veteran-class

[vivid ocean]

its shit but im using it for flavor

[tame lodge]

No Respite

Hotshot

[vivid ocean]

does hotshot work on the bayonet?

[tame lodge]

Should work because it apparently works on your melee

But the CDD on bayo is bad

[vivid ocean]

ah, so not much benefit

its more for firing into hordes?

[tame lodge]

Yup

[vivid ocean]

ill stick to weight of fire no respite then

[tame lodge]

For a bayo build that should be ok

But if you're going to shoot you'll have to exclusively aim for weakspots

[vivid ocean]

ive already been doing that

[severe gale]

you used to be able to have brutal momentum apply to ur bayonet

and that was very fun

[indigo lark]

does anyone have trouble with the armory extension loading? all i'm getting is a white screen

[ancient path]

would be funny to add that and skirmisher (the sprint talent iirc) to maximum bayonet charge memes.

[somber axle]

Yeah and even the lowest damage/fastest firing Helbore can be built for a 2 shot on Crusher heads (or 3 shot with a bit less talent investment) during Exe Stance. If you're not feeling Exe Stance the slow firing/highest damage per charged shot variant still kills them in 2-3 shots with the right set up without Exe Stance but the slow charge rate feels awkward imo

Middle variant is very comfy for speed/damage/good bayonet

Helbores can kinda shoot anything they want to but you need space to get the volleys going. Shredder Frag Grenades and/or Voice of Command are important unless you roll with a Tauntgryn or Smiteker friend who peels heat off you to let you snipe

Even without that you can sorta bayonet to victory against small hordes and small mixed hordes

One Motion is nice but tbh I've been running Close Order Drill and Confirmed Kill instead without too much trouble on the slow swap speed

Bayonet does trigger the melee side of Agile Engagement if you want to go down right tree to use Infiltrate/Low Profile to create the space you want on demand but imo you're better off with Shredder Frags to help cover the weakness vs bigger hordes/mixed hordes

And I think zig zagging across the tree that much is awful for having the points for better things

[hearty panther]

I miss Vanguard.

One Motion is too stinky.

[somber axle]

It's ok there's always triple sprint efficiency on curios

[hearty panther]

but i wanted moooooreee

[somber axle]

Triple sprint efficiency, triple Stam regen and one +3 Stam curio feels nice

[hearty panther]

especially on helbore though, funny enough

you'd think swap speed would really help it, but the actual secret is to just never unequip your gun

i was getting significantly more mileage out of vanguard than anything one motion can provide

[ancient path]

something I've been adjusting to for my executioner builds for when I need to skidaddle out of an engagement.

[tiny summit]

Yea thats the beauty of the bayonet stab. Dont really need to swap unless surrounded

[hearty panther]

and since the helbores have an atrocious 1.75 stam per second sprint cost

-20% from Vanguard + the three sprint effs went a long way

[somber axle]

The trickiest thing Fatshark did was flip how bayonet charging works

I forget which order it is now but you either have to hold bayonet THEN begin sprinting or you have sprint THEN hold bayonet

It used to be one way then they changed it the other way

If you try the wrong order it just cancels the sprint

[hearty panther]

yea hope they have that fix on a list somewhere

its very clunky now

[midnight totem]

I miss sprinting forever with vanguard

[crimson sparrow]

Elaborate

[dry cloak]

No

[terse idol]

Literally the best but nice bait

🎣

[fading yarrow]

Can't believe I can't give Commissar Dukane my sticky surprise

My Krak grenades, that is

Idk what y'all were thinking

[brittle turtle]

this was an interesting game

[clear lantern]

Commissidar Dukane gives Cowardly Guardsman 10mm surprise [gone wrong] [uncensored] [heartwarming]

[brittle turtle]

3 psykers and one vet is preeetttyyy good

[merry coral]

AMMO

[brittle turtle]

haha, none of them had guns so it was all for me

and since I was using bolter, I could just shoot as much as I wanted

and shoot I did

[merry coral]

Nice

[errant carbon]

Bolt her? I've only just met her!

[fading yarrow]

Gonna try to do 35 Rolling Steel runs today to complete the penance

I'm gonna know her very well

[clear lantern]

you could also just stand near her on the arrivals dock and listen

[fading yarrow]

Yeah but that won't progress the penance

[frank basin]

Boo!

[merry coral]

I just shat myself

[steady dawn]

Based

[errant carbon]

Space Cop jump scare

[fading yarrow]

Just finished a Malice Rolling Steel right in time to nab another Rolling Steel at the literal last second

I wish it was more common in the mission pool

[hollow ibex]

i wished they'd just remove it

[fading yarrow]

True

[frank basin]

Rolling feel like a prototype

[errant carbon]

Put it under the Special Assignment button. Nothing like watching a revolving pool of teammates join and immediately leave when they find out they QP'ed into Rolling DPS Check

[slow spade]

Rolling Steel is fine, your teammates aren't

honestly if you couldn't join Rolling Steel midway, it'd likely solve a lot of the problems

[errant carbon]

It's far less carryable than a normal mission due to the boss enrage timer
crashing this train with no survivors

[slow spade]

"oops all tox bombers"

[hollow ibex]

well that's the problem with it, feels like a guaranteed loss playing with pubs

they just need to ease up on the time requirements

it's not present in any other gamemode, people don't know how to deal with it

[slow spade]

Fatshark: "skill issue"

honestly I wish it was a "defend this point"

at least then one guy isn't stuck on sitting duty

[elder fiber]

They definitely don't need to make rolling steel easier lol

[slow spade]

yeah its less mechanically interesting but its more fun

[slow spade]

na they can ramp up the spawns or something

[hollow ibex]

i mean yeah, but also like what did they expect when they introduce the first timed gamemode without giving much leeway on the instant death lol

[slow spade]

but 1 player being stuck on sitting duty is not that fun

[hollow ibex]

oh not to mention being the rewards being total ass

[slow spade]

indeed :c having ways to manipulate the time would be cool

like destroying a power cell for like +1 minute

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah that'd be nice

[slow spade]

aquillas pls UwU

[hollow ibex]

15k dockets and 300 plasteel, final offer

[slow spade]

smh I guess I keep my pearls clutched then

[hollow ibex]

there should prob be a big resource cache at the end or something

or maybe one halfway through, and one at the end

pretty sure it gives half the dockets of a normal mission atm, so they should just do the same for resources

[slow spade]

"Mortarion's super secret resource stash: Donut steel"

[errant carbon]

Pearls Status: Clutched
Call of Duty Status: No
Complexity Status: Immeasurable

[tall torrent]

that's half the problem
the other half is that the rolling steel bomb defusal minigame is turbo boring

it's like 30s to defuse

it feels bad to play on KBM too

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah definitely

the entire mission just needs adjusting

i don't mind the concept of operations, but the execution is a bit lacking atm

[bleak cradle]

Rolling steel is hard af because of teammates.

I also will never play it again until they alter the mini game time

[hollow ibex]

it's just an auto leave for me at this point

[wind grotto]

yeah I hate rolling steel with pubbies, it either needs like a tiiiny increase in time or to just change the hacking minigame to not make one player have to stand there for 25 second or whatever it is 3 times

[hollow ibex]

i'm not wasting my time on a guaranteed loss with pubbies

[wind grotto]

yeah I haven't had a win with pubs on rolling steel since the week it came out in aurics

[hollow ibex]

(on top of rewards already being shit even if you win)

[wind grotto]

someone will inevitably go down, then someone will go back a train car to get him up and the spiral just starts inevitably

yeah it not having full mission rewards even though it is a hell march is wild

[tall torrent]

I’ve been grinding it for the 50 completions

[sleek garden]

I haven't seen rolling steel in aurics for a while

I'm always on at the wrong time

[wind grotto]

i'm very thankful it seems super rare nowadays

[frank basin]

It’s a very stress test

On damnation pub maybe equal to histg damnation pub

[wind grotto]

tbf to people that go down it's also probably the worst map for just surprise there were 7 gunners nearly inside of eachother above you and you instantly died because you didn't look above and behind as they spawned

[serene bough]

i like rolling steel

its a fun mission

[ruby hull]

out of curiosity what is considered the dump stat for bolter here

collateral or mobility

[tall torrent]

Mobility

[ruby hull]

🫡

[fading yarrow]

Can any of y'all give this a shot or let me know if something was changed? I can't get it to work

[somber onyx]

the dump stat for power sword says cleave targets, but why? normally its mobility but what is the difference maker in this case

[fading yarrow]

Power Sword already has good cleave iirc

[somber onyx]

seperate question entirel;y but how tf do i speed up the krak penance, im so tired of using these things

[hollow ibex]

that's the neat part, you don't

just use them normally

[somber adder]

As long as you stick it to carapace or flak every kill it gets counts towards the penance. So if you manage to stick it to a flak wearing enemy in a horde you can get like 5-10 kills usually.
Use the Bistol with the explosion radius blessing, it works for grenades you use.

Take all the grenade talents and spam away. You can easily get 30 at the lowest and 60 at the highest (ish) kills per mission

[hollow ibex]

yeah you can stick them on bruisers and shit

but it's going to be less painful if you just forget about it and play normally

[somber adder]

^

[tiny summit]

Playing with a purpose of challenge grinding will always make something seem painful. If its a grind, just let it happen as you play

[leaden skiff]

500 armored kills is slow but it's going.

[tiny summit]

COD players almost feel like they dont even play their games for fun and instead just for the camo grinding treadmill

[leaden skiff]

Teaching my buddy the game. Every enemy type is present in Malice yeah?

[tiny summit]

I believe so. I think that was the first time I saw a crusher

[dry cloak]

Infected moebian 21

[dry cloak]

Yes

[leaden skiff]

Has the three ogryn. All the disablers and bombers. Word. That's what I thought

[somber adder]

Does it have daemonhosts?

[dry cloak]

Kraks are in my main build so i just got it by playing

[dry cloak]

Yeah but rarely

[somber adder]

Tell your friend to touch it

Wait, wrong person

@ viking

[tacit sonnet]

Why is rashad the best axe? I see no difference between rashad and antax

[undone jungle]

rashad gets finesse antax doesnt which increases attack speed and headshot damage

antax has better push attack (debatably)

antax is quite a usable meme on psyker because they have 0 stamina recovery delay

[tall torrent]

0.5s

veteran talent tree section in steam guide port done @orchid hemlock

[orchid hemlock]

[merry coral]

Good lord

[tall torrent]

I brought back talent ratings (nodes excluded)

Always good
Usually good
Build specific
Usually not worth

[undone jungle]

finally figured out how to enjoy power sword mk6

just made it into a tiny power hatchet and the sheer aura makes it fun

[tough flower]

[trim tiger]

is there a reason why the mk 3 shock maul is considered as safe as the mk1a? 1a seems better in almost every way

[tawny timber]

what an idea

[tawny timber]

I like the attack patterns of the mk 3 way more

H1 L2 clears hordes super well

[trim tiger]

if you push you are forced into the single target swing pattern, which makes it feel way less safe

[tall torrent]

Mk3 doesn't burn stamina for single target dmg and has better angled horde clear attacks

PA into light resets mk3 back into horde combo

[tawny timber]

i dont find myself having to push much

🤷‍♂️

[trim tiger]

isnt h1 into sp the best dps for 1a?

[tall torrent]

SP is risky in a mixed horde context

[trim tiger]

real

[tall torrent]

it's actually not a lot of stagger

[tawny timber]

i only ever use sp for like isolated crushers or ragers

[tall torrent]

it takes like 3 ticks to break crusher overhead

[tawny timber]

any other time end up getting hit

[tall torrent]

which is way too slow in application

[tawny timber]

there isnt a mk V infantry lasgun

[tall torrent]

u also have to dodge to cancel it
on a weapon that has reduced dodge distance and only 4 dodges

[trim tiger]

real

[tall torrent]

I wrote infantry autogun

and recon lasgun

[tawny timber]

am i retarted

let me return to kindergarten rq

but also would you say onslaught is not worth using with braced autogun?

[tall torrent]

I'll reevaluate most of the weapon radar charts prob

[tall torrent]

nah

[trim tiger]

also while youre here path i wanted to run by you a helbore 4 tree

[tall torrent]

graia 4 maybe

but

it's only really relevant for crushers

and for veteran, if ur running a braced autogun (mainly to help with mixed horde), ur prob running an anti-carapace melee anyway

[tawny timber]

thanks

[trim tiger]

melee is shock maul

[short fern]

boltgun users do you grab the reload talents or nah?

[trim tiger]

yes

tac reload is good

[short fern]

what about volley adept

[trim tiger]

more wasted points since u take longshot

also personal preference i like the consistency of tac

[short fern]

so do you take confirmed kill and tactical reload then? Or just tac reload and move down to grenades?

[trim tiger]

confirmed kill always

[tall torrent]

confirmed kill + tac reload

[trim tiger]

can take movespeed or stamina

[short fern]

so this is good then?

[trim tiger]

yee

[short fern]

alright ty

[orchid hemlock]

and so it begins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg9pvS6ucE

[tall torrent]

I'd take the 5% move speed

[short fern]

does this seem pretty standard?

[tall torrent]

ps5 new players gonna realize why "damnation" is called damnation

[tall torrent]

no

[trim tiger]

@short fern i use this

[tawny timber]

holy ads batman

[hidden torrent]

The only safe place will be Auric missions, for like a week

[trim tiger]

heavy sword 9 is the melee

[trim tiger]

how much you wanna bet smyker is on there

[short fern]

why executioners stance though? voice of command is really strong atm

[orchid hemlock]

lets see

[tall torrent]

becasue exe makes boltgun extremely strong

[trim tiger]

exe stance swong

chaining special and elite kills into tac reload into unloading on the boss is like the best feeling

[trim tiger]

what weapons

also no kd lolll

[short fern]

interesting

[trim tiger]

bruhhhhhhhhh

[orchid hemlock]

its a surge build

[bleak cradle]

Meta for good players is no KD

[orchid hemlock]

KD is not necessary for a smite build

prob is

this isn't a smite build

💀

[bleak cradle]

That build Orcka linked is actually the standard EK build atm

[orchid hemlock]

yeah but why DS?

where is the wave clear?

[trim tiger]

f

[orchid hemlock]

I mean IG it is easy to use sure

[trim tiger]

congrats mister e looked at psyker chat

[orchid hemlock]

i would image lighting staff build would look something like this:

but ILISI is a must

[bleak cradle]

I have used both DS and Illisi for it. Horde clear is shout and then clean up. I personally use Illisi

[tame lodge]

I'd take that -peril on keystone and put on Quietude

[orchid hemlock]

u have one point left

[leaden skiff]

Had to check the channel name for a second. What in the heresy is going on in vet chat lmao

[worldly pulsar]

Opinions on best vigilant autogun? I've been doing alright with the Agripinaa, the two-round burst, but I'm curious to hear y'all's opinion.

[bleak cradle]

Wildfire

[tame lodge]

Oh neat
Quietude and Essence Harvest

[orchid hemlock]

Mister E with the "meta" drops

speaking of which

[tame lodge]

Empyric Resolve does a good amount of -peril

[orchid hemlock]

nononononnoo what do I see at the bottom????

[leaden skiff]

Psh meta. Been running boltgun since pre launch will be running it after it's fallen out of favor again

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tame lodge]

Either 3 rounds or Semi

[bleak cradle]

Obviously the problem is “new players” Using a ds instead of illisi and dropping KD wouldn’t be the best for them

[orchid hemlock]

is wildfire worth on electro?

[tame lodge]

There's some folks that use the double tapper vigilant but those players are rare

[worldly pulsar]

Exactly not the one I'm using lol. What makes them better?

[bleak cradle]

Yes. Because it can help start areas of soulblaze stacks along with perilous combustion.

Is it the most necessary? No, but it helps ramp up dmg

[hollow ibex]

3 rounds feels like an IAG, with a similar ammo economy to boot tbh

semi auto feels pretty inconsistent

double tap has good ammo economy bad bad horizontal recoil under sustained fire

[worldly pulsar]

Okay. I'll give the triple a try, then. I've always enjoyed the DMR-style weapons in most FPS games, so the vigilant feels pretty good. I almost abbreviated the name, but "vigilant autogun" has kind of an unfortunate abbreviation, huh?

[pearl mango]

anyone that could recommend a fun build no plasma build 🙂

[tame lodge]

Viag is a thing

It refers to Vraks Infantry Auto Gun

[pearl mango]

and on damnation should i run health curious or toughtness ?

[orchid hemlock]

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

[undone jungle]

I've recently been testing a brauto build that has been serving me extremely well. just an auric heresy i did carrying my friend but as you can see it can kick ass

[warm gull]

im kind of new and trying to get "for the emperor" penance but i need to take no melee damage does anyone have tip ?

[orchid hemlock]

play better

[warm gull]

that doesnt really help me out a whole lot buddy

[worldly pulsar]

Pretend that everything not directly related to mechanics that comes out of Orcka's mouth is flavor text from a rude NPC

You'll feel better about the conversation.

[orchid hemlock]

truuuuuu

im just joking, but there isn't really a "strat" to get that penance

[undone jungle]

Still testing here and there. Works very well. You wanna use Shredders to pop CC on elite swarms and guarantee safe revives. Never aim with the Agripinaa Brauto you're better off hipfiring. When you're off Executioners Stance use shorter bursts and crouch for longer range, but that said on Auric there's enough elites to feed your ability extension.

[orchid hemlock]

play at the lowest difficulty required to get it ig

[tame lodge]

Your toughness can take a hit

So keep it maxxed or yellow

[warm gull]

oh i thought it was no melle damage at all

[orchid hemlock]

u dont take melee damage until u reach bellow 75% toughness

[undone jungle]

I recommend Voice of Command and a heavily defensive weapon, such as the dueling swords

I've done no damage on aurdamn with VoC and dswords they're very stinking good albeit not perfect as some say

[tame lodge]

Play it safe
Like a low intensity Malice

[warm gull]

thanks

[winged laurel]

So what is current meta on heavy sword?

[orchid hemlock]

Like the perks/blessings?

I'm not familiar with the breakpoints so I'm not sure about the perks, but I assume for blessings it would be BM/HT

[winged laurel]

mainly on blessings

[bleak cradle]

Head taker for sure. I thought death blow was preferred over BM?

[hollow ibex]

Death blow IS BM

[tall torrent]

Headtaker + deathblow
Flak + maniac/elite

maniac gives 1HS mutant without any conditional buffs
Elite is more general purpose damage

[orchid hemlock]

Oh yeah it's not called brutal momentum on the Heavy

[bleak cradle]

Ok, haha. Does heavy sword not have BM I take it?

[hollow ibex]

No but actually yes

Or yes but actually no?

[bleak cradle]

Ohhh, bladed momentum. Wtf is that

[hollow ibex]

Oh right that’s a thing too

[tall torrent]

Bladed momentum is actually not hard to activate

[orchid hemlock]

No I meant brutal momentum

[tall torrent]

Its downside is that it’s competing against deathblow and headtaker

[orchid hemlock]

Buts called deathblow fr some reason

[winged laurel]

been wanting to switch away from trusted devils claw and looking for a good sweep and cleaner

[ocean idol]

BRUH

WTF they did to plasma

why it is s op

i have not used for a loooong time

This is not even funny

[radiant chasm]

they gave it 100 cleave baseline

then nerfed it to 50 uncharged/100 charged

[faint beacon]

Welcome to constant buffs and no nerfs the weapon

[ocean idol]

I am also using agile engagmeents + weapon spec

BRUH

Triple thge damage of others now

[tall torrent]

What is that corruption damage lol

[ocean idol]

ok wtf is this mission

At first i thought thatm y team just sucked

but thne i looked at the amount of specials killed

about 450

[merry coral]

uh.

[winged laurel]

clearly very sneaky and subtle operation ahead

remember to be quiet

[queen fox]

It was so bad on release tho

Almost unusable

[faint beacon]

It did not need the buffs it got during UNL

M2 is still useless tragically

[ocean idol]

i dunno, i use it sometimes

When i line up like 5 elites

[faint beacon]

Clicking M1 head level has the same effect

And you don’t spend as much ammo vs M2

[mossy quarry]

Just started playing Vet. Is the ignore mass on weak spot hit pretty much mandatory for combat axe / shovel? Enjoying the gunplay, but not so much the melee atm

[queen fox]

Brutal momentum is required on almost every weapon that can have it

[mossy quarry]

Gotcha

[queen fox]

Powersword and maybe tac axe are the exceptions fyi

Tac axe is trash rn tho

[iron marten]

I would still take brutal momentum on powerswords tbh

being able to kill 4 chaff per energized swing is pretty hard for me to pass up on

[mossy quarry]

ah yeah that feels immediately better lmao

Top one, cheers fellas

[clever hedge]

emperor protects guardsmen

[merry coral]

Aaaand that's 50% oh the team taht left, plus some more during the match lmao

Really, can't wait for the anti alt f4 fix

[vestal widget]

i kind of enjoy teammate darwinism

just watching as people cycle out until your team is all solid players lol

[merry coral]

hahahaa

Yeah

I just spawned into a match, teammates were far beyond me, got 2 chaos spawn on me, and like 10 ragers, well. I love my grenades.

[pallid dew]

Oooo

[tame lodge]

It's called Deathblow on the heavy sword
If you ever try the mk9 that is

[ancient path]

helbores is kinda weird. what do you use them for?

[narrow frost]

shooting

[ancient path]

wow thanks

[pseudo fiber]

Some form of penance I believe

[regal smelt]

They are easy to build surgical into since you'll be spending a lot of time in aim down sights without shooting while charging the gun

[hearty panther]

i use them for everything

[oak plinth]

The stab with whatever mark of helbore has it is really good, it has ridiculous rending and stagger

I think it can poke mutants out of their charge and stagger ragers hard

[ancient path]

oh thats cool

[tall torrent]

Only rager stagger, cannot stop mutants

[wind grotto]

yeah it would be hilarious if it stopped mutants but sadly it does not

[oak plinth]

Ah I must be misremembering then

[wind grotto]

still really good to get some distance on ragers if you have an oh shit moment and get jumped though

[tall torrent]

No “ridiculous rending” either

[oak plinth]

My buddy uses it a lot

[wind grotto]

I really love the helbore but I think it needs a lot more love with how much love the other guns are getting now

[oak plinth]

Well it does legit damage instead of being a slap away hit to get distance

[wind grotto]

yeah it does a chunky hit and gets you distance

if it's just one or two ragers you can just stab them to death easily

[oak plinth]

Yeah it really needs something more to make it a better option

Especially as a class exclusive weapon it would be nice if it was better

[fading yarrow]

Pardon me - is there some sort of repository with all the cosmetics in the game, datamined and otherwise?

[tame lodge]

Not picking ammo

[iron marten]

I love not worrying about ammo

[ancient path]

isnt that just the shtick of las guns?

in general

[austere mica]

You have to actually try to deplete the ammo on a helbore

[iron marten]

you can go full games without picking up ammo with them, assuming you run the perk that doesn't use ammo on crit with lasguns

[pseudo fiber]

What melee do you even use with helbore

[tawny timber]

bayonet

[pseudo fiber]

truuuue

[ancient path]

kantreal infantry las hits kinda hard; dont think i need executioners for it.

[fading yarrow]

Just completed a Damnation STG Rolling Steel with 0.20 seconds to spare

[pseudo fiber]

Not even close.

the 53rd could have stepped on the train to clean up afterwards

[pallid dew]

Need a better gun than what I'm using can't decide

[pseudo fiber]

Pick literally

any other one

like look at the entire list

[pseudo fiber]

Switch that to the vraks mk5

[pallid dew]

This is what I'm currently using

Wait a minute....

If I spam special attacks and get kills from it

This is pretty good right?

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately bloodthirsty is not worth it for chainsword above heresy

Rev TTK is too long for anything u’d use rev attack for

[pallid dew]

Damn.

[errant carbon]

The fuck just happened

[pallid dew]

Still using this trash

Really don't know what to invest into

[errant carbon]

What ranged weapons do you like using

[pallid dew]

Like I know plasma is really op

I started liking the infantry autogun because it's a good horde clearer and sometimes good elite killer

Bolt gun is mad satisfying but reload is too long

I don't like reloading a lot but that's because my melee sucks

I haven't gotten the power cycler perk yet

[errant carbon]

With Infantry Autogun use a melee that's good against Carapace, with Bolter or Plasma Gun use a melee that's good against hordes and mobile enough to close and kill with regular shooters more often

[pallid dew]

How good is the recon lasgun?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d799ecb-e636-48b3-b088-df38d767c119/recon-lasgun-jeficus

Saw this build on YouTube and looks really good

[errant carbon]

Pretty good. Not the most overpowered but decently strong and easy to use

Recon Lasgun in general I mean

[pallid dew]

But then I'd like a build that can kill bosses quickly too

[errant carbon]

I'd probably recommend the fast recon lasgun then, without deadshot and all the Stamina stuff he's using to feed it in that build

[tame lodge]

Needs more changes

It's sort of bad

[pallid dew]

What's the best melee weapon for horde clearing then?

[tall torrent]

Combat axe (III, V)

[errant carbon]

Devil's Claw sword, Heavy Sword (needs attack speed talent to be worthwhile on Vet IMO), or Combat Axe (needs Brutal Momentum to be good against hordes)

[hollow ibex]

definitely not dclaw (sadly

i'm a big dclaw fan but its dps is just kinda sad

[errant carbon]

Good enough for chaff but it does lean hard on Parry for elites

[hollow ibex]

it's fine for groaners and shit

but it gets really awkward when bruisers start showing up

[crimson sparrow]

You know, I know voice of command is great but there's something so satisfying to hit executioners stance and dome 3 snipers and 4 tox bombers in 5 seconds.

[sick marsh]

still getting used to the plasma gun but am enjoying it

[umbral parrot]

It's so damn good. Can't go wrong with Plasma

[sick marsh]

not really a veteran player, but it's nice to have something other than Ogryn

but of variety, and extra pennances and melk bucks

[crimson sparrow]

Learning to not ads on plasma took some getting used to.

[flint lake]

Shout is a crutch

[umbral parrot]

Halpt

WHAT is a good Hellbore without Surgical and Weight of Fire?

[flint lake]

I’m a paraplegic

[sick marsh]

just cheesed the untouchable pennance on my first mission with my new setup without even realising, it was only an auric heresy but it was also a sniper vent purge so nothing too shabby.

[umbral parrot]

Like, what's a blessing that's decent? I'm looking at ArmourBane and maybe....No Respite? Not sure how Stagger works on this.

[errant carbon]

I played Zealot too long and the brainrot has made me unable to play a ranged character, seems like I can only play melee vet now

[umbral parrot]

Any good explanation on how this works?

[tame lodge]

No such thing exists

[umbral parrot]

Might use that.

[umbral parrot]

Try me.

Might go Armor Bane then.

[tame lodge]

Surgical Weight of Fire gaming

[tame lodge]

Get the mk5

Faster shooting

[umbral parrot]

Naaah, i just need something to take out bosses

Weapon Specialist. My first shot needs to hit the hardest for that 100% crit

[crimson sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pathetic-nolan-grayson-omni-man-invincible-pity-gif-20908860

[tame lodge]

Surgical WoF will do that

[umbral parrot]

NVM

Going with double ARmor Bane

[tame lodge]

Well get the mk5 then

Fast firing

[umbral parrot]

Yea nvm, Helbore Lasgun sounds boring now.

Going back to Kantreal IX

[shrewd pilot]

newish player here, whats the best statline & perk/blessing setup for plasma gun?

[tame lodge]

🫡

[somber onyx]

https://youtu.be/snKJPEVbQoE?si=uFUMtLnJ2gtyzNAw

[tame lodge]

Anyways Surgical Weight of Fire gaming

[umbral parrot]

Yea, it 100% is.

Just trying to find something to spice things up.

I'm kinda crazy like that. Like having Weakspot Damage on my Power Sword. >:3

It's great!

[somber onyx]

I cant figure out the helbore, it just feels so shitty to use

[umbral parrot]

It's aight.

[tame lodge]

71 charge
69 thermal

[umbral flume]

What's the "dump" stat on hellbores? Ammo?

[tall torrent]

stability

[queen fox]

Stab because 90% of the time you are charging shots which gives time to reaim after recoil

[pseudo fiber]

I do want to say very well put together
Wording is clear and consise explains everything very well.

[shrewd pilot]

ty gamers

[hollow ibex]

i just realized you're now explaining the rationale behind perks/blessings, that's pretty cool

[sick marsh]

should I prioritise thermal resistance or charge rate?

if I can only find one or the other

[sick marsh]

well, I mean it's nice not to just say, kills shit faster or does stuff better every time.

[bleak tendon]

This class is painful to level up

[tall torrent]

If u are broke, dump thermal resist and max charge rate

[sick marsh]

ehhh, vet was my very first class. it's only so bad. just grizz your way to level 30 and then you can focus on all the fun.

[hollow ibex]

gets much better once you get voice of command

still prob a bit easier than say, psyker

[sick marsh]

I'll keep looking for the perfect one...

[tall torrent]

Steam version is not just a port, also an upgrade

[hollow ibex]

yeah i thought you were just porting it

so that's cool

[tall torrent]

I also have weapons’ handling stats listed

[hollow ibex]

like the recoil stats or something?

[tall torrent]

No, mobility and stuff

Dodge distance, sprint speed, stamina, etc

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah that'd be helpful too

[tall torrent]

Recoil is hard to “quantify”

I could try to make gifs for them

But DT doesn’t have predictive recoil for weapons

[tawny timber]

wait what

how

[sick marsh]

veteran guide, tells you which weapons suck.
psyker guide, brain achingly mathematical
ogrynomicron, inviting and friendly (also rock)

I'm still surprised you didn't call the vet guide the Infantryman's Primer or some shit like that.

[regal ocean]

Weapon guide: You need only thr faith in the emperor because the traitor cultists weapons are as flimsy as their morals!

[queen fox]

Hasn't this game been datamined? Shouldn't there be some recoil modifier value to read?

[tall torrent]

Recoil stats are not “visually comprehensible”

If I tell u view kick, gun kick and recenter speed

It’s not exactly easy to picture how the gun’s recoil actually kicks

[tall torrent]

Nah, mine is much more in-depth than just “if this is good”

[queen fox]

Yeah the blessing and talent descriptions are much better than in-game

So much better

[tall torrent]

I think mine is prob the most in-depth of any comprehensive class guide yet

[queen fox]

I'm 90% certain fatshark wrote it in swedish and used google translate

[tall torrent]

The steam port version currently had 15 sections for game mechanics & terminology

It could be more

[sick marsh]

yeah I know, but it certainly has a whole focus on the "if this is good"

[tall torrent]

I don’t think so

[sick marsh]

ehh, vets I find are kinda the most meta concerned group

zealots are a buncha weirdos that spam anime gifs and stuff...

[tall torrent]

Because veteran’s buildcraft is very straightforward

[sick marsh]

psykers are a buncha math breakpoints nerds

[tall torrent]

Nah lol

Psyker is the least breakpoint orientated class

Veteran is the most breakpoint orientated class

[sick marsh]

I mean have you seen their damned guide...

[tall torrent]

Yes, it’s not about breakpoints lol

[sick marsh]

breakpoints maybe not, lota numbers.

so are psykers just nerds then?

[tall torrent]

Psyker has very few breakpoints to think about

Veteran is pretty much all about breakpoints outside of automatic weapons

[sick marsh]

fair, I was wrong to categorise classes. tbh overall most groups are largely chill. except the zealot players are just... do I even

[tall torrent]

Zealot is super simple in terms of builds

There’s 1 good build

And then u pick keystone

[queen fox]

Every build is fun tho

[sick marsh]

hit things, shoot things, and religion gives u strength.

Ogryn's like that, hit things, shoot things, protect things.

[queen fox]

Rock

[sick marsh]

ROCK

I love the rock.

[tall torrent]

Zealot really is just 1 good build

[sick marsh]

zealot's tree has the least variety allowing for no particularly distinct playstyles.

[queen fox]

Yeah but all of them are fun, melee in darktide is great

[tall torrent]

You can have a lot of solid melee choices, but there’s just 1 build

Veteran’s melee choices are far more limited but the talent tree is more expansive

[tame lodge]

💀

[tall torrent]

I wish veteran had more good melee weapons

I don’t mean new ones

[sick marsh]

veteran is a lot more, you can do this but it's gonna cost you elsewhere

[tall torrent]

Buff the older ones

[queen fox]

I mean isn't powersword still one of the best?

[hybrid island]

I don't want to play PS for all my life

[queen fox]

Powersword mk6 seems to me like the highest potential dmg and utility of any melee weapon in game rn

Just takes skill and knowledge to use to its full effect which is great

[sick marsh]

I like the power sword, only weakness is that I'm lazy and don't enjoy turning it on constantly.

[queen fox]

Not like ds4 which is just an ez win weapon

[tall torrent]

I want more than a few good melee weapons on veteran

[tall torrent]

Nah, it’s really easy & boring

[queen fox]

Compared to other weapons, it takes the most skill and knowledge and rewards it the most

[tall torrent]

Nah

[queen fox]

What would you say does that better?

[tall torrent]

As funny as it sounds, combat axes take more skill and reward more

What’s skillful about power sword

You do one combo over and over for 90% enemies in the game

[queen fox]

Mk6 specifically

Not mk3

[tall torrent]

Yea

You do the same exact combo for 90% of enemies in the game

Only PA + L4 combo for single target

Which you aren’t gonna use outside of carapace, bulwarks & bosses

[hybrid island]

What is the combat axe combo

[tall torrent]

What’s skillful here

[tall torrent]

PA + light mix

Yk what makes it better
Power sword takes almost no talent investment

Combat axe at least cares about melee talent spec

Combat axe at least cares about which attack to throw in which situation

[queen fox]

Thus is true, powersword doesn't need any other than maybe the +10% melee dmg

Not sure if the crusher 2h breakpoint is still ez without it

[tall torrent]

It’s very easy to reach

[queen fox]

Ik I'm not sure if it's easy because of that or not

[tall torrent]

It’s just a really boring weapon

Boring because it has zero tradeoff in talent choices

Boring because it’s the same monotonous combo almost all the time

[white minnow]

and the stagger

[hybrid island]

Pushing or PA every a few swings is not really combo, if something Achlys would be more technical

[tall torrent]

Combat axe at least has to think about which attack to use because it’s not light spam on everything

It’s especially noticeable vs ragers because you have to burn stamina for stagger and you can just blow up from 1 mistake

Combat axe doesn’t cleave enough to stop everything in front of the player from attacking

It’s still a very easy weapon don’t get me wrong, it just has a bit more thinking than power sword

[umbral parrot]

Axe can't stab tho

[hybrid island]

I can only think of PS3 which you can pass by spamming light. Even though I'd still mix heavy to clear hordes. PS6 only does light on stuff you can light with Rashad as well

And it's a weapon which cripples your leg with the charge interruptible by slightest tickle at the moment

[white minnow]

200iq run exe's stance and activate it for stagger immunity

[tall torrent]

Mk6 power sword doesn’t need to use heavy attacks at all

It’s strictly light spam for most situations

[forest breach]

^^

[tall torrent]

Dodge distance is basically the only drawback on it which is really not hard to manage, it’s at best an annoyance

[hybrid island]

So basically PS6 lights on everything Rashad lights, PAs on what Rashad heavies and just pull the gun on what Rashad might consider PAing

I don't see a mile's difference in them in this way

[tall torrent]

Rashad costs more talent points to run in builds and has a little bit more thinking

[strange patrol]

which is the best gun for shooting lots of bullets often without being too weak overall, other than recon lasgun. lasers just aren't as satisfying as bullets.

[terse idol]

Columnus iag

[strange patrol]

what would a build for it look like?

[midnight totem]

I use power sword mk6 heavies to one shot ragers and muties

And one shot gunners

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[sudden elm]

is there a good build using double barrel shotgun

[austere mica]

Yes

Weapon spec

[worldly pulsar]

Weapon spec DB is so fun

[hollow ibex]

yeah weapon spec DB is pretty much the way to go if you want to do DB

[sudden elm]

is there a build i can see?

[sudden elm]

power sword for melee im assuming

i wana use my jolly rancher shotgun

[radiant chasm]

Kinda but you’ll have weird downtime waiting for activation

I prefer shovel or rashad

[sudden elm]

is there a build i can see for double barrel though

[hollow ibex]

i run something like this

[sudden elm]

which shovel(i dont use it

[hollow ibex]

i run it with DS

[radiant chasm]

No ammo reserve boost and no survivalist feels bold

[hollow ibex]

don't need either

[stoic thorn]

AURIC DAMNATION TIME

[hollow ibex]

and i'm firing constantly throughout the game to proc WS

[radiant chasm]

I do but im over juggling

[hollow ibex]

i rarely take surv now these days

[radiant chasm]

Maybe i just get greedier teams

[hollow ibex]

well DS helps

i get first pick of the ammo most of the time lol

[radiant chasm]

Yea but duelist is so giga busted

[hollow ibex]

could also go right top for more movement speed

[sudden elm]

i love using shotgun so ima need survivalist

[radiant chasm]

I use shovel cause it has uncanny without being stupidly strong

[hollow ibex]

so you can pick up the ammo even faster

[radiant chasm]

Sirosky is right you dont need it

And you dont just use shotgun

You juggle

[hollow ibex]

surv is gonna be a bit hard with DB

because you absolutely need agile engagement

[sudden elm]

i like pewing with bullets

[radiant chasm]

Between melee and ranged

[hollow ibex]

if you're going for a WS build

[radiant chasm]

Never felt like it did much, i already had the rager breakpoints

[hollow ibex]

it's to one shot bulwarks for me

but agile engagement is pretty much a must take with a WS build anyway

[sudden elm]

which shovel(i dont use it

[hollow ibex]

since it's such a damn strong talent

[hollow ibex]

prob mk1

[rigid schooner]

Hot take, but trying to use weapon spec to "avoid" having to reload double barrel is a waste of time

[radiant chasm]

Ice cold

Who let you cook?

It’s not just the reload, it’s the guaranteed crit

Proccing manstopper every time

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's a virtuous cycle of 3 melee kills, and then manslaughtering a bunch of heretics, then 3 melee kills again

[radiant chasm]

If you need two shots you can just do a double juggle and then swap to shotgun

[hollow ibex]

so on and so forth

i do take double barrel as well anyway

[radiant chasm]

Yee or 1 melee kill, swap swap, 3 melee kills, blast

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d67f64e-5960-41d8-bb1f-6e991d65ea76/main-character-syndrome-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[radiant chasm]

Why scattershot with wspec?

And recip as well i feel you can sub in flechette or deathspitter

[orchid hemlock]

I prefer to only need to kill once to proc a guarantee crit

it's up to you, but u might not always have reci or the WS stacks up

if flechette procs WS even after you switch out, it might be worth

[crimson sparrow]

Amazing

I wish I had more load out slots

[hollow ibex]

there's a mod for that

[orchid hemlock]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/209

[radiant chasm]

It does

Any kills made with your melee out count iirc

I could be wrong tho

Or thinking about a different talent

[crimson sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/amazed-shock-gif-4983320

[strange patrol]

just left a mission with someone taking every ammo at over 95%, not a very fun veteran experience. you would assume that doesn't happen in Auric

[orchid hemlock]

depends

when im doing 50% of the team's damage I take everything

[strange patrol]

yeah but you're not taking ammo at 99% ammo

[hollow ibex]

was he a gunlugger

[strange patrol]

and dying at every corner

[rigid schooner]

If you make a 6th character, and then uninstall or the mods breaks, are they just gone?

[orchid hemlock]

i have no idea, but I assume if you reinstall the mod they come back

[rigid schooner]

Play inf lasgun or the light helbore. And never need to pick up ammo ever

You won't be doing damage, sure, but no ammo issues!

[orchid hemlock]

ammo isn't really that much of a problem on vet unless you are using plas/bolt

[rigid schooner]

I'm curious if the inventories are retained too

[orchid hemlock]

loadouts dont do anything to your inventory

[rigid schooner]

Heavy hellebore likes to eat it up a bit imo

[rigid schooner]

Characters

[radiant chasm]

Inflas, no damage

Power creep brain

[rigid schooner]

I either need to shoot a bruiser in the body 3x, or I headshot him and overkill

That's my experience tbh

Oh and recoil sends your reticle flying around

[orchid hemlock]

ILAS has nasty headshot damage if u can land them

they also have very high modifiers for maniacs

[rigid schooner]

I just find it has a high skill demand for low reward

Playing the same way with hellbore accomplishes more and is more fun imo

[hollow ibex]

ilas can be fun

not a fan of the helbores at all

[radiant chasm]

Ilas got power crept but it’s still good fun

[hollow ibex]

the draw time and charge combination 🤮

[radiant chasm]

Like both the middle one and the fast firing one is completely fine

The one i legitimately support is the slow firing one (formerly mk12, now im too lazy to look up the new designation)

It takes too much investment to surpass what the next one below can do with bare minimum investment

Build your entire talent tree around oneshots or build what you want and 2 shot with more ammo and faster firing rate

[rigid schooner]

Draw time absolutely demands taking one motion, and you need to learn into using bayonet at times but the charge is fine. Most of the time you're taking a moment to transition to another target in that fraction of time anyway

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah i tested it with OM

i just don't like the charge

[rigid schooner]

Release to fire can feel very strange to some but it's fine for me

[hollow ibex]

yup it's mainly just clashing with my muscle memory

i wished i could make HBs work

it's the same reason why i don't use weapons with horde clear of H1>L2

[wind grotto]

the hellbore is the only reason I have fullauto installed

because I sure don't like manually charge clicking that much

[grand perch]

thats a weird gun to need full automod for

[hollow ibex]

weird i thought full auto doesn't work well with helbore 🤔

[rigid schooner]

Honestly it really is terrible with it

[wind grotto]

I don't use the ilas at all but it makes the charge process automatic

[grand perch]

i use it for the fastest firing ilas exclusively

[wind grotto]

so it makes the hellbore feel a little better in auric

and then you can just toggle it off if you don't need it

[rigid schooner]

I find it more important to release a shot exactly where and when you need

[orchid nova]

You can do that too

I find having the option for both to be useful

Sometimes you just need to rock and roll, sometimes you don't

[lean bloom]

I dont understand the new crafting

[hollow ibex]

what part of it?

[lean bloom]

i expend loots of money and I just get a 450 as maximum

[hollow ibex]

it's pretty intuitive once you get the ball rolling

[hollow ibex]

what mastery level are you for that weapon?

[lean bloom]

0

[loud belfry]

you gotta level up the mastery level to near max to be able to empower it to 500

[hollow ibex]

yeah 19

so either play the weapon or sacrifice greens of the same wep type

[lean bloom]

for every weapon I havent play?

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[lean bloom]

so 450 is the maximum?

[hollow ibex]

500 is

once you reach level 19 you can empower the weapon to 500 power

[lean bloom]

oh

[hollow ibex]

level 19 mastery of that weapon, specifically

[lean bloom]

its the new duel sword good?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[rigid schooner]

Yeah, but I'd say save it for later

[hollow ibex]

it's not new, but just made available for vets too (was psyker exclusive)

[lean bloom]

Ive been trying new things but I dont feel them as good as the power sword and plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

mk4 can 2-3 shot crushers on damnation

[austere mica]

Strongest weapon in the game

(for humans)

Its actually unfunny

[elder fiber]

unserious weapon

[hollow ibex]

i think rashad is still better but they're both def overtuned lol

[iron marten]

duelling swords just have insane single target damage lol

rashad is still better for horde clear tho, yeah

vastly better*

[hollow ibex]

well rashad also three shots crushers consistently

so slower than DS, but not much slower

[austere mica]

Well yeah it’s a bromentum weapon

[iron marten]

I think the dude that made a guide has a video of horde clear with rashad vs duelling swords

[austere mica]

It’s not even a contest I know

But on psyker

Who gives a damn

[iron marten]

true

[austere mica]

Flying off into the distance with DD mk5 DS and Anticipation

[iron marten]

I used the duelling swords for a while when they released on vet

then I went back to knife

[austere mica]

I can only morally justify DS on psyker

[iron marten]

ds on vet is just roleplaying

which I respect

it's also the same reason I run knife + helbore

[errant carbon]

Scruffy Loose Cannon with a fancy and obviously pilfered dueling sword that he's inexplicably an expert with is peak

[iron marten]

I agree

[gilded wraith]

I think the movement bonus and sprint bonus on the DS are also an issue.

[austere mica]

Not really

Knife has that better

DS just has insane damage and the best dodges

Its walk speed is hardly a problem

[gilded wraith]

Does the knife have better base sprint bonus?

[iron marten]

knife gets +%30 sprint when doing a heavy

[austere mica]

Heavy attack sprints

Fastest movement you can do without buffs

[gilded wraith]

If you're looking at whether a weapon is overpowered, why ignore one of the best defenses in the game?

[austere mica]

Dodges? I’m not

The dueling swords dodges are insane

[gilded wraith]

Movement speed

[austere mica]

Ds5 has the best dodges in the entire game out of every weapon

[hollow ibex]

dodges are more important in actual combat tbh

[austere mica]

(I think)

[austere mica]

Not a tbh

[hollow ibex]

knife movement speed nice, but not as impactful as DS having infinite dodges with agile lol

[austere mica]

Agile is mid

[hollow ibex]

and still great dodge without agile

[austere mica]

Bad habit central

[errant carbon]

Knife also has attack patterns to learn if you want to make the best use of it as an actual weapon. Dueling Sword is just click for hordes, hold for single targets ||can't talk too much shit here since I used the Mk15 Evis so much|| and even has a bonus instant-shitload-of-stagger button

[austere mica]

You can very easily manage DS dodges

[hollow ibex]

well yeah, but on the topic of dodges, it's worth mentioning

[austere mica]

It is

I just don’t like it

[hollow ibex]

that's fair

[errant carbon]

Daily reminder

[austere mica]

It will also destroy your ability to play the game

[iron marten]

yeah, pressing dodge everytime you mouse1 almost destroyed me

[rigid schooner]

That's why you need to play with the worst weapon in the game, the tac axe

[iron marten]

really, tac axe?

[somber adder]

Carpal Tunnel, the weapon

[iron marten]

technically, the wost melee weapon would be the mk4 helbore bayonet

the mkv and mk3a are the good stabby ones

[austere mica]

Wrong

I will not suffer tac axe slander

[rigid schooner]

Okay then

What does it excel at?

[tender pasture]

Tac axe is suffering

Unless you work in allied health

[austere mica]

Being fast and having innate crit

[rigid schooner]

How does it compare to other weapons that also excel at that?

[tender pasture]

Then it's your money maker

[austere mica]

Decent clear and damage

Fun combos

[rigid schooner]

How useful is what it excels at

[austere mica]

Good rager control

[austere mica]

It enables me having fun

[iron marten]

I'm just watching this unfold, as I hold my beloved melee tightly, the knife

[austere mica]

(And my broke ass DR setup)

[tender pasture]

It's fun but the ADMs don't sell the fantasy

It's a much worse knife or combat axe for most purposes

[rigid schooner]

It just sounds like the knife, but without the movement speed

[austere mica]

It’s between the two

Fast and good dodges

Decent horde clear

Decent single target

[rigid schooner]

So it doesn't excel at anything

[austere mica]

It does everything

[tender pasture]

Still pilled against the Mk 7

[rigid schooner]

It does nothing

[austere mica]

It’s one of two weapons with an innate crit mod

It also doesn’t need too

[tawny timber]

chad tacaxe vs soy knife

[tender pasture]

For the longest time its horde clear chain was cooked because one of the attacks had a slightly shorter range

[iron marten]

no, don't do this to me... I didn't slander the tac axe..

[tender pasture]

Was finally addressed a few patches ago

[tawny timber]

sigma tacaxe doesnt seek to be easily understood

[austere mica]

Tac axe is just a comfortable all rounder with a lean towards speed

Also has bromentum

[rigid schooner]

Okay and?
The freaking devil's claw kills better

[tender pasture]

Tac axe claims to be mysterious but just has social anxiety

[austere mica]

Wrong

Dclaw is worse at killing things

[tawny timber]

they are one in the same

[austere mica]

I say this as a dclaw supporter

Dclaw cannot get 4 bruisers a swing

[rigid schooner]

Counter be like

Solo 5 million ragers

[austere mica]

And still has a shit Cara adm

[austere mica]

Tac axe also does that

[tender pasture]

Tac axe is miserable against Carapace too

[austere mica]

PA and light spam (for mk2)

[rigid schooner]

Not before you die from hand explosion

[austere mica]

It’s not that bad

[austere mica]

Not really

[rigid schooner]

It is that bad

[austere mica]

It’s fine

[plush kernel]

I've been playing taxe all day for the past 3 days

[rigid schooner]

Knife you can at least use heavies

[tender pasture]

It's outstandingly mid against Cara

[austere mica]

I haven’t strained my hands playing this game in memory

[tender pasture]

Like yeah you eventually get the job done

[rigid schooner]

My condolences

[tender pasture]

But so does old age

[plush kernel]

Oh wait this is vet chat

[austere mica]

If you’re talking about on vet yeah it kinda sucks

But it enables some serious bullshit on zealot

[plush kernel]

Yea it's sick on zealot

[tender pasture]

That is crucial context

[iron marten]

honestly, if it gets the job done, I don't mind. It's a coop game after all, if someone is struggling against Carapace, then ofc I'll come in and help

[rigid schooner]

I specifically threw on a taxe on my vet sniper build to grind mastery, used it only for the occasional poxwalker, haven't redeemed a single mastery unlock, and sold it

[somber adder]

(I charge the Crusher and eat the Overhead with my face)

[iron marten]

(the dude you're helping also gets overheaded)

[tender pasture]

On Zealot I tried BM+Shred before switching to Headtaker (pre item rework)

[rigid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/block-this-overhead-block-overhead-dbfz-gif-21597355

[tawny timber]

the strat pro darktiders dont want you to know

[iron marten]

hey now, charger overhead will proc my until death, but at least I now have max stacks of martyrdom!!!

[somber adder]

(Teamwork!)

[plush kernel]

The trick is to dodge towards your teammate so the overhead hits them instead 👍

[tender pasture]

I remember backing out of a room as a Crusher was doing a sliding overhead

Teammates rushed into the room

[austere mica]

I actually do this btw

[tender pasture]

Three pancakes

[austere mica]

Free 50% melee damage

[iron marten]

I got overheaded through a wall, because I dodged behind the door into the wall, but the crusher just locked in through it so lmao

[tender pasture]

What's your tac axe perk/blessing/talent setup on zealot

Marty or crit

[rigid schooner]

Anyway, tac axe is just any other option, but worse and boring

Checkmate aethist

[iron marten]

I'd probably have more fun with a tac axe than rashad tbh

[austere mica]

Fight god and win

[austere mica]

So yes

[tender pasture]

I feel like a caricature when I use the tac axe

[austere mica]

Rashad is slow and boring

[rigid schooner]

It kills things though

[tender pasture]

Like I'm larping a native American brave or something

[iron marten]

idk, I'm of the opinion that rashad is the most boring melee weapon

more boring than the power sword lmao

[austere mica]

Womp womp so does power sword

[rigid schooner]

Reliable is boring

[austere mica]

Doesn’t stop me from hating both

[tender pasture]

Huh, no BM?

[austere mica]

Nope

I run a back pocket flamer for emergencies

[plush kernel]

I use ht bm

[rigid schooner]

Power sword kills your mobility, damage isn't it's problem

[austere mica]

But it totally works without BM

[tender pasture]

Gonna go try later

[iron marten]

can't wait to see how the two handed power swords on zealot will be like

[tender pasture]

Maybe HT BM for marty and HT Shred for crit

[rigid schooner]

I wonder what vet is getting

Also I wonder how much it's going to break mods

[austere mica]

That setup stacks 80% TDR btw

[plush kernel]

I have never used marty

[iron marten]

pls give vet plasma pistol, I beg fatshark

[austere mica]

Nothing! (Hooray)

[tender pasture]

Martyrdom is hella fun on chainaxe

[austere mica]

Except maybe a base PS rework

[rigid schooner]

Freaking crosshair hud loves to turn off randomly and force you to restart the game

[tender pasture]

The good mark not the shit one

[plush kernel]

Which ones the shit one

The newer one?

[tender pasture]

Yeah

Not the Mk 4

[plush kernel]

I've only used the newer one during the first week of its release

[tender pasture]

Ok tbf it's not shit, it's just not what I want when I use chainaxe

[plush kernel]

Think that was with orthus?

[rigid schooner]

Honestly it's really pissing me off because it usually takes me a moment to realize it's gone and then I feel too invested to leave the mission

[tender pasture]

Yeah been rawdogging the game because I was too lazy to update mods

I miss custom hud the most, being able to center things like a proper hud

Instead of having to look down to check buff icons

[hollow ibex]

i do like how the lights shred shit

but not a fan of the horde clear on heavies

[tender pasture]

Yeah attack speed is very good because the chainaxe double dips

Faster swing and faster shred animations

Horde clear with PA+heavies is solid but nowhere neae the goats

People recommend Thrust, but I personally reckon that works best on Zealot with their ability to force a crit right after a revved axe touches an enemy

Slaughterer + HT is the better generalist

[ionic bear]

vets whats the word on power sword
like ideal talent and stats
im guessing rampage + recycler and try to get 80% finesse

[stable socket]

i think it's sunder/brutal momentum for the second blessing (at least according to the pinned guide)

[iron marten]

^

Power Cycler is also essential

[ionic bear]

sunder and brutal momentum?
arent the heavies kinda slow

[iron marten]

For the mk6 psword, you just use light attacks

The only times I used heavy on it was accidental

[ionic bear]

so sunder is just out the question

[iron marten]

Sunder is mainly for the mk3 psword

Cause its main horde clear are heavies

[ionic bear]

so then is brutal momentum > rampage

[iron marten]

Yeah, cause it has infinite cleave for the first 4 enemies, if the attack one shots them at weakspot

Which energized power swords do for most enemies

[tawny timber]

is there a mod that makes the ammo counter show the actual amount of shots left for lasgun

or is that possible

[tall torrent]

don’t think there is

I can tell u the ammo cost per shot for each las weapon tho

[tawny timber]

what is it for the infantry lasguns

[tender pasture]

It's not wrong to use heavies on the runup, but the optimal dps cycle is three lights on the Mk 6

[drowsy aspen]

Why did they do that on the lasguns

Why not make the ammo more easily divisible

By which I mean

Not require math at all lol

[frank ledge]

Veteran is a math class

[drowsy aspen]

Mmmmmmmm

[frank ledge]

Darcy once said that the only difference between VoC vet and zealot is we know our numbers

[drowsy aspen]

It doesn't have to be

Well- I'd like to know those numbers some day, ultimately

[frank ledge]

Ye it's fatshark been fatshark

It may make sense on hellbore

but that's about it

[drowsy aspen]

And Plasma!

...not really plasma tho

[frank ledge]

ye plasma could do with a normal ammo counter

[drowsy aspen]

Ye

One click equals one shot

...I could see some justification on Plasma actually

Since it kinda nerfs Survivalist if ammo isn't 1:1

But you're telling me the veteran doesn't get effective ammo recycling on their infantry lasgun?

Madness

[grand perch]

Your remaining ammo with ilas and shock trooper is: probably enough

[drowsy aspen]

Honestly I'm bad enough with headshots that I've had significant problems