veteran-class

[orchid hemlock]

I wouldn't normally run shattering + puncture

I saw an interesting crit build the other day

[mortal horizon]

not having marksman + for the emperor seems like a big loss for dumping a boss as well

its the difference in me like 1 magging a CS

almost

[frank basin]

Fte last for 5s

I wish make it 8

[mortal horizon]

ya you can drop it but you can press exe stance and dump a boss immediately and bc of the way it multiplies its a big dmg boost

[orchid hemlock]

yeah the tree i showed u earlier was a pinning fire build, for boss killing I would take for the emporer because supression doesn't work on them

[frank basin]

Does marksman need consistency aim on head to proc the 20% strength?

[orchid hemlock]

the weakspot yes

[frank basin]

Damn that gonna be need them try not move around

[orchid hemlock]

tbh the bullets are soo huge and magnetize to the head on bolt gun it isn't difficult

20% streagth for free is huge

regardless of the condition

[frank basin]

The recoil bit kick

fully weakspot hit maximize damage

Not miss shot need the boss standstill

Plague turn around attack your teammate hard time aim on their head

[orchid hemlock]

recoil in this game isn't technically real

at least how it is shown in the movement of your gun

u can actually turn it off in a mod

so your screen doesn't shake when firing

[frank basin]

I get like the gun move upward I have to pull mouse down

On boltgun

And it spread a bit wide

The reticle spread wide than no shooting idling reticle

Is an oval shape reticle

[thin stone]

can someone suggest changes please

Much appreciated

Guess most people are 'eepy

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-eepy-eepy-cat-cute-kitten-gif-2354054411599231174

[brazen steppe]

Not many people have messed up sleep schedules

[thin stone]

It's mid day for me'

[spark helm]

What weapons are you going for?

[thin stone]

Recon las

MK12

[spark helm]

Melee?

[thin stone]

Power Sword

[brazen steppe]

Ah, European

[thin stone]

Or maybe MK4 Devil claw

[thin stone]

*Indian

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-mustache-point-daler-mehndi-gif-17362207

[brazen steppe]

Alright, you get a pass (I don’t like Europeans)

[thin stone]

[brazen steppe]

[spark helm]

If you want to, you can take away the points you're investing in the rest of the right tree and float them into keystone for middle tree w/ all modifiers for it.

Trim that node that's further up with stuff from bottom left or bottom middle. Since you're running recon taking Longshot and exhilarating takedown juices your bonuses for toughness stability more fluidly with your weapon and your target priority.

I got nothing for dclaw, never used it on vet

[thin stone]

Ohk

[round geyser]

just personal opinion but the recon lasgun mk 14 shouldn't use 2 bullets per shot

[spark helm]

I barely notice it fwiw

Except maybe when scavenger is on cooldown when it finally matters.

[thin stone]

wait then which one uses just 1 bullet per shot?

Can someone also recommend a build for braced/infantry autogun + plasma sword?

I know the gun/plasma sword perks/blessings/stats, I just need to know the tree

[round geyser]

both bthe VIc and the xii correct me if i'm wrong those

[verbal burrow]

Recon

[round geyser]

which mark of the recon they are asking pal

[verbal burrow]

All recon marks only use 1 round per shot

[thin stone]

Uhh

[round geyser]

not true the mkXIV uses 2 per shot

[thin stone]

Iirc one uses 3 per shot

[verbal burrow]

I have used that thing for years and one shot substracts by 1

[verbal burrow]

Different weapon. Infantry lasgun

You can tell them apart by shooting. If it is full auto it is a recon

If it is semi automatic it’s infantry

If you discover that your aim down sight mode has a charge up that’s a helbore

[round geyser]

pal the mk14 uses 2 per shot

[verbal burrow]

Mine doesn’t but if yours does then you have my sympathies

[austere mica]

Mk14 does use 2 ammo per shot

The most comprehensive vet resource supports this

I feel like it would be pretty fucking hard to overlook this

[round geyser]

thank you

[verbal burrow]

That does not seem consistent with the fact that when I fire mine the ammo counter does not get substracted by two

[round geyser]

which mark of the recon las gun are you using pal

please check

and show proof

[verbal burrow]

The variant with the highest damage per shot. I would have to desert my post to reach my computer tho

[round geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/sounds-like-bs-load-of-bullshit-sounds-like-bullshit-bullshit-bs-gif-22491873

[verbal burrow]

I have no interest in convincing you, so I would not do that even if I was playing

[toxic cedar]

@austere mica

it’s not perfect ik

[green siren]

it's ok

[toxic cedar]

I fixed my curios tho

the first two aren’t underleveled now

[austere mica]

Ohh

[green siren]

lemme check all that

[austere mica]

Psychic damage

One thing you did right, shock maul blessings

[green siren]

i knew he took speed aura

[toxic cedar]

but they’ve still all fucking sprint efficiency and stamina

I don’t have anything for speed on my maul bc it makes me slower

[austere mica]

Alright

So

[green siren]

ok, we will give you "efficient" build and we will also try to continue your "fuck it, we ball" build

[toxic cedar]

I thought I turned my fuck jt we ball build

into efficient

[austere mica]

Skirmisher sucks ass

[toxic cedar]

wait what

no shot

[green siren]

far from that, but that doesn't matter if u have fun

[austere mica]

Exploit weakness is mid as hell and not worth it

[toxic cedar]

you need to be lying to me

which one is exploit weakness

I already forgot

[round geyser]

its true pal skirmisher does suck

[orchid nova]

the one where you crit

[austere mica]

Twinned blast also sucks

[orchid nova]

and they get 10% brittle

[toxic cedar]

I will be honest some of them are purely just so I can get to other perks bc of the weird lines you need to connect to them

[orchid nova]

Yeah but it's funny

[toxic cedar]

ok that is probably true ngl

[orchid nova]

The alternative to exploit weakness is +25 Toughness

which is a lot

[toxic cedar]

ok ok so get rid of skirmisher, twinned blast and exploit weakness?

[austere mica]

You should path through confirmed kill close order drill instead of one motion tactical reload

[orchid nova]

Like, how often do you think your melee crit?

[toxic cedar]

what does exploit weakness do

[austere mica]

Brittleness on crits

It’s rending but a debuff

[orchid nova]

it caps at 20, half of what normal brittleness does

[toxic cedar]

honestly no idea I use my maul electro stun things and then one shot them w Skullcrusher

[green siren]

dudes u overwhelm him

[toxic cedar]

no I am just whelmed

[orchid nova]

your base crit rate is...5% I think?

[toxic cedar]

probably

[orchid nova]

I haven't checked vet's

[toxic cedar]

should I put those 3 points to crit

[orchid nova]

but overall, you're not gonna be critting often enough to get much mileage into it

[rare bough]

Yo KillerWhale

[toxic cedar]

my mileage is turning big problems into stunned problems that die fast

[orchid nova]

get iron will

[toxic cedar]

where’s iron will

[rare bough]

Have you met Orcka?

[orchid nova]

yeah

met him today

[rare bough]

You guys should fight

[toxic cedar]

also how is skirmisher bad btw

I still don’t get it

[toxic cedar]

Ty

[orchid nova]

the one above it is huge CDR for killing things

[austere mica]

It’s never up

[toxic cedar]

it is for me

I think?

wdym

[orchid nova]

When it's up it's not against relevant stuff where the extra damage is most important

hordes, maulers, etc

[round geyser]

that profile of yours @orchid nova looks like Kyogre

[toxic cedar]

is extra damage just not important

[orchid nova]

it is but depends on where

[austere mica]

It’s a bad condition for extra damage

[orchid nova]

Is it important against a single trapper you just ran down?

[toxic cedar]

I was wondering why jt was familiar

[orchid nova]

...have you people never seen a killer whale before

[toxic cedar]

well I run run and gun so it just lets me kill and keep sprinting at the same time

[toxic cedar]

wait no I thought he meant @austere mica

which looks like smthn out of monster hunter

[rare bough]

If you and Orcka fight it'll be indisputable who the real killer whale is

no one will ever make fun of you again

[round geyser]

i've seen a killer whale aka an Orca

[toxic cedar]

ok what other perks should I remove

besides skirmisher

also which perks should I get on the way to iron will

[green siren]

delete these

[orchid nova]

Frankly none of them are great

[toxic cedar]

thank you

[green siren]

and get these

[austere mica]

Something like this

[orchid nova]

For the Emperor is a little damage spike

[austere mica]

(Picks most of the same stuff)

[orchid nova]

but it's too inconsistent IMO

Keep their Heads Down exists

[green siren]

we will overwhelm him

[toxic cedar]

Oh my god that’s what exploit weakness does?

[orchid nova]

and Born Leader..also exists

Yup

[toxic cedar]

I didn’t even know I had that

lmao alr

ok ok but what ab the perks on the way to iron will

I got 3 talent points rn

[green siren]

here

[orchid nova]

Take For the Emperor ig

[toxic cedar]

ok nice

[orchid nova]

do not take borne leader

take the middle red one

[green siren]

no

[orchid nova]

they're all mid as fuck but the left one is the middest of the mid

[toxic cedar]

I do wish I had enough for demolition team ngl

[green siren]

u can delete one which refreshes ur grenade every min

and take that one

[toxic cedar]

oo

[green siren]

but it only useful on damnation+

where elites are abundant

on heresy they are equal to each other

[toxic cedar]

oh wait nvm then

if it’s 5% for only elite or specials

than nah

10% I’d be tempted but not that low

[orchid nova]

It works occasionally

[toxic cedar]

yeah I don’t do occasions

[orchid nova]

it's better rn to take both than usual because of Beast of Nurgle fun time

[green siren]

trust me it's a lot, because kills from ally count too

[toxic cedar]

hm

[orchid nova]

What difficulty do you play?

[toxic cedar]

is the grenade per minute really that worth

[green siren]

heresy mostly

[toxic cedar]

or is it better to ditch for demo team

[orchid nova]

Grenade per minute is more consistent, which I value

[toxic cedar]

bc I use alot of nades

[green siren]

on heresy - they are equal
on damnation and further - demolition

[toxic cedar]

I also have the perk that refills my nades on ammo boxes

[toxic cedar]

fuck I hate choosing between things

can someone else decide

[orchid nova]

Just take the stockpile for now

[toxic cedar]

someone roll like a dice or something

heads or tails

[orchid nova]

you have to think about it less

[toxic cedar]

no can do

[orchid nova]

demolition team is good but you have to look at your grenades more

sometimes it just actually screws you

[toxic cedar]

wdym

[orchid nova]

I've had a game where all damnation run I got nothing from it

and I killed so many elites you have no idea

[toxic cedar]

oh wait you mean friendly fire or smthn

[austere mica]

For weapons try something like this, deadly accurate enables very consistent oneshots with Weapon Specialist, and flak Cara for Smaul leans into what it’s supposed to do, fuck up mixed horde

I left run n gun because it’s a preference thing

[toxic cedar]

I thought I’d be using surgical tbh on the bolt

and yeah run n gun is probably staying

[austere mica]

You already have confirm crits

[toxic cedar]

what

thought my crit was 5%

[austere mica]

Weapon specialist stacks give 33% ranged crit chance per

Stab 3 things

[toxic cedar]

also I don’t think deadly accurate will help much bc hitting heads is a little harder on a bolt gun

maybe im crazy

[austere mica]

Garunteed gun crit

[orchid nova]

Isn't it just

33%

[toxic cedar]

right yeah

[green siren]

per 1 stack

[orchid nova]

and the stacks are consumed per shot

[green siren]

yes

but killing things 3 times isn't hard

[orchid nova]

or does that stack too

idr

[toxic cedar]

or hit 3 ppl in one swing

[austere mica]

Stacks are 5 seconds after you pull and the crit is eaten

[austere mica]

Need 3 kills

[toxic cedar]

Oh

alr

but what else can I substitute for deadly accurate

[green siren]

lemme see

[toxic cedar]

bc I’m not gonna be hitting a lot of weak spots

on a bolt gun

[austere mica]

The bistol has a bigass head hit box

[toxic cedar]

las pistol yeah but not this thing

oh really

[austere mica]

And DA is a shit ton of damage

[toxic cedar]

how big

[round sentinel]

What do you guys use for the 69%/71% plasma gun for perks, and blessings?

[austere mica]

Larger than normal

[toxic cedar]

fuck it I’ll do it

[austere mica]

It’s revolver sized or something

[austere mica]

Guide in pins

[toxic cedar]

is the ads bug for Bolt gun fixed yet

[round sentinel]

I have it open and it has 2 choices in the doc so I'm not sure which is more meta

[austere mica]

Has been

[round sentinel]

https://i.imgur.com/bqD1Wln.png

[green siren]

i think he unironically can pick gloryhunter, since he doesn't have same talent on his skill tree

[austere mica]

It really doesn’t matter, plasma is broken without blessings

[toxic cedar]

wait what

[rigid mulch]

for the long bomb penance,can i use a shredder frag or does it have to be a normal frag grenade?

[austere mica]

Shredders work

[rigid mulch]

ah

cus i haven't had ANY luck getting it

[austere mica]

You need to blow it up above them

Actual pain

It’s like a 40 m throw with a good angle against horde trash

[rigid mulch]

my vet's level 26 and still doesn't have it
i tried that one strat in chasm logistratum and no dice

[toxic cedar]

oh

wait wtf

[green siren]

so u can take gloryhunter on ur gun to compensate that

[toxic cedar]

can’t I just go the middle rout first

idk why I started on the right area first

fuck

[green siren]

because u said u liked speed

[toxic cedar]

oh

yeah but

well shit

[rigid mulch]

also for volley fire penances
does executioner's stance work too?

[toxic cedar]

the first two perks I don’t really care for

[orchid nova]

SHould

[toxic cedar]

but the movement speed I do

couldn’t I get rid of them and get glorhunter

[green siren]

ok, i will do an optimal build for you, but i will include movement speed in it

[toxic cedar]

dammit I hate this line system

[toxic cedar]

ok ty

I can’t keep track of everything

if I try to redo all of this except for middle column first

I’d probably miss one of the perks I originally had

why the hell did they make this shit a mini game I swear

[orchid nova]

o yeah one sec

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/216

Get this

[toxic cedar]

feels like I gotta play scrabble every time I need a build

[toxic cedar]

I’m on console

[orchid nova]

lets you double click to swap talents and shit

ah

my condolences

[green siren]

i get what u want, speed + more grenades + not be an ass in melee

[toxic cedar]

ye

[toxic cedar]

I think I like my stuff now

but

I just need exactly the first two perks gone

in exchange for gloryhunter

[green siren]

also, why u chose krak grenades over shredder if u have anti-armor melee and anti-armor gun?

[toxic cedar]

damage

[orchid nova]

I suppose for burgles?

Shredder frags are amazing utility tho

[toxic cedar]

uh

[orchid nova]

you're really missing out

[green siren]

ye

[toxic cedar]

don’t shredder do less against armor

[green siren]

it does, but it stuns them good

so u have plenty of time to kill them with maul

also u play on heresy, not a lot of armored enemies there

[toxic cedar]

I do damnation sometimes but I use a way different build for that

[orchid nova]

go to the meat grinder

[green siren]

i am afraid to look at it

[toxic cedar]

used to anyway but I can’t fckn remember it besides the weapons

[orchid nova]

throw one under the crusher

see how far he flies

[green siren]

^

[orchid nova]

the point of frag nades is the huge amount of stagger

[green siren]

like, he just falls down, you have plenty of time to maul him

[orchid nova]

you create so much space

there's literally never a bad time to throw one

[green siren]

and frag grenades also delete horde waves very nice

[toxic cedar]

ok ok is krak better or worse

[orchid nova]

krak is...situational

[green siren]

krak is solely a boss killer

[orchid nova]

if you don't know how to deal with crushers reliably

it's helpful

[toxic cedar]

but it also kills anything else

since I have so many grenades so often why not use them like you would a shredder

I didn’t go for grenadier for nothing yk

[orchid nova]

because krak only kills in like, a tiny radius

[green siren]

ye

[toxic cedar]

they stick to enemies

[orchid nova]

and everything else around them is free to maul you

[green siren]

you will kill 2 dudes if you are ultra lucky

[toxic cedar]

damn

[orchid nova]

I've seen people get 3

but that's because they were all in a doorway

[toxic cedar]

ok im ngl I thought they had a big radius

[orchid nova]

and there was an ogryn compacting them together

[toxic cedar]

shredder yes or no for my current build

[green siren]

yes

[toxic cedar]

ok

[green siren]

i will do all, relax

[toxic cedar]

I am so going to fail at this lmfao

I miss vermintides perk system

so much simpler

[austere mica]

I don’t

You had like

[toxic cedar]

I get why

[austere mica]

3 builds max per character

[orchid nova]

This is a tinkered krak grenade

[toxic cedar]

oh

[orchid nova]

This is how they looked before I threw it

threw it at the right guy's foot

[green siren]

frag grenade would kill them all

[toxic cedar]

oh

[green siren]

(almost)

[toxic cedar]

well shit

ok so

the build im trying to make now

is exactly the same except the first two perks going to middle

[orchid nova]

Here's a shredder

[toxic cedar]

and shredder nade instead

[orchid nova]

note how it's so big it actually staggers people on the other mob over there

[toxic cedar]

neat

[wicked cedar]

📸

[toxic cedar]

I really wish I didn’t need to undo all perks around something just to get it to fit in the lines

[wicked cedar]

you don't

[toxic cedar]

I am not good at crossword puzzles

[orchid nova]

well he's on console

[austere mica]

I would actually die without my mods

[wicked cedar]

unbind like 1-2 vestigial perks, make the connection, then unbind the connection you don't want anymore

[orchid nova]

so he does

swapping a grenade

[toxic cedar]

do you know how painful it is selecting perks on console w a massive drift stick problem

[wicked cedar]

oof.

[austere mica]

Being able to right click the highest perk and unslot the whole tree is essential

[toxic cedar]

like it moves my left stick without ever touching it

almost always

until I like gently move it to the center

it’s so weird

[soft trellis]

I can slightly imagine... I have blisters all over my hands from using my xbox controller for rogue legacy 2 and dungeons of infinity x.x

[austere mica]

You should just get a new stick, they barely cost anything relative to a new controller

[soft trellis]

I have 2 blisters on my left thumb lol

[austere mica]

Just takes a bit to actually pull the old one out

[toxic cedar]

im gonna soon

[soft trellis]

Granted... my xbox controller has 0, or almost 0, drift

[toxic cedar]

mine has like 60 at least

I have to edge my controller to get it to stop drifting

I think my controllers machine spirit is angry with me

[austere mica]

I have a 3rd party pro controller that has been chilling for the last 4+ years

[toxic cedar]

I need whatever holy oils hadron uses

[green siren]

Here.

1. Saved your speed bonuses.
2. Took away field improvisation, but gave u both grenade replenishment talents (1 per minute and 5% on elite kill)
3. Gave you a little bit more survivability while not hurting ur damage.

[toxic cedar]

thank you mister

[soft trellis]

Mine is like... 6-8 years old... I just didn't use it except when I played dark souls... so it's still in almost perfect condition x.x

[toxic cedar]

mines barely a year or so old and it’s already fucked itself

I don’t know how

[soft trellis]

Controllers sometimes just shit themselves or you do something intentionally(when raging(like throwing the controller) or unintentionally that damages them

[austere mica]

This is… interesting

To say the least

[green siren]

i am opened to any critique

[wicked cedar]

why did you give him both of these 'tax' nodes

[soft trellis]

I've had mouses fall apart on me while darktiding due to how much force I put on them sometimes x.x

[austere mica]

Actual insane top tree routing

[green siren]

he desires speed bonuses

[austere mica]

Rest is fine but like

[wicked cedar]

[austere mica]

That top tree is totally insane

[green siren]

i know, but we gathered here to build his skill tree, not optimal one

[soft trellis]

I get that... but not taking confirmed kill is sus

[green siren]

dudes has his fun

[toxic cedar]

hold on

[green siren]

what

i missed it?

one sec

[toxic cedar]

@green siren can I keep my 5% ranged dmg ones

the two on the left sides

[austere mica]

You don’t need them

[green siren]

i took it wtf

[toxic cedar]

whyyy

[austere mica]

They are entirely superfluous, the bistol will hit bp’s without them

[wicked cedar]

games like this operate off of breakpoints

you'll kill stuff in the same amount of hits with or without those perks

[toxic cedar]

ok ok fine

[green siren]

the don't hit any break points (the amount of time who have to shoot to kill something important)

[soft trellis]

Ah, I hadn't seen you post a new build and all I remembered was this <.<'

[round sentinel]

Do you guys think focused fire is worth a point?

[toxic cedar]

I’m redoing my sht now wish me luck

[green siren]

godspeed

[green siren]

what's focused fire

[austere mica]

No

[round sentinel]

I basically have the field medic build from the guide but I want a more damage-y iteration on it

[austere mica]

It is the worst tag subnode

It only ever finds use against bosses

And even then it’s niche

[green siren]

^^^

[soft trellis]

Oof, I get it that not everyone is like me and won't vet without melee attack but... but that hurts my soul lol

the left part is nice tho

[toxic cedar]

Ok this is way weirder than I thought bc your screen looks way different than mine

[austere mica]

After zealot looking past reciprocity hurts

[round sentinel]

ic uhhhh is this node really good? I've never seen a random point put in it before the guide

[austere mica]

25% crit for free

I can’t just walk past

[green siren]

i used skill builder from website

[green siren]

shit

[soft trellis]

just 1 of those makes you have the same stamina regen delay as zealots

[toxic cedar]

base perk tree on console looks way different

[austere mica]

Pretty good

If you have points to spare

[soft trellis]

Now... zealots regenerate stamina 50% faster, so you won't regen at the same rate... just have the same delay time before it starts

[austere mica]

(You usually don’t)

[green siren]

just follow the icons

[austere mica]

Lets you cut from .75 (?) seconds delay to .25 with both

[green siren]

you always have something better to pick

[austere mica]

Very nice if you can spare the points, especially for knife or deadshot builds

[soft trellis]

vets have a 1.0 regen delay at default

[wicked cedar]

i'm pretty sure those are only good if you have a weapon that uses push attacks like knife

[austere mica]

Damn

[wicked cedar]

so its weapon based

[austere mica]

Ogryn sized lung cancer

[soft trellis]

so its 0.5 with both, which is the same regen delay that psykers have

[austere mica]

Deadshot

(Node that makes your gun munch stamina in ADS for crit chance)

[soft trellis]

I still remember when vets had the 1.25 regen delay on stamina... x.x

or was it 1.5 originally? I just remember the 1.25s delay one for sure

[round sentinel]

I have that but I put in Longshot, target Down, and took out the stamina regen node (cuz I wasn't sure about it). So I have 2 extra points. I was thinking of rending strikes

I'm prob gonna run dueling swords and plasma with this so iono

[green siren]

i would rather pick 10% toughness damage reduction

[round sentinel]

instead of rending?

[austere mica]

I wouldn’t

Check the guide for the stuff plasma needs for its breakpoints

They are SUPER finicky

Like

6 points of damage off finicky

[round sentinel]

I have all those nodes except fire team

and the 69/71

[orchid nova]

Speaking of guides...god trying to read you guys guides make me glad I'm an ogryn main

[green siren]

they are very simple once you get the main idea

[toxic cedar]

I don’t know why but it’s hard

[green siren]

only when you start

it will be much easier sooner

[toxic cedar]

I have to recheck if what I’m looking at is right

[toxic cedar]

it’s already done

[austere mica]

If you’ve still got a single spare toss it to Field Improvisation

[round sentinel]

https://i.imgur.com/IIRRHne.png

[toxic cedar]

but I’m questioning myself on the top tree parts

[round sentinel]

is the actual current thing. so you think field improv and

the stamina regen delay value node?

[austere mica]

Sure

Sounds fun

[green siren]

i did that for ur speed bonus
but yes, it is...not the best choice

[austere mica]

Those last two are total personal preference

[round sentinel]

oh

[austere mica]

I would go for reciprocity because zealot brain but do whatever

[toxic cedar]

yeah it’s only 5%

[round sentinel]

if I wanted to be as greedy as possible

what would it be? dueling and plasma

[green siren]

i can get rid of it

[toxic cedar]

I only did tactical reload bc boltguns have a slow reload

[toxic cedar]

I already did it

but idk what to do w the leftover points

[broken spade]

idk what the context is but longshot bad

[round sentinel]

maybe I could get rid of the Target down and go for the melee nodes on the right for 3?

[toxic cedar]

besides field improv maybe

[green siren]

lemme see, 1 sec

[green siren]

NO

[round sentinel]

like desperado

[toxic cedar]

why

[green siren]

it's complete overkill

[austere mica]

That also works

[toxic cedar]

that’s the pointtrr

in damnation nothing is overkill imo

[green siren]

u already have 2 talents for grenade replenishment

[round sentinel]

uhhh I'm trying to make a greedier field medic (from the doc guide) build with duelign sword and plasma

[toxic cedar]

Yeah but corruption cleanse

[austere mica]

As long as you can hit the breakpoints for a weapon and the stuff you want you can just do whatever with the rest

[broken spade]

drop longshot

[austere mica]

Sure there are things you should avoid because they just kind of suck

[broken spade]

useless talent

[green siren]

u get corruption only from poxburster, demonhost and dogs
all 3 can be easily avoided

[austere mica]

Poxwalkers

[toxic cedar]

doesn’t getting downed give you corruption

[austere mica]

Poxwalker melee is corrupting

[green siren]

👁️ 👁️

bro

[toxic cedar]

uh

ok

[austere mica]

Field improv can’t heal that

[toxic cedar]

starting to feel dumber

[broken spade]

Field improve doesn't go past wound thresholds

[green siren]

^^^^^^^

[austere mica]

It can only heal up to the next wound

[toxic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/henry-cavill-geralt-of-rivia-the-witcher-fuck-gif-15913480

[broken spade]

so if you get corrupted past a wound, it won't work

wont bring you out of that wound

[green siren]

it's huge skill issue, this time i say that without clown mode on

[toxic cedar]

that’s some real false advertising ngl

wish it yk stated that sht

[broken spade]

sorry half the things in this game are false advertising

[toxic cedar]

damn

[broken spade]

game descriptions are not trustworthy

[toxic cedar]

I’ve been mislead

backstabbed

[austere mica]

Welcome to FS tooltips

[toxic cedar]

and quite possibly bamboozled

[austere mica]

It’s like this the whole way

[broken spade]

bad descriptions are actually an issue for this game

[green siren]

put these points here @toxic cedar

[toxic cedar]

ok

[austere mica]

Why double grenade regen

[green siren]

because he loves grenades

[austere mica]

60s regen is enough

[toxic cedar]

I do love my nades

[green siren]

it's his personal preference

[austere mica]

I kinda hate how inconsistent demo team is

[toxic cedar]

If I can’t have speed mode than I’ll have my grenades on a silver platter

[green siren]

ye

[austere mica]

I want to know when stuff is going to be back, especially if I only can ever have 3

[broken spade]

shredder nades are good enough to justify double regen if you have the spare point

It is fine as a last luxury pick

[green siren]

let the guy have some fun, he will come to meta later

[austere mica]

I wasn’t correcting it, just asking why

[green siren]

ah

[round sentinel]

Okok yeah I went for the melee nodes with that build. What would you guys recommend for the perk/blessing combo for dueling sword and plasma with this talent tree?

[broken spade]

ok but actually just drop longshot

[toxic cedar]

Wait fuck

[broken spade]

things need to be really far away to get much value out of it

[toxic cedar]

I don’t have the points for demo team

[round sentinel]

oh

[toxic cedar]

what did I fuck up

[round sentinel]

ok uhhh

then i have 1 extra point

lol

[green siren]

is this part correct?

then check this part

[toxic cedar]

yeah

[green siren]

and then this

[toxic cedar]

oh

I got grenadier

uh

ykw

[green siren]

you will have 3 grenades if u chose frag ones

don't worry

delete grenadier

[toxic cedar]

but

4

[green siren]

well, u can do that too

[toxic cedar]

dammit

[green siren]

ok, lemme see what we can chip out

[toxic cedar]

what about the extra ammo one

one the left side

is that needed

I get precision strikes

[green siren]

ye, delete it

[toxic cedar]

but boltguns are p ammo efficient

ok bet

[green siren]

dude was born a grenadier in a wrong era

[toxic cedar]

Ok demo team better be worth it

speed demon grenadier

[green siren]

ye

[toxic cedar]

what can I say

I like going fast and throwing things

im still mad there’s not many options for speed tbh

I played a lot of kerillian in Darktide

Vermintide***

[green siren]

shieldmaiden, i suppose

[toxic cedar]

yeah that shit was fun

being able to dodge through enemies and go very far was great

also Vermintide had better weapons and I’ll never not be convinced of that

[broken spade]

shoulda picked zealot

[toxic cedar]

I mained Ranger veteran with crossbow

[green siren]

ye, he will like zealot

[toxic cedar]

Bardins crossbow is probs one of the best feeling weapons I ever used in a game tbh

[toxic cedar]

also zealot felt more risky

[green siren]

demo team is good if u stick near ur teammates, so their kills could affect ur passive too

[green siren]

huh? he is the most braindead class

after ogryn

[elder fiber]

they mean vt2 I think

[broken spade]

i meant zealot in darktide, not in vermintide2

[green siren]

my point stands, lmao

[toxic cedar]

idk it’s been awhile but I remember shieldmaidens dodge distance is half the reason I played them

I did play a lot of zealot before Bardin got a new class tho

[green siren]

zealot can be built to maximize movement speed
i saw a guy who could outrun mobs with his casual walk

[broken spade]

movement just feels better with zealot cause of twbs. You get stagger immunity and a speed buff when getting hit

this thing on zealot

[green siren]

skill issue talent

[broken spade]

don't worry about how it says melee attacks, it's also immunity to ranged stagger

because fatshark still can't write descriptions

[green siren]

OR

they can write descriptions

[toxic cedar]

sheesh

[green siren]

but write shitty code

[broken spade]

also possible

[toxic cedar]

ok wtf

[broken spade]

they probably flip a coin to decide whether to fuck the description or the code

[green siren]

fucking the code is obligatory for FS

it's a tradition

[broken spade]

people have pointed out the description being wrong for 2 years btw

the talent has existed before talent trees

they ported it over

and didn't fix it

[green siren]

the most fatshark thing i have ever seen

[broken spade]

at this point, i don't think even fatshark knows how it's supposed to work

[green siren]

peak IT

[round geyser]

question why is the cutthroat veteran so.....guarded

[tough tiger]

He gets picked on all the time for mentioning cadia

[junior grail]

Cutthroat needs fixing and is too tsun about it

[frank basin]

stuck in the past

[remote sonnet]

Well, the game took place in the 9th edition, and it is right after Cadia is gone.

It is very much the latest news in Darktide setting.

[thin stone]

Suggest a Recon Lasgun + Devils Claw 4 Tree build

I have all the perks/blessings/stats in order

[lusty sapphire]

I run this with specifically these two weapons

[thin stone]

Wait no shock trooper?

No onslaught?

[lusty sapphire]

I'm fine without

[lucid heart]

weapon specialist build so it doesnt focus on the gun nearly as much

[lusty sapphire]

Also you can switch piss eyes for voc and get shock

I like executioner cause I can kill a bunch in melee, preff F and beam whatever elites appear

Thank's to kraks and the melee rending talents I can also deal with anything in melee. Mauler and crushers are literally a joke

[lucid heart]

u will still be 1 point down bc voc is bad without the toughness boost

[lucid heart]

oh wait i didnt realize what aura u had

my fault

[lusty sapphire]

You can tweak it however you like and go for the survivalist but I like the 10% melee dmg node too much

[lucid heart]

i run combat knife for this build, devil's claw will give u armor problems. but u can shoot literally 90% of the game with little issue with this one as long as u hover the head

i prefer the green lasgun but blue is more dps

[lusty sapphire]

I like this variant too. Lasbeaming heads in a horde and killing everyone

[lucid heart]

and actually im not sure if blue lasgun meets the one shot breakpoint for groaners

[lusty sapphire]

If you run the brown one you also get some cleave btw

[lucid heart]

yea it got 3 cleave

all the lasguns are pretty nice

[lusty sapphire]

I like the way they changed them. Not gimmicky anymore

[lucid heart]

i play best with the green one on vet

[remote sonnet]

I prefer the brown one because it is more reliable at longer range.

[lucid heart]

the blue one shoots a hail of bullets but holy shit sometimes its hard to see anything lol

definitely the most dps of the bunch though

hail of las*

[remote sonnet]

Not that I like to use it for long range, but able to take out some of the targets quickly before jumping in is a safe play.

[lucid heart]

the cleave on the tan makes picking targets through hordes easier

i think its noticeably less ammo efficient though

green and blue shoot like 2-3 crits every single time they crit, im not sure if the tan one does the same

[remote sonnet]

I don't even pick any of the left nods, and I find it works just fine.

[lucid heart]

definitely good as a standalone gun

i ran it on gun psyker for a bit

[remote sonnet]

Though to be fair, I switch between melee and gun very often for the weapon specialist.

[lucid heart]

yea

the build i suggested is prioritizing shooting

an unhealthy amount of shooting

the amount of shooting that literally gets you kicked from lobbies

[remote sonnet]

I used to do that, but pass heresy difficulty, it is a little hard to keep on. It's just me.

[inland orchid]

If I had a nickel everytime a gunker got kicked from my squads

[lucid heart]

ive ran it on auric damn

[inland orchid]

I’d be broke

[lucid heart]

its not the strongest build but it can hold its own

definitely a different style of play, holding left click perma

[inland orchid]

There are a rarity for me but the moment one does show up I love ammo muling for them

Ammo stash for me? Na pass it to the gunker I got survivalist for a reason

[lusty sapphire]

The opposite actually. 10 more dmg and more ammo and cleave

[lucid heart]

tan consumes 2 ammo per shot though

you can get more value out of it but you lose benefits from headhunter and onslaught

[lusty sapphire]

Ah I forgot about that

[lucid heart]

tan would be insane if it consumed 1 per shot

imagine the value

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[remote sonnet]

I love the brown one for damage at range, and, more of personal preference, to go easy on my ears.

[lucid heart]

i like the brown one for normal builds

but the green and blue are big money on a build focusing on the recon itself

[remote sonnet]

Pretty much

I'm to lazy to redo my nodes, so I use one that I can rotate between weapons with minimal drawback.

[lucid heart]

talent nodes?

[remote sonnet]

I just quit the game, can't remember everything.

[lucid heart]

oh

i was going to ask if youve already made loadouts

so you dont have to move your talent nodes as much when switching guns

[inland orchid]

He’s saying he don’t wanna redo the nodes on vet since the revamping of their tree kinda just, deleted the loadout

Which is understandable

[lucid heart]

oohh thats what you mean

[remote sonnet]

But pretty much
tac reload (because I like to use some long reload guns)
Krak
Fire team
VoC
Then 3/4 of the right tree and a few of the middle

[inland orchid]

I personally reput the talents back but not everyone has the time or effort for that

[lucid heart]

well i dont think it takes too long

[inland orchid]

Especially if u got multiple builds

[lucid heart]

just pick what sounds good

i had 7 vet builds when they wiped the trees 😭

more loadout slots mod my beloved

[remote sonnet]

Oh, and Specialist, but no upgrade on it.

[fast sundial]

weapon spec is cool for a melee focus build

and/or one where you use your ranged for mobility

start every engagement with 15% extra attack speed (beautiful)

[lucid heart]

weapon spec is hella strong in general

[fast sundial]

indeed

[lucid heart]

zealot vet

vealot

[fast sundial]

it allows for some funny things

"oh no i missed the 2-shot on the crusher"
the dastardly zarona revolver with a guaranteed hand cannon crit about to make an appearance for 0.3s:

SIGMAR BLESS THIS SHOT

[inland orchid]

I played versus for the 1st time yesterday

Was nice being rat

[fast sundial]

crazy how zarona actually used to be an ult in vt2

and now we get 5 shots of it? in a row?

truly we are spoiled

[lucid heart]

DEAD, NOT ALIVE

[lucid heart]

and we have another variant of it in the form of the plasma gun

[verbal burrow]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OXQwx1EolD8&pp=ygUOd2UncmUgdGhlIHJhdHM%3D

[fast sundial]

I'll take a uhh plasma but skip the reload (like, ever)

[fast sundial]

it is mildly slower to deploy but it shoots very goodly

[lucid heart]

plasma deploys stupidly fast for how strong it is

[fast sundial]

WAR FUNDING

real

bolter minus ammo problems, reload time and draw time

it's just peak

[lucid heart]

and yet the boltgun is still awesome

how does fatshark do it

[verbal burrow]

Surgical

[lucid heart]

i was thinking more because of gunfeel than mechanics but yeah surgical is strong

despite its ammo and chunky handling its still a fun weapon that feels great to use

[verbal burrow]

Also the game was made for masochists so the bolter reload is clearly for edgers

[inland orchid]

If failure excites masochists call me a fanatic

[dull sigil]

Me with the plasma gun

[cedar pecan]

what are the current optimal plasma gun perks

I haven't played since before the unlocked update

[verbal burrow]

That depends on whether your goal is to hit certain breakpoints, like the big man, or to keep the team alive and buffed, like me

[cedar pecan]

breakpoints I suppose?

[inland orchid]

I like rending on shot and “gets hot” blessings so if somehow my 1st shot doesn’t kill them

Either I can shoot again or let the squad finish the job

[cedar pecan]

this is what I saw on youtube

[green willow]

which youtube

[verbal burrow]

Ammo should be 80% tbh

You can ask @tall torrent about the funny percentage numbers it should have

He likes a certain amount of thermal resistance to get an extra number of shots, and then dumps the rest into charge rate

Personally I just did everything 80% except Charge Rate

As for builds, I did https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d80cb7d-d15e-4932-b702-d3ee3d4e5f19/captain-toughness-4

But that's very specifically

[cedar pecan]

just the two top results had this build on

[verbal burrow]

In general youtube is the one thing that will get people here to start behaving like Amsterdammers

Because mentioning youtube guides triggers their PTSD about bad youtube guides, and then the longbeards must grumble grimly

[tall torrent]

Check the pinned guide

[grand perch]

covering fire? spending 2 points for out for blood? TDR instead of the stamina regen delay node in the lower left tree? not a build i'd recommend

[cunning loom]

59hrs of gameply later after saving 95% of every coin i earned i FINALLY unlocked the legendary killshot uniform 😭😭😭

[placid portal]

Damn

[odd sparrow]

Rending is worthless on plasma. It already has good armor piercing

[inland orchid]

it aint for me most of the time

its for the squadmates

wait shit thats brittleness debuff

wtv

[terse idol]

Yeyahh it ain't good

[inland orchid]

fine by me i appreicate the headsup tho

[tough flower]

So the ghost blessing makes you immune to ranged attack after a weakspot hit

Does that trigger desperado?

As in, does it count as a dodge

Or is more than you just ignore incoming fire

[ancient path]

im considering leveling up recon las. how are they rn? p alright?

[tall torrent]

Against ranged attacks, yes

[tough flower]

Hmm

I'll have to test whether it does trigger desperado

I ask because I'm trying out a melee heavy build with a laspistol as a sort of "ranged enemies go away" tool and a crit is one-shotting shotgunners

[tame lodge]

They are alright yeah
Doesn't take all your ammo to kill a single enemy anymore

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tough flower]

I like them a lot

Can absolute melt bosses with the expected talents

But Onslaught is a big key for them

[ancient path]

thats fun

i just wish the agripnna infantry autogun was a little 🤏 better

[tough flower]

The iags always look good in other's hands but the recoil turns me off of them

[ancient path]

the graia(?) fucks

[slow spade]

Remember to put shock trooper on your recon :p

Brought a helbore into a damnation without shocktrooper lmao

[frank basin]

i got tricked

i thought they didn't rough up bug

[ancient path]

i kinda wanna try the lasbors just to have a sniper feel

[slow spade]

I did fine with them in my runs

I used the mk4 which has the shitty bayonet but good damage per charged shot

[tough flower]

They're decent, yeah

Used them for the executioners stance penances

I like the balanced one

Can't discount how good the good bayonet is

[slow spade]

The shit bayonet still killed trash in 1 hit on head for me

So still serviceable

[ancient path]

god this team im in lmfao

ppl who spam ping on them being down while the team is dealing with a swarm of crushers + a boss is really something

[slow spade]

I spam revive on them

They get what they deserve

[ancient path]

im fighting 2 crushers and dodging a mutant and bottom damage knife voc vet is spamming he got trapped

[wild vortex]

Tbf freeing netted teammates is always helpful

Because it takes so little time and they'll be of SOME help at least

[ancient path]

it is but im playing execution stance fighting off crushers and a mutant and theres a horde inbetween me and him because hes a knife player

id love to clear up the horde but i have no ammo because he kept taking all the large ammo and dying

dude took two large ammos then immediately actually died

[wild vortex]

I feel more people should be like me and just accept that they can't use Knives

[hearty panther]

last night i got netted pretty much the same instant a burster took out two teammates, so one guy left. and he struggled a bit but survived and picked up the other two first, then spent the next bit apologizing profusely for not noticing i was netted and freeing me first

but like

i wasnt stressing it lmao

if i wanted to dictate the clutch he pulled, i shouldve not been netted

[ancient path]

i swear ill help you bro but im getting fucking jumped rn

[hearty panther]

it worked out, it's fine

[hollow ibex]

my favorite is when i get netted

a teammate clearly has time to unnet me

but is instead farming poxwalkers instead

and then sets of a barrel, causing me to cook to death

who needs heretics when you've got teammates like that

[hearty panther]

just dont get netted

ez fix

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-duh-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-donald-kimball-gif-14910705

[hearty panther]

ur welcom

[tawny badger]

do yall know any weapons I can switch the power sword out for

because having to power the thing is getting me killed

[tall torrent]

Rashad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.13_-_12.57.55.43.mp4?ex=673676d1&is=67352551&hm=68c82723d28b4d4353ad9c06cad9774e6613cbc72b43d320e30c5e58fa8ffc68&

[hearty panther]

the trusty shovel

[hollow ibex]

i really wished mk1 had more cleave

[tawny badger]

damn your shoves can actually interrupt ragers?

their fuckass combo just powers through anything and everything I do

[hollow ibex]

that's PA

[tall torrent]

Push attack can

[glass summit]

what is the best modificator you can put on the power sword ?

not the big perk

i have trust and ppower cypher 4 lol i just want to know whats the best in therm of the little ones

[tall torrent]

Check the pinned guide

[tawny badger]

flak elite imo

[arctic rampart]

brutal momentum & power cycler. << edit : check guide for perks >>

if you're shit at hitting heads you could take sunderer or something else instead of brutal momentum. its a massive damage dropoff though

[pseudo fiber]

After using the vigiliant auto guns for a while the 3 round burst one feels bad

[idle swallow]

make the 3 round burst speed and delay match the halo 3 BR and I'll be cookin with it

[tawny badger]

HOLY SHIT?

https://tenor.com/view/renuu-thanos-rest-peaceful-gif-20831938

I can finally rest

[vagrant whale]

i hate these fuckin penance

[tawny badger]

I did it on accident

also thank fuck grimoire corruption doesnt count

[thin stone]

What ranged weapon goes best with Devil's claw?

[tawny badger]

anything with good armor piercing

the usual

revolver, plasma gun

[vagrant whale]

how’d you do On Overwatch by accident

[thin stone]

Infantry Autogun?

[arctic rampart]

the best ranged weapons aka plasma, zerona, IAG

[thin stone]

I did it on purpose

[vagrant whale]

[tawny badger]

oh you know

[thin stone]

What is something that would not go well with it? recon lasgun?

[tawny badger]

it also helps that it was a low intensity shock gauntlet

[vagrant whale]

dirty dirty dirty

[tawny badger]

ey man if it works

[vagrant whale]

[tall torrent]

Wtf

[arctic rampart]

recon with onslaught is ok, if you like recon do it you're fine

[tall torrent]

Take inspiring presence off NOW

[thin stone]

Path about to grill someone

[tawny badger]

this is my support build dawg 😭

[thin stone]

[tall torrent]

Surely giving teammates 0.75 more toughness per second at full coherency when they’re not engaged in melee is gonna matter

[arctic rampart]

quick get the toughness blessing on plasma asap omggg you'll buff your scrub allies so good

you need born leader too!

oh wait, you have it

[vagrant whale]

mmm .75

hugeee difference

[arctic rampart]

remove inspiring presence and take field improv for me dangit

[pseudo fiber]

that will support your team way more

[tawny badger]

you're not gonna believe this

[arctic rampart]

hah, he's right though. why take inspiring presence instead of like demo team : D

[pseudo fiber]

what's the curio value for real +3 stam now btw?

[arctic rampart]

nice. someone (YT vid?) told me that it applied to any crate anyone drops. but I've literally never even tried it.

[pseudo fiber]

that's trye

[tawny badger]

field improv applies to all crates

but also taking advice from YT videos

https://tenor.com/view/stank-dog-smells-gif-25356900

[arctic rampart]

I just said I never tried it.

[pseudo fiber]

I take advice from opening the game and seeing it

[tall torrent]

Field improv is good
But usually not necessary

[vagrant whale]

i dont take advice

I just do

[tawny badger]

don't need to take advice if you never play the game

[vagrant whale]

exactly

wait what

[arctic rampart]

I would take field improv if I ever queued with friends in this game. but all my friends quit this game like 2 months after release. random queue 4 life

[tawny badger]

maybe my eyes don't work but where the fuck is inspiring presence

[grand perch]

take it in auric maelstrom with extra grenades modifier. watch ogryn yield several hydrobombs worth of explosive power in his pocket and ammo kit

[arctic rampart]

its that useless keystone between iron will and demo team

I mean, I guess it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. I'm helping 😄

[tawny badger]

oh

I thought it had an actual icon

[grand perch]

it doesnt deserve one

[vagrant whale]

its quite useless

[tawny badger]

tbh yeah I can probably take that off and pick up exhilirating takedown

lawbringer shotgun btw

[tall torrent]

It’s dogshit, do not ever take it

[thin stone]

Man in melee only missions, the devil's claw sucks soooo bad

[thin stone]

The ones where you can't have ammo pickups

[tall torrent]

Low flak adm

[tawny badger]

the parry in question:

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-dennis-scream-gif-22158148

[thin stone]

@tall torrent What ranged weapon would pair best with plasma sword? The Recon Lasguns?

[tall torrent]

It’s just not good for that mode lol

[tall torrent]

What is a plasma sword

[arctic rampart]

melee only.. is that like self flagellation?

[thin stone]

Power sword

Mb

[tawny badger]

what melee weapon.. would pair best.. with the plasma sword

[tall torrent]

“What melee weapon would pair best with power sword?”

Are you sure you’re arranging these words properly

[thin stone]

Sorry I am tweakin

[tawny badger]

aren't we all

[thin stone]

Best ranged weapon with the power sword

[arctic rampart]

ANOTHER power sword

[thin stone]

The plasma sword is a weapon in Warframe

[arctic rampart]

duel wield those fuckers

[tawny badger]

my return to warframe was just

• boot the game up after literal months of inactivity
• buy ember heirloom skin
• never touch warframe again

[arctic rampart]

I want to power sword akimbo and twirl through an army of knife zealots accidentally slaying them all

[tall torrent]

Anything

Power sword is budget melee

You can run it basically with any gun

[tawny badger]

power sword is one of if not the most versatile melee weapons in the game

provided you aren't rudely interrupted during the charge

that's the one thing I hate about it

[arctic rampart]

How good are you at the game? Are there things you struggle with on the PS currently?

[serene sage]

why is darktide server always so fucking shit?

it's only in this game too

[tawny badger]

I win more than I lose idk

and the one thing I struggle with on the PS is how ass the charge mechanic is

[arctic rampart]

    Sprint Speed: [-0.2 - 0.8]
    Dodge Distance: [0.89 - 0.96]
    Dodge Limit: [3 - 4]
    Dodge Speed: [1.05 - 1.15]
``` the zarona (https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/quickdraw-stub-revolver/zarona-mk-iia-quickdraw-stub-revolver) is extremely mobile and good at killing difficult to reach elites, so it could be an option to pair with PS.  but personally I like to pair plasma gun with it.  then again I pair plasma with everything lul

[thin stone]

How to deal with this problem?

[tawny badger]

• not get hit
• use another weapon

[serene sage]

im just so mad
the problem with not getting hit is that the servers are ran by a fucking hamster

[arctic rampart]

well they fixed the "use charge when its already charged" bug so PS is usable again

[tall torrent]

It’s been bad since U&L update

[tawny badger]

error code 2014 ⁉️

[arctic rampart]

you're not kidding ! my weapon doesnt swap so often each game its really annoying

[serene sage]

like 3-4 people in my game got disconnected

while I'm having really really bad lag and desync

and yeah error 2001 or 2004 or whatever like once in 4-5 games

which is kinda bad

[arctic rampart]

I swear I got lagswitched yesterday twice. Just went from yellow full toughness to fucking dead lagspikes

I'm on the west coast though.. think I might be getting EU servers occasionally somehow