veteran-class

[vapid nacelle]

it fires so quickly and it's consuming 0.25 on every single shot

[tall torrent]

No

Unless u run deadshot

Which is really just not worth running in 95% situations

[slim urchin]

assuming uou have the frit ammo talent more ammo more dps

[tall torrent]

Due to crit string behaviour, %crit chance is more than u think

[slim urchin]

i assume you use shock trooper too

then crit chance surely is the play

[ripe totem]

I do

however I don't really run out of too much ammo

[vapid nacelle]

does reciprocity proc on dodging bullets btw

[ripe totem]

yeah

[vapid nacelle]

cool

[tall torrent]

Depends

It doesn’t proc from gunner & reaper shots

[vapid nacelle]

can I push this hypothetical walking death star build purely for recon damage further, at least realistically

[tall torrent]

Why do u need skirmisher

[ocean idol]

wait, infernus without headhunter?

[vapid nacelle]

which one is that again

I forget by name

[tall torrent]

Headhunter’s value with other crit chance talents & perks is not very high

[ripe totem]

bottom right

run you get 5% damage

[tall torrent]

Right side below onslaught

[vapid nacelle]

oh the sprint damage boost?

[tall torrent]

It’s really bad

[vapid nacelle]

just because there's nothing else that gave that much of a damage buff

lmao

[ocean idol]

Why?

[vapid nacelle]

not because it's good

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s genuinely awful

[ripe totem]

if fatshark made it so it'd work off a slide

then it'd be nice

but it doesn't

[tall torrent]

On avg it’s like 5% more crit with other crit talents & perks taken

Tested with power DI

[vapid nacelle]

the gun crits a bunch anyway

[tall torrent]

You decide if 5% more crit from a blessing is worth taking

[ripe totem]

I find aiming for weakspots with reconlas is just painful on average as well

[vapid nacelle]

like within the first second you're unloading into a bulky target you've probably gotten the 3 critical shots you need for max infernus

[ripe totem]

better to just spray into their chests and aim a little bit up if you want heads

[tall torrent]

Nah that’s not enough

It needs to be able to stack from any movement

[vapid nacelle]

I think that might be a little too strong

free 25% damage from doing anything

[tall torrent]

Can be lower damage

Make it like 3%/stack

But it needs to stack from any movement

[vapid nacelle]

15% from doing anything

[tall torrent]

I don’t mind if it stacks slower

[ocean idol]

try heavy one

[ripe totem]

tried that, felt really bad

I think the las main gimmick is just it shoots really fast and crits really fast

[tall torrent]

Is quite good and considering that you pretty much give up one/both of the big damage nodes in middle/left bottom branches, it’s balanced

[ripe totem]

otherwise you'd use another weapon really

[vapid nacelle]

alright time to drag this likely awful build into auric mael

worst case scenario, in shovel I trust

oh god I just realized I have no grenade recovery.

this is gonna go well

[tall torrent]

Drop skirmisher for grenade regen ez

U could even drop onslaught

[vapid nacelle]

but my theoretically maximum possible damage :(

I am not dropping onslaught because shooting crushers to death is funny

[tall torrent]

You should see how often skirmisher is stacked up

[vapid nacelle]

even though I have a shovel fo those anyway

[tall torrent]

You have to sprint a full second to stack it once

[vapid nacelle]

hmm

[tall torrent]

If u sprint 0.95s and slide

You don’t get stack

[vapid nacelle]

I should record this match and go through it and see how much of the game it's active lol

[tall torrent]

You need to sprint another full second to stack it

[vapid nacelle]

don't get me wrong I fully believe you when you say it's bad

however biggest number

at all costs

[tall torrent]

Take rending strikes then

[ocean idol]

Error 3001 slowly driving me insane

[vapid nacelle]

definitely not

[ocean idol]

fguckn hamster running servers

[vapid nacelle]

I have to keep this

this is definitely not realistic but I killed it before skirmisher expired

[tall torrent]

Peak psyker gameplan

[vapid nacelle]

oh god you're right this is just gunpsyker with a different coat of paint

and a shovel

[sudden elm]

is helbore's stab do more damage to the meaty

[tall torrent]

Compared to what

[sudden elm]

well other weapons that stab

[tall torrent]

What are the other weapons in question

[sudden elm]

i cleared a big horde jsut spamming special

[tall torrent]

Oh no don’t bother

[vapid nacelle]

alright I will return once I throw this match with this build 👍

[tall torrent]

Helbore bayonet’s cleave distribution is horrible

It’s basically only for single target

[sudden elm]

it feels like a shittier version of the billhook zealot has on vt2

[sudden elm]

not the way i felt it

[vapid nacelle]

lights out smelter complex

:(

[tall torrent]

u decide if losing ~80% of ur dmg after first target is good for horde clear

[sudden elm]

unless you mean for damage

eh stagger is stagger

[tall torrent]

Cleave is quite low for horde as well

[sudden elm]

damage doesnt mean anything if your deny there rights to move

[tall torrent]

Only 3

And it’s not like you stagger everything in front of u

[sudden elm]

thats how everything works

you dotn stagger everything infront of you

knowing very well thats not even what you mean

[tall torrent]

I don’t know what weapon you’re comparing to in terms of horde clear

Duelling sword?

[sudden elm]

what no

ig i worded it as if i was comparing it

i do need a actual horde clearer since im using helbore for special and elite sniping

[narrow frost]

rachad my beloved

[sudden elm]

and i think i might do duelling

pov the only dueling swords i kept that were worth it and they aint even worth it

well actualy

the right one is better of the two

kinda

[hollow ibex]

both are a waste of resources

[sudden elm]

yeah ik

but i need something to protect myself

and unless i go knife sicne thats what im used to duelling sword is the other option

[hollow ibex]

invest in a dclaw or shock maul

[tall torrent]

What build do u have

[sudden elm]

im lv 10

so rn im special and elite sniping and focusing on gettign ranged damage up for now

[tall torrent]

Oh

[sudden elm]

using a hellbore

[tall torrent]

Uh, use a horde clear melee

Knife and duelling sword aren’t really for horde clear

[sudden elm]

right im used to using knife with zealot

veteren cant really dodge and weave as easily

[tall torrent]

I can give u an easy comparison

[sudden elm]

im using helbore 4

[tall torrent]

Veteran knife needs the highest talent investment into melee compared to every other melee weapon

If u want to use it as a proper melee weapon, instead of smth u just run around with

[sudden elm]

devil's claw

[tall torrent]

Suck vs flak

[sudden elm]

i parry way to much anyways with devils claw if im using

[tall torrent]

This is not really true

They have similar base dodge stats

It’s only different when zealot has IJ stacks up

[sudden elm]

so they both have a lot of dodging perks

[tall torrent]

Dodge distance & speed is more weapon dependent

And dodge amount

[sudden elm]

juts gimmmie a good melee for a gun im using almsot soly for special and elite sniping

[tall torrent]

Chainsword?

[sudden elm]

that can deal with hordes

[tall torrent]

You have too few talent points to even be considering full builds rn

[tall torrent]

Yea, chainsword

Or heavy sword tbh

[sudden elm]

i like knowing what i needa get

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword is better

[sudden elm]

i just sac'd a very good heavy sword

[drowsy aspen]

Heavy Sword rules

[sudden elm]

how do i use heavy sword

[drowsy aspen]

That weapon is crazy

[tall torrent]

Deathblow blessing

[drowsy aspen]

When you can get the Mk... 9

That one might be the best

That one opens with a big overhead and from thereon does big sweeps

[sudden elm]

how do i use it

[drowsy aspen]

Spam heavies for hordes

Then alternate the special and the first heavy attack for tougher targets

[sudden elm]

visible pain why is si first target the dump stat i want that damage stat gone

[drowsy aspen]

You won't do much to Carapace

[sudden elm]

eh im special sniping

i pew pew them

[drowsy aspen]

Ye that's a good way to do it

[sudden elm]

keep or scrap

[hollow ibex]

defenses is the dump stat, so scrap

[tall torrent]

Are u new to Darktide

Cuz if u have no resources whatsoever

And you just need to lvl up

It’s usable

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah if you're not 30 yet then it doesn't really matter lol

[sudden elm]

im just poor on cash i had to level up my thunder hammer on zealot to 500 power

and a few weapons on ogryn

[tall torrent]

Use it for levelling up

Scrap when you’re high enough lvl

[sudden elm]

whats the dump stat for horde clearing focused heavy sword

[tall torrent]

Defences

[sudden elm]

a im blind as shit

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword only has 1 dump stat and it’s defences

[sudden elm]

im used to seeing anything but defense on weapons

fyi im an ogryn main not a veteren idk if you couldnt tell

[austere mica]

It’s still defenses on ogryn as well

[vapid nacelle]

the walking deathstar certainly works

[outer igloo]

I will walk 2 hours to the Fatshark offices and sit there and beg for the veteran class to get a hellgun. God, the hellgun is just so fucking cool

[austere mica]

The Backpack Problem continues

[vapid nacelle]

heavy sword is a horde clear weapon isnt it

[outer igloo]

I mean maybe they could just make it so backpacks are incompatible with the hellgun?

I don't fucking know, I just want them. Like a little child wishing for the impossible

[drowsy aspen]

Ye, but you can get good damage into anything but a Bulwark or a Crusher too

[vapid nacelle]

I just need it for horde clear for this build

[drowsy aspen]

Deathblow + Headtaker gets you an absolutely beastly weapon

I used to run rending on it, but people seem to think that's just okay :/

[errant carbon]

Hellguns are cool as fuck (see avatar) so of course GW renamed it the Hot Shot Lasgun

[drowsy aspen]

Which is sad

[errant carbon]

They also don't necessarily need to have a backpack ammo supply, at least if the Dark Heresy RPG line is anything to go by.

[remote sonnet]

There is a more common weapon in the Guards that I would like to see before we get bigger and rare stuff, like the grenade launcher.

[ripe totem]

ok so the crit damage actually feels better than maniac damage

just because crit damage seems to work on everyone and you crit like crazy anyway

[errant carbon]

Weapon rarity in lore is no object. Brunt has access to unlimited Force Weapons after all

[ripe totem]

I think it also makes infernus procs do more

[errant carbon]

But yeah, a Grenade Launcher would be neat. And the Melta Gun of course. How many of these things have existed in the game files since launch?

[remote sonnet]

Long barrel DB shotgun

Like basic skin are based around base weapon mark/model. Brunt shotgun skin remodel it into long barrel, so that version is planned somewhere.

[tall torrent]

Nah, the value is very low

Because of how crit finesse bonuses are calculated

[white minnow]

and +25% dmg v.s. armor perks are better than expected because they go into their own bin and are multiplicative against the usual damage buffs

[fading yarrow]

I am so mad right now

AuDamn Maelstrom Comms-Plex

We had a guy who kept running around and getting himself trapped

He did again then left

Then I got kicked for NO REASON when we were right at the end of the mission

[tall torrent]

No? They’re the same +damage that stacks additively with other +damage buffs

[white minnow]

damn

should've cross checked what crab told me then

[tall torrent]

Damage vs armor
Damage vs enemy group
Damage
Close damage

Are all additive

[merry coral]

brother what are you doing in auric mal

Gotta be the worst team I ever had, Hunting grounds, they kept running around solo and get downed my dogs again and again

[white minnow]

it seems pretty multiplicative to me, testing w/ sustained assault on zealot and comparing w/ +carapace and w/o +carapace against a crusher
493 damage w/o +carapace on a particular attack w/ sustained up (and whatever unconditional damage nodes i've taken). No keystone or any other conditional damage talent to fuddle with the results.
and 616 w/ carapace

616/493 is 1.2494... or approx 1.25

[tall torrent]

Imma check in a bit

[orchid hemlock]

@narrow frost we have come full circle 😔

[steady wolf]

Do bleed ticks still apply Onslaught stacks?

[tall torrent]

Yea ur right, just checked

I think +damage vs enemy group is additive though

Gonna check +10% elite

[steady wolf]

nvm

FUCK

[white minnow]

+10% elite should be additive (blame crab if i'm wrong)

[tall torrent]

Yea elite is additive

So damage vs armor is the only multiplicative part

[white minnow]

really makes you think

[serene bough]

the hard carry

what a legend

[tall torrent]

fixed, thanks for pointing it out

[remote sonnet]

I'm running some guns with +damage vs manic because they are way more annoying than crusher/mauler.

[vapid nacelle]

@tall torrent I tried to hold onto it for the memes but skirmisher really does suck :(

[tall torrent]

Yea

[vapid nacelle]

on another note

this run happened the run AFTER I got rid of skirmisher lmao

it's a clear sign

[serene bough]

you unironically used skirmisher?

[tall torrent]

only 9 material pickups?

[serene bough]

thats crazy

[steady wolf]

10% melee speed is always better than skirmisher?

[vapid nacelle]

it was for the 10k boss dps recon meme

[serene bough]

yeah, absolutely

[vapid nacelle]

it was not worth it

[merry coral]

I just came across a vet with plasma and marksman focus

I'm confused

and onslaught

[vapid nacelle]

also was with heavy sword

it was neat

but back to shovel because I felt the lack of stagger

[merry coral]

I eally love the heavy sword but boy it struggles ugainst crushers

[vapid nacelle]

this build has no issue with crushers which is why I used it

but I got caught in a bad situation

and even though I got out of it

I didn't realize just how survivable things were with the shovel until I dropped it for a moment

[merry coral]

Which mark are you using btw ?

the shovel, I mean

[vapid nacelle]

1

[merry coral]

Hmm, I never used it

[vapid nacelle]

it's the veteran holy grail in my book

[remote sonnet]

It is my main melee for Vet

It is like combat axe, but somewhat faster

[vapid nacelle]

any weapon that I can get away with having 80% mobility is gonna be great to me but Mk I shovel is so, so good

[remote sonnet]

The mk1 special is very quick and stag the enemy, unlike most weapons.

[vapid nacelle]

the comfy moveset, the horde stagger, the ability to stagger ragers maulers and crushers

[fiery ledge]

Ok so has anyone a good auric build i need ine

[vapid nacelle]

sure, do you care what it is

[remote sonnet]

The special is almost instantaneous

[vapid nacelle]

like do you care what style of play it is

or are you just looking for an auric ready build

[fiery ledge]

Im currently rocking a decent lasrecon if that helps

Amd i use shock maul but am happy to change it up if that helps

[vapid nacelle]

okay so just a good general use reconlas build

[fiery ledge]

It has infernus and dumdum( gona change this one)

[vapid nacelle]

this is what I have for recon at the moment, using Mk 1 Shovel

[fiery ledge]

But yeah

[vapid nacelle]

if you want more durability in exchange for less psychopath glass cannon

drop executioner's stance and opening salvo for shout and gold toughness on shout

[fiery ledge]

Ahhh so a kreigsman with an auto las🤣

[vapid nacelle]

shock maul probably works ok too if you like using it

just make sure your melee can handle hordes in a pinch and the melee's probably fine

infernus and dumdum on recon is good

[fiery ledge]

Yeah thats fair. Never used shovel i see everyone using ghem on damnation and the odd knife

[vapid nacelle]

Mk 1 shovel is just a really good weapon

It does everything you really need in a melee and more

It has good horde clear and control thanks to its stagger, it has rager mauler and crusher stagger and good damage into the latter 2, it has good maniac damage, it's got alright attack speed, it's a weapon that has both Mobility and Defences so you can keep 80% Mobility which is amazing, you really just can't go wrong with it

[fiery ledge]

What about curios?

[fiery ledge]

This makes alot of sense

[vapid nacelle]

Curios are going to be preferential in the end

I don't recommend my exact curio setup if you're just getting into aurics or are still relatively newer/casual to the game as a whole

but if you want it it's 2x toughness 1x stamina, with 3 combat ability regen, 3 stamina regen, 2 sprint efficiency and 1 +5% HP to avoid getting 2 shot by poxbursters

[fiery ledge]

Ahh gotcha

[vapid nacelle]

but that said

if you're newer or more on the casual side

[tall torrent]

Nah

[vapid nacelle]

you probably want to consider dropping some stamina or sprint for gunner resistance or whatever else it is people prefer

what else is it

sniper resist, tough %

[tall torrent]

Only staggers 1 rager, not really applicable vs waves

[vapid nacelle]

I forget

[vapid nacelle]

I'm going off my experiences so idk

works good for me

[tall torrent]

You can only stagger with special attack which only hits 1 rager

Heavy attacks can’t break combo without +stagger blessings

[vapid nacelle]

well I know that's definitely not true, I stagger ragers with heavy head shot all the time lol

[tall torrent]

That’s just not true

[vapid nacelle]

Idk what to tell you then

I've had no issues heavy staggering ragers in actual matches

[tall torrent]

It just doesn’t work

You cannot break an active combo

You can stagger if they’re not in a combo

[scenic oracle]

Test it in psykanium

[tall torrent]

I tested it, that’s why I know lol

[vapid nacelle]

oh no I trust your judgment but I'm confused

[scenic oracle]

Another reason to play ogryn is that he can stagger ragers no problem

[vapid nacelle]

because I have no issues staggering ragers mid combo with it for whatever reason

[tall torrent]

Try it with creature spawner

[vapid nacelle]

oh wait

It might be because of Decimator stacks

[tall torrent]

That sucks

[vapid nacelle]

how

I have that come into play all the time

[severe gale]

i think he’s saying decimator sucks

which

idk

decimator is plenty fine

[vapid nacelle]

Decimator sucks on the shovel???

???????????

WHAT

[tall torrent]

Decimator is awful, in general

[vapid nacelle]

it's a shovel

[tall torrent]

It’s just that shovel has no better choices

So you’re forced into using it

[vapid nacelle]

I mean yeah I can't argue with that

if it were headtaker I'd definitely be taking that over it

but like

I don't think Decimator sucks at all, it's perfectly usable, there's just other blessings that would outclass it if it were to have access to them

[severe gale]

shovel should get hsword headtaker

[tall torrent]

It’s usable and that’s about it

[vapid nacelle]

at the very least the Decimator description being a lie is a good thing

[tall torrent]

It stacks slow, drops stacks if u miss and has the shortest duration

Let’s say you need 5 decimator stacks to have enough +strength to break rager combo

That’s 5 attacks done beforehand to give u the stacks

[vapid nacelle]

and that's gonna be context dependent

[tall torrent]

Yea

[vapid nacelle]

so that's gonna be a blurry argument tbh

[tall torrent]

It’s just not really reliable

[vapid nacelle]

I already know how that plays out

[tall torrent]

Hence it sucks

[vapid nacelle]

but also like if there's a pack of ragers

I should probably be shooting them and not shoveling them

which I usually am lol

but still

[tall torrent]

There’re a lot of misconceptions about shovel

[vapid nacelle]

it still feels amazing to use lol

[tall torrent]

For one the horde clear is not that good

Secondly you don’t get to reliably stagger more than 1 rager

Veteran doesn’t have grievous wounds

It’s also got generally low finesse

[vapid nacelle]

It doesn't have to be power sword levels of horde clear to be good though

not that I'd ever use that sword

bleh

[tall torrent]

It’s not even close

[hollow ibex]

coping but i'm really feeling it 😭

[vapid nacelle]

hm

how good is good horde clear

[tall torrent]

I think <12s for 50 poxwalkers is good horde clear

In a meat grinder test

If you cannot kill them fast enough when they’re literally stacked on top of each other, you’d only get slower when they’re more spread out

[vapid nacelle]

I can agree with that

Alright then, it's alright horde clear

[tall torrent]

I can excuse slower horde clear speeds

If they’re particularly good at fighting elites

Or carapace

Or bosses

Or they have really high mobility like knife

Shovel has none of these

[vapid nacelle]

I mean it's not great at the first two but it's far from bad at it

[tall torrent]

Shovel is at like 14.7s for 50 poxwalkers (most of which is carried by 10 stacks of decimator)

That is not good horde clear

You then look at how it does vs elites

Cannot stagger more than one without pre-stacked blessings that affect stagger

Has to burn stamina to deal good damage vs maulers & crushers

Below average damage to unyielding

[vapid nacelle]

wait what

it uses stamina on maulers and crushers?

[tall torrent]

No special move speed going on

[serene bough]

today i learned OfB replenishes THP on shredder kills, thats crazy

[tall torrent]

PA

[vapid nacelle]

oh I just don't use that

didn't know I should

yeah I see it's stronger

idk I'm used to just heavying them lol

[tall torrent]

Oh then u just lose ~50% of ur dps vs single target

[vapid nacelle]

50%? push attack doesn't seem to swing that fast

hang on

the single target for crushers I'm guessing is just PA spam

or is it a specific combo

[tall torrent]

PA + light mix

[vapid nacelle]

how many lights usually

[tall torrent]

1~3

[flint lake]

Shovel has funny BONK

[drowsy aspen]

For a second I thought you were talking about the Ogryn shovel

You'd be a madman in that case lol

[tall torrent]

I didn’t check ogryn shovel’s clear speed but I know the fastest is Karsolas

Karsolas was ~9.2s for 50 pox

Shield is prob 2nd fastest? I got 10.8s

[vapid nacelle]

ah you're doing this with decimator and uncanny stacked up already

that's what I'm missing lol

[tall torrent]

Without, PA still hits much higher

I think it’s safe to assume 5 stack uncanny because it’s easy to stack & maintain

And then all ur “max potential” is with 10 decimator which is unreliable but whatever

[vapid nacelle]

Idk what exact build you have in that clip

[tall torrent]

Very standard set-up for mk1 shovel

[vapid nacelle]

but yeah I see the dps difference if it's already pre stacked

[tall torrent]

Carapace + flak
Decimator + uncanny

[vapid nacelle]

I don't have carapace on this one

but fair

Trying push attacks vs only lights in psykhanium without any preemptive stacks

I'm getting just over 800 dps with both

without focus target or carapace

[tall torrent]

I’m too lazy to change my shovel

But I got 1~1.3k dps on crusher

[vapid nacelle]

oh right I don't have the 10% attack speed on this build

I'm sure that's affecting things

[tall torrent]

You don’t really need it for shovel

Point is, it’s not nearly as good as people think it is

[vapid nacelle]

I can get that

I've kinda just chalked it up to being a good weapon that doesn't show super flashy numbers

and I mean

I guess in Darktide's current meta

yeah lol I can get your point for that one

[tall torrent]

It’s basically entirely carried by uncanny to “decent” status

[tall torrent]

For a weapon that makes “bonk” sounds it surely does very little stagger lol

[drowsy aspen]

Do you recall where the Mk. 4 knife stands? I know it's very very fast

[vapid nacelle]

damage wise yeah

[tall torrent]

I could check

What perk & blessing

[vapid nacelle]

I love how easy it is to survive with though for a weapon as decent as it is

[tall torrent]

It has no extra “survivability” function going on

No enhanced dodges or move speed

[vapid nacelle]

wdym notenhanced

seems like it's raising it to me

[tall torrent]

It’s very standard for melee weapons

You get 2% more dodge distance compared to other weapons that dump mobility

[vapid nacelle]

also

[tall torrent]

Only because you have defences to dump (which actually causes block efficiency to drop)

[vapid nacelle]

am I mistaken or

wasn't there a time that Shovel had 6 dodges instead of 5

[tall torrent]

Probably

Got nerfed

[vapid nacelle]

😔

shovel didn't deserve that

[tall torrent]

I remember it having +10% dodge distance

Not anymore for a long time

So now it’s just
“Uncanny strike” one trick

[vapid nacelle]

bring it back

bring back shovel glory

[remote sonnet]

I think it is a good middle ground of every other melee

[tall torrent]

Nah

I think shock maul generally does that job better

[remote sonnet]

Shock maul is quite a bit slower

[serene bough]

i remember when the shovel had good dodge

after they nerfed it i stopped using entirely

[tall torrent]

Not by much

[vapid nacelle]

I tried shock maul but reduced dodge distance and only 4 dodges makes me sad :(

[tall torrent]

Veteran generally has 3 kinds of builds

1. Knife
2. Rashad
3. Can’t afford Rashad

[vapid nacelle]

what about dueling sword

[tall torrent]

That’s in the “can’t afford Rashad” category

Because u don’t need attack speed

So u can afford more points into other things

The 3rd category has stuff like power sword, duelling sword, heavy sword as top performers

[vapid nacelle]

with how prevalent dueling sword is I would instinctively have given it a category of its own lol

but ye I get you

[tall torrent]

I don’t think shovel matters much in that category

Cuz it’s going against:

1. Budget Rashad
2. Knife but better
3. Rager blender 9000

[vapid nacelle]

I wish I could get away with max mobility on rashad

[tall torrent]

It’s only 2% dodge distance difference

[vapid nacelle]

but the 0.18 sprint speed :(

[tall torrent]

U could run Antax

[vapid nacelle]

Antax swings slower doesn't it

it doesn't have Finesse

[steep vault]

this is like...

[vapid nacelle]

ah well

[steep vault]

the 5th fucked up axe today

did pub players forget how to play axes

[tall torrent]

mainly heavy attack is notably slower

[misty lance]

guys

[tall torrent]

light atk not much different

[vapid nacelle]

Rashad is lucky I enjoyed it a ton before class update and I haven't lost my like for it

[misty lance]

why i have so hard time playing exe stance

[tall torrent]

wdym forget they never learnt it

[steep vault]

they used to at least know that brutal momentum is good

all or nothing limbsplitter is a new low

[vapid nacelle]

thats Decimator

[steep vault]

oh wait it is

didn't even see

[vapid nacelle]

which is like

why not headtaker

[steep vault]

doesn't make it better

[vapid nacelle]

but I mean

at least it could've been worse 💀

[scenic oracle]

Maybe you crutched too much on voc like I did

[tall torrent]

AoN is actually quite fun

cuz it's on avg like 32% strength

it's just harder to maintain cuz u have to spam PA for it

I wish knife had AoN

[drowsy aspen]

Flakiak, Thrust, Slaughterer

[misty lance]

maybe

[tall torrent]

I’ll try in a bit

I wouldn’t expect it to put up great numbers tho

[vapid nacelle]

genuine question

is there any reason to use dueling sword 2 over 4

numbers wise

[tall torrent]

yea, H2 helps horde clear

[vapid nacelle]

gotcha

not gonna lie I kind of assumed Tactical Axe would be more mobile than it is

[tall torrent]

It’s very funny how it has like 1/3 of the single target dps of the “slightly bigger axe”

[vapid nacelle]

and also the same mobility

actually no

my mistake

it has a whopping 5% more dodge distance

why does this have the same sprint speed 😭

why does this thing exist

I'm sad because I actually like it but why does this exist

[austere mica]

Taxe is a fun weapon

[vapid nacelle]

It is a ton of fun

[austere mica]

Fast and mobile

[vapid nacelle]

I have a blast whenever I use it

but dang I really did think it had more speed than it actually did

[austere mica]

Also innate crit chance bonus of 12% enables some serious bullshit on zealot

[wild vortex]

It definitely feels faster than Rashad

[vapid nacelle]

what are the odds fatshark put the wrong numbers for its mobility stat

[tall torrent]

Minuscule

[drowsy aspen]

In terms of kill speed? I imagine it's pretty up there

The Mk. 4 is possessed of other virtues of course

[vapid nacelle]

I like those odds

[drowsy aspen]

So I won't go crying and throwing mine away if it's not ideal

[vapid nacelle]

Taxe is actually just Knife in disguise

[tall torrent]

I’ll check

[austere mica]

It’s knife if it could cleave

[vapid nacelle]

something like that

[tall torrent]

Ok Ykw it’s actually pretty high

A little better than shield

Not as good as Karsolas

[rigid schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1310362653863972884/image.png?ex=6744f1d2&is=6743a052&hm=6a20f7fbc9ab02f4423845afc655273e422122f8df1dc9bde2635cdb015f3e32&

any second opinions on this build i have for hellbore+knife? considering dropping deadshot and shocktrooper for... something

it's the fast firing hellbore for now

honestly it feels like it barely uses any ammo

[drowsy aspen]

Daaang better than shield is a little unexpected

[scenic oracle]

I'd take marksman and the +25 toughness instead

[tiny summit]

Surgical is enough crit on a helbore. You can drop deadshot

[tall torrent]

10.7 vs 10.9

I guess if u take shield in a heavy hitter build it’ll do better

I have FNP for shield so it’s missing 10% atk speed

[drowsy aspen]

...The knife should get the same buff tho

[tall torrent]

I did cleaver with heavy hitter

[drowsy aspen]

What makes the shield more effective over that 10%?

Oh!

Nvm then

[tall torrent]

I did not do shield with heavy hitter

[civic osprey]

Vigilant autogun recommendations?

[midnight totem]

All three are pretty good head poppers

[civic osprey]

Thinking Headhunter and Deadly Accurate

[midnight totem]

I prefer surgical and deadly accurate for the 3 burst

[civic osprey]

but with Headhunter you dont need to stay ADS

[midnight totem]

Headhunter and deadly for the one shot (surgical also works)

Yeah but if one of the three burst doesn't hit the head you lose the hh stacks

[tame lodge]

Surgical Deadly Accurate
Surgical Ghost
Surgical Opening Salvo

[midnight totem]

I personally favor headhunter and opening salvo on the one shot l

[civic osprey]

even though headhunter provides crit up front with no actual waittime

[midnight totem]

Opening salvo recovers almost instantly while ads

[civic osprey]

you just tap heads and it boosts your crit chance

[tame lodge]

Yeah and surgical uptime is higher if you just ads

Easier guaranteeing crits

[civic osprey]

i mean with the revo surgical makes sense

but the vig autgun has the ammo to spare

[midnight totem]

Me running crucian revolver

[tame lodge]

Which Vigilant though

[civic osprey]

Not sure

[mossy oasis]

Hello lads, im quite new to darktide, i still yet to have my grips on some basic unlocking and progress stuff, if there any way to unlock the coveted Kriegsman uniform and other similar cosmetics without paying?

[pseudo fiber]

No :(

[civic osprey]

no

[midnight totem]

Sorry, only unlocked via credit card when it's in rotation

[civic osprey]

maybe the Mk VII

[supple stag]

Surgical Deathly then

[radiant chasm]

But if you hit all 3 shots headhunter is a perma 40% crit chance minimum with no downtime

(For 3burst vigilant)

[ancient path]

executioner recon lasgun is pretty fun

almost have it maxed now

then uhhh ill do the infantry lasgun

or helbore but i have no idea how to build a helbor

[crimson sparrow]

I remember like a year ago that there was a rending build with the auto gun. Is that still a thing?

[thorn trellis]

Does veteran have anything similar to the Ogryn Ogrinamacon (excuse my spelling lol)

[tall torrent]

check pinned

[outer grove]

chainsword btw

[fading yarrow]

Am I senile or does Vet not have any Talents that contribute to ability cooldown reduction?

[fading yarrow]

So I was being senile

Ty

Auric's fried my brain

[severe gale]

yeah mk13g is

very OP

[tough tiger]

Its just ok lol

[fading yarrow]

"I survived Auric, nothing can phase me anymore!"
The four snipers about to shoot me through the wall:

[stoic thorn]

The Veteran has his clip empty in the pic lmao

[serene bough]

thats cause hes the shootiest

blasted them heads before the photoshoot

[severe gale]

on zealot it’s absurdly OP

vet can make it work pretty well too, but it loses in single target

[analog yacht]

355% ammo picked up is crazy work. over half of all the ammo the whole team used

[severe gale]

oh wow yeah lmfao

was the chord doing the work

or his gun

lmfao

[analog yacht]

probably just held m1 with boltgun the entire mission lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Where the hell do you see how many % of ammo was picked up

[analog yacht]

each small is 15% and large is 50%

[stoic thorn]

My rolling steel mission just cut out

[analog yacht]

ovenproof's scoreboard plugin has ammo % instead of boxes

[lean bloom]

anyone have a good bolter to copy!?

[tall torrent]

29/30
I personally would go Marksman (bottom left, red node) or Twinned Blast

heavy sword IX
flak + maniac
deathblow + headtaker

spearhead boltgun IIb
flak + maniac
pinning fire + puncture

Marksman gives more dmg notably vs crushers & bosses, quite strong with boltgun even though it doesn't help much for breakpoints

maniac gives heavy sword's H1 1-tap vs mutant weakspot without any buff
if u don't care abt that much, could go flak + elite

[rigid schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1310362653863972884/image.png?ex=6744f1d2&is=6743a052&hm=6a20f7fbc9ab02f4423845afc655273e422122f8df1dc9bde2635cdb015f3e32&

I dropped desperado and shock trooper for Marksman and One motion.
one motion feels much better, tbh but i've been playing with the heavy lasgun that got a completely garbage charge stat

it was kinda painful leveling it

now i guess i just need to do mastery on plasma gun, but the only one i got has sad stats

and i don't have much resources to get a "proper" one nor max it

[tall torrent]

dump thermal resist, it's only 1 shot's difference

ideally u don't want to dump any but if ur broke that's prob the best to dump

60% charge rate feels horrible to play

[rigid schooner]

thermal resist at 69% and charge rate at 71% is meta

i forgor which stat i have dumped on the one i got

[low vault]

Are charged shots good on plasma? I always find myself just spamming uncharged mostly

[rigid schooner]

but for plasma gun should't you only be using LMB shots only?

yeah

[tall torrent]

do not use charged shots basically ever

[low vault]

I figured

[tall torrent]

charge rate matters because it affects the pre-fire delay on left click

[low vault]

Ah

[tall torrent]

so it directly impacts ur firerate therefore DPS

[rigid schooner]

ah, i meant to ask that lol

[tall torrent]

ideally u'd want an 80% too but

this gun wants max damage, stopping power and ammo

all for breakpoints

and thermal resist below a specific value (68% + decimal) can't fire 8 shots in a row

so the highest u can go is around 71~72% for charge rate

[rigid schooner]

i'm actually curious, is plasma pretty much the only gun that you don't want 60/80s on?

[tall torrent]

yea

[frank basin]

it is expensive kind

[rigid schooner]

wack

[tall torrent]

it's the only gun in the game without a dump stat

[low vault]

Does charge rate still reduce damage? I feel like I remember reading that when the game came out on Xbox

[tall torrent]

[frank basin]

no

[tall torrent]

they fixed it

it's not gonna change ur breakpoints if that's what ur wondering

[rigid schooner]

surge staff kinda does too, but crit bonus technically isn't woth the 20% difference

[tall torrent]

nah

[frank basin]

i had 60% crit bonus

works fine

[tall torrent]

going from 60% to 80% warp resist only gives u 1 more full charge cast with empyric resolve

u generate like 2% less peril per full charge cast by going 80% in warp resist

it doesn't really matter

[rigid schooner]

oh no it's fine with only 60%

[low vault]

I thought surge staff was only for LMB with surge blessing

[tall torrent]

crit bonus is 5% more crit chance, it's good

[rigid schooner]

you can do that with it, but the electricity is still great

[frank basin]

There's 5% crit chance node give little boost

or aura too

[low vault]

Yeah, I usually only charge for crushers or bulwarks

[tall torrent]

yea, u can still get 5% more from crit bonus

[tall torrent]

it's the cringiest playstyle in the game

way too strong

[low vault]

😩

Only way I’m not a liability as psyka lol

[frank basin]

macro quell canceling ball spammer

[solemn niche]

focused target + carapace is amazing vs crushers, even weapons like catachan sword can 3 tap a crusher https://streamable.com/k3nvb9

[rigid schooner]

autoaim is nice tho

[low vault]

Mfw no macro cancel on Xbox

[rigid schooner]

and it kills most shooters gunners in one shot

[frank basin]

machine balls

I use full auto mod instead

[tall torrent]

I wouldn't call that a consistent performance

crit + 8 stacks of focus target tag

in an actual game most of the time ur hovering at 2~3 focus target stacks unless u purposefully not tag enemies

[hollow ibex]

are yellow numbers in the psyk crits? i'm confusion

[tall torrent]

health bar mod

uses pre-change colors

[hollow ibex]

oh that's why

[frank basin]

orange is weakspot hit

[solemn niche]

that's kinda how you are expected to play with focused target

[tall torrent]

currently, orange = crit, yellow = weakspot
health bar mod (old colors), orange = weakspot, yellow = crit

[tall torrent]

what

[frank basin]

did they swap?

the color

[hollow ibex]

still kinda impressive considering how pitiful dclaw's anti-armor is, tbf

i wonder how it would do with 5 stacks

[tall torrent]

are u telling me that purposefully refraining from tagging is how you're meant to play focus target

because that's just not true

[frank basin]

waiting stack build up take time while you dealing multiple ogryn enemies

[hollow ibex]

tbf the game kinda baits you into thinking that's how you're supposed to play it

[solemn niche]

I usually save my tag for when I really need it. so carapace guy when i am 1v1 or enemy that is hiding behind smoke/fire

[frank basin]

you won't 1v1 a Crusher only, you would get 1v3-4 against crusher/mauler/bulwark

1 crusher your other team dealt it already

you contribute some damage on it

[solemn niche]

mmh it's still useful for bosses

but ye I agree im not using it much most of the time

[frank basin]

bosses fine

[hollow ibex]

spam tagging with FT is great though

[dry cloak]

Ogryn begs to differ

[frank basin]

maelstrom boss spawn 2 at once

[hollow ibex]

it's a constant 8% or more damage bonus

no way i'm giving that up

[solemn niche]

you can take the other upgrade that gives you damage when you expend stacks

with 8 stacks i think its 15%

[frank basin]

Redirect target?

[tall torrent]

redirect fire is 7.5%

8 stacks is not worth taking

[hollow ibex]

just from pinging, but yeah redirect fire is there too

[solemn niche]

1 point for 2.5 damage why would you not take

[hollow ibex]

the stuff you can't ping, you won't need the bonust damage anway, usually

[solemn niche]

what other talent is more important

[frank basin]

Something Target Down?

[tall torrent]

redirect fire is 1 point for 7.5% damage
focused fire is 1 more point for 4.5% more damage (that doesn't contribute to any major breakpoint)

[frank basin]

if focused fire increase to 10 and faster stack gaining

[tall torrent]

if focused fire was changing each FT stack's individual bonus

then maybe

[frank basin]

2 stack gain per alternative

[copper verge]

what are recon lasgun dump stats and what blessings do I run on it?

[tall torrent]

if each went from x1.04 to x1.08, it'd be worth

[frank basin]

and kind multiplier stats is for?

[tall torrent]

dump collateral
flak + crit chance/maniac
dum dum + infernus/deathspitter

if u go infernus, take crit chance

if u go maniac, take deathspitter

[tall torrent]

each stack's xdmg.taken value

[frank basin]

i see, that i can see why

changing focused fire be target take more damage instead stack?

[tall torrent]

because then 2 stacks is almost 17% more dmg (multiplicative) which would actually change breakpoints compared to rn

[tall torrent]

u gotta speak normal english

what is what

[solemn niche]

I read that as instead of suck XD kinda appropriate

[frank basin]

it's been like this for years now

what am saying the focused fire should be increase target taken more damage rather increase stack capacity

if that you're seeking x1.08

[solemn niche]

are you sure the extra stacks don't give you any breakpoints ? Like maybe you can replace flak for elite or something like that

[tall torrent]

only redirect fire really notably changes breakpoints

[tall torrent]

yea, that'd be better than the 8 stacks modifier rn

[frank basin]

good

[hearty panther]

redirect fire quietly carrying the entire focus target keystone

[hollow ibex]

it's quiet until you run into that one vet playing FT while having ping bound to LMB

[copper verge]

what is the plasma gun dumpstat?

[tall torrent]

doesn't have one

[copper verge]

damn

i kinda thought so

what preferred stat distribution does the plasma gun have?

[tall torrent]

80 dmg
80 stopping power
80 ammo
68~69 thermal resist (as long as u can fire 8 shots continuously starting from 0% heat)
71~72 charge rate

[errant carbon]

If I don't feel like gambling a shitzillion dockets for that, can I just dump charge rate? I never use charged shots and it no longer affects damage right?

[frank basin]

yeah

if you don't care getting perfect roll stats just get 60 charge rate

[tall torrent]

dump thermal

charge rate 60% feels horrible I'm sorry

it's like playing with 50ms extra ping

[copper verge]

dont you magdump plasma anyway instead of charging

[frank basin]

that's what path prefer

[tall torrent]

yea, charge rate affects left click's pre-fire delay

[frank basin]

then we get 7 shot reduced?

[tall torrent]

8 to 7

[frank basin]

yeah that

[tall torrent]

not the biggest problem

not as bad as dropping firerate

[frank basin]

update that in your guide then as you considered

[copper verge]

ohh

ow

[stoic thorn]

Me watching as my fucking dumbass teammates not be able to deal with bursters and this leads to my death:

They don't explode on me but on my teammates which are near me

[stoic thorn]

LMAO

TURNS OUT MY OL RELIABLE CHAINSWORD HAS ITS RAMPAGE AT LEVEL 1

[fathom turret]

How you guys feel about Ogryn getting a sniper before you?

[junior grail]

Technically Helbore is a Sniper?

But no, it doesn't feel good

[grand perch]

Bait

[cobalt crest]

Where do I see how much damage a parry does

[dry cloak]

Graia vigilant is a dmr

[tough tiger]

Inspect weapon?

Same place u see dmg for normal attacks

Honestly all u need to know is that a parry weakspot with FotF can 1 tap a crusher at the cost of your stamina

[stoic thorn]

Plasma + Exe stance soloes

[dry cloak]

Plasma users have small pps

[merry coral]

I use the plasma gun from time to time

So I can vouch for that

[dry cloak]

For soloing or havin small pp

[merry coral]

Small pp

it is what it is

[dry cloak]

Fair

I never touched a plasma gun in my life

And have max mastery because bug

[merry coral]

frankly ofc it's top tier, deletes everything and all, at first the power fantasy is strong but yeah it becomes boring quickly

knife + revolver WS is, on the other hand, so much fun

[dry cloak]

Knife🤮

Unless its mk6 which is unorthodox

[merry coral]

Yeah

I use mk6

[dry cloak]

I use it with haymaker of all things

[lilac kayak]

Bolt pistol grenadier build the most fun I've had in a while

[merry coral]

You know, I should try

[copper verge]

between heavy sword and crusher which is usually better, and which is more fun?

[dry cloak]

Both are fun

Depends on what you want

[copper verge]

is defences the dump stat for both?

[dry cloak]

Yes

[spark helm]

Crusher has a lot of variety for itself so if that's something that attracts you to the weapon, go for kt.

[dry cloak]

If you have funds try both

[merry coral]

Veteran can make every thing works

that's the beauty of it

[copper verge]

oh i meant this for zealot mb

😭

[junior grail]

Vet Crusher nani?

[dry cloak]

Heavy sword was unique to zealot. To ofcourse it works

[merry coral]

I thought you could habve been talking about the mini crusher, aka shock maul

[copper verge]

yes i meant the whole ass crusher lol

[merry coral]

big pp crusher

[junior grail]

Your mom

...sorry

[merry coral]

yeesh

[ocean idol]

What sniper?

[dry cloak]

Heavy stubber

[fathom turret]

New Stubber on Dec 3rd will have one accrate shot for it's braced attack.

[ocean idol]

That one shotgun has pretty much sniper shot

[dry cloak]

But now ogryn will have proper precision weapon

[merry coral]

And a torchlight

[grand perch]

Let them have it, it's long overdue imo

[merry coral]

I mean they really need more weapons

[dry cloak]

Especially we nees more guns

Because there is only so many sidearms you can try and still go back to kickback

[merry coral]

Right

[dry cloak]

Keklugger is stupid and good

Still need to go back to tslugger

[ocean idol]

Imagine even knowing what guns ogryn has

boringest class ever concieved

[frank ledge]

Name checks out

[stoic thorn]

I should've asked the ogryn named haktuah to spit on my cadian soil

[tame lodge]

sniper
looks inside
Big mg

[somber axle]

If Ogryns end up leaning into the single shot fire a lot more it will make them less ammo hungry vs the Twin Stubber. Maybe less Ogryns eating all the tins and packs (or worse double/triple dipping on ammo crates)

Idc if they get a long range precision weapon because Vet already has like 5 weapon families dedicated to that

Plus it might make them less reliant on someone else clearing ranged trash because the biggest thing I remember feeling while doing Ogryn/Zealot penances is how a lot of pubs just straight up ignore ranged trash

[tacit sonnet]

Why is building recon MK XII so hard

Do I want to change anything?

[grand perch]

seems ok

[tacit sonnet]

Any way to fit reciprocity in here?

I run infernus on my lasgun

[grand perch]

lets see the rest of your tree

[grand perch]

but you could always go keystoneless and switch form focus target to recip

most recon builds opt to do that

[tacit sonnet]

I guess

Was thinking about removing superiority complex

but base focus target gives 20% damage at most

While superiority is just 15% free damage

[grand perch]

also very much possible

[tacit sonnet]

Also not sure about rending strikes

[grand perch]

recons dont care much about BPs anyway

you already have onslaught, rending strikes on top is a bit wasteful

you could save points going to onslaught and replace it with rending as well. or route through exec stance and take demo team instead of 1nade/min

though i consider recons one of the few weapons where onsalught is actually worth it

[frank ledge]

You regen too much toughness as glugger to care

[somber axle]

Idk I remember my toughness being chewed to pieces while doing Ogryn unless I used short bursts for clearing ranged trash. Dodge sliding into and out of danger but if you lift your head for a second in a room of shooters the Toughness is gone

[frank ledge]

I just

braze

press f

face tank anything aslong as I keep firing

boss? 5 heavy gunners? don't matter

[somber axle]

Yeah but then you drink your ammo fast

[frank ledge]

80% mobility krourk IV

[somber axle]

I was very aware of thirsty ammo Ogryns from maining Vet and didn't want to be like them

[frank ledge]

I am as fast as a knife zealot

[somber axle]

So I was much more careful about when to go full auto

Weird thought

Do you think the new stubber for Ogryn will have bad ADMs vs armour

[frank ledge]

No idea, best ask Hank

[ionic bear]

you could ask this to any other class but veteran

veteran has like
6 diff snipers

[fathom turret]

But no one else would care about sniper. Shouty hit things and Spark'ead warp things.

[ionic bear]

yeah well veteran has a sniper

ogryn's fat ass is late to the party as always

just like shouty had 3 whole 2 handed weapons before ogryn got 1

[dry cloak]

Brunt was short on materials. And he needed to arm a lot of ogryns

[somber axle]

Ogryn really needs more weapons

I've been all in on Helbore lately and it's gone surprisingly well

The awkward swap speed isn't so bad

[grand perch]

Especially if you never switch to your melee

[tacit sonnet]

Why is there a block cancel after special in this guide?

[somber axle]

Yeah pretty much

[somber adder]

Helbore spotted

That weapon stinks

[somber axle]

Anything less than like 6 poxwalkers and I just bayonet before returning to shooting

Bayonet ragers

Bayonet muties

Bayonet hounds

Extra fun shooting Crusher faces off too

[somber adder]

I'd assume block canceling the charge is faster than letting the animation play out to it's conclusion

[frank ledge]

No ammO? Bayonet boss

[somber axle]

Tbh I just Bayonet the boss anyway

It's really fun and the damage isn't as bad as you might think if you just keep stabbing their face

https://tenor.com/view/war-worldwarone-ww1-ww-i-soldier-gif-4724980

[ionic bear]

fighting like a true guardsman

no melee weapon just a gun that can do many things

[somber axle]

Shovel only comes out when I need to clear a LOT of trash

And usually if it's a mixed horde I just double shredder and return to shooting while everything is staggered and bleeding to death

It's just a fun cozy weapon

[tacit sonnet]

I get it now

It's to reset the combo

I dont want an overhead l4 in my horde clear combo

[somber adder]

Huh, no. According to that you reset the combo via special activation

[tacit sonnet]

But it doesn't

On my 2nd combo loop, my third attack is l4

[frank ledge]

may be outdated

special activation no longer cancels combo, on some weapons

unless you wait very briefly

[tacit sonnet]

I wish it did

[frank ledge]

it used to

[tacit sonnet]

Didnd't even notice the change

Guess it doesn't really matter everywhere else

[frank ledge]

matters a bit for deimos as they can finally hit m2 charged

[vivid ocean]

is the fan fire revolver supposed to be a meme gun

or am i usin it wrong

[dry cloak]

It has good boss damage and is capable of killing crushers fairly fast if your melee doesnt do that

[vivid ocean]

ah so its like a swap burst dps

like a better shotgun

[dry cloak]

Shotgun is not capable of killibg crushers

[vivid ocean]

well yeah

that's why i said better

[dry cloak]

Agrip revolver is my sidearm for heavysword

[vivid ocean]

i tried it with shovel mk7 and honestly it felt like the shovel was hard carrying the volver

[dry cloak]

Shovels are good

[vivid ocean]

gonna try it out on a assail / smite psyker as a panic button

[dry cloak]

Its better on zealot

Or on weapon spec vet

[vivid ocean]

prefer the single shot on zeal

[dry cloak]

Those are best use cases

[ancient path]

whats a fun helbore build?

Hopefully not executioner stance

[vivid ocean]

VoC

[dry cloak]

Same build as all lasguns

[ancient path]

Oh ok

[dry cloak]

You especially use hbore with exe stance

[ancient path]

Can helbores snipe like crushers or somethin?

[vivid ocean]

yeah

weight of fire + armorsbane fucks em up

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-stare-fish-di-dis-gif-5997881408649399064

[dry cloak]

2 shot crits with brown one

[vivid ocean]

could exe, i just run VoC to have an aoe stagger button

[dry cloak]

Surgical and weight of fire

[dry cloak]

So u have small pp

[vivid ocean]

i aint a sniper, i spam that shit

[vivid ocean]

still bigger than urs

[dry cloak]

Ok

@ancient path leveling helbore?

[ancient path]

Yea

Soonish.

[dry cloak]

If u want a faster one use the blue one

If damage brown one

[vivid ocean]

mk3a bayonet goes hard

[ancient path]

brown town gaming.

[dry cloak]

But beware brown one requires more attention to your surroundings

[merry coral]

Yes yes yes

[vivid ocean]

just shout at them

[ancient path]

Can i have a bayonet build lol

[dry cloak]

Shout is trash

[dry cloak]

Thats not feasible

[ancient path]

aw

[vivid ocean]

lmao its a meme setup, no keystones

[dry cloak]

And even if you wan bayonet build you gotta use exe stance because hedshot bonuses

[tame lodge]

Something something Desperado Agile Engagement gaming

[vivid ocean]

i just found out serrated blade works on the bayonet stab