veteran-class

[tall torrent]

IX and VII are 3/shot
IIb is 2/shot

[drowsy aspen]

At least in the past

Hehe

...The latest game I played on Vet was actually an Auric Maelstrom with Executioner's Stance

But I was running recon

I think I'm a shockingly good vet considering I'm bad at everything a vet should be good at

Teehee

[drowsy aspen]

What's the Ia?

[tall torrent]

VII

[drowsy aspen]

...they changed it?

Hell naw!

Why?

[grand perch]

Tzeenzchian corruption

[drowsy aspen]

Gotta be

Ia is so perfect

That means it's like... the lasgun

This is the gun the guard uses

[tawny timber]

i love infantry lasgun

i hate lasgun ammo counter

infantry lasgun hates mice

RIP my corsair glaive

[placid portal]

I dont like how the lasgun jolts up every shot

Thought it had no recoil

[dry cloak]

Gameplay reasons

[regal belfry]

recon the light toy gun

[dry cloak]

Also lasguns beam has some serious energy in it

[placid portal]

At least we have 2 wounds I guess

[dry cloak]

And physics work unless youre in the warp

[dry cloak]

Plus one wound curio

[placid portal]

Warhammer meta will crash if guardsmen get TWO WOUNDS

[dry cloak]

Catachan laugh at you

[placid portal]

Wot

[dry cloak]

I dont know tabletop stats

So you know

[placid portal]

Same

[dry cloak]

Army of rambos or something

Remember devil claws are catachan knives

But rest calls them swords

[placid portal]

Some aussie logic

[dry cloak]

Yeah

Catachan is space australia placed in amazon rainforest

But cranked to 50000000

[rigid schooner]

and super high gravity which is why they're all super tall because they're just that badass

[ionic bear]

tbf devil claws are the BIGGESt knives the catachan has

[dry cloak]

Still smaller that ogryn knives

Also where big machete that ogryns have on tabletop

[merry coral]

I just saw a post on reddit, and

46 DEATHS ???

[dry cloak]

Skipping revives on bound teammates counts as death

[placid portal]

But still

46 deaths is alot of deaths

[worldly plover]

acceptable losses

[placid portal]

True, only ~ 300 point value worth of troops

We can use reinforce to get them back

Ogryns, Psykers, and Zealots on the otherhand are much more expensive

[grand perch]

Remember guard in 5e having that Valhallan commander that allowed you to put any eliminated conscript squad back on the board for free? It was dogshit but they had the right spirit

[dry cloak]

Necromancy

[grand perch]

Send in the next wave

🌊

[heady trout]

Veteran players, i pulled a 80/80/80/60 (charge rate)/80 plasma gun, is there any reason not to build it vs trying to roll the 69% thermal and 71% charge rate version if i dont have millions spare

[merry coral]

You'll be fine

maybe later when you'll have more money you could roll for an other one

but really, you'lle be absolutely fine for the time being

[heady trout]

its like 0.1sec difference or something in charge so i figured probably fine for now, im only just entering auric and normal dam maelstroms

[grand perch]

You'll be fine

[undone jungle]

That's fine. A lot of people go for this. I usually recommend people to get a 70/70 because they're less uncommon than the elusive 69/71

The reason 69 is the desired number is because you do not gain any extra shots over 69

Every point over 69 thermal eff. is effectively not utilised as all as other stats

[heady trout]

thats good to know, thank you

[frank ledge]

Better yet

don't get a plasma and wait for fatshark to fix this mess

so you don't have to deal with decimal bs

[tiny summit]

Yea the differences you get for being an absolute min maxxer isnt really important

[covert dagger]

So on the Lucius pattern guns, is a higher charge rate a quicker one or a slower one?

[tiny summit]

Higher charge is quicker

[covert dagger]

Gotcha.

[tiny summit]

All stats are "number go up is good" unless you have some fixation on playing around with psyker warp resistance and plasma gun thermal resistance

[covert dagger]

Defs not. I just actually asked on the psyker channel how I can level one to 30 for the achievement and call it good. Same with knife builds. I just don't like playing those.

[tiny summit]

Dump stat on lucius is stability (gun doesnt kick for its use case) and ammo (gun is incredibly ammo efficient)

[covert dagger]

I made charge mine. I like doing well placed and measured shots.

Once you start getting a feel for them all these guns can really cater to the individual player. Especially now that we can swap between marks!

[frank ledge]

Fellow plasma gamblers

How goes the grind?

3 mil?

[dry niche]

I pulled a second 69/71 only for it to be converted to a 70/70 again

[frank ledge]

I hate decimals
I hate decimals
I hate decimals

Just remember if you have a lot of melk coin you can buy yellows

to get more dockets to gamble

[dry niche]

I dont want to waste melk coins in case they eventually make them useful

[frank ledge]

They are useful for the other gambling

curios

[dry niche]

I have reverse sunk cost fallacy

[placid portal]

Me hoarding Melk bucks but forgot how you spend them

[proven cargo]

Rate the tree

[spice ferry]

Beautiful and useless 🙂

[frank ledge]

[merry coral]

I just passed out

[grand perch]

Perfection

Symmetrical as all things should be

[analog yacht]

average quickplay vet

just throw in perma mag dumping plasma/bolter and scooping all the ammo

[tidal mango]

Is the revive on VoC worth taking in any build anyway?

[merry coral]

nooooooooooo

[analog yacht]

the problem with revive shout in v2 was always that "taking the thp and using it before someone goes down is always better" and that's also true here

[tidal mango]

I have never seen anybody use it

[tidal mango]

True

[analog yacht]

like lowk even if revive shout didn't increase cooldown I still wouldn't take it

it's just a grief way to use shout

[merry coral]

and most of the time the stagger/stun from shout gives you enough time to rez

[tidal mango]

Man and I just love the voicelines from VoC

[vivid silo]

There are a few niché uses, but nothing that inexperienced users need to worry about

[pseudo fiber]

Revive shout has a small place in the versus meta

But that's it lol

[grand perch]

What little uses it has comes from being able to revive through walls or when you can't get on the victims ledge or something

[steady wolf]

Does born leader still give your team toughness even if yours is full?

[grand perch]

Yep

[vivid silo]

Just use a Poxburster explosion to jump up the ledge

[grand perch]

Barrel surfing

[vivid silo]

So many ways!

I guess a Flamer could work too now?

If you time the jump

[short fern]

which power sword is the more popular mark?

[analog yacht]

i think mk6?

I might be recalling wrong since I don't run PS but i'm pretty sure it's mk6

it is kinda just a light attack machine though

[crimson wyvern]

why am I jumping instead of dodging so much as specifically veteran?

do they have dogwater dodge eff?

it'd explain so much

[grand perch]

It is recommended to bind jumping to a different key... But I never did myself

[short fern]

I'm fairly certain I've completed "make every shot count" several times, wish I could see my accuracy stat at the end of the mission

[undone jungle]

I recommend binding jump separately to dodge. Many people use alt to jump and space to dodge only

I use alt to crouch so I use ctrl to jump

You very rarely jump in DT so it's worth doing

[white minnow]

vet's dodge cooldown is longer than the other two human classes so the timings will be off
but yeah, do the keybinding thing that they're suggesting

[visual badge]

rate this mess

[short fern]

its actually worse than my builds

[grand perch]

It's got iron will so it's automatically viable

[short fern]

how do peopole post the full tree like that anwyays

[gritty furnace]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

Just zoom out and take a snippet

[last pewter]

could use more cowbell/10

[gritty furnace]

Remember! it's the skills that carry, not the weapons

[grand perch]

Related thought, crushers should wear cowbells

[gritty furnace]

10 pickups

[short fern]

this is pretty much what I use https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d94f88d-bf6b-47ab-a847-1d2be0c39fcf/dirtyman

not meta by any means

[visual badge]

whats with people taking survivalist

[short fern]

could probably get rid of grenadier for iron will and superiority complex but I like the extra nade a lot

[visual badge]

it's really not that worth it

[ocean idol]

Is there much point in having power sword with agile engage + Weapon spec?

[short fern]

I find it's a relatively good team wide buff, especially if 2 veterans have it stacked

on it's own for just the player it's pretty meh yes

[dire olive]

I don't think it stacks

[visual badge]

thing is you can have psyker with not needing ammo

I don't think it stacks either way

it's only 1% over 5 second cooldown

[short fern]

oh well it's pretty meh then

idk 5% toughness is meh too

[visual badge]

damage would be way better because everyone has a melee and you don't really use guns agaisnt hordes

and I do feel like it'd be better to go fire team because if you're going voice of command

you'd keep some points

[dire olive]

5% damage affects like zero breakpoints

[short fern]

good point

[visual badge]

still feel like 1% ammo over 5 second cooldown will not change much

[dire olive]

I think it adds up

[visual badge]

maybe I'm just too trigger happy, never felt like survivalist ever helped me in the instance it procs

and if it does, it's usually another veteran

[dire olive]

I still think that's better than 5% damage that 99% of the time won't change your shots to kill

[somber adder]

Survivalist is really nice for ammo hungry builds

[gritty furnace]

survivalist with an ammo hungry ogryn team helps

[short fern]

ironically recon lasgun with shock trooper I find myself not needing it

[visual badge]

yes like recon lasgun, it really doesnt need it

considering how much ammo you get back from ammo boxes

and shock trooper saves taht ammo

[short fern]

most fun build just ammo dumping

[somber adder]

Survivalist also "stacks" in the sense that only one survivalist goes on cooldown when triggered so the next survivalist can trigger on the next kill if the first one is still on cooldown

[last pewter]

I dont understand, is that party wide or per Vet?

[short fern]

I thought only the vet themself triggers it

[visual badge]

you and allies

[short fern]

so wouldn't 2 vets trigger their own cooldowns and provide ammo team wide?

[visual badge]

so its anyone who kills within the aura

[last pewter]

anyone in coherency

[short fern]

ah ok

[visual badge]

still hard to argue that using a point to go +5% reload speed to get to voice of command

when I could use that point for maybe smth better

unironically

I think field improv is better spent

than survivalist

[somber adder]

Field improv is great but not comparable to survivalist

They give you two very different things

[visual badge]

you could use that point to pick it up though

[somber adder]

I'd just drop chink in their armor at that point

10% conditional rending isn't gonna do shit

[last pewter]

callback when that talent used to set off the automod

good times

[visual badge]

yeah I agree

chink in the armor could be used somewhere else

[somber adder]

Idk, I just feel like Survivalist is the only aura that is actually noticeable for Vet to have. It also enables you to take Get back in the fight which I value a lot

[queen fox]

For me it's either ammo or movespeed aura

[grand perch]

Just go through whatever is the cheapest aura, only go to other auras if you know you really need it. Like 5% damage to reach certain breakpoints

Or no ammo maelstrom

[queen fox]

But 5% movespeed

Mobility is always good in any videogame

[radiant chasm]

5% movespeed is always more for agile engagement

[somber adder]

5% MS aura tax is for weapon specialist fun

[radiant chasm]

Mobility isn’t that good in normal pub aurics, teammates won’t make use of it and most of the time all the enemies are coming to you, not vice versa

For true duos/true solos, sure

Or speedrunning premades

[queen fox]

My teammates might not use it but I will

[ocean idol]

laspistol seems to comically large

[untold mulch]

It kinda is

and the game already scales downs most weapons

[thorn lark]

Until you have to clutch. But yeah, you gain nothing by leaving the pubs behind.

[ocean idol]

What are the best blessings for las pistol?

You did say that concentrated fire is bad? @tall torrent

thinking dum-dum + desperado

[grand perch]

i mean his name literally informs you to look up the guide

[untold mulch]

Personally, the Laspistol wants that crit + shocktrooper

could get some silly amount of shots without reloading

shame they tweaked the rate of fire

[radiant chasm]

I find my build is very good at not getting to the point of clutching

[ocean idol]

I do not ask him ab out blessings, i ask him about conc fire being bad

[thorn lark]

Weapon specialist helps make the shit mobility of the p-sword/chainaxe bearable

[radiant chasm]

Bistol nader, throw frags constantly, pick off specials and elites

[somber adder]

What a round about way of saying your build sucks so much you always die first

[radiant chasm]

That’s an odd assumption

I just don’t die

[ocean idol]

What weapon spec has to do with mobility?

[somber adder]

I am kiddddding

[radiant chasm]

Hi kidding i’m autistic

[somber adder]

Nice to meet you

[ocean idol]

reeee i want needle pistol

[thorn lark]

It has hidden buffs to dodge distance and refresh IIRC

[thorn lark]

Sometimes you just cannot save the 2 or 3 low levels trying auric...

[somber adder]

Not hidden. It gives 10% dodge speed and distance

Is there an actualy dodge refresh buff tied to it?

[analog mural]

probably thinking of ij

[thorn lark]

Yes

[radiant chasm]

I mean, this is probably my highest winrate build, especially if i swap shovel for knife or duelist sword

It is ridic consistent and throwing nades at every problem with the amount of auric elites

[somber adder]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-hand-out-give-me-orangutan-give-me-hand-out-mine-gif-27199184

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress-spam-dustbowl-spawn-gif-20281790

[thorn lark]

Yeah IJ has hidden buffs. It's clearly mentioned for ws

[visual badge]

duelling sword is so op it's not even funny

[somber adder]

Gimme the build I wanna

[visual badge]

who thought it was good idea to give it to any other class

[thorn lark]

Use 5 or 2. Be a hipster

[ocean idol]

Is headhunter any good?

[dawn valve]

Finally got on overwatch completed lets go

[ocean idol]

the weapon

[thorn lark]

Bad against maniacs

[visual badge]

grats, took me a while as well

[dawn valve]

yea took me a hot minute to get but finally got it so i don't need to worry anymore

[visual badge]

now to do every other penance

[short fern]

It’s honestly hilarious how strong vet is with it

[merry coral]

Well, bad news, there's the Untouchable one also

[dawn valve]

yep gotta focus on armourbane lmao

[visual badge]

almost done with every veteran penance as well

[grand perch]

still trying to find out what IJ is an abbreviation of

[visual badge]

then it's just finishing 100 missions

[merry coral]

On Overwatch is not taking any melee damage, Untouchable is not taking damage. At all (on health still).

[clever hedge]

Run all the grenade regin possible. It helps

[short fern]

I’m getting mad because I keep thinking I did the 90% accuracy penance and I never get it. Idk what I’m missing

[visual badge]

run the revolver, use all ammo and then just focus melee

[dawn valve]

i got most of my vet specific penances done as of now besides the ability ones i believe

[visual badge]

and don't take survivalist lol

[clever hedge]

Or plasma

[dawn valve]

oh i wanna do that as well

[merry coral]

you can take survivalist

[visual badge]

you shouldn't imo

[short fern]

I did that with boltgun and still didn’t get it. I swear up and down I landed my shots I don’t get it

[dawn valve]

i used a shotgun and it worked first time

[visual badge]

you need to have no ammo

[merry coral]

just empty you weapon, and when at 0, don't switch

I've done it that way

[dawn valve]

double barrel

[merry coral]

cause I was lazy and I didn't want to change my build lmao

[short fern]

I guess I can’t miss with a double barrel

[visual badge]

should have no ammo remaining, so 0/0 no?

[clever hedge]

Exactly

[merry coral]

I had 16 bullets at the end because of survivalist, but since I didn't switch, it counted

[dawn valve]

yeah and aim down sights shoots both shells so you use twice the rounds for the same accuracy percentage

[short fern]

Good idea I’m going to try after work

[radiant chasm]

i'm going to make a gameslanter post

[dawn valve]

you should first try with it and i got it

[merry coral]

But yeah ofc survivalist is useless in that case

tho you never know if you're gonna end up with an other vet in your game running it. Just know that it doesn't affect the penance

[dawn valve]

just dont use your ability lmao

[leaden skiff]

Man my inner Old Man is fist shaking at the clouds and croaking about "back in my day when penances were brutal" the no hit run being so close but getting chipped by a dog with a hit box the size of an ogryn that jumped by to get your buddy

[somber adder]

Thanks

[radiant chasm]

i have 2 identical builds besides one goes survivalist and oned oesn't

so i can swap in lobby to the dmaage one if another vet has ammo aura

[merry coral]

Damn

You're smart

I mean, fr that's a good idea

[cyan verge]

damn it

do I really need thermal 69% charge 71%

[merry coral]

No

[cyan verge]

I am settling for this then

[merry coral]

Unless you absolutely, Really, REALLY, need to min max the gun

[cyan verge]

I probably don't

[somber adder]

If a minmax screecher is gonna yell at you you can always claim "woops, mixed up the numbers hehe" so this is perfect

[merry coral]

All good then

[cyan verge]

true

silly me I got mixed up

[merry coral]

That's genius hahaha

[ocean idol]

you clearly have not seen zealot

because zealot with DS probably the strongest thing there is in the game currently

[cyan verge]

it is still very very good on veteran

[radiant chasm]

it was really good on psyker

[somber adder]

Vet actually has an easier time hitting breakpoints with it than Zealot

[merry coral]

Ds is arguably better on vet

[somber adder]

^

[thorn lark]

@radiant chasm what's your opinion on the talents that give you toughness or stamina back with ws? I used them with exec stance

[merry coral]

Still boring tho

[grand perch]

man the amount of people who dont seem to get you need to GO GO GO on rolling steel in auric is too damn high

[radiant chasm]

i don't use either

[ocean idol]

I don't like rolling steel

Tox bombers make some sections pretty much impossible without shield/vet shout

[merry coral]

Rolling still with a good team is a blast and nice rush of adrenaline

[grand perch]

stopping to shoot singular shotgunners on some platform instead of jus trunning past

[grand perch]

true enough

[ocean idol]

Good team?

What is this

[clever hedge]

Ya people got to used to playing auric hypersafe. You got to sprint the whole mission

[ocean idol]

some kind of dish?

[analog mural]

I think the only sub-talent for ws that is worth it is the ammo one

[visual badge]

good team?

[merry coral]

It's my rock band name

[visual badge]

you mean auric storm players that leave within 1 second of being downed

[clever hedge]

The salt is real

[merry coral]

I mean leavers do be annoying

[somber adder]

The trash is taking itself out

I just hate that you get a substitute bot

Just have the bot spawn downed please

[merry coral]

It's gonna be so fun after the patch, seeing leavers joining again and being downed as a result

[ocean idol]

Why lol

Shitter being replaced with bot did save a couple of runs for me

[short fern]

Saaame

[merry coral]

Same but it does feel a bit cheesy

[somber adder]

Cause that is lame to me. I hate "saving" a run we should have lost due to a bot clutching a revive

[short fern]

I like it when the fresh bot is immediately replaced with a fresh backfill

[somber adder]

It always feels cheap and not rewarding but I don't leave teammates who keep playing behind so it is what it is

[merry coral]

and I'm not a fan of ppl leaving when I'm clutching. First, trust me (I probably won't survive but still), and, well, I don't want a bot "helping" me

[somber adder]

"DON'T WORRY I GOT THIS" I say in vc as I am being chased by 15 crushers and 2 BoN as gunker without ammo

[merry coral]

hahahahaha

[somber adder]

I used to think Chaos Spawn are the most annoying boss but I think the beast even changed my mind

At least you can kill Chaos Spawn rather quickly

[merry coral]

It was like, 2 days ago I had to clutch on my vet, there was a boss, cruchers, ragers etc, lot's of thing. Dude in chat kept telling me "rez us"

dude

buzy atm

[somber adder]

Bon's are just a constant pressure that is super hard to take out if you have other stuff to do

[merry coral]

OOOOH

[somber adder]

Devblog time

[arctic rampart]

anyone remember what the name of the mod that fixes weapon switch is called? I've finally had enough of darktide's shit servers not registering my key presses...

[radiant chasm]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d951862-e663-41eb-bc41-9b24c5290932/pro-autism-frag-bistoler

[merry coral]

"I’ve noticed Veterans haven’t received a weapon this patch. Will we be left hungry?
Veterans won’t be left out for too long.

They’ll be receiving more next year."

[radiant chasm]

bistol one shots all human elites and specialists besides mauler and mutant

[merry coral]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/331

[untold mulch]

"next year"

So, like April?

[merry coral]

2024 is almost done tho

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I ain't installing again

[merry coral]

oh god 2024 is almost done

[untold mulch]

Painful, I know

I blinked

year over

[faint beacon]

Absolutely fucking obliterated 🚬

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/nagase-yuka-calendar-vtuber-riot-music-month-gif-1484519726524069186

[crimson wyvern]

the veteran that runs off to continue pulling future hordes instead of helping with the boss

im going to fucking cry

[tall torrent]

yea
drops all stacks on non-weakspot hit or missed shot

[thick bear]

Don't worry, Vet mains upset about no new toys will be getting a complimentary weapon this patch:

[radiant chasm]

perfect weapon for veteran-crybaby class

[thick bear]

It has a secret voiceline for VoC, "WHERE NEW WEAPON"

[visual badge]

veteran should get a kolibri pistol

[merry coral]

I'm fine waiting

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-vs-aliens-jello-me-showing-big-chungus-memes-to-my-friends-gif-22368570

Me showing off my cool swords that the Vets don’t have

[rain badger]

[merry coral]

I'll play with the new toys on zealot and psyker anyway

[frank basin]

aren't you also vet main?

[rain badger]

Volkite pistol when

[frank basin]

too heavy

minature one not sure about if that exist

[grand perch]

also dumdum ghost and desperado are just really damn good

[untold mulch]

Is been I think more than a year since Catfish said we deserved a Hellgun as a treat 😔

Can't have kark on the Imperium

[serene bough]

id rather get a melta before a helgun

[worn walrus]

don't worry guys we will get something next year

[serene bough]

recon currently fits the helgun role for the time being

[somber adder]

I don't know much about human shovels but doesn't the Mk1 have a really good push attack?

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

[somber adder]

I should specify, high damage vs armor push attack

Comparatively to the rest of the weapon anyway

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

[somber adder]

[untold mulch]

Timeskip December 2025¨

[worn walrus]

the way i just know they said that and meant it literally. D:

[wind grotto]

it's certainly not going to be very quickly into 2025, also I can't wait for it to be like some stupid mundane bullshit again after zealot and psyker got interesting 40k shit for once

[pseudo fiber]

Melta gun

Power fist

Hot shot

Long las

Like we'll get something cool

[still flare]

autogun #37 that is strictly worse than columnus 😄

[true trellis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1310998828329209946/unnamed.gif?ex=6747424d&is=6745f0cd&hm=359eb8031be45998ec9310a9911f8f8dcb88d5b49b262037fcdf65ec159d2bee&

[wind grotto]

yeah there are a lot of things that would fit vet they could add, but also what if they just added a new autogun or headhunter autogun pistol

[agile forge]

Small pickaxe

[serene bough]

id like more mobility weapons

something of similar movespeed to knife or less

[bronze trout]

I didn't expect a good excuse for vets not getting a weapon but I did expect some kind of excuse

[bleak tendon]

Womp womp

[serene bough]

im ok with no weapons for now

oggy and psyker could use more variety

[wind grotto]

oh I think ogryn needs like

at least two more melee and ranged for sure

and psyker needs fucking staves

[worn walrus]

I just recenttly 30'd all the other classes and the ogryn needs way more like you guys are saying

[bleak tendon]

They literally said “we will elaborate on this in a future dev blog” just to say “yeah nah you guys getting nothing rn lmao”

that is so funny

[worn walrus]

This whole time I was like well, at least we will share the power sword

[queen fox]

Lmfao

[wind grotto]

yeah the relic sword not being shared between zealot and vet is at least a little bit weird if vet isn't getting anything

[somber adder]

Vet has the best weapon variety in the game, let the others eat

[queen fox]

Vet and zealot should share both power swords tbh

Psyker has force swords

[somber adder]

Meanwhile Ogryn is suffering with Paul

[worn walrus]

same same, but different

[wind grotto]

ogryn really really needs like a power fist or power claw

[serene bough]

so many ogryn melee seem like garbage

maybe the mk4 krourk and pickaxe are the best ones I think, everything else is kinda mid

[bronze trout]

Like yeah I know, I'm super disappointed or anything but they kept saying we'll elaborate in upcoming blog which turned out to be literally nothing

[somber adder]

Cause they are, comparatively

Shield and pickaxes are so much better than the others it's not even funny

[serene bough]

oh yeah shield, duh

how could i forget

[wind grotto]

the folding shovel is okay to use also

but the other 3 are uh basically worthless in comparison

[somber adder]

It's just exceptionally outclassed by the branx

Higher damage without the animation lock

[pseudo fiber]

I can live for a few months without a weapon

Such is the penance for playing the coolest class in the game

[wind grotto]

it just seems weird when they were making more weapons available to everyone in the last patch and then nope more exclusives

[analog yacht]

can't wait to get a new vet weapon and it's just super mid

[stray storm]

“New weapon next year
Most Vets:

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[wind grotto]

I just want more actual 40k shit which at least this next patch will have

[frank monolith]

huh

that new

or being added?

[wind grotto]

thats the two handed force sword

[long basin]

Tbf people have been asking for hellgun or longlas since the game came out.

[wind grotto]

that will be out with the next update

[true trellis]

3rd december my friend

force gs just a week away

[analog yacht]

we'll get long las and the revolver is still just better

[frank monolith]

only for pyskers right

[frank monolith]

[wind grotto]

yeah I think longlas just won't fit because it will just be worse than the revolver/bolter/plasma

[wind grotto]

only psykers can use force weapons so yes

[frank monolith]

can it be used on other weapons that pysker can equip or is it exclusive to force sword

[analog yacht]

so far zealot is the only one with 2h weapons, yeah?

[pseudo fiber]

Both is good I want both.
I was worried with secrets of the machine god we'd only get shared weapons from now on.

[analog yacht]

i mean i guess aside from psyker getting great fs

[prisma vessel]

Ogryn has Pickaxes.

[true trellis]

zealots get a banging 2h power sword

vets get NOTHING

[queen fox]

Veteran already has some of the best weapons

[wind grotto]

look forward to the new vet weapon, when they bring the human power maul to psyker and vet early next year

[analog yacht]

hey as long as psyker's don't get more staff powercreep I'm happy

[prisma vessel]

Now ya know how it is to be an ogryn for half the updates smh

[true trellis]

This is why i don't play vet or ogryn

Or psyker or zealot actually i don't have any free time to play anymore

😢

[somber adder]

Salty vet tears are very nutritious

[wind grotto]

I don't think anyone is crying about it here, we'll be salty when the next weapons are out and vet gets something boring though

[visual badge]

brother vet has duelling sword

just use that, nothing else needed

[worn walrus]

boo this guy

[visual badge]

one shot ragers to the head with just normal heavy attack

it's not even funny

[analog yacht]

i kinda prefer rashad at this point

[wind grotto]

yes we all know it's busted, a lot of us will find it super boring to use though

[analog yacht]

you at least have to think a little bit

and it has a higher ceiling

[wind grotto]

I prefer rashad or the power swords

[analog yacht]

like it's still ez mode

[visual badge]

rashad is fun

[analog yacht]

power swords are boring

[visual badge]

I'd say devil's claw is also undervalued

[analog yacht]

special action > light attack 3 times > loop forever

[merry coral]

Ds is better than rashad, but rashad is funnier

(and still op)

(ish)

[analog yacht]

ds has better single target and safety but rashad is better at everything else

[merry coral]

big overheard slash > poky poke poke

[queen fox]

Ds5>ds4, I agree

2 dodge stats is better than 1

[analog yacht]

idk I guess ds has better stagger too bc of the special poke

but rashad horde clear and mixed horde is leagues above ds

[hollow ibex]

lol nah

[merry coral]

lol ye

[hollow ibex]

i think rashad is actually a bit better

but both are overtuned af

[merry coral]

that we do agree

[analog yacht]

rashad has a higher skill ceiling

[tall torrent]

I think veteran needs more melee weapon variety ngl

[analog yacht]

ds4 you can just afk wins

[worn walrus]

it's like using 1887 akimbos

[queen fox]

Rashad deals a bit more dmg overall, but ds is far far easier to use and is much more mobile and survivable

[tall torrent]

I don’t mean new weapons, I want older weapons to be better

[wind grotto]

I think vet has good variety in choice they just need to make the chain weapons not feel like shit to actually rev

and etc

[analog yacht]

path gets it

[frank monolith]

im waiting for a plasma shotgun of some variant but for now im content with vets db

[analog yacht]

how is a chainsaw sword so garbage lmao

[queen fox]

Chainsaws are not very good for cutting through armor or meat 40k only has them because rule of cool is a rule of physics in-canon

[hollow ibex]

problem with chain weapons is that you have to really pick between the chain aspect or the weapon aspect, and it just never quite works out

[wind grotto]

I think the way they did the special action just sucks on them

[visual badge]

theyre good for horde clearing

that's about it

[thick bear]

Vets on 12:00am, January 2nd, 2025

[radiant chasm]

I don’t think chsword is garbage i think its just been power crept

It’s still a great chaff clearer

And rev’d attacks are much better now than at launch

[analog yacht]

"kills trash" isn't a real role

[clever hedge]

Is there some secret strat to the Rashad? Have tried several builds and it always feels akin to swinging dark souls axes

[radiant chasm]

I mean, if it is the fastest trash killer, that is something

[hollow ibex]

look at how it's set up in the guide in the pins, follow that. then spam lmb and profit

[radiant chasm]

And besides power sword which is just better than it sadly

[tall torrent]

I got slower clear vs 50 pox compared to Rashad

I never got similar results to exhil’s numbers

[elder fiber]

Maybe rashad and ds aren't good points of comparison

[tall torrent]

Chainsword is at like 10.4s smth

Rashad is 7.5s

[radiant chasm]

Lets do combat blade comparisons

[analog yacht]

heavy sword also has good horde clear but does other things

and it's just mid tier

[orchid hemlock]

Hang on time to take out the Bonkinator

[radiant chasm]

I don’t think if something is below the meta it makes it bad

It has to be like shredder or prebuff crusher

To be bad

[tall torrent]

I wish there was something half as good as Rashad but there kind of just isn’t

[analog yacht]

heavy sword is off-meta

[wind grotto]

I just think if something is basically only good at killing trash that it's objectively bad

[analog yacht]

chainsword is actually straight bad

[elder fiber]

Its not lol

[analog yacht]

you're coping

[merry coral]

It's not good

[radiant chasm]

The issue is power creep not that itself is weak

[elder fiber]

Idk what "bad" constitutes here

[radiant chasm]

More bruisers, more elites, at the same time

[tall torrent]

I was trying Antax and I realized smth that always throws me off about that axe

[analog yacht]

"outclassed in every metric by other weapons"

[radiant chasm]

Chsword falls off

[hollow ibex]

power sword

[elder fiber]

Go compare it it shit like non-mk4 cleaver

[tall torrent]

Antax doesn’t have light atk cancel into PA

It irks me so much holy shit

[rain badger]

Rashad > Antax

[tall torrent]

I know

[rain badger]

[tall torrent]

Antax has a bunch of cool things going on and I wanted to try it

[analog yacht]

i hope they make d.claw better. the parry is so cool but it's just so hard to justify taking with how little damage it does

[tall torrent]

Then I realized nobody ever talked about the light atk cancel property

[rain badger]

Antax at release was good because Rashad was busted and didn’t prioritize headshots

[hollow ibex]

yes dclaw buff when

[visual badge]

what do you think is stored in these pouches

[rain badger]

I Never do light attack cancels so I don’t know benefits from them

[radiant chasm]

My experience leveling chsword 1-20 mastery is that it’s a completely fine weapon that gets me killstreak responses from teammates

[merry coral]

Cheese

[radiant chasm]

It’s main weakness is just multiple elites

[analog yacht]

its main weakness is when you need to kill anything besides trash

[radiant chasm]

Which is bad for the meta

[analog mural]

BEANS

[wind grotto]

replacement teeth for the chainsaw maybe

[radiant chasm]

It kills bruisers fine it just falls off compared to other weapons

[merry coral]

Or oil

Well, Grease

[analog yacht]

replacement bag straps

[radiant chasm]

Some weapons dont have good horde clear but they dont get stuck on dense bruiser packs either

Like mk4 chainaxe

[merry coral]

Genius

[analog yacht]

yeah i mean chaxe is better than chsword but that's clearing a low bar

[radiant chasm]

I think chsword is one good buff away from being a great choice

Because of it’s crit interaction

[tall torrent]

this is what I meant with light atk cancel into PA
Antax has to wait for the whole light atk animation to finish to be able to PA

[radiant chasm]

(Chsword crit damage doesn’t fall off as it cleaves)

[wind grotto]

if they ever make the special action not feel like utter dogshit to use or just make it a slower swing that does bleed+ extra rending or something it might easily become great

[radiant chasm]

So getting into the weapon spec side of the tree i felt pretty good with it ngl

[analog yacht]

trash clearing will never be a niche worth specializing in

[radiant chasm]

I dont think the special action is dogshit

Like it was

[analog yacht]

like even the flamethrower shit has the upside of clearing the trash out of mixed hordes

[wind grotto]

oh it's better, but it's still dogshit

[analog yacht]

but csword can't even do that

[radiant chasm]

Would a buff not fix that lol

[wind grotto]

it's a bad animation lock to do less damage than even non meta weapons on most targets you would want to use it on

[radiant chasm]

Like any size able buff it’s going to start mulching bruisers

[tall torrent]

I think chainsword needs a good single target moveset outside of rev attack
And probably better stagger (?) to fight ragers

[serene bough]

I think chain weapons and their rev attacks inadvertently suffer from the sheer volume of enemies in higher difficulties

[radiant chasm]

Yea i will say i am slightly biased

[analog yacht]

channeled melee attacks are a meme yeah

[radiant chasm]

Being the chaxe mk4 main

[serene bough]

Getting a rev 1hko on something like a rager doesn't matter when there's 10 of them

[radiant chasm]

And that doesn’t use rev’d heavies often since the light spam does similar dos safer

[analog yacht]

at least long charged pickaxe or something as the advantage of like, not self stunning you during the chargeup

[radiant chasm]

Should be like shovel or something, the damage is all backloaded

When it should be frontloaded or constant

[white minnow]

could bump up the damage on the overheads

[radiant chasm]

So the enemy dies and you can reset

[radiant chasm]

Overheads and the stabs

[tall torrent]

I think better single target outside of rev attack would go a long way

[analog yacht]

I'd say that they should rework revved csword to just give a bunch of cleave + cleave damage but that's just psword

[tall torrent]

Because CS mk4 has L1 > [PA > L4 > L1] combo

It just doesn’t do a lot

[wind grotto]

I think the rev should just change the moveset or something instead of making you do a really slow hit

[analog yacht]

that'd be cool

[wind grotto]

like it feels cool to use it while you sidestep a mutant or etc but it just feels like ass to use if there are 6+ ragers or a bunch of crushers or etc

[tall torrent]

I also don’t think the rev attacks are nearly enough damage for the amount of commitment they require

[elder fiber]

mk13 rev is def too slow for no real reason

[analog yacht]

i think the rev attack could kill a crusher and it'd still be dubious at the current speed

[tall torrent]

I think rev atk damage needs to be like

At least 2x of what it is rn

[serene bough]

Rev attacks dont do enough damage against the targets it should matter against

Its decent against unyielding but not enough

[analog yacht]

at higher difficulties you're not standing there and channeling a full rev without getting overheaded or something

[wind grotto]

if you tapped special action and the chain weapon switched to all overheads that were slower for rending that mattered or something it might be fine

[serene bough]

And cara has nothing

[grand perch]

(also they should split their damage to each tick no one huge tick at the end)

[tall torrent]

The dodge cancel -3.5 stamina thing

Also not great imo

[clever hedge]

Sacred oils

[tall torrent]

I think that needs to get buffed

I’m ok with trading stamina in cancelling a “long commitment attack”

But 3.5 is a bit crazy

Make it like 2 or smth

[wind grotto]

I think the long commitment attack better be something like the two handed psyker animation nowadays lmao

[serene bough]

Would be also nice if the rev gave some innate amount of brittleness imo, you're digging a chainsaw into someone's armor, its bound to do something to its defenses

[wind grotto]

like that seems like a good example from what we've seen of something that is worth actually committing time to charge up

[elder fiber]

yeah better dmg split on rev would be good

[tall torrent]

So overall I think chainswords need like

1. Better single target moveset damage outside of special-activated attacks
2. Special-activated attacks need to deal significantly more damage since they’re very high commitment
3. Dodge cancelling special-activated attacks should cost less than 3.5 stamina (somewhere like 2)

And maybe better stagger to help fight ragers

Unsure abt that one

[serene bough]

Still think rev needs to do better on cara

[untold mulch]

"We will explain why no Veteran weapon"
...
...
"Nah bro, we actually didn't bother at all, go kick rocks"

[serene bough]

Not chaxe level but still better

[tall torrent]

I think chainaxe rev attack is also not enough damage tbh

[hollow ibex]

tbf vet already has the biggest weapon selection

[tall torrent]

It’s actually not as good vs unyielding as I thought

[visual badge]

about time

[hollow ibex]

yeah and have to make a lot of sacrifices to one-shot crushers lol

[wind grotto]

you can make the chax feel okay against unyielding at least but I still think it's bad

[hollow ibex]

just so not worth it

[serene bough]

Giving the rev some innate rending/brittleness applied would go a long way to boost its dmg

[tall torrent]

Nah not rly sacrifices

I think they don’t do enough vs unyielding and their horde clear is still hard capped by the cleave damage distribution max of 4

[bleak tendon]

its SO funny

love being a psyker main

[untold mulch]

I laugh to not cry lmao

[hollow ibex]

i mean to get the one shot against crushers you have to fuck over the already mediocre horde clear

[tall torrent]

Nah

Just headtaker + slaughterer

Run superiority complex + BID

Done

[analog yacht]

just give us snd at this point

[hollow ibex]

i don't want to rely on stacks

it's not always there

[tall torrent]

Run thrust then

Instead of slaughterer prob

[hollow ibex]

i've tested a few combinations, and disliked all of them

so i've dropped the chaxe

[wind grotto]

if i'm playing with pals and they don't want to do aurics i'll fuck around with a chax since I like the moveset

[hollow ibex]

it can be fun, but tbh if i'm running a chaxe, i just expect it to one-shot crushers on heavy rev

not "oh you're one stack short of one-shotting, get fucked pal"

[serene bough]

Chaxe is an awkward weapon

[tall torrent]

Use mk4 then

[hollow ibex]

i like it more than chain sword, but that's not saying much

[serene bough]

Spamming lights w/ headtaker+slaughterer is better dps against cara than its rev

[tall torrent]

U don’t even need to bother with heavy rev

[hollow ibex]

i disliked the horde clear on it lol

so yeah no winning here

[tall torrent]

It’s actually better than mk12’s horde clear

[serene bough]

And its horde clear moveset is obnoxious

[tall torrent]

Cuz it actually kills things

[hollow ibex]

i know, i'm just lazy

and like to just light spam

which is why i do like the mk4's single target...

[serene bough]

Still don't understand why the chaxe isn't 2 handed

Since it's just the mauler weapon with a shorter handle

[white minnow]

presumably for the same reason that the 1h psword is just a one-handed version of the 2h psword

[serene bough]

They look like different models

The chaxe we have and the maulers have is exactly the same, sans the shaft length

[hollow ibex]

Shaft length

[queen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/never-goon-bozonga-hjjw-saraiva-skibidi-gif-15011026571260862033

[tall torrent]

cooking

[hollow ibex]

ooh attack directions

[grand perch]

attack direction refers to the combo i have to do on my dancing mat right?

[tall torrent]

attack direction is whatever the left-most cell is

[sly orchid]

Damn that crazy

[tall torrent]

L1 from Rashad = ↙

[analog mural]

But imagine if there was a nice graphic like in the ogrynomicon

[tall torrent]

am too lazy

[sly orchid]

You forgot the new vet weapon path

https://tenor.com/view/turles-dragon-ball-dbz-tullece-laugh-gif-17442980413440269481

[tall torrent]

nah

[queen fox]

How are you gonna represent thrusts? Upwards arrow will be used for uppercuts like Rashad special

[tall torrent]

⮾ is used in physics to represent going into screen
same application here

[queen fox]

I guess people will get it

[tall torrent]

If they read the terminology section they will

[queen fox]

Mf guide getting an index an glossary lmao

[tall torrent]

The only thing I’m worried about is

Whether or not I can squeeze 3 weapons into steam guide’s 8k word limit per section

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dance-revolution-stepmania-itg-itgmania-toothless-dancing-gif-12797453465883684279

[tall torrent]

Because there was one section that barely got squeezed in

[terse idol]

Me seeing the vet guide after update

[primal zealot]

Just use shorter words

[queen fox]

Ogryn players will appreciate it

[grand perch]

zero

[radiant chasm]

MMO speak everything

[novel stone]

Is "execution" a good blessing on the bolt pistol?

Trying to find out how I wanna set it up cause I really like it

[short fern]

Execution is always good since it always staggers

[novel stone]

I figured

I wasn't keen on surgical this time around

Gonna use it with puncture

[hollow ibex]

if you're playing bistol on vet, puncture + lethal prox is the way to go

no real reason to take anything else

[novel stone]

Well now I'm still torn

I like lethal prox especially if I'm overrun by ragers or some shit but that 20% dmg bonus is looking sexy

[hollow ibex]

puncture with either exec stance or FT will let you hit the relevant key breakpoints, so there isn't really a need for another damage blessing

lethal prox is there to make frag grenades do funny things

[novel stone]

Mmm considering the build I use it with guess I'll keep it then

I hate exec stance tbh though

[hollow ibex]

i just run it with FT instead of exec stance

[novel stone]

I'm using it with weapons spec rn for a pen and I had fun in the mission I did

[tall torrent]

No

It’s a 1-tap type of gun

Execution doesn’t contribute to that

[novel stone]

Not every single enemy can be one taped really

[tall torrent]

It can & should one tap both flamers and both gunners

Execution doesn’t help u achieve that

[novel stone]

Lethal prox doesn't help much either especially at that point I can just melee if they're that close

Usually you're gonna kill those enemies at a range

[tall torrent]

Lethal prox makes your frag grenades better

[novel stone]

True

[hearty panther]

execution only works on your second shot

[tall torrent]

Lethal prox is too high utility to not use, and puncture directly helps 1 tap breakpoints

[novel stone]

Yeah was already made up my mind on using it for that but it's a shame execution doesn't have the utility it does

[novel stone]

A second and third shot with a 20% dmg buff that's not a great argument

Besides considering it staggers most enemies including crushers I think it can be pretty good, if puncture didn't exist, paired with lethal prox it'd be great

[hearty panther]

not really

[novel stone]

But I'm using it with a lacerate knife and frag nades so I gotta

[hearty panther]

think of it like skullcrusher on melee weapons, you can only gain the bonus on an enemy that's currently in stagger state

[hollow ibex]

don't use lacerate knife

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[hearty panther]

the difference is we're not using an unlimited ammo melee weapon, we're using a pistol that has eight rounds

[novel stone]

But it already has a decent aoe and and staggers a lot of enemies

[novel stone]

Idc I like it

[hollow ibex]

ok, your loss

[hearty panther]

and you do like 60% of the enemy's HP on the first shot just to waste the extra damage on shot number two

[novel stone]

Yeah plus any other enemies you stagger

[novel stone]

Hey man it's fun

Not a loss If I'm having fun

[novel stone]

And in this situation it's an aoe pistol that easily staggers litteraly anything

And then gives you 20% dmg

[hearty panther]

changing exactly zero breakpoints

does it have decent application uptime? yes

is it consequential? basically never

[novel stone]

Meaning what exactly

[hearty panther]

things you can kill in one shot will still die on one shot
things that take two shots to kill will still take two shots to kill

[tall torrent]

It’s surprisingly low stagger

[novel stone]

Alright that's fair enough

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t even break rager combo lol

[hearty panther]

and keep in mind yeah they have to be IN stagger state

its not just "this guy was staggered and now he takes extra damage"

that follow up has to be very quick

its actual best use is with the weapon special where you conk them in the face with the barrel and then pull the trigger

[novel stone]

Staggered the ones I used it against then again I had lethal prox on

[hearty panther]

which is definitely funny

[tall torrent]

Nah it doesn’t break rager combo

If they’re not in combo it can stagger

[novel stone]

Alright then someone explain to me what's a trap about lacerate

Before upgrade this knife I've had for like a year or so

I rarely use it but had some fun this time around

[hearty panther]

if you want bleed take flesh tearer

knife's niche is finesse which includes headshot damage

and it already has built in crit bonuses

applying bleed only when youre essentially not taking advantage of its niche is sort of backwards

[novel stone]

I see

Even if I don't really try to hard on most average enemies for weak spot hits it'd be better then

[hearty panther]

off a crit you'd apply bleed to everything struck with Flesh Tearer

with Lacerate you only ever apply bleed to things you didn't headshot

[novel stone]

What's best to pair it with? I see a lot of good options

Ayup

It's also more stacks

[hollow ibex]

prob reciprocate or uncanny

[novel stone]

Riposte not worth it? I'm gonna use uncanny

Thought I used to see a lot of people glazing riposte and never saw it over uncanny

[hollow ibex]

oops i think the blessing was called

riposte

i think reciprocate is the talent

[thin stone]

After playing zealot for a week, i appreciate veteran much more

I love my vet now

Fuck zealot

[novel stone]

I thought you meant precog for some reason

[hollow ibex]

i got the names confused

[gilded wraith]

What's more efficient to sprint around with? Rashad or Recon Mk14?

[hollow ibex]

riposte synergizes well with FT

[earnest bone]

if i remember correctly recon 80 mobility is slightly faster than Rashad with 60

but not much

[novel stone]

I like zealot for a lot of reasons but I just like fet

Vet*

Prob Rashad then

[tame lodge]

Yeah but Uncanny is rending
Knife likes rending

[gilded wraith]

Thanks!

[tame lodge]

Unless you're zealot because Duelist is a thing

And 100% rending on ability

[hollow ibex]

uncanny is pretty much always good too

[novel stone]

One of the can't-go-wrong perks

[tall torrent]

Recon

Recon is +0.6m/s at 80% mobility

Rashad is +0.09m/s at 60% mobility

Huge difference

[hollow ibex]

rashad is one slow mfer

[cobalt crest]

Hey is 5% crit perk on the recon and las pistol worth it or should I just go for 25% damage

[errant carbon]

IIRC Uncanny applies to dots like Bleed

[earnest bone]

only if you use infernus

[novel stone]

Ok so I'm not crazy for having my recon at 60 stability then?

[tall torrent]

Most melee weapons are around that speed

[hollow ibex]

yeah it'll help make stuff like crushers bleed out faster

[tall torrent]

Recon dump is collateral

[earnest bone]

i've dumped collateral is i find it useless

[novel stone]

THATS WHAT I THOUGHT BUT FRIEND CALLED ME A MORON

[hollow ibex]

o really? it feels like i'm constantly behind others

and i'm not saying DS/knife users

[novel stone]

Said mobility or stability after I thought collat

[cobalt crest]

Ngl I feel like mobility stability and collateral can all be dump stats but collateral is the most useless of the 3

[novel stone]

What's the dif between 80 and 60 even

[cobalt crest]

Wait so vet has a base 5% crit chance right?

So it's just a 10% chance to proc infernus

[earnest bone]

it shows 17 as final

[cobalt crest]

Do you have any talents that add to it

[earnest bone]

5+5+5 (idk why there's extra +2)

+5 base +5 node +5 wep

+2 (???)

[cobalt crest]

I'm not using infiltrate

[cobalt crest]

Wait but where's the +2 that's kinda funky

[earnest bone]

worth a point if going mid

[earnest bone]

yeah

[serene bough]

Probably your weapon

[thin stone]

I love my vet

He has that bussin power sword

[cobalt crest]

The las pistol has an increased crit chance iirc

Does the recon lasgun too?

[thin stone]

Yes

[cobalt crest]

Oh

[thin stone]

Recon lasgun very kul

[novel stone]

Id use the power sword more if it didn't get rid of the charge every time I got hit with itb at ALL

I still love it

[thin stone]

I love taxes

[errant carbon]

taxes are theft

[thin stone]

No

[novel stone]

Sv trve.....

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/anarchy-solutions-the-solution-is-obvious-gif-15864762

[tall torrent]

Scrapped the arrows for attack direction

[cobalt crest]

Anarchy means I'll have to use my darktide time to forage for berries

[grand perch]

you can just trade crack for food, go to zealot chat for your first customers

[cobalt crest]

But that means I have to suck dick for crack

[grand perch]

such is the anarchy economy

[cobalt crest]

That's not too bad actually...

[tall torrent]

antax attack profiles done

[thin stone]

@tall torrent are you making a Zelly guide?

[tall torrent]

No

[thin stone]

Sadge

[tall torrent]

Zealot is much simpler than veteran

[grand perch]

vet is the chosen class anyway

[thin stone]

How so

Can you recommend my pleb ahh a build

Rashad or taxe?

[tall torrent]

Zealot has 1 good build

[thin stone]

Share

[narrow frost]

Zealot has like 2 talent trees

1 crit 1 non cit

[thin stone]

Dafuq

[narrow frost]

then pick a keystone

[thin stone]

Share that good build @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

#zealot-class message

[errant carbon]

Zealot talent tree mentioned

[hollow ibex]

but really you should be taking FOTF

[thin stone]

That is the build I'm using

[errant carbon]

Yes

[thin stone]

So the pulsating relic is not good?

[narrow frost]

Correct

[thin stone]

Or the shroud ability

[hollow ibex]

fun for memes

[thin stone]

What weapon for it

[hollow ibex]

but really fury is already super fun anyway

[tall torrent]

“One of the best abilities in the game that gives u infinite sustain, i-frames, mobility & damage”

[errant carbon]

Chorus is discount VoC that also CCs you, and comes with a talent point tax for some baffling fucking reason

[broken spade]

hi path

[hollow ibex]

chorus can be funny for gradually pushing bosses off ledges ig

[tall torrent]

2 zealots with backstab CDR and chorus can infinite refresh their abilities

Quite funny, not super practical

[broken spade]

path, do you think I could one-shot a crusher with illisi if i stack enough buffs, no stims?

[tall torrent]

Don’t think so

You’re missing like 2600 damage smth

[broken spade]

It did more damage than i expected and i'm wondering how far it gets

[thin stone]

@tall torrent what ranged weapon should be paired with tac axe on zealot?

[tall torrent]

That’s on a crit

[broken spade]

I kinda doubt it too but i'm wondering how much it can do

[tall torrent]

Boltgun

[thin stone]

Why?

[broken spade]

That's also without cara or elites

[thin stone]

What if Rashad

[tall torrent]

Boltgun

[broken spade]

and perfect timing isn't stacked, and scriers barely had any stacks

[thin stone]

Ok cool

[broken spade]

i wonder how far it can go if i fully stack everything

[thin stone]

Boltgun on zealot sounds funni

I use the agripinaa brauto currently

I do have a nice stat boltgun tho

[tall torrent]

Have fun testing

[broken spade]

I'll try it after work in a few hours

take your bets

honestly i'm betting against it, but maybe

[tall torrent]

I think I can actually contain every weapon family within 1 section

[broken spade]

i think it'll hit for 3k and fail

[tall torrent]

Combat axe is the only melee that really needs going into building for breakpoints

Maybe knife? Idk

But knife has only 2 weapons

[thin stone]

Path is cooking

[tall torrent]

Combat axe rn is at like 4k characters out of the 8k limit

[thin stone]

Let him cook

[tall torrent]

Achlys attack profile + combo for all 3 axes + achlys perk choices

Then add their radar charts

[orchid hemlock]

It always comes back to Rashad huh?

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-roll-gif-18401155

[tall torrent]

I was trying Antax last night

It has no light atk cancel

It throws me off too much I gave up

Also Antax’s lower damage really hurts its breakpoints

[thin stone]

What is a breakpoint

[tall torrent]

Amount of damage needed to kill an enemy in as few hits as possible

[thin stone]

Ok

[supple stag]

Antax is that ugly brother of rashad

[cobalt crest]

Is the mkvii devil claw better than the IV? Cause I've been trying to use the IV and it feels kinda awful aside from the parry

Nvm they feel very samey

[tame lodge]

Can you even spam parry on the 7?

[cobalt crest]

I just assumed the parry was 1:1 on every sword so idk

[hollow ibex]

i personally think IV is the best

[cobalt crest]

Idk it's just that the light attacks kinda suck and the heavy attacks are ok so am I just supposed to pull it out to parry 90% of the time and that's it

The mkvii I've noticed has a better push attack and a strike in its light attack combo but that doesn't make as big of a difference as I thought it would for me

I like the parry though parry is great

[true trellis]

The normal dclaw attacks all kinda suck

It's just a worse heavy sword in every way except the parry

[hollow ibex]

pretty much unfortunately

[queen fox]

Real. But parry is worth it

[cobalt crest]

So do I just not bother with using regular attacks for horde clear

And just parry the horde

[hollow ibex]

no parry has bad cleave

so you still use regular attacks for horde clear

it'll just take longer

[queen fox]

Parry is a rager delete button imo

[hollow ibex]

and bruisers

and in the right circumstances, crushers/maulers

but yeah the dps otherwise is pretty unfortunate

[cobalt crest]

I've only seen it be useful against maulers/crushers for zealot

Where it can 1 shot

[queen fox]

Bruisers are flak armored melee right

[cobalt crest]

Ye

Wait so do I h1 l1 repeat into hordes or do I spam light

[hollow ibex]

dreg bruisers have flak helmets, scabs are unarmored on the head

[hollow ibex]

for mk iv it's L1 H2 for horde clear

mk vii is reversed

[cobalt crest]

Right I forgot the h1 on mk IV is the overhead

[hollow ibex]

and then mk1... we don't talk about mk1

[cobalt crest]

Wait so do I just never light attack?