veteran-class

[agile forge]

Bolt pistol isn't exactly bad against crushers either tbf

[ionic bear]

Lemme see if I can find it cuz I’m not home rn

[hollow ibex]

bistol and zarona are quite different in role despite superficial similarities

[merry coral]

the fact that one the blessing of the bolt pistol buffs frag grenades is nuts

[umbral scaffold]

Sure, thanks

[agile forge]

What I like about Zarona is that you can just click on any red outline's head and delete it

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[uncut pebble]

This is true, but it's better to spend your ammo on something else.

[agile forge]

Yeah, it's not as if anti-crusher isn't everywhere these days

[umbral scaffold]

Spend ammo on everything like a true reject

[agile forge]

it's not like the start of the game where you often had games where literally nobody could hurt a crusher

[empty root]

lol

[ancient path]

i want to use my devils claw more but with shred. just think it kinda needs reciprocity if i go shred

[empty root]

considering everyone is carrying dueling swords now, crushers are quite trivial

the only time crushers are a problem is when they sneak up behind you

[agile forge]

what.

[umbral scaffold]

What

[merry coral]

[umbral scaffold]

Schyzo

[hollow ibex]

ah yes stealth crushers, my favorite specialists

[merry coral]

We do not talk about stealth crushers.

Or else I may cry a little bit.

[umbral scaffold]

What is a stealth crusher

[ionic bear]

“Why can’t I dodge”

overhead

[wild vortex]

Half ton ogre wearing pots and pans is the most silent enemy on Atoma

[merry coral]

It's just that crushers doesn't make any real sounds

[wild vortex]

[ionic bear]

It’s always the crusher that flawlessly sneaks behind you

[merry coral]

unlike dogs, bombers, trappers etc

[umbral scaffold]

Lmao fr

[hollow ibex]

i swear they fixed it for a while

[merry coral]

and they can litteraly spawn behind you

[hollow ibex]

but now audio is fucked again

[empty root]

I wonder if that was a design choice or an oversight

[ionic bear]

Crushers have a trademark war cry they shout

But sometimes

[merry coral]

and if you're busy fighting stuff in front of you, say, a fuck ton of ragers, well

[ionic bear]

They just

Don’t say anything

[merry coral]

Bonk

[umbral scaffold]

It's overally weird that nothing covered in a fucking unpenetrable armor making no sound at all, it's just bonk and u ded

[wild vortex]

I guess their trademark is the thumping footsteps

But they're not loud enough

[ionic bear]

It’s gotten to the point I have to get saved by the “HUMPH” a crusher makes when they’re charging an overhead

Cuz they’re completely silent on a normal hit or kick

[empty root]

i find it more wierd that a tiny rapier can penetrate them better than a double barrel 50 cal machine gun

[merry coral]

yeah it's drowned in the chaos

[ionic bear]

And they stop shouting at u when they’re in punching distance

[wild vortex]

Bulwarks make more noise than Crushers ffs

At least they shout something stupid

[ancient path]

i think it is time for me to finally use the plasma

[merry coral]

NOOO STOPING MEEEE

[wild vortex]

Crushers just move in menacingly silent

[ionic bear]

Fucking maulers talk more than crushers

“LET ME THROUGH!”

[merry coral]

hahahahahahhahahahah

[ancient path]

lmfaoooooo

[merry coral]

love it

[ionic bear]

Nothing hurts more than getting hit by the most obvious overhead after baiting them to swing

[merry coral]

The abusive relationship I have with taht game smh

[dreamy lantern]

[umbral scaffold]

Lmao

[dreamy lantern]

dude was putting weird shit across multiple channels, wtf even was that

[ionic bear]

“Yeah overhead so I dodge and stab ur head”

crusher locks in, does a quick swipe and guts half my Hp
I panick dodge and he overheads me

[merry coral]

[ionic bear]

Ggs

[umbral scaffold]

Schyzo

[merry coral]

that, or, the sneaky box or pillar behind you that just stops your dodge

"whoops"

[fading yarrow]

I love saying Morrow's voicelines out loud, the accent is intoxicating
"Vere's only one ba'ul fer Armage'un vat ma'ers, marm"

[umbral scaffold]

Sounds aussie

[remote sonnet]

Or scott

[merry coral]

frankly the amount of times on this game when I'm like "ok everything is fine, I'm full life, in total control", 2sc later "OOOH SHIT HUIRH JG%DL KM %RP J"

[remote sonnet]

Or northem Canadian

[merry coral]

It's fun.

[umbral scaffold]

Damnation in a nutshell

[merry coral]

I'm mostly playing auric maelstrom so, yeaaaaah

[umbral scaffold]

For that i haven't grown balls yet

[merry coral]

I've learned that winning is sometimes on option.

[clever hedge]

As if lol

[merry coral]

Eh, I was scared to death to play auric maelstrom before, but, It'll come

ye

haha

[ionic bear]

It’s crazy that morrow still grows meek around a commissar like dukane

[clever hedge]

It's a fun time, full of yelling and dying and more yelling

[merry coral]

don't forget Dying, again

[umbral scaffold]

I realizing the best way to learn is to dive into deep shit but well i dive into damnation and can't manage

[remote sonnet]

Maelstrom, when poxwalkers spawn from every direction, at the exact spacing so they can combo you...

[ionic bear]

The guadsmen muscle memory makes him watch his mouth around her

[remote sonnet]

I got team wiped within 2 seconds mid game, full hp.

[merry coral]

best matches are like, team wipe 2mn in

[clever hedge]

Ooooof

[umbral scaffold]

I hate every mission where that damn adeptus mechanicus calls me a varlet

[clever hedge]

Best get it done early

[ionic bear]

A friend of mine got pox bursted into another pox burster that pre started his dive cuz he predicted it would land around him

[merry coral]

wdym 3 bosses, it's been 2mn

and a DH in the middle

[clever hedge]

It's her way of completing you

Good ol gloryona

[merry coral]

I'd say, you're biased

[remote sonnet]

I fought 10 bosses in my auric horror the other day.

[umbral scaffold]

They forgot to make her cunt mechanical and now she is sour about it

[remote sonnet]

THey always spawn in pair.

[ionic bear]

I hate the enginseer

He talks so slowly

[merry coral]

Ho you wanted to check taht yello chest ? Well, the game will send a dog, except that dog is now a chaos spawn.

[ionic bear]

And he calls us “pre servitors”

[merry coral]

I love the voiceline when he goes "sorry, aging made me forgetfull. and forgetfull aging made me"

[remote sonnet]

Hadron also call us future servitors sometimes.

Or "soon to be"

[merry coral]

I suppose being lore than half machine, and 300+ years old does that .

[umbral scaffold]

Still worse fate is to be a servitor

[merry coral]

or a medicae

[fading yarrow]

I wouldn't say he's meek when he talks to her. The tone is more like a professional courtesy; he's above her in terms of authority as part of Grendyl's warband brass, and he keeps her cooperative through keeping her complacent while the warband hosts her. It's why Dukane tries to lure Morrow out with a military position; she wants him in her neck of the woods, subject to the chain of command. Morrow doesn't need to worry about her, which is why he speaks plainly to her, but warns the Rejects to not get so brave

[umbral scaffold]

Or a fucking door control

[merry coral]

lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Inagine your only point of existence is to open a doors

[merry coral]

well

[umbral scaffold]

OPEN THE DOOR

[merry coral]

I would be more useful to ppl as a door button than working in IT rn

but. hey.

[remote sonnet]

Typical military dynamic

[fading yarrow]

Also Kayex slander is a crime punishable by being promoted from pre-servitor to present-servitor

[remote sonnet]

Yet, we have that Atonement Unit

[fading yarrow]

The Traitor operating the Commissary?

[remote sonnet]

How the fuck can a heretic get to be an Atonement Unit yet us as servitor?

[umbral scaffold]

Lobotomy

[fading yarrow]

Atonement Units are servitors

[remote sonnet]

Yes, but they are still somewhat human, unlike the flying skulls.

Or doorknob

[ionic bear]

Sadly he’s an enginseer so we can’t just kill him

[umbral scaffold]

As a servitor you don't even have a mind of your own, you are just a program, a literal servitor

[fading yarrow]

"Sadly"
"We"

Please face the wall

[ionic bear]

Some servitors do keep their humanity
Not that it’s a good thing

[ionic bear]

That guy sucks. Hadron is the only mechanicus member I can withstand

“Go kill some heretics, good varlet”

[umbral scaffold]

Give him a toaster

[fading yarrow]

Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad

Kayex is a sweet old man

[ionic bear]

Kayex has nothing sweet about him

[fading yarrow]

Bro has not listened to him past "pre-servitor"

[remote sonnet]

Kayex is extremely tame compare to your average tech priest.

[merry coral]

Yeah I like kayex

[umbral scaffold]

What if he has a sugar dispenser?

[ionic bear]

He only ever talks nice about us during rolling steel

[ionic bear]

Yeah well he doesn’t

[merry coral]

Just some mission briefing are soooo long

[umbral scaffold]

You never know

[remote sonnet]

The dude takes time with this words.

[ionic bear]

I find it funny that the rejects talk about space marines like the inquisition can call on them

It’s gonna be the sisters of battle if anything

[remote sonnet]

Depending on chapter

[umbral scaffold]

Most chill is the one who is selling skins

[merry coral]

Space maris wouldn't even fit in some areas we go in

[umbral scaffold]

It would be way too easy to play as space marine anyway

[merry coral]

Well I guess they would just blow the whole planet anyway.

[ionic bear]

I can’t look at “lady Alice” the same. When she greets me with “don’t be afraid to splurge, I won’t tell”

[ionic bear]

Nah exterminatus is an utter last resort

[umbral scaffold]

Not for inquisition

[ionic bear]

A squad of marines can solve this whole situation but they too expensive

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-exterminatus-inquisitor-headsmash-gif-20422853

did someone say exterminatus?

[ionic bear]

Thankfully we don’t have an incompetent inquisitor

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[terse idol]

Well they're better used elsewhere

There is no CSM here

[remote sonnet]

Now thinking about it, none of the enemy in this game has anykind of heavy or anti tank weapon.

[terse idol]

No full blown excursion of daemons

Its just a job for the guard

[umbral scaffold]

Still i find space marines way too overhyped

[remote sonnet]

I go agree

[ionic bear]

The Karnak brother and some bosses wield a plasma gun

That’s about it

[merry coral]

I honestly thought space marines were really cool and all, and then I played Darktide

[remote sonnet]

Ok, that's actually something

[terse idol]

Theoretically there are some enemies with rocket launchers probably shooting the leman russes

As far as what I've seen of the Moebian 6th, they seem to focus more on anti-infantry

Flame throwers

Incind grenadiers

[ionic bear]

Could atleast send some sisters of battle our way

[terse idol]

No need imo

Also too far

And expensive

[umbral scaffold]

True heroes are the regural soldiers who have to fight against every odds, outnumbered and poor supplied while dying in millions

[terse idol]

Like we are in an area where getting help is limited iirc

[fading yarrow]

I see what you mean now

Something to understand is that the servitors that aren't vat-clones (clones make up the majority) are drawn from criminals - i.e., Rejects. Bear in mind, though, that us being Rejects precludes reaching level 30, at which point we're officially part of the Inquisition and safe from servitorization (and it's a shame that level 30 only affects Operative dialogue). So, criminals get hit with the lobotomy and cybernetics and that's that -- but being a Traitor is the worst crime of all, so they have to endure retaining a measure of consciousness for the remainder of their minorly useful existence

[remote sonnet]

Sending storm troopers

[terse idol]

Now to be faiiir guardsmen death are overblown

Space marines die too but they're just

Not that many space marines alive

And they're only really functional in squads

[errant carbon]

Rocket Launchers and Lascannons don't exist (Masozi is able to just sit on landing pads in full view of 50,000 windows and rooftops and nothing ever happens)

[umbral scaffold]

Noted

[terse idol]

I suppose

It's probably why the 6th hijack sky fire turrets

[remote sonnet]

The lore overhype SM quite a bit

[terse idol]

But they do have storm raptors themselves

[remote sonnet]

But in truth, they can be killed easy

[ionic bear]

I low key could imagine a darktide mission where we are sent to check up on a squad of battle sisters that got overrun
We go find them (only 1 is alive) and then we protect her as we try to dig ourselves out of the enemy trenches

[terse idol]

We've seen as much

With the train mission

So she can't just stay there forever in reality

[terse idol]

Ahh ehhh yess and nooo

Like

[ionic bear]

I mean they are still the greatest soldiers a guardsmen could have (cuz a custodes is never finna show up)

[terse idol]

Space marines do die, but they're prowess comes from their tactical experience

And their heavy armour

[terse idol]

Ogryns

[ionic bear]

Just don’t let the marines that come to ur aid be the dark angels

[remote sonnet]

Krak grenade can kill them in the lore...

[terse idol]

Ogryns are better than SM to help guardsmen

[merry coral]

"I guess their power amor help a bit too", a voiceline from loose cannon

[umbral scaffold]

What is sad is that a lot of space marine chapters doesn't give a singular fuck about regular guardsmen or even civillians and often massacring them

[remote sonnet]

In lore, ogryns are stronger than average space marines

[terse idol]

Unless you're being helped by salamanders guardsmen deaths will be looked at as an acceptable loss.

By SM

[merry coral]

As long as heretics and xenos die

Mission accomplish

wdym casualties

[umbral scaffold]

Nothing is worse than grey knights tho, kill anyone just because they seen them

[ionic bear]

Nah they are not
They match a space marine in strength that’s about it
And even then power armor makes a marine even stronger

[fading yarrow]

Dark Angels only really turn on Friendly Fire when Fallen are in the picture; and even that's not true anymore because Lion has returned

[ionic bear]

“Oh so you killed a beast of nurgle?”

[terse idol]

Well there's one book that an ogryn fought space marines in a brawl

However it is just

A single instance

[remote sonnet]

they match SM in power armor

[terse idol]

Books change the power level all the time

For plot purposes

[merry coral]

With or without power armour?

[remote sonnet]

But they are not smart

[terse idol]

Well

If you want to talk about worse

(Don't meet Night lords)

Or lamenters

They're bad luck

[ionic bear]

Alr lemme change it
Just don’t let the marines that come to your aid be the iron hands
Or the marines malevolent

[umbral scaffold]

As any other traitor legion or blood angels

[errant carbon]

Iron Hands would do it if the strategic math checked out. Marines Malevolent would do it just to be cartoonish assholes. Grey Knights would do it because they had seen daemons (this seems to be applied extremely inconsistently and probably depends heavily on which Black Library hack is writing.)

[terse idol]

Let's see bad CSM to meet

Iron warriors

Night lords

[errant carbon]

Lamenters would do it by sheer accident

[ionic bear]

Just about any of them

[terse idol]

Probably emperors children

[terse idol]

Its not a matter of like, getting killed

Its become a matter of, if you get captured how fucked are tou

[umbral scaffold]

U better kill yourself if u see emperors children

[bronze trout]

Kinda depends I feel like, like night lords in general are bad if you met Talos specifically he's technically nicer then a lot of regular space marines

[terse idol]

You kill yourself if you see

Night lords

Dark eldar

Iron warriors

Emperors children yeah

Don't forget iron warriors threw babies into a wall in a book

[bronze trout]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/lik4sw/excerpt_blood_reaver_a_night_lord_dispenses/

[umbral scaffold]

I would rather fight any of them than risk being captured by emperors children dude

[terse idol]

rather fight night lords

[slow spade]

Emperor's Children are bad for a reason

[terse idol]

Remeber when they're one of the traitor legions that specalize in terror tactics

[ionic bear]

I remember a friend of mine said it would be cool if the final boss of darktide was a plague marine but o don’t think he understands how bad it would be

[terse idol]

And will capture you and record your screaming when they skin you alive to play back to your friends

[umbral scaffold]

Nightlords will kill me, emperors children will turn me into a bdsm cumbucket

[terse idol]

Its both

[fading yarrow]

"Often"
This is just not true lol
Many Marines are apathetic, but the majority of existing Chapters are Ultramarines successors; pragmatic, a big difference. In the majority of cases, Marines only accept civilian and tactical losses that they need to accept. The only outcomes in which Marines entirely disregard casualties are when you get grimderp Chapters like the Marines Malevolent

[terse idol]

Night lords will flay you alive

[tall torrent]

DT player characters are strong enough to fight space marines

[ionic bear]

Night lords will turn you into a slave

[umbral scaffold]

I still die

[terse idol]

Emperors children..

[terse idol]

You think it's that easy agiiinnnn

Its just both

There is a reason why you see so many night lords with stretched faces on their pauldrons

And their greaves

[errant carbon]

Depends on who they follow:

• Khorne: Most likely to just kill you
• Slaanesh: [Can't say that in Discord]
• Tzeentch: Unknowable. You have no idea how unknowable. It's so unknowable you'll get sick of it being so unknowable all the time.
• Nurgle: Also bad end, but eventually your misery will overflow from 255 to -255 and you'll be a jolly fat man
• Undivided: Any of the above, or plain old vanilla slavery, as their current needs dictate

[umbral scaffold]

Bro nothing on world terrifies me more than slaanesh, rather skin me alive and wash me in a river of salted lemon than being a whore of emperors children

[terse idol]

You'll hate dark Eldar for sure too

😌

[bronze trout]

Is being flayed alive worse then being made a servitor?

[umbral scaffold]

Extremely

[terse idol]

Yeah

At least you become lobotomized

Kinda..

It's complicated now that I think about it

[errant carbon]

Depends how fast you die after being flayed, and how much you suffer as a servitor. How much pain you're in and how much of your mind s left

[umbral scaffold]

It's like best choice to die is to go against khorne space marines, they will just tear you apart

[merry coral]

Imagine seeing that conversation without any context

[terse idol]

[umbral scaffold]

[terse idol]

Also becuase I must get my words in

[ionic bear]

Yeah as brutal of a death a world eater will give you you stop feeling it 3 seconds in

[terse idol]

Nurgle issss still pretty bad

You could just he

[umbral scaffold]

Exactky

[terse idol]

Chilling on the battlefield and get hit by a viral bomb that melts your flesh

But yesss

Considerably better than most

[umbral scaffold]

There is like billion alternatives of how to die painfully

[terse idol]

Look all I'm saying is im certain nightlords will keep you alive to torture you later, their whole creation was to create as much fear in the enemy as possible to crush rebellions

You don't want to get captured by night lords

[umbral scaffold]

As i said, rather night lords than Emperor Children

[ionic bear]

Thankfully a night lord is probably the most likely to get beat up by our 4 crackheads

Since they have no amps and are no front liners

[terse idol]

Ehh hmm

[bronze trout]

Idk I think it depends, like did you look at that link I posted?

[terse idol]

Any crap i forgot the word

[terse idol]

I'll take a loook

[umbral scaffold]

Imma go get a shower and hope nurgle haven't peed into water

[ionic bear]

Slanesh bath water

[terse idol]

Any horus heresey traitor legion tends to be very very strong

[slow spade]

na, Boltgun is canon remember?

[merry coral]

Which faction are the heretics space marines in space marines 2 ?

[terse idol]

Imo our characters are more likely to take down a generic csm than a chaos space marine like death guard

[slow spade]

the only reason they live is because the Eye of Terror protects them

[terse idol]

[merry coral]

Egyptian looking ones

[slow spade]

Thousand Sons

[bronze trout]

dust boys

[slow spade]

Rubric marines specifically

[merry coral]

Ah, yeah

Well. They're lame

[terse idol]

Now I will say

Most of thousand sons power comes from their sorcerers

[slow spade]

I mean they're just dust automatons. Can't really be that exciting

[terse idol]

The rubic space marines are resilient however

[merry coral]

Just empty armors

[terse idol]

Also a thousands son sorcerer can resurrect rubic space marines from their scattered dust if they can come back to them

[merry coral]

Only some heretic space dust

[remote sonnet]

Only a fraction of the Thousand Sons became Rubic marines.

[terse idol]

The space dust helps them come back

A thousands son sorcerer can resurrect them

They also have no morale and are mostly puppets

[merry coral]

Idk I just prefer horribly mutated space marines

[remote sonnet]

Many of them were loyal, but turned into dust.

[terse idol]

Like, they seem like bitches but they're strong too

[slow spade]

the Possessed?

[bronze trout]

A good thing too cause I'm sure 1000 sons would need a serious name change after SM2

[remote sonnet]

So they are technically zombie.

[slow spade]

I'd rather NOT fight the fucking Possessed lol

[subtle bolt]

So uh, what toughness and health do you guys manage on veteran?

I'm on like 203/75

Is this too low or

[slow spade]

210 toughness, 150 hp

[terse idol]

If we want to talk about it, thousands sons got alotta powerful psykers

[slow spade]

I mean they kind of have to

a Blank Thousand Sons member would be funny though UwU

[short fern]

Where do we even see our total stats

[remote sonnet]

It is kind of funny that the 2nd most powerful psykers legion (not counting GK) is the Space Wolf.

[slow spade]

that's just my stats ingame

[short fern]

I meant like I’m clueless as to where I find my stats rn

[slow spade]

oh you need a mod for that lmao

[short fern]

Ah that makes sense then I was gonna say

[slow spade]

idk which, someone posted an image with detailed stats

[remote sonnet]

Or you go to the Psykhanium

You can change your gears and talents inside of it as well

[umbral scaffold]

Truth to be told i would rather fight a whole new enemy like Tyranids or Orks rather than see space marines or sisters of battle

[slow spade]

"and suddenly the Necrons attacked"

[merry coral]

alright, time to boot up the game, and hate myself because, yes, I clearly saw that sniper that just downed me and I still got shot.

[umbral scaffold]

No chance against necrons lol

[remote sonnet]

Nah, start with gene stealer cult before the nids.

[merry coral]

Ah man, necrons really are neat

[umbral scaffold]

Hey i got bullied by one 2 games before, he was locked me and everytime i they picked me up he shot me dead lol

[merry coral]

a classic

[remote sonnet]

Real life sniper tactic

[slow spade]

I can kill a Heavy destroyer

[merry coral]

tbf, not your fault

[slow spade]

let me at them

[umbral scaffold]

Then i.popped his head open

[merry coral]

they should kill the sniper first

[tall torrent]

Get >200 health and 20% sniper resist

[merry coral]

and pick you up

[umbral scaffold]

Fr, i literaly even marked him 3 times

[remote sonnet]

Injuring you so your team came to pick you up, and they injuring your teammates as well.

[merry coral]

Priorities !

[subtle bolt]

Never really have an issue with snipers

[remote sonnet]

Always clear the the enemy first

If you can't clear them, you can't save them anyway.

[slow spade]

its just new player advice

[remote sonnet]

Too bad so sad

[merry coral]

martyrdom zealot in a nutshell

[terse idol]

40k, when the descriptions mention the lasers that melt flesh instantly vs the crack head with the emperor behind them backing them

[merry coral]

the same emperor that eats 100000 psyker a day

[slow spade]

I'm immune to deathmarks because their rifles can't comprehend how braindead I am

[tall torrent]

You don’t need sniper resist until you do

[terse idol]

I will also say it's just a nice safety net

[candid agate]

not melt, de-atomise

[remote sonnet]

Isn't 1000 though?

[terse idol]

Do you want to take 100% of a snipers damage from a shot

Or 80%

[umbral scaffold]

Suddenly gauss doesn't care since it will turn you back into molecules

[serene bough]

id rather take 0% by dodging

[tall torrent]

Sniper resist exists solely for a defense breakpoint

[remote sonnet]

My Psyker can tank 1 shot of sniper with toughness

[slow spade]

hence Deathmarks

[merry coral]

No clue tbh, my 40k lore is not as good as you I think haha

[slow spade]

its 1000

but to be frank, I don't think they'd care

[tall torrent]

It’s like investing in insurance

[umbral scaffold]

Thousand per planet lolololol

[remote sonnet]

I'm just a gun nut who lives on videogames and happened to walk on 40k a decade ago

[merry coral]

oh hey just a heads up, melk as a +3 stam

[umbral scaffold]

ANYWAY can someone recommend me some main veteran tryhard on youtube?

[remote sonnet]

420, nice

[merry coral]

Thank you melk, it's not like I used 20k+ of your currency this weekend to roll a random +3 stam.

I'm not bitter, you are.

[umbral scaffold]

I gave up rolling anything

[merry coral]

tbf I don't reaaaally care about mek bulks anymore, I'm just over dramatic

[umbral scaffold]

Fair enough

[bronze trout]

Melks currency is worthless now but even so probably not worth blowing that much for something so small of an increase, it will show up in brunts eventually

Might become useful in the future

[merry coral]

yeah well tell that to my min maxing ocds

[umbral scaffold]

After 70 hours i got my first +3 stamina lmao

And 17% toughness

[merry coral]

(the +3 stam on melk is on zealot tho)

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-ultramarines-gif-22239108

[remote sonnet]

I got +3 410 on my Psyker... and I'm like -_-"

[bronze trout]

Since the lock and loaded update finally got me to play alts I actually am using the shop checker app thing again to find those rare curios for them

[umbral scaffold]

Wait

What

Shop checker app?

Huh???????

https://tenor.com/view/facetime-hamster-cute-gif-20553252

[bronze trout]

Let's you check all the shops without having to log in

For all your characters

Was needed for back when you had to look for good rolls on the old system

[umbral scaffold]

Send me da link

[hollow ibex]

I think it’s called darktide armory

It’s a browser extension

[bronze trout]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1000s5t/formally_announcing_the_armoury_exchange/

[hollow ibex]

Ah yes

[bronze trout]

Once I get 3 of each curio on all my characters it goes into the trash

Until the 5th class I guess

[merry coral]

oh boy

[short fern]

So am a missing something reading about grim protocols expansion? Ever class except my favorite is getting a new weapon?

[merry coral]

We've been told that they're gonna explain why in a future blog post

[short fern]

Maybe power sword getting a rework like the new ones

[merry coral]

Don't get your hopes high

[short fern]

Meh I’m not overly worried

A lot of good options to choose from already

[merry coral]

Yeah

it just feels a bit weird being left out

[short fern]

Ironically the only thing I wish was better are the shotguns

[merry coral]

But is ok

you and me brother

[remote sonnet]

I remember psword at release, charged h1 can destroy 3/4 of the boss shield.

Now it needs rework...

[merry coral]

I cannot stand using psword

[remote sonnet]

I don't like it now neither.

[merry coral]

having to proc the thing every 3 strikes

ugh

a shame cause I like the power fantasy of it

[remote sonnet]

Back then you can cancel the charge animation

Which made insanely strong

[merry coral]

I would go for a less powerfull special attack, but keeping the effect as long as you hit things

[umbral scaffold]

Are twitch drops even a thing?

[short fern]

I think the problem is everyone compares it to dueling sword which is just too strong

[merry coral]

I don't think ppl are comparing psword to DS

[short fern]

I think power sword is great for hordes

Still is I mean

[merry coral]

DS on vets/zealot was a mistake tho, that, everyone agrees I think

[remote sonnet]

On vet yes

[short fern]

It’s no mk15 eviscerator but I mean what else compares? 😏

[remote sonnet]

Zealot, not so much

Zealot has some strong melee

[short fern]

Zealot has comparable options already

Knife, eviscerator, both axes all insanely powerful

[merry coral]

Well, except eviscerator, we have that on vet too

But yeah I see your point

[tame lodge]

Every now and then

[remote sonnet]

The 2 hands chainsword?

Do we?

[merry coral]

except

[errant carbon]

I have it on good authority that the Mk13g Chainsword is a better Eviscerator than the Mk3 Eviscerator

[short fern]

Yea but mk15 is god tier

[remote sonnet]

I misread

Thammer is also pretty strong

[umbral scaffold]

Poor crowd controll tho

[short fern]

Thammer/flamer pretty amazing zealot combo

Knives for specials, it’s perfect

Specials you can’t reach rather

[errant carbon]

Yeah I hate having to switch the thing back on every 3 swings (and that only because Power Cycler eats one of the Blessing slots). I wonder if the OG Power Sword will get the heat mechanic from the new one.

[short fern]

I hate having to use power cycler for just 3 swings 🤬

[errant carbon]

Knives also help you animation cancel to shorten the flamer's long-ass draw time

[faint beacon]

reminding me of the argument I had last night LMAO

I unironically want Power Sword to be reworked just cause you're locked into very few blessings

that and Unpowered is useless

[short fern]

The flamer would be one of the worst weapons if it wasn’t for animation cancelling

Takes so long to switch

[errant carbon]

What if Power Sword stayed on until you switch it off, but you have to switch it off before you can put it away

[remote sonnet]

You know what we need? Actual warhammer as a weapon.

[faint beacon]

Thunder hammer

[faint beacon]

I mean thats supposedly what the 2 handed does

[errant carbon]

I thought it just had the heat mechanic

[remote sonnet]

Thammer is just a big sledge, but a warhammer by design definition.

[faint beacon]

well yeah you can turn it on or off

just heat kicks you out and locks it up for a bit

if it hits 100%

[short fern]

So psyker has two mechanics to juggle now

[errant carbon]

Never heard anything about it requiring you to switch it off before you could put it away though

[tall torrent]

WIP sneak peek

[remote sonnet]

Nah, people will find it even more annoying to use.

[orchid hemlock]

Watch path, your guide will be on the launcher I believe

Fatshark will promote it

[tall torrent]

this is what a completed weapon section will look like

[tall torrent]

[umbral scaffold]

Uh did you really could carry 5 fucking granades back in a day?

[crimson sparrow]

How do we feel about Indieprides Commissar build he did for Fatshark? I'm looking for a good Commissar style hybrid build.

[shadow dagger]

are you talking about maelstrom modifiers or

was there actually a time where you started with that many nades at default

[candid agate]

think it was always 3

dont remember much from year 1 of darktide though

[tough flower]

Sneak peek? More like peak.

[orchid hemlock]

Chainsword is just OK, but there are many better options for horde clear

Bolt pistol is sorta overshadowed by the revolver

[shadow dagger]

how do the +blast radius stuff actually work with shredders

I know the actual knockdown + direct damage effect range is lower than the bleed application range

but like

[tall torrent]

It increases the bleed application range

[shadow dagger]

I feel like I've seen bleed applied to enemies 3-5 business days away from the det

[tall torrent]

Base blast radius is 10m

Tinkerer +2.5m

Lethal prox +2.5m

Total 15m

Which is a x2.25 increase to blast area (100m^2 vs 225 m^2)

[hollow ibex]

Beautiful

[tulip dirge]

Hey, wanted to ask what's the best stuff for Lucius pattern? like perks and stats

[tall torrent]

Which variant

[tulip dirge]

Mk IV

[tall torrent]

Carapace + maniac

[candid agate]

what perks are needed for rashad breakpoints or whatever, wanna try it out

[shadow dagger]

what bps does maniac help boltor hit again

[tulip dirge]

I was trying to build it around crit and infernus, but it ain't working like I hoped lol

[shadow dagger]

I think the guide in pins goes over all the stuff to pick

[ionic bear]

am i a karskin chat

[shadow dagger]

a perk that wants you to shoot a single target multiple times

on a slowish firing

high damage per shot weapon

isn't exactly the best choice

[tulip dirge]

Yeah but idea was cool ;_;

[candid agate]

use for the drip mod and add a gas mask and your closer, but this is quite good already

[tall torrent]

Carapace + elite/unarmored

[shadow dagger]

I think people use that one charge time blessing

[tall torrent]

Infernus is not worth, get surgical + weight of fire

[candid agate]

isnt there a bunch of like class perks you need as well

[shadow dagger]

it's a little boring but it works fine

[candid agate]

*talents

[shadow dagger]

thats what the guide is for

I'd go and open it up but androids and word docs have historically not cooperated well

[candid agate]

idk where to find the guide

[shadow dagger]

in pins

[candid agate]

didnt see that reply sry

[shadow dagger]

guhh

[tall torrent]

Flamer 1hs
Flamer 1 bodyshot in exe stance with PF + puncture

[shadow dagger]

I assume the first is kinda irrelevant assuming prestacked pf?

though I suppose assuming you prestack x5 every time is kinda silly

[tall torrent]

I don’t assume pre stacked PF

[shadow dagger]

yeah fair enough

we love variables that are borderline impossible to consistently test

waiter waiter more warp rider please

[tulip dirge]

500 warp riders.

[tall torrent]

[slow spade]

And it actually looks good too

[elfin trellis]

Does the Deadshot bonus crit chance and sway reduction go away when you run out of stamina or is it as long as you're aimed in?

[grand perch]

no stam no bonus

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

Deadshit

[elfin trellis]

Yeah that's unfortunate. I know the recon lasgun doesn't really need buffs but it'd be nasty if it stuck around as long as you were aiming in but that makes sense

[heady trout]

recon lasgun, 80dam, mobility, stability but 77 ammo 63 collat. Good pickup for fresh lvl 30 vet? only 3% ammo off max i guess?

[orchid hemlock]

colat is the dump stat

[hollow ibex]

Could dump mobility and stability too tbh

But yeah that’s a great start

[heady trout]

thank you

[echo copper]

What are good perks to slap on a Bolt Pistol, or is good ol' Flakiac still the way to go?

[hollow ibex]

Bistol is super specific, check the guide in the pins

Also very important to run it either with focus target or exec stance

Unless you plan on depending on crits, which can be annoying

[echo copper]

I'm a bit of a crit-gambler myself.

[frank basin]

I found another killer whale user

It was here debating with path for brutal momentum need nerf and that guy is ogryn main

Doesn’t want bm get touch for his shield

[echo copper]

I'll take a peek, but I am doing neither of those things.

[thin echo]

I'm new to veteran, but I never seem to replenish toughness. (I used to main Psyker 24/7 and I'm branching out just now.) Any advice on how I can die less as the Roughneck?

[round geyser]

Everyone and his mother will tell you to use voice of command

[tough flower]

Melee kills is honestly the answer.

Psyker gets toughness for generating and quelling peril

We must slay the heretic for our strength

[round geyser]

Confirmed kill is another good one

[tough flower]

Confirmed Kill procs on all specialist and elite kills, right?

[tame lodge]

Out for Blood

Top right

[hollow ibex]

Confirmed Kill Out for Blood and VOC are the main ones

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

Honestly I usually find regenning toughness easier on vet than psyker

Big amounts of it at least

[tough flower]

I feel like I make builds in a trance so I never actually read the talent names

[merry coral]

I just click on pretty icons

[tough flower]

My builds are revealed to me in dreams

[round geyser]

This is personally what I’d use but feel free to muck around with it

[thin echo]

Same honestly, I didn't even realize most perks exist

[thin echo]

Thanks

[tough flower]

What weapons are you using

Also, a big thing for you to understand with Vet.

Use Iron Will.

It's kind of stupid how good it is.

Doesn't regain toughness but it helps it stick around a lot longer.

[hollow ibex]

Iron Will 🤝 Demo Team

[tough flower]

Demolition Stockpile, my beloved

I literally never pick up grenades

[round geyser]

Well after throwing that together I’m now sleepy

[round geyser]

Pal are you talking to the guy who asked about vet or you talking to me

[tough flower]

I'll let you take an educated guess

[thin echo]

Lol

[tough flower]

It's not you

Lol

[round geyser]

The guy who asked about vet lol

[tough flower]

Yes

Your build is very similar to what I use, so I figure you know what is what

[round geyser]

That build I just threw together

That’s not my actual build

[tough flower]

Ah

I mean I have several for Vet, but it hits a lot of the big important nodes

Although I'm a sucker for Superiority Complex

[merry coral]

keystoneless enjoyers

[shadow dagger]

this build template looks a little silly

also if you're really struggling for toughness I heard out for blood has been a sleeper pick

well not really anymore

it's got outta bed and washed it's face by now

[tough flower]

If it's not WS it might as well have no Keystone tbh

[hollow ibex]

Nah FT is just as good

[shadow dagger]

I always run this as the backbone of most my builds

[tough flower]

Just as good feels like a bit of a stretch.

[shadow dagger]

i could probably drop fully loaded + superiority complex in some of them but I just like the ammo

[tough flower]

It has uses, but I feel like it isn't always applicable

[hollow ibex]

A lot of weapons benefit massively from it, just like WS

WS is more fun though

[tough flower]

But FT only affects a single target at a time

[tall torrent]

It’s better for weapons that need breakpoints

[shadow dagger]

realistically, it's always applicable isn't it

[merry coral]

all tehe team benefits it tho

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[tall torrent]

It’s situationally worse for weapons that don’t need it for breakpoints

[tough flower]

Hmm

That makes sense

I still don't know that it being useful for hitting breakpoints makes it as good as WS

But I see what you mean

[tall torrent]

Being able to 1 shot things extremely consistently is a big deal

[shadow dagger]

the times focus target is useless is when there's nothing to ping, and if you struggle with unpingables then honestly wdf are we doing

target down my goat

[tough flower]

Sure, but the stacks of focus target take time to build up, ideally aren't you using it on high priority targets with high stacks?

[shadow dagger]

no?

[hollow ibex]

Nah best use it to just spam it on everything

[remote sonnet]

Just spam it

[shadow dagger]

you always start at 1 stack, and its value doesn't exponentially grow with the number of stacks saved

[tall torrent]

Then you’re understanding the keystone wrong
I don’t blame u for that because the game doesn’t explain how it actually works

But it has a minimum refresh mechanic

[remote sonnet]

It stacks every quick, especially when your adrenaline is high when fighting hordes.

[tough flower]

Completely believable that I don't understand it

Hmm, I see

[hollow ibex]

Me when i used to think 8 stacks was the right way to use it

[tall torrent]

If u tag smth, kill it within 2s, tag another
That 2nd tag will have 2 stacks instead of 1, even though the stack time isn’t complete

This means if u rapid tag -> kill, you’ll have 2 stacks on every enemy u tag

Not 1 stack

[tough flower]

That's kind of hilarious

[tall torrent]

2 stacks is 1.04^2 which is multiplicative x1.0816 dmg taken on the enemy

Focus target’s effect is not +damage, it’s xdmg.taken

Which is multiplicative to damage & strength

So it scales higher in overall calculation

[tough flower]

Ohhhh

I didn't realize there would be multiplicative damage scaling in Darktide.

I'm familiar with the concept because of WF, but I didn't even think of it here

Hmm

[tall torrent]

Also focus target is usually a 2 point cost

You sort of really want redirect fire if u take it

[remote sonnet]

Well, there is also brittleness, which is like corrosive in WF.

[tall torrent]

But that 2 point cost is a lot of extra damage

[tough flower]

Onslaught my beloved

[tall torrent]

Onslaught is not worth 95% the time

[remote sonnet]

Depending on the weapon you use

[tough flower]

I know, but it definitely performs with Mark VI recon las

[round geyser]

my personal build well its tailored

[tall torrent]

I can’t wait to write “usually not worth” for onslaught in the steam guide

[remote sonnet]

If you are not using high rof, don't

[tough flower]

1500ish DPS against crushers

[merry coral]

when is it worth tho

[tough flower]

Much higher against DH and bosses

[tough flower]

I would still agree with this though

[tall torrent]

When you purposefully skip out on anti-Armor melee and run a high firerate gun

[tough flower]

I only use it for one gun

[tall torrent]

Which is just not a good idea most of the time

[remote sonnet]

Mostly on recon las and BAG

[round geyser]

in a good mood today for some unknown reason so i decided to post my build

[hollow ibex]

Onslaught is a trap

[tall torrent]

It only really matters for 2 weapons

Vraks V (magdumping crusher)
Recon XII (magdumping crusher)

[tough flower]

Agree

Although again, bosses also feel the hurt majorly

[tall torrent]

Nah

[remote sonnet]

If they buff the shredder pistol, which is never, maybet that one, too.

[tough flower]

Taking a Plague Ogryn to town with no threat is kind of useful as well

[tall torrent]

Brittleness is not standard +damage

Brittleness is ADM modifier

You have to have a weapon that normally sucks vs unyielding for onslaught to noticeably help

[remote sonnet]

Shredder pistol needs to have Onslaught as baseline special. Then we can put Onslaught on top of that.

[tall torrent]

I wrote abt all of this in my guide u should prob check it out

[tough flower]

I should

I'm sure there's a lot I could do better

[tall torrent]

ADM section

[round geyser]

reading who even does that

[tough flower]

It's wild that this gets programmed and then explained nowhere

[remote sonnet]

It is the case for many games

When you have so many sub mechanics, you let the player to discover by themselves. Some are unintentional.

[hollow ibex]

Found the ogryn main

[tough flower]

Ah yes, this is certainly the intended design

[sick marsh]

Is bromentum or sunder better for achlys better?

[pseudo fiber]

Bromentum

[fast sundial]

how good is it with infernus reconlas

on like, bosses

[tall torrent]

helps but is usually not a huge deal because most of the dmg comes from Infernus

[fast sundial]

does it not affect infernus

[tall torrent]

it does

burn just doesn't have low unyielding ADM

[fast sundial]

i see

i do wonder just how much burn does

and is it even worth shooting past a crit string

probably not

[tawdry jackal]

thinking im gonna dump stat thermal resistance since finding the perfect plasma gun is hard as fuck

currently have charge rate dump statted

thats for like an interim plasma gun

[tall torrent]

max burn stacks from Infernus is 12

which is after 3 crits with recon

[hollow ibex]

Usually accounts for 25 percent of my ranged damage or so

Not too shabby

Reasonably good against bosses as well

Can help save ammo

[fast sundial]

i'm just pondering how long they last

[tall torrent]

I forgor

[fast sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

[fading yarrow]

Queue into AuDam Chasm Station
Teammates shoot every Pox Burster as soon as I'm about to shove them

Leave

[bronze trout]

This is weird

I'm assuming he was gonna talk about onslaught or something, the one I was running for reference

He said this mid match

[narrow frost]

focus target

my guess

[glacial yacht]

how can he even see your current build other than your weapon ability and passive

[narrow frost]

mod

inspect from social

[bronze trout]

Yeah I assumed there's mods for it

Weird he's checking it mid match though

[glacial yacht]

oh ok

what weapons ya using

[bronze trout]

recon and knife

[glacial yacht]

oh i like the brittleness node with the recon but i like your build still

[bronze trout]

I switch between that and this

Kinda undecided on which I like better

[glacial yacht]

the 40% damage thing he was talking about was prob the brittleness node tho thats not exactly a raw 40% damage increase lol

[bronze trout]

It's not, it lets you kill crushers but thats about it

[glacial yacht]

i like shooting them which is why i take it but if you knife em to death then youre build is nice. its got some quality of life stuff too

[tall torrent]

How much damage did he do

[bronze trout]

He did fine from what I remember, it was regular damnation so the numbers were nothing special but my team mates were going down left and right and I had to do every objective myself

He was playing psyker though

[fading yarrow]

AuDam Chasm Station complete, Hi-Intens STG, zero downs and deaths

It's amazing what good teammates can accomplish

[round geyser]

Hey question about the recon lasgun and onslaught

Onslaught is best used with automatic weapons correct?

And the mk14 recon lasgun is full auto

[tall torrent]

No

Onslaught is best used as in “don’t use it”

Because it’s only really relevant if you purposefully forego anti-armor melee weapons and decide that magdumping crushers with a rapid fire automatic gun is how you want to play

[round geyser]

I mean my melee is a chain sword

[hollow ibex]

Repeat after me kids: Onslaught is a trap.

[tall torrent]

Uh

Sure?

Then it’s like

If u want to shoot at crushers with ur gun

Boltgun is right there

[round geyser]

Hammer my man under normal circumstances I’d totally agree with you but this is something I need to find out for myself

[tall torrent]

If ur running chainsword ig u could go onslaught on ur gun

It’s just not smth I would personally enjoy playing or recommend

[fading yarrow]

I swear
The game just refuses to let me dodge sometimes

[wild vortex]

does anyone have a Marksman's Focus Recon Las build..

[round geyser]

its the shitty servers bro

Hell I couldn’t even switch weapons or sprint

[tall torrent]

I got radar charts working

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[tall torrent]

[narrow frost]

going to do it for all

weapons?

[pseudo fiber]

Clean clean clean

[tall torrent]

Yes

[narrow frost]

Have fun

[pseudo fiber]

The second this guy gets uploaded I'm sending it all the praise

[pale pecan]

Onslaught was goated when DOT could also apply the stacks. Made Shredder Frags actually shred

[hearty panther]

dont believe thats how that worked

[pale pecan]

It did work like that at one point

[pale pecan]

Back when on hit effects also applied to DOTs

[tall torrent]

Look at how peak this is

Oh my god

[pale pecan]

They changed it ages ago

[tall torrent]

I can include like

Everything

[pale pecan]

Very nice, I wonder if there are reload tricks like that for other weapons

Actually nvm ik there are

[tall torrent]

Mainly recon, Zarona & Boltgun

Most relevant for recon

Boltgun’s reload cancel requires turbo autism because it’s like 3 steps per reload

[pale pecan]

I'm sad I'm gonna be away from home when the update drops

I wanna hop into Havoc asap

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver is only because the ammo refill happens before u actually insert the bullet

[pale pecan]

I remember noticing that

[pale pecan]

I'm gonna dm something rly quick

[sick marsh]

finally unbricked.

[ancient path]

i saw a vid on weapon specialist on plasma gun

is that a real combo or nah

[ancient path]

nice drip

[tall torrent]

Is real, requires dropping survivalist for breakpoints

U could like, sort of cope with Longshot but I don’t like that cuz it needs >15m for flamers

[ancient path]

hm. alright

gotta level up plasma gun and ive never used it

and i kind awant an excuse to devils claw weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

U could also cope with crit 1 tap RNG

But plasma really benefits a lot from consistency

[ancient path]

i feel you

i mean im pretty casual and play auric maelstorm sometimes

[tall torrent]

If I wanted crit RNG I would go play psyker or revolver

[ancient path]

mostly if i feel like having my eardrums fucked by mutant asmr

or deal with audio inconsistencies or issues. but that could be me coping with getting shot by every trapper net imaginable

[hallow drift]

Infernus laspistol says hello

[tall torrent]

That’s like a psyker only thing

Infernus is not worth on laspistol for veteran

Dum dum
Desperado
Ghost
All way better

[hallow drift]

Gambling on RNGsus is still gambling, even if it’s suboptimal lol

Ghost my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-gif-19627322

The sniper when I slide around the corner dumping my battery into a reaper’s face

[trim lantern]

Just got a priority message from a wyrmwood agent I sent to the Carnival... Karkin' Rinda's going off the deep end, from what I hear, and Wolfer's somehow surprised!

I just can't wait for when the update comes and I get a chance to tell him... "Why are you surprised?"

• Betrays his troops (because NURGLE SCARY!)
• Is surprised when the traitors loyal to him are okay with stabbing him in the back "because zombies are cool!"

[pale pecan]

I'm rly hoping Havoc brings out the god squad team players

I want a support zealot, crit aura Trauma flame psyker, Gun Lugger Ogryn for boss DPS, and then recon shocktrooper lasgun vet.

Just let them go crazy with the crits

[trim lantern]

Nah, I'd goof

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-bonk-gif-1640802954755837923

[pale pecan]

real

I'm probably gonna have to end up soloing to H40 with stealth vet and a dream

I've got all my best builds and combos ready tho

Too bad I'm gonna get back to the update like a week late

[trim lantern]

Antics aside, I fully admit that my PC just restarted itself because of some kind of act of God that almost made me fear for my power supply. XD

[pale pecan]

all the hardcore people are gonna be H40 already

ranked Darktide is gonna be a nightmare lmao

But a fun challenge

[trim lantern]

I'd be surprised if I find myself up there by default due to my shenanigans

I'm the kind of person that tends to want to play a game "good" while still having fun about it!

[pale pecan]

I'm one of those players where I'm like, I fucking love it when we have a good team comp, but I'm just so used to bringing safe builds I can try to solo with

[trim lantern]

Idk if my perspective makes sense, though, but I get what you mean. ❤️

"Just in case..."

[pale pecan]

That's fair

I just like trying and experimenting with new ways to play

[trim lantern]

😮

[pale pecan]

But that can be hard sometimes with builds that don't fill a niche your team needs.

Atleast the fragger build fits into literally any team comp

Can't go wrong with that one

[trim lantern]

I don't feel insane anymore... because I know someone else knows wtf I mean... ;-;

Yes

Sorry if that sounds unhinged...

[pale pecan]

I'm one of those people where I like making bad builds good through sheer force of will

Just because they're fun

I don't care so much about build performance anymore since I've played this game so long I can supplement most weaknesses just via knowledge.

[trim lantern]

And I fully admit that I'm trying my best to improve as a person (on top of the typical social life stuff.) ❤️

[pale pecan]

Oh 100% feel you there

I've certainly gotten way better at the game after learned here

Just not all info is presented in the most "uplifting" manner

I've seen it all before though so idc

[nocturne mulch]

I'm going to take vet Achlys Combat Axe + Shredder Autopistol + ES all the way to top.

No voc/stealth cheese or overtuned weapons

Just sheer will.

https://tenor.com/view/robust-precise-john-wick2somellier-shopping-gun-gif-23490367

[clever hedge]

A man of sheer madness

[nocturne mulch]

Ill even use smokes

So no scavenger aura

Never been so excited for self harm!

[pale pecan]

WS build?

[nocturne mulch]

Nope

[pale pecan]

I remember the days when the Shredder AP used to rule the world

Best gun in the game

even better than the bolter and plasma

It feels so long ago now

[nocturne mulch]

Ultimate W + M1 simulator

[pale pecan]

My personal build of choice is probably going to be my Veteran Fragger build, but some tweaks since FS patched some stuff

[nocturne mulch]

Grenades?

[pale pecan]

Grenade spam yes.

All the grenade talents, and all the weapon boosts that affect grenades.

[nocturne mulch]

Build?

[fringe lake]

when running marksman's focus, do you actually try to keep the stacks up at all time or is it more of a passive thing? also I think infernus on recon lasgun kinda takes the kill and doesn't grant the stack so not sure if it's worth running?

and how viable is no keystone vet since I've been seeing some builds, I'm kinda out of the loop cause I didn't play in a while

[nocturne mulch]

Its pretty easy to build and maintain stacks even while moving

[fringe lake]

on poxwalkers?

[nocturne mulch]

No, just playing normal

The stacks drop off 1 by 1

[pale pecan]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d575982-9f33-4b90-9c58-b65621d6cf6c/veteran-fragger

Updated it to current standards

Not the exact version I'm using rn though (shock maul instead of chainaxe)

[fringe lake]

ok thanks

[pale pecan]

This build basically just lets you use grenades as free toughness healthkits

[nocturne mulch]

Doesnt longshot affect nades,

[pale pecan]

It does, but it's not worth it

[fringe lake]

what about this question if you don't mind

[nocturne mulch]

Yes there are no keystones builds

[pale pecan]

Since the dmg starts out at like one-one thousandth of a % at like 12m I think?

I don't remember

but it basically only gives you max dmg at stupid ranged

[nocturne mulch]

There was a time vet didnt even have keystones in our tree

[pale pecan]

There is a version that further buffs the grenades, but you sacrifice team support for it

And become way less tanky

[nocturne mulch]

Nice chainaxe tho

[pale pecan]

This build is one of those that will stand the test of time anyways

Even if they nerf the blessings

Especially since there are alternatives to the Chainaxe, it was just what I wanted rn

But I actually do like that chainaxe because the quick stab poke lets you build stacks of slaughterer really fast for buffing the nade dmg

[nocturne mulch]

Nah chainaxe rocks, dont be a meta slave

[ancient path]

im with you until you said shredder autopistol!

how the heck are you using that weapon

[pale pecan]

Oh I know, I've learned to use just about every weapon, except maybe Paul

fuck the paul tbh tho

it feels so awful

[ancient path]

RIP paul.

[nocturne mulch]

You play it exactly like it used to be played

ES then hold W and M1

It is just lesser dps than it used to be

[ancient path]

c-cant braced autos do the exact same thing but better

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah they can

[pale pecan]

I really would only use Shredder on a Weapon Spec build nowadays

[nocturne mulch]

It is a handicap I put on myself

[pale pecan]

But that's just me

[nocturne mulch]

I use it because its weak

To make the game harder

[pale pecan]

The appeal of the shredder AP is the ability to quickly take out soft targets

In tandem usually with an AP or slower primary/melee

[bronze trout]

The appeal of the shredder is that its way cooler then the braced autogun

[pale pecan]

I wish it had a better niche

I just don't like how it feels anymore

[round geyser]

this may sound like a dumb question but anyone ever wonder what material is used to make the chainsword?

[bronze trout]

The ganger class will get to dual wield shredders and then it will be good again

[worldly pulsar]

Same made up things as everything else in 40k- ceramite, plasteel, and adamantium.

[tawny timber]

why is shock maul dodge so bad

[junior haven]

its awful. i agree. but i guess they want you blocking and stunning.

blocking, stunning, and pushing.

what with that perfect block blessing

[queen fox]

what are the recommended plasma gun blessings?

[tall torrent]

They nerfed it this update

[junior haven]

veteran can't have shit

in atoma

[tawny timber]

stunning is lowkey a joke except against ogryns

bc of the lock on mechanic

imo

and ragers tend to come in groups so its not really optimal for that

[junior haven]

im using it on my psyker but im about to move on to something else

[tawny timber]

i really enjoy the moveset and the vibe but i hate that i cant fucking move

like its probably the most realistic looking weapon in game which i like

like i get what they were thinking with the shit dodge stats but realistically the dueling sword or knife are so OP in comparison

[grand perch]

I hope they hold them sideways

It's the ganger way

[worldly pulsar]

Upside down, pull the triggers with their pinky fingers

[umbral scaffold]

Good morning Cadia

[marble agate]

do yall prefer the tac or combat axe

I cannot decide

[zenith widget]

combat

[queen fox]

man how do videos like this end up posted online

[zenith widget]

tac is better for clutchin but it's too much movement , i wanna have some meaty swings

[queen fox]

too much movement sounds like an oxymoron to me

[marble agate]

also is the combat blade like at all viable on veteran or is that like only put on veteran to pad his melee slots cuz I feel like it is only useful on zealot

[tall torrent]

Combat axe is much better

[tall torrent]

Knife for veteran is viable but requires very significant talent investment if u want to use it as a proper melee weapon

[marble agate]

it looks so cool tho

[tall torrent]

I know

But axe is cooler

[marble agate]

I don't know man normal ass knife with little metal skull hanging off the bottom against unspeakable horrors is pretty funny

[tall torrent]

Knife is pretty strong

But the investment for it on veteran is just crazy

Axe is 2 point less investment for a much more well rounded generalist melee

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ?si=9eeCxbwLoA-3gRgp

[zenith widget]

a grenade for yeeee

[hallow drift]

I like to think it’s either fun people who can laugh at themselves or their siblings/SO’s finding the vid and posting it somewhere lmao

[marble agate]

accidentally found my twin a few days ago