veteran-class

[tall torrent]

because if u play plasma like exe boltgun u will run out faster

[stoic thorn]

Boltgun has smaller number than plasma

[tall torrent]

nah

plasma has 90 shots

boltgun has 115

[shadow dagger]

or unless you can't land a single headshot on a crusher looking in your direction

[tall torrent]

boltgun also gets back 1 shot per specialist/elite kill with survivalist

[stoic thorn]

Plasma has bigger number therefore I no need worry as much about ammo

[shadow dagger]

true!

[tall torrent]

plasma gets back 0.443 shot back

[dry niche]

I like boltgun for monsters more than plasma

[shadow dagger]

plasma uses a bigger number per shot too and bigger number means more better

[stoic thorn]

Yeah I don't care about backshots I just want my teammates to use THEIR FUCKING AMMO CRATES

Me watching as the zealot take another bag of ammo (he's down 2 clips, I have no shots left)

[shadow dagger]

usually if you just ask for it they drop it

unless you're the only one on red ammo

[stoic thorn]

My brother in christ you do not understand my situation

[shadow dagger]

in which case honestly deserved

[stoic thorn]

I play with the chinese

[tall torrent]

maybe try learning melee

[stoic thorn]

Yeah what do you think I do when the horde comes

Chainsword out schwing schwing hehe

[tall torrent]

I'm chinese too lol

[stoic thorn]

The mainlanders

The ones from Hong Kong

[shadow dagger]

surely not every game is full of nothing but ds/knife sprinters

[stoic thorn]

I am Chinese too

[tall torrent]

if ur teammates are bad, get good enough that u can solo everything

[shadow dagger]

unless you only run with your heaviest weapon and have no idea where crates and drops are you should have a decent amount of ammo

[stoic thorn]

Me, a Thammer Zealot, watching as I get level 10 and 14 players on Heresy

[tall torrent]

teamplay is really not as relevant as people make it out to be

[stoic thorn]

That one Enclavum Baross match as traumatic

[arctic rampart]

Heresy from what I remember the biggest problem was teammates

[stoic thorn]

I had to solo an entire beast of nurgle (got eaten twice)

[tall torrent]

if u learn to fight everything solo, ur just gonna have a much better chance of winning

[arctic rampart]

Actually that's the biggest problem in regular damnation too

[faint beacon]

You don’t need team play 🚬

[stoic thorn]

It took us 15 minutes to get THE FIRST POWER CELL FOR THE SKYLINK

[faint beacon]

If you’re killing and maintaining toughness via kills you’re living

[stoic thorn]

BECAUSE THOSE FUCKS KEPT DYING

[shadow dagger]

watching as the only mf in the lobby with a medium ranged gun tries to hog the hab dreyko auspex

"guys protect me" headass

[arctic rampart]

Could be worse, at least you're not a bidet servitor.

... yet

[tall torrent]

again, if u learn to fight everything solo, ur just gonna have a much better chance of winning

[stoic thorn]

I am very silently screaming COVER ME whenever I'm doing an auspex

[tall torrent]

if ur team dies too much, let them watch

[stoic thorn]

Last man standing twice in that bout

[tall torrent]

yea no big deal

[stoic thorn]

Fucking died when the bridge was finished coming down

[shadow dagger]

8 consecutive hours into rashad before realizing that push attack staggers ragers

:clueless:

[stoic thorn]

My zealot experience was funny as fuck

[arctic rampart]

yeah same thing with power sword 6 btw

[stoic thorn]

Consignment Yard HL 17 36

[arctic rampart]

but with PS you can just slice em in the head before they get in range

[shadow dagger]

greeding for that L3 so goddamn bad that I completely wrote off PA

[stoic thorn]

After the shower room

One whole conga line of Ragers

There were probably like 15-20 ragers

[tall torrent]

ur greatly exaggerating heresy spawns lol

[stoic thorn]

My plasma vet would've loved chewing through that

[faint beacon]

Some people

You permanently keep in timeout

Known as the save state

[stoic thorn]

There were more than 6 ragers

[arctic rampart]

There's always 15-20 ragers in hi-int .. just throw some dirt on them it'll be fine

[faint beacon]

Such as Smykers and Staff Macro users

They die they die

Don’t rescue them

🚬

[stoic thorn]

With my Thammer

I can't deal with ragers

However

I have a bolt pistol

That perfectly shreds them

[arctic rampart]

you mean you can deal with 1 but not pack with thammer?

[shadow dagger]

uhh 8 shots from a boltpistol and whatever ability you have should deal with them just fine

[stoic thorn]

A bolt pistol that's always having an empty clip

[stoic thorn]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

still not a huge problem

[stoic thorn]

It was for me

I had like 3 shots in the clip

[arctic rampart]

just take out your bolt gun or plasma

[stoic thorn]

Until the big man came along and killed them all with his stubber

Thank you ogryn

I should start looking into zealot boltgun

[arctic rampart]

the problem with the bolt pistol is it seems to be a worse zarona

I never gave it much try though

[stoic thorn]

I will die before I use an autogun voluntarily

Unless it's the stubber and the shotty

[faint beacon]

It’s cause it is

Why use it when Zarona is so heavily power crept over it

[stoic thorn]

I love my bistol

It's such a cool thing

[arctic rampart]

Right so its basically the infantry lasgun (bolt pistol) vs recon lasgun (zarona).. why bother with the worse version?

[stoic thorn]

A miniature rocket launcher right in my back pocket? Hell yeah

[arctic rampart]

ah, the bonk effect. bolt pistol sounds cool

[stoic thorn]

And it serves me well

Kills ragers

[arctic rampart]

sounds like it serves you ... ok

[stoic thorn]

Kills just about every human except maulers in a hit

[arctic rampart]

the shovel of range weapons

[tall torrent]

2-handed power sword confirmed (for zealot)

[stoic thorn]

Oh shit

We getting a HEAVY STUBBER???

DAMN YOU FATSHARK I WANTED AN ASSAULT CANNON

Achlys will have to settle then

Give us the shit that the Terminators on

[gaunt geyser]

Need... Kasrkin gear

[gaunt geyser]

[stoic thorn]

WE NEED OUR HOTSHOTS TOO

[arctic rampart]

2 hand force sword too.. lightsabers

[arctic rampart]

that' be cool if they gave the 2h force sword to ogryns only

[orchid hemlock]

Based

[stoic thorn]

When's the plasma pistol

[wild oasis]

WHY CANT I GET A TWO HANDED WEAPON AAAAAAAHHHHHH

[stoic thorn]

I need a plasma pistol

You grip the chainsword with both hands when you heavy swing

There

[wild oasis]

yeah but still

if only

[arctic rampart]

2h power sword sounds fun to me ?

so u can.

[stoic thorn]

What's the diff if its 2 hands anyway

[tall torrent]

it's zealot exclusive

[shadow dagger]

I can actually interrupt the reload without feeling like I'm passing a goddamn kidney stone

[arctic rampart]

its fatshark so it'll probably be amazing but also suck and have a bug where it gets caught in the floor or something

[stoic thorn]

There is a limit to which I forgo meta and use the rule of cool

[bronze trout]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-gene-wilder-willy-wonka-you-get-nothing-nothing-gif-5432076

[stoic thorn]

Bistol kills ragers at my difficulty and I am happy

[bronze trout]

Nothing for vets

[arctic rampart]

I can't remember the last time I saw anyone use a bolt pistol in auric

I did see like lots of tac axes though, god knows why

[shadow dagger]

wdf

I've seen a decent amount of bistols when I took a break from my break to do the event

all aurics

[arctic rampart]

I think everyone switched to bolt guns

[shadow dagger]

though oddly a lot of players were like sub-lvl75

[stoic thorn]

If yall want a 2 handed sword on vet just tell the man to grip it with both hands

[arctic rampart]

every zealot on the planet is using ds4 and bolt gun. well 90% anyway

[stoic thorn]

The Bistol sounds nice and serves me well

[hollow ibex]

More stubbers lol

Bruh

[stoic thorn]

The Thammer sounds nice and turns people I charge at into mush

[tall torrent]

ok so this update has:
2 new melee for zealot (relic blade)
2 new melee for psyker (force greatsword)
3 new ranged for ogryn (heavy stubber)
New Havoc game mode
New mission: Dark Commune
Anniversary special event (weapon trinket)
Penance track expansion (more challenges & rewards)
Party finder extension
Stance idle animation

[vapid surge]

Update for new weapons
looks inside
No weapon for a class

[tall torrent]

very nice

[vapid surge]

Awesome, very cool

[stoic thorn]

I'm fucking killing myself

[arctic rampart]

so something for everyone except veteran

[vapid surge]

Yep

[pseudo fiber]

That's odd.

[grand perch]

im fine with that

[tall torrent]

I'm also fine with that

[vapid surge]

I guess he has enough or something

[grand perch]

let us be fine together

[arctic rampart]

that makes sense tbh. pretty sure vet is the most popular class for a year+

[tall torrent]

Veteran has like 50+ weapons total lol

[stoic thorn]

Unless wheres my fucking melta

[arctic rampart]

when I get the all vet team I know we win

[pseudo fiber]

#general-chat message

[stoic thorn]

Can we get a plasma buff

Can we get it lore accurate

[arctic rampart]

when its 3 zealots with daggers|ds4 and stealth I know I'm gonna have to do some heavy lifting

[heavy rover]

When I get all vet team I know we all gonna PUT THE KARKING BOOT IN

[turbid frigate]

What's the best varient snd blessings on the infantry autogun, spearhead boltgun, vigilant auto, infantry Las?

[shadow dagger]

can we stop intentionally saying outrageous things to elicit reactions

[stoic thorn]

1984

[shadow dagger]

there's a veteran guide in the pinned messages

[heavy rover]

I just wish for more vet drip

[arctic rampart]

check the guide in sticky for all your needs

[tall torrent]

no wtf

[shadow dagger]

there's perk and blessing recommendations for each weapon in there

[arctic rampart]

it'd be cool if the plasma became more powerful but also hurt teammates

[stoic thorn]

It'd be cool if I could gamble on my charged shot

[arctic rampart]

1 shots entire map, but also entire team including you

[stoic thorn]

Fuck the if you're at 100% you die

[stoic thorn]

I want to charge shot and gamble if i die

[tall torrent]

no weapon for veteran confirmed

[bronze trout]

rip

[shadow dagger]

just let me 1 bodyshot flamers with +maniac superiority complex redirect fire

[tall torrent]

another 400hrs of Rashad lets gooooo

[arctic rampart]

if you're using charged shot you're probably doing it wrong TBH. I cant remember the last time I used charged shot.. just hipfire forever

[stoic thorn]

I'm not using the charged shot

Unless I see a crusher

And he's alone

Then it'd be really funny

And I'd charge shot

[arctic rampart]

if you wanna charge it that helbore or whatever weird lasgun can be good. and you get a bayonet stab!

[stoic thorn]

I hipfire all the way dw

[pseudo fiber]

Nipping it in the bud early I get it

Bit lame though

[stoic thorn]

Exe stance ftw kill all those stinky specials and elites

[arctic rampart]

dont you mix it up? ds4 or ps6 at least?

[tall torrent]

u need like 25% carapace to one tap crusher on charged shot, it's not worth it

[stoic thorn]

I already run carapace

[arctic rampart]

I thought you were a shock maul enthusiast

[stoic thorn]

I think that's what the pins told me

[tall torrent]

duelling sword is cringe and power sword is more monotonous to me than anything

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent u finished the steam guide yet? 🤔

[tall torrent]

because power sword is genuinely 1 combo for everything besides boss, ogryn & mauler

[arctic rampart]

supposedly they stealth fixed tac axes light attacks so now they finally work.

[tall torrent]

no

[stoic thorn]

I'm killing myself

[tall torrent]

I finished (sorta) the plasma gun section tho

[stoic thorn]

The pins did not tell me to use carapace

[grand perch]

says who and what did they fix exactly?

[tall torrent]

plasma gun guide

@orchid hemlock

[arctic rampart]

tack axe VII I think I watched a dray video?

yeah "tactical axe VII is finally amazing" for title

[stoic thorn]

I love plasma

[arctic rampart]

but tack axe is the same movement speed as rashad, so I don't see why to use it

[stoic thorn]

From the tabletop to the games

[turbid frigate]

Pins won't load.

[shadow dagger]

yeah

[turbid frigate]

@arctic rampart which guide?

[shadow dagger]

just like using carapace on surge staff isn't recommended

[arctic rampart]

its a youtube video

[shadow dagger]

you get one or two use cases out of it

maybe hit some breakpoints

[arctic rampart]

I dunno if I can post links to videos here but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcEujjlRqY8 that one

[shadow dagger]

but for burst damage weapons breakpoints are important

[tall torrent]

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

[shadow dagger]

and dropping perks just for the funny crusher speedkill hurts

[arctic rampart]

it seems kind of like ds4 but not as good style. so if you wanna be different I guess it could be viable

[grand perch]

ah fixing animation cancelling the previous attack. yeah that does sound nice if thats true

im not sure if that's been a huge issue for vet, while we did get atk speed buffs, zealot had just so much more

as a huge taxe enjoyer im just glad to see its not forgotten

[arctic rampart]

they need to buff the tack axe so its halfway between rashad and ds4 in movement speed / dodges

glad to see it got some fixes though

[tall torrent]

nah it needs more single target dmg

[radiant chasm]

It has the dodges

[tall torrent]

it's like
less than a third of the dps of both of them

very funny for a "slightly smaller axe"

[turbid frigate]

Guide won't load lol

[tall torrent]

try opening in MS word

[arctic rampart]

I dunno I havent used it since I was below level 30. I watched some videos to see if it was any good.. not planning to use it anytime soon

[tall torrent]

because it is a word file

[arctic rampart]

get libreoffice its free and opens

it will open with wordpad but render horribly

[short fern]

I got 1 point left, target down or focus fire?

[umbral scaffold]

They gonna nerf vet also, because why not

[tall torrent]

that's fine

veteran needs some adjustments

[grand perch]

yeah source or its speculation

[shadow dagger]

depends

are you running a ranged weapon that needs the tiny bit of extra damage

[tall torrent]

target down

[short fern]

Im spamming recon lasgun

[tall torrent]

focused fire is bait

[short fern]

target down seems really good for everyone

[shadow dagger]

you hit an extra but also mostly insignificant amount of breakpoints with 8 redirect fire vs 5 right

is there an important one that isn't just a forgiveness bp

[radiant chasm]

Yea taxe has the same dodge stats as dueling swords besides the mk5 duelist

[terse idol]

Vet is just

[arctic rampart]

demo team

[terse idol]

Incredibly strong

[radiant chasm]

Knife is only 0.05 past that

Taxe needs damage

[umbral parrot]

All classes are incredibly strong

[umbral scaffold]

it is strong, but only a very slight margin

[radiant chasm]

Also should just idk

[arctic rampart]

I'd say buff ogryn TBH I see so few

Seems like space wizard needs the floor raised but the ceiling is fine

[umbral scaffold]

buff ogryn hell yeah

[umbral parrot]

Ogryn is kinda.... It's good, but they can't keep up

[umbral scaffold]

ogryn needs a damn talent nrework

[tall torrent]

nah

ogryn needs all their older weapons to not be bad lol

[shadow dagger]

we love oggy knife having like no armor damage

[umbral parrot]

Yea. Literally just go pickaxes

Anything less is just meh.

[tall torrent]

look at how long it takes for ogryn melee weapons to kill mutant and u'll see problems

[umbral scaffold]

slab, pickaxes or shovel is okey for melee

[umbral scaffold]

that's true

[terse idol]

Well ogryn

Lol

[umbral parrot]

They still good

[terse idol]

Not as good as the other classes

[umbral parrot]

That or I'm that awesome as Ogryn.

[terse idol]

Which is tough

Balancing for 4 classes
3 of which all share weapons with 1 of the classes that don't

[umbral parrot]

Yea, that is true. They are trying to keep up in everything but HP

[shadow dagger]

ogryns clamber shenaniganery makes playing the class just feel so much worse

[arctic rampart]

they should give ogryn ds4 too. it'd be hilarious

[umbral parrot]

Ds4?

[shadow dagger]

I could be having the run of the century and missing a clamber 3 times in a row would ruin my entire week

[arctic rampart]

dueling sword, mark 4

[umbral parrot]

Nice

[grand perch]

he'd hold it at the wrong end

and somehow, being a huge mountain of muscle, do less damage with it

[arctic rampart]

I don't run agile on my dueling sword anymore but I want the ogryn to get it and use that. Just this 1000lb mutant weirdo dodging forever real fast

[atomic zephyr]

we dont get the big power sword sadge

wasnt really expecting it tho

[pseudo fiber]

They give us a power fist to make up for it

I'll be a happy man

[grand perch]

shush big man, one day theyll patch in a biiig combat bike, just for you! like the space marines have

you just gotta believe hard enough

[atomic zephyr]

i was moreso expecting our power swords to get similar mechanics

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah me too

Weapon redundancy is the reason

[atomic zephyr]

strawhat said that it would be covered in a devblog

so we'll see what changes

[pseudo fiber]

I was a bit like irritated at first but then I thought about it and went whatever

Big huge sword fits the zealot look way more

[umbral scaffold]

it is belongs to zealot in lore

crusaders uses two handed power swords and power shields

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i agree, definitely a zealot thing

[tall torrent]

Veteran is not gonna get 2-handed melee weapons

[atomic zephyr]

agreed, doesnt fit vet

[arctic rampart]

Give veteran flame grenades. It'll be perfectly balanced and fine.

[umbral scaffold]

vet has enough amount of melee weapons already

[atomic zephyr]

i wonder how many times "hotshot lasgun" or "hellgun" has been mentioned in this server

[arctic rampart]

Of course, veteran immolation nades still replenish from grenade talents.

[bronze trout]

not enough

[arctic rampart]

melt gun

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe a pole arm esc weapon

Like something spear like

[atomic zephyr]

nah

[grand perch]

thatd be really odd for 40k guardsman

[umbral scaffold]

veteran needs a damn melta or hellgun

instead of melee

[arctic rampart]

replace arms with more guns

[grand perch]

except rough riders, they have explosive tipped spears

[umbral scaffold]

only spear weapons in lore used by grey knights

and custodes

or, attillan riders too

[grand perch]

i remember in tabletop nobody expected my guard to field horses. with power lances

fun times

[bronze trout]

Thats the new vet weapon

a horse

[arctic rampart]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.com

[elder fiber]

Wdym horse means you get to ammo faster than other class

Gunluggers never gonna shoot again

[faint beacon]

The cope in here is INSANE

[terse idol]

I would kill to get my kriegsmen drip

And a horse

And a lance

And die instantly by blowing up

[umbral scaffold]

a good vet weapon rework would be suffice

[regal belfry]

do you think the zealots get the 2h power swords

[hollow ibex]

Idk man

I wonder

[tall torrent]

Yes and they’re exclusive to zealot

It’s in the blog post lol

[regal belfry]

didn't read enough

[hollow ibex]

I’m an ogryn main

[regal belfry]

play with your new stubber

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-fuck-fuck-that-what-the-what-the-hell-spicy-wings-gif-14523961

[umbral scaffold]

you get a AUTO-C... just another stubber variant

[tall torrent]

Embed fail

[earnest bone]

f

[umbral scaffold]

it would be weird that a veteran wield two handed power sword tho

[earnest bone]

but i was guessin for new weps

[umbral scaffold]

zweihandler power swords in lore belongs to crusader houses

[earnest bone]

good thing we'l get some

[faint beacon]

Going out on a limb here but-

I think our rework is nerfs

[tough flower]

Just another day in the fragging guard then

[tough flower]

Real

[tall torrent]

Combat axe cleave buff
Plasma gun cleave nerf
BM nerf
Uncanny nerf
Skirmisher buff

And we’re cooking

[faint beacon]

Anyways don’t trust me on this

But I genuinely think PSword

[regal belfry]

vets got the butt stick this stime

[faint beacon]

Might get a rework

[umbral scaffold]

VoC nerf incoming

[tough flower]

I'm actually okay with these tbh

[faint beacon]

But if they nerf VOC

Peak

[tough flower]

I think they will

[tall torrent]

Nah, you’re prob gonna be seeing quad vet teams in havoc the most

Havoc already has “voc” in its name, yk what that means

[regal belfry]

i mean they got no new toy

[umbral scaffold]

veteran had enough toys

they need to buff some of those in orderto be viable

[torn gorge]

[tall torrent]

Veteran has like
56 weapons rn?

[torn gorge]

where are new ranged weapons

[tall torrent]

26 melee
30 ranged

[tough flower]

Ogryn deserves toys tbh

[umbral scaffold]

rework power sword and shovel

[tough flower]

Good for them

[faint beacon]

Ogryn needs it

Shovel is fine

[tough flower]

Please don't touch my shovel

[bronze trout]

Likely going to be balance pass with the update no? Still might be some serious shake ups

[faint beacon]

Shovel marks outside of Mk1 need minor tweaking to values

That’s it

[torn gorge]

they did not mention any balance pass

why are you expecting those

[pseudo fiber]

Me too.
Power sword works like relic sword. Gets a new special.
Didn't give them relic sword because A) didn't fit the aesthetic B) redundant

[grand perch]

longshot buff or rework, marksmans focus rework to actually benefit low rpm weapons more...the list could go on

[faint beacon]

Look

If there’s nothing regarding even reworks or balances

I will actually pop off if they rework marksmen focus

Like peak fucking update if they rework it

[tough flower]

And by rework they should gut it and make it good

[faint beacon]

Gut veteran all together

[tough flower]

Bold

[faint beacon]

Force people to play actually good classes like Zealot

[tough flower]

Honestly WS is the only good keystone

[tall torrent]

Gale the master baiter

[tough flower]

Focus Target is okay

[gilded rock]

@ everyone

[tough flower]

But I usually don't even use a keystone

[gilded rock]

https://tenor.com/view/fry-about-it-fry-cry-about-it-cry-crying-gif-23004146

[queen fox]

Veteran got not buffs because it didn't need any, the guard holds the line

[hollow phoenix]

Vets look at it this way, you’re already perfect. They couldn’t do anything to make you better because you’re perfect as is

[tough flower]

I just got off the phone with the Emperor lads. He says we're his top guys.

[faint beacon]

Too perfect perhaps

Perhaps

Nerfing is required

[tough flower]

If Zealot Dueling Sword and Psyker in general is allowed to exist I think we're okay for now

[queen fox]

Unironically zealot is stronger rn

[faint beacon]

No

[queen fox]

Yes

[faint beacon]

KILL veteran

[queen fox]

Mad cus bad

[hollow ibex]

No

[queen fox]

Crutch harder on ds zealot

[tall torrent]

Nah

[tough flower]

If you pick Veteran as a class it calls the police

[faint beacon]

MR ELECTRIC I WANT THIS CLASS BURIED IN THE GROUND IMMEDIATELY!!!!

[hollow phoenix]

Me, an Evis double barrel enjoyer

[tall torrent]

In terms of class strength (rn)
Psyker > veteran ≈ zealot > ogryn

[faint beacon]

You get put on an FBI watch list

[tough flower]

100% this

[tall torrent]

Before U&L update it was
Veteran > psyker ≈ zealot > ogryn

[gilded rock]

Psyker stronger than zealot and vet?

Maybe with set-up

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tough flower]

Much stronger

[tall torrent]

Psyker is broken

[tough flower]

Psyker can get absurd

[gilded rock]

Zealot and vet feel like more consistent performers

Oh for sure it can

[tough flower]

Krill issue

[faint beacon]

Mad cause you don’t understand peak that is Zealot

[tall torrent]

Psyker is sort of “win more” but it’s genuinely scaled way too much rn

[idle swallow]

so called free thinkers when zealot DS is a loadout

[faint beacon]

Melee psyker getting more goodies basically

Which is nice I won’t lie

[tough flower]

Kid named Electrokinetic Staff

[tall torrent]

Psyker is like

[faint beacon]

Macro M1

[tough flower]

Recently encountered the M1 spam EK

[faint beacon]

You love to see it

[tall torrent]

Glass cannon except u don’t get a cannon’s firepower, you’re more like a railgun

[tough flower]

That was insane

[tall torrent]

[tough flower]

I didn't know what I was seeing in the first horde

[faint beacon]

I block those players on sight

Like dropping the act

I unironically avoid those players cause they genuinely jeopardize matches

[tough flower]

I've only seen it once, since I am a supreme penitent (play in public aurics)

[faint beacon]

If you want to actually have fun

Avoid at all costs

It’s the same stigma as smite

[orchid hemlock]

Psyker has infinite cleave and infinite ammo

[faint beacon]

If not worse

[orchid hemlock]

what more do u want?

🚶🏻‍♂️

[idle swallow]

I just leave when I see a m1 macro psyker cuz I'm not squading up usually

[tough flower]

I mean if I start seeing it a lot I may adopt this dogma

But I've only seen one ever

So it was funny

If it becomes unfunny I'll act

[faint beacon]

Once every 10 matches

I get one

[tough flower]

Death

[faint beacon]

And I’ll stick around to see if they’re actually macroing or not

If they are I’m blocking and leaving

[tough flower]

Understandable

I thought there was a cooldown on the M1 though

How does the macro even work

[pseudo fiber]

Quell cancelling

Pretty cool tech

You cancel M1 with quell

Into M1

[grand perch]

peak warp

[tough flower]

Ah

That makes sense then

I'm not sweaty enough as Psyker to quell cancel

[pseudo fiber]

It's easier with like trau- voidblast staff

But m1 is quite tough and also like painful

[frank basin]

Full auto mod

I only had that

[tough flower]

Carpal tunnel for the Emperor

[frank basin]

That will be Tac axe

[umbral scaffold]

Heretics psyker is 2 rooms lower

[pseudo fiber]

In other news more rewards.

6th Plasma skin I hope

And also maybe helmet plus mask

Surely.

[frank basin]

I didn’t like tome and grimore run in Vermintide

I hate red item in vermintide

[shadow dagger]

my phone is not loading the guide at all, what were recommended mk6 power sword perks again

[tall torrent]

Elite + maniac

[shadow dagger]

funderful

[zenith widget]

when did duel sword become the best melee?

[frank basin]

Because uncanny strike

Pre cog and riposte

[grand perch]

when us vets got our grubby, plasma stained hands on it

[pseudo fiber]

It was always a contender when when locked to psyker.

[fading yarrow]

It's in the update trailer

[tame lodge]

When UnL came out

[pseudo fiber]

That's the 53rd set I meant for the 6th

[fading yarrow]

I see

I gotta start grinding Auric Mission penances then

[pale pecan]

Why are Vets not getting the 2 handed PS?

Like vets are getting nothing for this update

[tall torrent]

Not lore accurate

[pale pecan]

BS

[gilded rock]

Because veteran is no longer Fatshark's favorite child

[pale pecan]

Ugh

[gilded rock]

In real life, zealot gets the sword

[vapid surge]

Psyker is the new love of Fartshark

[pale pecan]

I wanted to be a 2 handed PS Vet man

VOC melee duelist

[vapid surge]

Fun is illegal

[pale pecan]

sadge

[tall torrent]

Havoc meta might just be quad vet

[pale pecan]

Ig I'll make do with Zealot

[crimson pebble]

reg psword is supposedly getting a rework

[gilded rock]

Quadruple VoC

Easy win

[pale pecan]

I might just get my friends to grenade chain with me

[vapid surge]

Knowing FS its just getting that heat mechanic the 2 handed is getting

So just a nerf

or it'll be a toggle, and power cycler reduces heat buildup?

[pale pecan]

I think that's more fun

Timing attacks is a good mechanic

rewards skilled play and timings

[crimson pebble]

the heat mechanic is imo the only option they had to make power weapons not activation gimepd

[pale pecan]

It'll work out I think

[crimson pebble]

and if i had to guess theyll have a blessing w it something like reduces heat build of crits or weakspot kills something like that

[pale pecan]

Perhaps there might be some new updates to existing talent nodes?

Or additions such as Psyker

[pseudo fiber]

Either that or make power sword like the space marine 2 power sword

[pale pecan]

The meta might drastically change

[vapid surge]

Moveset change would be cool

[pale pecan]

Would not surprise me if they added a "reduced heat buildup" node

They very much were experimenting with the psyker changes

[tall torrent]

Not mentioned

[crimson pebble]

if pyskers is also heat based itll be insane w scriers me thinks

[pale pecan]

Either way, my heart is sad for Vets this update if we do end up not getting the 2HPS

I was really looking forward to that

[terse idol]

We get the cool armour

[tall torrent]

We’re straight up not getting the 2-handed power sword on veteran

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

I’m fine with that, I want older weapons to get buffed/adjusted

[terse idol]

Also naw yeah I doubt we'll get two handed psword

[pale pecan]

Sadge

[crimson pebble]

vet has ate good for a while im fine w it melta or volllygun is almost a certain next weapon i think

[gilded rock]

Imagine managing both peril and heat

Likely only gonna be peril

[terse idol]

We got the long las leak

[tall torrent]

Veteran already has like 56 weapons total

[vapid surge]

I doubt vet will get any 2 handed melee weapons because "Muh Balance"

[terse idol]

And we're waiting for 3 weapons

[tall torrent]

GW won’t allow it

[terse idol]

Melta, hell gun, longlas

[crimson pebble]

thats what i meant yea i forgor abt peril

[pale pecan]

Helbore is basically a spear like cmon

jk but still

I'm coping rn

that I have to play Zealot to use the 2 handed PS

[frank basin]

Zealot helbore sure be funny

[crimson pebble]

zealots fun w be more fun w 2h

[vapid surge]

Quick Q is this official?

or a kit bash?

[frank basin]

Is that shield and devil claw?

[vapid surge]

On a mini, yes

[tawny timber]

Vet shield would be based

[pale pecan]

I'm not into whammy for the figurines alas

I have a different expensive hobby

[frank basin]

Being a furry

[pale pecan]

💅

[terse idol]

[frank basin]

Is smudgel a kobold furry too?

[shadow dagger]

wonder how much better dclaw would get if they gave it uncanny

[terse idol]

Oh course

[frank basin]

Scalie

[regal smelt]

yeah uh, back when hand cannon on revolver applied to melee weapons, 90% rending on crits

it was good lol

[vapid surge]

That was a fun bug

[forest breach]

please tell me that veterans psword gets a similar heat mechanic as the upcoming zealots gpsword, that brainrot alt spam gets relly boring.

[regal smelt]

basically just powersword

[frank basin]

Psword has Mobility feel slow

I think that’s enough

[forest breach]

thatsnot what im talking baout :D
The thing is, its just boring to use so the hope is that the heat mechanic would make it more fun to use

[frank basin]

So you want blow up and punish overheating on powersword?

[forest breach]

yes

[frank basin]

I don’t think that’s how Psword function

Boltgun is powerful already

[vapid surge]

In literally this announcment it said for the 2 hander it'd just turn off until cooled

Simmer down

[shadow dagger]

uhh with unpowered psword melee being in its current state? lmao

may as well be smacking people with the skinny end of a 2x4

[crimson pebble]

i dont think its gonna be unusable or like explode you itll just be less dmg and cleave if i had to guess

[gilded rock]

Explode you would be funny

[forest breach]

its just alt spam to win rn, it could be a lot more interesting than that.

and the low mobility is really not a problem

[frank basin]

I get surrounded when I try Alt spamming on horde

I still consider that is punishment

Activation has animation prevent you attacking

[crimson pebble]

pyskers prob will but they have a lot of insurances to keep you from dying from it

[gilded rock]

That talent that reduces peril on melee weakspot kill has the potential to go so fucking crazy with scrier's on a cleave 2h force sword

[short fern]

do veterans usually use sniper or gunner resistance? Seems like a lot more gunners but snipers sneaky every now and then

[gilded rock]

Mulch an entire horde over and over and you never die

[gilded rock]

I like 3x gooner, 1x sniper

[terse idol]

I take like 2x gunner res and 1x sniper res

For everyybody

[gilded rock]

At least 2x is the minimum tho

[short fern]

the 1x so you don't get one shot Im assuming

alright ty

[gilded rock]

Gunner resistance is the difference between this

https://tenor.com/view/metroman-megamind-metro-man-gif-4270232700510617971

and this

https://tenor.com/view/john-marston-red-dead-redemption-surrounded-john-marston-death-open-door-gif-10004198226810567881

[forest breach]

that's a question on positioning. besides, getting surrounded doesen't matter when you are a toughness crustacean vet. You can get some insane toughness regen against hordes with out for blood

Psword is absolutely insane, but very VERY boring to use

[frank basin]

My playstyle is average I think 1% are complaining is boring

I’m the 99%

[short fern]

so out for blood applies to everything?...

[frank basin]

Yes

[shadow dagger]

I wonder if it would be worth running 2 sniper resists to avoid 2x hp main curios and still keep the surviving snipers on 1 wound thing

[short fern]

jesus

[frank basin]

Ranger kill and melee

[crimson pebble]

i use toughness% ordo and sprint efficiency on my curios

[tall torrent]

5% from every kill
Melee kills get 10% (5% base + 5% from out for blood)

[short fern]

that's actually insane

[tough flower]

Close, kill, and do it again

[tall torrent]

Still not as good as confirmed kill usually

[gilded rock]

I don't see why not

[forest breach]

out for blood was 2.5% at one point and still worth it.

[terse idol]

Still worth the HP

[gilded rock]

Toughness is the name of the game

[terse idol]

And like VOC negates the snipper shot on gold toughness iirc

[tall torrent]

Nah

Cuz then u get burster’d

[terse idol]

Yeah

[modest wraith]

damage resist curios really aren't worth it

[forest breach]

u gotta max ur toughness with vet, you get so much value from toughness skills and VoC

[tough flower]

Or flamer explosioned

[gilded rock]

Bait

[terse idol]

You want abit of HP, toughness and your resistances

[tough flower]

Since that skips toughness

[shadow dagger]

my main problem is that I run 3x dockets because I'm still missing most of the expensive docket cosmetics

[tall torrent]

Health is just a much more versatile resource

[terse idol]

Now tahaayt

[shadow dagger]

so I just sorta can't afford to spare the substat slot

[tall torrent]

U can run 3x docket very easily

[terse idol]

Is a you problem

[tall torrent]

With 2x health

[gilded rock]

Unless you mean bomber/flamer/hound/etc.

[tall torrent]

I don’t see why it would be difficult

Unless you’re doing stamina curio

Which is usually just not needed

[shadow dagger]

ya I use stamina

[tough flower]

Stamina curio for QOL

[short fern]

idk I get snuck up on by pox kamikazes too often to not run 2 health

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

[modest wraith]

gunner damage resistance for example!

[crimson pebble]

my reason

[shadow dagger]

which is sorta silly because I'm on my rashad arc and fuck if that thing needs more than like 3 stamina at a time

[modest wraith]

really not good when it comes down to it

it doesn't stop you from being shredded

[frank basin]

Tanner acolyte

[runic flower]

objectively correct statement
there already is immunity against gunners built into the game, its called sliding

[short fern]

is deadshot with 9 stamina a viable build or is it a trap?

[runic flower]

being immune vs ranged >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resisting ranged

[grand perch]

wheres the guy from this morning with his "all damage resist perks are useless" takes. had a good laugh there

[shadow dagger]

surely he was a player good enough at the game to not need it

:clueless:

[terse idol]

Why not both

[runic flower]

there's also another form of immunity against ranged called walls

[modest wraith]

they don't even work that well as a safety net

[terse idol]

Resist and be immune

What if you don't want to run a blessing that gives you immunity

Or if a weapon doesn't have immunity

[tall torrent]

Don’t bother engaging with them lol

[runic flower]

see, when you go behind a wall, the gunner cant shoot at you, making you effectively immune to their damage

[terse idol]

[vapid surge]

Unless you make yourself too tall in charecter creation

[runic flower]

ogryns deserve it

[shadow dagger]

don't enemies shoot for center of mass

[vapid surge]

they shoot for whats available

[shadow dagger]

or do they shoot at camera

[terse idol]

Well yeeeahhhjjjjh

But it's not that bad

[grand perch]

i am at peak tallness because i dont cower from no gunners

cadia stands or something

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-cute-cute-kiss-gif-14038233

[modest wraith]

gunner resistance really doesn't make a difference though

[runic flower]

im not talking about stuff like empathic evasion that gives you iframes if you crit
im talking about just dodging and then crouching, which makes you slide
sliding gives you iframes against ranged attacks

[frank basin]

Camera

[modest wraith]

try it for yourself in the psykanium. spawn a few gunners in with and without gunner resist curios

[runic flower]

dude i might be tripping but i swear 100% there's a bit in the psykanium tutorial about this
where the game spawns some gunners and it tells you "slide to be immune to them" or something

[shadow dagger]

shame gunners seem to coinflip whether they gaslight the game into thinking you have twbs or not

I was literally trying to run away from a reaper up some stairs with full toughness and the game decided to keep shoving me into the stairs

kept trying to make me clamber until I just got downed

silly little behavior

[tough flower]

The game is on the side of chaos

Abominable intelligence

[grand perch]

its an angry green eyed man

[tall torrent]

sprint avoid ranged attack angle

(most tanner believers do not know this)

[runic flower]

im not talking about sprint im talking about sliding

mehcanically, sliding gives you iframes vs ranged attacks

[tall torrent]

I think 1 gunner resist is fine, more than that is up to preference

[runic flower]

i do this in aurics constantly
how do you not know this

literally basic in-game tutorial knowledge

[tall torrent]

I probably know a lot more than u do

[runic flower]

unlikely

[grand perch]

y u trollin

[runic flower]

yeah path, stop trolling

this guy, telling the newbies sliding doesnt give you iframes vs ranged

[tall torrent]

I never said that?

[narrow frost]

Technically there isn't Iframes

[grand perch]

point to where the bad man said that on this doll

[tall torrent]

Sliding is not i-frame either, it’s disable tracking from ranged enemies

[shadow dagger]

since we've moved on to completely missing the point of the conversation, whether intentionally or not

lets talk about dreg gunners being unarmored

fuck unarmored

[frank basin]

They are armored on torso

[runic flower]

they have flak

as well

just some parts

[terse idol]

I meeeannnnnnn

Its the theory that you won't always be in a situation where you can just be dodging and sliding every gunner all the time

Lord forbid

You also get ambushed by 6 gunners

Which happens

[tall torrent]

Tanner believers will tell u “just sprint & slide vs gunners” and never tell u the actual requirements for avoiding ranged attacks

Partially true ≠ completely true

[narrow frost]

True

[terse idol]

It is the difference between taking half your toughness or going to 25 toughness compared to losing health and taking chip damage

[narrow frost]

I still get hit when sliding towards ranged enemies

[modest wraith]

this isn't a "just be good lol" point it's just. that gunner resist doesn't make a big difference

[terse idol]

It does though

[narrow frost]

It does

[terse idol]

Its like running

0 gunner toughness and

20%

[runic flower]

prove it

[terse idol]

That's a flat 20% increase

[terse idol]

Uh

The %

I'm being inflammatory

It does help

[frank basin]

Slander

[terse idol]

I mean it works even better in your theory

[shadow dagger]

doesn't the anti gunner resist group also seem to completely gloss over the fact that a good 80% of the time you die to gunners, it's because your routes for dodging are blocked by either the enemies distracting you from it or the map itself

[runic flower]

crosses arms
prove it with numerical data and in-game tests

[terse idol]

Because it further reduces damage

When you are dodging and sliding

If you ever get hit

Why not take gunner res

To further reduce ANY

Gunner damage you take

While also dodging and sliding

It's like when we talk about it

[faint beacon]

Okay the reason

Gunners resist doesn’t seem huge at first

[frank basin]

Do people believe gunner resist has own diminish value?

[tall torrent]

@severe gale where’s that gunner resist video I can’t find it

[terse idol]

It sounds like the assumption that if you take gunner res you don't dodge and slide anymore

But you do

[faint beacon]

It’s cause we have a wacky thing called

[narrow frost]

I think I have it, one sec

[faint beacon]

IRON WILL

[tall torrent]

The one where she got beamed by 3 gunners while slammed by mutant

[frank basin]

Gale is zealotry on iron will talent

[narrow frost]

Oh

Lol

[frank basin]

[narrow frost]

That one

[faint beacon]

The moment you drop under that is when you really notice the gunner res take effect

[runic flower]

i mean if your curios already have the best blessings available and you can spare the space for gunner resist then go ahead
no reason not to

maybe there's an argument to be made for ogryn taking that blessing idk

[regal smelt]

is this in terms of regular side dodges against melee attacks?

[frank basin]

Ogryn is big only has 50 toughness base

[terse idol]

I mdan

[tall torrent]

This is for sprint avoid

[terse idol]

The reason being there's not... that many other good blessings

[regal smelt]

gotcha makes sense

[terse idol]

And it doesn't hurt to have 1

Its like the same as sniper res

Yes you can not-take it

It will help you survive in any situation where you do get hit

Gunners are just

Sigificantly more common

So there's less of a reason not to take it for one of the more common specials

[terse idol]

Least that's how I see it

[zenith widget]

duel sword kinda insane wTF

[frank basin]

They do

[zenith widget]

i used it on psyker for mobility,

[frank basin]

Same

[zenith widget]

now it's just everything

[frank basin]

Gunmyker with DS

[tall torrent]

Ok found it, was only 1 gunner

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j3PqRh6yXaunM9PbX?invite=cr-MSxQYjIsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[runic flower]

listen man
if it helps people not die i wont fault them for taking it
i personally dont take it because it hurts my pride as a gamer

[tall torrent]

what do u run, 3x CDR?

[frank basin]

Probably sprint efficiency

[tall torrent]

3x CDR is much harder to fit into curios most of the time

[terse idol]

That

Is just a terrible reasoning

Reee!

Why even have the discussion if it's just about pride

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

[terse idol]

[frank basin]

Is okay

[runic flower]

depends on the class

or the build even

[tall torrent]

For veteran

[frank basin]

Clad don’t like me run smoke

[runic flower]

checking

[worldly pulsar]

I wish the Agripinaa revolver was better. I like being a space cowboy.

[runic flower]

the exact same curio in every slot
this is for VoC and i find the cdr useful because it lets me spam the most broken ability in the entire game slightly more often

[tall torrent]

U run stamina regen delay nodes?

[earnest bone]

what a luxury

[candid agate]

recon lasgun is fun

[runic flower]

just one

[tall torrent]

What’s ur avg damage taken stat like

[earnest bone]

hard facts

[faint beacon]

As long as you aren’t only spraying into hordes

[tall torrent]

“Recon Lasgun is fun”

756k melee damage with Rashad

[faint beacon]

I couldn’t care less if you recon las

LMAO

[earnest bone]

but they forced me to clutch

[faint beacon]

That’s Rashad gameplay

[candid agate]

i use recon lasgun for ranged enemy hunting as well as horde clearing

[faint beacon]

Damn I like this gun, uses the extremely addictive melee instead

[runic flower]

about 300ish
sometimes a bit higher

[faint beacon]

Avoid horde clear

I understand with shooters and anything elite or special

[candid agate]

but big number make brain go happy

[faint beacon]

But use your melee for poxers and groaners

[terse idol]

I mean it's like

Ah my god

[frank basin]

You like my friend saying “big number make monkey brain happy”

[candid agate]

i have reciprocity for knife so that should be good

[terse idol]

Cdr just isn't useful because you're already reducing the cooldown

[frank basin]

He want roll perfect weapon before Unlocked and loaded

[tall torrent]

Nah, it can be useful

I think -3.6s CD does matter

[terse idol]

Yeah raarely I do notice i needed it like

[tall torrent]

But it takes 3 slots

[terse idol]

A few times

Yeah

[tall torrent]

So it’s harder to incorporate into builds

It’s more of a commitment than gunner resist x1 as an example

[faint beacon]

Reminder

1 special kill

6 seconds instantly shaved off

[runic flower]

its marginally less useful on something like psyker who gets insane CDR and abilities with low base CD
depends on the class and build

[tall torrent]

There’re cases where the game just sends u 16 ragers back to back to back and only send 2 flamers

[frank basin]

elite more spawn than special spawn

Except the 3veg?

[tall torrent]

Only mode where specialist spawn rate is consistently higher is hound/mutant/burster wave

[terse idol]

I mean

Ahh my gosh

[tall torrent]

Ur not gonna convince them, don’t bother

[terse idol]

Its the issue I've talked about that CDR, reduces it only at the start
And any other time where you haven't used your ult it just doesn't doooo anything

But that's just my opinion

[runic flower]

convince me of what im literally telling him it DEPENDS
there's no cookie-cutter curio set up that fits all classes

[tough flower]

All wound curious

[runic flower]

SEE WHAT WORKS FOR YOU

[terse idol]

But it doesn't depends with gunner res

Yes

[tough flower]

Grimoire resist

Fits all

[terse idol]

But it's advocating for curios for otherrrrrssss

[earnest bone]

fine

[runic flower]

IF GUNNER RESIST GIVES YOU GOOD RESULTS TAKE IT

[earnest bone]

[terse idol]

Its the issue when you and I argue as to why it isn't goooood

[spring rose]

Idk I like to stack cdr curios for shouty vet

[tough flower]

I am 11 wounds man

[spring rose]

VoC saved my life too many times not to spam it whenever possible

[grand perch]

i think i saw a movie with a cat that had like 7 wounds once

only the last one matters

[tough flower]

Real

[earnest bone]

have you seem a horror movie called

[tough flower]

Treat all 11 wounds like they're your last

[earnest bone]

martyrdom Ogryn

[grand perch]

oh lawd

[runic flower]

I mean yeah i dont think its good
its not good for me because the way i play the game makes gunners not be an issue for me personally
but maybe if you take a more risky approach then it'll be good for you

[grand perch]

i have

[frank basin]

6 wounds ogryn

[earnest bone]

[tough flower]

I have also seen that horror movie

[slow spade]

"2-handed Psword"

"Zealot"

I had a feeling :c

[earnest bone]

still no meltagun

or plasma pistoleto

[slow spade]

if only there was an enemy for Fatshark to reference that had a plasma pistol UwU

[short fern]

isn't melta gun anti vehicle?

[crimson pebble]

and

[slow spade]

its essentially a plasma flamethrower

the only thing it might be "bad" against is void shields

[crimson pebble]

kraks can also be anti vehicle plasma aswell i think wouldn't stop me from obliterating some poor poxwalker w them

[slow spade]

melta gun with 10% ADM vs infested UwU

[hard cave]

nuclear bomb vs baby

[frank basin]

Hydrogen bomb vs babies

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-your-money-meme-flashlight-bright-money-flashlight-gif-1586706469445267857

[remote sonnet]

Need more plasma weapon

[digital cargo]

A weapon so incredibly hot it makes nurglings remember pain

[faint beacon]

The hound being stunlocked by 12 point blank melta blasts and just not giving a fuck

[slow spade]

bolter used to have like 40% ADM vs infested for the longest time

I wouldn't be surprised

[grand perch]

that was so silly

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-unmatched-power-of-the-sun-sun-power-cop-gif-22776276

[zenith widget]

vet players that use their range 100% of the time then run out of ammo and become useless. Sound familiar?

[severe gale]

i don’t have it

[faint beacon]

He found it

Dw

[steep vault]

does anyone know the ADM of plasma? trying to write something up rn and I need it

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent you know this way better than I do

[tall torrent]

no

why do u need it

[steep vault]

writing a little misinformation right now

[tall torrent]

I already have an extremely comprehensive plasma guide section done

[steep vault]

yea I know

I'm making an obviously fake blurb and see if people would fall for it

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/never-cook-again-never-cook-cook-never-goku-gif-3962474524105307442

[steep vault]

no one will know

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/never-cook-again-never-cook-cook-never-goku-gif-3962474524105307442

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/never-cook-again-never-cook-cook-never-goku-gif-3962474524105307442

This gif funny

[steep vault]

Can't exactly get the font and spacing right

but I think it's good enough

[faint beacon]

God

You really are a Dorn grub

[steep vault]

dorn would nerf plasma

[dry niche]

Plasma was buffed?

[steep vault]

I won't

[steep vault]

no lmao

[faint beacon]

Yes

[steep vault]

I made a fake blurb

[dry niche]

I have been rused

[frank basin]

Dorn is dead

Why mention him

Are we stuck in the past?

[runic flower]

the primarch?

[frank basin]

No the zealot player named dorn

He was here

[runic flower]

the primarch is dead in the lore i think

[slow spade]

na they brought him back in the latest codex to sell more plastic figures

[steep vault]

dorn yet lives

[tall torrent]

rogal dorn is "dead" (he's definitely not dead lol)

[frank basin]

He’s an exile

Unfortunate life

[pseudo fiber]

He died then they retconned it and now it was just his arm

[tall torrent]

his "death" is one of the most "trust me bro" deaths ever

[pseudo fiber]

Hey I'm not complaining if the goat comes back

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-me-laughing-le-caught-meme-twitter-gif-23985502

[tall torrent]

any primarch who hasn't had an on-screen primarch death (soul spark thing dissipating) is not truly dead

basically

[balmy flume]

Zealots getting in on that delicious P Sword action

Might actually get me to play Zealot seriously.

[slow spade]

"and somehow Horus came back"

[steep vault]

horus is dead dead

everyone else is fair game

[uncut pebble]

Sanguinius.

[steep vault]

maybe sangy too

yea

forgot about that

[terse idol]

That is the most canon death ever thankfully

Or well I should say

Permanent

[uncut pebble]

Horus was cloned and then immediately murdered by I believe Abbadon.

[terse idol]

If horus comes back the the emperor grows his flesh back

[steep vault]

cloned without his soul

I don't remember the science of 40k cloning