horus' soul got kaboom'd
#veteran-class
tall torrent
tall torrent
sanguinius' soul remains in the warp so he can still help blood angels (Dante, Mephiston) in the form of "it was revealed to me in a dream"
uncut pebble
Iirc his soul was made when the Emperor took two minor warp deities and crammed them into one vessel.
So in all actuality, the psychic scream he released upon his death could've just been those warp entities parting.
Meaning Sanguinius could still be revived, but only by the Emperor himself.
remote sonnet
Primarchs are not only build in the lab, they are infused with minor god souls.
uncut pebble
(this is blood angel copium)
steep vault
didn't emps say he could fix manus
remote sonnet
That's why Horus clone is just the bio clone.
steep vault
after his head got lopped off
uncut pebble
I dont remember.
remote sonnet
Fulgrim clone actually has a shard of Fulgrim OG minor god soul.
steep vault
which is what I find strange
frank basin
no fake patch notes
No do on new account
uncut pebble
But I do remember Him saying that He could fix Mortarion.
frank basin
I got warn and my post deleted from Xbox reinforcements meme
severe gale
who up
steep vault
cuz he said he can't fix angron
frank basin
Anime
short fern
I am very much enjoying the lasgun crit ammo, so glad they reversed the nerf
uncut pebble
i’m on the way home from work rn
Uber?
frank basin
k
severe gale
i loveee signalis
uncut pebble
(that's it, that's the entire game)
severe gale
cigarette wife is such a good song
idle swallow
frank basin
SESBIAN LEX
So you’re a woman and you have gf that’s means you’re lesbi 
uncut pebble
So you’re a woman and you have gf that’s means you’re lesbi <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077...
Yes that's literally the game.
That's what it is.
uncut pebble
You aren't too bright, are you?
idle swallow
frank basin
frank basin
Helluva community
trim tiger
is this game good or nah. re clone good?
idle swallow
If you played and enjoyed REmake or any of the original silent hills 1 to 3, signalis will be right up your alley
copper plank
Does veteran get any new weapons for the December update? I saw the two handed power for zealot, two handed force for Parker, and the heavy stubber for oggy, but nothing for vet. Did I miss something?
soft trellis
faint beacon
Does veteran get any new weapons for the December update? I saw the two handed p...
No but supposedly balancing to the weapons? Possibly?
Either a good or bad thing
copper plank
But they could just do one for everyone?
steep vault
Does veteran get any new weapons for the December update? I saw the two handed p...
we got good news mate
dry niche
Did vet have more weapons than the others?
faint beacon
Tin stop spreading misinformation literally right after you made it
steep vault
Tin stop spreading misinformation literally right after you made it
I can't wait
faint beacon
I’m giving you a day till I’m not going to correct you
steep vault
I'm too giddy about it
steep vault
I’m giving you a day till I’m not going to correct you
a day it is
gleaming adder
Please.....Helgun.....PLEASE
copper plank
I wanna see them add the belt fed for the game art in vets perk tree
copper plank
I hate that they would cock tease us like that
grand perch
just get that onto reddit already
pseudo fiber
But they could just do one for everyone?
fleet garden
when is vet getting anything two handed?
faint beacon
when is vet getting anything two handed?
Most likely never
It’s probably going to be like
A stubber or helgun
Something ranged
pseudo fiber
Powerfist or smth
faint beacon
Doubt it
pseudo fiber
It's a guard weapon
They wouldn't not give vet a new weapon for no reason so
I am curious what they're doing
fleet garden
give me melta or plasma incinerator
longlas works but it would be clunky in darktide
placid shoal
this is a joke right?
terse idol
Oh that's pretty good
supple stag
does anyone have the video of rashad breaking ragers combo?
stuck gorge
vet already has like 5 bajillion weapons
serene bough
true but 5 bajillion +1 would be nice
stuck gorge
true...
tough flower
It's real
serene bough
ive been baited
serene bough
if john fatshark said so then it must be true
tough flower
Fat Jockshart
I apologize for the brainrot.
My job is slow and it's eating my sanity.
remote sonnet
They should buff the venting, like making faster and not damaging you.
Right now, reloading is just faster while suffer no drawback.
stuck gorge
ah yes... remove the one thing that prevents it from being completely brain dead m1 spam...
hard cave
I think the shock maul is under rated
wild vortex
this good for stealth vet with smokes and WS?
choosing mk2 over the other marks because the attack patterns look better for generalist mixed horde clearing, and the single target looks pretty straightforward with special into H1
orchid hemlock
tacit pike
what is the best way to get "make every shot count"
tall torrent
what is the best way to get "make every shot count"
DB shotgun
tacit pike
DB shotgun
elaborate
frank basin
Regular shotgun no?
remote sonnet
Low ammo count
tacit pike
i also need to NOT MISS
remote sonnet
And 1 pellet hit count as a hit.
wild vortex
i also need to NOT MISS
damn near impossible to miss with shotguns
tacit pike
and the pellets that dont hit?
frank basin
Yea
wild vortex
if even 1 pellet hits it will count, due to minimum pellet count system
remote sonnet
Unless you intentionally hit the sky, then there is no help
round geyser
Are you fucking serious
Zealot, ogryn and psyker get new weapons and we vets are left high and dry
hearty panther
good
earnest bone
bronze trout
tall torrent
That’s pretty unfair
it's fine
tacit pike
i want a melta gun personally
frank basin
That what 10k children wish for ps5
tall torrent
Seriously hammer how are you fine with this bro
veteran has 56 weapons, a lot of which I think could be better
instead of new weapons that power creep older weapons
frank basin
56 weapons that include marks?
tall torrent
yea
frank basin
Hmmm
faint beacon
We dont really care
frank basin
I really want shredder get buff then get mark pattern
faint beacon
we just want weapons that vet already has to be tweaked
AHEM Power sword
but thats kinda about it
frank basin
Nerf powersword?
frank basin
Psyker force sword?
tall torrent
combat axe
power sword
duelling sword
brutal momentum
uncanny strike
plasma gun
weapon specialist
marksman's focus
skirmisher
and more
to be changed
would be nice
tac axe buff pls
tall torrent
no
frank basin
Or they just toss aside
tall torrent
but playtesters have been giving good feedback
frank basin
Yes I can see that
frank basin
combat axe
power sword
duelling sword
brutal momentum
uncanny strike
plasma gun
...
What’s with these list you’re wishing then?
tall torrent
What’s with these list you’re wishing then?
if they get changed I'd be happier than if they weren't
frank basin
They gonna brainstorm rework stuff
Take about months to go all
I know you don’t work with fs I wish to see you did
tacit pike
damn near impossible to miss with shotguns
well after one mission of pressing a shotgun firmly into every enemies gut and pulling the trigger until i had zero ammo i have jack and shit
frank basin
Yeah
round geyser
Something tells me out of pure spite veteran gonna get allot of nerfs
queen fox
Honestly if veteran got a -20% recoil talent that would be awesome, only recoil reduction talent is executioners stance iirc. Deadshot only does sway and accuracy
round geyser
Honestly if veteran got a -20% recoil talent that would be awesome, only recoil ...
Deadshot is good but it’s also fucking useless
frank basin
Braced auto buff pls
Braced auto like only LMG stuff I can use but I need hand held machine gun
On veteran
round geyser
Before anyone says anything it’s the stamina drain that I refer too
That makes it useless
elder garden
This update seems pretty unfair for veteran we really need some different weapons just for us. Hell I take a hotshot Lasgun or even a long las
queen fox
Stamina drain should be based on magazine spent, and should not have a passive drain over time
I think a laslock would be funny
Remind people they exist
elder garden
The veteran class needs some kind of weapon only for veteran because it seems to me everyone else has access to most of them apart from the plasma and that’s it
plucky dome
Only thing I want on vet is the flamer, I desire burning the heretics in a non-zealot way
queen fox
Will ogryn ever get a lascannon
There are a lot of exotic weapons the devs could potentially include
elder garden
This update is going to push a lot of people away from the game I think
queen fox
I doubt it. A harder difficulty and new weapons for most classes
elder garden
I’m on about veteran players pretty much excluding us
queen fox
They said they had more info for veteran players later
Be patient, maybe we're getting a talent buff/rework
Vet kinda needs it tbh
round geyser
They said they had more info for veteran players later
What post exactly?
nocturne mulch
That makes it useless
?
round geyser
It’s not in any of the recent posts
nocturne mulch
looks at recon vids with infinite deadshot
round geyser
?
I said stamina drain is the part that makes it useless
That passive drain is annoying
nocturne mulch
I said stamina drain is the part that makes it useless
looks at recon vids with infinite deadshot
nocturne mulch
A single +3 stam curio with the stam regen keystone should be enough to keep deadshot up
fringe lake
is it loose cannon that says "fight, kill and do it again" or something along those lines?
and "there is only war"
hearty panther
cadia fucker
winter grove
is it loose cannon that says "fight, kill and do it again" or something along th...
No that's cutthroat bitch
uncut pebble
Also it's close, not fight.
I'm pretty sure the other line for the Cutthroat is "I WANNA HEAR EM SCREAM!"
fringe lake
ok thanks
terse idol
When the vet hits em with "LOK'TAR O' GAR!"
tall torrent
Honestly if veteran got a -20% recoil talent that would be awesome, only recoil ...
deadshot does reduce recoil
I think 19%?
but it doesn't fix ur recoil to be predictive (unlike exe stance)
ancient path
leveling up executioner vigilant autoguns is gunna be tough 😩
arctic rampart
leveling up executioner vigilant autoguns is gunna be tough 😩
complete other missions, then gain mastery with the guns exchanged
tough flower
Cutthroat VoC is goat
I really like Professional's lines. "Rally formation, right fragging now!" And "Weapons up! Drive them back!" go hard.
ancient path
complete other missions, then gain mastery with the guns exchanged
cowards way of leveling! ill suffer and ill like it!
wild vortex
this good for stealth vet with smokes and WS?
any big pp Vet got a view on this?
pseudo fiber
any big pp Vet got a view on this?
I mean rashad with double barrel can't go wrong.
fringe lake
leveling up executioner vigilant autoguns is gunna be tough 😩
you can buy a bunch of grey weapons and consecrate them all to green level then sacrifice them to gain levels insanely fast
has to be of the same types
austere mica
9000 mastery per
pseudo fiber
any big pp Vet got a view on this?
Sorry misread the question
Yeah that'd be alright. Personally prefer precognition however over riposte
fringe lake
what is braced autogun's dump stat?
pseudo fiber
mobility
wild vortex
Sorry misread the question
Yeah that'd be alright. Personally prefer precognitio...
oh, is the finesse from Precog more valuable than crit?
pseudo fiber
I'd say generally what gun are you using?
wild vortex
umm not sure actually, it's gonna be Bistol / Zarona / maybe Bolter?
fringe lake
I'd say generally what gun are you using?
going for mk2 I think
is collateral actually good on braced?
pseudo fiber
umm not sure actually, it's gonna be Bistol / Zarona / maybe Bolter?
That'll work fine. Bolt pistol might not be as valuable without using shredders
wild vortex
lemme see if I can fit Shredders instead, I'll have to path through Timbuktu
ok I can but then I'd have to give up Rending Strikes / Bring it Down
actually I think Bolter with Pinning Fire might theoretically be just better overall
pseudo fiber
I can see that
thick bear
is collateral actually good on braced?
Depends on the mark
Agripinaa has the best stagger so yeah
Graia is weakest stopping power, then Columnus
fringe lake
Depends on the mark
what about vraks mk2? also dump mobility?
thick bear
what about vraks mk2? also dump mobility?
Oh my bad, forgot about the rename
Columnus = Vraks I believe
pseudo fiber
That's it now yeah
thick bear
And yeah, dump mobility on them
fringe lake
ok thanks
btw did anyone experience crosshair problems with crosshair remap mod and autoguns?
cause I can't see crosshair on right click at all, it briefly appears when I let go of the rmb
tried changing in the mod options, doesn't work
tall torrent
is collateral actually good on braced?
Dump collateral
Basically the only guns that care about collateral stat are boltgun & autopistol
thick bear
Had to check and there's no Collateral on Agripinaa apparently?
So if you go Agripinaa, dump Mobility, for Vraks I guess dump Collateral
tall torrent
Had to check and there's no Collateral on Agripinaa apparently?
No, it has stopping power (which u want 80%)
thick bear
No, it has stopping power (which u want 80%)
I'm guessing Stopping Power gets converted to Collateral if you change marks
So he'd need 2 separate braceds if he wanted the correct dumps on both Agri and Vraks
tall torrent
So he'd need 2 separate braceds if he wanted the correct dumps on both Agri and ...
Yes
thick bear
Agri is my beloved anyways and I'd never cheat on her with Vraks, but hey, if he prefers it, go for it
pseudo fiber
I do hope we get a power sword rework alongside grim protocols it's so boring to use right now
languid dune
What's the typical Recon Las build look like?
thick bear
What's the typical Recon Las build look like?
Build as in the blessings and perks or the talents?
languid dune
Talents I mean
This is what I use currently but wasn't sure on a couple nodes taken
thick bear
This is what I use currently but wasn't sure on a couple nodes taken
Looks good to me, only change I'd really make is drop Counter-Fire for Opening Salvo for a little more crit chance
steep vault
steep vault
How we liking our compensation?
pseudo fiber
Stop posting this man you're gonna cause the biggest misinfo spread ever.
steep vault
Stop posting this man you're gonna cause the biggest misinfo spread ever.
misinfo is fun
sometimes
I think it's too much bait
halcyon zephyr
It's obvious bait from the first paragraph
steep vault
It's obvious bait from the first paragraph
people has fell for it already 
I thought it'd be a nice laugh
halcyon zephyr
I thought it'd be a nice laugh
I enjoyed it
blazing horizon
Just make it tabletop accurate and have a 1 in 6 chance of exploding on a fully charged shot 
idle swallow
Higher the heat the bigger the chance of going boom on a shot hehehe😈
round geyser
Yeah not believing this horse shit
deft crystal
Still not gonna be ammo effiecient
Even if it was real
People would still just use it as they do now
deft crystal
how is PG not ammo efficient
Bro 😭
faint beacon
nah its real
slow sky
Yeah not believing this horse shit
people in gen chat already fell for it and were excited for plasma buffs lmao
faint beacon
LMAO
steep vault
people in gen chat already fell for it and were excited for plasma buffs lmao
are you serious
slow sky
are you serious
steep vault
oh my goodness
frank basin
@steep vault post on Reddit I wanna reaction
steep vault
<@657706992743350351> post on Reddit I wanna reaction
no
too much damage already
I don't wanna start mass hysteria
ancient path
where can i read this in full?
frank basin
Well it would be awesome if you did post in Reddit
tough tiger
where can i read this in full?
Back of the cereal box
steep vault
where can i read this in full?
it's fake
I wrote the original draft up in 3 minutes
and then spent 30 minutes to make it look real
terse idol
steep vault
sorry to disappoint
steep vault
https://tenor.com/view/arthur-buster-baxter-bunny-you-really-think-someone-would...
yea
I'm bored
ancient path
tough tiger
@steep vault u should add in the ability to rocket jump by fully charging secondary fire and shooting the ground
pale pecan
Interesting
You ever find something with the potential to be game breaking
And are trying to decide on whether to keep it a secret or not
steep vault
You ever find something with the potential to be game breaking
oh I do know a lot of that
should talk to dorn
he can get them fixed
pale pecan
he can get them fixed
lmao
I don't think it's something game breaking quite yet
but I am almost certain it will be
But it is something atleast
If they buff a certain blessing it might be busted
But we'll see.
I don't have any money to swap blessings to test rn lmao
round geyser
people did fall for it
My man I knew it was fake the moment I looked at it
steep vault
My man I knew it was fake the moment I looked at it
mhm mr smarty pants
round geyser
mhm mr smarty pants
you do know right if i'm not in the fat shark forums i'm generally in this discord
steep vault
you do know right if i'm not in the fat shark forums i'm generally in this disco...
okay but I don't really care
I'm here to have some good fun
queen fox
https://tenor.com/view/2017x-2017x-rizz-hit-single-hit-single-sonic2017x-rizz-li...
posting this gif should be a bannable offense
tawny badger
too fuckin bad
round geyser
okay but I don't really care
will admit those it was good bait since it fooled others
queen fox
does the +20% block efficiency perk decrease push cost?
faint beacon
exec stance vets when they see the burgle weakspot
I can confirm
especially when you have a red stim
Red stim + Exe stance
instantaneous beast of nurgle genocide
tawny badger
w/ a recon lasgun 😩
regal belfry
i hope they buff hellbore rifle swap speed
tawny badger
why is bro so stiff
faint beacon
why is bro so stiff
Terrorist
steep vault
posting this gif should be a bannable offense
idle swallow
Posture check, gamers
split sapphire
Best set up for bolt pistol? Trying it out rn
steep vault
Best set up for bolt pistol? Trying it out rn
I run puncture DA
but for vet
Puncture LP
LP helps with shredder nades
25% more radius is awesome
fading yarrow
https://tenor.com/view/2017x-2017x-rizz-hit-single-hit-single-sonic2017x-rizz-li...
This gif is on the sex offender registry of 137 countries
red zephyr
what blessings are best with dueling sword?
split sapphire
I run puncture DA
Ok how bout perks?
steep vault
Ok how bout perks?
flakiac
also
check pinned on this channel
there's a guide made by path
check it out
silk lance
what blessings are best with dueling sword?
Shred/Uncanny Strike is what I prefer on mine
round geyser
damn just damn thats a good posture
round geyser
totally wasn't looking at the the thighs
verbal burrow
I notice the symbol on his belt buckle while checking it for knives
Skull with wings
I ask him “what regiment”
He says Cadian
We high five
verbal burrow
Colleague confused af
umbral scaffold
What's up
stoic thorn
He says Cadian
No cadian symbol? Still a shame
fading yarrow
what blessings are best with dueling sword?
Shred and Uncanny/Agile for horde clear
Precog and Riposte for sweaty dodge attack single-target
Thrust and Uncanny for normal single-target
Extra Flak and Unyielding damage
Those are my go-tos, at least
mild hill
Wonder if they’ll give an over heat mechanic to reg power sword
dry cloak
Would be nice
round geyser
How's the overheat going to work?
Two-Handed Power Sword (2 Marks) - Zealot: A massive, high-damage melee weapon with wide, sweeping attacks.
Munitorum Mk X Relic Blade
Munitorum Mk II Relic Blade
Two-Handed Power Sword - Unique Features:
Heat Activation Mechanic: Generates a heat gauge, building over time. Reaching the limit locks activation briefly (overheat mechanic).
Special Attack: Sprinting Heavy stab attack for unique engagement tactics.
fading yarrow
Nah I think I understand; it's a single push activation like normal Power Swords, but the activation causes the gauge to build, and it continues to build with each subsequent activation
So if you're in a horde and you charge, swing swing discharge, charge, swing swing discharge etc, it builds up quickly and locks you out of further activations until it cools down enough
Ofc, its main difference from the normal power sword will probably be blessings that capitalize on having a high heat gauge during those later swings
vale ledge
Nah I think I understand; it's a single push activation like normal Power Swords...
The Veteran intentionally overloading his great power sword as he jumps into the massive horde:
"TONIGHT, WE DINE IN HELL!"
faint beacon
We aren't getting anything this update to put it bluntly
faint beacon
Ehh
I dont really mind it
I'll be happy if they go "Surprise we reworked Power Sword/marksman focus"
verbal burrow
No cadian symbol? Still a shame
You mean a shame that GW doesn’t make regiment specific belt buckles?
fading yarrow
Power swords were vet's thing
Ehhhh
Two-handed power swords aren't a Militarum thing, though
It makes way more thematic sense in the hands of a crusading advocatus ministorum
orchid nova
To be hones two handed power swords were explicitly a Space Marine thing.
orchid nova
Ehhhh
Two-handed power swords aren't a Militarum thing, though
It makes way mor...
Not just as in "Space marines in melee". The only lore for two handed swords were typically stuff like chapter relics
grand perch
chapter relics you say
orchid nova
Get ye gone, blood angel
grand perch
fading yarrow
Not just as in "Space marines in melee". The only lore for two handed swords wer...
Tbf the swords being given to Zealot are called "Relic Blades"
In absence of Astartes, who better to put them to use than someone who'd treat those tools of war as the holy artifacts they are than the Zealot?
Apart from the Blood Raven in the vents ofc
orchid nova
Tbf the swords being given to Zealot are called "Relic Blades"
In absence of Ast...
Someone who you can actually trust with a priceless relic that many forge worlds have lost the means to create...like plasma weapons
or power swords
Someone trained and experienced and not just a crazed lunatic that got picked up after he burned down a hab block or something
fading yarrow
Someone trained and experienced and not just a crazed lunatic that got picked up...
Consider the following
Nuh uh
orchid nova
Excellent point. However
Yuh huh
orchid nova
Technically that's supposed to just be a normal power sword
same statline and everything
esp since you literally see them using those with a shield
"True scale" or not big hands
hybrid river
But the grip is explicitly large enough for them to be able to be used two handed if necessary
orchid nova
the back model is more of a hand-and-a-half
hybrid river
the back model is more of a hand-and-a-half
Yeah but it’s obviously meant to be the exact same sword, it’s just shorter on that model so it doesn’t jab into the side of his body
fading yarrow
If you look at historical longswords, which are two-handed in normal use, the back model's hilt falls in line with average longsword hilt lengths. Even longer handles like the front model's were to provide leverage for longer blades, ie zweihandern/montante
hybrid river
Yeah but it’s obviously meant to be the exact same sword, it’s just shorter on t...
Same reason why this exists:
frank basin
Guy comes through my checkpoint
You work as air security?
hybrid river
orchid nova
Yeah but it’s obviously meant to be the exact same sword, it’s just shorter on t...
quite, it's mean to be a one-handed power sword
orchid nova
If you look at historical longswords, which are two-handed in normal use, the ba...
Only if you count english bastard swords, German Longswords tend towards atleast a 3 hands tall grip
Like so
verbal burrow
You work as air security?
Ye
verbal burrow
Only if you count english bastard swords, German Longswords tend towards atleast...
Longer grip would allow for better control ye
frank basin
I see
orchid nova
either way, I have the datasheet in front of me.
It says those are standard one-handed power swords.
same statline
+1S AP-3, 1D
verbal burrow
I hear so many horror stories about the TSA from passengers
orchid nova
Relic Blade is +3S 2D
verbal burrow
Lunch break over, back in 2 h
orchid nova
It is significantly different
frank basin
Lunch break over, back in 2 h
Cya then
There’s lot of cat pfp and two whale here and a shark
vale ledge
Vet should have the 2 hander power sword :[
faint beacon
Not just as in "Space marines in melee". The only lore for two handed swords wer...
to be fair
orchid nova
Just the weapon scale being weird and making the sword as tall as the model
faint beacon
so I think they're going for the fact its not really something you'd find all willy nilly
orchid nova
one of those "acceptable" breaks from canon
Like how Vermintide made the Grudge Raker and Cog Axe into mass-produced weapons
faint beacon
Im honestly hoping a Rework to Single Hand powerswords come just cause-
christ its so fucking boring
Hot take I know
but its so fucking boring
orchid nova
Honestly
faint beacon
The reason why its boring cause its gameplay loop is literally
orchid nova
most melee aren't much different
orchid nova
once you figure out the loop
dry cloak
I play psword unpowered poat of the time
orchid nova
at most it's a block cancel combo or a special attack combo
faint beacon
Tac Axes honestly are a fine example
especially Mark 3 Evis
where it has really fluid movesets
orchid nova
pretty boring yeah
like,
even fancy bretsword style looping weapons ultimately become a loop once you've gotten it drilled
from that perspective, Mk 6 is actually fairly varied
faint beacon
Varied as in
orchid nova
You got heavies for wider swings, lights for quick swipes, and push attack light combo for single target
and you can in fact mix and match to a limited degree
faint beacon
I hate to break it to you but the most effective way with mk6 is literally just Light spam on horde and push attack on single target
what I want to see
frank basin
Is mk15 Evis that braindead?
grand perch
make it so you have to recharge the special with a little generator pump
faint beacon
you're forced to use Power Cycler or you're basically throwing
orchid nova
most weapons don't even have two modes
And you're not forced to use brutal momentum?
frank basin
Sunder for elite horde stuff from path said
faint beacon
You can attempt using Slaughterer + Brutal Momentum
faint beacon
but its literally awful on PS
orchid nova
axes cleave is crap
faint beacon
Combat Axe?
frank basin
Combat axe
orchid nova
brumentum is one of the few ways to turn it around
faint beacon
Its literally overpowered for the sole purpose of Brutal Momentum lmao
frank basin
Bromentum did the job
orchid nova
would I prefer it if power sword had 2 swings baseline and only +1 from cycler or something?
Yes
hallow drift
TSA meanie to people about bringing 32 oz soap bottle
TSA mentioned where is my Liquid meme
orchid nova
But it's pretty dishonest to claim power sword is anything unique in being hinged on a single blessing
a lot of weapons are
Ogryn shield's killing power absolutely skyrockets with bromentum
faint beacon
Thats just cause Brutal Momentum is insanely overpowered
frank basin
Do we revert bm back to old one?
orchid nova
You're moving the goalposts again
is this a "blessings are imbalanced" issue or just a "power sword alone requires you to pick this one blessing" issue
faint beacon
Its more so both seeing you never really have a purpose to run other blessings outside of Cycler and BM which boils down to those two issues
its why Combat Axe is also one of the top melees in the game
hallow drift
But it's pretty dishonest to claim power sword is anything unique in being hinge...
Tbh (not to dive bomb you while ur having another convo) I kinda use PS like a force sword with shittier light attack damage but yeah power cycler is a make or break blessing
fading yarrow
I've been slowly typing an autistically-detailed sword response to Whale about a topic that passed 15 minutes ago
I shouldn't be on the phone past 1 am
faint beacon
Like I dont think I've ever seen someone perform well with anything that's actively trying to go for an Unpowered PS build
Hell I've tried it myself its not enjoyable at all
orchid nova
Yes, and?
orchid nova
Again, you're claiming it's "more" boring than other weapons,
because it only has one viable mode?
hallow drift
I've been slowly typing an autistically-detailed sword response to Whale about a...
Me replying to 45 minute old posts because the brickwork in this building traps me like warp magic
orchid nova
Most weapons only have the one mod
frank basin
This is new orcka29?
tall torrent
Ogryn shield's killing power absolutely skyrockets with bromentum
BM itself needs to be nerfed down to like 2 targets
Combat axes need base cleave increased so they actually hit things outside of activating BM
orchid nova
BM itself needs to be nerfed down to like 2 targets
Combat axes need base cleave...
Hell no, you leave my shield blessing alone
tall torrent
Hell no, you leave my shield blessing alone
Nah, BM really needs changes
If a single blessing is so powerful that it’s required to make the weapon function, it needs to get changed
orchid nova
to put it bluntly, there is no way for some of the more niche blessings to be made competitive without just slapping blunt +str onto them in addition to their normal effects
Then remove it from axe.
tall torrent
Then axes have basically no cleave
Might be worse horde clear than duelling sword lol
tribal tangle
Fatshark school of balancing is having 10 blessings across all weapons be worth using
white minnow
depends, since enemy numbers means that we can live in DPS check city and not have to worry about survivability too much
frank basin
Old BM like kill increase cleave I remember someone said worse than wrath.
tall torrent
Why’re you so pressed over BM on shield in the first place
white minnow
various blessings will become more useful when we have to actually worry about getting sustained to death
tall torrent
BM killing 2 is still pretty strong
tribal tangle
Fatshark school of balancing just like vt2, vt2 nearly everything gets crit, block reduction, swift slaying
slow sky
combat axes are currently only kept alive by BM
faint beacon
Its honestly why im pushing for Power sword being reworked as well cause it would just allow for more creativity with the damn thing instead of
me millionth Power Cycler + BM combo
slow sky
thats both because its stupid strong
and theyre stupid weak without it
faint beacon
You might get the rare Power Cycler + Slaughterer but like come on spice the weapon up
slow sky
And combat axes are the only weapons in the game that use BM
tactical axes
shield
heavy swords
queen fox
me millionth Power Cycler + BM combo
I like power cycler and sunder, bm feels redundant
slow sky
power maul
frank basin
power maul
Idk they have on it?
faint beacon
I like power cycler and sunder, bm feels redundant
Mk6 or Mk3
slow sky
ogryn shovels
faint beacon
if you're using Mk6 swap to Mk3
orchid nova
And yet will any of those be compensated? How much compensation is enough?
faint beacon
way better on it
orchid nova
Yup
queen fox
6
tall torrent
And combat axes are the only weapons in the game that use BM
Combat axes are the only weapons in the game that don’t function properly without BM
faint beacon
Swap to Mk3 its Heavy swing focused
queen fox
Because I like the poke overhead combo
tall torrent
And yet will any of those be compensated? How much compensation is enough?
Wdym compensation
You think BM nerf instantly kills those weapons too?
fading yarrow
I'm still open to that
Hi still open to that, I'm Vtel
But nah, it just boiled down to me saying that it seemed disingenuous to use a pommel-grip Ochs guard to say longsword hilts are longer than that back Crusader model's hilt when a pommel-grip would put his sword firmly in the longsword range along the average set by various English, Italian and even many German artifacts
queen fox
No
slow sky
all of those weapons can function without it
its just BM is that strong
that its best in slot for them
combat axes just instantly become shit without it
orchid nova
Hi still open to that, I'm Vtel
But nah, it just boiled down to me saying that ...
You ID'd the guard. You're truly a man of culture as well.
slow sky
that doesnt mean BM is broken
it is
but combat axes need changes on top of that when bm is touched
orchid nova
all of those weapons can function without it
its just BM is that strong
Shields are just barely kept out of the shitter by them.
without it they go straight back to being glorified batter appliers
faint beacon
Shields are just barely kept out of the shitter by them.
Skullcrusher?
white minnow
can always do a balance pass alongside a BM change
faint beacon
I mean that thing helps crazy amounts
slow sky
skullcrusher is 80% more damage for being an ogryn lmao
faint beacon
I literally use it with fucking opportunist + skullcrusher and it does wonders
orchid nova
Yes let me just swing four times at individual horde enemies before I do 1.4 damage instead of 1
frank basin
Will you be sad if they nerfed BM @orchid nova?
frank basin
Understandable
fading yarrow
You ID'd the guard. You're truly a man of culture as well.
Swords and early-high-late medieval trivia have been my personality for almost 20 years
I regret nothing
tall torrent
Yes let me just swing four times at individual horde enemies before I do 1.4 dam...
Ok buddy turns out you have no idea how skullcrusher actually works
Too bad
slow sky
Yes let me just swing four times at individual horde enemies before I do 1.4 dam...
you have not used skullcrusher or know how it works if this is what you think
tall torrent
Who’d have thought
orchid nova
Shield has been in the trashcan for years
faint beacon
WHAT
slow sky
it was bad
but now its usable
faint beacon
They gave it Opportunist
orchid nova
and they were finally viable
faint beacon
FREE RENDING
orchid nova
you have not used skullcrusher or know how it works if this is what you think
I used skullcrusher constantly until I replaced it with opportunist to make up for the loss of actual Dominate
faint beacon
Like I kid you not that with the talent that also gives 10% on elite kill and the 5% rend node
you literally get 40% rending on Ogryn
insane shit
and add on Skullcrusher
a buff for both you and your team
orchid nova
Which is 5 more than you had with just dominate
tall torrent
I used skullcrusher constantly until I replaced it with opportunist to make up f...
Buddy you do not even understand how skullcrusher functions I don’t think you have enough information to be having good takes
orchid nova
Buddy you do not even understand how skullcrusher functions I don’t think you ha...
It only applies after the second hit, unless they've patched that
which is years too late for horde clear
white minnow
applies after any first hit that staggers
orchid nova
wth are you smoking
faint beacon
It applies on first stagger
queen fox
I have basically never played ogryn
faint beacon
anything
frank basin
@white minnow I haven’t seen you while, where you been?
slow sky
what
orchid nova
Dominate used to be 30%
faint beacon
that staggers them immediately applies X stacks of Skullcrusher
yes its 25% now
but
orchid nova
It's 10%
white minnow
I was locked up in a basement after I tried to rob a geriatric 80 year old for his insulin
tall torrent
It only applies *after* the second hit, unless they've patched that
Skullcrusher IV is
Any melee damaging hit/push applies 4 stacks of +10% damage (max 8 stacks)
This damage bonus is active when the enemy is in any of the 3 stagger states
First hit/push, +0% damage, apply stagger
Second hit/push, +40% damage, further stagger
Third hit/push, +80% damage, further stagger
faint beacon
but thats still pretty fucking insane
slow sky
Skullcrusher IV is
Any melee damaging hit/push applies 4 stacks of +10% damage (...
this is also able to be capitalized on by your teammates
orchid nova
Skullcrusher IV is
Any melee damaging hit/push applies 4 stacks of +10% damage (...
Exactly, only applies on second hit onwards
tall torrent
Anything u can stagger, Skullcrusher is essentially 40~80% more damage for u for free
orchid nova
which, when you're fighting hordes, is asking a lot
faint beacon
Anything u can stagger, Skullcrusher is essentially 40~80% more damage for u for...
And your team if you're more huge on teamplay
orchid nova
esp since even with +80%, damage detroiates to very little
slow sky
Exactly, only applies on second hit onwards
that also applies for opportunist???? and only works against armor????
orchid nova
it's effectively just amplifying bleed
Again, how many times do I have to explain this to you
tall torrent
Yes let me just swing four times at individual horde enemies before I do 1.4 dam...
You were saying insane things
tall torrent
Do you know ogryn shield’s cleave values even
orchid nova
just because it doesn't have twice the depth of every other weapon
tall torrent
Or cleave distribution
orchid nova
Do you know ogryn shield’s cleave values even
Yes
faint beacon
I'm not the one claiming power sword is somehow "Boring"
It fucking is though lmao
orchid nova
H1 is limited to about 8 or so H2 is unlimited
orchid nova
took you longe nough to google it lmao
tall torrent
Stagger all 4 of them
orchid nova
Yes, and what's the damage distribution?
orchid nova
When you're facing any rager patrol?
Hello?
DO you think they only come in 1s and 2s?
tall torrent
In what, uprising difficulty? lol
When are you gonna do 2k first target damage on maniac with shield H1
Be realistic
orchid nova
That's not what I meant and you know damned well
tall torrent
I know what I asked and you gave a very clear answer
frank basin
Next level of Orcka29
tall torrent
When’re you gonna do enough maniac damage on H1 to one hit kill Dreg rager on weakspot so your BM carries damage forward to the 3 other Dreg ragers
orchid nova
even if we ignore how disengenuous bringing up ragers when we were talking about horde is
When you've beaten them down repeatedly and bled them?
Again
What is the damage distribution
narrow frost
Is this BM vs the rending blessing for shield?
tall torrent
BM is for horde clear
BM is too strong and needs changes
frank basin
He’s dodging question.
orchid nova
Yup
frank basin
Is this BM vs the rending blessing for shield?
The cat pfp want bm nerf
orchid nova
You say that about everything when clearly I do
slow sky
this is the damage distribution for the slab shield heavy 1 against unarmored, flak, maniac, and infested
tall torrent
You say that about everything when clearly I do
How does BM distribute cleave damage
orchid nova
How does BM distribute cleave damage
it doesn't,
faint beacon
Is this BM vs the rending blessing for shield?
This all spurred from me saying Power Sword is boring
orchid nova
Now don't make me answer the question for you
orchid nova
It isn't
slow sky
it doesn't,
this is false
frank basin
@orchid nova do you main slab shield everyday?
tall torrent
it doesn't,
How does BM interact with hit mass
faint beacon
it fucking is
tall torrent
You can at the very least answer that
orchid nova
If you're still on the level that you think alternating heavies and lights makes a weapon more interesting
Than maybe
maybe
Every weapon boils down to figuring out the right clear loop
tall torrent
Because if u don’t understand how BM works then you cannot argue that it doesn’t need to get nerfed
orchid nova
just because one is different
orchid nova
Because if u don’t understand how BM works then you cannot argue that it doesn’t...
I'll be with you in a moment,
orchid nova
How does BM interact with hit mass
If you kill the first target hit, the second target is treated as the first.
Now
tall torrent
If you kill the first target hit, the second target is treated as the first.
BM is x0 multiplier to hitmass if weakspot hit kill (up to 4 enemies)
frank basin
So the cat pfp is stubborn now
tall torrent
What happens to the 5th enemy
frank basin
It stop the cleave
orchid nova
BM is x0 multiplier to hitmass if weakspot hit kill (up to 4 enemies)
And yet first target multipliers are applied to it
tall torrent
So the cat pfp is stubborn now
I’m not stubborn, I’m asking him what he knows
frank basin
Cole loyalist backing up posting damage distribution
tall torrent
And yet first target multipliers are applied to it
x0 mass on target = does not consume any cleave = apply first target
orchid nova
Did you use the shield before it was buffed?
orchid nova
x0 mass on target = does not consume any cleave = apply first target
And the effective difference with what I said is?
dapper agate
frank basin
https://tenor.com/view/whatcha-doing-whatsup-bro-gif-11446322707145915445
Bm arguement
tall torrent
Did you know that getting to 1 hit 3 horde enemies after BM nerf would still be good?
earnest bone
Did you know that getting to 1 hit 3 horde enemies after BM nerf would still be ...
yes
earnest bone
but 2 would be overkill
tall torrent
Because shield’s damage profile is high enough for that even if BM was nerfed to 2 targets
earnest bone
at 2 i would probably go with headtaker + decimator on tax
and would skip combat axes
orchid nova
There is 0 ambiguity on this. No nerfs to shield.
dapper agate
orchid nova
I am not losing it again.
frank basin
How many default Cleave on body mass without bm? 3-5 bodies?
slow sky
you can just
use another blessing
and get the benefit from that blessing
white minnow
have you considered the possibility that weapons can be baseline buffed
orchid nova
And have a useless shield
earnest bone
you can just
use another blessing
and get the benefit from that blessing
you cant on combat axes since they just have 0 base cleave like
tall torrent
and would skip combat axes
BM 2 target + third target still takes enough damage + further targets just take minor cleave damage
This is basically literally heavy sword’s damage distribution schtick by default
orchid nova
have you considered the possibility that weapons can be baseline buffed
Yes, which is what I brought up
slow sky
like weapons shouldnt be designed with a specific blessing in mind as mandatory
orchid nova
BM 2 target + third target still takes enough damage + further targets just take...
Good for heavy sword
slow sky
that is bad design
earnest bone
BM 2 target + third target still takes enough damage + further targets just take...
it could be okay, but we'l need to test that
slow sky
so trying to make it so is advocating for poorly designed weapons
earnest bone
buffing base cleave + nerfing BM could work
frank basin
How many default Cleave on body mass without bm? 3-5 bodies?
Im looking for shield club answer
orchid nova
So, are you actually insane enough to demand every blessing be nerfed to the level of Bash
tall torrent
So, are you actually insane enough to demand every blessing be nerfed to the lev...
Never said that
tall torrent
it could be okay, but we'l need to test that
I think ~5 cleave for combat axe is fair
Light swing
5 cleave is 2 Dreg rager/both gunner
slow sky
thats about 3 poxwalkers
earnest bone
I think ~5 cleave for combat axe is fair
since it would be boosted with headtaker, would be okay i guess
tall torrent
thats about 3 poxwalkers
Yea, plus +strength blessings (and potentially BM)
gilded rock
heh.. happens naturally,,
slow sky
and its cleave profile would actually get to see the light of day for once
slow sky
caxe lights is 1.5 yes
tall torrent
I think it’d be at least interesting that u could consider forgoing BM for more direct single target damage
orchid nova
Good luck.
Fatshark's been obessed with keeping axes single target since vermintide lmao
slow sky
thats the same as tactical axe lights which come out like 3x as fast
tall torrent
Instead of this 1.5 cleave that hits nothing that BM can’t kill through
frank basin
Aaaargh how many bodies a club shield can cleave through pox/groan without bm?
tall torrent
Good luck.
Fatshark's been obessed with keeping axes single target since vermin...
Yea, it sucks
orchid nova
Agreed
slow sky
Aaaargh how many bodies a club shield can cleave through pox/groan without bm?
ogryn shield lights have 8.75 cleave, h1 has 13.1
earnest bone
VT2 weapon balance is really bad, partially because they added Cata (difficulty) later and it messed up a lot of things (aka breakpoints)
frank basin
ogryn shield lights have 8.75 cleave, h1 has 13.1
Ah so then 8 bodies cleave on light attack, thank you.
slow sky
Ah so then 8 bodies cleave on light attack, thank you.
thats not what that means
tall torrent
I think ur point for shield getting gutted if BM nerf is an overreaction
But I do agree that most ogryn melee weapons need better baseline cleave damage distribution
slow sky
thats its budget
orchid nova
VT2 weapon balance is really bad, partially because they added Cata (difficulty)...
Also just because a lot of weapons are genuinely badly designed
white minnow
can prob crank up the second target damage and keep the cleave low on axes
slow sky
a poxwalker has 1.5 hitmass
orchid nova
Greatsword for one
white minnow
cases do seem to actually have a non default finesse value defined for their second target
orchid nova
And the DLC weapons powercreep so hard a lot of the base game weapons are genuinely unusable
earnest bone
but before nerfing bm, i guess they should do something with underdogs
aka autopistol
slow sky
So then 3-4 bodies
it also depends on the target
earnest bone
ogryn knifes
slow sky
shotgunners have a hitmass of 2
earnest bone
etcetc
orchid nova
Sword and mace being a prime culprit
frank basin
shotgunners have a hitmass of 2
And scab bruiser?
tall torrent
can prob crank up the second target damage and keep the cleave low on axes
Could do this too, I wish they take both approaches and apply to different combat axe variants
Like, give Antax the higher cleave of 5 but lower damage distribution
Give Achlys’ H1 both higher cleave & better distribution
Keep Rashad’s cleave lower (~3?) but better distribution
As an example
So they differ more from each other
white minnow
yeah those are some good ideas to add some differences
earnest bone
Rashad - exist
Antax - just shittier rashad in everything
Achlys - please for gods sake dont use this
frank basin
Could do this too, I wish they take both approaches and apply to different comba...
I remember I use antax with old BM before rework I mean cleave through lot horde but deal so little damage
slow sky
And scab bruiser?
i could be corrected but i think theyre 2 as well
tall torrent
but before nerfing bm, i guess they should do something with underdogs
Aka bully club’s damage distribution yes pls
earnest bone
Aka bully club’s damage distribution yes pls
at least clubs can damage armor/etc
butcher knifes or whatever the name
is just horde clear
and that's it
tall torrent
i could be corrected but i think theyre 2 as well
Scab bruiser 3.5 (very high mass!)
Dreg bruiser 2.5
slow sky
yeah that checks out
wooden cedar
mk4 cleaver has fine armor performance
faint beacon
Its okay
wooden cedar
you can give yourself carpal tunnel to make it better
slow sky
anyway
nerf bm
buff weapons that rely entirely on bm to function so they can live with out
faint beacon
but still it was my old go too melee for the longest time
tall torrent
If u mean fine Armor damage as like
400 vs carapace weakspot per light stab and like 700 crusher dps
wooden cedar
theyre so fun but it feals greasy to use them because of how busted they are
tall torrent
That’s not very good
wooden cedar
ill have to retest them then
orchid nova
Ultimately, my point is that frankly, you'd have to truly throw most blessings into the trashcan to make things like bash and smackdown actually competitive
wooden cedar
i havent played ogryn in a while because i dont hate myself
orchid nova
To say nothing of inherently self-defeating crap like Thunderstrike
tall torrent
I don’t think every single blessing being good is possible
orchid nova
Blessings aren't going to be balanced, some of them are genuinely just conceptually bad
tall torrent
But variety is possible (ex: plasma gun)
stoic thorn
The in game chat is DOWN
slow sky
Ultimately, my point is that frankly, you'd have to truly throw most blessings i...
i dont think those blessings should even exist until ogryn actually is viable with crits
on melee
orchid nova
Would I prefer it if things like Power Cycler were less auto-take?
faint beacon
But variety is possible (ex: plasma gun)
As much as I despise that gun
earnest bone
I don’t think every single blessing being good is possible
i just want the DMG parts of blessings to be erased and make all of them utility
orchid nova
i dont think those blessings should even exist until ogryn actually is viable wi...
They're on vet too
earnest bone
or utility DPS (like 50% faster swap speed)
stoic thorn
I CANNOT HURL MEAN REMARKS AT CHINESE PEOPLE TO DROP THEIR AMMO BOXES
faint beacon
its a fine example of having actual blessings you can choice between for different playstyles
orchid nova
I CANNOT HURL MEAN REMARKS AT CHINESE PEOPLE TO DROP THEIR AMMO BOXES
Call them wanbadan
faint beacon
and have it still all be on par with each other
orchid nova
that's "wong, baah, done"
stoic thorn
I prefer to curse them out in english
tall torrent
i just want the DMG parts of blessings to be erased and make all of them utility
Noe 
Have different dps related blessings be different and interesting from each other
orchid nova
don't tell my grandpa I'm teaching people this
stoic thorn
I am also open to using tamade
stoic thorn
Path.exe is also Chinese <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Who
tall torrent
One day Decapitator (combat axe) will be good
Probably, idk
slow sky
They're on vet too
bash is ogryn only
smackdown is on clubs and knives, and literally just needs its condition of special on a staggered enemy to be viable for the knives
slow sky
neither of those blessings should be on the cleavers and clubs
they are terrible on them
orchid nova
bash is ogryn only
smackdown is on clubs and knives, and literally just needs it...
Thunderstrike is on the sword
for whatever godforsaken reason
orchid nova
I guess it's so you can parry and then keep staggering???
tall torrent
bash is ogryn only
smackdown is on clubs and knives, and literally just needs it...
Give Ogryn’s Smackdown +60% crit chance and make Ogryn club’s minimum cleave damage high enough to 2 hit groaners & poxwalkers so u could run a cursed Smackdown + perfect strike combo with it 
slow sky
i have a bone to pick with whoever put all those impact blessings on the dclaw
and not a single blessing related to parrying
orchid nova
Give Ogryn’s Smackdown +60% crit chance and make Ogryn club’s minimum cleave dam...
Or just raise the base crit for ogryn melees to 5 or some shit lmao
slow sky
their crit damage is still pretty bad tho
orchid nova
that 2.5 base crit is donkey nuts
stoic thorn
What's the blessings and perks for Bolter I'm lazy as shit
frank basin
@stoic thorn so you’re the mainland Chinese or Hong konger?
orchid nova
What's the blessings and perks for Bolter I'm lazy as shit
I like puncture and shattering impact
tall torrent
Or just raise the base crit for ogryn melees to 5 or some shit lmao
It’s both crit chance & finesse scaling being bad
orchid nova
since we're still drowning in beasts
slow sky
and theyre the only class with 0 talent benefit from melee crits anywhere
grand perch
and not a single blessing related to parrying
Giving Parrying 100% rending would be appreciated
stoic thorn
<@815864616139358260> so you’re the mainland Chinese or Hong konger?
No I'm singaporean
slow sky
Giving Parrying 100% rending would be appreciated
no
frank basin
No I'm singaporean
Ah
stoic thorn
Singaporean chinese
slow sky
thats too overpowered
stoic thorn
That's why I prefer to curse them out in english
orchid nova
based
tall torrent
Giving Parrying 100% rending would be appreciated
Making DC swords’ cleave damage distribution not do 27 damage to flak Armor would be a great start
frank basin
That's why I prefer to curse them out in english
Probably they are mainland
white minnow
One day Decapitator (combat axe) will be good
Probably, idk
combat axes are prob one of the worse weapons for decapitator because the dynamic range of damage of its attacks is small.
If it were on a weapon with more varied attacks and a higher variance in damage, you could do something like stacking it with the higher damage attacks and then continuing to use the lower damage attacks
frank basin
Are mainlanders that bad here?
Depend
Some mostly like hacker and griefer
Like rdo
tall torrent
DC swords’ cleave distribution is so funny
First target (unarmored): 487 damage
2nd target (flak): 32
frank basin
I avoid rdo public lobby
orchid nova
Seriously it's like a law, if they're not hacking, they're griefing
earnest bone
i have a bone to pick with whoever put all those impact blessings on the dclaw
HOWDY
white minnow
the solution is prob to add decap to other, more suitable melees
orchid nova
Makes me ashmed to be mainlander
stoic thorn
Are mainlanders that bad here?
No they're just very fucking stupid
frank basin
Seriously it's like a law, if they're not hacking, they're griefing
Oh like the society in mainlander?
slow sky
earnest bone
w8
orchid nova
Oh like the society in mainlander?
Haha.
earnest bone
this is even better
stoic thorn
Makes me ashmed to be mainlander
My condolences
slow sky
stoic thorn
Sorry you had to be born there
frank basin
City mainlander are okay I think but never do business with mainlander cuz they do malicious shit
tall torrent
combat axes are prob one of the worse weapons for decapitator because the dynami...
I think Decapitator’s bonus is interesting enough that if it had the activation condition of smth like headtaker it could be really cool
Cuz then you get strength (more cleave & stagger) vs huge finesse (more single target)
frank basin
@orchid nova so you’re a Chinese
tall torrent
Just my opinion tho
white minnow
I want to keep decap the way it is since I think it could be interesting for certain weapons
but I do want another finesse blessing
more specifically weakspot in my case
wooden cedar
If u mean fine Armor damage as like
400 vs carapace weakspot per light stab and ...
necro but i can crank out 1000 after a charge and 800 without, id say its still okay
white minnow
I want uncanny to be some chained weakspot hit blessing that grants +weakspot damage
orchid nova
<@119999618682454018> so you’re a Chinese
I can neither confirm nor deny these allegations
wooden cedar
its just theres so many good options into carapace