Its okay hadron personally scrubs every reject down really well
#veteran-class
elder fiber
gritty mural
melk solos the entire mourning star, morrow and rannick are frauds
elder fiber
Can't wait to fight Awakened Melk at havok lvl 40
mental halo
TRAITOR
errant carbon
Can't wait to fight Awakened Melk at havok lvl 40
He fell to Nurgle because he never wanted to have to change his schedule again
junior needle
lol, lmao
junior needle
Very unhot take: If you release a buggy, unfinished mess and take a super long time to get it into acceptable status
That is not a labor of love
They absolutely do not deserve it
I'll vote them for the "cement shoes" category with the way they drag their feet doing anything
pseudo fiber
I voted for them because I like this game and wouldn't mind them winning
elder fiber
I'm voting b/c that poor ogryn and his bee allergies
plush oracle
lmao
clever hedge
He needs his medicae
faint beacon
I ain’t voting for TF2 🚬
frank basin
I give vote, just whatever they want
frank basin
we only have Jannies in tf2
ruby hull
They absolutely do not deserve it
vermintide has gotten more love this year than darktide
give it to vermintide
thick bear
we only have Jannies in tf2
I say we double, no, triple janny's salary!
gritty mural
tf2 fans are just straightup delusional thinking valve will continue to do more than just seasonal cases
umbral parrot
FYI, I am literally a named character.
tall torrent
Is it stability?
finite carbon
Okay, thamk
umbral parrot
Damn... i kinda do want to use the Helbore lol
Tac-Axe / Helbore.
Just for fun, nothing serious of course.
Check this badboy out.
Weapon Specialist = 100% crit chance. Bitterness = more fire damage.
umbral parrot
A damn good one at that too
austere mica
An exceedingly poor one
umbral parrot
And yet i bet you i'll still score top in my team lol
austere mica
You are using half the duration of your stacks to draw your gun
umbral parrot
Nuh uh. From half to 3/4!
Besides, i only need a goot shot before closing into melee.
faint beacon
Check this badboy out.
faint beacon
Why?
umbral parrot
I don't know it, but it's high up there.
faint beacon
You can just fucking use its charged strike
tall torrent
Weapon Specialist = 100% crit chance. Bitterness = more fire damage.
Weapon specialist is incompatible with Helbore because of how it’s coded
umbral parrot
I'll outdo the code then.
tall torrent
Weapon specialist is not “gain stack on ranged kill”
umbral parrot
Weapon specialist is not “gain stack on ranged kill”
Huh?
tall torrent
It’s “gain stack on kill while ranged weapon is in hand”
tall torrent
You don’t get to use both parts of WS from Helbore’s attacks
Melee bayonet kills with Helbore still only give u melee specialist (activated from swapping to melee)
It’s genuinely as bad compatibility as it gets
steep herald
hey yall does anyone know of any good builds for auric maelstroms?
tall torrent
Nuh uh. From half to 3/4!
This is also not worded very well
One Motion is x0.8 wield time
It’s only 0.3~0.25s faster for Helbore & Boltgun
For other weapons it’s negligible
quaint sparrow
I retract my earlier statement
once I understood how to vent heat from the plasma gun
it became my new favorite
austere mica
Unfortunate
umbral parrot
What are you guys talking about, this gun rocks!
To be fair, maybe i could do the same without talents though.... but still!
But you guys are right
This build is all wrong.
umbral parrot
More man than machine!
Here, updated my weapon. This way i can hit harder against all of my foes.
quaint sparrow
And still kickin heretics in the face for the Emperor! CADIA KARKIN STANDS!
umbral parrot
Look at that! Add in Agile Engagement, plus Surprise attack. We're talking a potential 80% more damage against Unyielding.
Damn, i'm so smort. Making up my own Meta on the spot! No need to thank me gentlemen.
GASP
WHAT PERFECT TIMING TO TEST MY GUN OUT~!
rugged ingot
What's the recommended dump stat on the revolver?
tough flower
rugged ingot
What are you guys talking about, this gun rocks!
As a Helbore user I'd agree with everyone else, it takes way too long for Weapon Specialist to actually be useful.
It might not be a bad gun by itself, but it would be a bad choice for that build.
umbral parrot
All i need is a good shot
It's fun regardless. Not sure if i'm making it work. I know I can do more with a Revolver or Plasma but still cool
cosmic yarrow
When do you get the "Path of Trust" chapter 2 completed?
rugged ingot
Probably around level five?
There are 30 levels and 6 chapters, so that's my guess.
quaint sparrow
Why does the sister prine or whats her name is hate the loose cannon so much
loll
I keep getting hated on
tall torrent
Why does the sister prine or whats her name is hate the loose cannon so much
lore accurate ecclesiarchy member
umbral parrot
Yea, first time using the Helbore on 3veg.
Not to my liking. It's not even the long draw time. It's how long it takes to charge up your shots.
Buuuut that might be the inexperience talking. Going for a round 2
quaint sparrow
Question
What happens when I blow up my plasma gun mid mission and get revived ?
do I lose it ?
tall torrent
u can't blow up if ur using it right
tall torrent
Is it gone if it goes boom ?
no
tall torrent
Yeah, i know. Just hypothetically
I mean like
if u use it right (exclusively hipfire, never charge), u cannot blow up
quaint sparrow
Realy ? Thats the "Right" way to use it ?
I do use the charge to blow up big things
tall torrent
Realy ? Thats the "Right" way to use it ?
yea
tall torrent
I do use the charge to blow up big things
unfortunately charge shots are entirely worthless rn
tall torrent
May I ask why ?
much lower dps
risk blowing up
only 3 shots before overheat (hipfire has 8)
does less damage than hipfire x3 even though it uses the same amount of ammo
cannot sprint while holding charge
has 2x cleave but doesn't penetrate carapace so u don't meaningfully kill high mass enemies any better
the lower dmg compared to hipfire x3 is just low enough to require extra perks for 1 shot crusher breakpoint which takes away your crucial perk slots for actually important 1 hit kill breakpoints
u don't even deal much aoe dmg if u blow up
plasma is strong because it's an extremely reliable 1-hit-kill gun vs most specialists & ranged elites, and has very high cleave to thin out mixed hordes
it's not strong because u get to kaboom urself
umbral parrot
Honestly, they do need to buff the charge up shots.
hollow ibex
plasma needs a rework
tall torrent
I'd like to see
hipfire cleave 50 nerf to 5 (can cleave through 1 gunner/rager)
hipfire dmg vs carapace & unyielding massively reduced
brace fire cleave 100 nerf to 15
brace fire can cleave through carapace armor (can hit 2 crushers)
brace fire dmg vs carapace & unyielding massively increased
umbral parrot
Not against Unyielding!
tall torrent
I think hipfire dmg vs most enemies are in a fine spot because it does take very specific talents to get 1 hit breakpoints
tall torrent
Not against Unyielding!
nah, left click should be primarily vs softer targets
make charged shots the go-to for larger enemies
tall torrent
plasma is an "anti-armor" gun, make its charged shot actually good
give it like
minimum 3000 carapace dmg on charged bodyshot
maybe 6k or higher vs unyielding
u get 3 charged shots before overheat, they gotta do something meaningful
umbral parrot
And maybe 8k against Infested!
tall torrent
what's infested for
umbral parrot
For killing Pox Walkers. Duh
Who knows, maybe potential cough cough Daemons in the future? They have to be infested!
But honestly, just give me a plasma pistol.
tall torrent
But honestly, just give me a plasma pistol.
we might unironically get longlas before that lol
umbral parrot
How about scopes for weapons that don't have them?
tall torrent
How about scopes for weapons that don't have them?
errant carbon
How about scopes for weapons that don't have them?
Reddit thinks bad ironsights are a deliberate balancing factor
fading yarrow
Reddit? Thinks?
umbral parrot
Reddit thinks bad ironsights are a deliberate balancing factor
Aren't they known for being dumb?
fading yarrow
How about scopes for weapons that don't have them?
Scoped Helbore 
umbral parrot
Lol imagine!
tranquil bronze
So no new wepaons for Vet?
radiant chasm
So no new wepaons for Vet?
Next year
tranquil bronze
Here's to hoping it's a hotshot
umbral parrot
Yes please
tranquil bronze
They come with drum type batteries now
So there's no excuse why we can't have it now
umbral parrot
They come with drum type batteries now
WOAH That's new to me~!!
They should work like a Flamer does. Can only shoot when braced.
tranquil bronze
They should work like a Flamer does. Can only shoot when braced.
Wouldn't make sense
umbral parrot
Wait, hold up.
Getting confused with the other heavy gun.
The one that shoots a lot more. Hellgun?
umbral parrot
OOOH
Nvm
Talking about the Hotshot Volley Gun~!
Now that one i can imagine bracing and letting it rip!
cobalt crest
Storm boltors when
umbral parrot
Or Melta guns...
Regardless
I want the full arsenal of a Tempestus Scion~! I mean, i'm always doing Auric missions, i'm practically just as good as one!
umbral parrot
They have their own unique ones!? I always thought they used the same weapons as the Scions.
cobalt crest
Is getting kraks and then survivalists ok to do or not worth spending the extra points for
umbral parrot
Man, i always loved Kasrkins since DoW 1
cobalt crest
I got dow1 recently I've been trying to convince my friends to get it so we can play the apocalypse mod
errant carbon
Aren't they known for being dumb?
That's the joke
tranquil bronze
Kasrkin sniper is absolute drip
umbral parrot
Hah, that makes it 10x funnier~!
umbral parrot
Kasrkin sniper is absolute drip
Wait, that's Kill Team! lol
I know that cloaked Kasrkin anywhere
cobalt crest
Have you tried the weapon customization mod
tranquil bronze
Yep
tall torrent
Here's to hoping it's a hotshot
the longlas will prob be their "hotshot lasgun"
cobalt crest
Can guardsmen use las fusils
tranquil bronze
the longlas will prob be their "hotshot lasgun"
I would like the Aquilon carbine for the hotshot. That one got a drum mag.
cobalt crest
Or is that a marine only weapon
tall torrent
Can guardsmen use las fusils
Las fusils are basically tank las cannons but single fire
tall torrent
I would like the Aquilon carbine for the hotshot. That one got a drum mag.
What does the top left icon look like to u
tranquil bronze
What does the top left icon look like to u
Well then
cobalt crest
What does the top left icon look like to u
Where do you see these
And wait does that confirm melta?
tall torrent
Where do you see these
Datamined from 2 years ago
cobalt crest
Oh
cobalt crest
Yeah chain axe too
tall torrent
We’re getting force greatsword (bottom left) and relic blade (bottom middle)
tranquil bronze
Is that ryza pattern? Or smth else
Looks Kantrael to me
tall torrent
Looks Kantrael to me
That icon looks kind of bullpup? Like there’s no battery pack in front of the pistol grip
tall torrent
Is there a lasgun that has you feed through the top?
idk
cobalt crest
Also does long shot apply to each individual enemy and not like kill zone where it just doesn't work at all if an enemy is in proximity
tall torrent
Also does long shot apply to each individual enemy and not like kill zone where ...
longshot is not good
cobalt crest
That makes sense
tall torrent
That makes sense
it doesn't do anything from 0~12.5m
cobalt crest
Kill zone is also just straight up useless too?
tall torrent
nah
killzone is weird
because it is a lot of dmg that actually contributes to breakpoints
it's just that relying it for breakpoints is bad
because the moment anything steps into melee range u lose ur breakpoints
fervent quiver
tag exists which destroys that
tall torrent
but it's usually the better pick if ur going exe stance
cobalt crest
Ic ok
tall torrent
opening salvo (10% crit chance) only matters for a few weapons where u absolutely want to max crit chance without going into deadshot
fervent quiver
revolver/shotgun
tall torrent
nah
cobalt crest
Recon las?
fervent quiver
no
cobalt crest
Revolver has surgical
tall torrent
opening salvo is mostly for stuff like
infantry autogun V
recon lasgun VIc & XII
Helbore (all 3)
it doesn't matter much for revolver & shotgun
fervent quiver
which reconds?
fervent quiver
ah, I need the old tags
cobalt crest
Infantry autogun seems kinda weird though no? Cause 20% of an autoguns mag is like 10 bullets
tall torrent
ah, I need the old tags
VIc = II (old)
XII = VId (old)
XIV = VIIa (old)
fervent quiver
ty
tall torrent
Infantry autogun seems kinda weird though no? Cause 20% of an autoguns mag is li...
crit string & high finesse
fervent quiver
I love that the infantry autogun still works
cobalt crest
What's crit string
tall torrent
for certain weapons if u crit once while firing, the next few shots will be guaranteed crits
cobalt crest
Oh what
fervent quiver
I honestly forgot recon lasgun has that
fading yarrow
Mathspeak
tall torrent
higher crit string = better scaling with crit chance
tall torrent
tall torrent
I would much prefer
fervent quiver
the thing still kills well
fervent quiver
it's just crushers that it can't kill
tall torrent
it's just crushers that it can't kill
nah it doesn't need to kill crushers
fervent quiver
guess what I shot
Weapon swap boi?
cobalt crest
guess what I shot
Is it a bulwark
tall torrent
I hope they change its inverse falloff profile and buff its flak ADM tho
tall torrent
Is it a bulwark
no, I spawned a crusher with creature spawner
cobalt crest
Damnit
tall torrent
the fact that u cannot tell that this is a crusher speaks volumes about how obstructive it is
because in a live game u could hit a flamer tank and just not know
because the muzzle flash blinds u completely
fervent quiver
no, I spawned a crusher with creature spawner
how much damage did the shot do?
tall torrent
how much damage did the shot do?
u just gotta accept that not every weapon is meant to kill crushers
fervent quiver
Is it a bulwark
I only knew due to being in that training room for so long
fervent quiver
u just gotta accept that not every weapon is meant to kill crushers
I REFUSE!
I just hate that when crushers show up, my day gets ruined because apparently nobody but me can shoot crushers
fervent quiver
if u rly wanted to pop crushers with lasgun
no that's cheating
A helbor is cheating
tall torrent
I just hate that when crushers show up, my day gets ruined because apparently no...
have u tried melee
tall torrent
I have a standard shovel
oh well
fervent quiver
I just want my pure guardsman build to work
cobalt crest
Do I have to post builds on the thread or can I post builds here
And ask for advice
fervent quiver
Do I have to post builds on the thread or can I post builds here
here
tall torrent
get ur hands on some actual anti-armor melee weapons then
fervent quiver
get ur hands on some actual anti-armor melee weapons then
Turns out 3 kraks is not enough sometimes
tall torrent
Turns out 3 kraks is not enough sometimes
I meant melee weapons
cobalt crest
Ok I don't have the minimized talent tree mod so you're gonna have to bear with me
tall torrent
shovel is actually ok vs crushers
fervent quiver
Surprisingly yes it is
orchid nova
Are you using the adjustable shovels or
fervent quiver
Shovel + thrust can one shot
which shovel?
orchid nova
IIRC like Oggy, vet only has 2 adjustable shovels
cobalt crest
Mkvii
orchid nova
third is the vanilla
tall torrent
mk1 and mk7 are the good ones
fervent quiver
blue one.
tall torrent
mk3 is not worth
orchid nova
There's always the brain damaged fetal alcohol lasgun build
cobalt crest
Imo mk1 is strong with decimator and mkvii is better with thrust but that's just personal preference
orchid nova
Onslaught + Recon Las + Shock Trooper + Maxed Crits
cobalt crest
Limbsplitters also fine but I don't like waiting
tall torrent
limbsplitter is horrible
orchid nova
it's a trap yes
fervent quiver
Onslaught + Recon Las + Shock Trooper + Maxed Crits
Ahh the simple recon lasgun build to kill everything
Even after all the changes it still works
orchid nova
It's a pretty trashy build that pushes you into a lot of bad habits, but it works
fasgun go fast
cobalt crest
I mean if you're good at timing it's basically the same as thrust no? You just don't have to charge it up all the way
fervent quiver
I use it sometimes just to destress
orchid nova
Yes but you can't use it every swing
tall torrent
I mean if you're good at timing it's basically the same as thrust no? You just d...
no because hitting things while it's on CD resets its CD back to full
fervent quiver
I mean if you're good at timing it's basically the same as thrust no? You just d...
there's a lot of weapons where that's extremely different
tall torrent
cobalt crest
Oh so you'll just never have it active
tall torrent
so if ur hitting things u don't get to use limbsplitter
cobalt crest
LOL
tawny timber
they fix this for lasguns first
this is the only downside to using mk IIb
fervent quiver
What are vet shovel talents anyway
cope with weapon swap
cobalt crest
orchid nova
Blessings I mean
orchid nova
haha
cobalt crest
How's this for a recon lasgun build
tall torrent
this is the only downside to using mk IIb
I wish its dmg was a little better tho
fervent quiver
this is the only downside to using mk IIb
I need a reminder for what the 2b is
tall torrent
I need a reminder for what the 2b is
old MG IV
orchid nova
Well, first off, those red talents are kinda traps
tawny timber
fastest firing one
cobalt crest
I was thinking of maybe getting focus as a keystone but I think maybe no keystone is better
fervent quiver
I am going to kill fatshark for changing these names
tawny timber
I wish its dmg was a little better tho
yeah
tawny timber
would be nice
fervent quiver
I was thinking of maybe getting focus as a keystone but I think maybe no keysto...
Focus works perfectly
cobalt crest
Why do they change the names of guns anyways?
tall torrent
Well, first off, those red talents are kinda traps
nah, they do add a lot of dmg
orchid nova
Focus is best for sprayguns
umbral parrot
I just want my pure guardsman build to work
I thought Guardsmen were you know... NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK
orchid nova
nah, they do add a lot of dmg
For like, 5-10s during your activation
umbral parrot
They die all the time
fervent quiver
I thought Guardsmen were you know... NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK
EXCUSE YOU
umbral parrot
Not unlike us, we're Veterans. ❤️
tall torrent
For like, 5-10s during your activation
10s for CQKZ and marksman is quite a lot
orchid nova
IIRC they don't refresh when you recheck
fervent quiver
Not unlike us, we're Veterans. ❤️
Sometimes you want to go back to the good ol days
tall torrent
considering veteran has tac awareness
orchid nova
with the exe stance
umbral parrot
Nah, i'm more the type who's like "Nah i'd win" against a Chaos Space Marine
fervent quiver
with the exe stance
no way, that's terrible
tall torrent
IIRC they don't refresh when you recheck
no, but 10s uptime with tac awareness for refresh still is pretty high uptime
orchid nova
then again I usually use weapons that 1shs anyways
tall torrent
red nodes are not traps lol
fervent quiver
red nodes are honestly some corner stones that get you out of situations
cobalt crest
Wait what was that one story where a grey knight died to a bunch of feudal era knights
fervent quiver
or you really want those men dead
cobalt crest
How did they even manage to do that
tall torrent
red nodes are honestly some corner stones that get you out of situations
nah
it depends
I think after u get ur breakpoints and u have some points to spare
red nodes are very much worth it
fervent quiver
yeah, That's how I treat them
tall torrent
it also depends on if ur weapons benefit from them noticeably
umbral parrot
Define Red Notes?
fervent quiver
Define Red Notes?
the perks in red
tall torrent
Define Red Notes?
For the emperor
Close quarters killzone
Marksman
temporarily +dmg on ability activation
umbral parrot
Ability Modifiers?
Hunter's Resolve all the time
You can actually revive someone fast enough before your toughness breaks while standing on fire.
tall torrent
most of the time CQKZ/FTE does something for u
take FTE if u go exe stance
if u take VoC it's kind of a tossup
umbral parrot
Duty and Honor is something you must always take
tall torrent
because born leader does spread like extra 25~30 toughness with every VoC activation
and FTE is not that much on its own
fervent quiver
This is what I like to call my And This IS Jackass Build
show top as well
tall torrent
This is what I like to call my And This IS Jackass Build
this is not rly good for recon
umbral parrot
20% Rending?
umbral parrot
And Brittleness!? D-DOes it work!?
orchid nova
It's not good
umbral parrot
Oh lol
orchid nova
This is memery
umbral parrot
I mean, can't be worse than my Helbore/Tac-axe build i had earlier.
That was trash.
fervent quiver
I mean, can't be worse than my Helbore/Tac-axe build i had earlier.
bayonet charge build
umbral parrot
No
cobalt crest
Wait hammer can you give me advice for my build
umbral parrot
Besides, it's the lame Bayonet attack where you slash rather than stab.
tall torrent
Wait hammer can you give me advice for my build
what did u make
fervent quiver
show the entire build here
umbral parrot
Where's your Marksman Focus?
orchid nova
Tempted to swap to ogryn highlighter to make it even cringier
orchid nova
But yes. Despite what youd' think, the Marksman Keystone is really made for sprayguns like the Recon Las, Brrauto, IAG, and so on
fervent quiver
Tempted to swap to ogryn highlighter to make it even cringier
go all ogryn killing
fervent quiver
But yes. Despite what youd' think, the Marksman Keystone is really made for spra...
yep
orchid nova
See, if you spray one headshot every 3s at all
you can run around fully
there's no penalty to missing
Meanwhile loser nerds using actual sniping weapons...like
Actually is it me or is Slug shotgun the most sniper feeling gun Vet has lol
tawny timber
orchid nova
genuinely feels like a bolt action
tawny timber
beanbag shotgun for vet when
orchid nova
You get very tries when using actual precision weapons to get headshots
whereas if you just held down M1 with a brrauto at a horde, you're guranteed to hit the head atleast every 20 bullets or so
cobalt crest
beanbag shotgun for vet when
Tbh I'd like shotguns more if they were permanently the special ammo type one fire, one buckshot, and one slugs
fervent quiver
I love the slug shotgun
orchid nova
Tbh I'd like shotguns more if they were permanently the special ammo type one fi...
or if you could just, idk
permaswap the ammo type
buckshot and slug, buckshot and incendiary, buckshot and suckshot
also if their ammo counts were in any way comparable to other weapons of their power level.
orchid nova
Suckshot 🤨
The base green shotgun's spread shot. It's pretty crap
orchid nova
normal shotguns, decently
the issue is their long reloads and shallow ammo pools compared to Brrauto which fills the same general niche
cobalt crest
I wanted to build combat shotguns and I thought all shotguns had run n gun so I thought I'd be able to circumvent it's lackluster performance by decreasing it's spread
And then I found out it didn't and I stopped leveling my shotgun
tall torrent
Meanwhile loser *nerds* using actual sniping weapons...like
Actually is it me o...
I wish combat shotguns were better because they have such cool looking models
orchid nova
Honestly I'd settle for the same shotguns but with deeper ammo pools
tall torrent
they don't have consistent dmg which is a big problem
fervent quiver
that's why slug is best feeling
lilac kayak
Oh wait nvm
cobalt crest
Honestly I'd settle for the same shotguns but with deeper ammo pools
What about penetration for unarmored and the fire one can spread to nearby units
orchid nova
Like, look at these numbers.
Blue Brrauto: 740 ammo, 120 damage.
Blue Shotgun: 76 ammo 412 damage.
Even the brown heavy stubber only gets 537 ammo and 132 damage.
tall torrent
the problem is that shotguns could take 2~3 shots to kill in their "max dmg ranges"
orchid nova
That too but
tall torrent
and their 1-tap ranges just aren't far enough
orchid nova
even if it was
tall torrent
so the ammo cost is artifically inflated
orchid nova
they have very low total damage per reload
I'm not disagreeing. I'm saying even if it wasn't artifically inflated and they spread that damage out perfectly, they'd still be miles behind similar weapons
tall torrent
they have very low total damage per reload
total dmg is not rly the core problem here because the data cards don't tell u everything
like, revolver doesn't have statistically high dmg with the amount of ammo u bring
orchid nova
It is when the ammo efficiency becomes an issue
tall torrent
and it's the best gun on veteran bar none
orchid nova
Yes, but shotgun isn't revolver. It's used very differently and you know this
tall torrent
how so
orchid nova
that's why I'm comparing it to brrauto
orchid nova
it's pretty much a mid-short range inaccurate weapon
and you have to swap to slug fire to change that
tall torrent
I think they need to have much more consistent damage profile and better 1 shot range vs gunners & flamers
and maybe faster reload speed innately
orchid nova
I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying more ammo won't hurt
tall torrent
could get a bit more yea
orchid nova
Especially when their current ammo counts are so egregious
tall torrent
90~130 baseline wouldn't be bad
tall torrent
but rly they need better dmg & better dmg consistency
orchid nova
if they could afford to double tap more often that wouldn't be as much of an issue either too
shotguns inherently have issues with consistency and range.
if we just made it a differently skinned lever action rifle that wouldn't really make them play like shotguns IMO
There's a point where you lower the spread to and it stops feeling like a shotgun
tall torrent
I don't think lowering spread is a good solution
I think increasing the minimum pellet count value and per-pellet dmg would go a long way
orchid nova
true
tall torrent
agripinaa slug also needs a dmg buff
orchid nova
but they did that for Kickback then kneejerk nerfed it so that the only thing minimum pellet value can take out is sniper
umbral parrot
I wish combat shotguns were better because they have such cool looking models
Check this bad boy out!
Love it so much but yea, Shot Gun is a waste.
orchid nova
Shotguns in vermintide also had best-in-class horde and especially berserker damage. That'd be an interesting angle to push it towards IMO.
umbral parrot
I mean, Kickback and Double Barrel does that, right?
Combat Shotgun just.... does nothing
umbral parrot
No buts, it's badass.
As a former Ogryn main, Ripper was useless because of the Kickback
That's how good it is!
wild vortex
Kickback is literally the best non PBB weapon Ogryn has, and it's decent enough even with PBB vs non-monstrosities
tall torrent
Combat shotgun takes 3 shots to kill a single Dreg rager
DB shotgun takes 1 braced double shot to kill 3
orchid nova
I honestly prefer the GG
takes out specials very reliably
for everything else there's melee
wild vortex
yeah let me just perfectly line up four grenades while the gunner line is piling on me after I have spent 3 business days reloading, instead of just chucking two or three kicky blasts at them while menacingly getting closer and killing a few and suppressing the rest by the time I reach them
makes sense
tall torrent
yeah let me just perfectly line up four grenades while the gunner line is piling...
Grenade gauntlet has reload cancel tech
orchid nova
also it takes like 1 grenade to kill a gunner if you built for it
wild vortex
Grenade gauntlet has reload cancel tech
what if I'm not a sweatlord
umbral parrot
Then die lol
orchid nova
granted that involves 2s charge up
lilac kayak
I honestly prefer the GG
Does require a bit more skill to aim those lob shots at medium to long range tho
wild vortex
also it takes like 1 grenade to kill a gunner if you built for it
I guess, I don't build for bad weapons personally
orchid nova
kickback otoh can't pop gunners even with surgical, sadly
ogryn weapons have piss-poor crit values
umbral parrot
Then you close the distance and give em a good wack
orchid nova
fun to knock em down and whack em tho
umbral parrot
Especially since you can charge or taunt.
orchid nova
still, at that point I'd just skip the knockdown and just slide forward and whap
tall torrent
what if I'm not a sweatlord <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I mean, in like 5 days time you’ll get 3 automatic snipers
orchid nova
haha yeah
orchid nova
Looking forward to the overnerfed after beta autocannons
wild vortex
tbf I won't be playing this game once 6th December happens and PoE2 drops
will return sometime in 2025 kek
tame lodge
yeah let me just perfectly line up four grenades while the gunner line is piling...
Oh and stuns interrupt your shots
You hear it going thump but nothing happens
umbral parrot
How's this for Combat Shotgun?
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How's this for Combat Shotgun?
One of their better picks
tame lodge
Aiming Down Sights?
tall torrent
Yea, the damage & damage consistency is horrible
umbral parrot
How did you pull off 3 shots!? It's taking me more.
umbral parrot
Oh, lol duh. Didn't think about Aiming
tame lodge
Unexplained FS mechanic mentioned 🗣️🔥
umbral parrot
But this is tempting, even you guys have to admit that.
tame lodge
Unless you inspect the ADMs or something
tall torrent
Like, for a low ammo & slow firerate weapons I think they generally need:
consistent 1 headshot kills vs flamers & gunners
Potentially 1 bodyshot kills vs shotgunners (nice to have, optional)
Potentially 1 bodyshot kills vs trappers (nice to have, optional)
Combat shotguns just don’t do any of that
orchid nova
Changes minimum pellet count value
Is there an updated minimum pellet count for all the shotguns anywhere?
tall torrent
Is there an updated minimum pellet count for all the shotguns anywhere?
My guide has them
All firing modes for all 4 human shotguns
umbral parrot
Implying Ogryns are not human? Shame on you
tall torrent
Game calls them abhumans
umbral parrot
ab-Humans
tall torrent
Fatshark also calls “universally shared weapons” as “human weapons”
If u got a better term for that and it happens to be short I could use it instead
tame lodge
But this is tempting, even you guys have to admit that.
Full Bore No Respite Agripina 
tall torrent
Nah
umbral parrot
But this is tempting tho
signal cypress
Is the dragon's breath shottie still valid?
hollow ibex
usable but not great
tall torrent
Is the dragon's breath shottie still valid?
Not in a great spot, still playable
orchid nova
It's a funny meme
Take it and flechette and take the spray shotgun with ws to make everything bleed slightly lmao
wait, do combat shotguns get flechette?
signal cypress
Not in a great spot, still playable
Damn alr
tawny timber
Shotguns in vermintide also had best-in-class horde and especially berserker dam...
MFW the primitive tuba shotgun is better than the 40k combat shotgun
tame lodge
Funny Fire Bleed shotgun
tawny timber
if victor saltzpyre got isekaid into darktide hed probably be massively op
errant carbon
Funny Fire Bleed shotgun
The Dotgun
analog mural
I'm the grim darkness of the 41st... Shotguns with mags don't exist
errant carbon
if victor saltzpyre got isekaid into darktide hed probably be massively op
He would suddenly be the only man in 40k who can use a sword and pistol at the same time
orchid nova
MFW the primitive tuba shotgun is better than the 40k combat shotgun
You're just not at kruber's level
errant carbon
I'm the grim darkness of the 41st... Shotguns with mags don't exist
Lostech
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I'm the grim darkness of the 41st... Shotguns with mags don't exist
They do
The scab shotgunners have drum mags attached
tawny timber
why do the scabs just get better gear
analog mural
They do
The scab shotgunners have drum mags attached
Heretical tech 
hollow ibex
but they still pump them 🤔
umbral parrot
Wait, they actually do pump them! lol
tawny timber
but they still pump them 🤔
it can still be pump action
tall torrent
Heretical tech <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
If u think about it, scab captains’ void shield repel is basically heretical VoC
hollow ibex
it can still be pump action
i know, it's just kinda cursed
tawny timber
just because its box fed doesnt mean its auto
hollow ibex
not really a combo you see often IRL
tawny timber
i mean its still valid
hollow ibex
yeah i mean it's not like common sense is really a thing in 40K anyway
hollow ibex
it's whatever the fuck they want to do lol
tawny timber
well it wouldnt be very good to play against if they magdumped you
orchid nova
https://clips.twitch.tv/ElegantBashfulCheeseVoteYea
oh yeah and pay attention to Kruber's ammo count throughout
wind grotto
yeah the reason why they don't pump as fast as player shotguns do is very obvious
tawny timber
imagine lmao
orchid nova
Yeah they'd have to nerf the damage and kb
tawny timber
getting tarkov magdumped
orchid nova
at that point they'd just be like,
gunners
man does drugs, blasts an entire patrol of cahos warriors and ends up with 1 more ammo than he started with
Imagine being able to do that with kickback or double barrel
tawny timber
i love vermintide infinite ammo builds
orchid nova
It's still sorta alive
tawny timber
vermintide 2 was peak
orchid nova
I honestly just lost faith in vt2 balancing
tawny timber
It's still sorta alive
more players than darktide
orchid nova
It's minimal nerfs but
tawny timber
the premade characters are amazingly written
orchid nova
enough for me to decide y'know what, fuck this
wind grotto
you are probably in the vast minority for the character part there
wind grotto
the only upside darktide has for the character creation is that there can be two vets
orchid nova
you really don't get that in darktide
wind grotto
or etc
orchid nova
And the voices are so annoying
umbral parrot
I love the voices in Darktide~!
orchid nova
Cutthroat and Judge just sound so tryhard
umbral parrot
Ogryns still make me giggle.
tall torrent
Cutthroat and Judge just sound so tryhard
Side note, male cutthroat sounds way better with scion helmet
umbral parrot
Yea, or any voice modification. Still, love his VoC
wind grotto
I don't mind most of the voices, I just think none of the player characters actually feel like real characters
umbral parrot
They feel real enough for me.
tall torrent
it makes him muffled
It’s not the same as most other voice modulators
orchid nova
Ogryn backstory legitimately fucked
umbral parrot
Oh? Lol
arctic rampart
Side note, male cutthroat sounds **way better** with scion helmet
do any of the helmets actually change the voice? cause they don't seem to on my client
umbral parrot
Sorry but that's a big turn off.
tall torrent
do any of the helmets actually change the voice? cause they don't seem to on my...
There’s an option to turn off voice modulators’ effects
I can record voice differences in a bit
There’s a HUGE difference between base and scion helmet for cutthroat
arctic rampart
I've heard pyskers and others have it, it just never works for me
tawny timber
Sorry but that's a big turn off.
kruber is an ogryn
arctic rampart
Don't think I tried the 'sion' helmet but I tried other ones that are supposed to have it
umbral parrot
There’s a HUGE difference between base and scion helmet for cutthroat
This one has the best voice
wind grotto
you probably have them turned off or have a mod that turns them off then
tall torrent
This one has the best voice
This is same voice effect as scion helmet
It just looks 10x uglier by comparison
umbral parrot
Not even close, what the heck!?
arctic rampart
That helmet looks awful
wind grotto
I want to get the hilariously fugly voice modulator implant stuck in the mouth thing in the current pack
umbral parrot
AND MY GAME CRASHED just as i was going to record it!@
arctic rampart
Also what is this "communicating with fatshark..." I see now.. dangit
Just checked. Headgear voice effect is on so dunno
umbral parrot
Lol
See, two different voices. The only reason why i wear the ugly Arges Pattern.
Got to admit, it makes my Vet look even more hardcore tho!
stoic thorn
John Cadia
umbral parrot
Hate the Scion Voice modif. Sounds ugly.
warm vortex
How do i get the Scion Helmet
tame lodge
They put his voice inside a can 😭
warm vortex
Why
umbral parrot
Cus you did not buy it in time~!
stoic thorn
Shitty fomo shop
umbral parrot
Don't worry
warm vortex
I preordered it what do you mean?
stoic thorn
OH GOD WHY ISNT IT STOPPING THE SCION VOICES ARE STILL PLAYING
stoic thorn
I preordered it what do you mean?
Shitty fomo cosmetic store
arctic rampart
why doesnt this one do anything?
stoic thorn
It's out of rotation
warm vortex
Ah
arctic rampart
or the pot helm
warm vortex
Well
stoic thorn
See, two different voices. The only reason why i wear the ugly Arges Pattern.
THIS IS STILL PLAYING WITHOUT ME TOUCHING LMAO
warm vortex
Guess i am getting it some other day
umbral parrot
THIS IS STILL PLAYING WITHOUT ME TOUCHING LMAO
That's creepy, wtf?
umbral parrot
Guess i am getting it some other day
Good luck.
stoic thorn
HIS SPIRIT HAS INFECTED MY MACHINE SPIRIT
umbral parrot
Don't worry, Scion Helmet does not fit with anything else yet.
Lol, i bought everything Cadian related by the way. Love Cadia.
warm vortex
Same
stoic thorn
Forced to listen to Scion Vet
stoic thorn
Lol, i bought everything Cadian related by the way. Love Cadia.
I wasn't able to nab kasrdrip
warm vortex
Wait there is Kasrkin drip in this game too?
warm vortex
Let me guess also out of Rotation
warm vortex
I am grind EXP so i can unlock VoC and unlock that Armor
stoic thorn
Complete with the cadian shoulder symbol and cadia stands inscribed on the back of the shirt
You can also buy a rebreather helmet from the commisary
Which doesn't have rotation
warm vortex
Neat
stiff surge
Whelp, shredder autopistol is my last mastery. How do I make this dogshit worth something?
umbral parrot
Woah... i think i blew up Discord lol
warm vortex
I was told i should get the Recon LasGun and the Chainsword
tall torrent
See, two different voices. The only reason why i wear the ugly Arges Pattern.
Oh it is different
Scion helmet still sounds better tho
umbral parrot
NOT EVEN!
tall torrent
Nah it just does
stoic thorn
I was told i should get the Recon LasGun and the Chainsword
Any weapon can fit a cadiam
I use a Boltgun
arctic rampart
Whelp, shredder autopistol is my last mastery. How do I make this dogshit worth ...
Exchange other weapons so you don't have to do it.
tame lodge
Whelp, shredder autopistol is my last mastery. How do I make this dogshit worth ...
Blaze Away Pinning Fire
stoic thorn
If it's in the Cadian Shock Troops weapons profile, you can larp as one
stiff surge
Exchange other weapons so you don't have to do it.
Im broke from the other masteries that I couldnt bother to do, no cop outs for me lmao
arctic rampart
I dunno whats worse than shredder though. One of the shotguns?
stoic thorn
FUCK
arctic rampart
Honestly you should do like 10 or 20 missions and not use shredder
warm vortex
If Ogryns had Bolters and Chainswords all they would need next is a heavily Armoured outfit and you got yourself a Space Marine with the Downies
stoic thorn
CADIAN SHOCK TROOPS DONT USE BOLTERS
tall torrent
Wait there is Kasrkin drip in this game too?
Yes
Very buggy and glitches with some animations in first person
stoic thorn
Only cadian castellans
arctic rampart
I guess shredder can take out maniacs and gunners ok... you need carapace and horde on your melee
stiff surge
I dunno whats worse than shredder though. One of the shotguns?
Id use any of the shoties than this dinky piece of garbage lmao
tame lodge
I dunno whats worse than shredder though. One of the shotguns?
The shotguns are better than shredder
stiff surge
I mained the Kantrael for a long time
stoic thorn
If Ogryns had Bolters and Chainswords all they would need next is a heavily Armo...
Well we could but they don't survive a mission
arctic rampart
Shotguns are garbo and anyone that thinks they are good is not to be trusted.
tall torrent
CADIAN SHOCK TROOPS DONT USE BOLTERS
Inquisitorial troops can use whatever they’re given
warm vortex
But Personally i am big Fan of LasGun
stoic thorn
The ogryns main limit on weapons is that if its ogryn proofed or not
warm vortex
The Auto Guns also seem Neat
stiff surge
Shotguns are garbo and anyone that thinks they are good is not to be trusted.
Are there better options? 100%, Vet def has some meta picks, but for on off meta pick they're definitely better than others
tame lodge
Shotguns are garbo and anyone that thinks they are good is not to be trusted.
Shredder is no way in hell better than shotguns
tall torrent
The Auto Guns also seem Neat
U coming from ps5 preorder?
umbral parrot
@stoic thorn Who's John Cadia now!?
stoic thorn
<@815864616139358260> Who's John Cadia now!?
I'm robbing your account of your kasrmetics
warm vortex
U coming from ps5 preorder?
Yes
tall torrent
<@815864616139358260> Who's John Cadia now!?
Collar & cosmetic clippings be like
warm vortex
Familiarize yourself with melee combat first <:thumbsup_ogryn:106345272730218092...
Okay
I like the Shovel
But the Axe also seems neat
umbral parrot
I'm robbing your account of your kasrmetics
tall torrent
But the Axe also seems neat
Combat axes are some of veteran’s best melee weapons
stoic thorn
Also
That's just regular flak armour with kasrkin colours
Not actual kasrkin armour
umbral parrot
Shh
tall torrent
That's just regular flak armour with kasrkin colours
The heavy armor one is carapace
The lighter one is flak
umbral parrot
It's still Cadian colors
stoic thorn
I would know because I have a kill team of kasrkin
umbral parrot
Lucky Bastard!
tall torrent
<@815864616139358260> Who's John Cadia now!?
Also change ur mesh LOD settings to 1.6
Otherwise that light Cadian armor’s sleeves will have holes
umbral parrot
I hate painting
tall torrent
tall torrent
What I use
umbral parrot
Also change ur mesh LOD settings to 1.6
Otherwise that light Cadian armor’s slee...
Jokes on you, i don't know what LOD is~!
arctic rampart
Shredder is no way in hell better than shotguns
Oh for sure, shredder is trash. But so are shotguns. I guess a lot of people like the double barrel somewhat.
stoic thorn
I'd like to get the loyalist moebian armour from hestia
tall torrent
Jokes on you, i don't know what LOD is~!
Video settings, mesh LOD
tall torrent
I'd like to get the loyalist moebian armour from hestia
That’s actually easy
stoic thorn
That’s actually easy
Do I need to rob her
tall torrent
Just max masteries and play every mission in auric
Also do some class specific penances
stoic thorn
The loyalist moebian armour is the closest thing I know of Tempestus Scion armour
stoic thorn
Same colour
stoic thorn
WHAT
umbral parrot
How far back? Really?
tall torrent
If it comes out with no gloves I’m not buying
tall torrent
How far back? Really?
Like 3 months prior
umbral parrot
Dang
umbral parrot
Still not something i'm planning to wear. But.... still cool
umbral parrot
Dang
Regardless, cosmetics are cool
And THEY FINALLY added Black Power Sword
Soooooo happy about that.
tall torrent
I’m prob just gonna stick by this unless they drop some serious banger skins
Clean look
umbral parrot
No matter what i buy... the Penance update gave me the Infiltrator's tactical gear. THE BEST
tall torrent
If they drop Tanith 1st and only with a sniper cloak for veteran I might get it
umbral parrot
I really do look more like an Inquisitorial Shock Trooper than anything else.
tall torrent
Most cosmetics clip too much
tall torrent
I’m prob just gonna stick by this unless they drop some serious banger skins
This is like the 1 set where basically nothing clips
umbral parrot
I want a red armband though. To fit with my headband.
umbral parrot
I’m prob just gonna stick by this unless they drop some serious banger skins
Short sleeves.
Good luck fighting off germs with that
tall torrent
Good luck fighting off germs with that
DT characters already don’t take corruption like “normal people”
And the short sleeves are part of why this set has no clipping lmao
If the gloves / sleeves are too big / thick it clips into some weapons’ models in 1st person
umbral parrot
I never noticed... oh crap, going to now keep an eye on it lol.
tough tiger
Crack makes u immune to nurgle diseases
umbral parrot
But i just love... the smooth black unfiorm. Fits with my black Plasma Gun and Power Sword. Beautiful~!
tall torrent
But i just love... the smooth black unfiorm. Fits with my black Plasma Gun and P...
That plasma gun skin has its flask clip into every hand model ever
tall torrent
I notice this kind of stuff too fast
tall torrent
As for that black power sword skin
Just doesn’t look nearly as good as the other 2 power sword skins that came out before it
tough tiger
I notice this kind of stuff too fast
I bet u dont even notice the worm squriming around under your skin
umbral parrot
Nah, the other Power Swords look over the top. Did not buy them at all
However, black? Smooth AF
tall torrent
The metallic one is the best one
umbral parrot
Frick... i see the clipping now. Thanks
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Frick... i see the clipping now. Thanks
u could refund if u bought in last 30 days
hallow drift
I’m prob just gonna stick by this unless they drop some serious banger skins
My buddy is chewing on his desk waiting for the Cadia top to come back
Hate the rotating store that doesn’t even rotate consistently 
hallow drift
It’s sad because bringing back hot items like the Cadia and Krieg outfits would literally print them money
But some executive is just like “mmm but like, what if we got just a bit more making them wait another month”
The reality being that most casual players who might’ve dropped the cost of a sandwich on a cosmetic without any mind have burned out by the time the drip they wanted comes back
Checking the commodore’s vestiture on veteran these last couple rotations has been sad
warm vortex
Is there a Good LasGun or Autogun i should look out for for Early Level Veteran and whats a good Build i should Work towards
rigid schooner
Is there a Good LasGun or Autogun i should look out for for Early Level Veteran ...
recon lasgun MK XII and Vraks MKV infantry autogun are the meta staples, but i'd say try more odd and end things as you're grinding, so you don't burn yourself out
as for infantry lasgun, i personally don't gel with them so i can't offer much
warm vortex
recon lasgun MK XII and Vraks MKV infantry autogun are the meta staples, but i'd...
As long as i play with my Friends i can enjoy any game because the Banter is always entertaining
rigid schooner
but they're all servicable copies of the same idea in light, medium, heavy variants
vet can honestly make any of the guns you can get work
somber adder
vet can honestly make any of the guns you can get work
Autopistol
rigid schooner
though you may have to lean into certain things with your talents
rigid schooner
Autopistol <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
simply an issue of skill
somber adder
I wish
rigid schooner
also that's probably not going to be an issue for someone leveling and playing with friends
unless he gets a CBT inducing roll
tall torrent
Falter might be one of the better blessing picks for Mk7 infantry lasgun
unironically
rigid schooner
i'm trying to find that picture where someone got an autopistol with a 2% damage stat
tawny timber
unless he gets a CBT inducing roll
cognitive behavioral therapy?
rigid schooner
cool bullgryn techs
that said, with ammo regen and deeper reserves you may be able to sustain it
huh, i've never actually played with shredder on vet lol
ionic bear
dear vetters
can i get some infiltration builds that DONT use a revolver and knife
merry coral
grand perch
I have one that goes for WS with las pistol and chaxe. Too bad I'm at work rn
dry cloak
combat axe power sword
merry coral
I've never used infiltrate tbh
somber adder
dear vetters
can i get some infiltration builds that DONT use a revolver and k...
This is super fun for me
grand perch
Both these weapons have really good draw times, why the weird 1 point dip into one motion? Looks great otherwise
You could get -0.25sec stamina regen delay for that
somber adder
Fast
grand perch
(also get rid of exploit weakness it's absolutely horrible)
somber adder
I love instant blap from the shotty
grand perch
It's indistinguishable from instant without one motion anyway
somber adder
(also get rid of exploit weakness it's absolutely horrible)
That's fair. I'm coping that it helps with crushers if I run out of nades
grand perch
Yeah that build is kind of screwed if crushers keep coming but you can buy time staggering them with shotgun
warm vortex
i'm trying to find that picture where someone got an autopistol with a 2% damage...
That thing better be a absomute Laserbeam with a metric Fuckton of Ammo nearly no recoil and some Vindicator Operative Level of Accuracy and a Fire Rate of Y E S
grand perch
Alas, the autopistol is pretty much the opposite of all that
grand perch
Ammo: needs to be more
Recoil: manageable but it's braced anyway
Accuracy: lol
Fire rate: it's full auto but it needs to be fuller auto
Easily the worst weapon in vet arsenal.
tawny timber
Worst in game status
brittle turtle
This is super fun for me
Zilia told you already but get rid of exploit weakness and you can get out for blood
somber adder
Then why are you telling me again
brittle turtle
cause out for blood is GOOD
somber adder
Eh, it's okay
brittle turtle
Its spectacular, especially since you use a shotgun
somber adder
And I still need to take the toughness node instead of weakness exploit
somber adder
It's also okay but I don't want to drop my crackhead swap speed
brittle turtle
nah, you need to keep it for weapon specialist
grand perch
Not with these weapons
somber adder
Really depends on the weapons
brittle turtle
but, honestly, i'd keep the right top tree instead of middle top tree
somber adder
I just like it even faster
somber adder
but, honestly, i'd keep the right top tree instead of middle top tree
Confirmed kill is one of the best nodes in the game
You don't want to drop that
brittle turtle
It's good, but there is out for blood
I know I'm repeating, but consider, a shotgun blast into a horde ? That's between 30-40% regen instantly
somber adder
That is not even close though, the toughness regen stacks infinitely
On Confirmed kill
brittle turtle
if you were to blast 5 specialists or elites in a row, in which case you are probably already doing fine
I'm not denying confirmed kill is a very good node, but out for blood removes your need to search for those elites and specials when in critical needs
a burster removed your thoughness or a mutant slammed you ? any group of enemies will do
that's my opinion anyway, confirmed kill is a good node to keep, I'd simply value right tree more
somber adder
That's fair. I'd love to take both but you usually don't have to look for elites or specials on aurics which is where I dwell
brittle turtle
its a shame for the fireteam aura, though
but smokes being what they are, no choice
earnest bone
I'm not denying confirmed kill is a very good node, but out for blood removes yo...
confirmed kill allows you to stack like 5-10+ of those autoregen toughness stuff
which in return turns you into a terminator for a short time
brittle turtle
yeah, but you were already killing 5-10 specialists+ elites beforehand
earnest bone
out for blood would be amazing without that 1 tax point
which useful for something like Bolter
otherwise an easy skip
you are basically paying 2 points
brittle turtle
true, but you can also grab the mov speed node
its a hard life, both trees are good and fill a role
earnest bone
its a hard life, both trees are good and fill a role
meanwhile zealot
barely any choice
brittle turtle
stamina or mov speed ? thoughness and regen on specials/elites or thoughness on hordes ? Swap speed or more thoughness protection ? hard choices
brittle turtle
yeah, zealot tree is even more stuck to the same nodes
Ogryn and psykers have some good diversity
austere mica
Zealot is just stuck to the 2 forever
brittle turtle
I mean, if you give a 50% thoughness protection on crit, on a class with lots of crits, you bet people are gonna build around it
austere mica
Ignoring Second Wind is a choice
brittle turtle
you can get both
brittle turtle
Zealot has so much damage reduction it almost feels like they cant die anyway
grand perch
They get knocked down, but they get up again
austere mica
Zealot has so much damage reduction it almost feels like they cant die anyway
~80% fully stacked without Marty
I have a build that runs all the TDR you can take
brittle turtle
stalwart for ease of use too
round geyser
Heh you know the veterans remind me of when they are shooting into an ogryns fat ass
Chivalry 2 archers always shooting their teammates
warm vortex
That to a point sounds like me
And my Friend
Cause i play Vet and he plays Ogryn and he always runs into the Enemies with Melee and always ends up infront of me and i always end up shooting him between 1 to 3 times
junior grail
Anyone getting Back End errors?
analog mural
you modding?
backend error was a common issue with weapon custom and a couple other mods because of a new dependancy they require called master items
could also be that your mod loader needs updating
clever hedge
Average vet main dumping all spare ammo from scavenger into ogrynz like Grendel intended
heavy rover
If it's anything less than the whole mag, are you really a vet?
untold mulch
luckily bullets not pierce allies
so as long as there is something behind the ogryn
is sending an statement to the Ogryn AND also doing its job
grand perch
Bullets do go through teammates though
frail skiff
So does vet get anything for the December 3rd update?
grand perch
No and that's okay
frail skiff
Would of been the perfect time for the helgun, but okay
sullen jackal
Cause i play Vet and he plays Ogryn and he always runs into the Enemies with Mel...
ask your friend politely to crouch while swinging in melee