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WHILE SCREAMING AT MY TEAMMATES TO LEAVE ME SOME FUCKING AMM9
Bonding conversations are rare dialogues that can occur between two or more characters in a mission when specific conditions are met. Collection of all the Cutthroat Veteran's bonding conversations.
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I HAD NO AMMO THE ENTIRE END EVENT OF THE AEGIS STATION
What will you do now with you life
Oh male cutthroat. Yeah possibly
I only recall female being nice to bully ogryn, and to a lesser extent the other big dudes
WHILE MY FUCKING TARDS OF TEAMMATES HAD FULLLLL CLIPS
Thi dude is going to coom
AND WHEN THE EVENT ENDED AND EXTRACT CAME THEY HAD NONE
Normal voicelines are the same between the 2 genders
Bonding conversations are different (to show more personality)
THE EMPERORS FINEST SOLDIERS FIGHT THE HARDEST BATTLES
Cuthroat is very hateful towards everyone, and tends to trust nobody
why you tortured yourself to smaul usage
Nah
I am having 3 different aneurysms from the Imperiums most backwater slowminded rejects
Cutthroat has a very genuine frenemy relationship with savant
All scabs
Who
Psyker, savant personality, male
That's new
What most consider the African accent
Also you missed The event for this penence. Aka i fected moebian 21
Time to post this again shamelessly
https://youtu.be/GLfRA_v_Fs4?si=6Z5fJ9GmILVokY3P
Female cutthroat being her nihilistic self
0:00 - 1:58 Chaos and the Warp
1:59 - 2:52 Soldier life
2:53 - 4:21 Cadia
4:22 - 5:08 The Emperor
5:09 - 6:19 Atoma (the hive and gangs)
6:19 - 7:03 Abhumans
7:04 - 8:38 - Rejects
8:39 - 9:07 Sisters of Battle
9:08 - 10:13 Miscellaneous
I really need subtibles
I like it
as long as i can make up for the dogwater mobility
U weird

Shock mauls are good
imo its one of the most realistic looking weapons in game
Tf toure talking about it being bad
most plausible perhaps

So are knives and devil claws
its like the only thing with realistic proportions
devil claw is like an inch thick
Uuuuuuuuuh
And power swords... Once we invade area 51
Shovel?
you can adjust that with weapon mod
i dont play with wepaon mod
Shovel is a tool
its besides the point I like its attack pattern
So is knife
London moment
Yes
oi
Tak
Cutthroat (M): “Breathe. Slow and steady. The pain’ll pass.”
Loose cannon (F): “Because I’m gonna live through it right?”
Cutthroat (M): “…the pain’ll pass.”
Loose cannon (F): “Because I’m gonna live through it right? Right?!”
Why is the post mission loading screens so long
It's the stars war meme
I've had to close and reopen the game 4 times now
Thank you kind cauliflower cat
are we doing W40k ERP now

What's the dump on the infantry las
Seems like the 2 cutthroat personalities are more like
Male: traumatized by fall of Cadia, always locked in
Female: proud warrior who laments the fall of Cadia
I'm tired of having to deal with ammo hungry tards
Literaly me - cutthroat from Cadia
you will always deal with them unless you run survivalist yourself
Mobility
I wish I had the power of telepathy so I can scream directly into people's minds
She is gonna farm thrones by selling stinky bath water 
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0:00 - Red Alert 2 I...
That would wipe out an entire hive city of simps
Fools come a dime a dozen
Nurgle is pleased
What about that Pay to Win planet?
U are in debt from the moment you were born
Mordant?
Oh the something indentured regiments
Mordant acid dogs
TTS
These
Imagine to literaly enslave a fucking primarch and trying to execute him
Exterminatus 
Exterminate whole planet to kill a primarch
It is known
LET'S EXTERMINATE THOSE PLANETS SO TYRANIDS WON'T EXTERMINATE THEM moment
Acktually viable 

wow
1 hive fleet at the cost of 3 planets is a low key win for bugs
If only I could make the soyker mains jump off the bridge...
Oh these guys
They’re quite funny
just had my team wiped in first like 30 seconds on fucking carnival map
got to them and was about to clutch
lmao
hound said lmao
Tyranids will just respawn like nothing happend
silent hound is just wearing headphones listening to icewhore and mewing
There's just so many, if only we can have some ctrl + delete key for the bugs
Just open console and go godmode. Is the Imperium stupid?
I prefer not hacking but doing the classic tod howard method
Just poison yourself so they die while eating you, that simple it is
Anyway is eating an Ork considered as vegetarianism?
Put all of the imperium's assets in a chest clipped into the ground?
Maybe if we lure tyranids to Deathguards
Tyranids would evolve
Alchemy/ smithing stack glitching
As long as it's not trains for heads
I want my 103847294757290257394662 damage combat knive vs tyranids 
Oh so that's what Sly Marbo did
In what game do u have a knife with that dmf
The problem is that they can grow inside your digestive system and kill u
RIP
Skyrim 
mehrunes razor in darktide when
Skaven in w40k when
Rat men in the Imperium? Don't be ridiculous they don't exist
Also the Imperium are the Skaven already pretty much
For the Goldentide
is there a way to disable the backwards dodge when i press space and W
i cant stop myself from doing it
too monkey brained
Skill issue
it's an option in input or somewhere
always dodge
Dodge is a queation between life and death
Always
Be
Dodging
the ABCs of darktide
ABD
Ceeya
Turn off always dodge in settings
are the ranged and melee pinned guides up to date
always be crouching 
Always Be Cursing
camouflage users
i think im on like a 5 game losing streak rn
regular damnation
i am the weak link
You really need to pray for a good team on heresy and damnation, can't save everything on your own
we all have bad streaks
just think about what you did ''bad''
also, this
i keep being the last one alive type shit
I'm interested as to why the bomber just doesn't fucking explode when we shoot him
We pelting this fucker with las shots and autogun rounds those nades should be going off
Hitting him in one of his bade's should make it go off and scatter 10 nades away
probably the next interaction after flamers
if they go that route
Would be funny if he did throw other grenades
So ogryns fucked with killing those
I'm not sure how the moebians have that many flame nades to arm a singular bomber with that many
Unless rock or stubber
It's a fucking hive planet
I count 18 grenades on that fucker
Assuming those nades use promethium like every other flamer weapon in the imperium
Flame bombs were known to the ancients
That fucker really should be going up in flames
Any fire liquid will do
The Imperium just uses promethium a lot so I'm extrapolating that the bombers use it
No booze in imperium?
Sorry the troopers drunk it all
Damn alcoholics
The grenades look factory produced and actually IG-grade so probably not alcohol
(Low ass bar)
That's really just a fatshark design to make him glow on 5000000 meters
No they don't look ramshackled together by crackheads
You know what i wonder about
The Moebian 6th will complain about supply issues and then have a bazillion grenades for their bombers
Why does a regular fucking peasant with one extra limb from corruption survive 8 light attacks with a fucking heavy sword
Because nurgle is fat
Yes and he stinks
Who
The most basic mob, that weakest cunt of all
fat fishy
good emperor I hate this game
i will get all mad bc i lose a few games and then i take it personally
next thin I know its 2 in the fragging morning
A poxwalker?
my pride is fragile
What kind of sword are you using that you can't even kill a POXWALKER with it
Groaner
HEAVY SWORD
And it's not a poxwalker butna fucking GROANER
Wait
No
It's poxwalker
Stupid wiki
Weak ass sword
His sword must have less than 10% damage stat 
Light swing is just extremely weak
Crushers are also under the influence of nurgle
But it's compared to other cultists for nurgle cultists
Huh
Whole planet was infested by nurgle
But i would really love to fight something new
Like tyranids
Orks
Slaanesh
If the 1st two come aboard then it's out of our control
And at this point almost all of where we are fighting has been given the pox
And the remaining uninfected citizenry are in their homes praying for salvation
Genestealer Cults?
A unlikely probability because tertium already has a cult going and the Patriarch is probably fucked up by Nurgles blessings
Hey one small ship that sending 4 rejects to wipe out whole fucking hive city full of nurgle corruption is unrealistic as hell and would never work anyway
If the Patriarch on the planet is full of fucked up shit
Reminder, we have 2 whole astra militarum regiments behind us
That do shit
Their's the other hive too
IIRC not all of Aroma is under the influence of Nurgle. Otherwise we would have seen SM
We are literal rejects
comprised of experienced fighters with little to nothing to lose
I'd wager the reason why we don't see as many moebians as scabs is that the moebians are fighting the 21st and 53rd
you mean dregs?
cult of admonition
Plus we are fucking crippling their command structure
We are slaughtering multiple scab captains on the daily
Which is unrealistic
I like to think the Moebian 6th has a lot more regiments backing it up
If this were real the moebian sixth would’ve disappeared years ago lol
4 reject slaughtering thousands of nurgle mfs
The Moebians are probably recruiting locally
The Scab captains are probably ex enforcer captains
Or regional command
These 2 types are probably local recruits
Shotgunners too
Or local garrison who fell unto nurgle
hate these fckers
Still not tougj enough to survive
WHY ARE THESE FUCKERS OUT OF AMMO
ARE ALL THE LASGUNS IN THE PROMO ART EMPTY???
They wiped out whole squad
they handed them unloaded weapons for media day
is it even possible to have a character with that dark of skin
Wdym?
He wants to be a walking chocolate
the character customization is weirdly limited
yes
i want to be obviously black
but the game wont let me
I will enslave you
What the
???
the only race the game lets you blatantly be is asian
i swear
everything else is ethnically ambiguous
There's french
Asian and white
Wheres all the black rejects smh
Cotton fields
and ppl wanna call this game woke bruh 😭
We have servitors
That zaelot haircut is woke as fuck tho
And farm equipment
To be honest, at this point in the far future, everyone is probably an equal 5% mix of everything
My psyker is clearly a black women, no ambiguity
Yall know about the Avenging Son book
And them there was a black Ultramarine on the cover
I can’t read
And some people freaked out
You're telling me the Realm of Ultramar had 500 worlds, billions upon billions of people, and none of them are black?
Nocturne is the only source of black people now
He propably stole that armor tho
WHAT

How many exclusively female enemies are there
We got the trappers
We got the dreg bombers/flamers
Women are in the kitchen cooking for mobian 6th
Rinda
it's wild how you can't actually be that black. I noticed that when I made my ogryn
Wheres the female ogryn?
I never seen female ogryn anywhere
Atleast i have one
Because there's no female ogryns in darktide
Nor have I heard the ogryns talk about their mommas
No, i mean i haven't seen female ogryn in entite w40k
Yeah how do you think baby ogryns are made
Hold that thought
iirc the lore is that they keep them locked away to produce more ogryns
Thats fucked
well i mean its 40k
I never seen baby ogryn either
bad things in 40k? how could this happen
Yeah no I'm shoving you lot into a daemonculaba
I bet the female ogryns can kill way better
Get them on the front lines
"you mean the imperium of man isnt the good guys?"
I'm not sure how ogryns have survived that long
Female ogryns exist
They are among the worst lol
Considering they're too much brickhead to know how to sex
I mean it is based
no
Yeah I like the thought of you being flayed
I love chaos bro
warhammer fans are all fascist white supremacists
But I don't want that to actually hapoen
Let me into the hive city
So?
I promise I’m loyalist
Wrong.
true actually
go to Astra Militarum
look into krieg
nazis and unfunny shovelers
We are maidenless fat neckbeards
Showering is for the close minded, I want to grow flies in my eye sockets

at least we arent playing space marine 2
In the future I want to get a cadian cosplay
bro its already taken hold on me
The cutthroat has done a very good job on further taking me down the cadia fanhole
I don't think the flashlight will help to achieve it
i know but it LOOKS like the flashlight on the lasgun
Cadia is cool but I feel like it’s a wee bit overrated
how can you say that when the planet broke before the guard did?
Cadia does not exuat anymore
I'm glad the Kriegers are getting their refresh though
Say hello to my Cadian Shocktrooper
That means I get to paint Armegeddon Steel Legion
Cadians are overrated
bro has fjallraven backpack
I can't think of reasons why people like krieg
Most cadians are basically larpers anyway at this point
Their aesthetic?
True cadians have purple eyes
The number of true cadians is decreasing
Balls of steel
Kriegers have like
they wish germany won first world war
One major battle
maybe versailles treaty
Cadians probably would’ve lost vraks
bro is just talking shit
Who knew the attrition troops could do attrition well
bonk
kriegs would save ukraine
Lmao
The Death Korps of Krieg Kill Team
Dream squad
NONE OF THEM HAVE SHOVELS
I stand corrected
They do have shovels as decorative bits
BUT THEY DONT USE THEM FOR MELEE
THEY ALL USE BAYONETS
I don't know WHATS THEIR DEAL WITH SHOVELS
Bro is NOT a grenadier
Shovel time
NEVERMIND
Shovel for the win
THAT IS THE GRENADIER HELM
What are you guys yelling about bro
I don't know what yalls obsession with shovels are
He having a stroke about krieg innacuracy in memes
No it's just plain overused and unfunny
I'm having fun with it
I could open a modern dictionary and find a picture of a krieg shovel meme under overused
Yeah fair
Imagine being too stupid for Chaos to corrupt
If I read another “shovel go brrr” I’m going to leave a new set of bite marks on my keyboard
ofc that also means you are too stupid to realise you followed into chaos
SHOVEL GO BRRRRRR
Shovels aren't even practical for combat
It's something that ww1 soldiers used as a last ditch weapon
You'd be fucking suprised
When their bayonets aren't cutting it
Some Soldiers forge daggers out of railroad spikes
Shovel to neck
Crazy weapon crafting
no wonder why Crafted weapons are a warcrime
The administratum is fucked up yo
Oddly enough for being so ww1 inspired the DKOK Kill Team doesn't run shotguns
No lucius pattern shotgun ingame yet
Also, germans wanted to ban shotguns in ww1
And shovel is a fucking effective weapon
Othias from C&arsenal taught me that really was more of a propaganda effort by the Germans. They had to push back against Lusitania being sunk and such somehow
They didn't expect anyone to stop using shotguns it's just international war politics
Veterans, lethal proximity still work on frags?
Wonder how many lore addicts will i trigger with DUAL WIELDING SHOVELS
I'm triggered they misspelled Krieg
Who's Kraig
Is Kraig the legendary akimbo shovel murderer from regiment 8054?
Where is Kraig
I may be a lore addict but that’s aura right there
I approve that
My guy

need a comically large ogryn shovel head as a shield + a shovel in right hand
What about putting several shovels together for a shield
One big ass shovel
500 shovels
Real
If I want to be lore accurate krieg what ranged weapons go with shovel
Alright thanks. Thats literally only weapon I haven’t done mastery
Have fun?
Don't forget that Surgical though
Alright
One day we'll be allowed to put a scope on the helbore
when the swedes are done vacationing
Someone take the recon away from zealots
Only if we take away the ds from vets and zealots
They forget that most of their talents are melee

And I wouldn't even be mad if people with actual aim used them
But it's all the scrubs shooting at a ragers feet 
I agree but mostly because zealots don't get a decent value out of recon
Funny Anoint in blood Infernus Piety XIV
I've seen some solo players use it with moderate success
Take recon from zealots and brauto from psykers
Brauto psyker is funny because Warp splitting
The branx minor forge liveries should all have upgraded sights
All mastery skins
Kantrael and laspistol maybe don't need it but helbore and vigauto definitely do
hello im new to the game and just hit 30 on me vet and was wondering if someone could look at my buildplease
Sure
thank you ive sent you a dm
Can someone DM me a Good Build that i can grind towards and start Building
This is fairly standard for most non-breakpoint ranged weapons
What is a Breakpoint Ranged Weapon?
Something that really wants to kill important enemies in as few hits as possible
Ex: plasma gun (really wants to 1 headshot kill flamers & gunners)
Ah
Whats with the Purple skills why are they untouched
Also is this Build Good for the Recon Lasgun
Because most of them are not needed
Playable, but isn’t a dedicated recon lasgun build
Whats the best gum to use with that build
Lots of options
the purple nodes are the keystones, they're... more like playstyle tweak nodes? picking one locks out the others so there's only so much investment which can go into them.
the other side of it is that there's a lot of nodes on the veteran tree which are both rather powerful and relatively low investment to get the most out of.
Strongest are probably
Zarona Mk IIa quickdraw stub revolver (take always prepared under keystone)
Vraks Mk V infantry autogun (take 5% crit chance on right side)
so you'll often find that veteran builds are "top heavy" on the tree (well.. more 3rd quarter of the tree down heavy ^^)
I guess imma go withthe Recon Lasgun
It’s playable with WS
It’s just not a dedicated recon lasgun build
weapon spec
your main weapon will go to either duelist sword (2 or 4) or Rashad, though
maybe smaul too, but i dont use those and consider them shet
i will never able to take them seriously since they released in a patch together with Pickaxes
Or knife or taxe
knife no, sadly cant afford serrated in most builds
And def not taxe either 
taxe is sadly shet on vet
You don't have to use serrated oO
zealot supremacy
weapon specialist is pretty hard to use for a new player. then again, I bet most new players don't know the trick to rebinding target enemy to (mouse-wheel-up or mouse-wheel-down) so the middle keystone is also hard.
fair, im just too addicted to serrated + mercy + uncanny (or anything)
Fair
i was teaching a friend of mine around 2 days ago
Nah, u don’t have to bind tag to scroll wheel to use it
he got it after 5 to 10 minutes in Psykanium
Unless that’s the only comfortable keybind for it you have
How do you guys do the long bomb penance 😭
is that to kill targets with frag without touching ground?
Yes
I have seen enough taxe vets with good DMG to think it has it place in a reciprocity / ws build
get a bolt pistol with Lethal Proximity + frag grenade radius talent
then on something like Enclavum barros
you need that bridge
and throw a nade across the bridge pretty high abobe running enemies
you should get it in 1st or 2nd run
yeah you can just bind to lmb instead
Gotcha, thanks a ton
||don't actually do that||
Bind to rmb
that was supposed to be a thumbs down not up

binding tag to left click is a terrible idea
yeah, it spams the noise and is annoying as hell
anyone who incessantly spams tag for that matter, it's annoying as fuck 
You can disable the ping sound btw
i could, but usually it's fine, except when one asshat comes along pinging three hundred times a second
this bridge
also the end of this map
got a lot of enemies at long range
you can do it there too
For people that use the custom fov mod what values do you use
I think 60 for everything feels nice
uhm why do you sacrafice revolver reload speed do you use it for weapon specialist quickshot only? i noticed the stat in hammer of the emperor guide
So generally speaking you want to have an "all-around" build, unless queue with specific other people or are a badass. What I mean is have an answer to horde, crushers, ragers, etc. that you feel confident with. As you get more experienced you'll get better at dodging, blocking, push attacks, how to funnel the enemies, etc. The difficulty range in this game really ramps up. Later on you'll get 6+ crusher ("armor") running at you at the same time while a monstrosity is chasing and there's 100 horde. Do you have a favorite melee weapon? Melee is more important than range, even on veteran. What are you using now?
Tldr: use voc
voice of command is probably best ultimate in game
use it until you get bored
i want a shange to vet stealth to like huntsman one from vt2
zealot should be shades though then
Zealot is just better with them as you basically get something like 66+% critrate from piety + scourge alone which opens a free opportunity for BM + Headtaker, then you also get a free precog in terms of Duelist + other zealot things.
I also successfully used Decimator + Headtaker Tax a lot, tho i'd wish they rework Decimator, 10 stacks ffs.
Vet feels really behind (after that), even if it's usable

I did not say it was better but yeah zealot has more tools to milk it. I think shred is better than ht tbh
Decimator's the one that drops stacks if you miss once right
yeah
but if you dont its 50% power
against any target
as long as you swing the thing
I don't think I'd take it over riposte on anything though
oh tac axes. nevermind I haven't used those in a long time I know nothing 😄
darn relentless is shit
its basically a worse Decimator
as soon as you hit OTHER target
stacks go to 0
if thats the one with repeated hits
I know I know
idk what they wanted to cook with that one
Shred still looks like a better option
you can just sit at that close to 90% critrate +-


What is the overall best melee for veteran?
I like using the power sword but someone told me that it's chainsword
rashad combat axe
Anyone else hoping for tac axe buffs and ds nerfs
want to soft counter everything?
rashad
Want to soft counter everything and hard counter crushers? Mk6 psword
I like the knife personally but thats because it inflicts bleed
more like hard counter tbh lol
No, that's ds4/5
nah
Rashad is overall better
Ds does do more single target dmg
But with rashad you mostly spam m1 in a horde and everything dies
About the same as DS 4 and Karsolas. Picking between the three for top melee in the game comes down to how you value movement.
Hence how much you value movement.
I thought this "About the same as DS 4 and Karsolas." was a direct answer to the horde clear statement above. If not, mb
Rashad kills 4 targets in a horde (bruisers with extra HP and flak armour included) per swing with Bromentum and Headtaker
DS4 is just way more mobile and needs way less talent point investment to do what it can do
I view all three as aberrations in melee design.
DS4 can dance around Crushers all day no sweat ezpz and poke faces off one after the other, alternate heavy thrusts and special stagger stabs to kite/kill Rager packs, etc.
Momentum preservation my beloved
None of the three have a trade off.
Rashad is pretty slow on Crusher TTK vs DS4 but like Rashad kinda does everything good so it has no weaknesses except needing your talent tree built around it
DS4's tradeoff is slow horde clear
which isn't really a big deal
3 taps crushers sounds nice until there are like 8 Crushers
so you need 24 swings
DS4 would clear multiple crushers way faster
you're generally 3 tapping crushers with DS as well
the upside is that you're poking faster and have better dodge ofc
All three weapons are broken and need retuned.
I could swear I'm 2 tapping
with crits yeah
and like with Recip/Desperado that's pretty common
and that's without funny buff stacking with things like Marksman, FT/RF, etc.
DS just needs to be moved back to psyker only lol
you could probably make a 1 tap Crusher killer with a DS4 if you wanted to LOL
i mean DS deletes crushers really fast, but it's definitely an anomaly. rashad already deletes crushers faster than 90% of the melee weapons out there.
Trying to justify one while beening offended by the others is just mental gymnastics 😁
I mean like idk how to nerf them without making balance fall all over the place tbh
Who's offended
Rashad requires a lot of investment so you're kinda putting all your eggs into a basket that can do everything pretty good but isn't #1 at anything other than horde clear I think?
Seemed like we were in a Rashad bad, ds4 okay mood.
Nah they're both incredibly strong weapons
and tbh if you play Rashad often enough it gets awkward trying to go back to playing other weapons like Shovel
Nah, Rashad is objectively strong. I just said I hate Rashad because I find it super boring
it gets more interesting when there's a rager pack i guess
but usually i just pull out another weapon if i see a rager pack anyway
like go between Rashad/DS4 gameplay into Chainaxe or Chainsword
Plus the fanboying over Rashad on this server goes crazy
I do like rashad for wrist injuries, but have no illusions about its balance.
it's just that strong
Not you
it's probably the #1 Vet melee
i think most of us are aware of how strong it is, and that it's very overtuned lol
A lot of other people though
along with DS4
mk1 shovel buffw hen
how can you live without hearing the WHUMP sound every time you slap a heretic??
Mk1 shovel feels good imo
I use the Mk I pretty exclusively with my Helbore for Krieg memes
it's pretty solid
it's not bad
it's just not top tier like some of the meta picks
It just feels very middling
it's fun
Oh shit ogryn trees getting reworked
it's not like it's the Shredder Autopistol of Vet melees
that's probably Devil's Claw sword tbh
Karsolas gets some bizarre pass due to ogryn population, but it's obscene as well. Absurd horde clear and great single target. All three need tweaked.
Maybe I should abandon the way of the vet and join the ogryn chat
Why you gotta do the devil claw like that, cmon man
I love the Devil Claw
I love the parry
it feels awful fighting packs of scab/dreg bruisers
Kill them 43 damage at a time
They should just buff the parry so it 1 shots everything and then it'll be balanced
Clearly
and it can't hurt Carapace effectively unless you get good at parrying them which gets spooky in big packs of 8
and even then
Parrying a Rager head off with 1 strike is SO fun
I thought parries only killed crushers with fotf
dclaw still has a nice niche as a sidearm imo
cleaving through poxwalkers/groaners feels amazing with it
it just can't handle bigger threats
I vaguely remember someone here posting a vid of them doing a 3 tap vs a Crusher as Vet
but I have no idea how to find that vid
That's kinda nuts
it is but I'm 90% sure it was Psyk Warrior shenanigans + they had to do a parry to make the 3 tap happen
Tbh I think buff its horde clear and that's good enough
possible but not really feasible for general matches
Fine if they come one or two at a time. Parry gets dicey with a pack.
yeah which is the sad part
you sorta NEED to pair it with a gun that can play can opener
and if you run out of ammo you're sorta just left praying someone else deals with armour and that feels bad
I've only ever really used it with boltor
plus now Vet has Heavy Sword which just feels like a stronger Dclaw sword without the fun parry
I need a recon mk14 build @somber axle
I mean I can throw something together in the build editor I guess
are there any specifics on auras/grenades/abilities you prefer
Unironically that's my set up for Lawbringer Shotgun (recently renamed to Zarona Shotgun because it's boring now and Lawbringer sounded way cooler)
there's some weird shenanigans with the special wide shot + Manstopper/Scattershot that just evaporates hordes LOL
I always enjoy your take on things. Probably Survivalist, Frag, Focu Target. Something havok compatible for a party.
Thanks! Though I'm recently returned after being away from Darktide for a few weeks and totally missed the weird Nurgle event with exploding tentacle poxwalkers so idk if that patch changed anything as far as weapon balance yet (and I should probably glance at it just in case)
shame, you missed the infinite beasts of nurgle in that event
here's what I'd recommend for the things you want
especially for the Havoc stuff VoC feels too good to pass up
I'd only go for Exe Stance on something like Boltgun for Havoc and I'm absolutely going to lean into VoC to help push Havoc rank when that starts up
VoC being like 65% of the reason why the game is too easy at times is so funny
you could drop Born Leader for For the Emperor but I remember Veteran Guide Cat mentioning some fun thing they discovered a long while ago where Born Leader combos with VoC to give some extra toughness or something
heres hoping havoc patch nerfs VoC (and maybe plasma gun)
and buffs the other 2 abilities
and if you prefer you can swap off of Close Order Drill/Confirmed Kill into One Motion/Out for Blood but generally I feel the former performs better
Out for Blood gets extra funny with something like Rashad or Power Sword though
cleave hordes and instantly refill toughness to full on every swing
also the good part is that Exe Stance also got pretty good QoL buffs the last time I checked
Staff macro spam needs a pass as well. If you think matches are boring with plasma, it doesn't have anything on a tuned to the ms staff macro spammer.
Relentless made baseline so it's less talent tax expensive to run and no longer instantly breaks if netted/pounced/mutie grabbed
it also remains active if you swap melee to kill a poxwalker before swapping back to ranged
idk how they'd buff Infiltrate to make it more attractive but tbh I think Smoke Grenades need a rework first
Love out for blood, but the other path seems safer.
Infiltrate users are forced into an awkward grenade in either Krak or Smoke, or alternatively zig zag hardcore and eat a steep talent tax worming their way across the tree to get Shredders and Infiltrate
infiltrate, could make it a little bit more like zealot sneak, deal like 25% more damage on hit before breaking out of stealth
maybe rework Surprise Attack maybe?
make you more like an assassin clearing backlines
outside of like funny 1 tap Crusher backstab memes it doesn't really have the uptime to do a lot
the damage buff IS good
the duration is too short given how long the CD is
Damage buff on first clip out of stealth?
true, maybe make the cloak last around 10-15 seconds? not sure how long it lasts right now
but if you make Surprise Attack too strong then it begins to make Infiltrate a better Exe Stance
Helbores unite!
as for executioner stance,first of all imo get rid of the fov decrease completely, it makes it very easy to tunnel vision and ignore the gunner turning you into swift cheese
8 second stealth that breaks on melee or ranged attack and overhand thrown grenades but not on underhand thrown grenades
Praying "no ammo pickups" is not a havoc modifier.
and decrease toughness damage taken while in the stance
if you pair with Low Profile and don't feel guilty dumping aggro onto your squad your stealth extends another 10 seconds and you can attack freely during it too
Does the scoreboard mod still cause memory leaks?
Gone from recons to helbores I see
maybe 15 seconds then
is you plan to get them buffed too
It does, but pretty minor.
my secret is that I love all the Lasguns
Laspistols, Recons, Infantry Lasguns, Helbores
a true guardsman
if they add a Longlas I'll love it too no matter how bad it is
I clear mine every 20 matches without issue.
I'm trying to find out why my fps dropped from 100 consistently to 70
i require a longlas so bad, i wanna snipe a crusher from 50 metres away and one shot it with executioner stance and bring it down
Longlas could be fun if they give it funny fully charged shots that just dump big finesse damage into a target to pair well with Marksman's Focus + Exe Stance for the funniest Psyk Warrior memes obliterating bosses but I half expect the meta for Longlas to revolve around Infiltrate + Low Profile if it ends up being a tricky weapon to use in a firefight
Don't think so
Should be easy enough to disable it for a match in your mod load order file.
hellbore lasgun is right there
As weird as this sounds maybe it's custom fovs
Cause I enabled thar
And then my fps dropped
I've got to give it a run for a few games to get a real opinion of it. I haven't used it since they added one vision to teh game lol
Helbores with their awkward swap time, slow reload and charged shot mechanics already end up feeling a bit slower vs instant swap speed of Plasma and Revolver, the full auto capability + better Carapace damage of the Boltgun
but these are the sacrifices we make to get a fun bayonet stab and a near infinite ammo gun with Shock Trooper
I'd lean more towards the for mod. Even at its worst score board mod just crashed me.
Dats craaazy
my dream would be to give it a shitty laspistol to wield as well for regular grunts and stuff that is god awful, and be able to swap to long las for elite killing
but they would never do that
bayoneting muties
I set mine to never save scoreboards but even then it might just be buggy
bayoneting Ragers
bayoneting Plogryns/Chaos Spawn/Burgles
bayoneting hordes
snipe anything else
maybe the scope could have multiple magnification settings you can alternate with the weapon special while ADS? idk
always be bayonetting
Have you played around with the cleave helbore blessing?
yea it sucks
but then why ever do extra zoom when 90% of fights are in melee or just beyond melee range
changing magnification would be cool, but as you just said everything is too close usually
Sucks on the helbore, entertaining on your melee.
the only time I swap shovel is if there's too much around to bayonet quickly
or if I just want to have fun bonking things for a minute
but still my idea of a laspistol sidearm is clearly the best idea and isnt horrible in the slightest
Wonder if the cleave is still blessing inverted?
sometimes the Psyker needs some breathing room so out comes the shovel and it's time to bonk things to get them away so the Psyker can safely cast
I know the cleave blessing works on the bayonet too but it barely changes anything
like yeah it adds an extra poxwalker/groaner to every thrust but iirc the damage falloff for extra cleave targets is enough that it doesn't let you kill extra targets anyway (or at least that's what I've heard someone say but never tested so take that with a grain of salt)
but it's still a forward thrust instead of a wide swing or cone so it's trickier to line up that cleave to begin with
What do you use with helbore melee wise?
Mk I Shovel or DS4
depending on what I'm doing
AuDamn QP shovel, Maels is usually DS4
ahhh DS4 it's always there
DS4 is just too good for the mobility and easy can opener access
so low investment
so I can throw more of my talent tree into making the Helbore extra funny
if I tried to run a Rashad build with a Helbore it'd feel terrible
sure one sec while I open Darktide back up
I finished a few matches after work and was going to collapse but ended up caught up in conversation instead LOL
D&D in 2 hours HHH
I do this but in days lol
The issue was that the update set my fps cap to unlimited and not 120
My character takes a nap in the corner.
here's what I do for my Helbore
I should roll one with better stats but I've been lazy
and I've never run on red ammo on my Helbore so it doesn't feel that big of a deal
this is mostly because I hate Crushers immensely and this set up lets me 2 tap Crushers with charged shots from the weakest variant of the Helbores
and the firing speed ends up really fast
Wait which helbore was mk5? The blue one?
pop Exe Stance and with the orange buffs active + FT Crushers fall over
this model
it comes with the good bayonet thrust
There's basically no reason other than being a collector to reroll this. Stab is already dump, and with shock trooper your ammo is pretty much irrelevant.
I really enjoy the speed
If ammo is irrelevant why not dump ammo and max stab?
I know but in my brain 80/80/80/80 for Damage, Stopping Power, Ammo and Charge Rate feels important
You could tbh, except that if you're using the Helbore the way it's best used your stab means nothing.
stability has very little effect on things since Helbores have such high innate suppression resistance that even with Gunners and Reapers going full auto in your face outside of Exe Stance it barely nudges the crosshairs at all
Make brain feel good is a totally valid response lol
plus you end up using charged shots 90% of the time if you can help it anyway so the shots end up being on target easier
it's like
not a big deal
it's only a bit more ammo
and it's why I haven't rerolled it
What about half charged shots?
I don't ever do half charged shots
I try to headshot shooters with half charged shits
if you tap fire the basic shooter heads for ranged trash you can save time/ammo I guess?
Typo but I'm leaving it
Not much reason to, esp. with shock trooper/surgical. Either tap or full charge.
Goodvye
also like
you could do cleave blessing instead for the fast firing Helbore variant but tbh Weight of Fire max stacks + Helbore Mk V 80% charge rate feels INSANELY FAST
when you start using that speed it feels almost like an Infantry Lasgun that can punch armour
and much slower swap speed/reload
compare how the Mk V feels with Weight of Fire vs the Mk IV (slowest firing and highest charged shot damage variant)
it's a world of a difference
I use the green helbore for the stab bayonet and marginally higher dmg
And I dump charge rate because I'm insane
the Mk IIIa feels like a better Mk IV that does 2 taps on most targets for less investment than the Mk V but tbh I like the extra speed on the Mk V and don't mind the extra talent points to enjoy that speed
Apparently
Mk IV is so slow and if you wanted to get the funny Crusher 1 tap it requires SO MUCH
it's better to just do 2 taps and tbh you can reach 2 tap Crusher during orange buff + Exe Stance anyway
with the other two variants
Mk IV also has the awful bayonet SWING
Bayonet swing triggers me so hard
I have weapon special bound to a mouse button along the side of my mouse that I can spam with my thumb during fights and it's magical going into bayonet charges into things
it's just also awkward trying to undo muscle memory that wants to sprint THEN bayonet
because it cancels sprint
and you need to do bayonet THEN sprint to begin the bayonet charge
also I swear it feels like there's some sort of "charge" to the bayonet thrust because when I hold it until it draws back fully before releasing I get mutie 1 taps if I strike their heads as they run at me
but if it's a quick tap for bayonet thrust they eat the strike and need a follow up hit
and that could just be crits feeding some placebo in my brain but that'd be such a weird coincidence if it is
If it's confirmation bias I have the same bias. It feels like it both charges up over time and hits harder if you're actually sprinting.
yeah
bayonet charge feels like it hits slightly harder
enough to reach breakpoints that it wouldn't hit with a quick thrust
it does hit harder
you dont have to sprint to do that, its just two stages of heavy
ah ok that confirms it
quick special is just the stab, hold it down and the gun gets couched under your shoulder
thanks!
thats the heavy
And sprinting just happens to give you enough time to charge it to stage 2, I suppose? Makes sense.
I keep tweaking my Recon/Rashad build... here's iteration v.97
Shout🤮
Rashad is tricky because I think the swing speed feels too slow without Trench Fighter Drill +10% melee attack speed or Weapon Specialist +15% melee attack speed
I don't like Focus Target without Redirect Fire, but I don't know what you'd drop to get it.
I definitely feels bad.. not sure if it changes the usefulness much though.
but if you're not bothered by the lack of attack speed talents it works I guess?
That random damage node or smth
Above infiltrate
Yeh, I would swap that
though Focus Target without Redirect Fire is probably not changing damage much
Damn....
Don't know about you guys. But don't you love it when you're the best!? ❤️
All melee = too easy.
SO CLOSE TO A MIL!
Only ogryn is the best
that's +5% crit chance node
And most Ogryn players are bad too!
It's the 5% crit node. Not vital, but definitely helps ammo economy.
Begone to zealot chat
Pfft, I was the 2nd best Ogryn around for a good while.
I wouldn't take 5% more ammo over a teamwide damage buff myself
(yes more damage on crits too etc)
Sad to see ogryns getting trash talked in vet chat.
But honestly, Ogryn is just Pickaxe or Gunlugger.
Anything less is just playing a game of catch up. Which is why i hate Ogryn atm. It was so fun before.
I would
How do you Ogryns fight over who is best at H1 into block cancel with Kickback spam?
Wrong
By simply outliving everyone.
Ogryns are good friends but Gunlugger Ogryns eat too many ammo packs/tins (and I let them because I'm a Lasgun/Shock Trooper enjoyer so it doesn't really threaten my ammo tbh)
wait is shield bad?? but I love shield...
it was my fav melee for Ogryn when I was running Ogryn penances
Nah, shield is good
Oh right, Shield's great too.
I had such game. 2 staff psykers lasgun vet. So my ammo hungy ripper ass had all the ammo for the taking
Shield is just somehow even more boring than pickaxes
Well that kinda just means Shovel and Bully Club are in a mid tier.

I don't read other class notes so I never know what's going on for the other three LOL
Honestly though, I'm already giving the team VoC, Survivalist, Focus Target, and Born Leader... they have to bring something to the table.
lol ok
Don't get me started with Ripper Guns too.
I always love feeding the Gunlugger Ogryn when I can and watching them go wild LMFAO
they look like they're having a fantastic time
But yea, screw Ogryn balances. They used to be soooooo tanky!
Rippers do generally make me feel sad.
FLYING BODY PARTS INCOMING
I distinctly remember being one of 3 Psykers (all of us using staves) getting put with a Gunlugger Ogryn running one of the Twin Stubbers and he ate so good all throughout that map
it was a delight to see him just freely spraying beginning to end
he could eat all 4 ammo crate pick ups
truly the Gunlugger Ogryn dream
Best feeling
Had a few of those matches as the ogryn
Speaking of -cough cough- if you're NA, you can totally prove me wrong and try to outbeat me. If you can, that's awesome because i'm looking for HAVOC players.
That barrel never stopped shining bright. And they say Ogryns need a flashlight
we're going to see the Gunlugger Ogryntide soon
their new Stubber is going to draw the Ogryn hordes...
No im European, i play dt for fun first and foremost
Heavy stubber with rending sounds fun
Boo! That's lame. lol
So im not looking to be better than you
Shooting mk6 ripper is fun
It was within the first year.
I mean im better than most zealots i encounter
And thats not particularly high bar
Well still. Before the damage reduction nerfs, it was pretty easy to play Ogryn lol. Now it's soooooooooo bad!
And no, it's the "Duh, they feel clunky/slow" nah uh. They just can't keep up with everyone else.
I'm mad now!
I only fall over to machinegunner spam or when whole team goes down. So i trybto prevent the second one at all costs
Go ask in oggie chat, I'm sure you'll find an ogryn player up to your standards.
I should....
Run in with your cool knife tech that you found by yourself and you are keeping a secret from everyone else
Leave teammates behind cause they are slow af, noobs
Engage the enemy (kill them all)
Bullshit rager pack ambushes me around the corner
Alt F4 cause I can't lose my Auric Storm Survivor (ASS) streak
Average Maelstrom Zealot
Good point. Still won't stop me from talking trash about how far Ogryns have fallen. Most just don't know how to play them, and the meta for them is so boring lol.
I miss the funny Knife Zealots
sprint halfway across the map
they're so far you have no chance of catching up
they kill everything fine for like 5-10 minutes
they get netted
Lol
spam ping the trapper


