veteran-class

[round geyser]

Ya joking me

[pseudo fiber]

You should lock damnation and Heresy at that point

Like just don't let them play

[slow spade]

that's why Leave No One Behind is a S-tier perk because pugs give +20% speed permanently uwu

[round geyser]

[tall torrent]

Congratulations u turned out a prophet

[round geyser]

Huh what you mean? lol

[tall torrent]

"I got a bad feeling"

discord goes down within 20 minutes

[slow spade]

clearly an act of the Traitor

[pseudo fiber]

I play a game with someone who goes down 25 times.

[slow spade]

brb dming Fatshark to revoke their gamekey

[pseudo fiber]

I'm sorry I'm so fucking pissed at that

[slow spade]

optimal perk for the free +20% speed next time UwU

[pseudo fiber]

Discord might fall back over again

[round geyser]

I mean it’s a good perk don’t diss it

[pseudo fiber]

How does it know you're moving towards them?

[tall torrent]

[pseudo fiber]

That's really interesting

[slow spade]

the Warp tells them

[grand perch]

is that hitman downloading?

[round geyser]

keep them in your LOS

[slow spade]

nice job for dealing with the shitty Steam formatting c:

[grand perch]

man of culture

[tall torrent]

Yea

WoA

[round geyser]

thats how it procs

[tall torrent]

it is awful

[pseudo fiber]

Oh that'll be very convenient!

[round geyser]

if you keep the downed target in your LOS it will proc

[tall torrent]

I make 1 change, it takes 20 minutes to process then I can make another change

genuinely dogshit system

[slow spade]

lol yeah I figured that was way you made it on Word instead

but I see you're on the Steam CBT guide too

[tall torrent]

and because of how my guide is structured, it's prob gonna have >100 indexes to individually edit

[grand perch]

you could make changes elsewhere and just copypaste screenshots

[pseudo fiber]

This is why strawhat doesn't put patch notes on steam lmfao (bless her)

[slow spade]

watch Steam not save the images properly lmao

[round geyser]

hammer of the emperor? who that good looking bastard?

[slow spade]

fucked my screenshots when I tried it

[round geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-ultra-instinct-goku-anime-jjba-jojo-bizzare-adventure-gif-26619744

[tall torrent]

fml

[earnest bone]

i did a pretty big guide on steam once (around 2 years ago)

enjoy the shitty formatting and constant errors

[tall torrent]

The errors are the worst part by far

[grand perch]

sounds like youre better of just putting a link in there and nothing else

[tall torrent]

Like, what the fuck is failure code 15

[earnest bone]

basically there's a COOLDOWN

[tall torrent]

Great

[earnest bone]

yeah this is extremely stupid

[hollow ibex]

Time to take cd reduction

[tall torrent]

Maybe valve should spend their money on improving this aspect of steam

[earnest bone]

after half life 3 release

[tall torrent]

yea no I give up

[round geyser]

the drip spec ops veteran

[wild vortex]

Is that hyperbole or actual

Because if not hyperbole, that should be some kind of world record

The worst I ever saw was I think 8 or 9 times down

[round geyser]

must have being a marty zealot

[wild vortex]

??? Do you know how HARD it is to actually go down on Martyr Zealot

The DR and damage increase per missing wound is actually insane

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1307086473140506674/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.15_-_15.46.15.01.mp4?ex=673906a3&is=6737b523&hm=2d29c25190306c37b25ac4056ac5f533ccb922c39d79cb38817b2c063f8e1bd7&

[round geyser]

i dont know

not sure why but i'm starting to enjoy having an extra wound

[wild vortex]

How

[tall torrent]

u wanna know the secret?

[wild vortex]

Yes

[tall torrent]

grievous wounds

[wild vortex]

I love Crusher I wanna do that too

[tall torrent]

the most underrated talent on zealot tree

@wild vortex

[wild vortex]

So that + Scrusher?

Interesting

[tall torrent]

grievous wounds allows u to stagger crusher with PA + L which allows skullcrusher to actually deal dmg on the next PA

[wild vortex]

I really should set up a non Martyrdom build with the Crusher

[tall torrent]

also crusher is a pretty PA heavy weapon, desperation is quite good

[round geyser]

would it hurt to have 10% movement speed on close and kill aura?

[tall torrent]

yea, 10% would be insanely high

[tall torrent]

martyrdom is not worthy it

[wild vortex]

I really enjoy Martyrdom, it allows me to play kinda brain off full support

[tall torrent]

IJ is just better unfortunately

[wild vortex]

Blazing Piety Taxe is for when I wanna go sweaty

[round geyser]

we dont have many movement speed nodes

which would be nice

[shadow dagger]

oh the event modifier rotates missions every 15m

[wild vortex]

Yeah I know, I will set up an IJ tree again now that I've gotten a bit better at Zealot

[wild vortex]

Glad I'm done with that shit, BONs can fuck right off

[tall torrent]

desperation + sustained assault + 2x 5% melee dmg nodes = 50% more melee dmg

[shadow dagger]

and i still managed to get power matrix + gas twice in a row

[tall torrent]

plus IJ is +15%

that's +65% melee dmg

+25~45% melee attack speed

[shadow dagger]

iunno whats different but i dont feel that tired of this modifier

the vomit puddles dont even bother me that much in hindsight

[tall torrent]

and grievous wounds allows u to stagger every non-boss enemy (excluding mutant) regardless of slaughterer stacks on weakspot hit

[round geyser]

would 7.5% be a good middle ground i wonder

[wild vortex]

Wait WHAT

[tall torrent]

~half ur dmg on crusher comes from skullcrusher so u really want a way to put as many enemies into stagger state as possible

[wild vortex]

Even on lights??

[tall torrent]

yea, GW allows ur light bonk to interrupt rager combo if weakspot

[wild vortex]

Holy fuck

[tall torrent]

[wild vortex]

What's the weak spot for Crushers and Maulers, the neck?

[tall torrent]

its value varies based on weapon

[tall torrent]

head

u bonk their head

crusher is a finesse weapon

[tall torrent]

nah, 5% is fine

5% move speed is a lot

[round geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-21852548

[tall torrent]

5% move speed difference is like

2.6x ur weapon's sprint bonus for 60% mobility melee weapons

lol

[wild vortex]

Good God I need to try this build tomorrow

[grand perch]

big fuckoff stick with heavy weight on one end
"finesse" weapon

[round geyser]

when does grim protocols get released?

[tall torrent]

practically it doesn't kill crusher groups as fast

because u can't keep them staggered for long and ur gonna be forced to swap targets between them frequently

still very strong

[wild vortex]

Is Desperation actually worth it

[tall torrent]

crusher is basically #3 best melee on zealot

[tall torrent]

if u don't run 3x sprint efficiency on zealot (which u prob don't)

[wild vortex]

I don't, correct

[tall torrent]

it's near permanent 20% melee dmg buff for 1 point

u get into every fight with 15 IJ + desperation

then sustained assault starts stacking

and since crusher uses PA a lot

desperation is easy to maintain

it's good value for anything that uses PA a lot tbh

I'm not sure if I want slaughterer + skullcrusher
or opportunist + skullcrusher

[earnest bone]

probably this one

slaughterer + skullcrusher

now FS add headtaker

[verbal burrow]

That really is your problem though, not mine

[round geyser]

Rashuns

[tall torrent]

That’s what I’ve been using

[slow spade]

I shoot barrel next to Zealot -> zealot dies

its that simple

[tall torrent]

If they give headtaker to crusher it might go from #3 best to #1~2 best

[wild vortex]

You don't use PA for normal combat right

Normally I just do light-heavy alternates

With activations thrown in for CC

[hearty panther]

I throw out pushes to keep desperation going

just whenever

so may as well make those push attacks cause its pretty meaty

[wild vortex]

practiced the combo a bit

not getting path's level of 2-shot in psykhanium but at least I know the combo now

[earnest bone]

you can try to drop 10% rending and 10% TDR for 5% ranged damage + Killzone
Killzone goes hard

also can snag a point by removing it from krak

it only boost boss damage

and put that point back into rending OR actually field improve

further enhancing support

i love vet tree, so much fun choices faq you zealot tree

[cunning mortar]

is catachan sword good

[umbral scaffold]

is the heavy eviscerator any good?

[round geyser]

something doesn't quite add up here at least to me

i feel like to some degree that veterans got ripped off

this is just personal opinion but i think shroudfield should be on a 45 second CD

[oblique sparrow]

Can you get that as a vet

[round geyser]

no its unique to zealot

[umbral scaffold]

My bad

Wrong channel

[earnest bone]

mk3 is not, mk15 is fine

[round geyser]

am i the only one who thinks shroudfield CD is abit to low?

[earnest bone]

it get's higher if you go for improved damage

[round geyser]

only by 7 seconds.....

[round geyser]

as for infiltrate that goes up to a karking 60 seconds

[earnest bone]

well, veteran can also reset that in a few seconds (since there's no CD) if he solo'ed an elite pack

that's the difference between cdr talents

[round geyser]

you're talking about tact awareness aint ya

[earnest bone]

ofc, the main reason many people complain that vet is op (shout especially)

[round geyser]

incorrect

🤷‍♂️

[earnest bone]

elitespec pacs are the same sht to me, but w/e

the point still stands

unless FS nerf tactical awareness and rework cooldown reduction

nothing will change

the base cooldowns for abilities would also require changes

[round geyser]

sorry pal but specialist enemies dont show up in packs at least to my knowledge

[earnest bone]

sorry i only play auric maelstrom and hi stg aurics

[merry coral]

etc etc

[earnest bone]

there's plenty of those there and value of tactical awareness is insane

[round geyser]

ok outside of those 3 things

[earnest bone]

of course if going down the difficulty with less spawns its less strong

so also frag grenades

and other things

[merry coral]

there's more than 3

I just don't wont to flood the chan with screenshot

[round geyser]

ok outside of those 6 things than

[earnest bone]

but again, both CDR must be erased or tweaked and then base cooldowns tweaked

[merry coral]

ofc that talents is les effective outside of auric and special conditions

but still

[earnest bone]

and if FS will go for them it will be like 2 years from now on

they aren't fastest people

[round geyser]

still those my point stands

[merry coral]

speaking of screenshot

[earnest bone]

gl with last one

[merry coral]

I'm afraid to launch the last one haha

[earnest bone]

i can help if you are in EU (my NA ping is kinda mid these days and Asia is completely dead, FS servers)

[merry coral]

tbh I'll wait for an easy one

[round geyser]

i hope you fail (hoping he actually gets it done)

[round geyser]

asia & pacific south?

[earnest bone]

yeah, dead regions for my ping

f

[round geyser]

oi im part of that region

And it’s not dead you just gotta know what times to get on

[nocturne mulch]

apac aint dead

[round geyser]

But in all seriousness I do wish fat shark would bring down the CD of infiltration down to 30 seconds

[round geyser]

Life support would be the better wording

[nocturne mulch]

I don't have any issues getting full lobbies at any time of the day

Plus, game is boring easy with teammates.

[round geyser]

i do enjoy myself some dumpester teammates as well

[nocturne mulch]

I prefer creating shit builds and going solo

[merry coral]

tbh I've never played private games, always pub

cause I'm just afraid to be bad lmao

[round geyser]

question how rare are us infiltrate vets?

[merry coral]

very

[stiff glacier]

quite rare

[grand perch]

man i think im gonna miss the current event when its gone, its the best opportunity to play the silly boss deleting agrip revolver build

[round geyser]

even the chainsword is a one trick its fucking good at what it does

[thorn lark]

that applies to taxe too

[thin stone]

What blessings do you want on power sword?

[merry coral]

check the pinned guide

[drowsy aspen]

Wouldn't that mean we basically spend 2/3 of our time in stealth, potentially?

I know in practice it could be a lot less

But it could also be more

[round geyser]

Possibly would give allot of flexibility in terms of being defensive or offensive

That’s just personal opinion those

[normal zinc]

How much do you guys stack up on resistance curio blessings? Sniper, gunner and bomber all have different uses for me but I dont know if it's worth spreading out the coverage or going whole hog into resisting one type

[grand perch]

sniper and gunner are OK, with sniper being the more worthwhile option. never take bomber resistance, its not worth it

[merry coral]

I'm not into stacking resistance on curios for one type cause it has diminishing returns

[thick kestrel]

Health curios are a type of resistance for all damage :>

[midnight mortar]

I don't bother besides some token corruption resistance.

[merry coral]

sniper can save your life, gunner too but it's more manageable with good placement

[midnight mortar]

I much prefer health, toughness, and ability cooldown.

[vapid nacelle]

I uh.. don't have any resistance blessings

[thick kestrel]

though more seriously, I run 1 gunner and 1 sniper. typically enough for me to dive out of the way for cover

but I go out of my way to stack health and toughness primarily, getting the health over 200 does a lot to save you

[grand perch]

1 sniper resist is very important, for this reason:

[midnight mortar]

Against gunners and snipers, I'm either shooting them or I'm not doing my job. Rarely ever get caught out by them in a situation where resistance would matter to me.

[vapid nacelle]

the only one I take resistance on anymore is Psyker just because of how fragile they are

[loud belfry]

i usually only get shot by snipers if their red laser blends in with the bright orangeyness of flames

[vapid nacelle]

finally got recon lasgun mastered and am using it

this seems like a good time to go into mutated horrors and grief the team

[somber adder]

I run 3x 20% curio chance until I get my triple 420 power max rolls for every stat

[balmy flume]

Go to Inter Void Map.
On the exposed gangway, wait for horde to spawn.
Wait for teammates to start hacking.
Shoot to throw everyone else into the void.
Refuse to elaborate, leave mission.
/shitpost

[regal belfry]

idk why but i don't like so much to use the chainsword

[placid portal]

Not enough visera when swinging it unlike chain axes

[regal belfry]

they kind feel weak

and shredder feels unsafe to use

[balmy flume]

I think it is because the special, even if you spec in for Carapace or Unyielding damage, doesn't feel like it does much

There was a time I tried Chainsword instead of Powersword

And Crushers were troublesome

Especially a whole squad of Crushers that stealth spawned behind you.

[thin stone]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-right-behind-me-isnt-he-basil-demons-shadows-eye-thing-gif-27592292

[balmy flume]

Indeed

P Sword, yes, activation feels weird, but you swing hard enough at the head you can quickly nuke a Crusher

[old prism]

I just absolutely love how silent the crushers are.

3 meter tall absolutely humongous being clad in 2 tons of full on tank armor overheading you with the grace of an imperial assassin

[balmy flume]

And now you understand how Space Marines can, in fact, also sneak around

Lol

[thin stone]

Maybe the people in 40k are hard of hearing

[balmy flume]

But yea you don't expect Traitor Ogryns to be so QUIET

[balmy flume]

Must be all the grim massive church bells and gunfire sounds

[thin stone]

@balmy flume or perhaps the whispers of the warp 😈

[balmy flume]

True, given how Chaos can mess with perception

[thin stone]

#darktide-driptide message

My Basic ahh outfit

[grand perch]

in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only a lack of hearing protection

[thin stone]

[terse idol]

Hmmm ahhhh

Yeah raarely

The issue imo is that crushers are sometimes so loud i can't hear literally anything else

They diiiiid increase their sound to literally be ontop of other sounds

[frank basin]

Smudgels

[errant carbon]

Crushers are silent in a way Chaos Warriors never were

[frank basin]

I got crushed by crusher from behind when I sniping my helbore

I didn’t except them sneaking behind me

[thin stone]

I raged by a Travis Scott fan

[errant carbon]

Reminds me of how Chargers in HD2 make barely any sound while Stalkers are louder than anything else in the game

[thin stone]

I mean a rager

[frank basin]

Lol

[thin stone]

Half Death 2?

[errant carbon]

Helldivers 2

[thin stone]

The evil twin of Half Life 2?

Ohk

[errant carbon]

Swedish 4 Player Horde Shooter Co-Op Game #98

[thin stone]

Ik Helldivers 2

I heard it became rather mid

Maybe it's good again

[frank basin]

I thought helldiver is american game

American game are slop maybe from many gamer perspective

Chinese and Swedish got the kick

[errant carbon]

It's a parody of Starship Troopers meets 1984 meets Global War On Terror and American conservatism circa 2003, but the developer is Swedish (IIRC like 3 blocks away from Fatshark)

[elder fiber]

I am average american, I play bad game darktide

[pseudo fiber]

And also use the same engine as fatshark!

Isn't that fun.

[frank basin]

I forgot that

[errant carbon]

Sloptubers incited Reddit to whine until they buffed the shit out of almost every weapon, game is now a snoozefest unless you go out of your way to make things hard for yourself

[frank basin]

Play helldiver difficulty

They won’t snooze

[thin stone]

I hate such youtubers

[pseudo fiber]

I just personally found helldivers boring after I had to start grinding super credits for warbonds and then realised there was no way to like improve anymore

[thin stone]

Stingray?

[errant carbon]

I only play Super Helldive and it is still easy unless you are hard carrying

[frank basin]

I don’t have big wit to play high end difficulty

Most game pvp and pve need wit to win

[pseudo fiber]

It took me fucking ages to unlock super helldive because so many people do 2 operations and then close the lobby

[errant carbon]

Just gotta host them yourself. Lots of people either skip the long missions (if they want medals) or skip the short missions (if they want samples, Super Credits, or fun)

[pseudo fiber]

I took a screenshot of the scoreboard but because discord was fucking up I just went to bed
It was over 20 I couldn't actually believe my fucking eyes

[pseudo fiber]

Probably lol. I ended up queuing into a helldive eliminate bugs and then we won and I unlocked it

Helldivers just made me wanna play darktide again
Then when space marine came out I just played darktide again

then I started playing vermintide again because of darktide
happy times

[regal belfry]

i like the p sword

[thin stone]

Pee sword

[terse idol]

I meeannnnn

It was a wide spread opinion on nearly all media fronts

Plenty of weapons felt terrible

So it wasn't only youtub content creatprs

[tropic current]

What is Fire down range penance for veteran?

[terse idol]

Lots of complaints from nearly any media so I mean

Better to feel strong than be weak

Diff 10 is hard if you don't tailor your kits

[errant carbon]

There were some underperforming Primary weapons, and anti-tank Support weapons were falling behind compared to Autocannon, etc., but it was spun out into this narrative about how Arrowhead hates fun and nerfs shit constantly (despite them buffing way more often than nerfing the few outliers)

[hearty panther]

Imagine if FatShark fixed the Dueling Sword being too strong by making everything even stronger than the Dueling Sword. That's how the Helldivers do

The game has zero skill expression.

[terse idol]

I mean

The narrative, kinda reinforced by how bad the winter warbond was

Many primaries

Not performing

Durability being insane

[hearty panther]

You're literally repeating most of the false narratives lol

[terse idol]

Support weapons being power crept

[terse idol]

What nooo

I went from staunchly defending the balance to kinda just

[errant carbon]

I won't defend Durability being hidden in-game and barely acknowledged outside it

[terse idol]

I mean there were problems

Its hardly a false narrative

[hearty panther]

Absolutely there were problems.

[terse idol]

And I even quit during the winter warbond

[hearty panther]

But a big portion of complaints were not grounded in reality.

[terse idol]

Sure

Least the game feels better now

It isn't a cake walk

[hearty panther]

Now the game has a different kind of problems, but also, not really.

[terse idol]

As someone people may claim however

[hearty panther]

It's pure cakewalk lmao

91% global winrate

[errant carbon]

Polar Patriots was an L moment for sure (Tenderizer releasing weaker than the recently buffed Liberator, and the Purifier just sucking ass at the time) but many complaints were simply that all other Primaries didn't trivialize everything Charger and below the way the Breaker Incendiary did

[terse idol]

Big disagree

On what difficulty?

I'm playing half my pubs on diff 8

And sometimes the teams suck

H 10 in pubs is a no go

Also that is a question of

[hearty panther]

Well I don't wanna say it

[terse idol]

How they measure a win

Do you win if you complete all objectives but don't extract

[hearty panther]

Yes, that's a win.

[terse idol]

Okay

Then you can definetly do it before

[errant carbon]

Good randoms outnumber the bad ones in D10 IME. D8 might be like DT Heresy / VT2 Legend

[terse idol]

The ways that you did it before was you certainly ran more

[terse idol]

I meann

Ehh ah

[hearty panther]

I played 9/10s exclusively and the game precipitously dropped in difficulty every single month after its release

[terse idol]

Mileage might vary

[terse idol]

Fine by me

[hearty panther]

D10 rn is easier than D7 was at launch

[terse idol]

I would rather feel good about using alot of things than not

Lib pen

Stuff like that

[terse idol]

Yes and

[hearty panther]

You already could.

[terse idol]

Because many of the enemies were adjusted

[hearty panther]

If you weren't shit.

[terse idol]

Like the rocket devs not throwing 1000 rockets

Or getting gibbed by 1 missle

Alot of that is qol

[hearty panther]

Now we have LibPen being such a mathematical outlier that nothing really catches up to it, and all AT rockets are pretty much the same so you just take the one that has the most rockets.

Or none because one Thermite ends nearly every armoured threat

[terse idol]

If you want to get that close

And you're leaving out how the thermite

Literally couldn't kill a charger with less than 2 thermite

Or a tank

[hearty panther]

I had some faith Arrowhead was gonna figure the mess out. But when they reintroduced the flamethrower bug and then gave Senator AP 4 I gave up

[terse idol]

Like

I dunno

Its different

[hearty panther]

Everything is Smyker levels of unengaging for choice.

[errant carbon]

Rocket Devs were a pain, but since release they have:

• Nerfed the explosion damage and radius
• Made rocket devs take longer between salvos
• Given rocket devs finite ammo
• Reduced the rockets' proximity detonation (they basically need direct hits now)
• Increased the power of almost everything players might shoot back at them without increasing their toughness

[terse idol]

Yes

Its a reason why

The game has gotten easier

I dunno

I think hell diver, the devs and the community kinda just wanted the game and certain way

A more casual game

[errant carbon]

all AT rockets are pretty much the same

Recoilless Rifle mogs the others and its not even close

[terse idol]

And frankly the game had alot of problems prior

[analog mural]

I mean, getting domed across the map by a devestator you cant even see who has infinite ammo wasnt very fun if you ask me...

[terse idol]

I mean spear is still useful

Dunno what you're on about

[hearty panther]

Yea cause fast reload and biggest pack

[terse idol]

I need toooo

Put these thoughts into the lab

[errant carbon]

And one-shot kill on factory strider eyes, and tank and cannon turrets from any angle

[terse idol]

I think it's just been made for an enjoyable casual experience

[terse idol]

Uhhh

[errant carbon]

And dropship bodies

[terse idol]

Last i played nooo

That wasn't the case

Which wasn't that long!

I mean, railgun got buffed so I'm happy

I've literally went from "balance is perfect" to "this balance sucks ass" to " this is fine"

[errant carbon]

There was a patch a few weeks ago that removed AV6 from tank/turret front armor (which you could still one-shot with the RR by shooting the gun itself, or by diving while shooting, due to the goofiest physics ever)

[terse idol]

I have my opinions on it

You can have yours

I think the game is fun 😌

[idle swallow]

I usually hang at diff 8 when I'm on helldivers so I'm not at full murderhell mode but I'm happy with the state rn, they've definitely made it better compared to half a year ago

[terse idol]

Yee

Its just opnioms it's hard

And I wouldn't want to be a arrowhead dev trying to balance the game at any point

But at least now there's

Play testers

They do seemingly have restructured the way they did balancing within the balance team/department

We don't get the cringe balance comments anymore thankfully

(From the one guy)

(Alex?)

[idle swallow]

idk I never joined the HD2 discord, people always seemed mad from what little I heard about it

[errant carbon]

Armory: Mad About Power Creep
General Chat: Mad That Game Still Too Hard
Galactic War: Mad About People Playing On Wrong Planets
Mess Hall: Roleplaying Oppressed Robots on Cyberstan Or Some Bullshit

[terse idol]

Yeeag

I was an hd2 discord main, and uh I mean I did go through my stages of denial

[serene bough]

i played HD2 for about a week then stopped

horde co-op games just feel so 1 dimensional after playing darktide for so long

[elder fiber]

I played for tutorial and 1 mission and refunded

[idle swallow]

I like starship troopers so HD2 is just a freebie win, also the chaos of war it inspires with its game design has a lot of charm for me

friends to play it with also helps

[serene bough]

it had very cinematic moments but i didnt like how most of the weapons felt garbage and you needed to rely on stratagems

not to mention constantly running across barren maps

[thorn torrent]

Toasters cannot be oppressed.

[terse idol]

It diiid get better

[short fern]

with recon lasgun is survivalist even worth or is just shock troop enough?

for the ammo regen

[idle swallow]

If you're determined to use only recon the whole match you probably want survivalist

[short fern]

I am determined

[fading yarrow]

Watching Tanner Lindberg's breakdown of Mister E's Psyker video
It's a little funny to me that it's an hour and forty minutes long when E's video is thirty minutes and sped up by ×3

[idle swallow]

Try to pick up the 5% crit chance node and reciprocity if you can

[short fern]

alright

[errant carbon]

tfw your enemies are ontologically evil and thus no action against them can be wrong

[ancient path]

playing stealth with no one left behind and seeing that sweet, sweet top friendly pick ups feels so good

[tawny timber]

brainrot

[idle swallow]

brevity is the soul of wit - william shakesman

[grand perch]

if i had more time, i would write a shorter letter - some long dead dickhead

[thorn torrent]

How's veteran do with dueling sword? They get it as well, right?

[grand perch]

broken

[tough flower]

No one gets left behind is the way to play

The only game I've ever finished without a full team was one time 3 zealots left me behind

[ancient path]

stupid and op lol

i really hope dueling sword gets shot

[merry coral]

It's op

and boring

[ancient path]

love hopping into an auric match and its just 3x dueling sword

[merry coral]

I'm only using it on psyker

when I'm not using Deimos

which is rare

[analog mural]

yeah I dropped DS after a while for crusher

crusher is just so fun to use

[merry coral]

The shovel too

and it's versatile enough

the folding ones

[ancient path]

is skirmisher good into something like braced autogun with stripped down?

i have a meme build i play in 4s with it just being me hip firing a braced vraks with weapon spec and hit and run lol

[merry coral]

it's good with double barrel shotty

Well, good, idk if it's really worth but, that can work

[ancient path]

word

[tough flower]

Dueling sword should have been psyker only

I honestly hate that it went to zealot and vet

[merry coral]

It was yeah

dunno why they brought it on vet and zealot

[tough flower]

I meant stayed Psyker only, yeah

[merry coral]

beside, they look dumb with their arm behind their back

[tough flower]

It was strong but still okay there

It's begging for a nerf with Zealot wielding it

[idle swallow]

Psyker had it at least modestly limited by psyker naturally being a glass cannon archetype

[merry coral]

yeah for sure

c'mon game, give me a relatively easy maestrom

I need only one deathless to get the title

and I'm scared to death

[errant carbon]

Dueling Sword also looks way too fancy for Zealot, or Vet unless you have some Commissar looking outfit etc

[thorn torrent]

Yeah that was actually what I was thinking, some Commissar drip.

[serene bough]

stopped playing and lost interest so it doesnt matter much to me anymore lols

[hallow parrot]

god the battle forged weapon skins are tacky asf

[thin stone]

I like the red skins we can get from Hestia

[hallow parrot]

yeah kind of a shame we only get two but yeah

only skins I use myself

[errant carbon]

The red ones with white checker patterns are too bright to match any armor cosmetics that I've seen, and too orky by half

[thin stone]

Hmm

[hallow parrot]

I just recently got my first one and it looks tryhardy asf yeah

[thin stone]

I use default weapon skins along with my default veteran drip

[stark cove]

Agreed, a darker red would’ve made for a better cosmetic

[hallow parrot]

might look good on some weapons though, not on the scout laser, can tell you that much

[errant carbon]

The dark red ones were at least designed to match the red cosmetics from the original penances

[stark cove]

Yeaaaah

[thin stone]

Looks like a cheap toy

[hallow parrot]

I appreciate the detail. I think it's the checkerboard pattern that breaks it for me though

but the details on the muzzle and the stock and stuff looks pretty neat

[stark cove]

The checker pattern makes it feel too ork-like IMO

[thin stone]

What does the death world of nox alpha look like

[merry coral]

Death, probably

[smoky meteor]

how to do long bomb penace? my frags keep bouncing when i hit someone with them

[analog mural]

Consignment yard, end event

Throw nades at the snipers who always hang out at the far balcony

[tawny timber]

infantry or braced autogun

[analog mural]

Mark them to show distance to make sure you are far enough away

[hallow parrot]

also not sure if that penance works with kraks, but those stick

[pseudo fiber]

You folks got any fun builds you've used recently?

[merry coral]

I dit it by accident while throwing a grenade randomly

I didn't even know there was enemies

I'm a fraud

[merry coral]

It's a melee focus build, with the revolver to proc weapon specialist

very very fun

High adrenaline kind of build

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly I may need that after doing bolter build for a week

[merry coral]

I absolutely despise the bolter

[brittle turtle]

am I insane or does this gun sometimes do literally nothing when hitting enemies ?

[merry coral]

I can't work with the agripinaa variant

[brittle turtle]

I'll get the hit sound but the enemy just doesnt take damage or react

[merry coral]

don't know why

[brittle turtle]

Its making me crazy to use this variant

[merry coral]

I just wish the zarona had the same reload

but that would probably be way too strong

[brittle turtle]

its already a very strong gun

zarona I mean

[merry coral]

Yeah

I love it

[brittle turtle]

same

popping specials and carapace left and right

[pseudo fiber]

it's the servers not you

[brittle turtle]

but its only this gun

this one gun in the entire game

who does it

[merry coral]

babe it's not you.. it's the server...

I've been dumped way too many times, always blaming the server, tss

who is that Server anyway..

I wasn't even playing deadlock

[errant carbon]

It's the gun where it's most noticeable I think.

Meanwhile the Plasma Gun last night would sometimes just not fire. I click, it wobbles a little like it's about to shoot, then doesn't

[merry coral]

happens to all of us

It's okay

[errant carbon]

I swear that never happened to me before

[idle swallow]

seeing a successful match through start to finish with at least 5 pub players dropping in then out after getting downed is a mood

[merry coral]

I had a match with a player named MrClutch. They died to a pox walker in 5mn and left

made me giggle

[hallow parrot]

did they do anything to the recon on the itemization patch?

doesn't seem to play any differently but I'm seeing more people using it

[brittle turtle]

with the right perks around the tree, it melts

[hollow ibex]

Got buffed significantly lol

[brittle turtle]

its also VERY ammo efficient

[hallow parrot]

oh I love it, it's my main squeeze through thick and thin

but I was curious, 'cause usually you didn't see it much

[brittle turtle]

yeah, they undid some previous nerfs

[hallow parrot]

now every 2-3 pugs I'll see one or two

[hollow ibex]

Yeah because it used to be very bad

Now it’s very good lol

[brittle turtle]

it was very good, then they made it very bad, now its back to being very good

[hallow parrot]

idk, it seems to play as well as it's always done for me

not that I think it's ever been that bad to begin with

[hollow ibex]

You can look at the patch notes

It was a bad ammo hog with shit dps for a while

[hallow parrot]

yeah flipped through them but didn't see anything major, reason I was asking

[brittle turtle]

for instance, they undid the nerf to its ammo economy by removing the timer on the las gun crit perk

[hollow ibex]

Buffs were significant

[brittle turtle]

previously, it was unlimited, then they put a timer on it and killed the perk and weapon, then they removed the timer

[short fern]

I’m currently leveling a veteran with it and at level 20 it’s already incredible. With onslaught I can’t imagine how good it’s going to be

[hollow ibex]

Onslaught

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[short fern]

Do most people take the 20% damage vs big boys or rending? I’d imagine melee weapon or grenade better for carapace armor

[brittle turtle]

dont bother with rending

take the 20% damage

easily

[hollow ibex]

Rending is good in many weapons

The buff applies to your melee weapon too btw

[brittle turtle]

but not against the majority of foes. Meanwhile big guys and bosses are always good to keep in check

I value the 15% against elites more anyway, but you should grab both

[hollow ibex]

It’s more down to the weapon and flak is one of the most common armor types in the game

[brittle turtle]

and 10% is a nothing burger

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[brittle turtle]

Take the rending, jump into the training area and watch how deal slightly more damage

now take the other node and watch how you deal actual damage afterwards

but if you dont want to melt bosses or ogryns with your plasma, or your bolter or even your nades, if you want, then feel free to take 10% rending and say to yourself "whoah!!!"

[hollow ibex]

It’s more impactful than a lot of other nodes and will absolutely matter for some weapons that have lower adms

Stuff like plasma and bolter obviously won’t need it

[brittle turtle]

then why recommand it ? The weapons who would want rending are fast shooting weapons, who would need a TON of rending to be relevant against crushers. "But what about flak!", and 10% is still not enough to justify it

Check the weapons who give rending as a perk and check how many you get on these

much more than 10%

[hollow ibex]

Because most weapons don’t have the adm of plasma or bolter lol…

[brittle turtle]

10% is just way too low that, if you are low on perks, there are better ones you could pick

[hollow ibex]

Its an additive buff to a multiplier

So no, it’s quite meaningful

[brittle turtle]

Then take onslaught, if flak is so needed

an actually good perk

[hollow ibex]

Onslaught is a noob trap

[faint beacon]

Rending strikes is situational

It’s good on certain weapons

Especially really good on Vigilant seeing it jumps up more from its Finesse values

[hollow ibex]

Meanwhile onslaught is bad on everything except two guns.

[faint beacon]

Onslaught is horrifically mediocre it’s depressing

[hollow ibex]

And on those two guns it’s still a questionable take lmfao

[faint beacon]

Recons and Vraks V iirc

[brittle turtle]

its a team wide debuff easily appliable

[faint beacon]

Are the two that make onslaught work

[hollow ibex]

Nobody is taking it to debuff lol. They’re taking it to mag dump crushers

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah onslaught is cope for the majority of the time

[faint beacon]

I hate to say it

[orchid hemlock]

It's OK on recons because they have amazing uptime

[faint beacon]

But yeah that’s usually how it goes

[hollow ibex]

It’s just the perfect noob trap talent. Seems so good on paper. But in practice it’s pretty bad

[brittle turtle]

but if you're gonna dump your mag on crushers, why not take the 20% damage

oh wait my bads

you were still talking about onslaught

[faint beacon]

Yeah admittedly

Rending and Bring them down

Pair better

Than onslaught bring them

[brittle turtle]

I mean, they are right next to another, its sort of unfair anyway since taking both would cripple a build

that is, onslaught and bring them down

[faint beacon]

Not necessarily

Onslaught is FAR more taxing

You’ll realize this once you kinda learn the necessity talents on Veteran

Idk how much time you’ve dumped into the class yet

[brittle turtle]

The worst thing about onslaughts are the two nodes you need to take before

[faint beacon]

Yeah whilst everything above rending and bring them are needed talents minus like

The beginning nodes

Born Leader, FTE, KTHD

They’re nice bonuses but like everything else down middle is good picks minus Competitive Urge?

[brittle turtle]

I still wouldn't recommend rending strikes the majority of time

[faint beacon]

Which is valid

[hollow ibex]

The opportunity cost is horrid for onslaught esp if you’re running a range focused build

[faint beacon]

It’s heavily build dependent

Veteran like Path has stated

Is a class more built around your weapons

Vs Zealot

Where it’s more so the talents that build your weapon

[brittle turtle]

zealot could make a toothbrush work

[faint beacon]

Though I’m curious do you know what rending effects and I seriously can’t blame you if you don’t get this fully correct cause there’s a reason we praise uncanny strike like the second coming of the emperor

[brittle turtle]

I do know, it bypass armor and very slightly boosts damage against non armor

10%, imo, is just not worth it

[faint beacon]

First one is correct but if we go into the nitty gritty

It’s more so boosting the overall ADM

Armor damage mitigation

Which this obviously is Flak and Carapace right

[hollow ibex]

It’s significant on some weapons

[faint beacon]

But it also effects

Maniac and Unyielding

Meaning it’s a boost on damn near EVERY enemy

It’s why we tend to suggest rending more

[brittle turtle]

but not to the full effect of the 10% or whatever the amount

[faint beacon]

Don’t get me wrong Bring Them Down is insane for like

Bolter and Plasma builds

[faint beacon]

I’d say let’s say

[hollow ibex]

Total dmg = (base dmg) × (X+Y)%

[faint beacon]

Your gun deals .85 to Maniac aka it’s weak right

Rending will bump it up to .95 now

[hollow ibex]

Where X is ADM and Y is rending

[faint beacon]

Like if you go into the big math of it

Sometimes you’ll see a gun fucking sky rocket in damage cause of rending

[hollow ibex]

So unless your weapon is hitting above 100 percent adm the damage bonus is greater than 10%

[faint beacon]

Darktide is kinda silly like that

[brittle turtle]

But arent those just resistances innate to each weapon, separate to armor types ?

[faint beacon]

Every single weapon has different ADMs towards each armor type

[hollow ibex]

In that example it’s roughly a 12 percent damage bonus

Which is nothing to scoff at

[faint beacon]

Honestly I view it as like candies free extra damage when it’s not focusing on like

Unyield or Maniac

Keep in mind Ogryns and Monstros are unyielding

All of them

[brittle turtle]

not crusher

[faint beacon]

Crusher is Carapace

But

[brittle turtle]

yes, armor rending

[faint beacon]

Rending is meant for them

[brittle turtle]

but 10% is such a low amount that it'll still tick them depending of the weapon you use

[faint beacon]

So I main a particularly mediocre gun

The Agri 9 Vigilant

[hollow ibex]

Except on a lot of weapons it’ll be above a 10 percent damage bonus…

[faint beacon]

3-4 bursts with rending strikes drops one crusher

2 round burst btw

That’s insane for ammo economy

[hollow ibex]

10% rending isn’t low unless you already have very high adms against everything

Which isn’t common

[brittle turtle]

but isnt that inverse to what fatshark said

i'm so confused

Yes, it works on mutants and monsters, but not to the effect you described ?

oh wait no

cause of the intrisic damage to each weapon

because "different armour type" isn't just flak and carapace

Man, this is such a messier system than Vermintide...

[tall torrent]

If ur weapon deals 50% of its base damage to maniac, and you add 10% rending

You’ll deal 60% of the weapon’s base damage to maniac

Which is comparatively a x1.2 increase (60 = 50 x1.2)

[brittle turtle]

So, the better a weapon naturally is against all armor types, the worse it is paired with rending

[tall torrent]

[brittle turtle]

its insane how brittleness is easy to understand but rending isn't

even though they are the same effect

[round geyser]

wait a minute so your telling me that the recon las gun is bad cause it pairs with rending strikes

[brittle turtle]

wut

the lasgun is the perfect exemple of weapon that would be good for rending strikes, isn't it ?

[tall torrent]

It’s literally the same mechanic…

If anything brittleness is more complicated because there’re different brittleness values

[round geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-meme-not-my-brain-tiktok-math-gif-17864103

[frank ledge]

I come again to spread the wonder that is

Helbore melee
Stabby gun
Shamker (with shoot attachment)

[faint beacon]

Yeah there’s a reason a lot of us will say pass on brittleness

[hard cave]

they should buff smoke gernades

[frank ledge]

How

[faint beacon]

Like there’s rare scenarios where it’s genuinely great

[frank ledge]

Make them obscure more?

[hard cave]

make the smoke radius bigger but clearer

[frank ledge]

Idk if even with a map wide effect and clear as day effects it'd be good

Disrupting pathing is good and all but like...

[faint beacon]

You know damn well

[frank ledge]

It's competing against kraks

[faint beacon]

People will STILL complain about it

[hard cave]

also make ranged units seek cover and hunker down as opposed to attempted to flank

[faint beacon]

Hear me out

Any enemies inside of smoke get tagged

Regardless if they’re trash or not

[hard oasis]

bombers and tox bombers dont even care about smoke, they still chuck

[hard cave]

bombers ai are weird tbh

[brittle turtle]

also, wait a second

[hard cave]

They'll find the most obscure place and bounce the gernades

[faint beacon]

It’s because they predict

[brittle turtle]

@faint beacon you use vigilant guns ?

[faint beacon]

They’re like a direct counter for smokes

[faint beacon]

Yes, the weakest variant

[brittle turtle]

Arent they, arguably, the worst gun currently in the game ?

[tame lodge]

What
The Vigilants?

[hard oasis]

maybe if smoke put out fires or tox clouds, it would be marginally useful

[tame lodge]

Far from it

[hard cave]

Surprised they dont

[faint beacon]

They simply get out performed

They’re the most balanced imo

[tame lodge]

The worst gun in the game is the Shredder Auto Pistol

[faint beacon]

If you can’t click weak points

It’s bad

If you can

It’s fucking great

[brittle turtle]

It's bad too but the vigilante are rather mediocre when you consider other weapons

[tame lodge]

Not really

Vigilants will kill anything not carapace while having good ammo economy

[hard cave]

vigilantes are suppose to be a direct competitor to the kantrel las guns, it's too bad boltgun and plasma gun dominate the veteran's ranged arsenal

[faint beacon]

Unless you’re veteran

With precision and rending

3-4 bursts on Agri 9 drops a crusher

It’s fucked

8 rounds spent of 45/46

[brittle turtle]

but how much of it is headhunter ?

[faint beacon]

Probably 1-2 procs

Seeing I highly recommend Headhunter on Agri 9

[errant carbon]

It's more that single powerful shots hit breakpoints and get boosted higher by "on next hit" effects while high ROF weapons proc "on hit" or "on crit" effects more, everything in between is literally mid

[hard cave]

its so sad everything is mid

really wish guns would get buffed

can't even use exe stance on vet in heresy without feeling like dead weight

[faint beacon]

I mean what weapon are you trying cause I find a disgusting talent synergy that makes you near VOC unkillable if you’re playing aggressive with Exe stance

[errant carbon]

Back in the day (if those days ever actually existed) exe stance and a lasgun or autogun was a nice thing to have when the most dangerous things around were large groups of regular dudesmen with guns

[hard cave]

The middle ground kantrel rifle, but with the kantrel crit weak point build

[tall torrent]

That seems less like a build problem and more like a playstyle problem

[hard cave]

you'd be correct

[faint beacon]

I could probably

[hard cave]

I am infact using the vet exclusive brace cover mechanic

[faint beacon]

Make a Kantrael build of it

Cause I’m using the Agri 9

[hard cave]

fun fact! Vet is the only class who can brace their gun on cover!!!

[errant carbon]

I don't even know what weapons are called anymore

[hard cave]

[hard cave]

Default las gun

Good rate of fire, mediocre damage

Its 50 less damage than the meta kantrel gun

283 vs 232 or something

[faint beacon]

What blessings are you running on it if I mind asking

Cause if you’re running headhunter deadly

[tall torrent]

what

[frank ledge]

Using exe stance in pubs is a great way to go horizontal

lmao

[faint beacon]

You’re literally running a laser version of what I could throw together

[hard cave]

The kantrel las gun, the slow firing one only does 50 more damage per shot compared to the "middle ground" one

[faint beacon]

The exact reason I run O4B + CK with Exe

[tame lodge]

Me using exec and dominating every single enemy

[tall torrent]

IX is the worst infantry lasgun

[faint beacon]

The brown one?

[tall torrent]

VII is ok

[hard cave]

me trying to use exe stance on a 1028x720 resolution on geforce now

[faint beacon]

That’s objectively the worst if so

[tall torrent]

IIb is basically the best infantry lasgun

[hard cave]

I thought the brown one was crowned as the best infantry las gun by the meta

[tall torrent]

that was 1y ago

[hard cave]

my ass still running meta knowledge prior to the skill tree rework

[tall torrent]

before patch13 skill tree

[frank ledge]

Me using better exe to dominate games (crashing)

[faint beacon]

Swap to the Green Mark

[hard cave]

what makes the blue one better than the green infanty lasgun

[faint beacon]

That’s really all I can say

Green is the more damage

[frank ledge]

Jokes aside, stabby helbore with exe stance is peak veteran

[faint beacon]

Blue is more DPS

Faster firing

More ammo

[hard cave]

I was running the green mark and still feel mediocre with exe stance compared to voc vet lmao

[errant carbon]

Get yourself some mods. Weapon Customization (for an optic / a better optic), Crosshair Remap, and Crosshair Color totally transformed my performance on Veteran. Not having targets covered by a dummy thicc front sight post and not trying to use a yellow reticle atop yellow highlighted targets in a game where every other goddamn thing is yellow was like night and day

[hard cave]

geforenow

[errant carbon]

What even is that

[hard cave]

I stream the game to my crap top

[errant carbon]

Oh nvm

[tall torrent]

weapon customization mod is incredibly unstable

basically guarantees crashes after every update

[hard oasis]

That, and it tends to hate when you try to modify a weapons pattern

[faint beacon]

I threw something together

[hard oasis]

Tried to modify a lasgun from mark IV to IX and instant CTD. so screw weapon customization

[round geyser]

not worth using bro

[errant carbon]

I don't switch weapon marks very often at least

[errant carbon]

Maybe I've been spoiled by optics but there are good reasons that everyone who can use them, does

[hard oasis]

Thats fair, but its very outdated

Think last patch was october, and it was still rough

[errant carbon]

Even without the weapon customization I still found it very helpful to have a high-contrast dot or chevron present during ADS

[winged laurel]

donno what you talking about

[hard cave]

I was using a lasgun lol

[tall torrent]

4 wound veteran is crazy

[hard cave]

two wounds on heresy????

[winged laurel]

damnation

[tall torrent]

4 wounds is still crazy lol

[hard cave]

thats crazy

[winged laurel]

suits me well

sidenote: ive never understood why people complain about exec stance

kicks ass with a right setup

[tall torrent]

dunning-kruger effect lol

loads of intermediate skill level players think they are rly good and know a lot
when they in fact barely know anything and formulate their opinions on objectively incorrect data

[faint beacon]

Look if you get lucky

I’ve found the sweet spot for a lot of my builds

3 stam, 17% toughness, 21 HP

200+ on both toughness and HP and enough stamina to actually fucking push enough to keep myself alive

[merry coral]

Imagine having a +3 stam curios eh

[hard oasis]

Got one last night from brunt, gotta keep checking

[faint beacon]

Melk bucks have a purpose

[errant carbon]

Or even simpler, they are in a place where The Consensus says Exe Stance Sucks

[merry coral]

[faint beacon]

Spam the fuck out of random curios

[tall torrent]

it's especially noticeable for veteran & psyker players lol

[merry coral]

I mean yeah, probably, I should

[tall torrent]

the consensus is wrong because majority people don't know anything

[merry coral]

Darktide gacha game

[faint beacon]

Look I got like

2 3 Stams 1 21 HP

[orchid hemlock]

U don't need WC, just remap

[faint beacon]

I naturally got my 17 tough ages ago

Just spam Melk

You’ll get your shit eventually

Stay strong soldier

[merry coral]

Aye

[faint beacon]

Call me insane but 2 12% stam regen on Veteran

Is kinda fucking nutty

Mainly cause I’m putting up with 1 gunner res lmao

[tall torrent]

it's alr, u can prob get more out of sprint efficiency

[faint beacon]

You sure?

Stam regen and Sprint combo

[hard oasis]

or a little block efficiency

[tall torrent]

depends on what ur main stamina drain source is

[faint beacon]

Or full sprint

[faint beacon]

Sprinting

Mainly pushing and sprinting

Rarely blocking

[errant carbon]

Get opinion from Youtubers/Redditors/Etc who are all wrong and may even have a vested interest in being wrong

Form opinion based on your own subjective and highly limited experience colored by 50 different biases

[tall torrent]

I run
+21% (x2) health
+17% +5% toughness
x80% gunner resist
x80% sniper resist
x85% (x3) sprint cost
+10% (x3) docket

[faint beacon]

I might try a mix

[tall torrent]

yea, pretty much

[faint beacon]

Seeing I sprint and push

A LOT

[tall torrent]

nah, just go 3x sprint efficiency

[errant carbon]

Says a lot about society or whatever

[hard cave]

how the hell do you get 80

[faint beacon]

Well I mean anything to let me play like a meth head

[hard cave]

max is 60 resistance of a specific enemy type?

[tall torrent]

20% gunner resist is calculated as x80% dmg

[tall torrent]

no

[faint beacon]

Cause like you said “Gale plays like the AI director owes him something” LMAO

[tall torrent]

I'm wording them as how they're calculated

[errant carbon]

I've found Zealot is great for that

[faint beacon]

Issue, I do not want to be a priest

[tall torrent]

u can use my guide to find what things they actually do

[faint beacon]

I love the idea of playing extremely aggressive and swapping between my gun and melee frequently

Hence

Weapon Specialist my beloved

[errant carbon]

Trying to play Vet after a year of either not playing Darktide or playing Zealot, I have found out I actually suck ass

[hard cave]

20% resistance is just more palatable to read rather than saying x80% lol

[faint beacon]

Veteran is as much as other people want to paint him

[tall torrent]

x80% is how it actually works

[faint beacon]

Not

A sharpshooter

Yes he can be one

But you have to engage In melee

A lot

So it’s a hybrid class

[hard cave]

yes im aware that's how it actually works but that representation is not shown it game, just stating 20% resistance

[faint beacon]

Vs let’s say Zealot which is heavily focused on melee

[hard cave]

Saying 20% resistance is more palatable because that's what people are familiar with reading :v

[tall torrent]

yea, game shows things unintuitively, hence I don't use that terminology

[hard cave]

ok

[faint beacon]

1.5k hours into the game and I didn’t even realize gunner res effects reapers

The more you know

Ehh usually kill them too quickly anyways

[errant carbon]

tbf how often do you actually just stand there taking shots from Reapers

[faint beacon]

If I get caught with my pants down in a reaper firing squad

That happens like

Once every 20 matches

Lmao

[tall torrent]

ur never gonna "stand there" and tank shots from reapers because a reaper that's actively firing deals incredibly high dmg so everyone tries to kill them before they can start shooting

[faint beacon]

I tend to play WAY more aggressively than Path does

You’ll see me run ahead of him if we’re playing

[tall torrent]

buddy u have not played with me for over a month

[faint beacon]

I’m just better

No but seriously we should play again soon

[errant carbon]

Yeah and if that happens you get pinned to the wall and die, or ult yourself out of it or w/e, it doesn't happen often enough to get a good idea of the effects of Gunner Resist vs no Gunner Resist (especially if you've been running 2-3x Gunner Resist since 2022)

[faint beacon]

It’s extremely rare but I have had moments where I reaper is already firing

He flicks to me

And literally pins me to a wall from a barrage

[tall torrent]

the only reason I run behind u is because

[faint beacon]

TRUE

I’m notorious for not picking up mats

[errant carbon]

Nobody does, which is why I'm saying the effect is hard to judge because it's a situation that rarely happens and tends to kill you fast when it does

[faint beacon]

I have too much so all I’m after is ordos now lmao

[hard cave]

youre more likely to get pinned down by gunners

Which is the primary purpose of the resistance

since they're more prevalent :v

[tall torrent]

at least pick up diamantine

[hard cave]

the protection against reapers for the gunner resistance is just an added on bonus that makes sense

[tall torrent]

plasteel is worthless

[errant carbon]

Yes, Gunners, not Reapers

[hard cave]

yeah

[errant carbon]

He was saying he didn't know Reapers were affected by Gunner Resist and I was explaining why

[tall torrent]

material pickup is the easiest way to farm score on scoreboard

[faint beacon]

That explains a bit

[wraith hornet]

anyone got a good recon lasgun build

[serene bough]

only thing i keep on my scoreboard is offense score

big number make brain happy

[queen fox]

Does gunner resist work vs ranged chaff?

[serene bough]

no

[faint beacon]

Only against Gunners and Reapers

There’s no res against shotgunners and shooters

[winged laurel]

is there better setups then?

im not big in the whole meta of the game

if stuff works it works

thats life in the guard

[hard oasis]

wounds just let you have more downs before being killed entirely, and needing to be rescued. so its largely up to how you play, but its mostly a useless perk

[tall torrent]

Health, toughness, stamina are all better

[errant carbon]

Health or Toughness or (less directly but still potentially important) Stamina will help you not go down in the first place. If you are going down so often that you need to be picked back up multiple times between Medicae Stations you're probably playing too high a difficulty and are being carried.

[winged laurel]

well considering i rarely go down (today i went down once in 5 rounds) its not the issue

[errant carbon]

Not Going Down is especially important (versus being able to go down and be picked back up more times) because the team is down one player who isn't killing or staggering anything and isn't being targeted by enemies (so they are concentrating more on the 3 that are left) it will also mean taking a second player out of the fight for a moment to pick you back up

[tall torrent]

Then go for +health or +toughness

[winged laurel]

it just feels pointless on health and toughness when its like 15% what you get

like bitch please give me some real numbers like 25 or more

[tall torrent]

Health is 21% (31.5 more health for veteran)

Toughness is 17%

[errant carbon]

On top of all that, extra wounds don't help if you go down and no one is able to pick you back up (because they had to kite, or you got into a bad position by overextending or getting thrown there, you're last man standing, etc) or if you just get sent over a ledge by a barrel)

[winged laurel]

so as far as i see its pennies

[tall torrent]

Nah

Because it scales from your base toughness & health

17% toughness with 165 base is +28 toughness

[winged laurel]

so it would be 185~

[tall torrent]

193

[queen fox]

I take +1 wounds because without it bursters seem to 1hko me far more often

[tall torrent]

You decide if close to 200 toughness is worth going for

[tall torrent]

That’s a build problem

You need to build health

[queen fox]

I mean 1h kill instead of knockdown

If there was a burster resistance I'd have 3 of them on at all times

[tall torrent]

Yea, that’s a build problem

You need more health

I covered this in my guide

[orchid hemlock]

Busters ignore toughness