee attack speed on right side

[tall torrent]

KTHD needs a bit more testing, it kind of doesn’t matter enough overall tbh

Falter gives huge stagger breakpoint boosts to VII

[torn gorge]

cursed setup coming through

[hollow ibex]

does MF even change any breakpoints?

for VII

[tall torrent]

Yea you basically get very few melee choices

[tall torrent]

Exe + MF pushes it into 1 tap

If you have both active (MF at high stacks)

[hollow ibex]

oh eh

[torn gorge]

wait until you see my struggle with a dclaw 7

[hollow ibex]

too much work

[torn gorge]

[tall torrent]

Stagger breakpoints (IIb / VII / IX)

As you can see, VII gets a lot of value from falter

I think being able to interrupt flamers’ attacks is huge

[hollow ibex]

yeah maybe time to try VII

[tall torrent]

There is 1 annoying part

[torn gorge]

make sure to have the auto fire mod

[tall torrent]

Staggering gunner on headshot ends up in you killing them slower because their heads will move after being staggered

But I think it’s a worthy trade to be able to interrupt flamers

And u have ghost so gunners are never rly a threat

[hollow ibex]

i already do for the mk ii

[tall torrent]

VII’s breakpoints

I think 11.2m range requirement for Dreg gunner 2HS is not the worst thing ever

And bomber 1HS at 14m isn’t bad either

They usually are pretty far away when u need to shoot them

[hollow ibex]

oh right

[tall torrent]

IIb’s breakpoints

[hollow ibex]

inverse falloff 🤮

[warm vortex]

I use the Tactical Axe since its the best thing i got roght now

But i am thinking of Upgrading to either the Chain Axe or Chain Sword once i unlock em

As for Range something that looks cadian would be kinda dope

Cause right now i am using the Kantrael Mk IX

[umbral scaffold]

Hello is heavy bolted build meta at all or

[orchid hemlock]

Top "meta" is hard to determine atm due to nothing in the game being hard enough to push you to your limits

[tribal tangle]

thatll change shortly

[orchid hemlock]

Best guns tho I say are:

Recons, IAGs, Plasma, Revolver

For Vet that is

[orchid hemlock]

I have a deep feeling it's going to be inferno/trauma staffs at the top by a landslide 💀

[tribal tangle]

if nothing change with balance probably

but who knows maybe they'll be too slow and cumbersome

[orchid hemlock]

Infinite cleave just wins by default 😔

It would suck if the entire "meta" is just Psykers

[wild vortex]

short answer: yes.

[orchid hemlock]

I heard Ogryns are getting reworked tho

[wild vortex]

idk, probably just some pathing change

[umbral scaffold]

okay so is dead by daylight a first person shooter?

[wild vortex]

pls no more FNP nerfs, it's dead already

[umbral scaffold]

cuz with killer you can throw axes and teleport

and you're in first person

[wild vortex]

I have no idea what you're talking about dude

[umbral scaffold]

like calling darktide a first person shooter is kinda weird

[wild vortex]

[tribal tangle]

it literally is

its a hack and slash first person shooter

[umbral scaffold]

I'd describe darktide as a first-person hack and slash coop game

with a bit of shooting

yeah

[tribal tangle]

you can use guns almost exclusively if you want

[wild vortex]

you asked about whether Bolter is meta (I think that's what you meant by "heavy bolted"), and I told you yes

[umbral scaffold]

and we call it hack and slash cuz there's emphasis on melee still and guns like the plasma gun

which again, is only a gun in name

oh im in the veteran chat I thought I've been talking in the psyker chat the whole time

woops

[tribal tangle]

you're very fixated on the semantics of this

doesnt really make much difference, plasma points at thing then it dies

so does x y and z guns

[orchid hemlock]

Me when when when

[tribal tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/marikiplier-e-meme-lord-farquaad-gif-22138504

[umbral scaffold]

lets see my veteran its been a while

[umbral parrot]

MAN being a Veteran is awesome.

Like.... I am in love with myself sometimes lol

[cobalt crest]

So uhh

One of my guns has n/a

As every stat

[umbral parrot]

Is it the type that's 100% on everything too? Lol

[cobalt crest]

Ye

Weird visual bug

[broken spade]

Finally got around to getting one of these

take your bets

will hadron destroy it?

[wild vortex]

that... doesn't happen anymore?

[broken spade]

It does

[tall torrent]

Good luck

[broken spade]

I have footage of it happening a week ago, after they claimed to have fixed it

[cobalt crest]

How does hadron fuck weapons?

[broken spade]

IT CHANGED LITERALLY ON THE LAST UPGRADE

oh well that's not too bad

the numbers look nicer at least

[cobalt crest]

Damn

[pseudo fiber]

That's how

[cobalt crest]

Maybe if I upgrade my 69 charge 71 thermal they'll swap places

[tall torrent]

Good enough

[umbral scaffold]

Awesome, nice Plas-... 💤

heres mine, not sure if that good

[hollow ibex]

junk, literally unusable

[tall torrent]

Missing breakpoints, gg

[umbral scaffold]

breakpoints?

[tall torrent]

#damage needed to kill important enemies in as few hits as possible

[orchid hemlock]

Isn't shattering absolute cheeks on Plasma?

[steep herald]

No lie i have fallen in love with the bolt pistol and bolt gun

[terse idol]

You need like absolutely maximum damage

Also, you need +Elites, and +Carapace iirc????

And not shattering impact

Or volatile

Since plasmagun gameplay is just spam leftclick

[tall torrent]

No

[terse idol]

What is it now
Elite and Maniac?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + flak
Or
Elite + maniac/flak

Depends on talent set up

[terse idol]

Hmm

[cobalt crest]

Is my weapon fov mod broken cause it still affects my ads fov even when I turn it off in mod settings

[umbral parrot]

Let's see Paul Allen's Plasma Gun

Now this here of mine is a true beauty!

[tall torrent]

This is bad

Sorry

[umbral parrot]

More like

[tall torrent]

It’s actually just bad

[umbral parrot]

Too bad for you! This is my weapon, there are many like it but this one is mine.

[cobalt crest]

Im thinking of uninstalling it but I'm afraid it might perma break my fov

[umbral parrot]

This is literally the Plasma Gun i used when we did our duo! x3

[tall torrent]

No wonder u couldn’t 1 tapping gunners consistently

[umbral parrot]

What's that supposed to mean!?

[narrow frost]

wait

gloryhunter

on vet?

[tall torrent]

It’s fine

[umbral parrot]

Yep.

[tall torrent]

It’s the perks that are completely wrong

[narrow frost]

isnt confirmed kill the same thing

[little vortex]

i'm pleased to announce that my opinion on the bolter has done a complete 180

unfortunately it was in the Z axis

not only do i still hate it, i hate it more

[umbral parrot]

I go right side. SO i don't have confirmed Kill

I'd prefer the 5% movement speed over anything else really.

[narrow frost]

why did the bolter hurt you so much

[little vortex]

what i was wrong about was the skill floor

it's so incredibly easy i could and did carry a match with my brain half awake

it's a noob cannon

[steep herald]

thats what I want to know

[umbral parrot]

Still awesome~! Name a better Plasma Gun that can hurt a boss?

[narrow frost]

so true bestie

[umbral parrot]

I'm actually tempted to swap over Hunter's Resolve for Surprise Attack for an extra 30% Damage.

[cobalt crest]

Show is on the doll where the boltor touched you

[tall torrent]

Change ur perks lol seriously

[umbral parrot]

Make me!

[tall torrent]

I can’t

[umbral parrot]

Lol

[tall torrent]

But I can tell u that u built wrong

[little vortex]

i mean look i wasn't gonna say anything but yes i was legitimately wrong about the skill required to make good use of it

i thought it was gonna feel clunky but exe stance and volley adept fix everything about it

[manic cloak]

K.

[tall torrent]

It’s your choice at the end of the day

[little vortex]

it's just the win button now

[umbral parrot]

So that means two things

[tall torrent]

You can play well and use wrong builds

[umbral parrot]

1. The build is actually pretty damn good.

or

2. I am so good, i can make broken weapons work!

[tall torrent]

They do not conflict

[umbral parrot]

Thanks for flattering me. I'm blushing~ ❤️

[queen fox]

I am here to claim victory

[tall torrent]

But that gun is built wrong

[queen fox]

I was right

[little vortex]

are you tho

i hate it more than ever

[manic cloak]

You forgot one other option. 3. This game isn't challenging whatsoever.

[little vortex]

i'm never using it again it's icky

[queen fox]

You have the worst taste imaginable

[umbral parrot]

Considering i've been baby sitting and saving the day all day.... lol, no. People are bad and i'm better than them.

[umbral parrot]

FINE.... Elite or Flak?

[little vortex]

no i just have more than two goddamn braincells and i like using them

if i wanted to left click heretic for twenty minutes until victory screen i'd fucking play original DOOM

[umbral parrot]

I'm keeping Unyeilding!

[manic cloak]

How badly are you seeing attention?

[umbral parrot]

I get high off of it. AAAND, if i talk enough trash talk, maybe someone would step up and prove me wrong.

[little vortex]

everyone who thinks the bolter is an effective weapon is incredibly correct.

anyone who thinks the bolter is fun to use is either the worst sweat imaginable or has no imagination.

this is my final, absolutely set-in-stone take

[manic cloak]

We'll make sure to pin this opinion of yours to the veteran page, since your validation and perspective is so crucial to the sustainment of this community.

[little vortex]

thanks i appreciate it

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + flak
Or
Elite + maniac/flak
depends on talent set-up

[umbral parrot]

.Unarmored? You're talking about Dreg Gunner's heads?

[tall torrent]

It’s your choice to believe me or not

[queen fox]

He's done the research and testing

[tall torrent]

this is the longer answer if u care to read

[umbral parrot]

Actually, thanks!

[queen fox]

His guide is extensive

[manic cloak]

I love when people argue perks in this game, as if it isn't basic math. Like this is some kind of feelings based approach to theory crafting.

[umbral parrot]

Math is kinda hard tho.

[cobalt crest]

What's your PFP from

[hollow ibex]

fatshart math is a special type of math

[cobalt crest]

Star wars OC?

[frigid lance]

whats the guide under on steam

[manic cloak]

Custom art from a friend of mine. Yes, it was my character in SWTOR years and years ago.

[cobalt crest]

Oh that's cool af

[queen fox]

Explain how +10% crit dmg works

[tall torrent]

It’s work in progress, unfinished

I’m not publishing it until vast majority is complete

There is a “simplified” version pinned in this channel

[hollow ibex]

simplified

[tall torrent]

It’s a onedrive word document link

[hollow ibex]

100 pages

[hollow ibex]

[manic cloak]

Full picture

[umbral parrot]

Huh... this accurate? I have to try this out.

[queen fox]

I trust everything that guy says tbh

[cobalt crest]

Does your friend have any socials

[tall torrent]

I encourage others to do their own testing and challenge my opinions

But if u don’t have any testing done u probably just don’t know enough to see whole pictures

[manic cloak]

No, they do art professional as a job. Did some of the character art for League and a couple other games with a similar style. They don't take commisions or have social media atm.

[umbral parrot]

Yea but like, check this out!

[queen fox]

I don't have the patience to test every possible talent/perk/blessing combo, esp for temporary buffs

[cobalt crest]

Aw

[tall torrent]

Reaper 2HS is pretty normal and doesn’t need building for

[cobalt crest]

Still cool though I love their style

[tall torrent]

If u wanted to specifically build plasma for boss damage

That’s more blessing dependent than perk dependent

Standard plasma build is around 22.5k unyielding damage in 8 headshots

[cobalt crest]

Also NGL as far as personal preference goes I hate how marksman focus feels

[umbral parrot]

Oh frick, i see what you mean now. That Dreg son of a gun!

[tall torrent]

If u go for a boss dps build (still meets breakpoints)

It’s around 39k unyielding damage in 11 headshots (before venting)

[cobalt crest]

Yeah the damage is insane but I'm just not a fan

[fading yarrow]

Do Pox Hounds and Mutants count as Dregs?

[tall torrent]

Mutants are dregs
Hounds are neutral faction (chaos)

[fading yarrow]

Interesting

[umbral parrot]

Regardless. Still keeping Crit Chance on my Power Sword

[fading yarrow]

Oh, what about bursters?

[umbral parrot]

NOW THAT feels right.

[steep herald]

so in your opinion what would be the best loadout and weapon for ranged?

[tall torrent]

Depends on what u like

There’re several very strong ranged weapons for veteran and they do different things

[cobalt crest]

How good is marksman as an ability modifier

[steep herald]

so im a fan of boltgun and pistol but plasma seems boring to me

[tall torrent]

Pretty strong in terms of scaling but usually build specific because it requires fully loaded for pathing

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is #4~5th best gun for veteran

Which is a pretty high spot

[queen fox]

At the end of the day basically every weapon is viable in auric mael

[umbral parrot]

^

If i can have cursed Plasma Gun and still score top all the time, then it's really all about skills.

[tall torrent]

U could do this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1292181578411413598/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.05_-_00.12.45.09.mp4?ex=674b4fdf&is=6749fe5f&hm=25c90d389e744848096f0f84acfed5cd64e05309a7cc84cd694d6d39f29ad8bf&

[queen fox]

You could maybe say autopistol isn't, maaaybe the worst tac axe mark

[hearty panther]

"THE NEW YORK DRIPPER
House chopped cheese—inspired by the New York chopped cheese. First, we make a double smashburger in its entirety—ketchup, mustard, House sauce, dill pickles, heaps of thick sweet onion & american cheese on a gourmet bun. Then, we smash that—the whole burger, bun and all. We chop it to ribbons and toss it around on the griddle a while. We add more pickles, more onions, toss it around a little more, blanket it in even more cheese, scoop it up and pile it haphazardly into an ill-fitting hoagie with a little chopped tomato, shredduce and a squirt of adobo sauce.."

this is on the secret menu <.<

i dont know what im reading but

but should i go

get it

[cobalt crest]

Yes

[hearty panther]

also this
"BANANA PUFT
Banana bacon fluffernutter desert burger—fresh bacon, sliced banana, american cheese & loads of Jif peanut butter and Marshmallow Fluff. Get napkins."

[cobalt crest]

Go get it

[junior needle]

Keep in mind that "viable" is used varyingly and is generally the very low bar of "you can feasibly win with this". Therefore auric viable is not the same as auric good.

[umbral parrot]

I don't know... the labels mention nothing about it.

[cobalt crest]

There's a restaurant that has a $30 poutine loaded with sausage and bacon and shit and if you can down it in under 10 minutes it's free

[crude fiber]

is anyone else getting infinite loading screens?

[hearty panther]

couldnt be me

[cobalt crest]

No

[queen fox]

I know, my point is use what you want it can all be fun

[cobalt crest]

Anyways I wanna get it but I'm not a fast eater so I might just split it with a friend next time I go

[junior needle]

That is true if your primary concern is personal enjoyment. Just important to note that personal enjoyment can come at the expense of performance for both you and your team

[cobalt crest]

My primary concern is that poutine

Nvm wrong conversation

[umbral parrot]

Hold the phone, Math ain't mathing. Frick, I'm purely on the right side of the tree so i get no extra range benefits..

Lame....

[steep herald]

yeah ive tried plasma and didnt have fun helbore lasgun was ok. I wanna try the shotguns but no idea if they are good or not for auric

[umbral parrot]

So it matters not if i went Unyielding/Crit Damage because it will still take 2 shots to kill a gunner regardless.

Oh wait, i can head shot Scab gunners with Flak.

[junior needle]

iirc shotguns are ok but not great, slug shotty is kinda like worse revolver

[steep herald]

oh word

only issue i have for the bolt weapons is the ammo and mag count

so low

[junior needle]

If you're playing vet, you have ways to alleviate that issue

[steep herald]

oh? like what

[junior needle]

(not mag size)

[tall torrent]

time to get that unarmored + flak combo

[junior needle]

Survivalist, ammo capacity talent, reload speed

[umbral parrot]

Yea... but that's over kill on the head shot. But yea, gonna.

[junior needle]

All forms of ammo regen are based on a % of your reserve ammo (not including what's in your mag)

[tall torrent]

also u can technically cope with less dmg talents if u take rising heat

it's not perfectly consistent but

[umbral parrot]

OH....

[tall torrent]

it's usually up unless ur starting from 0% heat

[junior needle]

So reserve ammo increases directly boost ammo efficiency

[umbral parrot]

Tempting, but I do feel naked without glory hunter.

[steep herald]

ah okay guess i need to mess with the talents a bit still then

[umbral parrot]

Shotgunners are literal free Toughness.

Yea, going Unarmored anf Flak. Because i want to keep the benefits of toughness from my Plasma.

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[umbral parrot]

Besides, I am swapping over to this to take on any bosses.

[tall torrent]

Also if u really care about optimizing plasma as much as possible

There’s a very funny stat distribution to chase gamble for

[umbral parrot]

Oh yea, i've seen you post it a few times.

I got the dockets at this point

I would read your guide, but it's not as cute looking as the Ogrynimicon. ❤️

Oh and i can't read too!

[umbral parrot]

I'm gonna check it out.

[tall torrent]

it's not published yet

steam version maybe ready in 5 months' time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[umbral parrot]

Wait until Dec 3rd where there's a big update. x3

[tall torrent]

yea ik

[umbral parrot]

Oh gosh, i just want a Plasma Pistol!

I don't care if it's weak. It will truly fit the Shock Trooper feel i'm going for with my Power Sword~! ❤️

[pseudo fiber]

give it a little aoe

[steep herald]

yeah a plasma pistol would be dope af

[frosty heron]

what perks do yall like on your Power Sword? I was thinking +25% Flak damage but unsure of the other

Will +25% Carpace help with breakpoints?

[narrow frost]

look at guide

in pins

[frosty heron]

i see ty

[umbral parrot]

Weak spot damage and crit chance

[tall torrent]

no

[umbral parrot]

Anywho, anyone down for a game? If NA.

Gonna start jumping back in.

@tall torrent, got any good guide on Shotguns and Knives?

I don't play as either but thinking on it, i like the idea of Law bringer and Combat Blade.

I just need to know what blessings to bring. The Perks i can figure it out all on my own.

[hearty panther]

full bore no respite

[proven cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/boooooo-this-guy-stinks-serious-spongebob-squarepants-gif-11981386

[hearty panther]

unless youre memeing with wepspec for manstopper

[umbral parrot]

Always Weapon Specialist!

Full Bore huh? Actually, that sounds cool. Extra quick damage for a knife.

[hearty panther]

it's really just a boost to every shot after the first, assuming you ADS at all

no respite is pretty much the same but against a single target

[umbral parrot]

You kinda have too. For some reason you do more Weakspot damage.

[hearty panther]

ye

[umbral parrot]

How about Knife?

[hearty panther]

along with the tighter choke

[umbral parrot]

NOW FOR SURE, I don't have a horse on this race. I don't know if this is good.

[hearty panther]

i have zero love for mercy killer

but up to you

[umbral parrot]

Well, i'll just try it out and see how far it takes me

[hearty panther]

it'll still work im sure, knife and vet especially are gloriously overtuned

[umbral parrot]

Sounds good!

[hearty panther]

im just not a fan of either having mercy killer not at all working on my first attack (which most things are already dead if its a heavy crit), or requiring serrated (which is unbelievably stinky on a class thats already stuffed to the tits with ridiculously high value nodes)

[umbral parrot]

My idea was to have this.

[hearty panther]

yea

idk, i think its dogshit LOL, ngl

lots of people run it though and they win games so no judgement beyond that

[umbral parrot]

That can be said with a rusty spoon!

[hearty panther]

i unironically rate Smackdown higher than Mercy Killer

[umbral parrot]

I still want to do an all grey no talent run with someone

[frosty heron]

My problem with perks that give bleed stacks is that enemies are usually dead before the bleed has a chance to do significant damage

At least with a full 4 man

[hearty panther]

well the incredible part with serrated blade is that unless youre striking a target repeatedly it basically runs its dot out in under two seconds and does fuck all damage

flesh tearer on the other hand

is a guaranteed kill on anything smaller than a shotgunner that gets touched by that crit

really im just pointing at azrael's build

[umbral parrot]

I don't take Serrated blade for the bleed. It's just to clock in that 60% Damage. Mix in with extra Finnese. I can imagine it doing a lot

[hearty panther]

if your uptime for the finesse blessing is already high

then you'd always be doing more damage by throwing in riposte

and just getting more crits

[umbral parrot]

Oh yea? Hmm...

[hearty panther]

yea

like if mercy killer + serrated is a 6/10 kinfe build combo

[umbral parrot]

I might go with Riposte then. I got this that can benefit from it a lot!

[hearty panther]

then ft + riposte is like,11/10

[umbral parrot]

!?

[hearty panther]

and if youre on azrael's level of doing shit his build is like a 13/10

but i cant vibe with the MK6 knife at all lmao

[umbral parrot]

Do explain this Azrael! ❤️

[hearty panther]

idk they aint been around in a while

[umbral parrot]

You're hyping me up! I HAVE to pull this off now!

[hearty panther]

i cant recall his build perfectly

[bleak cradle]

I thought Azrael was a big mk3 user even though he admitted mk6 is technically better

[hearty panther]

ye i do mean his mk6 build tho

[bleak cradle]

Ah ok

[hearty panther]

like it really is nonsenical how good it is once you get the pacing of it right

but yeah i just

fucking hate the slashy heavies

dont like the flow lmao

[tall torrent]

weakspot damage is finesse

[umbral parrot]

WAIT correct me if i'm wrong, but is there a limit to bleed?

[tall torrent]

16

[hearty panther]

path might remember details better

[tall torrent]

no
azreal hates knife lmao

[hearty panther]

but these were the important nodes at the bottom

[umbral parrot]

So if i clock in 2 crits, ain't that just it with Flesh Tearer?

[hearty panther]

yea so thats where the tempo thing comes in

if youre really attuned to whats happening

[bleak cradle]

I mean. All he used was Rashad. But he said he would use mk3 on occasion

[gilded wraith]

I think he was a Rashad proponen.

[hearty panther]

you understand that a crit = most of the shit you struck with that heavy is dead

and you move on to the next group

you dont stick around cutting until they actually die

[umbral parrot]

Hold up, i'm trying to process this lol

OH

[hearty panther]

yeah its kind of a lot

[umbral parrot]

So it's a snipe and go!

Oh... ahh!

[hearty panther]

but its great if youre autistic like me

[umbral parrot]

I need a video! I'm a visual learner!

[hearty panther]

oh geez

i got no vids of that

[bleak cradle]

He coulda also just been humoring me when teaching me knife stuff

[hearty panther]

he also ran it flesh tearer + executor on the knife

gets you one extra target cleaved per heavy

which is why you want that weakspot power node on the bottom left

executor is pretty easy to keep stacked on the mk6 since again, horizontal heavies

cause again, your bleed will do almost all the actual killing when it comes to trash

so you just need a crit on a heavy, and the more things it hits, the more things will bleed

[umbral parrot]

Oooh!

[hearty panther]

for elites you just spam push attacks and shiv them til they die

i aint gonna lie tho it took me like

[umbral parrot]

Lol... this is why i love Power Sword. It's a lot more simple lol

Push stab, destroy.

[hearty panther]

three games, and then sleeping on it, and then another full day, and then another sleep before it clicked lmao

but once it did i kinda just stopped, especially with revolver included

cause man it just handles fucking everything

[umbral parrot]

Visual... learner! Just send me a screenshot on how the combat blade looks like! x3

[hearty panther]

i dont remember what perks he used

so sadly cant help you there

p. sure you need carapace on the revolver so that it one-taps crushers in the head

but its been a while

[umbral parrot]

Oh pfft, i'm planning to use Shotgun for the RP feels. lol

[tall torrent]

no

[hearty panther]

youll have to figure that out cause its been too long in my rear view mirror

[umbral parrot]

Like some sort of cool Jungle Fighter.

[tall torrent]

unarmored + maniac

[hearty panther]

and it already does crushers?

[umbral parrot]

Over Elite? That's what i did with my knife.

[hearty panther]

or does it need bring it down

sorry ive hated revolver for a while now LOL

i used to know all of these

[umbral parrot]

Yea.... i don't know... i'm lost

[tall torrent]

crusher needa carapace + crit dmg

[umbral parrot]

So i just made my own build up now.

[tall torrent]

and pretty hefty investment

not worth

[hearty panther]

remember when revolver couldnt kill a dreg stalker without +unarmored

good times

[tall torrent]

nah

[hearty panther]

agile yes, serrated still no ofc

kraks are always nice

but smoke is fun

[tall torrent]

get low profile, iron will and stamina regen boost

[hearty panther]

you still want shotgun right

with duck and dive i suppose you could do hit n run actually

[umbral parrot]

Low Profile!? I'm scared to let my team die tho! Lol, i'm the one who baby sits. I can't do that if they're the ones actually getting hurt lol

[tall torrent]

shotgun/revolver also rly want always prepared

[tall torrent]

low profile is basically half the reason infiltrate is good

[hearty panther]

low profile = 10 extra seconds of not-quite-but-pretty-much-still-is stealth

[umbral parrot]

I only pick it because everyone's using VoC! Not because i like losing the agro!

This is why i pop Inf, attack, pop out of it.

[hearty panther]

oh youll still pull some aggro

[umbral parrot]

10% agro? Lol

[hearty panther]

but you really get to pick your fights much more deliberately

[umbral parrot]

Oh... I can see that.

[hearty panther]

yea i get why they just pasted a random percentage there

because actually explaining it takes a paragraph and nobody is gonna read that anyway

[umbral parrot]

My brain! It's too much! x3

Video Format pls. x3

[hearty panther]

oh video would probably be worse

everyone produces 'threat'
you produce the lowest amount of threat for 10s
whoever is attacking an enemy will always be their biggest threat
if you have no teammates then you are still the biggest threat

essentially you get to choose what you'll engage

and rarely but not never, nothing else will jump into the fight

(with you specifically)

[umbral parrot]

I gotcha, i gotcha.

[hearty panther]

its also just like, yknow

ten extra seconds of stealth

18s if you need it is pretty awesome

also takes a bite out of the 45s cooldown in a roundabout way

[umbral parrot]

Going to try it out.

For my Power Sword build, still going Hunter's Resolve all the time tho. But for a Knife... i'll try it out.

Also, Hunter's Resolve and 50% revival speed can make you revive someone even if you're stepping on fire with 140 Toughness.

[short fern]

ngl it's kind of frustrating having to choose between demolition team and iron will, both are so nice to have

[umbral parrot]

Get both!

Only reason i'm not on my knife is because in theory, I will dodge everything.

But on my Power Sword, both! Always both!

Gah, Exploits! I have to re-read everything you said about Knifes!

Flesh Tearer huh? That's going to be fun.

[short fern]

so what do you think I should give up for both

using recon lasgun

onslaught, target down, and shocktrooper all seem huge...

[hearty panther]

chimken nuggies

which recon las

[hearty panther]

onslaught you can drop, you already have kraks and two grenade regens

also recommend swapping target down for redirect fire

youre not using deadshot with this?

[faint beacon]

I beg of you

take iron will

I am begging you

[grand perch]

If youre dead set on keeping onslaught, the 5% crit node could go.

[hollow ibex]

no

i need to farm revive penance

[swift river]

Thoughts?

[hollow ibex]

what weapons you running?

[swift river]

Currently: Combat Knife and Infantry Lasgun

[hollow ibex]

aight well knife on vet requires a lot of talents and is obnoxious to build for

would suggest using another melee for starters

[swift river]

Normally I use the shovel, but I've grown to enjoy the knife

Especially with bleed blessings

[faint beacon]

toss the revive node on VOC and Determined

put it into Serrated Blade

[tall torrent]

infantry lasguns need determined

[faint beacon]

and then make sure your knife is Mercy Killer + Uncanny Strike

you sure?

cause I swear I can use it without Determined

[tall torrent]

Absolutely

[faint beacon]

Probably drop field improve then

[swift river]

Determined is on there

[hollow ibex]

my initial suggestions

[faint beacon]

I could one second give a suggestion

I mean tbf

if he's running knife he doesn't need kraks

I could come up with something

[swift river]

You suggest dropping revive? I've found it helps immensly in clutch situations

[faint beacon]

@swift river Bear with me for a second

[hollow ibex]

yeah, though i did suggest removing the knife earlier lol

[tall torrent]

The revive node is unfortunately not good

[faint beacon]

Also yeah its increased CD and decreases your stagger radius

[tawny badger]

+1

[swift river]

Aww

[tall torrent]

Because you ideally want to be able to use it as much as possible

[faint beacon]

Golden makes it harder for those scenarios

to happen

[hollow ibex]

revive node is a bit of a trap talent unfortunately

many of those in the vet tree

[swift river]

Well that sucks

[hollow ibex]

i mean you feel like a god when it works

[faint beacon]

Seeing you're not really running right side

I just said fuck it

AE

[hollow ibex]

but it's not what meta slaves run

[faint beacon]

cause AE is great if you can run it

[faint beacon]

@swift river

But you want your knife to be this also

[hollow ibex]

no demo team

[faint beacon]

You got natural regen grenades

you save it for hordes

[hollow ibex]

need more

[faint beacon]

1 mintue = 1 frag

Unless you're running a grenadier build

do not

or if you cant afford regen grenades

[hollow ibex]

i always take demo team, it's very worthwhile

[swift river]

I've tried running right side, it just didn't feel good to me, honestly

[hollow ibex]

agile engagement is very good, and serrated blade is important on knife unless you're planning to run flesh tearer or something instead

[faint beacon]

Its mainly cause you focus melee a bit more over ranged

but its super good

Serrated is INSANELY important for Knives on vet

Especially with Mercy and Uncanny

you do insane fucking damage

[hollow ibex]

well if you take mercy, you should absolutely run serrated

i personally just don't love knife on vet in general

[faint beacon]

Knife on vet is a certain taste

@swift river Anyways any other questions?

like what you need on your ILAG

[swift river]

ILAG?

[faint beacon]

Infantry Lasgun

[swift river]

Oh 😄

[faint beacon]

if you are running that, that is

[swift river]

Never heard it called that!

[tall torrent]

Depending on their lasgun they could drop ammo & shock trooper

[faint beacon]

true

Which variant are you running

[swift river]

Mark IX

[tall torrent]

What difficulty are u playing

[swift river]

Heresy mostly

[tall torrent]

Ok that’s playable

If you want to bring this into damnation

Either change Lasgun variant from IX to VII

Or you’d need to change build

Because IX is in a really bad spot

[faint beacon]

IX is the weakest of them

it got powercrept

[swift river]

Powercrept?

[faint beacon]

Basically when other things get buffed

and they forget about said thing

so the other weapons simply get buffed over it

making it useless

versus other options

[hollow ibex]

is this where you try to convert him into an agri HH user?

[tall torrent]

Vigilant auto is in a similarly rough spot tbh

Just not enough maniac damage

On a class that really wants high maniac damage guns in general

[dry cloak]

Ix lasgun is the brown one yes?

[swift river]

Honestly all this sounds like the only thing that's carried me so far is good aim 😄

[dry cloak]

Get yourself bolter,boltpistol or revolver if you want to snipe

[swift river]

Oh I've done that. Love the boltpistol

[tall torrent]

Basically don’t pick these ever

[hollow ibex]

wait i like get back in the fight 😦

[steep herald]

even for a bolt pistol or boltgun?

[tall torrent]

Why would u need those circled talents for bolt pistol / boltgun

[hollow ibex]

ngl i forgot about those two WS nodes at the very bottom

i wonder what the pick rate is for those

0.05%?

[steep herald]

no idea its why im asking so i can get better at veteran

[hearty panther]

higher than you think

[tall torrent]

How new are you to veteran

[steep herald]

fairly new I started one up months ago got to max level then played something else only recently got back into it

[tall torrent]

What difficulty are u mainly playing

[steep herald]

auric

[tall torrent]

Idk what you need to improve in

Melee? Target priority? Idk

[steep herald]

mainly just looking how to improve with the bolt pistol or bolt gun and what the viable traits for those are

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is tricky to build breakpoints for

[steep herald]

most of the builds or guides I find are for plasma gun which im not a fan of or another weapon which is meh to me

[tall torrent]

This is prob the best Boltgun build for veteran

[wild vortex]

Yo path, does an exe stance Bolter need the Rending Strikes node? I need +1 talent for something else..

[tall torrent]

What for

[steep herald]

helbore las was ok to play but figured there was something better

[wild vortex]

... Crouch node on MF

[tall torrent]

Why

[wild vortex]

Penances

Need to do the MF penance

[tall torrent]

Crouch walk melee 5 games

[iron marten]

Helbores are absolutely meme weapons, but they are my favourite guns in the game

[tall torrent]

Why does that have to be done with Boltgun I don’t get it

[wild vortex]

I cannot use psword for the life of me

I hate that weapon

[tall torrent]

Never said power sword

[swift river]

I adore the Helbore. But I have one extremely upsetting problem with them

[wild vortex]

What then? Rashad?

[tall torrent]

Any horde clear melee

[wild vortex]

[iron marten]

The draw time?

[earnest bone]

try these weapons

• Rashad MK3
• Duelist Sword mk2 or mk4
• MK6 knife with serrated blades talent + mercy killer + uncanny strike
• Vraks V IAG
• Agripina Braced VIII
• Bolter
• Recon Lasgun XII
• Revolver MK2 (correct blessings)

[swift river]

Brief rant:
The Mk IV Helbore, the long one, has my absolute favorite iron sights in the game. I love how they look.
The other Helbore iron sights, are absolute shite in my opinion.
BUT
I adore the bayonet stab attack on the Mk IIIa. It stuns ragers!
But on the Mk IV, it's a slash, and it sucks...

[iron marten]

Ah

I mainly use the mk4 so I understand your pain with the bayo

[swift river]

If I could have the Mk IV iron sights with the bayonet stab instead of slash, that'd be the gun I'd use

[faint beacon]

you on console or PC

[swift river]

PC

[faint beacon]

FANTASTIC NEWS!

You can mod in

those sights

with a mod

cause client side mods are approved

[swift river]

I haven't downloaded an updated version of that mod in forever

[hollow ibex]

said mod is prob going to be broken again in a few days anwyay

[iron marten]

Mk4 Helbore propaganda https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1297928088902176869/proofOfConcept.mp4?ex=674bc87a&is=674a76fa&hm=bf8ecff93db939b45ce36224d1047543ac8cdb55e1a9405f8f92e8418739d564&

[swift river]

Anyway... Back to standard Lasgun, what stats would recommend?

[tall torrent]

Very unstable

[swift river]

I just want the Mk IV iron sights on all the Helbores

[tall torrent]

60 mobility, 80 everything else

[steep herald]

what kind of stats do I want for a bolter?

[swift river]

Perks, Blessings? Right now I'm running Deadly Accurate and Headhunter

[tall torrent]

Which variant, IX?

[swift river]

Eh, I'll switch to VII

[tall torrent]

Ghost + falter

Ghost is basically mandatory

Falter helps VII a lot

[swift river]

Good thing I got max level Lasguns so I can make that change right away 😄

[faint beacon]

Suggesting Falter

holy shit

Never thought I'd see the day

[iron marten]

Oh the times when locks were a thing. It's just a fading memory

[swift river]

Also, random aside, can I say that I adore this new method of leveling up weapons. Thank effin god

[hollow ibex]

yeah wouldn't be botheringw ith this game if they hadn't changedi t

the old system was just cancer

[faint beacon]

it was an abusive spouse for me

kept having the mindset of MAYBE i'll get something good

(I never did)

[hollow ibex]

we are all battered spouses

[tall torrent]

Nothing else helps that much tbh

It’s already a 2 tap

You need crazy investment for it to 1 tap

Headhunter only rly matters for shock trooper

[thin stone]

2 tap supremacy

[tall torrent]

Crits don’t change its breakpoints by much

[swift river]

Alright! Cadia man is ready

[faint beacon]

What uh

Curios are you running

[thin stone]

What skin is that

[tall torrent]

Perks, flak + maniac

[swift river]

Toughness, Stamina, and a Wound

[thin stone]

I'm running the same

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent For a build like this I assume he's gonna need the healthy balance Stam + HP + Toughness

[ancient path]

omg its cadia man! hes gunna save us!

[tall torrent]

Nah

[faint beacon]

Replace wound with HP

[tall torrent]

2 health + 1 toughness

[faint beacon]

Ah

hm

[tall torrent]

Stamina is not useful

I think if u need stamina on veteran

It’s only 2 situations

1. You’re playing deadshot

2. You’re playing knife

[swift river]

I have knife yes

[tall torrent]

But you could run +2 stamina on knife with basically no consequences

Perks don’t matter that much for knife on veteran

And deadshot is just not worth it 95% the time

[iron marten]

I run knife, helbore and deadshot mainly, so I use 2 stam curios lol

[swift river]

Cadian gear upper body, and regular old green pants from the Commodore

[faint beacon]

@swift river Huge tip just

avoid running wounds

ever

[swift river]

I wish the Cadia stuff would come around again. I only got the Veteran stuff last time

[faint beacon]

it makes you improve a lot at the game

90% of the time in aurics and the likes people usually wont be able to get you

[ancient path]

plus if you go down in harder diffs, really auric, 8/10 youre dead anyway lol

[faint beacon]

Yeah cause the 7 bombers will make sure your ass is getting deepfried

[ancient path]

the moment you go down the ai director sends 5 pox bombers, 3 flamers, 2 mutants, and a wave of ragers just for you

[iron marten]

Running wounds munts the green stim effectiveness so lol

[faint beacon]

literally

LMAO

[swift river]

I just wanted an even spread of toughness, health, and stamina

Didn't consider getting one just for health and not wound

[faint beacon]

The Auric Experience

[ancient path]

pretty much lol

im really hoping that they address poxbomber audio queues

but ya wounds is kinda bad

[faint beacon]

also this LMAO

[swift river]

I've so far only survived Auric running as Psyker spamming Smite

[iron marten]

Where's the tox bomber that the team ignored for 3 minutes, so the entire room is smelly

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/money-where-gif-25034579

[swift river]

Benifits of disposal income, I suppose 😄

Thank ya'll for the info by the by! Gonna test it out. I like making themed builds and this one was just making a bog standard Cadian Shock Trooper

[ancient path]

general guardsman is such a vibe build

[swift river]

That's why I'm running Infantry Lasgun and Combat Knife!

[ancient path]

yeee

i run shovel on mines

[swift river]

Standard issue firearm. Standard issue melee weapon

[ancient path]

i just dont feel like dealing with the crackhead gameplay of knife most of the time

knife is a weapon that i go "okay i want to play knife rn" and not a weapon that i just play

[faint beacon]

Agile Engagement then only makes even more sense if its a Cadian

they literally train with those weapons every fucking second of their lives LMAO

[swift river]

When you run knife

https://tenor.com/view/saitama-one-punch-man-serious-sideways-jump-gif-13971720

[ancient path]

pretty fucking much

[thin stone]

Lol

[ancient path]

sometimes i just wanna not damage my fingers beyond repair

[thin stone]

I don't like Zealot now, I'm craving veteran

[swift river]

Join us

[thin stone]

ADHD ahh behaviour

[swift river]

Become a guardsman

[thin stone]

Where

[swift river]

For Cadia

[thin stone]

Yes

But first I need 2400 Aquilas

[frosty heron]

What do people think of the Achlys mark of the Power Sword?

[swift river]

There is a Cadian armor piece you can get through Penances

[frosty heron]

I'm trying it out and I don't really like it, but not sure if tha's just me misusing it or having bad expectations

[swift river]

Veterans Sentry Uniform - Penance: Stand up and Fight

[frosty heron]

It takes a while to power up and then it feels underwhelming

[thin stone]

I have it

But I haven't found a helmet that goes with it

[swift river]

Headset Radio?

[thin stone]

It even says "Cadia Stands" on the back

[thin stone]

Oh

[swift river]

What is it called...

Vox-Set

[thin stone]

Cari Bronx Vox set

Yeh

[swift river]

There's some standard Commodore pieces that also fit

[thin stone]

My OCD tells me it should all be purple

Purple rarity

[thin stone]

Does anyone know if the Fredrik Parlance set comes anytime soon?

[thin stone]

Ok yeh that goes well with it

[ancient path]

im not a big fan of power swords

hordes do not care or wish to wait for you to turn on your sword

[hollow ibex]

that's the mk6 right? that's the meta power sword

[thin stone]

What do you use?

[tall torrent]

Scion helmet

[thin stone]

And yeh, hordes don't wait for that

[ancient path]

im apparently a dumbass because i enjoy devil claw, shock maul, chainsword

[supple stag]

Dodge or push before activation

[thin stone]

Yeh you're on your own there

[supple stag]

Or both

[ancient path]

ive also been trying out shovel and its a mood

combat axe

[supple stag]

Once you get into the rythm it's awesome

[thin stone]

Shovel is good

[swift river]

By the power of Bonk

We praise the shovel

[supple stag]

Shovels are okay, I suppose

[ancient path]

but personally i have a love for devils claw, shock maul.

gotta get around to making my elster signalis build with shock maul and revolver.

[supple stag]

Shock Maul is so nice

[ancient path]

i love the shock maul.

i was honestly surprised hearing that ppl think its mid

[supple stag]

It's boss damage isn't there

[thin stone]

I never tried shock maul

[supple stag]

Other than that it's good

[ancient path]

but when your competition is the fucking dueling sword and knife-- i mean...

[supple stag]

Shock Maul is a good option for heavy melee focus

[ancient path]

ya thats fair. but i usually pair it with boss kill weapons like boltgun

bolter?

whatever.

[supple stag]

Bolter, Revolver, hell even laspistol can do

[ancient path]

mhm

bolter, big iron

[supple stag]

Shock Maul, Laspistol, I should run that

With Infiltrate

[dry cloak]

And kraks

[supple stag]

Kraks are convinent for pathing, no matter the ult you're taking

[ancient path]

i want to like krak

[dry cloak]

I run antax combat shotty and kraks with infiltrste

[crimson pebble]

its fun but their are atleast 3 considerably better options if trying to min max

[dry cloak]

So yeah i need the

[supple stag]

Boring

[ancient path]

but every time i throw a krak on something every carapace kill build on karken atoma appears to whallops the guy i stuck

[supple stag]

Imo it's a waste to throw those on like lone crushers

[ancient path]

yeah thats the thing. i dont

just some how everyone loves targeting the one i krak

[supple stag]

I usually burst bosses with them, remove bulwark patrols etc.

[ancient path]

why. i dont know

[supple stag]

Crucify them

They deserve it

[hollow ibex]

you gotta be selective about it

i always krak the last crusher in the pack, or if my team is wiping the floor

[severe gale]

i’m sorry it’s just this innate monkey brain

[hollow ibex]

i just don't use it

[severe gale]

i compete with krak grenades and immolation grenades

[ancient path]

word lol just gotta get into the headspace of the crackheads i get in pubs

[daring sage]

ngl its like funny to do that lol

[hollow ibex]

and brain bursters

[ancient path]

see what i mean lmfao

[hollow ibex]

blue aura glowing over a crusher? FOCUS FIRE ON THAT TARGET

[daring sage]

you get like a timer that counts down so its a competition

[ancient path]

its people like YOU ruining my experience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (joking)

[severe gale]

i’m a zealot it’s what i do

it’s ok i use a mk3 evis

[supple stag]

Zealot brain

[severe gale]

takes forever to kill things anyway

[ancient path]

its ok i forgive you; youre a signalis fan.

[severe gale]

it’s so peak….

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-ariane-runnning-fast-elster-gif-6408563343926012727

[severe gale]

i can’t wait to get home and play signalis

er

darktide

[ancient path]

btw play signalis its on sale for $12