veteran-class

[orchid hemlock]

So health is the only way to "counter" them

[winged laurel]

i have been wondering / pondering if i should change 1 wound for thougness but as i said if shit works why change it

[queen fox]

100% ignores or partially ignores?

[orchid hemlock]

Busters and Snipers take out your toughness instantly and deal damage based on a flat amount of HP

So it doesn't matter if you have 500 toughness, u will loose it all and take the same amount of HP damage

[tall torrent]

Complete bypass

[atomic zephyr]

shouting will negate burster hp damage

but without extra toughness buff yes its a bypass

[orchid hemlock]

The only way to prevent this is over capping toughness

[queen fox]

Do crusher overhead smashes do the same destroys toughness thing?

[orchid hemlock]

But u still loose all of your toughness

[tall torrent]

Just go read my guide, curio & defense section

[errant carbon]

Because it doesn't work. If you ran extra Wounds, and it has been working, and if (as you said) you rarely go down, your success had nothing to do with the extra Wounds.

[tall torrent]

I covered all of this in great detail

[errant carbon]

When was the last time you actually died because you were on your last Wound and went down again

[orchid hemlock]

What's funny about overcap toughness is that you cannot loose HP as long as u have it.

Even if u have 5 toughness and 1 over capped toughness, u cannot loose health from anything in the game

[winged laurel]

So the emperor watches over me, good to know

[winged laurel]

its been a while

[orchid hemlock]

The reason why wound in general isn't worth it is because you are putting the value of the stat into your allies picking u up

[tidal mango]

Does the distance to the burster explosion matter? Like do you take less dmg the further you are away?

[tall torrent]

Only matters for the corruption damage

[queen fox]

Are wounds worth it for martyrdom points?

[tall torrent]

You’ll still take 100 damage even on blast edge, but the corrupted health portion can be lower

[queen fox]

I like bonus dmg and I like living dangerously

[tall torrent]

Yes
But martyrdom is not worth in general

IJ is just better

[tidal mango]

Got it, thanks!

[severe gale]

yeah, marty isn’t the best of the options but it can be fun, and good enough

[orchid hemlock]

I don't like Martyrdom because unlike in VT2 where u can generate grey health, you are constantly in danger of getting one shot by something.

[queen fox]

I do lvl1 souls runs its nothing

[tidal mango]

I switched from martyrdom to momentum recently and having a lot of fun so far

[queen fox]

Momentum seems best to me tbh

[tall torrent]

IJ is just much better

[queen fox]

Since mobility is survivability and it rewards mobility with dmg

[orchid hemlock]

Wounds also don't lower the ammount of corruption u receive, so if you take too much corruption it makes the wounds useless

[orchid hemlock]

U mean piety

[potent lichen]

How is Slug shotgun with Weapon Specialist?

[ancient path]

do you guys top damage as stealth knife vet?

this is what i live for 😩

[faint beacon]

It’s good

Guarantees crits if you’re running between melee and the shotgun frequently

[ancient path]

i dont top damage and im wondering if im doing something wrong. however, im always top revives.

i wanna pick up field improv for even more support but i cant squeeze it in. i really like serrated blade for if i dont crit with my sawed off

[potent lichen]

I may try that over revolver then, I run outta ammo all the time against shooters

[balmy flume]

Time to burn up some resources to finish off weapon masteries.

[faint beacon]

Extremely bad habit is using ammo on anything really trash related

[austere mica]

You know one stack of bleed does literally 6 points of damage right

[faint beacon]

Shotgun can get away with it just

Generally use melee on Chaffe

[potent lichen]

I try to but damn when there's a big-ass firing line across a room

[faint beacon]

Shoot a few rounds at them and push forward

[austere mica]

Smokes or slide spam to close with them

[faint beacon]

That or slide

Slide spam they struggle hitting you

[potent lichen]

I'll have to give that a try

[faint beacon]

This is a very weird way to compare it but

[potent lichen]

Smokes are interesting, but I feel like without Kraks I'll struggle too much against crusher/mauler packs

[faint beacon]

Have you played ULTRAKILL

[ancient path]

its mostly for mercy kill proc

[austere mica]

Oh good

Thought you were one of those insane people who take it for damage

[faint beacon]

Cause if so think of it like when you slide in ULTRAKILL it makes your hit box smaller

It’s the same situation

[ancient path]

no. just for easier mercy kill lol

[potent lichen]

Previously I was using stealth to close gaps, haha

[austere mica]

Wait dbarrel doesn’t even proc it

It’s melee only

[ancient path]

flechette

[austere mica]

Yeah but you said it’s nice you don’t crit

[faint beacon]

You can use literally anything and close the gap you just gotta learn movement

[ancient path]

ya, i dont really know my crit chance? so if it doesn't proc (tho i think? weapon spec gives me 100% crit?) off my sawed off i can get a bleed stack from melee.

[faint beacon]

That’s a huge thing that keeps players from going to Damnation+

[austere mica]

If you run on PC you can get Crit Chance Display

[arctic rampart]

this is very valuable https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/279

[ancient path]

i do run pc hah

[austere mica]

Nice little ui element that shows crit actively

[ancient path]

this seems nice but even more screen clutter 😩

(im a mmo player its not a big deal)

[austere mica]

It’s quite small

You can also push it around to wherever (but the ui to do so is initially blinding)

[ancient path]

ya. i am a bit worried im doubling down too much on crit and could drop flachette if i run serrated blade

[arctic rampart]

I see people using numeric ui and some one that lets them move the self stats more prominently

[ancient path]

or drop serrated blade, i mean.

if im running flachette w/ weapon spec

[potent lichen]

I'm pretty sure Carpets is right and serrated only works on melee

[austere mica]

Doubling down to much on ranged crits with a weapon spec build isn’t real

Manstopper Flechette

Ball

[ancient path]

ya thats my shotgun blessings

very good

[austere mica]

You only need 3 kills to confirm crits

[arctic rampart]

don't you get annoyed with shotguns? there's just better options

[ancient path]

sawed off or normal shotguns?

normal shotguns feel kinda weak

[arctic rampart]

yes

[ancient path]

naw i fuckin love the sawed off lol

[potent lichen]

Yeah just checked, serrated is only melee, it's a worthless point

[austere mica]

It enables 100% uptime on Mercy Killer

[ancient path]

ya thats why i run it

[austere mica]

It’s literally it’s only usecase

[ancient path]

a lot of shit goes on in auric damnation / maelstorm so i want at least 1 more thing i dont have to think about w/ mental stack

[faint beacon]

It’s good with only certain taxing builds

Uncanny makes the bleed ramp up

So if you have a knife with Uncanny + Mercy killer it’s pretty strong

[potent lichen]

Oh

[austere mica]

It’s basically just infinite uptime precognition

But I think because precog is a finesse bonus it affects crits

[faint beacon]

That or be me who purposely Gimps myself by running Uncanny Precog DS with Serrated lmao

[austere mica]

So it’s ease versus potential

[potent lichen]

I gotta say, I clutched a round with revolver and Hsword last night and that felt pretty great

I love that thing's moveset, just wish it had a wide push attack

Instead of the stab

[tall torrent]

Nah
Piety is only really better for a few crit-orientated weapons, but it has worse talent tax

[tall torrent]

Consider bringing an anti-Armor melee weapon

[potent lichen]

Yeah but Hsword so good 🥺

I feel like the grim reaper with that thing

[faint beacon]

Run Bolter Heavy Sword then

That shit is disgusting

As a combo

[potent lichen]

Bolter's equip speed is really slow though, hence why I was drawn to bistol initially

I want to be able to draw, blast a specialist, then go back to melee

[faint beacon]

One Motion:

Use that talent helps drastically

[drowsy aspen]

Bolter Hsword is so fucking good

I run that on my stealth zealot

[ancient path]

this is what i rock.

and with smokes i can kinda still deal with some/most of crushers if we get a crusher wave

even funnier if my sawed off knocks them back

[balmy flume]

Normally am a fan of bolt pistol but
The double barrel is growing on me

[orchid hemlock]

Bolt pistol?

More like

Worse Revolver

AMIRITE?!?! 😭

[orchid hemlock]

OK hang on let me have a staring contest with a crusher for 3 seconds

👀

[austere mica]

Yeah its basically a meme build

But it can do that

[tall torrent]

What if Killzone wasn’t active

[austere mica]

Works

Tested

Just had some MF stacks from being in the chest I didn't want to waste

[tawny badger]

fuuuuuck

I wanna keep no man left behind but precision strikes

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-story-mode-story-mode-mcsm-choice-minecraft-story-mode-choice-gif-18173594355731282859

[final charm]

Precision strikes all the way, killing the enemy before they kill your teammates

[tall torrent]

why NMLB

[tawny badger]

the movement speed buff hits different

like crack in a low income neighborhood

[final charm]

How long does the duration last?

[tawny badger]

as long as you're approaching a downed player

[tall torrent]

Only active when someone is down

[final charm]

eh

[tawny badger]

dawg this is pubs that's like 50% of the time

[tall torrent]

Nah, not worth

[final charm]

Ig but isn’t it weird? like you have to be looking directly at them to get the buff

[tawny badger]

I think so

[tall torrent]

No, as long as they’re within your FOV it works

But it’s not worth it

[final charm]

Man that is one stinky perk

Like good intention but bad execution

Hope they revisit it.

[blissful solstice]

Hey so I just started my veteran character and I was honestly curious if there are different ways of playing Veteran? From what I've seen from my teammates most of them boil down to "Shooty mcshooter guy" so I'm curious how different builds look and what they are centered around

[ancient path]

mostly voc and different types of shooty mcshooter guy

[final charm]

Veteran is kinda just shooty mc shooty guy but his melee options are pretty good

[ancient path]

but you can do melee vet because weapon specialist is really fun. but youre still pretty shooty guy

end of the day, youre still call of duty

[serene bough]

i like being shooty guy, but i like how the tree makes flexibility possible so you dont gotta be shooty guy

[final charm]

Being shoot guy is nice because none of my teammates worry about snipers :)

[ancient path]

mmhm.

you definitely feel not having a vet sometimes lol

[tall torrent]

Veteran is not the ranged class (psyker is)
Veteran is the melee/ranged hybrid class

[final charm]

I was honestly worried with how bland the veteran felt at first but the more I play, the class just assists heavily or downright carries in some runs. always a good time with some vets.

[serene bough]

vets arguably the most tanky w/ VoC and iron will

super easy to spam + all the benefits of gold THP

[short fern]

Lasgun builds allow you to stay ranged pretty much an entire run with minimal ammo pickups now

[tall torrent]

Yea, that’s as close as it gets to “ranged class”

[short fern]

If only bolter could do same. It looks so much cooler

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is better in most scenarios

[hollow ibex]

Best build variety of any class tbh

[short fern]

If you’re only targeting elites 100%

[hearty panther]

psyker imo takes the cake for variety

[short fern]

I felt like zealot really only has one viable build at a time. I’m enjoying veteran a lot more leveling proficiencies

[hearty panther]

wish people stopped thinking of veteran as a ranged class tbh, or any class really

[short fern]

It definitely has more ranged weapon talents

Ogryn and zealot are both better at melee

[tall torrent]

Nah

[hearty panther]

yea nah lmao

survivability maybe but only if we take VoC out of the equation

[tall torrent]

Veteran hits consistently harder than zealot in melee

[serene bough]

vet does it all

[tall torrent]

As for ogryn

Outside of pickaxes & shield

Not really comparable in terms of melee damage lol

[wild vortex]

Bad early-class design on Fatshark's part unfortunately

[short fern]

I think you’re underestimating zealot mobility which is what make it really shine as a melee

[wild vortex]

[tall torrent]

I think you’re missing crucial information to have a nuanced take that covers everything

[hearty panther]

vet was deffo only a ranged class at the start

[wild vortex]

Btw path I finally managed to get a good Bolter on Vet and I'm gonna try it with Marksman's Focus today (penance problems), is there any way to animation cancel the reload

[tall torrent]

Ask exploit

[hearty panther]

basically zero active/relevant bonuses outside of volleyfire and only for your guns

were far from those days tho

[wild vortex]

@hearty panther halp pls, how to not take 3 business days for Bolter reload

[tall torrent]

If you’re not severely autistic I don’t think you’re gonna utilize boltgun’s reload cancel tech much

[wild vortex]

Oh

[tall torrent]

Emphasis on “severely autistic”

[wild vortex]

So just live with it?

[tall torrent]

Because u need to sprint cancel 3 times per reload

[wild vortex]

[hearty panther]

https://youtu.be/KzdKB_8YFqU?si=jwH4oNjix9Lxs71c

[tall torrent]

[wild vortex]

Yeah I just live with it then

[hearty panther]

you dont gotta do it all

first and last are enough but you do cut it close, assuming zero other reload nodes

[tall torrent]

just take tac reload and call it a day

[wild vortex]

Basically the sprint cancel right after pulling out the cartridge

Ok I can do 1

[hard cave]

exe stance should get the auto reload back

[hearty panther]

no

[hard cave]

ogryn has it, why can't vet ;(

[hearty panther]

ogryn weps are only balanced against themselves

balancing around an auto-reload is impossible on multiclass weps

it was fun but wepspec has you covered

partially

[hard cave]

it would put it up to line with voc and bring it back from being power crept tho

[hearty panther]

voc just needs its fucken nerf lmao

[hard cave]

im really confused on the voc nerf and instead buffing exe stance lmao

[ripe totem]

exe stance needs toughness replenishment and toughness reduction while in the stance

[hard cave]

since you can have a 4 man vet squad with voc and still get steam rolled

[ripe totem]

the other two class abilities have this

[faint beacon]

Its cause VOC and Iron Will combo'd together

makes Vet tankier than Ogryn

[tall torrent]

Then that squad is not very good

[hard cave]

this is true

[hard cave]

what if,,, voc only gave a percentage amount of toughness regen, and the percentage increased based on how many allies are in coherency, and you only receive golden toughness based on left over toughness from, capping at 50,,,

[tall torrent]

No.

[faint beacon]

No

[hard cave]

[ripe totem]

give gold toughness to vet only and nobody else

[tall torrent]

No

[hard cave]

can you explain why this would be a bad idea

[tall torrent]

You nerfed veteran’s ability to clutch solo/duo, and made the ability reliant on teammates being near

There’s a huge problem with not very good players investing too much into “team support”

Coherency itself is not as important as a lot of people believe it to be

[hearty panther]

ah but see, my enfeeble grants my team and myself an additional 10% damage while i smite

truly i render the bestest of aid

[hard cave]

alright so what should be done to voc

or should iron will just be reworked/removed

[tall torrent]

Cap the max amount of overtoughness from VoC

If they’re to keep overtoughness

Cap it to like 10

[hard cave]

50 is abysmal

[tall torrent]

Make it so if you get hit by literally anything, that gold toughness status is gone until u gain toughness back

It needs to be more easily punished

That’s if gold toughness is here to stay

Alternatively, can be a massive TDR boost but remove the gold toughness aspect completely

Both work

I also think the duration needs to be lower, 15s is way too generous

At most 8~10s

Veteran’s CDR also needs a nerf

[torn gorge]

tbh they could just increase baseline cd on VoC

for what it gives

[hearty panther]

it used to be 45s ;_;

[tall torrent]

I think 40s cd is fair

Either nerf Tac awareness or increase CD

[tough flower]

Fantastic

If only plasma was fun

Now that killshot ready is done I don't know that I'll ever use it again

(Bolter was better at it anyway)

[remote sonnet]

I think plasma is fun if you switch weapons often for weapon specialist for example.

[tough flower]

I feel like the feedback isn't as good as bolter or bolt pistol

Even a helbore las or something

[tall torrent]

missing breakpoints (wrong perks)

[runic flower]

its crazy that vet gets a shout that gives max toughness + golden tough and staggers on a 30s cd
meanwhile ogryn has its shout on a 45s cd and its 25% damage buff is outperformed by focus target in terms of uptime
fatshark HATES ogryns

[somber onyx]

Finnally finished fffffucking psyker leveling so i can go back to vet achievements

Gun

[pseudo fiber]

It used to be 100 gold toughness too!

[hollow ibex]

Good times

[fading yarrow]

Wdym

[hollow ibex]

Means your gun won’t be able to one shot certain enemies

[tall torrent]

you're missing some crucial 1 hit kills

[queen fox]

why are 69 and 71 the magic numbers

[tall torrent]

68+ decimal in thermal resist gives 8 continuous shots from 0% heat instead of 7, so I recommend 69 thermal resist for safety sake
Charge rate affects left click’s pre-fire delay therefore firerate, so it’s not a dump stat and u want as high as possible (which there’s only room for 71~72)
Plasma actually needs very high damage & stopping power stats to hit breakpoints
Ammo roll too low = you don’t get 1/3 shot worth of ammo back from each survivalist proc

Overall:
69% thermal resist
71% charge rate
80% everything else

[queen fox]

makes sense

[fading yarrow]

I gathered that but which ones

[tall torrent]

what does ur plasma build look like

[fading yarrow]

I just copied Tanner Lindberg's since I don't normally play Plasma

[tall torrent]

.

[tall torrent]

ok first off, don't watch tanner

secondly, this build is missing breakpoints even if u had a perfectly optimised plasma

[tame lodge]

Is that uh
Back to the fight
I don't remember

[tall torrent]

29/30
1 point free

Use flak + unarmored on ur plasma

@fading yarrow

[fading yarrow]

I'll give it a whirl, but I'm a fan of Lindberg's build ngl

WS gets my neurons activating

[tall torrent]

If u want WS with plasma u pretty much have to give up survivalist

It’s up to u

Survivalist or WS, can’t have both

[fading yarrow]

Do you mind explaining how the concept works

[tall torrent]

Because plasma needs very specific +damage talents for 1 hit kill breakpoints

You need 2x 5% ranged damage nodes + precision strikes + either fire team (aura) or redirect fire (focus target keystone subnode)

[runic flower]

The build is perfectly fine, the user in question simply dislikes tanner

[hollow ibex]

Tanner

[pseudo fiber]

here we go

[hollow ibex]

The number one source of fake news in this channel

[tall torrent]

I just happen to dislike misinformation

[fading yarrow]

[tall torrent]

It’s not hard to test breakpoint, he just doesn’t know

[tame lodge]

The build had
Get Back In The Fight! and VoC

That's kinda of you know

[fading yarrow]

I appear to have dipped my toes into waters testy beyond my ken

I suppose it was inevitable in a build-based game

[runic flower]

pretty much
the only metric that matters is whether you're outscoreboarding noobs in quickplay

[fading yarrow]

Tfw Xboner

Tfw no scoreboard

[runic flower]

keep mental track
if the kill feed isnt just your name you're doing something wrong

[tall torrent]

Nah, it’s just a matter of understanding what talents a weapon actually needs

[runic flower]

^ incorrect
its about outscoring noobs

[tall torrent]

Plasma happens to need very specific talents (I’ve already sent above)

[tall torrent]

That’s genuinely easy lol

If u want to cheese scoreboard just speedrun crafting material pickup

If u want to max damage just speedrun ahead and inflate ur damage

[fading yarrow]

Speaking of which

Copied your build and redistributed the melee talents

[tall torrent]

Uh

What melee weapon are u using

Cuz that is not “copied my build” lol I can’t even tell what this is

29/30

[fading yarrow]

I just use a decent knife, and it's the same build; I just took off the Talents from Desperado and down and put them elsewhere since they were just melee focused Talents

[tall torrent]

Knife really wants a stamina regen delay reduction node

U don’t necessarily need superiority complex for plasma

Focused fire is bait, and you dropped redirect fire for some reason

[runic flower]

a minor correction here
the idea behind taking the melee talents, dipping into WS and taking always prepared is that you can switch to plasma, fire a couple of shots and switch back to melee for infinite uptime on the melee buff. what you posted is literally just another build tanner also posted lol

[tall torrent]

WS on plasma requires taking fire team for breakpoints, which he’s not taking

This already tells that he doesn’t understand plasma gun very well

[fading yarrow]

I dropped Redirect Fire for Focused Fire since I don't see how RF might beat out FF for single target boss damage, which is my usual priority

[tall torrent]

You take redirect fire because you want to 1hs gunners & flamers

Boss damage is generally not a plasma gun concern, you get ~22.5k unyielding damage from 8 headshots

There is a magdump set-up for plasma that gets ~39k unyielding damage from 11 headshots but it’s pretty much just dumping ammo for not much return in the end

[arctic rampart]

If you want to magdump bosses go boltgun?

probably also want exec stance then

[tall torrent]

Usually, yea

Plasma is generally not a boss dps gun

[arctic rampart]

even fast laspistol feels better at getting bosses than plasma. but plasma is well rounded its at least ok at everything

[tall torrent]

Nah, laspistol is much worse than plasma for boss

Only crits do anything notable

Crit is like 1.3k on headshot?

Still not great

[arctic rampart]

laspistol feels better though cause its so fast and you can just spam it consistently

[tall torrent]

If u have infernus it’s ok ig

But having to take infernus on laspistol is already not worth to me

[severe palm]

hey, i got a question for the veteran.

I wanted to switch my lines for cadian lines and so i remade my character to be from cadia as a loose cannon

however my voice of command still goes for " FOR TERRA !!" is that normal?

[arctic rampart]

yeah I did, and I'm specifically thinking of blue stim firing but it was on my zealot with fotf going lul

[tall torrent]

The “Cadian voiceline” is only for the cutthroat personality

[severe palm]

aww... i'll lose my KARKING lines?!

[tall torrent]

Yea, either or

Cutthroat does say “kark” sometimes, I think

[hollow ibex]

Cadian vet best vet

[tall torrent]

“What are you karking waiting for”

(This is only when they’re downed)

[hollow ibex]

You’ll all be dead in minutes without me!

[severe palm]

well thank you, that's an extreme dissapointment for me

[runic flower]

idk what breakpoints youre referring to
if you mean gunners you can one shot both dreg and scab just fine with WS without fireteam as long as you have your WS stacks and shoot at the flak parts

[tall torrent]

Yea, you end up relying on crits for 1 taps

Plasma usually benefits from consistent (non-crit) 1 hit kills

You can play plasma that way, it’s just not as consistent

[runic flower]

yeah thats one way to play it

[tall torrent]

You can cope for lack of consistency with crits & temporary damage buffs

But I think plasma is best with consistency

Revolver scales better with crits & temporary damage buffs, as an example (and is overall better than plasma lol)

[remote sonnet]

I don't really see the point of taking survivalist with plasma.

[tall torrent]

It’s more so a QoL thing

It also matters for CIVI maelstrom (where plasma is very good in)

In regular games plasma usually doesn’t run into ammo problems if ur looting properly

[remote sonnet]

Overall, since I love to use WS, I don't see myself out of ammo that often.

Unless there are some trash head hoarding ammo for no reason.

[tall torrent]

Usually gunluggers will take a lot of ammo

And most people don’t like Gunlugger teammates very much

[remote sonnet]

Even, the ammo regen from Survivalist is pitiful imo.

[runic flower]

it adds up quite a bit

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s quite substantial over the course of a game

Most builds don’t need this as there’s plenty of ammo on the map already

[runic flower]

specially on higher diffs where it procs constantly

[tall torrent]

Hypothetically in a 30 minute game, you’re fighting elites for a total of 2/3 of the game’s time

If survivalist was working full time during that 20 minutes, that’s 240% of your reserve ammo for every member on ur team

Which is like, 108 shots for plasma

You don’t need that most of the time because ammo is almost never a problem if ur looting properly

[remote sonnet]

Well, if we count each minute, you get max 12% of the ammo reseve. Which is just so so imo.

[tall torrent]

Yea, it’s “substantial over the course of a match”

One ammo tin is 15% of a player’s reserve ammo

That’s basically 1 free tin for everybody every 75s

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/parasyte-lock-in-locked-in-serious-meme-gif-5534810714910553671

Me when Blood and Cred comes on while I'm balls-deep in a horde

[thorn torrent]

Man, it's such a strange experience without music. I muted it earlier to hear a squad mate and it was like, 'Well I guess nothing is happening.." because I totally missed the audio cue of the music for when shit is going down

[placid portal]

Lol missing the hoarde scream

[thorn torrent]

I felt relaxed!

Also, I've noticed some sound effects appear to be tied into the music volume lol

Or behave that way randomly.

[placid portal]

Damn

[cedar grail]

Random rant. its so fun when you get thrown across the room by a mutie as a horde comes in, you get dropped by like 3 gunners and some ragers, when your squad eventually looses one of your teamates goes "You guys need to learn cohesion"

My brother in christ.

[queen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-bait-baiting-bass-fishing-gif-2140444873906627680

[jaunty temple]

https://youtu.be/zAvDuBTKfQw?si=OQi6RfjkMyI0CkcP bro what happend too yalls smoke

[thorn torrent]

Tell them they should have taken aura radius talents

[tame lodge]

Bro started by using a flamer as example of getting out of the smoke

[rancid egret]

Lol I feel your pain my brother.

[orchid hemlock]

Why does Tanner do everything in his power to NOT do a control test with anything?

this is the problem with not editing your videos and doing everything in one take

[wind grotto]

I do not like smokes but he sure doesn't actually prove anything in that post wrong other than the trapper part

[tame lodge]

Bro's not cooking

Lmao

[jaunty temple]

hey i dont use smoke in general so

[tame lodge]

So you shouldn't listen to Tanner

Bro really started by giving you a scenario where A FLAMER forces you out of the smoke

[fading yarrow]

I'm not sure what this means

[queen fox]

Fish is locked in

[fading yarrow]

Also the fish reminds me of the eldritch space creature from early Star Trek TNG

[fading yarrow]

Ahh

[earnest bone]

the 2nd after that are gunpsykers, tho sometimes those are WORSE than gunluggers

and only after that comes veterans/zealots

[somber onyx]

fianlly got the fucking no bullerts penance

[craggy ridge]

i've always wanted to know what the sauce for this is

[tall torrent]

Parasyte (anime), it’s really good

[broken spade]

good anime

[junior grail]

How about when someone confuses Parasyte anime with Parasite Kdrama?

[craggy ridge]

what's the difference between the two powerswords?

[dry cloak]

Attack pattern

[regal belfry]

i hope they shange the ripper mechanic of chain weapons that it does not burst at the end but do continous damage while you saw the enemy

[regal belfry]

thats why i preffer mk3

[dry cloak]

I prefer mk6

[severe palm]

i was thinking of using the horizontal spread of the zarona combat shotgun to shoot a bleeding clearing shot.

However it barely penetrates crowds do i need more cleave or something?

[dry cloak]

Manstopper

[severe palm]

i'll give it a shot, thank you

[dry cloak]

And weapon spec

[severe palm]

keystone?

[stoic thorn]

The rager conga line

I don't remember what ranged I was using between Infantry Lasgun and Bistol

Oh its the helbore

[austere mica]

I wouldn’t use weapons specialist with Zarona

[normal zinc]

How we feeling about the stripped down blessing? My current build runs stamina/sprint curio's and Duck and Dive (Dodging a ranged attack by sprinting, dodgin or sliding adds 30% stamina) means I can run in circles and never get tagged by gunners

[austere mica]

It’s not very good at quick shots with spread

[normal zinc]

Its a goofy meme but not sure how useful it is, especially since Im losing Dum Dum on my gun

[austere mica]

Manstopper Scattershot won’t bleed, but it will clear, and can do sustained fire

[severe palm]

i was simply asking what he meant by that, but i guess he meant keystone

[austere mica]

Yes

[severe palm]

what...? That's kinda dumb

well i guess i'll just use scattershot/deathspitter/firefrenzy then

[austere mica]

That also won’t cleave

Manstopper gives Infinte cleave on crits

[severe palm]

those aren't to cleave, it's to give a punch

[severe palm]

that's wild

[austere mica]

It’s 6 kills a shot versus 20 (for alt shot spam)

[severe palm]

in that case might as well use scattershot to rack up crit chance as much as possible then

considering it's on ennemy hit then it'll be a piece of cake

[stoic thorn]

Should I start grinding for the actual good plasma build

This grind ain't shit

[uncut pebble]

It's fine.

You can hipfire with it at point blank and obliterate something with hand cannon.

And it still serves its purpose as an excellent anti armor tool if you have to abandon your weapon spec loop.

[merry coral]

Yeah, I often use zarona with weapon specialist

pretty fun

always one bullet in the chamber

[frank ledge]

Yes but have you hear of stabby helbore

[merry coral]

Yeah

And I hate it

[austere mica]

The shotgun

Context

[uncut pebble]

Brain is fried, my mistake.

[regal belfry]

ragers hate it more

[merry coral]

oh you meant the zarona shotgun

whoops

yeah in that case, yeah

[grand perch]

I love how everyone's brain, mine included, immediately forgot theres a zarona other than the revolver

[merry coral]

haahhaa

[regal belfry]

we just don't talk about it

i know it and i find it really bad

i rather use the boltpistol

do you think we can get on day the chimera pistolsword

[merry coral]

yeah probably

(I have no idea of what this thing is)

oh that looks neat

I would love a melee weapon that can shoot things with the special attack

that you would have to charge by killing stuff for example and then BAM

[regal belfry]

or it has its own ammo

[merry coral]

Yeah but I'm pretty sure it's not possible rn in the game

[dry cloak]

Grenade gauntlet

[regal belfry]

should i remind you of throwing daggers

[merry coral]

it's not a melee weapon tho

[dry cloak]

It is

[merry coral]

I mean the throwing daggers

[dry cloak]

Fair

[regal belfry]

but similar ammo mechanic

[merry coral]

It's more akin to grenades tho

I mean, game code wise

because yeah ofc giving that kind of melee weapon it's own ammo pool is a good idea, but I"m pretty sure it's not implemented in the code, and knowing FS, could break stuff easily

[regal belfry]

or do you want something akin rapier pistol from vermintide

[round geyser]

am i the only one who wishes the devs would just give us the would just give us an underbarrel nade launcher already?

Auxiliary Grenade Launcher

[merry coral]

I actually didn't play vermintide

[round geyser]

and if anyone tells me that underbarrel nade launchers dont exist in 40K try again

[regal belfry]

you only get it on bolter

[dry cloak]

They exist

[merry coral]

I would also like a plasma pistol now that I'm thiking about it

[round geyser]

let me correct you there

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Grenade_Launcher

[regal belfry]

i ment is at a joke cause spacemarine 2 did it first on bolt-rifle

[merry coral]

No fun allowed

Hey, that's neat https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Plasma_Blaster

[dry cloak]

That looks like a plasma pistol kicked in the teeth

[merry coral]

plafma piftol

[dry cloak]

Still i want mingun for ogryn

Vut i know it wont happen

[round geyser]

dont we already have that for the big fellas?

[dry cloak]

We have stubbers

We have to m2 machineguns strapped toghether

[merry coral]

yeah that's not really it

an actual minigun tho, yeah give me

[dry cloak]

It is on the concept art

Give it like 50 damage 2000 rounds and like 1200 rpm

And abysmal accuracy at longer ranged

[merry coral]

And it would cost four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon for twelve seconds

[tall torrent]

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-suffer-gif-23519953

good job tho

also i expect some comments like
SO WHAT DO I PUT ON MUH PLAZMUH TO WIN EZ

[faint beacon]

That when we pelt them with bricks

[grand perch]

I recommend you put butter and bacon on plasma for some crispy breakfast for the emperor's champion rejects

[candid lance]

Is there a veteran chest peice that has the bullets on the shoulders and have the contemp and skirt on it together? Because that would be cool

[pseudo fiber]

No
But with the power of the for the drip mod you can just do that

[candid lance]

I wish I had pc😞

[candid lance]

Also is the chest peice in the second picture an item shop thing?

[merry coral]

I should try the drip mod

[dry cloak]

No

[merry coral]

IIRC it's from a penance

[pseudo fiber]

Restoring toughness using shout iirc

[merry coral]

ah, yeah

Stand up and Fight! - Restore 7500 Toughness to yourself using Voice of Command

is it still 7500 ? I remember being 5000

[candid lance]

Ah okay

[round geyser]

Oh sweet emperor the veteran has a total of 55% movement speed boost

That’s if you add it all up

[stoic thorn]

Yknow the Leman Russ Punisher?

[stoic thorn]

What's the pants on the 2nd pic

[loud belfry]

considering they didn't know whether it's a penance cosmetic or not i have my doubts they know that

[candid lance]

I don’t know

[stoic thorn]

Wish we see more Leman Russ variants popping up in the future

Why can't we get the Ogryns to rob the abandoned Leman Russ Demolishers of their meltas?

Hell those are multi-meltas

Wed be winning the monstrosity war with that

Oh wait it's the ogryns who are holding it

[merry coral]

pretty sure it's from the in game money shop

[stoic thorn]

Who knows

Maybe brunt is collecting the Multi Melta pile

[merry coral]

or at least there's a variant for it

[round geyser]

Brunt is missing

[stoic thorn]

Yeah he's missing

I know

He's out in tertium robbing all the multi meltas

He'll be back with a big enough pile for all the ogryns to try to god roll it

[round geyser]

love the enthusiasm engi but be real here

[stoic thorn]

1984

I'd wish they added more Leman Russ variants and voicelines of rejects seeing them

I want to see the Veteran recall his time in the Guard and seeing these metal behemoths for the first time

Or mention the Baneblade

And that one Ogryn voice pack that has him really liking tanks

[merry coral]

I need that chest

[stoic thorn]

Ending of Darktide will be a 500 player mission where we all charge into wolfers hq with the Moebian 21st and 53rd

Or 50 depending on whether if the servers blow up slow enough

[merry coral]

this one too

FS please

[stoic thorn]

I want my kasrkin set man

If I can't get my kasrkin set I'll settle for the scion helmet

[merry coral]

I'm a sucker for a good jacket

[stoic thorn]

But both aren't in the fucking storw

Shitty ahh FOMO

[merry coral]

ikr

[stoic thorn]

Do you want my MONEY??? THEN GIVE ME THE SHIT TO BUY

[merry coral]

nah, here's some ugly weapon skins

enjoy it for 2 weeks !

[stoic thorn]

Then the shit I want comes in a year

And is at a higher price that I cannot buy it with 2.5k aquilas from the DLC

I mean tbf you're not really giving them your money when you buy the cosmetics

FS profits when you buy the aquilas for the cosmetics while you wait for the cosmetics to come back

[round geyser]

What’s this whole 7500 with voice?

[loud belfry]

they need to make cosmetics with special execution effects. or at least cosmetics that glow

[round geyser]

That the penance?

[merry coral]

yeah

[round geyser]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but this isn’t destiny 2

[loud belfry]

ive been wrong this whole time......

[merry coral]

whoops

[round geyser]

If you want a glowing weapon use the plasma gun

[dry cloak]

D2 was better in the old times

[merry coral]

D2 forsaken era

[dry cloak]

Before it was free

[round geyser]

Eh I’m more of a D1 fan personally

[loud belfry]

i am not an expert on warhammer lore but im sure they can jam some glowing or other effects into the game

[dry cloak]

When it had actual campaing

[dry cloak]

Never got chance to play it

[merry coral]

I remember playing D1 on Ps3

[round geyser]

I miss bladedancer and when only hunters could go invis

[merry coral]

It wasn't ... ugh.... pretty

[dry cloak]

Throw hammer titan

[round geyser]

Now everyone and his fucking mother on destiny 2 can go invis

[dry cloak]

It was glorious

I stopped playing d2 when they stole my progress

[merry coral]

that hurts

[dry cloak]

Making 750 power the base

[round geyser]

I stopped playing D2 when they killed off Cayde

[dry cloak]

Forsaken was the end of the best era of d2

It was sad

Then was what? Black armory

[round geyser]

Yep

[regal belfry]

i stopped d2 after i done osiris dlc the first dlc

[dry cloak]

Ace of spades revolver that was the weapon

[round geyser]

Pretty sure bungo went back to PlayStation

[dry cloak]

And best burst rifles i ever used

[merry coral]

last year yeah

nowadays bungie is just a shade of what it was before

it pains me so much

tbh D2 was a big part of my life when everything was shitty personnaly

oh well

[dry cloak]

D2 was also the game that i could start playing in the morning and stop only when someone came to me and asked me directly

[hallow rover]

I see this is the Destiny themed channel

[merry coral]

check pined comment for more D2 builds

[thorn torrent]

wdym

So much glow.

[merry coral]

Ew

[wooden sandal]

Whats the worst stat for the plasma gun?

[merry coral]

Damage>Stopping power> Ammo>Thermal resistance>Charge rate

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S6fRBvHazuv9qM-jOTU4lXZCxcarcoGWfV_vmSOfK0I/edit?usp=sharing
Pinned guide

[wooden sandal]

Thx

[round geyser]

Ugly

Yikes

[thorn torrent]

It's a rough life in 40k

[pseudo fiber]

That's the wrong guide you want to see Hammer of the emperor

[round geyser]

This might sound weird but I don’t even use a keystone

[merry coral]

keystoneless build is very much a thing for vet

[tame lodge]

"key"stone? More like suggestion

[frank ledge]

Keystone deniers are a cult born from the vet rework

They still exist to this day, blind to the greatness of reloading by swapping weapons

[dreamy spade]

Vet keystones aren't bad at all

Just a lot of must-take talents

[blissful solstice]

Yo any of you guys have any nice veteran builds? Don't really know where I should go in the skill tree

[grand perch]

What's your poison, snake?

[ancient path]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/fAQ4XPkDN0

Reddit moment or agreeable stance, Vet channel?

[hard cave]

no smokes suck

[elder fiber]

lol

[hard cave]

they alter the ai of enemies but don't really do a good job at it

[grand perch]

I saw that, assumed someone inhaled Tanner takes, and skipped it

[tame lodge]

Stay inside the smoke

[elder fiber]

They have a really funny/strong niche and most of the times they aren't that helpful/a good team doesn't need them

[hard cave]

true

also wish the smoke with pit fires out

to lean more into that niche support gernade

[stoic thorn]

Who's this tanner guy

[hard cave]

tanner is a darktide youtubwr

[tame lodge]

Often wrong

[tough tiger]

ALL HAIL TANNER

[hard cave]

Only two vids I've seen are the duelist sword blessing and smoke gernade

both seem to have convincing demonstrations in the vids

[tame lodge]

Ah yes

Staying outside of the smoke

Proves that you need to stay inside the smoke

[stoic thorn]

Wait

Hear me out

If you throw the smoke onto enemies it'll bamboozle them

[ancient path]

i like smoke because the irish girl voice has funny lines for it.

[stoic thorn]

Because noone fucking runs smoke and the enemies won't know how to deal with it

[tame lodge]

Gave a scenario where a FLAMER would force you out of smoke then allowing dogs to pounce you

A FLAMER

[ancient path]

Though my favorite is probably krak grenade.

"Sticky surprise, coming right up! .. oh wait that sounds awful."

[hard cave]

Their ai just bugs and they eventually run out of it or ignore it and start shooting

[regal belfry]

cutthroat

[tame lodge]

Yes they will move out of the smoke

[ancient path]

C-thingy thingy .... Smoke!!!

[hard cave]

The primary scenario i saw was flamers still targeting you in smoke or ranged ai bugging out in smoke and still targeting players

[regal belfry]

only those who have not done thr penance yet and want it

[dry niche]

Is competitive urge consistent enough to be worth the point

[hard cave]

which does at least show the problems with smoke

[stoic thorn]

I mean like

Competitive urge is a 2.5% chance when someone else kills an enemy

[tame lodge]

Flamers can't force you out of smoke

[stoic thorn]

But boy there's a lot of enemies

[tame lodge]

They will have to get closer if you're inside the smoke

But guess what

Stay inside the smoke

[stoic thorn]

The flamers are like pyro tf2

They don't need to see you they just need to hit you in the smoke

[hard cave]

Thought they had knock back

like on direct sustained hit

[ancient path]

The thing about smoke as Ive been running it is that its a grenade you dont really see the benefit until you stand there to notice it. I did like tossing smoke ontop of my gunlugger ogryn while he dealt with gunners though.

[tame lodge]

They won't fire at you

If you're concealed

[stoic thorn]

Smoke and allies get the highlighted exe stance

The other point on the exe stance talent

[ancient path]

ya. i was playing stealth at the time tho. So my ogryn was just laying into them while i snuck around

That is a neat combo but encouraging enemies to come smack me while playing executioner 😩

[grand perch]

That's loose cannon though

[regal belfry]

huh

[grand perch]

No

And with 2 great talents at the same spot, it's never worth using

[ancient path]

ragna the bloodedge would never lie to me

right, ragna?

... right?

[regal belfry]

not on purpose i could have done a mistake

[grand perch]

[blissful solstice]

Shit mb for not responding, I made my veteran character yesterday and haven't even played a single mission with him yet. I will prolly go for the plasma gun tbh as it looks fun ASF to play with

But ig I just wanna be able to dish out a shit ton of damage to the bigger and bulkier enemies while still being able to rely a bit on melee against hordes?

[merry coral]

and probably a sociopath

or at least lacking some very importotant social skills

[grand perch]

He just got the 4chan treatment

[rancid egret]

Veteran is my main class.

[loud belfry]

dang tanner is a fleshed out evil character out here

[rancid egret]

Heavy las recon rifle, good yes?

[grand perch]

Play whatever you wanna try and pick talents that look good until level 30 I'd say. Plasma doesn't need a specific build, arguably not even in auric

[rancid egret]

I need the game already so I can see everything for myself tbh.

Right now I'm currently leaning on these weapons.

Bolter
Bolter pistol
Las pistol
Heaven recon las rifle
Plasma gun

There are like three melee weapons that currently interest me.

The classic combat knife, chainsword, and power sword. I know dueling sword is meta, but I wanna avoid using that one.

[verbal burrow]

MFW they obtained a Long Las before we did

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-14123584784424978842

[rancid egret]

Any recommendations? Are the Catachan sly marbo melee weapons good?

That cat gif flash banged me.. too bright.

[placid portal]

thought he uses a modified catachan devil claw

[rancid egret]

I guess it'll be added as dlc later on or something.

[placid portal]

mk7 and mk1 got the best parry apparently because parry is based on Light 3

[rancid egret]

Have no idea, just enjoyed the memes. Lol

[placid portal]

lol

Autopistol + Devil Claw is the true Sly Marbo Loadout

[grand perch]

what really? i never noticed or heard about that. where'd you get the info?

[rancid egret]

I'll write those down as viable options then. Thank you for you feedback.

I know there are 5 loadout slots, so I'll use those as the last two melee weapons and see from what five range weapons I wanna use are best paired with.

[placid portal]

was wondering about that after watching things about Devil claw parry from Telopot

[rancid egret]

I shall have that as a loadout then.

[verbal burrow]

Sorry bro, didn't expect it would grace your eyes like Discord Light Mode

Plasma Pistol should be added next tbh

[placid portal]

would be cool

[rancid egret]

Lol yeah it's all good, it's early in the morning for me over here. I just woke up recently.

[placid portal]

But I want more Ogryn Guns

[grand perch]

i dont know enough about telopot to know if thats true, but mk 1 devil claw is trash anyway. go for mk IV or VII

[placid portal]

Give use the heavy Bolter/Autocannon for da big uns

[placid portal]

True Mk1 is kinda irredeemable due to lack of strikedown

but sure as hell does look fancy

[rancid egret]

takes notes

[placid portal]

Mk4 is the Cheese Hole sword that I love

[grand perch]

its my preferred one as well

[placid portal]

Best Hoarde Slash Combo, really something

[grand perch]

be sure to bring something to deal with armour cause flak and carapace ADM are terrible to abyssmal

[placid portal]

Parry + crits

Pretty sure Parry got insane finesse

[grand perch]

parrying crushers is risky business though, i prefer to avoid it when theres more than 2

final tip would be to keep your crosshair over your intended targets head when parrying, since your parry hits where you aim

[quaint veldt]

Better to kill crusher

Before he has a chance to swing

[blazing barn]

what's the dump stat on plasma gun?

[merry coral]

better to kill cru-oh ffs there's 3 that just spawned behind me without a sound

[quaint veldt]

With vet you can easily dodge them and just use some solid weapon

[quaint veldt]

Charge rate

[merry coral]

yeah, but, can't dodge what we can't see

or hear

[quaint veldt]

turn around when you walk

[merry coral]

for that matter

[quaint veldt]

from time to time

[blazing barn]

is combat shotgun any good?

[merry coral]

that's not the issue tho

anyway

[placid portal]

not bad, agripinaa is super strong among em

if you wanna snipe*

[blazing barn]

you mean the special?

[tame lodge]

Mid as mid can be
You won't be surprised but won't be disappointed either

[hollow ibex]

No they’re just for meme builds atm

Agri is the best but still not great

[merry coral]

It pains me to no end that the shotties are mid at best

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[blazing barn]

what's the point of the helbore lasgun when it's just utter trash?

[tame lodge]

Helbores hit hard and have neutral to positive ammo economy

[merry coral]

If you like clicking heads that's the gun to use

[blazing barn]

does anyone actually use it though?

[merry coral]

I see it, from times to times

rarely tho but, yeah

[frank ledge]

don't forget about helbores melee

[grand perch]

we really need a bot for optimal plasma gun stat statements

[smoky meteor]

whats the advantage of using bolt pistol instead of the normal bolter

[merry coral]

ease of use

[grand perch]

lethal proximity shenanigans

[merry coral]

speed

[tame lodge]

I do
You see, Helbores are an acquired taste
They are amazing but not for everyone

[merry coral]

Helbore is clearly niche

[short fern]

I enjoyed the recon even before buff because holding on the trigger is nice

[merry coral]

I'm not into it but I can understand the appeal

[grand perch]

nah helbores are actually good, theyre only niche in the sense theyre hard to use

[merry coral]

They could go with some animation tweakings imo

Tho I suppose exec stance negates that aspect

[grand perch]

they certainly could

[dry niche]

Draw speed

[hearty panther]

reload speed
mobility

[remote sonnet]

Quicker aiming speed if for hit and run play style.

[hearty panther]

i miss the lit candle on that one skin

obstructive? yes
kino? fuck yea

[merry coral]

just shoot point blank

[hasty pasture]

I'm having fun with double barrel and Shovel for my WW1 trench raider

[grand perch]

just imagine shooting a small grenade at point blank irl

[hasty pasture]

Whoever said shotguns were mid

[grand perch]

the emperor protects

[hasty pasture]

They are but it's also satisfying to take out people at the knees

[merry coral]

I mean

the double barrel is better than the combat shotties

[hasty pasture]

I have fun with it

[remote sonnet]

Helbore is more WW1 than double barrel

[hasty pasture]

I mean double barrels were used

And pump actions

[remote sonnet]

And bayonet charging

[hasty pasture]

Double barrel is just satisfying too

Knee capping chaos

[remote sonnet]

Maul was also used during WW1 as standard issue, unlike the DB shotgun.

But yes, it is fun to use.

I think the WS reload upgrade allows you to reload by getting 1 melee kill.

[dusk sand]

what are the best curio perks?

[merry coral]

yup

that's why the weapon is so much fun on vet

less so on zealot

It reloads one bullet at a time tho

so a complete reload should go melee kill -> quick swap -> Melee kill -> swap

[remote sonnet]

Apparently, 2 shots of single barrel deals more damage than double shot.

[merry coral]

hmmm it souldn't

[remote sonnet]

DB shotgun + Chain sword fighting undead, just like Evil Dead.

Hail to the king, baby.

[verbal burrow]

I find this is pretty applicable to most scenarios

If you don't care about Corruption Resistance you could also consider Cooldown Reduction

But toughnessmaxxing and having 15% extra health never hurt anyone

[uncut pebble]

Don't do either of those.

[verbal burrow]

In Vermintide 2 corruption resistance was pretty much mandatory because of books, but in this game they separated Corruption Resistance from Grimoire Resistance

[uncut pebble]

Gunner/sniper resistance is far better and will serve you more.

[uncut pebble]

That's incorrect.

Corruption resistance works on grimoires.

Grimoire resistance is just a higher degree and more specialized.

Source: I run both on every one of my zealout builds.

[verbal burrow]

So Corruption Resistance and Corruption Resistance (Grimoires) stacks?

Not a sacrifice I would be willing to make

[uncut pebble]

Yes, they stack.

[verbal burrow]

Additionally, I can already tank a sniper shot without taking health damage with the current thing

[uncut pebble]

Iron will moment.

[verbal burrow]

Iron Will, and Close Order Drill, and a lot of toughness damage resistance, and a lot of toughness

[hearty panther]

They stack but they also don't quite stack.

[verbal burrow]

I also send toughness to my teammates, because they are important to me

[merry coral]

the 12 snipers looking at me rn be like

[hearty panther]

Regular Cor Resist doesn't affect the flat corruption.

[uncut pebble]

Yes, corruption resistance is far more inefficient at dealing with grims.

[verbal burrow]

Have you considered shooting the buggers?

[merry coral]

oh, duh

[hearty panther]

Better for everything else which is a lot

[verbal burrow]

I mean, personally I don't really bothner picking up grims anymore, so having corruption resistance is solely for resisting corruption

[merry coral]

solid statement

[slow spade]

The Emperor protects so you're fine c:

[remote sonnet]

If the goal is to survival Auric damnation, then there is really no point picking up grim or even script in such run.

[merry coral]

I mean, scripts are fine

[remote sonnet]

It takes up slot for hp and crate.

[merry coral]

but yeah, if I want to frm grim I'm not doing auric

[queen fox]

Auric mael never ever has books anyways

[merry coral]

Yeah but just drop them then

[slow spade]

just immediately drop them

[merry coral]

bye bye book

[slow spade]

I wish I could read

[merry coral]

books are cringe

[remote sonnet]

This is vet chat, not ogryn.

[slow spade]

The Imperial Faith is cringe?

[merry coral]

Do you really think my vet can read ?

[remote sonnet]

(Don't tell the ogryns please, I will to live)

[merry coral]

well she can't.

[slow spade]

they still haven't learned what a flashlight is yet

you're good

[severe gale]

LOL

[tame lodge]

SM3 but Titus becomes a saint

[slow spade]

I like the idea of Titus just having a permanent hater

Titus be personally awarded by Big E himself and still be "under suspicion"

[ancient path]

ariane signalis.

[queen fox]

real

[queen fox]

i feel like the permanent hater should be an iron hand

or black templar

where can i see hit mass values for ranged weapons? i want to know which IAG is best for horde clear

[uncut pebble]

It's agri.

Dw about hit mass, agri cleaves the most.

[rancid egret]

Lol perfection

[tame lodge]

Pinned Guide probably has the cleave values

[hollow ibex]

You don’t use them for horde clear

Well you could it’s just a waste of ammo

[slow spade]

Vet guide has cleaves

see pinned

keep in mind, enemies have different mass which need different cleave

also the target needs to die for cleave to matter

[queen fox]

no, higher cleave also means you stagger more than 1 opponent which can be impactful imo

[slow spade]

ah yeah Pinning Fire

was thinking for autoguns

though for the IAGs, the stagger part doesn't really matter in practice

[queen fox]

thats tru tbh

i feel like the reason for using an iag over a lasgun/bolter/plasma is because you want a weapon that can hit snipers and bombers at long range but still has full auto to deal with closeup groups of enemies

so the group clear aspect is important

[hollow ibex]

Plasma can deal with groups up close, assuming you’re talking about groups of elites

IAG also has the downside of relatively low uptime

[ancient path]

lmfaoooo

[terse idol]

I'm like the other side, IAG you pull out for mid to short range engagements where even a ciag will struggle to hit snipers
Where an ilas is for the long-mid range but does struggle against close range targets and groups that clump up hard enough that you cannot hit priority targets

[merry coral]

honey, where is my auric maelstrom

[idle swallow]

auric maelstrom machine broke

[merry coral]

[merry coral]

uh

but why

I-E-F hmm

not too hard

[idle swallow]

im only allowed to do VEG maelstroms otherwise my vegemite license will be revoked

[merry coral]

Do I dare tho

[ancient path]

do it

[merry coral]

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-arnold-do-it-do-it-now-hurry-gif-14359781835514560916

[merry coral]

[idle swallow]

literally im on right now lets do this shit

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/a-christmas-story-triple-dog-dare-dare-provoke-taunt-gif-3577156

[merry coral]

but I'm scaaaared

I need to warmup first

[idle swallow]

ping me when you're ready if you want backup

[tall torrent]

first section of guide complete

[slow spade]

holy shit you're actually doing it

I hope the mental anguish you're probably going through dealing with it isn't too bad 🙏

[tall torrent]

it's alr

[grand perch]

not today dog

[slow spade]

oh that's good to hear c:

it wouldn't let me attach my images when I tried to make a guide once ;c

[orchid hemlock]

When steam doesn't have pdf integration 😔

[faint beacon]

Im going to watch the comments of the guide fill with like “Ermm this isn’t right cause straight up lie here”

Lmao

[orchid hemlock]

Tanner up voted saying: "trash guide, come join my discord if you want to be with REAL gamers"

[grand perch]

too real

[tall torrent]

I think this format is ok

[grand perch]

yeah

[orchid hemlock]

will upvote the guide .00000000002 miliseconds after it drops 🫡

[tall torrent]

wait 6 months

[orchid hemlock]

ill wait as long as needed

🫡

[tall torrent]

word version still better tbh

[orchid hemlock]

I know but nobody will read it

here people will

[merry coral]

now, that felt personnal from the Director

[tall torrent]

yea, I might discontinue the word version after this one is done

too lazy to maintain 2 guides

[earnest bone]

w8

90%?

https://tenor.com/view/meganleigh-megan-leigh-let-me-think-let-me-think-about-it-gif-2148364814392141675

[tall torrent]

it's x90%

TDR is generally multiplicative

so 3 stacks of ET is actually x0.729 which is ~27% less dmg

[earnest bone]

k

[grand perch]

if only longshot wasnt so dogshit i might actually choose that left part of the tree

[earnest bone]

it got much worse after close range change

[slow spade]

yeah its a shame because exhil takedown is actually pretty good

[earnest bone]

from 8 to 12.5

probably the only one that got hit pretty hard

while im yoloing anoint in blood (4.5m range buff is no joke) on zealot

[merry coral]

was ist das

... isn't it the same as On overwatch ?

oh, overwatch is Melee

well, neat

[slow spade]

yeah its the "harder overwatch" you could say

as iirc that one is straight up no hp lost

[merry coral]

yeah

ok, gacha time with melk

give me that +3 stam

[hollow ibex]

Moving over to steam?

[tall torrent]

maybe

[sacred steeple]

What's a good way to deal with ragers with combat blade?

those are the only boys i have a tough time with

[merry coral]

spam push attack

and dance around them

[sacred steeple]

Really? It feels like it doesn't stagger them properly

maybe im doing it wrong

im using the MK3

[merry coral]

nah but it's high damage anyway

[sacred steeple]

Fair

[merry coral]

or just, pick your gun

when possible

[sacred steeple]

yeah, gotcha

[merry coral]

Fuck you melk.

[cedar pecan]

any other way to cheese this besides crouching all the time

[merry coral]

Oh.

[dry niche]

Spray into hoards at head level with shredder pistol