veteran-class

[terse idol]

If it ever hits you

[tiny summit]

All I can see is a nerd getting mad that someone plays differently

[orchid hemlock]

Because you are just a God player right?

[orchid hemlock]

Ah yes and now the personal insults, it's a good sign that the convo is about to be over

[terse idol]

Gwaahh stop fighting yall 😭

[orchid hemlock]

[ancient path]

whats a good melee weapon to pair with las recon

[vapid nacelle]

yeah this argument is unnecessary lol

[ancient path]

executioner las recon

[vapid nacelle]

curios are preferential in the end

[terse idol]

Honestly rashad

[orchid hemlock]

The momment you need to actually hold yourself accountable to what you say and dig your heels

[tiny summit]

I'd really prefer to not read all this yapping blud has over a horde shooter

[terse idol]

I think you take similar talents to a rashad with a keystoneless recon build

[ancient path]

rashad feels a little inconsistent w/o desperado(?)

[terse idol]

It shouldn't

[orchid hemlock]

Yes yes, projection, keep at it

[subtle bolt]

The only time I find snipers a threat is when you're trying to do the objective and enter the symbols and they nail you while you're standing there

That is the most frustrating thing

[tiny summit]

Says the person taking offense to someone's preference

[orchid hemlock]

Offense? Where did that come from?

[terse idol]

Your rashad should be
Max damage stats
Brutal momentum
Headtaker
Unarmoured
+carapace

[orchid hemlock]

U think I'm offended? 🤔

[terse idol]

• damaging talents

[orchid hemlock]

I asked a simple question and you gave me the "just play better" response

[remote sonnet]

When there are 5 snipers at once behind a horde, good luck dodging

[orchid hemlock]

Who is the arrogant one here? 🤔

[vapid nacelle]

There really isn't a need to keep arguing this. HP, Toughness and Stamina in whatever combination are valid in their own way and it's up to the player to decide what they prefer.

That's it

[ancient path]

i like thrust brutal on my rashad. is that throwing?

[subtle bolt]

Why would you put +carapace on a vet melee weapon

[terse idol]

Yes

[ancient path]

damn

[vapid nacelle]

If you wanna run HP curios, that's fine, Toughness isn't necessarily needed

[terse idol]

A properly built rashad can 4 shot a crusher

Or well

A crusher horde

[vapid nacelle]

and the same for running Toughness but no HP

[terse idol]

And decimate hordes

Its really good!

When you know how to build it

[orchid hemlock]

All I asked was: "if a pox burster hits you, will all of the toughness or stamina in the world going to save you?"

[ancient path]

i mostly liked thrust on my rashad because heavy charge felt funny to chop into

[orchid hemlock]

You responded with nothing

[subtle bolt]

But your secondary weapon is probably gonna decimate the crusher from a distance and faster

[terse idol]

Eh

[ancient path]

ill try with headtaker

[terse idol]

If you're playing keystoneless recon

[remote sonnet]

• Carapace reduces like 1 to 3 hits on Damnation crusher.

[terse idol]

I mean it's not the worse

[vapid nacelle]

There's always two sides to this argument and neither is inherently wrong

[terse idol]

And yess

[ancient path]

i considered heavy sword

[terse idol]

Your ranged weapon will kill crushers

[terse idol]

Bad vs crushers

[subtle bolt]

Focus target recon melts a crusher.... Although bolt pistol and plasma gun are faster

[terse idol]

Yes

Still t

[vapid nacelle]

k I'm out of things to say on that

anyways mk 6 knife

[terse idol]

The rashad is just in general like really good

[vapid nacelle]

what's the horde clear combo with it

[terse idol]

Goes well with the recon too because you take similar damage talents

[vapid nacelle]

is it heavies or lights

[subtle bolt]

Hmm

[terse idol]

Hence why I suggested rashad with recon specifically

[remote sonnet]

Plasma can't pierce Crushers

So if there is a horde of them, it is quite rough

[subtle bolt]

Tbh only melee weapon I've used much is chain axe mkxii, which I love

And I alternate between recon and bolt pistol

[remote sonnet]

I love to use plasma, but crushers are usually on lower priority compare to reaper and gunner. By the time you wipe out the 3 to 5 crushes that spawned in Auric Damn, your gun is overheated.

[hollow ibex]

light and heavy

sooo both

[vapid nacelle]

so is that a sort of "use whichever the time calls for" heavies & lights or a "use this light into this heavy combo" heavies & lights

[hollow ibex]

L1 H2 specifically

[vapid nacelle]

gotcha

[subtle bolt]

I honestly feel like reapers are a meme enemy?

They die almost instantly

[hollow ibex]

and then push attack for single target

[fading yarrow]

AuDamn Chasm Logistratum with lights out

Cleared, didn't die, but good Lord I'm shaken

[remote sonnet]

Yes, but if they don't, they deal quite a huge amount of damage.

[subtle bolt]

That's fair ya

[remote sonnet]

So many of my Auric games ended, with 5 reapers far at the back behind the ragers, they delete the whole team.

There are spots on maps that you just can't retreat back to deal with 1 type of enemy at a time.

[hollow ibex]

Uh oh the heretics learned combined arms

[vapid nacelle]

veteran's not enough talent points issue is mean to me once more

I want the 25 toughness node so bad but I don't want to drop anything here

[remote sonnet]

No, neither I nor many auric enjoyers are solo auric fanatics.

[hollow ibex]

could drop the confirmed kill path and just do O4B and OTM

depends on what gun you're using though

[vapid nacelle]

it's knife boltpistol

[hollow ibex]

grenadier build?

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah i didn't go bottom right with mine

[vapid nacelle]

I don't usually either

[hollow ibex]

because i wanted to take 4 tinkered nades lol

[vapid nacelle]

I usually use shovel with grenadier

but like I'm trying to use knife + bistol so I think I kinda just have to suffer being more fragile lol

[hollow ibex]

knife is going to be hard to run well with bistol

[vapid nacelle]

I mean I tried it a moment ago and it felt great

idk I've ran worse

like uh

[hollow ibex]

i prefer to just run a less needy melee weapon and go all-out on nades

[vapid nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d31c428-2241-43b3-87f0-68afd2ffc2e5/chad-3

this..

wtf

deleted my build

rude

fine I'll make it again

[remote sonnet]

Just save screenshots, lol

[vapid nacelle]

behold

[hollow ibex]

oh wow... that's.... interesting

[remote sonnet]

Smoke with voc

interesting indeed

[vapid nacelle]

hang on I had to put it together

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d8fc151-23e6-44d9-b736-faf6190d7c3a/chad-2

behold

maybe the worst veteran build ever

[tiny summit]

I at least didnt want to be completely flamed when I did it. This was before the smoke changes

[vapid nacelle]

supposed to be suppression immunity not precision strikes please forgive my fatal error

[remote sonnet]

Shredder pistol?

[tiny summit]

Nah it adds to the theme

[remote sonnet]

You are running on Havoc even before Havoc release

[tiny summit]

Precision strikes? Who needs it

Terrible talent

[vapid nacelle]

as if the rest of the build isn't the problem 😭

but yes I did an auric mael with this

um

it didn't go well

[tiny summit]

See? Auric ready

Lmao

[past field]

which helbore lasgun is best at the moment?

[tiny summit]

But did you win? 🤨

[vapid nacelle]

if you can believe it yes

and I had to solo clutch the mission at one point

the problem is

[tiny summit]

Personal preference on your want on balance between charge time and dmg

[vapid nacelle]

this build does so little damage that it took 15 minutes to kill enough to get to the team and res them

[tiny summit]

But 2 have a bayonet stab and the other a swing

[tiny summit]

See Auric ready.

[past field]

right, the swing just kinda feels awkward

[vapid nacelle]

I had to do a 15 minute solo clutch and still was the second lowest on the damage scoreboard 😭

[past field]

I was playing with the mkIIIa and the mk5, they are both fine, but I might prefer the faster charge rate

[tiny summit]

But yea try the different marks. The slowest one can kill crushers easily. The other 2 can charge faster for other targets

Still cleared an auric mael. And people sweat about curios

[vapid nacelle]

I am thankful that I enjoy hardcore meta just as much as I enjoy hardcore off meta and everything in between

[tiny summit]

All about the love of killing heretics. I'll play meta. I'll also hotbox the hive

[vapid nacelle]

except for the power sword.

the power sword sucks

I'm getting flak for this one and idgaf I hate it

I'm allowed to have wrong opinions 👍

[tiny summit]

Ah. I like it because its so simple. Activate. Swing swing. Activate. Swing. Prefer other melees lately though

[vapid nacelle]

I cannot stand it

I just can't do it

The activate swing swing is annoying enough for me but it's just the fact that the movement is so awful at the same time

[tame lodge]

The swing Helbore has one if not THE hardest hitting shot in the game
That's good info

[vapid nacelle]

more power to anyone that makes it work but I can't do it

I need my dodge and sprint

[ancient path]

executioner stance is so ass in auric

[sly orchid]

The magic of push attacking

[tame lodge]

Has its uses

[ancient path]

without someone to make space for you, its so hard to play

1 mistake and youre just done lol.

[vapid nacelle]

THIS

[ancient path]

id be more comfortable playing it if there was another vet using voc

[vapid nacelle]

like I dropped long range builds a long time ago

[ancient path]

or a taunt ogryn

[hollow ibex]

you're just too used to VOC

[ancient path]

probably lol

[hollow ibex]

but yeah it's much harder to play

than VOC or infiltrate

[tame lodge]

You guys know that you can dodge right?

[vapid nacelle]

but with trying to make a build using the starter weapons only I've relearned why I can't use them

[hollow ibex]

dodge? you think i'm some sort of coward?

[ancient path]

boy i will slap your ass into the jockstrap of the god emperor

[tame lodge]

Don't try hitting me with boo hoo surrounded bs

[vapid nacelle]

trying to handle like 40 or 50 gunners on mostly ranged enemies but 2 staff psykers and a zealot can't assist with 2 groaners trying to hit me

but then also my internet lagging back my shots

that was fun

firing 3 shots in a row just for none of them to actually go through

[ancient path]

"dont try hitting me with boo hoo surrounded bs"

i'm surrounded by a bulwark horde, ragers our crack addict dueling sword zealot pulled, and two mutants charging me

[vapid nacelle]

anyways I've learned from my grave error and return to the actually good ranged weapons

[ancient path]

while 4 poxbursters are coming

[tame lodge]

Boo hoo

Try with more flamers

[ancient path]

you sound like a dork.

but anyway i probably want shredders if im gunna play exe. plus everyone loves jumping whatever i put a krak on

[tame lodge]

Yeah because you're right
YOU cannot use Exec on auric

Oh well

Exec bad whatever

You are right

Well well

[vapid nacelle]

yeah I never use kraks anymore

I want to but mostly because of this lol

[tame lodge]

Silly me I guess

Have fun out there

[vapid nacelle]

crushers dying before it actually detonates

[sly orchid]

Most of these issues stem from not using the bolter

[ancient path]

read what i said you fucking doorknob. i said it was hard to play.

if youre not playing bolter

bolter does precisely what executioner needs

[vapid nacelle]

and I mean... veteran's not exactly lacking for ogryn damage with options available at the moment

[ancient path]

full auto into a crowd and its cc'd or dead.

purple name forgot his bone'ead implant this morning

[ancient path]

ya im trying out recon las exe because it kind of made sense? a lot of weak spot hitting from no recoil. im just trying to figure this bad boy out.

[tawny badger]

What mark are you using

[ancient path]

mk xiv recon las

[tawny badger]

Uhhhhhh

[ancient path]

bad pick?

[tawny badger]

Is that the one with the stupidly high RoF

[ancient path]

naw.

at least, i dont think so? ive never really used recon las

doesnt feel stupidly high

[vapid nacelle]

XII's the super fast fire

[vapid nacelle]

XIV is strongest but costs 2 ammo per shot instead of 1

and lower fire rate

[ancient path]

playing into crit because its kinda funny

[ancient path]

yea its funny throwing a krak on something then every zealot in the game chatises towards the target

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

but also frags are just nice in general

[ancient path]

they are

theyre going to cover a weakspot im noticing with this build

[remote sonnet]

The Mk14 is a great general purpose. The other 2 can be build into death beam.

[ancient path]

and thats just 'oh im getting jumped' moments

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

I usually just use them to shore up horde clear

[ancient path]

mhm

[vapid nacelle]

but then they just shore up everything lol

crushers? a frag stuns them and most of veteran's good weapons handle crushers well enough

[ancient path]

mhm

[vapid nacelle]

mixed horde, director decided to throw like 80 gunners and their parents at you at once

[ancient path]

the worst.

snipers have also been finding hella cheeky spots to be in

along side 5 snipers

[vapid nacelle]

beast of nurgle caught your teammate that didn't know that burgles won't eat you if you aren't slimed

staggered

[ancient path]

thats another thing, too

getting eaten by bon fuckin blows

but shredders can help knock ppl out

[vapid nacelle]

the obligatory accidentally knocked a monstrosity off a ledge with the grenade when I was just trying to stagger it

[ancient path]

but its also why i love voc a lot

lul

i did that with chorus today

got cliffhanged by a plague orgyn, buddy picks me up and i chorus the plague ogryn off the map

all planned

[vapid nacelle]

I've had a plague ogryn knock both me and an active daemonhost off the map at once before

I love this game

[ancient path]

lol

darktide moments

game is frustrating as balls but addicting

[tawny timber]

real

[dreamy ginkgo]

the only thing addicting so far is smashing daemonhosts

or nuking them

when i see a daemonhost and i didn't bring any of these build, i just see sadness

[past field]

anyone has a link to a good helbore buid with exec stance?

[tawny timber]

i was just watching a sniper build vid

hol up

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d8ca97a-18b4-4b46-9335-a5666e88d5ae/sniper-veteran-3?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

idk if its good

[austere mica]

Actually good gameslantern build, wtf

[hollow ibex]

not the worst, but not very good either

[faint beacon]

its...

[austere mica]

It doesn't suck

[faint beacon]

a build

its acceptable

[austere mica]

I am actually surprised

[faint beacon]

its not like dogshit

nor is it amazing

[hollow ibex]

pretty much

[tawny timber]

is it possible for helbore to be amazing?

[faint beacon]

first Gameslantern build where im going

wow

its decent

[tiny summit]

Does bolt pistol have innate suppression immunity like helbores?

[faint beacon]

The only things I can say to swap around would be

Heavy Sword 9 - Thrust to Headtaker (its free fucking damage vs holding Lmb)

Killzone -> Opening imo
Bigger they are or Counter fire its kinda up to how you want to snipe

aka countering gunners or specifically targetting big targets

other than that probably swap the curios around

I suggest a balance of all 3 Stam/HP/Toughness

[hollow ibex]

thrust on HS 🤔

[tame lodge]

Sort of but not really

[hollow ibex]

and yeah curio setup isn't great

[faint beacon]

You could do 2 Tough/1 HP

But I've been noticing a lot more effeciency with the healthy mix of all 3

[hollow ibex]

i'd also move the longshot talent to one motion

[faint beacon]

Yeah honestly

but I see what they're trying to do which is

[tame lodge]

It's already amazing

[faint beacon]

actually sniping

but

One motion you might get more value out of

[hollow ibex]

also i don't think helbore needs rending

[faint beacon]

it doesn't but it Slightly helps Heavy Swords

Up to personal choice imo again

[hollow ibex]

eh i feel like HS wrecks shit anyway

idk if it matters, haven't tested

and it won't help against carapace anyway lol

[faint beacon]

its rending strikes helps a good chunk when you get Headtaker stacks going

other than that its a wet towel against crushers

[tawny timber]

i wanted to like HS but i dont like how it feels

[faint beacon]

its pretty fun

Light to start its combo and then just do heavies

[tawny timber]

it feels like less fun bretonnian longsword to me

idk i have monkey brain

[hollow ibex]

i know dclaw is way weaker in the DPS department

but for some reason, dclaw feels way stronger

because of the sound effects lol

i honestly couldn't get used to how the HS feels

[fading yarrow]

I can't believe I thought 15 Malice missions was hard

I feel like I've seen war

[zenith hinge]

which blessings on the Boltgun are considered the best for damage?

for elite crowd clear purposes

actually, for boss killing first. elites secondary

it seems like it might be a choice between puncture, pinning fire, and shattering impact

[fading yarrow]

I personally run with Cavalcade and Shattering Impact

[gilded wraith]

Anything other than rashad that excels at horde clear with left click spam?

[arctic rampart]

power sword

[gilded wraith]

6?

[arctic rampart]

6 is overall better if you're into push block. 3 is better if you like sliding & gliding while activating. they both are extremely good at horde

[gilded wraith]

Thank you!

[arctic rampart]

the key blessing is similar to rashad (brutal momentum), then you want power cycler

[gilded wraith]

Excellent, I'll give that a try.

[tame lodge]

Chainsword XIIIg

[arctic rampart]

Personally I think chainsword & shovel are above average at horde clear and a tier behind. But others love those weapons and have great success with them. Try em out for sure! Even dueling sword 4 is pretty aight for horde, just dance around them and left click spam.

Catachan and the other axes and some other choices easily viable. Vet has a lot of options.

[orchid hemlock]

I would like chainsword a lot more if it wasn't for the fact that I start to have an aneurysm every time I see a single crusher or maulers in the horde

Because one thing chainsword does very well it obliterates ragers

[uncut pebble]

Dclaw requires a crit build because the flak adm is awful.

Please, Fatshark, buff the flak adm.

[zenith hinge]

I'd say standard issue shovel for horde clear, though it's heavy spam not light spam

it's not as clearing as some other weapons can be, like power sword, but it more than makes up for it in stagger power. anything you dont kill will be on the floor, including ragers, and even crushers with a couple good heavies

[fading yarrow]

5000 Penance Score racked up in preparation for the 3rd

It isn't capped, right? I can keep doing Penances and the excess score will count towards the track when it updates?

[dire jacinth]

i feel like im going to skin someone alive

why do people trigger demons on auric mael

[narrow frost]

fun

I do it every mission

[dire jacinth]

yeah sounds fun

[narrow frost]

yup

[maiden wasp]

we won that mission btw

just had to take the demons for a casual jaunt

[dire jacinth]

demons arent that bad if guy who triggers it isnt dumb

[loud belfry]

daemonhost isnt really that hard it's just guaranteed to hurt you really badly

unless you have the things that can kill it within a dozen seconds like the thunderhammer and/or multiple people with strong heavy attacks in its head

[dire jacinth]

my guy triggered demon and took it on map tour taking whole horde and taking it back to us, died and left

[fading yarrow]

I love the Relic, even though I don't use it often
The pulsing golden light, the way even relentless Daemonhosts relent, the amplification of the Zealot's voice - it just leaves me like:
"Yeah
That's the Emperor, baby"

[narrow frost]

meet my girlfriends
Patrica 1 and Patrica 2

thats the pic

[errant carbon]

DPS checks are a great mechanic, that's why everyone leaves instantly when they find out they Quickplayed into Rolling Steel

[gentle shell]

Are smoke grenade worth it or should I switch for something else

[round sinew]

I'm thinking of switching from bolt pistol to maybe infantry lasgun or laspistol, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to give up that elite killing ability

Mainly because I want more ammo so I can use my ranged weapon more often

Thoughts, anyone?

[zenith hinge]

can be, just build with it in mind

good for reducing the impact of ranged enemies

[terse idol]

Its niche but okie

Good way to also block sniper fire in a pinch

[ionic bear]

chat what the fuck does the 2nd mark of the combat shotgun shoot

like the first is a slug round the 3rd is a fire round but what the fuck does the 2nd one shoot

[dry niche]

wide

[fading yarrow]

Ur mom

[tame lodge]

Buckshot

Birdshot?

Snake shot?

[fading yarrow]

Are you telling me a bird shot this cartridge

[rustic cypress]

rewin

[frank basin]

Duckbill shot

This muzzle specialize horizontal pattern for pellet spread

That’s lawbringer might have internal duckbill shot

[vale ledge]

The outfit clips :[

[tiny summit]

The mkx laspistol is pretty good with agile engagment and ws. Kill, kill horde, swap to pistol and it domes most of the priority targets

[tall torrent]

It’s the coat’s problem (clips with like everything)

[round sinew]

I see, cool!

[fading yarrow]

AuHeresy is cartoonishly easy compared to AuDamn wth

Or am I just that big of a sweat now

[zenith hinge]

anyoke have a clip of the sound the new boots make? says it has unique walking sounds

the new paid boots

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1309135632089743521/legs.mp4?ex=67407b11&is=673f2991&hm=7f70c17d81e350b83a629b52a88fb5286464259f57e654ff40e61fdc35d189cc&

[zenith hinge]

thanks

[hollow ibex]

honestly i feel like it's totally unnoticeable during actual gameplay lol

[umbral scaffold]

Walking can

[hollow ibex]

but i like how they look anyway

[tall torrent]

When things are happening, no

[hollow ibex]

so the sfx is just a cherry on top

[tall torrent]

But it looks cool in the first place

[hollow ibex]

yeah

me turning all my characters into amputees "for the drip"

https://tenor.com/view/up-is-not-jump-knee-snap-saw-broken-leg-gif-15071407

[tame lodge]

I'm trying to sneak around but my prothesis are dummy loud and sound keeps alerting the guards

[tall torrent]

Interestingly veteran prosthetics actually have sorta less footstep audio

It’s mostly faint squeaky noise instead of concrete footsteps

[idle swallow]

need more WD-40k for me peg leg

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/seamus-pirate-woodenleg-simpsons-argh-gif-1976091905811086496

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-nicktoons-nickelodeon-gif-16680603

[fading yarrow]

Adeptus Administratum: "We have determined that your injuries are not service related."

Guardsman who sawed his leg off because the prosthetic looked cool: "Frag"

[queen fox]

Then he is servitorized

[stoic thorn]

"My overwatch run is going so well!"

The fleshbag about to jump me:

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-chaos-spawn-ginkgo-fall-gif-4230252786752366838

[wild vortex]

Turtlegryn, deserved.

[frank basin]

Plantgryn

[wild vortex]

Yeah same thing

[frank basin]

I remember Plantgryn try aggro dh

Long ago

It’s funny

[fading yarrow]

I love Field Improv

Two Ammo Crates? You mean 24 extra Frag Grenades?

[ancient path]

with how much recon las shoots, im surprised covering fire isnt good on it

[stoic thorn]

Damn my inquisitorial clearance taking a long ass time to process

I'm listening to the main theme this is straight fire

[fading yarrow]

Back up to 7/10 deathless Auric missions

Gonna do the last three tomorrow, then try to get AuDamn Comms-Plex and Warren 6-19 done

Those are the only two Endeavours I haven't completed yet

Well, four, technically

Haven't done them on AuHeresy either

But after that, I plan to attempt Downless AuDamnMael

[merry coral]

I can't wait for the update to drop, I'm so fed up with ppl leaving auric maelstrom for the penances as soon as they are down

Aaaaaaaaaa

[fading yarrow]

What's the update gonna change in regards to that, again?

[earnest bone]

if you alt + f4 while downed

you are considered dead automatically

and re-login captured

basically alt + f4 = suicide if in downed state

server disconnect too

[merry coral]

It's gonna be fun seeing ppl not aware of that trying to cheese still

[crude fiber]

Does that mean no rejoining?

[earnest bone]

no, you rejoin, but already dead

this also f-up ASS title abuse

but its kinda too late for that

[crude fiber]

Ah ok, I sometimes alt f4 if I need to take care of somthing irl for a minute

[earnest bone]

if you alt f4 while not in downed state

i think that wont do anything

if the bot wont die - you should be able to rejoin normally

so its just for abusers

[merry coral]

The whole thing is that it keeps your same amount of life you had when you leave

So leaving while not downed is ok, leaving when downed you're technically at 0hp, so considered to be dead

[fading yarrow]

It counting as suicide even on server disconnect rubs me the wrong way, what with Darktide's servers being as stable as Warp translation with a spotty Gellar Field

Game lag and cause you to get downed? Game lag some more and cause you to DC? Sorry sucker, back to the starting board

[merry coral]

Tbf, having a server issue and a disconnect while downed would be very very unlucky

[fading yarrow]

I have to disagree
I get killed by DCs way too often to consider it an unlikely outcome

[merry coral]

Idk, never happened to me

Don't know if I'm lucky, or if you're the unlucky one ahah

[fading yarrow]

[earnest bone]

I usually just won't connect to the server (when starting a mission), this means i need to press "start mission" like 4 times

apart from that all green

[ancient path]

the urge to mod recon las to be a machine gun

i forget what theyre called in 40k

[faint beacon]

Helguns?

[ancient path]

no theyre like stubber or something?

[faint beacon]

If it’s what the Dreg gunners use

[glass summit]

Wrong chat

[ancient path]

yea

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s literally called a stubber

Heavy stubber

[ancient path]

duno why its called a stubber. maybe machine gun wasn't heavy metal enough

[faint beacon]

But Ogryn kinda

Stole that

Anyways- they’ll probably have to just call it a stubber

Seeing Twin Linked and Heavy is what Ogryn has

[patent birch]

not for me lol

[hollow ibex]

on today's game of "guess who was the gunlugger ogryn!"

[umbral scaffold]

What power sword is the best?

[tame lodge]

Mk6

[tame lodge]

Slightly better than the Mk3

[umbral scaffold]

This?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Ok

Do I have to get to a certain mastery level to get it?

I just hit level 13 and unlocked the weapon in general

[tame lodge]

I do not know about the mastery requirement

[hollow ibex]

should have it by then

[umbral scaffold]

I see

[umbral scaffold]

I unlocked the mark 3

Idk how to get the mark 6

[hollow ibex]

just try switching marks as you would with any other weapon and mk6 should show up

[umbral scaffold]

Ok

[junior grail]

I wonder If Vet will ever get Stubber and Hellguns like those Gunner enemies

[ionic grove]

fatshark give veteran a stubber and my life is yours!

[junior grail]

Beltfed stubber

No reloads just an overheat mechanic

[thin stone]

Is there a guide for zealot? like there is for veteran

I am starting a new zealot charactrer

got bored of vet

[steady wolf]

b-b-but vet has by far the most build diversity... 😰

[frank ledge]

Veterans should try Ogryn!

[steady wolf]

made my buddy play ogryn so he can call me sah constantly

[frank ledge]

Took your ammo, sah!

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmmmmm why no flamer for veteran

[steady wolf]

need.. meltagun.. 🔥

[umbral scaffold]

And granade launcher

[steady wolf]

if we bein' real we need power fist for vet

i'd sell my soul

maybe we will get power fist and meltagun, they just need extra testing and it's why vet got nothing new in upcoming update

hopium 💯

[dry cloak]

Melta guns are rather rare even for space marine chapters

[umbral scaffold]

Lucius pattern combat shotgun tho

[pliant agate]

melta gun probably not. Plasma fills that role somewhat already. Fist is more reasonable.

[dry cloak]

The double barrel?

Meltaguns are used to punch holes through tanks

[pliant agate]

we aint fighting tanks though

[steady wolf]

Yeah personally I don't care for meltagun but crave power fist

the tiny punch on combat knife ain't exactly good enough for me

[dry cloak]

Yeah we arent. Those melta guns also punch holes through like 7 meters of armored wall

[austere mica]

(Also an option for a standard guardsman squad)

[dawn valve]

I was wondering if i could get my current build rated on if it's good or not and ways to improve it

[drowsy aspen]

If Jurgen gets a meltagun surely we can one day

Smh

Just a little one

As a treat

[merry coral]

The powersword pains me so much

I would love to like it

I don't

[dry cloak]

he is ciaphas's side kick ofcourse he gets one

[umbral scaffold]

Imagine having vehicles to fight against aswell

[green siren]

drop screenshots here

or i can just post mine

[dawn valve]

i'll try and get a pic of the full list idk how to show it all at once on xbox

[green siren]

ew, console

ok, 1 sec, i will show mine

Choose ONE of those circles, both are good

then follow this

you will have 2 points left, put them wherever you like

[grand perch]

though one of these circles is gooderer

[green siren]

depends on his playstyle, i keep that in mind

[green siren]

here are some variants

@dawn valve

[magic mango]

Hi is there an OP build for the twin special assignment would really like some help

[dawn valve]

I can send my build now just had to paste it onto the site one sec

[grand perch]

well, respectfully, if you want a good build that needs a lot of changes. what weapons do you want to use the most

[dawn valve]

I'm using Recon lasgun and assult chainsword

[grand perch]

well thats one of the more complex builds with the recon in there

[amber mortar]

meltagun would be so good

[dawn valve]

and my main build is that one above just switch out the ability with VOC with duty and honour and kill zone with born leader

with the same weapons

[dawn valve]

what changes would be best for it with my weapons?

and i do use a lot of grenades so i thought the nade perks would be good to have

[grand perch]

try this with recon

regarding perks and blessings, look here

[dawn valve]

so what playstyle is this build?

[grand perch]

you ping enemies for the focus target bonus and then you shoot them

with executioners stance most of the time

[late narwhal]

what weapons do you use with this build? : )

[green siren]

bro, no
just no

repeat my build and you will make whole community happy

[dawn valve]

so what's so good about that build?

[green siren]

it is optimized for any kind of situation

it is good for melee, for range and for supporting your teammates

[odd wind]

https://streamable.com/6mgr5c

Totally planned 😎

[stoic thorn]

I quite like the mk14 recon las

[steady wolf]

i liked the part at 0:39 when you had 345 toughness 💀

[short fern]

Poxburster coming in clutch like a g

[dawn valve]

is it possible to get make every shot count and on overwatch in the same match?

[timber herald]

Damn, 2 million ordo no 71 / 69 Plasma gun

I think I should finish literally every other weapon on every class before I gamble for one, lol

[candid agate]

plasma gun stinky

[frank ledge]

plasma stinky

join helbore gang

[timber herald]

I think Zarona is my second favorite tied with plasma

Bleh, I shouldn't have pumped that much into one weapon, it'll probably get nerfed / changed at some point

[candid agate]

damn how do you have any fun with this game just one shotting everything

[timber herald]

Play the hardest difficulty with the best gear

[candid agate]

whenever im playing with a plasma vet they just one shot everything

[odd wind]

play the hardest difficulty with mid gear

[candid agate]

removes any challenge

[timber herald]

I guess you're just too good at the game then, congrats you beat it

[candid agate]

i never said i was the one using it

[timber herald]

Oh ok, just leave if you see a veteran in your lobbies so it's fun

[idle swallow]

plasma boring af

[frank ledge]

So does VoC
And Smite
And Ogryn

But most pubers aren't running the proper ones

Let alone properly stats

[candid agate]

ive ran into like

3 good smite psykers?

but every plasma vet i encounter just has some infinite damage build with power sword

[frank ledge]

I've seen some voc vets somehow die and some plasma vets with 62% damage

[timber herald]

Damn, I had another 70/70 but I tossed it, didn't realize empowering can push it one direction or the other

This one went in the wrong direction

[stoic thorn]

I was cooking with my recon las

Carried the game

[green willow]

infernus?

[dreamy ginkgo]

if you only need to magdump everything to carry 😩

[dreamy ginkgo]

the dh nuking build, i like it

[severe gale]

it’s been OP for a while so, no it likely won’t lol

[earnest bone]

its been like this for a year

FS arent the fastest when it comes to rebalance

[severe gale]

that’s perfect

oh wait nvm

is it charge rate 71

[timber herald]

@severe gale Oh ok, guess I'll keep grinding ordo and maybe it will last for another year

Or we'll get a melta eventually and it will be even more broken

[earnest bone]

nah, since we'l be getting some new weps on Dec 3

next ones will be around April-May

[round sinew]

Alright, y'know what? Having realized that my catachan sword can parry a plague ogryn, I've changed my opinion on it. I'm willing to accept subpar damage if it means I can solo monstrosities by saying no to any attack.

[ionic bear]

u shouldve known u can parry a pogryn if u can parry a crusher overhead

[elder fiber]

They should let dclaw parry burster, flamer and barrel pop

ultimate weapon

[ionic bear]

how do u parry an explosion

[elder fiber]

How do you parry a giant stimky ogre stomp

[round sinew]

Gunner parry

[analog yacht]

Not that you can't slowly parry your way to victory but the amount of time this would take, especially with specials and stuff still spawning, would be absurd

[round sinew]

I know, but the damage isn't the main draw for me, it's the defensive capability

So my teammates have an easier time with it

And also it feels really cool to pull off

[analog yacht]

I really wish they'd buff dclaw because the parry is really cool

[round sinew]

Yeah it is one of the most fun abilities in the game, hands down

I can parry crushers

I can parry maulers

I can parry plague ogryns

One veteran with a catachan blade could have soloed Horus

[analog yacht]

It is very safe because of the parry but defense only gets you so far on auric/maelstrom

[round sinew]

True, but the ability to not die is also very helpful

Honestly, with this blade I feel like (given enough time) I could solo a daemonhost

Not that I'm gonna try that, but y'know, maybe

[analog yacht]

Not that they should be the total baseline but compared to Rashad/knife/ds4 it's not much safer and gives up a ton of killing power

[round sinew]

Oh yeah the knife is ridiculous

[analog yacht]

It just gives up far too much for that small edge of defense

I mean arguably ds4 is safer because of infinity dodge

And the crusher stagger poke

[ancient path]

this is why i love devils claw

[round sinew]

Dodge 5 miles backwards and crit backstab like TF2 Spy, the ultimate crackhead's weapon

[ancient path]

Plus it feels hella consistent with heavy strike down

Desperado devils claw is probably my fav vet melee weap

[round sinew]

I usually run power sword on my shout vet because it can be super powerful if you have someone else in front to cover you for the half second you need to power it up, but I might switch to devil's claw because it lets me actually be in front

Also, using any ranged weapon other than the bolt pistol makes me wish I had a bolt pistol now

Yeah, with the infantry lasgun and shock trooper I can spam the trigger for the whole mission and not worry at all about ammo, but with how many shots it takes to kill a mauler, it just makes me wish I had my handy dandy delete button again

[short fern]

onslaught and rend make it not so bad

or rending strikes rather

[ocean idol]

What blessings you prefer on bolt pistol?

[hollow ibex]

on vet? lethal prox + puncture is the clear winner imo

though run n gun might work too, depending on build

[worldly pulsar]

I wish Run 'n' Gun let you reload while sprinting too

[ocean idol]

Lethla prox actually b arely does anything tbh

So probably surgical?

I do like run an gun

[hollow ibex]

it buffs frag radius

which is the main use case for bistol on vet

otherwise you might as well just run revolver lol

[tawny timber]

what is infantry lasgun dump statr

[errant carbon]

Specifically, Lethal Proximity is great because it increases the radius of all your grenades too. If/when this gets fixed, or if you don't care about grenade radius, there are much better blessings out there.

[errant carbon]

What he said

[hollow ibex]

if a gun has mobility, it's always mobility

[ocean idol]

Well DUH

That's what i meant

i tested it extensively

[hollow ibex]

??

it makes a meaningful difference

wdym it barely does anything lol

[ocean idol]

TOgether wtih Tinkerer it gets ssuch huge aoe that you will never find realistically in a real game

the buff simply not needed

[hollow ibex]

nah even if it's just a straight hallway it'll make a difference lol

[ocean idol]

... why would that get fixed? It is literally in the description

[ocean idol]

Nope

did you try it in psykanium?

I did

even base radius is very big

base + tinkerer is enough for 99% of situations

i suppose if you don't run tinkerer then it is ok

[hollow ibex]

ok whatever

i like my frags being even more effective and having nuke-sized radius

if you don't think that's cool, do your thing

[errant carbon]

I guess the assumption is that the gun's blessing ony applies to its own explosions

[hollow ibex]

i'm going to keep enjoying my massive blast radius frags

[ocean idol]

So why puncture instead of surgical?

[radiant chasm]

puncture is better for breakpoints if you aren't getting finesse/crit bonuses,

aka investing all into damage buffs for nades

[hollow ibex]

bistol also gets the bad version of surgical

[radiant chasm]

surgical isn't bad on bistol even

it's more so, yea, deadly accurate+ surgical Bistol

will be ridic

[hollow ibex]

and you don't need surgical to hit the important breakpoints if you have FT

[hollow ibex]

literally just a worse revolver at this point lol

[radiant chasm]

but if you aren't investing in ranged specifically, puncture is just easier, first target especially yea

[radiant chasm]

i don't compare shit to revolver cause while revolver is busted everything else is viable

[hollow ibex]

fair

i'd prefer to run bistol for what i can uniquely though, which is buffing frags

[radiant chasm]

like unless it's really bad, like shredder

[hollow ibex]

rather than trying to emulate the capabilities of a revolver

[radiant chasm]

where you should just use a brauto or iag

[crude fiber]

I enjoy running shredder pistol on a melee build lol, I know it's not optimal but it's silly fun

[hollow ibex]

nah i do too, the main downside is spending one or two more talent points from pathing tax

but it can work pretty well when paired with a more single-target focused melee

like DS or chaxe

[crude fiber]

I use the normal shovel with weapon specialist. Very fun with max attack speed

[tame berry]

.

[hearty panther]

.?

[tame berry]

do you know how to get the mk7 sapper shovel now brother ?

or is it rng when you buy it

[short fern]

just switch it via masteries unlock

[tame berry]

wah

[short fern]

mark 7 you only need level 3

[tame berry]

i been gon for 1year they change a lot,,,

[short fern]

I just recently started playing, I hadn't played since beta, game is much better than I remember

[merry coral]

Beta was rough

launch too tbf

[short fern]

now you can unlock all weapon marks just by using the weapon

and switch them at will on same weapon

it's very nice how easy it is to min-max gear now even though in the end it doesn't make you THAT MUCH better

I have min-maxed gear and I'm shit

[arctic rampart]

I believe in you DirtyManHand. You're good enough, smart enough, and you have min-maxed gear.

[tame berry]

ngl am confuse what you mean by that XD

[late narwhal]

[short fern]

so if you're in game press i and go to masteries at top, select sapper shovel

click blessings menu on right and view the unlocks along the bottom

you level up weapon masteries just by having that weapon type equipped while you play

[tame berry]

✅ it looks so much better

from what i can understand you can buy things now

[short fern]

you'll really like it when you start maxing masteries on weapons you regularly use, can swap out blessings and perks and marks at will

[arctic rampart]

Brunt's has white weapons that with full mastery points you can upgrade. The white weapons have subtle "max" stats typically 1 of them will be dump 360 and the rest 380 (if upgraded). So you get the one with the dump stat you prefer, then upgrade it.

The rest of the pieces are similar.. you get a reward for completing a mission. you get weekly rotating weapons you can maybe pick up. you can get rando weapons

You can now get the exact blessings & perks no more locked gear

[short fern]

same for curios, only stat you're really looking for is the blessing, can swap out perks via mats

[arctic rampart]

Right so since you're in veteran you basically want to consider toughness or +3 stamina these days as the top blessing

[short fern]

it's such a quality of life improvement compared to that RNG shit before

[thin stone]

Fr fr

Tho I was lucky and winning at that rng shit

[final locust]

they adding any new missions soon?

[merry coral]

next update yeah

[final locust]

whens that

[merry coral]

december 3rd

[final locust]

thanks

only reason i keep darktide installed is for new missions

[pseudo fiber]

new weapons and a new gamemode too

[final locust]

by new weapons

is it actual new weapons or just borderline reskins

sorry if i sound rude

[pseudo fiber]

actual new weapons

[merry coral]

New weapons

none for vets tho

[final locust]

damn

sounds about right

[pseudo fiber]

two handed power sword, two handed force swords and a new type of stubber for ogryn

[final locust]

idk why they never add the hotshot lasgun or whatever its called

hellgun

one the kasrkins are always using

[bold patrol]

do grenades break stealth now?

[regal smelt]

we got a heavy stubber

[pseudo fiber]

because it's a backpack weapons

[regal smelt]

only for ogryn though lmao

[pseudo fiber]

underhand throws don't

[serene bough]

I want a hotshot

And a melta

[final locust]

Still dont know why thats an issue

[serene bough]

Plasma pistol could be fun too

But probably will be worse than plasma rifle

[final locust]

we get bolters, plasma guns, etc

no hotshot though

its a no brainer bro

[pseudo fiber]

I don't even think this is the big problem just one people bring up

it struggles to exist in a place in the meta idk

braced lasgun when recon exists

[serene bough]

If you underhand it won't, unless it tags someone like a krak grenade sticky, since it technically counts as a hit

[final locust]

eh

i just think the recon lasgun looks ass

[lilac kayak]

Just get the creature spawner mod and u will get better 10x

[final locust]

personally im past using metas or whatever, I just want something that looks cool, hate to whine but the game got stale for me ages ago

I want something more exciting to use rather than a braced autogun or a bolter

[pseudo fiber]

like a braced lasgun lol

[final locust]

I like the way the recon lasgun plays sorta

I just think the weapon its self looks crap

[short fern]

You can really use just about anything at higher difficulty

[hollow ibex]

Shredder auto pistol in AM

[merry coral]

lezgooo

[bold patrol]

ty

[lilac kayak]

well yes n no

[short fern]

I’m guilty of really only using dueling sword because it’s just so good

[final locust]

This is what I mean, I feel like all the guns added to veteran are just reskins with a couple different perks

[lilac kayak]

I've been fond of capping myself by using a grey shredder pistol and using a combat knife on maelstrom

[short skiff]

Anyone know a decent leveling build for Vet?

[hollow ibex]

All you need to do is go down center and reach voice of command as soon as possible

That’s when the fun begins

[humble spruce]

hey has anyone else encountered a bug or something where if you block in the exact right time of your dashback animation you cant shove?

[ocean idol]

What are good vet melee anti-horde options?

[dry cloak]

Power sword, heavy swords, combat axes

[amber egret]

Anyone know a good infantry lasgun build? Trying it level mine up.

[dry cloak]

Crit build with shock trooper thats yout build for all lasguns

Exept las pistol

[amber egret]

Thanks for the info

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtu.be/Z9UATz5xpOY?si=sgsc3-HpZSVb2WDJ

[ocean idol]

Does heavy sword really work on vet?

[hollow ibex]

It does

[terse idol]

The agrinapinna is probably our most different weapon

[merry coral]

I don't remember, does Survivalist screw with that penance

[final locust]

The agripinaa what?

braced autogun?

or another weapon

[terse idol]

The revolver

[terse idol]

No

[merry coral]

Great

[terse idol]

As long as when you put the gun away

[final locust]

oh

[terse idol]

When it's 0 ammo

[merry coral]

Cause I'm too lazy to change my builds

[terse idol]

Before you gain any more ammo from surv

[final locust]

ngl

to say a revolver is a highly unique weapon

or very different weapon

[terse idol]

I mean it's abit annoying

[final locust]

idk man, games got a bit stale for me i guess

my problem

[terse idol]

But like I beat the penance with a revolver while another vet with a bolter was trying and running surv

[merry coral]

Okay

I guess I'll take the double barrel

[regal smelt]

shotguns, revolver, plasma. no reason to run survivavlist if you're actually going for it

the twins mission works btw, same as rolling steel. Both are short and have tanky bosses with big shield hitboxes

[stable socket]

if your aim is not great (like me), use shotguns cuz clipping anything with a single pellet counts as a hit

[austere mica]

Double barrel works best as you can dump all your ammo in like 30 shots by only shooting both barrels

[thin stone]

Damn

[terse idol]

Plasma ain't bad if you just right click to shoot the entire mission too

[thin stone]

Breh

Idc about plasma gun, best gun is recon imo

[terse idol]

Recon more like

Eh

Its okie

[thin stone]

Bruh

[merry coral]

alright

[ocean idol]

You know what

Infernus with rending talents is hella underrated

[merry coral]

Kinda neat

[steady wolf]

wish they'd add the leather version, "killshot sentry uniform"

[fading yarrow]

28 Aurics in:

[terse idol]

I'm sorry to say but

[fading yarrow]

All that remains are Atoma's Elite Guard and Auric Storm Survivor

[terse idol]

Infernus isn't actually giving you that much extra damage iirc

[sudden elm]

which weapon emobodies a sniper weapon

aka high damage at long range

[frank basin]

If infernus and onslaught work

[terse idol]

Infantry lasgun

Hellbore lasgun

[sudden elm]

which one is better for special snipping

[terse idol]

[terse idol]

Imo infantry lasgun if you're willing to accept you won't be killing crushers with your gun

Hellbore just has worst sights but it's doable

[sudden elm]

i like the helbore sight

[frank basin]

Does infernus and onslaught doesn’t work together?

I haven’t test it

[terse idol]

I dunno actually

[frank basin]

Maybe when I come home I’ll try it

[vapid nacelle]

onslaught is the 16 stacks of brittle right?

[frank basin]

Yes

[vapid nacelle]

here I can test it rq

[frank basin]

Fire and brittleness

[sudden elm]

me who love playing veteren ranger bardin on vt2 using the handgun

[frank basin]

Would be my sweet combination

[sudden elm]

wait what blessings are best for helbore

[frank basin]

Lately I watch someone stream versus Bardin veteran ranger did suspicious cheating

[frank basin]

It depend for mark

[sudden elm]

you dont even needa cheat with handgun

it hits like a truck to most things

[frank basin]

Surgical is what common use

On helbore

[sudden elm]

armor?

armour

bane

?

[frank basin]

Armorbane you ask

[vapid nacelle]

Onslaught does affect Infernus

[sudden elm]

does the brittleness apply to the same hit as what applied it

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[vapid nacelle]

The actual implications of effectiveness though isn't a ton

tried it vs a plague ogryn

burn damage at max Infernus went from 201 to 214

[frank basin]

More likely on crusher

[vapid nacelle]

on crusher yeah

[frank basin]

Do uhhh I think the onslaught stack from direct fire

But is not from infernus itself

Is that correct?

[vapid nacelle]

Correct

[frank basin]

Alright

I guess infernus more meme then

[vapid nacelle]

Dumdum does buff Infernus damage if you're close enough to the target too btw

[frank basin]

But sacrifice crit string

You know headhunter

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

headhunter is good too

I just take dumdum

[frank basin]

Hmmm 10% crits total from perk and talent

I see is fine

If I use recon 12

[vapid nacelle]

I only recently started using recon so

[frank basin]

Do you test weapon using loadout config?

[elder fiber]

You don't need hh for recon, reciprocity + the 5% crit node are plenty

[sudden elm]

suffer from looking at someone's build that has never used veteren, hahahahah

[frank basin]

Yeah but when there isn’t enemy front you at melee range

[vapid nacelle]

yeah

[elder fiber]

It procs vs ranged dodge too

[frank basin]

There’s newer version let you use no strict enforce weapon

There playing around with zealot and plasma

Or crusher and vet

[sudden elm]

right hurt some more

[frank basin]

I means melee enemies like 10 feet away aggro on teammate

They they aren’t focus on you

Any kind enemy not focusing on you no proc

I wouldn’t keep shooting recon at melee range

Would me swap to melee instead

[elder fiber]

idk that's not a big deal and deathspitter is giving you more dmg

[vapid nacelle]

idk what build for recon people usually use but I threw together this

just went for as much damage as i could possibly get lol

[frank basin]

I looking more fun in alternative way

Infernus burn thing up

I had death spitter used long ago got bored up

I know it’s great because strength buff

[vapid nacelle]

most damage I could get out of it

vs plague ogryn

[merry coral]

Jumpscare

[sudden elm]

yeah ik its terrible, its meant to hurt when you look

[ocean idol]

DUDE

that's almost copy of mine

Actually just tested

Having infernus adds 400 dps against reaper

[vapid nacelle]

with literally every ranged damage buff I could reach this is the most I could possibly get out of this thing

no combat stimm

[frank basin]

Marksman looks Buffy with 20% strength

[vapid nacelle]

yeah I got that

[frank basin]

Idk out for blood vs inspiring barrage

I have on my graia braced auto

[ripe totem]

infernus works on onslaught brittleness yeah

but personally to get the most out of an auto las you need reciprocity

and focus target

duelling sword for fatties

[vapid nacelle]

actually

[frank basin]

i had other gun I’m also using is vrak autogun and recon

It’s go be my toughness problem sort off

[vapid nacelle]

the eldritch horror used for that dps

[ripe totem]

I would never run exe stance in a bazillion jillion gazollian years

[frank basin]

So you use VoC instead

[ripe totem]

yeah

[ionic grove]

b-but why 🥹

[frank basin]

Alright

[vapid nacelle]

yeah VoC is definitely better

HOWEVER

walking death star

[ripe totem]

I wish exe stance was good

I really do

[vapid nacelle]

it's fine

[slim urchin]

dump stat for thermal gun?

[ripe totem]

but it just crumbles in maelstrom

[vapid nacelle]

like you can do worse than it

[frank basin]

VoC more defensive play-style

[ocean idol]

If you take Voice btw you will be able to equip Demolition Stockpile

[frank basin]

Plasma?

[slim urchin]

yup

[vapid nacelle]

again

[terse idol]

VOC is just kinda opie

[ripe totem]

isn't plasma like

[frank basin]

Is either charge rate and thermal resist

[vapid nacelle]

this build is not a build I intend to use

this build was assembled purely to see how much dps I could get out of recon lol

[ripe totem]

I think its this

[ocean idol]

How important deadshot is for recon?

[vapid nacelle]

horrible

[ripe totem]

wouldn't bother with DS

[frank basin]

But mostly charge rate because you don’t do charge attack on plasma @slim urchin

[vapid nacelle]

out of stamina in 2 seconds

[slim urchin]

thats what i was thinking

[vapid nacelle]

probably less

[ocean idol]

not really

[scenic oracle]

I can never make deadshot worth it

[vapid nacelle]

I beg your pardon?

[ocean idol]

about 2.5 seconds

[frank basin]

If charge rate deal 2000 dmg i think it’s maybe worth

[vapid nacelle]

we're talking Recon

even with a stamina curio I'm out of stamina in 2 seconds lol

[ripe totem]

I run my autolas like this

[terse idol]

This is the best distribution

[vapid nacelle]

unless you're using the slower fire recons

then I guess it's a little better for those

[ripe totem]

and this weapon spec

[vapid nacelle]

but still

wouldn't use it

[frank basin]

Crit dmg

[ocean idol]

So what blessings are the go to for the recon then

[vapid nacelle]

this is mine

[ripe totem]

you get lotsa crittos

[tall torrent]

Missing breakpoint

[dry niche]

I used deadshot with weapon specialist for the 20% stam recovery on weapon switch

[ocean idol]

Well there are ways to restore stamina on every keystone

[ripe totem]

tbh I debate what to put in crit damage or something else

[vapid nacelle]

Deadshot is ok for some weapons

Recon is just not one of them

[tall torrent]

Crit chance or maniac

[scenic oracle]

I think you're better off putting stamina recovery on a curio

[tall torrent]

Everything else not really relevant

[slim urchin]

crit chance?

[ripe totem]

I think I have enough crit chance so it'd be maniac