veteran-class

[hearty panther]

really recommend block eff on your curios

cause your only recourse is blocking for long enough to regen your dodges at some point

[ancient path]

hardly a dodge but a corpses step back

[hearty panther]

and that point happens a lot

[ancient path]

good idea

[hearty panther]

if youre using the MKVI

it has some silly high innate block efficiency

[ancient path]

ya the mkvi

[hearty panther]

so ya may as well double down on that niche

plus youre spamming the push attack a lot, probably

[uncut pebble]

You're also block canceling with the mk6 a lot.

That block eff is gonna catch you regardless.

[pliant prawn]

weapons that require block canceling

🤢

[hollow ibex]

it actually works pretty well

[pliant prawn]

i just hate it

[hollow ibex]

fair enough

[pliant prawn]

would rather lmb spam or heavy spam

[tall torrent]

Rashad 24/7

[hollow ibex]

not many weapons like that tbh

[pliant prawn]

or anything that isnt block canceling

like heavy light or light heavy

[hollow ibex]

then yeah rashad's your boi

for light spam

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.13_-_12.57.55.43.mp4?ex=673676d1&is=67352551&hm=68c82723d28b4d4353ad9c06cad9774e6613cbc72b43d320e30c5e58fa8ffc68&

[pliant prawn]

actually i kinda hate lightspam too lol

rip lmb

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword mk9 24/7

[vapid nacelle]

shovel

[pliant prawn]

i think i just found my new fav ranged weapon (bolt pistol)

how is this thing any different than the boltgun? other than only 1 firing mode and less mag capacity

[vapid nacelle]

damage

[hearty panther]

Shovel psyker when

nah its the exact same round

[tall torrent]

It’s worse for breakpoints, killing elite waves and doing boss damage
But it makes frag spam go crazy

[hearty panther]

i wonder if theyll ever give it pinning fire

[frank basin]

It wouldn’t work recoil kick high

The buff would disappear short duration

[vapid nacelle]

Queued into an auric mael lobby with a Psyker using a white 300 heavy sword... 🙁

[frank basin]

Grey heavy sword

Unfortunate

Or possible he want leveling it up

[vapid nacelle]

I mean leveling it up is fair

but on auric mael is kinda wild

[frank basin]

That psyker want some ball of steel

[hallow drift]

It would be admirable if it didn’t mean everyone else had to pick up the slack and carry them

[tribal tangle]

What are the best blessings for magdumping with bolter?

[hearty panther]

its not blaze away is it

does it have that or did i fever dream it

[thin stone]

What are good blessings and perks for helbore las

And what mark is good?

[molten hound]

how do you spawn the trials in the creature spawner mod?

[broken spade]

enable ai respawn

[molten hound]

yeah

figured it out

[green willow]

what melee is best to deal with bulwarks

[frank basin]

shredder grenade

plasma go through their shield

[hearty panther]

one in each fist

[broken spade]

voice of command

[frank basin]

multiple bulwark is annoying

[orchid hemlock]

shock maul

[hearty panther]

kraks are the real answer, the other answer is you just gotta learn em

[orchid hemlock]

lit just alt attack their shields, try it in the psykanium

[green willow]

i wish punching with the knife worked

[frank basin]

is like punch your fist on brick wall

you know powersword uncharged can do small stagger on bulwark when hitting their shield

[vapid nacelle]

wasn't the coo lthing about bolt pistol how it could boost grenade radius

[tame lodge]

The blessing Lethal Proximity

[green willow]

actually?

[vapid nacelle]

how does this work

throw the grenade and then swap to the pistol before it explodes?

[tame lodge]

Just have the blessing iirc

[vapid nacelle]

oh really?

[tame lodge]

Doesn't matter if you're holding the Bistol

[broken spade]

yeah you don't need to actually pull out the gun

[vapid nacelle]

crap I love my grenade spam

I'm hopping on this train

[green willow]

insane

[broken spade]

hits the entire psykanium

[green willow]

i also am trying the grenademaxx build

[vapid nacelle]

I hope this isn't nerfed/fixed 🙏

[worldly pulsar]

It turns shredders into WMDs

[karmic musk]

Another bug I assume?

[tame lodge]

It's a feature until FS acknowledges as a bug

[vapid nacelle]

There are no bugs in Warhammer 40,000: Darktide

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iqGAqYZrwsxo-_dGh?invite=cr-MSx0dWksMTA3NDAxNTczLA

shits been around for ages thankfully I fucked with it and found out

[vapid nacelle]

🙏

I had 0 interest in the boltpistol until now

[orchid hemlock]

is there a way to convert plasteel to dia?

[austere mica]

Roll for a melk plasteel find contract, find plasteel in mission, use melk credits to buy a weapon, salvage

[orchid hemlock]

oh so nothing

[vapid nacelle]

okay I'm loving the bistol

I fully understand the hype and I would like to consider myself part of it

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's pretty decent NOW

[grand perch]

i mean its arguably not a bug, it states +25% explosion range, no strings attached. so why wouldnt it work on nades

[broken spade]

it's not really intuitive and that's kinda not how most things work in this game

They've patched out a lot of blessing interactions that used to work globally without changing how they're worded.
And the ones that remain still usually require you to hold out the weapon

that being said, it's too goofy to fix, pls let us keep it fatshark

[hazy prawn]

Anybody have any munitorum shovel builds for vet on hi intensity auric damnation?

It’s one of the last weapons I have left to level up and rarely use it, got slapped around a little more than I’d like on a previous mission and don’t want to hold my team back using it

I only play auric damnation+ and am struggling to find a way to get it to work well

[waxen glen]

Whats people's preferred plasma gun dumpstat?

[hollow ibex]

this is pretty much it

gonna struggle still with the massive hordes you get on high intensity though

[grand perch]

Poke em, stun em, stick em in a stew

[hollow ibex]

Perfect is 69 thermal, 71 charge rate, 80 everything else

plasma copypasta

[waxen glen]

69 f'real?

[grand perch]

For non-fold shovel you have to remember the push attack is your most effective single target attack

[hazy prawn]

With my current setup I can clear all trash pretty easily but a single armor enemy gets in there and I’m fucked

[hollow ibex]

yes

[waxen glen]

How come?

[hazy prawn]

Yeah I always do it for damage, I try to add in the poke forward attack but it just isn’t worth it compared to shove attack

[hollow ibex]

you need to use push attack for single target dps

[hollow ibex]

cauliflower cat can prob explain the exact logic but i think it has to do with the number of shots you can fire consecutively

[hazy prawn]

Just auric hi intensity hordes are so thick it’s difficult to be able to hold them with the shovel, I’m trying gunfighter with it to be able to switch between melee and ranged for elites which works
Til I run out of ammo

[grand perch]

With uncanny strike stacks up, that's decent damage. It helps to have krak nades when your gun isn't fit to deal with armour

[hazy prawn]

Funny enough I rarely used them as I felt them too big a crutch and it’s the last penance I have for vet is to get 500 armor kills with them

So I guess I should start using them more
Would probably make a big difference in performance

[grand perch]

You can also throw down 2 shredder nades to deal with armour and mixed hordes if you don't feel like using krak

[tall torrent]

68+ decimal in thermal resist gives 8 continuous shots from 0% heat instead of 7, so I recommend 69 thermal resist for safety sake
Charge rate affects left click’s pre-fire delay therefore firerate, so it’s not a dump stat and u want as high as possible (which there’s only room for 71~72)
Plasma actually needs very high damage & stopping power stats to hit breakpoints
Ammo roll too low = you don’t get 1/3 shot worth of ammo back from each survivalist proc

Overall:
69% thermal resist
71% charge rate
80% everything else

[waxen glen]

Thank you thats perfect

I'll have something to hunt for now

[hollow ibex]

we need a bot that provides this response everytime someone asks for plasma stats

[earnest bone]

If it's not mixed with crushers or many maulers, you should be able to hold your ground with Uncanny+Decimator mk1 shovel and heavy attacks

if its mixed

throw a frag or krak (at armor)

[hazy prawn]

Figured

[waxen glen]

If you could just pin it I wouldn't ask..

[hollow ibex]

technically is pinned

it's all in the guide in the first pin 😉

[waxen glen]

That guide?

[hazy prawn]

I was using shredder grenades to try and just bleed as much as possible and let my shovel cleave the rest but the enemy pool hp is too high for it

[hollow ibex]

yes from cauliflower cat

[waxen glen]

Kay bookmarked

[grand perch]

Cauliflower cat is my favourite avant garde punk rock band

[vapid nacelle]

this 30 +9 zealot clutched up the end of silo cluster with me and frankly I WISH I could have more teammates like them, they were great

also was my first match using bolt pistol

feels great

[vivid silo]

Personally I prefer dumping Ammo, but then again, I probably use it differently that 90% of users.

[junior grail]

Weapon Specialist?

[vivid silo]

Yeah, and usually 60%+ of my damage is melee damage if I don't have to carry the entire squad

Charge rate matters more to me for reducing my reaction time than Ammo does, since I don't really run out ever

And maxxed Thermal allows for using a charged shot instead of an uncharged shot as the last shot before reaching 100 heat. Not always useful, but more useful than Ammo i won't need

Only caveat is the no-ammo Maelstroms, where I max Ammo

[somber adder]

But my optimal 69/71 split

^People when someone has fun with a build and make it work too

[junior grail]

A good melee Vet player is no joke, should not be overlooked

[dry cloak]

Melee vet

Is good

Antax plus db or combat shotgun. Have fun

[split bison]

I love the Bolt Pistol so much, it's so damn good.

Best feeling Bolt-Weapons I've ever had in a shooter.

[agile stag]

would that be considered good stat distro?

melk have it for chocolate coins

[pseudo fiber]

Stability is dump stat

[agile stag]

dang

back to grind i go 😄

[merry coral]

What's everyone opinion on the Slug shotty ?

[clever hedge]

Lho stick, be sure to get her a fresh pack

[clever hedge]

Mid

[merry coral]

Yeah, I'd love to like it, tried it yesterday finally, and uh. Yeah I'd rather have a revolver

I was underwhelmed

[lusty sapphire]

What do you think I should do here? Demo team? Bring it down? Melee dmg node?

[merry coral]

depends on what you're using

demo team is always nice to have, if you're lucky, last node on your keystone is nice too

I like to take the extra range/melee dmg when using VoC

[lusty sapphire]

I'm playing around with this

Nades were not really a problem

I feel like maybe the melee is a bit weak overall so

I want to try rampage+scrusher on the dc see how it fares. I'll go for demo team for now

[rocky jacinth]

I think you should spend that one point on getting frags and survivalist instead, and then swap out exploit weakness because it's awful

unless you're doing the penance in which case godspeed

[lusty sapphire]

Nah i don't care about penances. The thing is i'm rocking 3 17% toughness curious so i didn't wanna "waste" a point on more toughness

[rocky jacinth]

It's more toughness though

[lusty sapphire]

True but voc+ all toughness curios and I end up with lowest dmg most times lol

[rocky jacinth]

also to be fair you might actually need kraks for that loadout

[lusty sapphire]

I do have kraks

I'd fold like a paper towel when 5 crushers rush me

[rocky jacinth]

yeah, but I just told you to get rid of them

[lusty sapphire]

Ah, i wouldn't have regardless tbf, i have another build for frag spam

[grand perch]

you should definitely switch the point from exploit weakness to the 25 toughness node to its right in any case

[umbral scaffold]

Oh btw to the people that complained yesterday about how “my advice “ is wrong…. If you think it’s wrong then maybe you should start helping those that ya know…. Ask for help and not bitch and complain like a bunch of man children … and Further more ( if someone just asks for a build for a specific weapon and ONLY that weapon) I’m going to give them a build for said weapon not a universal build for their playstyle mkay

[broken gazelle]

The way I look at it, all advice is right and wrong at the same time.

I've taken advice from person A,
then person B says the complete opposite.
And person C thinks A and B are wrong

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah I had a build made up cause the new player was like…. Hey I need a sword build… never mentioned primary or his ability’s he uses … I gave him one and everyone said it was bad

[umbral scaffold]

If anything I would say…. Just take it bit by bit and use the small advice that is “good” on offer…. But experiment on your own

Only really ask for advice if you’re unknown about a build or a class

[broken gazelle]

My build is probably considered bad by meta players
But it gets me through matches so it's good enough for me.

[umbral scaffold]

I did so with Joker and me and him helped each other out, my psycher build I set up for quell cancel runs disrupt destiny which out dps his old build immensely so having a buddy to help co inside small competition but also just helpful advice on a class you don’t main helps immensely in the long run

[queen fox]

The only bad builds are builds I say are bad tbh

[broken gazelle]

I could probably optimise mine a little
But there's a few talents I hate to give up haha

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah for me I always felt grenade regen was a must till I switched to grenade on elite kill by 5% it’s small but it made me also utilize nades more conservatively and better as a resource

[broken gazelle]

I really like Field Improv but I know I could realistically get rid of it

[umbral scaffold]

Here is my sniper build currently

[slow spade]

to be fair, grenade spam is very helpful

can't go wrong as long as you use them

[broken gazelle]

I'm working on Armourbane so stuck to using Krak for a while longer

Think I finally hit the halfway mark

[umbral scaffold]

I do spam sometimes but I just learn to at least use them right

[broken gazelle]

No keystone, very interesting

[verbal burrow]

everything 80 except stability, then lament that it is a helbore

[umbral scaffold]

Don’t need one for sniper build plus helps makes it more flexible and not restrictive

[broken gazelle]

What site do you use for this?

[umbral scaffold]

I just used on my phone darktide builder

https://darktide.gameslantern.com

[broken gazelle]

Weird
It doesn't display properly for me

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmm

[broken gazelle]

Looks like it's permanently glowing

[verbal burrow]

looks fine for me btw

[umbral scaffold]

XD

[broken gazelle]

Annoying.

[verbal burrow]

You don't think the ability to make your chosen mark take a fuckton more damage with the click of a single button, whilst also giving it a cozy outline, is beneficial to a build that calls itself a sniper?

[broken gazelle]

Oh I switched it to light theme and it looks correct

[umbral scaffold]

Oh the make ability is super helpful too, but then you need to sacrifice dodge crits and melee finess which I feel is super needed for vet as it can let you run melee without suffering

[verbal burrow]

I run my Rashad unupgraded and I do fine

[umbral scaffold]

I prefer for the sniper build I got, finesse weapons like Knife/Devil/Tac

Stuff that’s fast casue I can two shot crushers with my Helbore

[verbal burrow]

I tend to do Boltgun + Rashad

If I'm going Sergeant it'll be plasma gun and Rashad

brb barber

[umbral scaffold]

ME BOLTA

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-whale-the-whale-fraiser-camera-gif-3764417687302677901

[broken gazelle]

Current setup.

[umbral scaffold]

Good set up what’s your weapons 🙂

[broken gazelle]

Knoife & Recon for now.

[umbral scaffold]

Want me to give you a dif recon knife build?

[broken gazelle]

I switched to damage aura just for the penance, and found I can kinda live without survivalist. But I do miss it.

[umbral scaffold]

What you got is good I do feel it’s mroe fitting for heavier weapons though or revolver

Let me make you a recon build you might like

[broken gazelle]

Always open to suggestions

Need to get the Krak and Smoke penances though so generally restricted until those are done.

[broken gazelle]

It looks fine but passing up on desperado feels wrong to me
And I hate Exec Stance

I'm melee 90% of the time so tried to lean towards that.

[verbal burrow]

It is nice for diversity after using plasma for an eternity

[broken gazelle]

I need to try the plasma again one day

I tried it back around Launch and hated it

[verbal burrow]

Plasma is fantastic

I just like getting free crits via surgical too

[broken gazelle]

I just remember it feeling really unwieldy back then.

[merry coral]

Just have to be okay being hated by your team because you kill everything in one shot

[verbal burrow]

How are we calling the plasma gun unwieldy when the Helbore exists

[broken gazelle]

Oh yea I hate the Helbore too

[spark helm]

Helbore just feels like the longbow of this game without the weapon swap speed.

[merry coral]

that damn animation when you switch weapon

[verbal burrow]

Plasma is literally just move crosshairs over target, and press lmb, it’s not that unwieldy

And plasma has a surprisingly low draw speed

[merry coral]

and you can skip some reloading animations

[broken gazelle]

So I have the 10% melee damage talent,
But I feel maybe there's a more impactful place to spend it

[verbal burrow]

Cuts into my hymn chanting while dodging time

[broken gazelle]

Maybe 10% rending instead of 10% melee damage? Not sure if that's worth it

[odd sparrow]

Depends on weapon. Power sword needs no talent support. While axes require a bit to my unserstanding

[broken gazelle]

I've been running knife lately. So the 10% is probably a waste.
Just not sure what else would be of greater benefit.

[odd sparrow]

Depends on if it lets you reach 1shor break points

[broken gazelle]

Might be worth testing later

10% of 60 is like 6 though, so it probably isn't worth it. Not at face value anyway

[faint beacon]

Very dependent on gun and weapon but rending in general is still very strong

[pseudo fiber]

Because it was terrible at launch lol

[broken gazelle]

I have Uncanny on the knife so maybe 10% more rending is redundant?

[broken gazelle]

Ahhh. Glad to know I wasn't just stupid

[faint beacon]

Uncanny on anything makes it redundant but I can see the argument if you're running like

Recon Las or Vigilant Autos

[broken gazelle]

That's true.

[umbral scaffold]

Uncanny is free rending on weakspot hit, it’s ok I mean helps a lot for armor opponents

But that’s it, it helps for those crushers

Precog is the more busted one imo

Dodging and 60% bonus fines

[broken gazelle]

Don't you have to dodge like 5 times before it's effective though?
Or is it substantial even at 1 stack

[faint beacon]

The only two talents I will actually chastise you about is Iron Will cause it’s literally free survivability for Vet and Precision Strikes cause 30% Weakspot increase

[umbral scaffold]

It’s just 1 stack for 2 seconds

[faint beacon]

REALLY FUCKING HURTS

[broken gazelle]

Oh I thought it was a stacking buff

I must be thinking of something else

[umbral scaffold]

No rending strike is, and so is riposte

[faint beacon]

Like those two are musts in builds imo

Obviously Tac Awareness is a no brainer

[inland orchid]

The devilish chuckle I’ve made cuz of how this talent effects strikedown attacks dmg wise

[umbral scaffold]

I mean for plasma I will say take out weakspot hit but that’s just me

It’s still super benificial

[inland orchid]

So good

[broken gazelle]

Yea I grabbed Iron Will now
Feels pretty beefy

[hard cave]

weapon specialist my beloved

[broken gazelle]

10% melee damage node with the knife feels a bit wasteful. Is there anything else that would be more substantial to pick? 🤔 Or is it worth keeping

[inland orchid]

10% more dmg on the weapon known for multiplying its dmg via more headshot dmg, I’d keep it tbh

Even on vet it can pair well with the weakspot talent

[broken gazelle]

Ahh okay.
I just figured 10% increase of an already small amount might not be worth it

I don't know how the game maths works, but at face value 10%+ of 140 would only be an increase of 14.

[umbral scaffold]

Iron Will is a must have if you’re not doing a shout vet, you can run it with shout vet as well but it’s not needed as you will be using shout with gold toughness and your regen will be high enough to counter act the damage to get back more gold toughness again

[broken gazelle]

Maybe if I was a good player I could live without it. 🤡

[umbral parrot]

But.... Are you?

[broken gazelle]

Absolutely not

[umbral scaffold]

I guess but every good player will tell you to run it

Even my sniper build I need it cause shooting people from range still chips my toughness like a bitch

[broken gazelle]

I'm not BAD, but prone to making 1 critical mistake and humbling myself.

Like I'll go several matches back to back flawless
Then get 1tapped by a snipah in the next

[verbal burrow]

Anyone who complains that they need talent support for the Rashad axe (other than the +30% weak spot damage talent you take anyway) is being dramatic

[slow spade]

but it does, because damage good

[verbal burrow]

I won't say no to more damage if I can get it, sure

[slow spade]

until I can 1-hit a BoN non-weakspot, you can ALWAYS get more damage

[verbal burrow]

But boss fucking is the Krak Grenade's job

And if we run out of krak there's magdumping bolters

[hard cave]

me running the middle ground kantrel rifle,,,

[verbal burrow]

Rifle?

[hard cave]

the lasgun

[slow spade]

I want to kill the heretic with my own hands :c

[verbal burrow]

If I do that's usually more of my Zealot's thing

[hard cave]

fun thing about vet is that weapon specialist makes you jack of all trades

[verbal burrow]

I am already one without it

[hard cave]

tell me more of your obscure achievements revolving around team killing krieg veterans with a barrel

[verbal burrow]

Just get gud at dodging and hitting skulls

I actually swing my eviscerator at head height so I don't hit the barrels

Can we talk about the dude who keeps shooting the burster when I go for push, thus deleting the HP bars of 3 players on the team

[hard cave]

good player

[slow spade]

shouldn't run to bursters?

[hard cave]

doing emperor's work, making sure everyone is on a even level

[verbal burrow]

Fuck that, if a mf beeps at me I am pushing him

[merry coral]

can we talk about the fact that our characters keep shouting "SHOOT THE BURSTER"

eveytime I'm like "well, no"

[hard cave]

Never heard that line

[broken gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/he-slimed-me-bill-murray-ghostbusters-slime-peter-venkman-gif-26581651

When you go to push the burster

[verbal burrow]

Bro have you heard how nuts most characters are

[broken gazelle]

But someone shoots it

[merry coral]

WDYM, they are all absolutely sane

100%

and mentally stable

just like us

[verbal burrow]

IDK man Psyker is kinda uh

[merry coral]

[tough tiger]

Some of yall never argued with your own subtitles and it shows

[merry coral]

I fucking love that line of dialogue haha

[tough tiger]

Female version doesnt argue thp

Its exclusive to male loner

[merry coral]

But I will admit, the one that keeps talking about the beloved and all is a bit irritating

not because of the beloved gimmick but, the voice alone makes me cringe

[tough tiger]

Wdym, its schizophrenia

We're all a bit schizo arent wr

[merry coral]

Are you even real

[tough tiger]

What are you?

[merry coral]

[uncut pebble]

That voice is Seer.

[tame lodge]

Dude, I think I am

[uncut pebble]

Psykers have Savant and Loner as their other two voices.

Savant being the enforcer.

[merry coral]

Doesn't mean it's true

[slow spade]

I like the psyker voice with the funny laugh c:

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rene-descartes-wave-hello-hi-gif-17950285

[uncut pebble]

Which one?

[white minnow]

i like the male seer as the crazy gremlin voice

[uncut pebble]

Like the vent laughter?

I think that'd be Seer.

[slow spade]

idk name

[uncut pebble]

Are they french or do they talk about their beloved?

[slow spade]

I just hear it occasionally with a maniacal laugh

[uncut pebble]

Or is the text literally "maniacal laughter"?

[slow spade]

lol I don't pay attention to that

I just like the funny laugh

[broken spade]

probably loner

[uncut pebble]

Because if it is that text then it's one of Seer's vent lines.

[slow spade]

I should mention, I don't have a psyker

I don't know the voice lines via name

[merry coral]

mfw I've learned that the VA for the french psyker is not even french

[umbral scaffold]

I’m sorry but hearing a female psycher scream fear my potential and only to quell cancel a horde, 6 crushers 500 ragers and 2 beasts of nurgles is out matched

[merry coral]

she's doing a hell of a great job tho

[uncut pebble]

https://youtu.be/fKQ_BeOy_RQ?feature=shared @slow spade 11:56?

That's male Seer when the text says "maniacal laughter" on venting.

[uncut pebble]

For both male and female?

Or just one or the other?

[merry coral]

the female one

[uncut pebble]

Well she could've fooled me.

She sounds very french.

[merry coral]

ikr

[queen fox]

The psyker VA is german, likely northern Germany if I remember the accents correctly

[broken gazelle]

Most of the voice actors are just English putting on accents

Except Kayex who is actually Welsh

[grand perch]

loner psyker is just the TF2 medic, change my mind

[broken gazelle]

Female Loner confused me for a while
But she's supposed to be Indian

[grand perch]

says who?

[broken gazelle]

Well A. It sounds Indian. B. The voice actress is part Indian
So I feel like that's enough evidence to assume that's what she was going for.

[grand perch]

im not hearing indian at all

[stray storm]

Any tips to complete on Overwatch Penance?

[merry coral]

which one is it already ?

[broken gazelle]

If it's the one I'm thinking of, don't get hit

[stray storm]

Easier said than DONE

[merry coral]

"As the Sharpshooter, complete a Mission on Malice Threat or higher without taking any melee damage."

[broken gazelle]

Remember you can take toughness damage
Just no health damage

[merry coral]

eeeh

spam VoC on cooldown, use like, recon lasgun

[broken gazelle]

Ye. And work on your dodge & block game.

If you don't have Iron Will talent, consider trying that too maybe.

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAA

[broken gazelle]

Noice

[orchid hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmpgZtbBKks

[broken gazelle]

I'm at around 500
But I did take several long breaks

[orchid hemlock]

Path is feeling a disturbence in the force

[merry coral]

I'm only around 350, and I began to play a month ago

[broken gazelle]

Good work soldier

[merry coral]

I remember trying the game day one on pc and I was like "what the fuck is taht shit"

[broken gazelle]

I'm one of the rare people who loved it from Day 1

[merry coral]

My number one issue is that it ran like dog

[broken gazelle]

I guess I was lucky to have no problems heheh

[merry coral]

but I had a less powerful computer tho back in the days

And it was actually Space marine 2 that got me into Darktide again haha

But I feel like I'm not the only one, far from it

[broken gazelle]

I'm not interested in space marines so I skipped that
I did watch some people play it though
Anything to pique interest in WH40K is good

[tall torrent]

Again, I’m not watching that lol

[broken spade]

wtf go touch grass

oh no

[merry coral]

Well I did the campain, some coop missions, but idk, I find the game lacking in content, and the combat is very inconsistant

[earnest bone]

i'l get it on sale for -50%

[merry coral]

seems like a fair price

[pseudo fiber]

I'd argue space marine 2's combat is pretty consistent

Consistently easy

[umbral scaffold]

Go back to your cave

[umbral scaffold]

SM2 looks consistent but seeing how people play it does seem like a slog if enemies are just Bethesda tanky when it comes to difficulty

[broken gazelle]

I just think Rejects are cooler than dudes in metal suits.

[hearty panther]

It's the impact. FatShark really spoils us with presentation so Space Marine looks like your weapons just slip through most enemies and guns chip healthbars instead of armor

[merry coral]

darktide's combat feels indeed way more satisfiying

and impactful

[broken gazelle]

It's a real shame we can't break 10k people on Steam

[umbral scaffold]

I mean it’s an improvement from Vermintide 2s combat

Better movement

More core mechanics

[hearty panther]

if i had my way everyone would play darktide

alas people feel the need to measure their dicks on the internet so PvE never pulls its weight

[broken gazelle]

Some nights I struggle to even matchmake with anybody.

[bronze trout]

They finished VT2's pvp mode so now darktide is next

[broken gazelle]

Sit there in the lobby for 60 seconds

[tall torrent]

Is that in the lower difficulties

[broken gazelle]

Heresy usually.
Malice seemed to have more people playing.

[frank basin]

I think space marine on first page is overtrend.

[bronze trout]

I'd get to damnation as soon as your able to

[frank basin]

Darktide didn’t get extra players from pc perspective

[broken spade]

how are you finding all these random darktide guide videos with less than 50 views?

[broken gazelle]

I guess steamdb doesn't count game pass people
So maybe we're over 10k

[frank basin]

Yeah

Well with ps5

Idk

[low inlet]

Space marine is kinda meh but at aleast it didn’t release as a beta version

[pseudo fiber]

Easily.

[bronze trout]

I mean we passed 10k 4 days ago

[low inlet]

And I didn’t have to pay to play test it unlike some other 40k game

[frank basin]

Ps5 people likely pick some stereotype game like fighting mortal kombat, fifa, madden, cod.

[somber adder]

I mean Darktide being even with VT2 today is a really good sign

[broken gazelle]

Oo nice.
I was just looking at the 24hr peak

[umbral scaffold]

That and people will tell you “build is bad waaah” when said build is only fixated for one weapon or a certain play style

[bronze trout]

The 3 month timeline shows that darktide has received a serious bump of players that are still around.

[umbral scaffold]

^ wait for the sony players

We getting more meat for the grinder during December

[pseudo fiber]

Good retention yippee.

Drop more content it'll stay high

Drop a new class

[broken gazelle]

I doubt we'll ever see a new class
But more of anything is welcome

[umbral scaffold]

I can see them maybe adding another tree for perks

[bronze trout]

Mandalore also seems to be working on a darktide video so that will be another bump in players

[umbral scaffold]

But idk what class they could add to the game

Maybe a Ratliifn but that was back during day 1 of release

[pseudo fiber]

I am so fucking excited

[hollow ibex]

i'm one of them

[merry coral]

ooh boy

neat

[pseudo fiber]

He'll call the bad story bad but because its mandalore he'll cover the background lore which is really good

[hollow ibex]

turns out the game is a lot more fun when new and varied builds are actually reasonably accessible

[pseudo fiber]

Shocking nobody really.

However I went from chasing god rolls to looking for builds like a form of build goblin so... not much is better

[frank basin]

Hello furry

[broken gazelle]

Who really plays a horde shooter for the story though

[frank basin]

Maybe I

Story from leveling up is okay

[pseudo fiber]

Hello

[tall torrent]

DT’s story is actually ok it’s just that 90% of it is not present in the game

It’s all outside the game

[earnest bone]

[pseudo fiber]

He's not lying the posts they put out are great

[broken gazelle]

Yea story isn't bad
But plot really shouldn't be your main reason to play Darktide.

[earnest bone]

• Hellou, Reject
• You did a good job, now get the hell out of here, but be aware that there's a traitor>
  One eternity and 30 levels later:
• SO THIS (person) WAS A TRAITOR
• good job reject, now get the hell out of here

[tall torrent]

Ya pretty much all of the actual story stuff are outside of the game

[broken gazelle]

Don't need a reason to stab Eretics

[frank basin]

The level 30 music is great

[merry coral]

You have been summoned to the Strategium

obey

[bronze trout]

Yeah if you dig there is interesting stuff, there's a lot of set up with no payoff yet but they can do stuff with the story if they want too and they have a cast of interesting enough chjaracters to go through it with

[slow spade]

so the average 40k lore?

[bronze trout]

Pretty much

Stuff like the matyr skull dialogue which your never gonna hear in game but gives insight into the moebian 6th

[merry coral]

the moebian 6th story is so intersesting

but yeah you have to dig a little to actually know it

[frank basin]

Infiltrate captain wolfer bedroom

[bronze trout]

The tale of people pushed to their absolute limits by people who don't even care about them that choose to fight for their own future instead of some one else's, who braved more hardships then any will ever know, battle hardened by hundreds if not thousands of wars.

And they get smashed in the face by a fucking rock

[merry coral]

a friendly rock

[balmy flume]

I wonder if we will get some Helldivers who suddenly realize Darktide demands even more teamplay - and provides far less orbital support.

[broken gazelle]

Hd2 was fun for a week or so... Then I was back to Darktide.

[hearty panther]

The hard-stuck-on Helldivers players who are in online spaces really do not want difficulty.

[tall torrent]

Not much team play, more mechanical skill

[pseudo fiber]

We'll get some people who want more challenge and skill expression than helldivers
We'll get people who want that. Realise they hate it then go back to helldivers

[faint beacon]

Darktide is my abusive girlfriend, I sometimes get beat up and burnt out over it but I’m always crawling back

Same could be said with COD Zombies though lmao

[somber adder]

The "game difficult" reddit/discord crowd coerced the "A game for everyone is a game for noone" dev team to cave in to their demands and turned the game to slush 😭

[orchid hemlock]

HD2 players when they actually can't suicide strike every objective:

[faint beacon]

Okay you know what they should’ve done

It’s going to sound busted

But it’s literally how it worked in HD1

Why aren’t the respawns infinite

You just immediately get wiped the moment all 4 are dead

[hearty panther]

I don't totally subscribe to that thinking. I genuinely do think Arrowhead wanted to thread the needle of making the then-base game easier and then introduce complex difficulties later. But that means another long period of waiting for that difficulty to be introduced and I'm not patient/engrossed enough by the current game to keep playing while we do.

I also think they fucked it up though.

[somber adder]

I personally liked the limited respawns more. Gave you a reason to clutch up and the games where you fought for your life for 2 minutes just to die and have the next person do the funny was a hilarious relay race

[hearty panther]

I'm with Gale. The reinforcements system is partially what makes the game balance such a joke.

[faint beacon]

Thing was the spawns In HD1 for enemies were like HISTG/mael levels of

[somber adder]

My gripe with what they did is that they nerfed both the enemies and giga buffed the arsenal. Doing one would have been my preferred way of handling things.
Many weapons did desperately need love

[faint beacon]

Fucking spam everything at you

Mattered on difficulty

[somber adder]

It was also 2d so not really comparable to a 3d version of it imo

[faint beacon]

Like I know Diff 15 you had to constantly move around the map or get swarmed

[hearty panther]

Yea like only 1/3rds or less of the weapon roster needed to be adjusted. Instead everything got buffed. Bile Titans getting dropped by a single AT rocket is so sad.

[somber adder]

It's a lot easier to concentrate firepower for the players with just two dimensions to worry about

[faint beacon]

Been a lascannon user since Day 1

Imagine how I feel when they subtly tweaked it

And I mean subtly

[hearty panther]

I actually got to chat with Pilestedt and he agrees. The reinforcement system as-is sucks but they don't have any easy solutions, especially not with such a whiny, bitch-made playerbase

(Not his words btw)

[faint beacon]

Before you ask yes

I would get kicked for using it

During the Railgun meta

[somber adder]

Did he say why it sucks?

[faint beacon]

They’d have to completely rehaul the spawn system for both

Divers and enemies

[hearty panther]

Zero tension, almost unimpactful, and it makes balancing the output of one player life very difficult when you have twenty in the bank.

[faint beacon]

To make HD1 system work

[somber adder]

Right when they nerfed the railgun the game was peak for me. You really struggled with heavy armor and it felt great to be in survival mode for most of the match

[hearty panther]

You know how tense it is to do or watch a clutch in DarkTide? None of that exists in HD2

[somber adder]

Then they (deservedly tbh) buffed the AT rockets and the game was a bit too easy for my liking

[hearty panther]

And if it does you first have to fuck up enough times to burn through 20 lives, which is already an achievement.

[faint beacon]

Laser Cannon being slept on for ages being absolutely fucking insane for bots till people realized around summer it’s a good weapon

Lmao

[pseudo fiber]

I remember someone asked the former ceo if they could make final stands more interesting like darktide (literal wording) and I was thinking "how?"

[hearty panther]

yes that was me

[somber adder]

Gotcha. I personally like it since it allows you to fuck around and find out which is a big part of the charm of the game for me.
It also emphasizes the "throw bodies at it until it is gone" approach super earth has and the completely meaningless existence of the helldivers which is peak world building.
And while you have that it also allows you to have those clutch moments after shit has really hit the fan and once the reinforcements were out the real game began, at least that's how I liked to play with my friends

[faint beacon]

Holy shit Darktide being mentioned

Lmao

I forget we’re not a small game as much as I think we are

[balmy flume]

Also another thing for Helldivers to get used to:
Backspawning enemies.
Your reaer is never truly sercure. Especially on Auric Damnation.

[faint beacon]

Darktide is moderately well known isn’t it

[somber adder]

But the game was made easier and easier with each patch so I can see the respawn system being a problem now

[slow spade]

Darktide is known but as a bad/good game

leaning on bad :p

[faint beacon]

I know the issue then

Sound queues

[slow spade]

have sound queues ever NOT been an issue?

[faint beacon]

That’s one of the biggest reason you know something is in play

[balmy flume]

I would argue it's being made...different. Not necessarily easier per se.
Or even if the spawn rates are lowered, you will notice on Auric the map and layouts have a particular way of screwing you over...

[hearty panther]

In theory yes but most players hate dying so much that they bitched even if they were winning 90% of their games (actual average win rating btw). They didn't want to use 20 lives as a resource to beat a mission, they want to be one man beating a mission. Helldiver, not Helldivers.

They all patently missed the point lmao

[faint beacon]

HD2 doesn’t really have sound queues for when something spawns minus

[slow spade]

to be fair, some deaths felt bullshit

[somber adder]

I was talking about helldivers 2

[faint beacon]

Drop ships and breaches

[balmy flume]

Ah sorry.

[faint beacon]

You can’t really tell what’s in that spawn

[somber adder]

No worries

[faint beacon]

Vs Darktide

[slow spade]

Auric hunting grounds for the deaf experience

[stuck gorge]

Breaches smoke marker also masking like 99% of the spawns

[faint beacon]

You hear an echoed “No escape for you!” Net gun revving

[slow spade]

"waves of mutants" = turn off audio

[hearty panther]

isnt that a QotSA album

[faint beacon]

And you instantly know

A trapper is in play

[slow spade]

assuming it even plays the audio

[faint beacon]

Where is the fun part

[somber adder]

Yeah that's what makes me upset. People want to be that guy so bad they bitched about a game where you are just a useless body to be disposed of so much that the devs caved and started making you that guy

[balmy flume]

Special Audio cues (be it the ones actually from specials, or the various callouts from our player classes) are critical to surviving Auric.
Well, half of it. Ther other half is knowing the right priority. Especially in case of multiple specials.

[somber adder]

Like there aren't already hundreds of games that let you be that guy

[faint beacon]

Hell elites have sound queues

Not spawn queues

[somber adder]

Power fantasy is so prevelant in so many games that I found it refreshing to play a really good game where you're just meat

[hearty panther]

It's very disappointing because Helldivers 2 is still one of the best sequels of all time and it did stumble at the start but instead of righting themselves players said "i like the part where you all stumbled" and now the game is flat as fuck

[faint beacon]

But sounds to say they’re nearby

Shield being slammed against by a club?

That’s a bulwark

Revving of a chain weapon?

Mauler

[balmy flume]

I mean in Darktide, if things go south enough that you briefly have to carry the team (and succeed in doing so), you actually feel rewarded for being The Person that pulled it off.

[slow spade]

to be fair, they can also be power fantasy but you die in droves

EX: Noita lmao

[somber adder]

Right? The game was so fucking peak. Obviously terrible technical problems aside cause sony pushed the release (yay) but the game itself was so fucking well done considering where the dev team started.

[somber adder]

As you should. Clutching is cool

[faint beacon]

As much shit as Darktide gets

I genuinely think it’s a great game

[somber adder]

It is

[faint beacon]

It’s why I’m just shy 1.5k hours on it

[slow spade]

I think NOW its a good game

[faint beacon]

And still not bored

[hearty panther]

Keep in mind too that if you wanted to be John Helldiver and super bad ass, you could do that. You could in fact get good at Helldivers. I was often spending one life over three Helldives

[slow spade]

pre-Unlocked and Loaded? I wouldn't say that

[somber adder]

Darktide has always been a great game. Gameplay wise. The supporting systems were just giga shit

[hearty panther]

But now skill expression has been sandpapered out of the game

[somber adder]

Classic FS

[slow spade]

its amazing how badly they fumbled Darktide's beginnings

[faint beacon]

The game itself was still great just the RNG elements really kneecapped it

[bronze trout]

Darktide released in kind of a shit state but it was built on a rock solid foundation that will outlive SM2 or HD2

[somber adder]

Yup. But people complained that playing at the highest difficulty was in fact not that easy.

[faint beacon]

Me who played 7

Casually

And avoided 8+ like a plague

[somber adder]

Yeah. But fatshark is resistent to learning so what you gonna do

[faint beacon]

Cause it genuinely was just not fun at all

[slow spade]

Darktide 2 featuring Tzeentch please so that can see Change UwU

[somber adder]

Everytime I joined my friends I begged them to turn it up to 9 cause I was in it for the shitshow. The most fun I've had was when I was running around scrambling to get my bearings for 40 minutes and somehow end up not dying and clearing the entire map.
Hotdrops my beloved

[balmy flume]

...That...what.
Like...really, what did they expect roflmao.
It's the highest difficulty for a reason...

[tall torrent]

DT & DRG are peak

[craggy ridge]

and now the game is piss easy

[somber adder]

Yeah idk man, fragile gamer egos or whatever, idk what drove them to think like they have to play or are entitled to play at the highest difficulty and have an easy time

I'll check back in on Helldivers once we get Inner Circle of Hell

[balmy flume]

I expect those specific Helldiver recruits to nope out after normal Damnation at this rate lol.

Nevermind Auric or special conditions even.

[somber adder]

Nah they won't make it out of Heresy

[earnest sand]

Hi, is veteran okay for returning players?

[bronze trout]

Tbf heresy is actually harder then damnation because of the players you have to play with

[balmy flume]

Game is in a VERY nice state for returning players.

[craggy ridge]

by then, most primaries will be AP4 and the Senator will shoot Hellbomb missles

[somber adder]

Veteran is gud

[balmy flume]

(In fact Veteran has almost always been eating good, even since the earliest days...)

[slow spade]

in one of its best states

[bronze trout]

Veteran is definitely the most straightforward of the classes if you want to get your bearings

[earnest sand]

Melee trash and shoot specials?

[bronze trout]

Mostly, depends on how you want to build but generally yes

[balmy flume]

Still true. Except for some guns you can even shoot trash as well now!

looks at improved Accatran

[earnest sand]

So I heard if you grind a gun it gets automatically good stats?

[slow spade]

effectively yes

[earnest sand]

No more rng bullshit?

[slow spade]

you still need a gun with good stats but its 20x easier to get now

[balmy flume]

Grinding gun gives you good Perks and Blessings.
For base stats, you can improve it (if you have played Division 2, kind of like the gun system there)

[earnest sand]

May god rest Vermintide playerbase's soul cause he knows it aint getting updated

Stuck with attrocious rng

[balmy flume]

Also, depending from when you are returning...not only are there new missions

but also some of the old missions had their category re-assigned

[faint beacon]

I’ll be honest I don’t know how to classify Veteran on skill curve

Easy to get into yes

[balmy flume]

so you know those penances for doing missions types? Far less painful to grind now.

[faint beacon]

But I can’t tell if it’s hard to master or easy to master

Never payed attention I’ve dumped easily 1k hours into Vet

[balmy flume]

I would say it depends on which path you are going.
As someone who relies on VoC, I would say that is the easiest path to master.
Steath/Classic Vets definitely rely on more skills.

[earnest sand]

Can we get drip without coughing cash?

[pseudo fiber]

I mean that depends on your tastes

Yes?

[balmy flume]

Free drip range has widened, but cannot truly say whether it is "better"

[bronze trout]

Unless you really like the basic cadian armor not really

[pseudo fiber]

There's stuff to grind for that shows you're dedicated

Moebian 6th set my beloved

[bronze trout]

There are two good unlockable sets through penances

[balmy flume]

I find that perfect for the Ogryn actually.
My Vet is Free stuff kitbash (aside from a paid helm).
Waiting for Enforcer set to come on again for my Psyker (to match the background lol)

Not sure what I want to make my Zealot.

(And yes, my playtime is still massively biased towards Vet)

[bronze trout]

I couldn't help myself and got the very expensive drip

[earnest sand]

Moebian 6th is the army turned traitor?

[balmy flume]

Looks like actual Ksarkin, nice.

[bronze trout]

helmet isnt in a set, chest and legs are from 2 different sets

[balmy flume]

Yes, but I think we get loyalist version of their uniforms as part of the free drip.

[bronze trout]

And there is more free moebian armor in black coming in the next update we believe

[balmy flume]

(The traitors usually chaos-ify their armour by adding sigils and spikes)

(...and making it dirty. Because Nurgle.)

[tall torrent]

we're not sure when havoc is coming out (whether it's coming with grim protocols or not)

[faint beacon]

I’d honestly say Vet overall

Exe is probably the only reason that makes vet less of an incredibly easy to pick up and master class

[earnest sand]

Isnt there a set worth 900k coins for every class?

[balmy flume]

Yep. That is still around.

900k dockets.

[earnest sand]

Grab that for Veteran? Looks less homeless

[broken gazelle]

I'd like to get out of Heresy one day
But I spent 500 hours in Malice so I don't expect to get there any time soon

[bronze trout]

Yeah but it's mostly just color variations of the same armor, which if your into that armor is good but not so much if you aren't

Damnation is easier then heresy

[tall torrent]

very low skill floor (bad stamina management, low atk speed)
high skill ceiling (high melee dmg, utility & special sniping)

[broken gazelle]

I've heard people say that

[balmy flume]

I think starting off with Exe Stance is pretty much the "survive Vet as a conscript" stage, which is ironically lore accurate.
Once you can switch to the other skills, you have survived enough to be a force to be reckoned with.

[broken spade]

I dont think vet's skill ceiling is that high

[slow spade]

its not like Exec stance is bad

its just VoC is insanely good for solving issues

[balmy flume]

Yea, pretty much that

VoC is just...so much utility in Darktide's given gameplay pace

[tall torrent]

in comparison to what

[balmy flume]

You can tank, you can buff, and you can heal.

[broken spade]

I'm not sure you're using the right definition of skill floor/ceiling

[broken gazelle]

I felt naked when I had to use Exe Stance for the penances

[faint beacon]

I guess you could compare Vet as long Soldier for TF2 as in incredibly easy to pick up and play

[broken gazelle]

Super vulnerable

[faint beacon]

But requires time to master

[hearty panther]

what is this mythical penqncea

some sort of penguin panacea

[broken gazelle]

Pirates of penzance

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/438094692278861827/1289974251599822908/image.png?ex=66ff62e4&is=66fe1164&hm=58030dbb5e6bebf0fcc538fadff3f9963ccff0af4f5d34ee5f325f94d0e50dc3&

[hearty panther]

ah right the sequel

[pseudo fiber]

6th stuff too good imho

[hearty panther]

to pirates of the penguinbean

[broken spade]

skill ceiling is difficulty to master and skill floor is accessibility for beginners. Having bad stamina management and low aspd doesn't make the class easier to approach, so idk what you mean by that

[tall torrent]

vet is definitely on the harder side for beginners

[pseudo fiber]

The one with the highest skill floor is psyker because you can kill yourself with it

[broken spade]

If it's hard for beginners, that's a high skill floor

[balmy flume]

To Fatshark's credit they have improved Exec Stance but yea, it feels weird running around without extra toughness on demand

[broken spade]

you got it backwards

[tall torrent]

low skill floor = easy to be bad
high skill floor = easy to be good (even if ur skill is on the floor, ur still gonna do well)
low skill ceiling = low max potential
high skill ceiling = high max potential

[broken spade]

high skill ceiling is how hard it is to perform optimally

an optimal vet doesn't have more required skills than an optimal zealot

[earnest sand]

I dont like Psyker or Instigator

[balmy flume]

Exec Stance is also a bit more teamplay reliant compared to the other two
You need to have any teammate to run around clearing chaff. Like yes Exec stance maintains a bit better now even without needing to shoot, but to get the most out of it you need to not be knoced around (or have horde chaff blocking your shots)

[hearty panther]

isnt it
low skill floor = easy to be good
high skill floor = easy to be bad (because being good is harder)

[broken spade]

no

[tall torrent]

I'm going off what google says

wait nvm

I got it confused

[balmy flume]

Vet's stamina issues (if any) are more tied to the weapon equipped.

[slow spade]

longest stam delay :c

[long basin]

This is the internet, you are supposed to double down even when you realize you made a mistake.

[faint beacon]

It’s the longer delay

[tall torrent]

easy to play bad (bad stamina management, low atk speed)
hard to play well but has great potential (high melee dmg, utility & special sniping)

[faint beacon]

It’s less the weapon

[tall torrent]

this is what I mean

[tall torrent]

@broken spade

[faint beacon]

It’s why I have zealot players agreeing with me you should take Stam regen on Veteran for Curios

[hearty panther]

what really holds veterans back is the lack of raw sexual energy, which the ogryn exudes in spades

[tall torrent]

nah, 3x sprint efficiency, trust

[balmy flume]

Huh, did not really notice that.
I will need to think about Stam a bit and try to notice if I had been dying more because of that...

[floral hearth]

You clearly havent listened to any of the voices

[faint beacon]

Tbf Ogryn is probably the only “Heavy” of this game in skill where it’s easy to pick up and master

[earnest sand]

Ogryn feels easy to start

[faint beacon]

Easy to master as well

[earnest sand]

Guns feel wrong on Ogryn

[faint beacon]

You just gotta learn what the build is meant to do and it usually fucking stomps

[balmy flume]

And yet somehow gunlugger Ogryns are really popular nowadays.

[faint beacon]

Gun lugger buffs

[balmy flume]

I still like the Ogryn shotty you start with though.

[earnest sand]

Arent Gun luggers weak in melee?

[faint beacon]

I literally play Glugger on the side

[balmy flume]

That might get me to try a Shottie vet at some point.

[faint beacon]

Not at all

[floral hearth]

People will keep telling you about how bad it is

[tall torrent]

weak in comparison to a skullbreaker build yes

[faint beacon]

Get a melee that pairs well with it and they just swap to gun when an elite horde shows up

[floral hearth]

And i will laugh at them

[tall torrent]

basically run karsolas/shield

and ur set

[earnest sand]

Ogryn feels like counting to 4 is hard, leave alone operating a machinegun

[balmy flume]

(right now I am still addicted to the Power Sword/Bolt Psitol tabletop Vet Sergeant layout)

[floral hearth]

I want to love power sword, but having to spam special is grating to me

[earnest sand]

I really want to try a chainsaw sword on Veteran

[faint beacon]

If you’re using it for like Chaffe clear

Use the heavy sword

[balmy flume]

Understandable. I tried moving away from it but...nothing quite runs like that butter.

[faint beacon]

Same shit just suffers against Carapace

So bring kraks

[earnest sand]

Chainsaw sword is good on Veteran?

[faint beacon]

It’s okay

It exists basically

[floral hearth]

Serviceable

[faint beacon]

It’s like white bread

[tall torrent]

it's a one trick

[faint beacon]

It’s there

[balmy flume]

Think of it this way - almost no weapon is bad on Vet, per se.
Almost.

[faint beacon]

It feels good but isn’t great

“One Tricks” are excels at on thing and Is weak at everything else

[balmy flume]

There is "serviceable", "good" and "Emperor blessed great"
In terms of our close quarter weapons.

[faint beacon]

Ex. Mk 3 shovel

Insanely good against single target and carapace but

Is terrible in horde clear

[tall torrent]

it's just for poking mauler & crusher

[hearty panther]

the mk3 is good at things?

[floral hearth]

I like smaul for military police RP

[faint beacon]

Smaul be so good

[hearty panther]

stop resisting! ⚡

[faint beacon]

Till an Ogryn or Monstro spawns

Lmao

That unyielding damage fucking is painful

[floral hearth]

It can stun ogryns

[tall torrent]

ogryn is fine, u can stun bulwark through shield

[floral hearth]

But yeah monsters

[faint beacon]

It’s the Unyielding damage

[bronze trout]

Yeah the alt fire on shields is super nice for smaul

[faint beacon]

It’s painful

[tall torrent]

it's just monster dmg where it's

[balmy flume]

I think they are referring to when a squad of enemy Ogryns manage to corner you

Which, even if you stay in coherency on Auric

can happen

because fucking back spawns

[floral hearth]

But its got stun, good single target

[tall torrent]

that's a fucked situation to any melee

[faint beacon]

The 4 bulwarks

Shield slamming you into a corner

[floral hearth]

Fine hordeclear if youve got the combo right

[tall torrent]

it's serviceable horde clear

[balmy flume]

and the one situation where you need Nades. Krak or Frag.
Not even a P Sword can get you out of that.

[faint beacon]

Or VOC

sits their asses down for a second

[floral hearth]

Rather frag for the stagger

Krak needs a lot of luck

[broken spade]

I guess it is a lot harder to play well than psyker (doesn't need to aim or even really manage toughness).
Idk i guess it just feels weird saying vet skill ceiling is high cause it doesn't feel like the ceiling for this game is that high

[floral hearth]

Otherwise 1 to 1 ratio is oof

[balmy flume]

Kraks suffer in mixed Carapace groups, I find.
Like, you want to aim for a crusher.
But then due to various field factors, oops, it latches onto a Mauler instead.

[turbid frigate]

What's chainswords best blessings?

[tall torrent]

as an experienced player it's easy to think this game's skill ceiling is not very high

[floral hearth]

And the frag stagger is universal

[faint beacon]

Psyker is high skill floor

I’ll admit that

[broken spade]

Conversations of high skill ceilings always make me think of games where speedruns consist of frame perfect shit where you wish you were born with different hands

[floral hearth]

Therefore more reliable for me

[balmy flume]

Yes, Frags are indeed the true way to go

[faint beacon]

It’s super fucking easy to die as a new psyker

[floral hearth]

And the bleed helps too ofc

[tall torrent]

I'm moreso talking like, how much practice it takes on avg for a new player to be considered "good enough" at a class

[balmy flume]

That Peril management definitely contributes to the learning curve.

[idle swallow]

It's very high skill when I set my lmb staff macro on max

[balmy flume]

Especially if you don't gunker.

(you can still get away with non-Psychic Close Quarter weapons, and arguably for the better since most of them give you more stamina bars to work with)

[floral hearth]

Which is the correct choice

[faint beacon]

Literally skill ceiling so low it somehow inverted planes

[tall torrent]

that's rly any class, but psyker has the extra squishiness to it
on the other hand, psyker doesn't need to aim
so for me that sorta balances it out on the skill floor side

[broken spade]

voice of command alone is enough of a reason for me to consider vet low skill floor imo

press the button and you are probably contributing as much as a decent player

[balmy flume]

Weirdly, considering getting there needs a brief period of normal, non-upgraded Exec stance...that might lift it just a little

(I think for the first...15 ish levels?)

[broken spade]

ok if we're considering skill floor of like an unleveled character, idk how to judge those

[tall torrent]

nah, just lv30 fresh player, how long it takes for them to get "good enough"

[broken spade]

i would rather talk about how well some new person would do hopping into a built character, because honestly i have no idea what the leveling process is like

[tall torrent]

I think it'd be smth like veteran ≈ psyker > zealot (barely) > ogryn
From longest to shorted in terms of “getting good enough”

[broken spade]

Honestly i have no idea how to judge zealot skill floor

from what i see, it either clicks or it doesn't

[tall torrent]

Zealot is

Quite easy to pick up?

200 health off the bat and great stamina management
Also tons of attack speed bonuses

It’s very safe

[broken spade]

yeah maybe the bad ones have horrible builds

[balmy flume]

With zealot or Ogryn though I always feel this invisble pressure to be good at what I am doing.

probably because I have seen enough vet complaints lol

[orchid hemlock]

Ogryn is prob the hardest change my mind

[broken spade]

If we assume they're just handed a good build, i think zealot is relatively easy

[merry coral]

agreed

[balmy flume]

...damn, all this talk is gonna make me hop on for a bit before my jogging session.

[broken spade]

I don't play ogryn enough to know

I want to say the skill floor is slightly higher because i think I suck at ogryn

[faint beacon]

Ogryn is literally my second main

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

And I unironically think it’s like a Heavy of this game

Easy to pick up and master

[broken spade]

but then again there are builds that are stupid easy

[orchid hemlock]

have u ever played psyker?

[broken spade]

this brings me great pain

[faint beacon]

Yes, I’m referring to Ogryn

[broken spade]

I feel like most psyker builds are easiest to master by far

[faint beacon]

Ogryn is genuinely easy to pick up and Master

[tall torrent]

I think quell cancel takes time to master and that's more or less fundamentals for psyker

[broken spade]

idk ogryn just feels very clunky to me
Unless i'm doing some cheesy build like gungryn or an unkillable melee ogryn with fnp and i barely need to pay attention.
Maybe those are just the normal ways you're supposed to play but idk it feels like i'm doing something wrong by relying on those.

[orchid hemlock]

Karsolas

[broken spade]

oh i guess that's true, and there's also blitz canceling with ek staff rmb if we count that as well

[orchid hemlock]

it always comes back to Karsolas

😔

[broken spade]

It feels wrong to say i can play ogryn if i can't even play the majority of their weapons well, so i guess that fucks with my perception of ogryn ceiling

or maybe their weapons just aren't balanced

[tall torrent]

[orchid hemlock]

lit turn off brain mode, everything dies Ogryn:

[tall torrent]

No trample??

[orchid hemlock]

no

[tall torrent]

Why

[orchid hemlock]

i lit only use charge to reposition or cc

u can remove unstoppable for it if u want

i lit just stack toughness on the last 2 points

[tall torrent]

Also idk why flak on pickaxe

[hollow ibex]

It’s over guys. Reddit says brutal momentum is a wasted slot

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t change breakpoints iirc

[orchid hemlock]

cleave

[tall torrent]

Maniac is kinda better

[orchid hemlock]

ur kinda better 😊

[tall torrent]

Maniac gives u easier Dreg rager 2 tap

And potential mutant 1 tap

With enough blessing stacks up

With maniac, Karsolas’s overhead heavy does ~3601 damage on mutant weakspot

Without heavy hitter, headtaker or slaughterer

[orchid hemlock]

ill give it a try

[stuck gorge]

Doesn’t BM give basically infinite cleave if you just hit heads?

[orchid hemlock]

flak was recomended from ogrynomicon

since it ussually is staple

[hollow ibex]

Iirc it’s full damage on four heretic heads

So yeah pretty insane

[orchid hemlock]

but i understand cara is useful at hitting the one shot breakpoint for crushers

[tall torrent]

Yea I bring a veteran min-max energy to other classes where I exclusively build for breakpoints on important enemies

[orchid hemlock]

maybe i can go all in with unyield 🤔

[tall torrent]

Nah

Carapace + maniac

[orchid hemlock]

but without thrust i dont think its worth

[tall torrent]

Carapace for crusher 2 tap on heavy sweep with max stacks
Maniac for Dreg rager & mutant

[orchid hemlock]

what about other pickaxes?

I know branx is un/cara

[tall torrent]

I kinda don’t care

Branx I’d only use with gunlugger just for carapace damage

Branx’s -0.2 sprint speed is a deal breaker for me

[orchid hemlock]

but when u 1/4 a plague ogryn

dont u feel

soiled? 🤔

[tall torrent]

No

Because plague ogryn is not threatening besides being able to throw people out of the map

[orchid hemlock]

ok but

doesn't it feel good?

to bonk oneshot everything?

[tall torrent]

I’d go thunder hammer on zealot then

[tall torrent]

This talent is usually bait

[orchid hemlock]

tru

but imagine

the bonkinator

[frank basin]

Bonkinator

[pseudo fiber]

Crunch on Thammer go from one hitting bosses to one hitting bosses -1 talent point

[orchid hemlock]

worth to get the overkill stats on scoreboard 😎

[bronze trout]

What a nightmare match I just got out of, but probably my hardest carry to date.

If there werent 3 psykers I would of been out of ammo for sure for most the match

[pseudo fiber]

What build?

[bronze trout]

Keystoneless recon

[pseudo fiber]

Nice

[orchid hemlock]

If ur not hitting at least 500 lesser enemies each game on Psyker, just uninstall

Sorry skill diff

[bronze trout]

Well there were 2 psykers dead for most of the match, like we would literally rescue them and they would be in within 2 minutes every time

Kept together for the final boss at least

[bronze trout]

The full build

[tall torrent]

Avg performance psyker

[orchid hemlock]

Imagine playing the best wave clearing class in the game

And u don't wave clear

[wild vortex]

[wild vortex]

in my experience Trample isn't really that great, because the way you ideally use Charge is different from how Trample WANTS you to use Charge

[tall torrent]

Fair

[wild vortex]

you're either doing short bops to CC a dangerous mob pile off your team, a longer rush towards a gunner emplacement, or just emergency repositioning. In all cases, the number of targets you're gonna hit is going to be iffy. Trample wants you to go headlong through dense mobs and potentially get into a bad spot

I wish they didn't shit on Charge bleed

[pseudo fiber]

The cat icons discussing balanced in a civilised and informed manor

[faint beacon]

Average veteran chat discussion

[wild vortex]

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thousand-yard-stare-thousand-yard-stare-cat-ptsd-cat-soldier-cat-war-gif-9110270742088459827

[worldly pulsar]

Guide says unarmored/elite/flak/maniac for perks on plasma - that right?

[tall torrent]

No

It says unarmored/elite + flak/maniac

It’s actually 3 combinations in the end depending on whether u take superiority complex (talent) or not

Without: unarmored + flak
With: elite + flak/maniac

There’s a reason I write it in 2 separate lines

[worldly pulsar]

I do have it, so flak/maniac it is. I assume that gets some nice breakpoints?

[tall torrent]

You still would have to run very specific talents for breakpoints

[worldly pulsar]

I see

[tall torrent]

You need
5% ranged damage nodes (x2)
Precision strikes
(Superiority complex) changes whether u run unarmored or elite
Fire team / redirect fire

If u miss a single one here you’ll miss breakpoints

This means plasma is very limited in builds

If u want survivalist, u have to have focus target

If u want weapon specialist, u have to sacrifice survivalist

[worldly pulsar]

When you say Fire Team are you referring to Focused Target?

[tall torrent]

I’m referring to the middle aura (+5% damage)

[worldly pulsar]

Ah, okay.

[tall torrent]

Basically, u have to have either middle aura or middle keystone, on top of mandatory 2x 5% ranged damage nodes and precision strikes

[worldly pulsar]

Right now I have Survivalist and Focus Target, with 2x ranged damage nodes and Precision Strikes.

Okay, cool. I know none of the breakpoints, so it's neat to see that I was pretty close to on the money regardless.

How's this, then:

Oh, the last point went into the TDR node after Superiority Complex

[vagrant whale]

no immunity to suppression?

[tall torrent]

1 free point, put into what u want

[tall torrent]

Plasma gun is innately suppression immune

[vagrant whale]

ah that makes sense

[worldly pulsar]

Oh, alright, thanks. My plasma isn't a perfect roll and is missing 9pts in ammo, so I'll go with Fully Loaded. Cheers!

[tall torrent]

This build uses unarmored + flak

[worldly pulsar]

Yeah, I figured since it lacks SC

[inland glade]

Excluding DS, what melee should I try next? I typically prefer horde clear

[hollow ibex]

Rachad

[slow spade]

psword is always there for vets

the ever reliable

[hollow ibex]

Waiting for them to fix the bug for losing charge on being hit

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[tall torrent]

I hope they keep it

You should get punished for getting hit

[narrow frost]

Psword should have more limits on what it can do

Keep the bug

Ooh, path

[tall torrent]

It’s too safe if u keep the charge even if u get hit

[narrow frost]

I'm trying to cook up a build for a psword and bolter for a newer player

[slow spade]

imo it should only turn off if your combo stops

[tall torrent]

Then it’s working as intended because getting hit does reset ur combo (for every melee weapon)

[umbral scaffold]

Scavanger, shout, and focus target that’s a Bolter build for you… unless you wanna go mroe melee then its weapon specialist

[slow spade]

yeah, no issues with its current "issue" though I wish it was a bit clearly what a "combo" is

[narrow frost]

I've heard a variety of ideas on the swap speed talent, does it work for bolter and helbore?

[tall torrent]

Works, doesn’t do a lot

[slow spade]

yes it does work on them

[quasi tree]

can someone share a good voc build?

[slow spade]

its only really useful for helbore and bolter