veteran-class

[tall torrent]

He has 1% chance to drop a frag grenade when he’s killed

Yes

[faint beacon]

That detonates

Or I can pick up

[tall torrent]

Detonates

[faint beacon]

Okay that might be funny

[grand perch]

just make every one have one extra blitz charge

[faint beacon]

Get some insane chain reactions with luck in HISTG

[grand perch]

4 ogryn nukes in maelstrom. plus field improv.

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-gif-8044239

[tall torrent]

It will be funny

[faint beacon]

You know how many zealots would seethe

At the idea of that rework and you run smoke

[tall torrent]

And it’s blitz of ur choosing

U could have enemies drop smoke on death

Or krak

[faint beacon]

Krak might be mediocre

[narrow frost]

Do a minor bit of trolling

Smokes though

[faint beacon]

Shredders and smokes might be the BNB

Literally a choice of kill more or ultra support

[tall torrent]

1% might be too low? Could be 2%

[frank basin]

you means like this

[tall torrent]

Yea
Except it’s for enemies when they die, they have %chance to drop a blitz (that u chose) on the floor that goes off

[faint beacon]

Can serrated get changed into something more interesting as well

Keep the concept of bleed

Just

It’s lacerate but a talent and you can hit weak points

[frank basin]

make scab bomber drop grenade or shoot on chest explode (again like flamer)

i wish if scab bomber drop grenade chances i can salvage regain grenade

[tall torrent]

I wish skirmisher & comp urge are made better first

[frank basin]

name yourself Skrimisher & comp urge enjoyer

i looking this helbore i made just... magnet my eyes onto it.

[faint beacon]

Well obviously they’re like

Shitter talents

Next to keep their heads down

KTHD is another

Absolutely doodooshit talent

[frank basin]

like tanner said is good

[faint beacon]

I don’t watch him

He said it’s good, that’s insane if so

[broken spade]

yeah no one would ever take kthd...

[frank basin]

he show recon and magdump around gunner he spawn just showing they cowering

that's it

[grand perch]

Lmao

[tall torrent]

I actually think KTHD is not that bad

[faint beacon]

It’s good for gunners that’s

Kinda about it

Shooters you can quickly dispatch

[tall torrent]

For exe I think that’s the best pick out of those three

Because FTE isn’t gonna matter much for the most part, and born leader only really matters with VoC

[faint beacon]

Even if FTE is minor I’d honestly take it over KTHD

[tall torrent]

Suppression is not only making enemies cower/reposition

Suppression also makes them shoot worse

[faint beacon]

I genuinely think KTHD needs a bit more to it to be actually worth putting on more builds

[tall torrent]

I think it’s ok for exe stance

Especially for guns that don’t get ghost

[broken spade]

i would rather just make bosses die slightly faster with fte

[frank basin]

this is my sniper build using exe stance, with fte

[faint beacon]

^

[tall torrent]

If red nodes maintained benefit throughout exe stance they’d go so hard

[idle swallow]

If they could throw on a damage bonus on suppressed enemies like powderburn for KTHD, I'd at least think about it a bit more for anti shooter builds

[faint beacon]

I’m pretty sure with Tac if you do it again it just refreshes FTE

[idle swallow]

maybe

[frank basin]

I never think of that, kthd and power burn

[faint beacon]

More damage on vet I want to avoid

But more elaborate ways like idfk Crit % increase or Weakspot on suppressed is fine by me

Idfk

That’s just spitballing

[crude fiber]

Does it make a noticeable difference in getting reapers to stop shooting at you?

[tall torrent]

Red nodes run out when they expire, u have to activate ability again

[tall torrent]

Yea

[frank basin]

it is like how fast reaper start cowering?

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s what I figured

Which is really fucking good with like

VA and the shooter node

Shit is usually always up

[tall torrent]

This means if u maintain exe for 20s

Marksman and CQKZ will both still only last 10s

[faint beacon]

I’ve managed to maintain it for over a minute+ before

You’d get like

20 seconds of value out of it

That’s if

[crude fiber]

Perma marksman seems like it would be pretty silly

[faint beacon]

I remember to press once it’s off CD

And that’s not even considering Tac Aware

[spark helm]

It's not too difficult to cycle exestance if you're playing quickly and consistently. Even without the ability buff bonuses, you can just drop shit and eat grunt shooters to keep the ult going anyway.

[faint beacon]

Added the fact if it’s already up

You’re basically refreshing its timer and activating red buffs again

Imo for anti shooters I’m going to take FTE

It’s kinda why I just ignore KTHDs existence

It needs a bit more to it

[spark helm]

What's fte again?

Came in late.

[tall torrent]

Boltgun takes 4 near shots (no hit) to suppress
With KTHD, it takes 3 near shots

[faint beacon]

For The Emperor!

That node

KTHD is Keep Their Heads Down

[crude fiber]

Do hits not count towards suppression? Only stagger? Asking for weaker guns like recon or autopistol

[faint beacon]

The 50% suppression

[tall torrent]

Hits do count

Without: 3 headshots to kill (no suppress)
With: 3 headshots to kill (suppress on 2nd headshot)

[crude fiber]

Guess ill try the meme autopistol suppression build

[faint beacon]

Do not

You’ll hate being alive

Do a Braced Suppression instead cause then at least you’ll feel like you’re doing something

I made a Brauto suppression build and it’s actually fun as a meme build

Shredder Auto?

I want to die

Never again

[crude fiber]

I've done it before but it's been a minute. It'll just be a melee build with the autopistol to stop people from shooting me. Probably bring smokes as well lol

[tall torrent]

Also, no, it’s more crit RNG dependent than what that +10% damage would do

[broken spade]

I mean vs the suppression node

unless you're gonna tell me suppression does more boss dps than an actual damage increase

if bosses take damage from suppression, i would love to hear about it

[tall torrent]

FTE is not high enough to be worth imo

[broken spade]

it's not 0

[frank basin]

5s feel short

[tall torrent]

I think a talent that only ever does something notable is boss damage and even then is low enough to not matter majority of the time

Is not very good

[broken spade]

It's also for all allies

10% buff for 4 people isn't the worst thing for a pathing choice

[tall torrent]

Still pretty meh

5s is too short

[broken spade]

it's also still doing more damage than suppression

[tall torrent]

You’re looking at maybe 1s faster boss kill?

[broken spade]

vs 0

the bar is very low here

[tall torrent]

Vs a talent that pretty much shuts down all gunners & shooters

[broken spade]

idk i just don't care. They're not exactly good at shooting you after getting shot at without the node either

[celest flax]

Never have i ever seen a Veteran pull up in their undies

[narrow frost]

how old is this pic?

[celest flax]

just now, playing with them right now

[queen fox]

👀

[brazen steppe]

[queen fox]

New shirtless bug dropped??????

Ask him how he did it

[frank basin]

those are bypasser modder

is a bug feature that fs don't like

[broken spade]

I've seen some people mention they have shirtless characters from a while back. I think they can't do it to more characters now

Someone mentioned having a shirtless character and being upset they couldn't do it on their main

[fathom kiln]

accatran mk ix combat shotgun builds?

[compact marsh]

Well, at least the IIIa has me covered.
Wish there was a shotty with a bayonet, for maximum "unsupervised 19 year old with a war crime stick" vibes.

[bronze trout]

Ogryns are the ones to get that unfortunately

[frank basin]

fullbore, scattershot (blessing).
flak, elite (perk).

don't following what i do, cuz i keep spam dragon breath all time.

you do your

[tall torrent]

Check pinned guide

[tall torrent]

Nah, this is not good

[fathom kiln]

need a good talent tree suitable

[frank basin]

for a shotgun...

[frank basin]

i means depend your playstyle

VoC is fit for shotgun

now for keystone? is either you pick Weapon specialist or focus target for you to decide

or be keystoneless

do you have melee weapon?

[fathom kiln]

power maul

trying to make a fun build thats different from my other vet ones

[frank basin]

shock maul eh

do you like fast pace style?

going CQB style like

be the WS

[ionic laurel]

hi im having a hard time leveling veteran compared to pysker and leveling guides basically dont exist for this game, anything in particular that sticks out early gun/trait wise

i have kraks rn and they are pretty useless on malice tbh

[fathom kiln]

yes

ca n youhelp'

perks and stuff for power maul and talent tree recommendations?

[frank basin]

well i like you to try have some creativity

pick the "always prepare" is nice for shotgun

[fathom kiln]

bro talent tree pls

[frank basin]

fine, give me 1 match me ill be right back

[hollow ibex]

You don’t really need a leveling guide, it’s just grind to 30

And there’s a guide in the pins

[orchid hemlock]

build thru this:

just follow that line

[ionic laurel]

Yeah I’ve heard voice of command is cracked

Appreciate it, ig I’ll pick up a las rifle or bolter at some point to complement the nades

Assail is kinda broken early diffs so im really feeling it compared to psyker 😭

[orchid hemlock]

If u want a broken gun just pick up any IAG

[ionic laurel]

Ill just use whatever, definitely steering clear of plasma and dueling though for sure later. thanks again

[terse idol]

Plasma is verryy good

Dueling sword is eh alright to kill specials and crushers

[orchid hemlock]

I think u r given a free IAG at level 1

I don't remember tho

[fathom kiln]

so ?

[frank basin]

still in matches

[faint beacon]

DS5 with Uncanny Rampage is pretty

fucked

[terse idol]

[deft crystal]

dump stat for hellbore

[terse idol]

Gotta take the nootesss

[spark helm]

Shock maul isn't as bad as I thought it'd feel. Pairs neatly with helbore lasguns.

All roads return to Huntsman Kruber. I'll never be free.

[primal zealot]

Hellebore is the dumpstat

[faint beacon]

You'll notice its downsides with Multiple Ogryns or Bosses, but its still a fun pick

I put up with the shovel it suffers the same issue but it has uncanny so it can slightly bypass terrible Unyeilding damage

[spark helm]

Luckily, the special attack isn't a chore and its little zappy shit is more fluid than I thought. Can the static chain?

I never paid enough attention in the middle of shit.

[faint beacon]

Like perma stun?

in situations you typically run into its risky

[pale pecan]

I give up lol

[faint beacon]

but you can lock down a crusher permanently if its by itself

[pale pecan]

I just clutched the current auric maelstrom for a buncha noobs

on 2 hp full corruption

[faint beacon]

2 HP

[pale pecan]

for them to blow me up with a barrel and steal my nades

fuck them

[faint beacon]

Amazing

[pale pecan]

They can't beat it by themselves anyways

[faint beacon]

this is why you dont play hero with players like that

[pale pecan]

It was an accident tbf BUT FUCKKKKK

Like c'mon how bad do you have to be to drag me down with you

I feel so bad cuz I've been there too once but ughhhhh

[frank basin]

@fathom kiln here ya go

[fathom kiln]

thanks 🙏

goated

[pale pecan]

Is this a BG Volley build?

Or what

[fathom kiln]

i wonder if its identical to my autogun vet build

[frank basin]

that's is for shotgun

autogun would be different

[pale pecan]

I will say tho

Chainaxe is growing on me with this nade build

[frank basin]

desperadodude want shock maul and accatran shotgun build

[pale pecan]

AH

[frank basin]

i made antax caxe like old time, i had chainaxe used quite long

[broken spade]

Does shotgun really need all that reload speed?

[pale pecan]

I'm using it with Opportunist and Thunderous with my grenade build

it shreds groups of armor

It's so goated

[frank basin]

before that second chainaxe add in, BM used to be bad like do cleave damage on kill not ignore hit mass

[frank basin]

i feel i need faster reload because i need load more bullet to kill them

[broken spade]

but you have always prepared anyways

[frank basin]

horde body blocking and flamer right behind them

[frank basin]

i loaded 1

only 1

for 3.3%

[broken spade]

swap between every kill

[frank basin]

yeah i tested

take 10 kill to proc 1 load round

[broken spade]

it rounds up from 1 kill

you can do 1 kill

[frank basin]

okay then got chu then

[broken spade]

idk i don't play shotgun vet that much but putting that much reload speed seems excessive for a WS build

[frank basin]

i think 2 point left are miscellanous

just max out reloadspeed for kek

@fathom kiln yo for top talent Long shot and volley adapt you can unpick those and choose whatever remaining 2 points you like, or keep if you want reload speed fastest

[timid wolf]

Toughness curios are the meta, right?

[frank basin]

ehhh sort not

[ionic laurel]

I'm not trying to ruin the game for myself lmao, everyone is saying it's borderline gamebreaking so ill just wait until it gets nerfed eventually

[frank basin]

just useful

[tall torrent]

They’re good, but ideally u still want >200 health

[timid wolf]

How do you check your health? Do you need a mod?

[tall torrent]

U can do the maths urself

Or load into meat grinder and see

Or use inventory stats mod

[timid wolf]

Oh, I have 165

[fathom kiln]

huh

[timid wolf]

Whats a good toughness/health benchmark?

[tall torrent]

wtf

[frank basin]

these just two extra point i put in, you can unpick these two and choose other.

[tall torrent]

200 health
20% sniper resist
Everything else up to u

[frank basin]

he ask me for build

[tall torrent]

Yea, wtf is that build

[frank basin]

a fucking shock maul and accatran shotgun

[fathom kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/david-blaine-surprise-in-yo-face-gif-11915578

[frank basin]

is up to you

i put there just see what if fit

[fathom kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/dawg-skull-emoji-gif-24661581

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/never-cook-again-never-cook-cook-never-goku-gif-3962474524105307442

@fathom kiln

Shock maul + shotgun

[timid wolf]

So I guess big toughness number isn't really all that important? Especially with shout?

[tall torrent]

It’s not very good but if u have to use them, smth like this

[tall torrent]

High toughness does matter, but it’s not as high priority as getting >200 health

[timid wolf]

Alright, I guess I'll run 2 tough 1 health trinket to get to >200 health

[tall torrent]

You’d need multiple health perks on curios then

[timid wolf]

Yep.

2 to be precise, I think.

[tall torrent]

3

Unless u take either of the 5% health nodes from talent

[timid wolf]

Wait so an extra 5% wont get me from 195 to 200?

Yeah I have the 5% node in the tree.

[tall torrent]

Usually it’s better to go 2x health on veteran, gives u a lot of freedom with curio perks

[timid wolf]

What are the better perks besides not getting gibbed by snipers and extra health/toughness?

[tall torrent]

Sprint efficiency is pretty good on veteran

Gunner resist is basically always a good pick

Extra toughness is fine

[fathom kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1093828468329938996/1186597389771997305/attachment.gif

[tall torrent]

Stamina regen is ok

Extra dockets are always pretty good

[tall torrent]

He gave u one of the most cursed builds on veteran ever

[frank basin]

and you gonna tell "use mine instead, trust"?

[tall torrent]

What do u think

[frank basin]

he use shock maul why need the precision strike

idk what mark he use

for shock maul

[tall torrent]

Shock maul is not shovel

Shock maul actually has finesse

[frank basin]

the mark 3 heavy attack strike down make sense

[tall torrent]

And combat shotguns want precision strikes for 1 taps

[frank basin]

is accratran

[broken spade]

yeah ngl i thought it was wack too but i don't play either of those weapons so i didn't say anything

[frank basin]

can it snipe?

does ADS tighten the spread of the shotgun?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[frank basin]

see this my usual favorite machine gunner normally use on graia braced auto

does this make you hate it?

[tall torrent]

wtf

[broken spade]

wtf

[tall torrent]

Ykw this explains a lot why u keep going down when we were playing

[frank basin]

as a psyker

[broken spade]

ok now i'm scared of your psyker builds

how bad is it

[tall torrent]

I can’t find a single other description to that besides “wtf”

[frank basin]

lets go over my sniper build then

[tall torrent]

I’d rather not tbh

[broken spade]

morbidly curious

[primal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-is-that-full-metal-jacket-ronald-lee-ermey-hartman-gif-10321193652437803678

[frank basin]

open wide

[timid wolf]

Thanks for the info!

[tall torrent]

I think ur vet might be the reason why Cadia fell

[broken spade]

what gun is this for?

[frank basin]

for the sniper build? i use universally like inf lasgun, graia vigilant, revolver (agripinna), mk 2 helbore

i swap out different when im bored playing certain weapon

[broken spade]

i was gonna guess bolter

[frank basin]

no bolter, that's different loadout for commander build

he also use universally weapon

[primal zealot]

If I see a build like that I’m votekicking ong fr

[frank basin]

toxic menality

[foggy wadi]

whats a good tree for these plasma gun?

[broken spade]

first thought was helbore but then i saw no shock trooper

[frank basin]

i said universally

if i swap to non lasgun it won't do anything

[broken spade]

oh

[tall torrent]

2 variations
left if u want survivalist (requires focus target keystone for breakpoints)
right if u want weapon specialist (requires fire team aura for breakpoints)

[broken spade]

btw there's a mod for more loadout slots if you weren't aware

so you don't have to just keep using the same loadouts for all your weapons

[frank basin]

i like keep it tidy fit

compact loadout

[brisk umbra]

i mean, you really don't need any specific with the plasma

[frank basin]

@tall torrent here go check why im downed as gunker (tox gas modfier i hate it blur out my vision)

[brisk umbra]

the HS bonus is nice, then wahtever you want

[broken spade]

that sounds less organized than just having a build for each weapon, but ok

[broken spade]

I have so many questions
But main thing is, why did you go warp charges instead of DD on gunpsyker? It's not like you're shriek spamming so...

[frank basin]

this one i made update after using illisi not greatl; swap to ds sword, still using Mk XII recon

[tall torrent]

This opens more questions than it answers

[frank basin]

no people already killed highlighted target

i couldn't get stack in some scenario

[broken spade]

just about every decision on that tree hurts me spiritually

[brisk umbra]

They changed it

It's now MUCH easier to keep chargesup

[broken spade]

DD is pretty easy to stack now

[brisk umbra]

Before it was utter shit and impossible to stack, so i agree

[broken spade]

yeah recent changes made it really nice

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/never-cook-again-never-cook-cook-never-goku-gif-3962474524105307442

[frank basin]

this one for Discount zealot psyker

[tall torrent]

this is my honest reaction

[frank basin]

i like bring most your friend here see my build

make them see how their eyes will bleed or not

[broken spade]

yeah this still wants DD

i think maybe your impression of DD is outdated

because it used to be a lot worse

[frank basin]

i tried dd just highlight target die from teammate killing

my psyker just slow ass

[broken spade]

I think if you can't kill anything, that might be a problem that's beyond the issues of the keystone

i mean you can get 3 stacks on kill that lasts 10 seconds each.
The only way you're dropping stacks faster than you gain them is if you failed to get a single target for 30 seconds straight...

[frank basin]

marked target grant 2.5s for 20% movement speed

yeah is marked tier 2 enemies

shooters too

[fathom kiln]

agi mk i a

[frank basin]

and higher

[frank basin]

here's the commander build; ranged use bolter, shotguns (accatran, agrippinna), shredder pistol, Lasgun infantry MkIIb (the fastest rate of fire lasgun), some laspistol, boltpistol.

only damn singular chainsword mk XIIIg

[hollow ibex]

Going for tac reload better IMO

Just so you don’t have to take long shit

[frank basin]

if i have compulsize reload, yes

i think my role just piortize elite and special

not all time

[fast sundial]

why

[broken spade]

scroll up

there was a worse one

somehow

[fast sundial]

seen it

[fast sundial]

again, why

[frank basin]

@broken spade there the loadout i use plasma and power sword

[fast sundial]

skipping iron will for extra smoke regen

skipping iron will again

[tall torrent]

[broken spade]

you take reload speed for plasma?

[tall torrent]

Welcome to my pain

[broken spade]

that gun reloads 4-6 times per game

[frank basin]

i think scoring lot elite that's why

[broken spade]

that doesn't matter though

[frank basin]

i've call this loadout "anti-tank"

[broken spade]

it barely needs to reload

[fast sundial]

banish this one from the kitchen

[stuck gorge]

I’m going to be honest I’ve never seen a single plasma gun vet user reload before

[broken spade]

you reload literally once if you dump all of your ammo

[fast sundial]

that's what elevators are for

[frank basin]

the reload probably try vent all heat out

[fast sundial]

or, weapon spec

[broken spade]

you can press the vent button

[frank basin]

i don't wanna lose toughness

[fast sundial]

ok

[frank basin]

i do vent some time

not all time

[stuck gorge]

You lose like 20 toughness max if you have iron will tho

[fast sundial]

which is skipped

[broken spade]

you have confirmed kill
You probably gain toughness faster than you lose it most of the time

if you've killed anything, you have full toughness

[tall torrent]

I’m not gonna bother trying

[fathom kiln]

@frank basin what do i put on my maul

[frank basin]

haven't you read some blessing and decide from yourself?

[fathom kiln]

meta

[frank basin]

🤦‍♂️

I don't use shock maul tbh

[fathom kiln]

you seem like that kinda guy

[frank basin]

WHY

[fathom kiln]

we all know

[frank basin]

dear tech priest, everyone here do not like my corpsestarch invention

they expel it out

sincere

[fathom kiln]

thrust + skullcrusher?

[frank basin]

@fathom kiln why not try download mod loadout config and test some blessing

[frank basin]

high voltage skullcrusher

[fathom kiln]

such defilement of holy relics is considered profane

blasphemer

[frank basin]

[fathom kiln]

high voltage + skullcrusher seems cringe

[frank basin]

opportunist work

[final stone]

I did not want to retype

buy this cosmetic or you're a heretic

[brisk umbra]

just had a game for the event where we had around 25 bosses in a 35min mission

[frank basin]

too brokie

[bronze trout]

What can I buy with 200 fatshark funbucks

[frank basin]

i have 300 fatbuck

[pliant prawn]

you lose toughness for venting plasma?

[frank basin]

yeah

[pliant prawn]

odd

psykers get away with free venting

[frank basin]

last time worse plasma is take your health

[pliant prawn]

i hated weapons that vented in vermintide 2 because losing hp felt so bad

stupid temp health meta

[foggy wadi]

Does anynoe have a good weapon spec tree for the Double Barrell and whats a good melee to go with it?

[pliant prawn]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds you can filter builds by the weapons they use

[bronze trout]

I never know if I can trust a build from that site

[pliant prawn]

true

[foggy wadi]

Agreed. It's why I ask here. Sure I can look up a build and go but that's also the point if this channel. Ask about builds

[pliant prawn]

i just posted that cuz i dunno lol

i feel like all 3 tree paths for vet can work with double barrel

no idea what melee you'd want though. probably something that is the opposite of what you use your shotgun for

so either horde clear or single target

[foggy wadi]

i would disagree with this. weapon spec with always prepared is just to good not to use with this weapon.

[pliant prawn]

oh i meant moreso like the abilities

forgot about keystones

sharpshooter (or whatever it's called) is probably meh with shotgun unless u can make good use of ur grace period from headshotting enemies

[tall torrent]

It’s not a big deal

[broken spade]

confirmed kill makes it a non-issue. You just out regen the vent damage

[broken spade]

pick rashad and have both

weapon specialist builds also just happen to have good nodes for rashad from pathing there

[jovial sluice]

Banana

[crimson pebble]

i don't think so

[tight glacier]

cool

[hidden torrent]

The best build is the one you're most proud of

[slow sky]

LMAo

[tall torrent]

[frank basin]

did you just scrolled up?

[slow sky]

i clicked on vet chat and it put me there

[frank basin]

oh okay

wdym there?

you witnessed?

[broken spade]

scroll up and it gets so much worse

witness the psyker builds

[frank basin]

#ogryn-class message

i sent more in that chat

of an ogryn

[past haven]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d65de81-ce69-4089-a48d-d614c95a1b74/always-at-least-one-barrel?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button Here’s what I use. Dueling Sword handles bigger targets, Double-barrel helps its poor horde clear. Pretty fun

[foggy wadi]

i just need a good build for it while i level its mastery

[orchid hemlock]

this build is sorta questionable, why one motion/out for blood, hunter's resolve? why close quarter killzone if you have no grenade replenishment node?

[past haven]

I’m happy to hear critiques! I’m nowhere near perfect. I’m on mobile right now and don’t know all the talent names off the top of my head, so I can’t answer those questions. I don’t take the grenade replenishment with smokes because I only use them to block off large groups of gunners.

[orchid hemlock]

i mean smokes aren't amazing, but it sorta is minimum to every vet build to have some way to replenish nades so that u never need to touch a stockpile on the map

[tropic notch]

People made fun of my psyker build because i didn’t use any modifiers with venting shrike

And for not running the 40 peril reduction

[orchid hemlock]

😭

[silent cloud]

Smokes are useful in higher difficulty

[past haven]

I’ll look at those talents you mentioned as soon as I can. Maybe I’ll reevaluate a bit. Thank you for the advice!

[silent cloud]

Protect ogryns from the gunners

[orchid hemlock]

this part of the build is what makes the least sense tho

[silent cloud]

And cover yourself from snipers

[orchid hemlock]

why do u need one motion and out for blood?

[tropic notch]

I’m not taking 30- toughness from all sources bruh

[tropic notch]

What da hell

[elder fiber]

I never take peril reduction

[past haven]

Is One Motion the swap speed? I just grabbed that because I’m swapping all the time, figured it would help. And Out for Blood, is that toughness on Elite kill? I used to run the “toughness when weapon spec activates,” but I didn’t feel like I could activate it often enough. Sure there’s toughness from stealth, but I thought it would be good to have some other ways of generating toughness.

[orchid hemlock]

what is the DB's pullout speed, I imagine it isn't very long

let me check the guide maybe it says it there

one motion is rly only useful on things like plasma, bolt, and helbore tho

[past haven]

You have an excellent point. I definitely have some testing to do, I could move those around.

Much appreciated!

[tall torrent]

Nah that node is really situational

It’s a “win more” talent

[orchid hemlock]

i would prob do something like this, but this is for the knife not a DS:

@tall torrent does knife like duck and dive?

[tall torrent]

It’s nice but not entirely necessary

[orchid hemlock]

for DS u dont need DD or stam regen, so u have 2 points to spare

[past haven]

I’ll take those out and reinvest ASAP. Not sure where yet, but still. Thanks again! I should post builds for advice more often it seems

[orchid hemlock]

tbh i never liked stealth on vet, feels too inconsistent

but that prob is because I have been VOC pileld 😔

[steep pelican]

How important is rending strikes for vraks? I can't fit it into my meme knife build

[spark helm]

Lore nerds: what's standard issue for where we are in darktide?

For vets ig.

Bored and I just finished leveling all the masteries. Focusing on bis for veteran now ig.

[faint beacon]

IAG's ILAG's, Shovels, Knives

Technically if you want to push higher operative Reject you could do VA's and Devils Claw or Heavy Sword

Like you'll be forcing yourself into hardcore standard issue stuff

[vital wedge]

You guys have any nice build for laspistol? Which varient is your favorite and what blessing to use?

[hollow ibex]

Mk2 is the good one

I don’t have dedicated laspistol builds. I just run it with my melee builds

[rocky jacinth]

Ghost + Dumdum or Desperado

[lavish token]

talking about yourself in the third person is rather strange behavior lmao

[stiff surge]

Its beautiful

[faint beacon]

Deleted

lmao

[errant carbon]

Between being an Inquisition agent and relying on scavenged and repaired+reconsecrated gear, there is no standard issue

[hollow ibex]

One of the curios is only 410. Literally unplayable

[stiff surge]

Which is odd, considering its perfect

The way Curios power scale perplexes me

[hollow ibex]

Yeah fatshart math

[stiff surge]

both of these are +3 stam, and have 3 tier 4 perks, yet are 10 power apart

like, how.

That math isnt mathing

[hollow ibex]

400 power 3 stam curios are fake

They only give 2 stam

Fatshart math

[rocky jacinth]

one is a cool little statuette, the other one's a skeleton hand eww why do you have this -10 points

[hollow ibex]

Well actually that’s worse than just bad math

[errant carbon]

Everything about Darktide's gear system is downstream of the fact they wanted to make a live service looter shooter but didn't have the resources to pull it off

[stiff surge]

yeah lol

[ancient path]

do i want agile engagement for combat shotguns?

[stiff surge]

No way; for real? Have I been baited this whole time?

[rocky jacinth]

I'm pretty sure they show up as 3 stam in the psykhaneum but sneakily drop down to 2 as soon as you connect to a match

[stiff surge]

Stat displayer mod still says I get 3 from both of them

[rocky jacinth]

rat behavior

[tall torrent]

Yes

[ancient path]

coo. wish you could alt fire faster tho

[tame lodge]

Psyker supremacy 🗣️

Surety Shotgun goes brrrr

[thin flame]

which sapper shovel mark is best for horde clear?

[hollow ibex]

mk 1

[thin flame]

uhhh, what blessings

[hearty panther]

skullcrusher + decimator

[thin flame]

huh, alrighty then

[thin flame]

so the alt fire on it is primarily a stunning jab aye?

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[midnight totem]

Even in vt2

Elf players man

[elder fiber]

if you don't have dedicated anti armor secondary you probably want uncanny on mk1 shovel

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-joey-tribbiani-it-was-me-it's-me-friends-gif-16459238154669060766

[deft crystal]

Vet build that just deletes everything on screen

Vraks

rashaad

kraks

3 toughness

shout

weapon spec

[atomic zephyr]

what vraks

there’s a billion of them

[earnest bone]

vraks V

[regal belfry]

columnus

i ask why they renamed stuff

[dry cloak]

Obese megalodon said vraks 5 its vraks 5

[bronze trout]

Whens the hotshot las and heavy stubber coming

[hollow ibex]

because they want to confuse the shit out of everyone

[paper salmon]

Dump stat on Plasma gun? Sotpping Power or Thermal Resistance?

[austere mica]

Complicated

69% thermal 71% charge rate

[swift geyser]

I've never used plasma, but I would inspect the Stopping Power and see what it does. sometimes that stat adds damage, sometimes it doesnt

[austere mica]

It does

You want a stupid specific split because it gives an extra shot from zero heat to full

[fast sundial]

but why care about zero heat when some of the best blessings want high heat anyway (and 1 vent tick is enough for two shots with 60% thermal resist)

[tall torrent]

Because plasma does start from 0% heat in between fights (no other tool or reason to maintain high heat between fights) and being able to rapid kill 8 elite/specialists instead of 7 is nice

And u do not gain heat intervals (that matter for those blessings’ stack scaling) slower by getting that 8 shot thermal resist breakpoint

[pale pecan]

interesting

[tall torrent]

It’ll still take the same exact shots to reach the same blessing stack values

[hollow ibex]

truly incredible

just lost a game because a psyker was too busy wanking to his LMB

to drop the medkit

on the last event

[soft river]

How would maniac, weakspot, hotshot and surgical do on MK 5 Helbore?

[fast sundial]

weakspot and crit are generally weak perks

[hollow ibex]

most intelligent m1 psyker right here

[strange summit]

If I'm using a melee vet with the sapper shovel mk 1, and I want a gun I can quickly swap to and shoot an elite or a special before swapping back, what gun would you recommend?
I'm currently using the bolter, and the character likes to kill a little time looking over the gun instead of just using it, and I'm looking for an alternative.

[split bison]

Bolt Pistol or Stub Revolver.

[strange summit]

Thanks, do the shotguns not fit the bill?

[split bison]

Both have that big-iron one tap energy and a much faster swap-speed than the normal bolter.

[split bison]

Shotguns can fill the bill, but usually have range issues.

And consistancy issues.

[strange summit]

Sounds about right, tyvm

[split bison]

Just remember to check the guide and make sure your weapons synergize.

All three of them should, with Superiority Complex and Bring it Down! being the main critical talents you want to have.

The Revolver has the faster draw overall but I personally feel like the Bolt Pistol is a bit more forgiving from personal use, especially if you're paring your build with Fire Team aura and VoC.

[earnest bone]

Zarona mk2 revolver, Vraks mk5 IAG, Recon Lasgun XII/XIV, Bolt Pistol, Agri 8 braced, Laspistol mk2

[strange summit]

Thanks

[earnest bone]

if you want perks/blessings, vet guide in the pins has it all

[strange summit]

Understood, I'll look into that in the near future

[soft river]

what if I always stabbing head or shooting head

[fast sundial]

still not particularly good

better to just pick a perk that helps deal with bigger/more important targets

[soft river]

fair enough thank you

[earnest bone]

the problem is that the scaling formula is bad, that's why it's garbage, unless it's high values like 30-60-100-120%

[stoic thorn]

I NEED THAT LOYALIST MOEBIAN ARMOUR

It's just about as close to the Scions as I've got

4.5k BLESSING POINTS??? OUTRAGEOUS

[solar bone]

So uh, does charge rate still effect plasma gun damage or did they finally fix that?

[odd sparrow]

They fixed that thankfully

[lusty sapphire]

it only ads like 4/5 dmg lol

Well maybe that's a bit exaggerated but it's very low

[knotty veldt]

whats dump stat for devils claw?

[dire olive]

Mobility

[vital wedge]

I want the loyalist helmet fused with mask.

[knotty veldt]

which blessings/perks for devils claw?

[supple stag]

Flak/Maniac
Rampage/Shred

[green willow]

i want to try the autopistol

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-hank-walter-screaming-walter-yelling-gif-26473309

[placid portal]

Brauto/Vraks IAG

[tame lodge]

Was it Blaze Away Pinning Fire?

[green willow]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-whale-the-whale-fraiser-camera-gif-3764417687302677901

gm shouties

[dry niche]

Does power blast partially benefit plasma guns normal shots since they charge a bit

[green willow]

executor or uncanny strike

[thorn lark]

uncanny

[green willow]

how fast do you have to be for executor

[dapper agate]

Rough match.

[regal belfry]

damnation maelstroem?

[slow spade]

Sedition low intensity

[dapper agate]

no this was just auric damnation. 💀

felt like auric maelstrom but even worse.

[regal belfry]

shocktroops?

[dapper agate]

yeah

[slow spade]

should have prayed harder to the Emperor 💪

[dapper agate]

We did make it but was hellish, more so then normal.

[regal belfry]

the spawner was like kill them to death

[dapper agate]

Yeah basically the director snorted 15 lines

[tame lodge]

Executor is not only about speed
It'll drop all stacks if you hit non weakspots
You can hit air though

[serene bough]

executor dropping on non-weakspot hits is a killer for me

granted, as long as you hit a weakspot per swing on multiple enemies it wont drop stacks, which is nice

[ancient path]

am i the only one that thinks combat shotguns sound kinda whimpy.

[hearty panther]

the accatran sounds exactly right

otherwise i agree

[ancient path]

does it?

still kinda fun, though.

[muted prairie]

if i yell at myself that cadia stands loud enough, do you think that'll fix my cold or do i need a med stimm for that

[ancient path]

itll fix it. you just have to scream it very loudly

[stoic thorn]

What do yall think is the highest damage a vet can achieve in one shot

From any weapon

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-exterminatus-explode-gif-16225998

[stoic thorn]

If you scream VoC voicelines enough times you'll regain enough toughness to last the cold

[tame lodge]

Probably a Helbore 4

[queen fox]

Not plasma?

[grand perch]

i imagine calculating every possible buff to achieve max damage is quite tedious

[queen fox]

Yeah it's either plasma or helbore and I don't care enough to find out which because both can 1tap crushers if built right iirc

[fast sundial]

i imagine it is a thrust ds4

or slaughterer rampage ps6 (meme weapon)

or, more likely

kraks

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah totally forgot about that one

[stoic thorn]

What's ds and ps

[frank basin]

dueling sword

power sword

[thorn lark]

I wish I knew that before COVID

[stoic thorn]

Dress as a Veteran

Go to the hospital

And start screaming VoC voicelines at dying patients

Clearly they don't have toughness

[frank basin]

forgot you don't have "Only duty does end"

can't revive

[stoic thorn]

Do remember to take the one that revives them

If you're too late then you fucking suck at your job

If they die after you scream at them, they're a heretic anyway

[tame lodge]

Foul

Lmfao

[stoic thorn]

Sorry HERETICS, only the gigachad loyalists can benefit from voice of command

Have your skull be crushed against your bed frame while I scream

[fast sundial]

doctor cadia walks into the hospital, screams "leave none alive" and every terminally ill patient is restored to their prime

[stoic thorn]

The FOUL heretics (security guards) will try to down you (tase you) so use your cadian chainsword (handheld chainsaw) to purge them (bisect them brutally)

This will trigger the Specialist Strike Teams (SWAT teams) to descend from their Valkyries (Helicopters) to kill you (WITH BULLETS!!!!) So whip out your trusty recon lasgun (Any bullpup rifle) and start screaming Voice of Command to send them flying

Go to the local prison ship (Homeless shelter) to recruit more rejects (Homeless people on meth) to wage war against the Heretics (the government) in Tertium

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/floating-levitating-levitation-black-guy-gif-20123481

[frank basin]

am bored

[stoic thorn]

Commit to multiple missions like Chasm Station Logistratum

[frank basin]

chat went silence, european asleeped

[stoic thorn]

(Raiding military ammo depots)

[grand perch]

its not even evening in europe

[stoic thorn]

The symbol of the Cadians is a skull in a house?

[stoic thorn]

Coincidence?

[frank basin]

that's House

[grand perch]

all i see is cutthroat vet

[stoic thorn]

Have you use the Medicae drug?

Only stupid people use the Medicae drug

I suggest he takes Ogryn Bites

[grand perch]

but Dr Cutthroat this will kill the patient, unless its a 1 in 10 billion chance illness

[stoic thorn]

"But but doctor cadia ogryn bites will kill the patient"

"You're a PSYKER"

"This vexes me"

If I'm right, the Patient lives, if I'm wrong, the patient dies anyway

And then the patient gets cured because Dr Cadia got Ogryn Bites administered

And then Dr Cadia says "I'm the smartest karker in the world" or smth

[fast sundial]

dr. cadia does not curse

[stoic thorn]

1984

God it would be really funny if you got hit in the mouth by a melee attack and your Character had a lisp for the rest of the game

[earnest bone]

48 minutes ouch

[stoic thorn]

And it would be also very funny if VoC vets started coughing and developing sore throats after using VoC too much and without medicae

And it would be funnier if ogryns could throw poxies and groaners like mutants

[grand perch]

Cadia liveth!

accidental auld english

[fading yarrow]

Aight this has been bugging me for a few days now and I need to know

Does the Suppression Immunity talent make Gunners unable to slow me down while shooting me or have I been gaslighting myself for months?

[grand perch]

not entirely sure, but i dont think it helps with the slowdown

only this one does iirc

[stoic thorn]

I really don't like when people pick up Grimoires

And there's not a lot I can do

Because I play in Asia

And with the boxes for names I don't know whether I'm playing with Japanese, Chinese or Koreans

(Mostly it's people from Hong Kong or the Mainland itself who are the chinese)

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtu.be/dvIWSz089YM?si=wCBP0Vl2ajYr4tQr

OK now it's personal

They touch my recon

They better be ready 😡

[floral hearth]

Find them first and then dispose of them

[tame lodge]

"Veteran Recon Lasgun Cookie Cutter Meta Build "

That could be shortened

[grand perch]

VRLCCMTB

im not feeling it

[floral hearth]

Viral cuck combat

Wait no

[orchid hemlock]

🤮

Oh wow it gets worse

Trash build -5/10, uninstall the game right now, delete the youtube account, go eat some lentils 😤

[umbral scaffold]

It does help slowdown but it’s super pitiful, it’s ment to be an o shit moments for vets but usually you either don’t engage in that situation at all, or just use shout as an oh shit “or go invisible”

[hollow ibex]

AI-generated slop

[junior grail]

Is Tunnel Vision bugged?

Doesnt feel like its working

[lusty sapphire]

Legit a psykanum build

[lusty sapphire]

Where is that?

[turbid frigate]

What's the dump stats for infantry auto, boltgun rifle, helbore Las, chainaxe,

[lusty sapphire]

Oh no. It's working fine. I played with it yesterday

[junior grail]

How does it give back Toughness? Doesn't feel like I'm getting back Toughness with Marksman stacks

[grand perch]

it increases toughness you get back from other sources

(except coherency toughness)

[tame lodge]

If it has mobility it's mobility
If it has defense it's defense

[turbid frigate]

@tame lodge helbore...

[lusty sapphire]

Toughness replenishment is a multiplier

[lusty sapphire]

stability

[tame lodge]

Stability

[turbid frigate]

Ty

[lusty sapphire]

If it doesn't influence dmg it's a dump stat

[junior grail]

Ohhhhhh

[tame lodge]

Helby has like minimal sway and stuff like that

[grand perch]

50% toughness back from every weakspot kill would be nuts

or 75% with 15 stacks node

[turbid frigate]

Found out last night damage was the dump stst on flamer.. that's why I ask now

[lusty sapphire]

That's a special case

and even then you can dump mobility

[turbid frigate]

So chain axe is defense or mobility?

[runic flower]

install the mod Found Ya and set grimoires to the max distance
rush grimoires and destroy them before anyone can do anything

[stoic thorn]

You can destroy grimoires?

[lusty sapphire]

Doesn't matter

[runic flower]

yes

[stoic thorn]

Tell me how

Is it just a button

Or do I like need to unload a round into them

[runic flower]

iirc just dropping them destroys them

[tame lodge]

M1

M2 you push around with it

Book to the face

[pseudo fiber]

This is also fun

[lusty sapphire]

One of the mouse buttons yeah

[lusty sapphire]

Personally I'd still dump mobility cause defence changes the push cost too

[spark helm]

Hold down mouse 1 and complete the animation. The grimoire will explode and corruption is purged.

I don't recall if the purge is only for the holder but that's the only other way to lose a grimoire once picked up.

[stoic thorn]

I wish if you pick up a grimoire friendly fire is enabled

And it's one way friendly fire so I can kill you but you can't hurt me

The 3rd China Chinese player in a row after picking up the Grimoire (I'm about to unload my signature Exe Stance + Plasma + 8 Focus Stacks onto them)

[pseudo fiber]

Its for everyone

[stoic thorn]

We should be able to do more against grimoires

Picking up Grimoires makes you a heretic wizard

Minimal reward maximum pain

Picking them up should make the user contract aids or smth

Shits probably full of nurgle wizardry

Picking grimoires up results in instanteous violent and explosive combustion

[queen fox]

Picking up grimiores should be a debuff and scriptures should be a buff

[pseudo fiber]

Pick up Grim
"I'm gonna brown Sah"

[tame lodge]

More corruption taken from all sources from Grims
Small amount of TDR from scrips

[turbid frigate]

Dump stat on plasma gun?

[frank basin]

None, if you want perfect plasma is 70/70 on thermal resist and charge rate. Other wise 60 charge rate for non-perfect plasma

[turbid frigate]

70/70 in 2 stats?

Ok

[frank basin]

Is expensive to roll 70/70 thermal resist and charge rate

If you’re lucky enough

[turbid frigate]

Ok for infantry lasgun and recon Las, stability or mobility?

[frank basin]

Mobility

[tall torrent]

69 thermal resist, 71 charge rate, 80 everything else

[balmy flume]

...
notices the Grimoire hate
quietly looks at the now never to be completed Grimoire collection penances

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/every-day-every-day-i-wake-up-i-wake-up-marriage-story-marriage-story-wake-up-gif-19948669

Good morning babe Melk reset today

[turbid frigate]

@tall torrent is the plasma the only weapon to have meta split stats?

[grand perch]

yes

on vet at least dunno about others

[turbid frigate]

What's the best infantry and vigilant autogun variants?

[balmy flume]

I would say Agripinaa (the longest chonk autogun if the name has changed) is best IAG

Not sure about vigilant

[grand perch]

nah the fastest firing IAG is still busted

ex. columnus

[turbid frigate]

Mark 5?

[grand perch]

vraks 5 now i think?

[turbid frigate]

Kk

And for vigilant?

[grand perch]

best vigilant is the single shot

mk VII

[umbral scaffold]

I go off color is far easier

Ok I’m going off old names so SORRY but I played since year one and I prefer the old names over new

SO….. for the auto guns the best is Colomnus(Blue). Best Dmr is Head Hunter(Tan). Best Helbore (Green). Best laspistol(Green) Best Accatran (Tan) Best Kantreal(Green/Tan), best Revolver(Green)

[orchid hemlock]

I'm color blind

Here just use Path's tier list:

[umbral scaffold]

So what makes one trick

Is it cause of just how it needs to combo with perks? Or that it under performs

[orchid hemlock]

Path describes it as being good at one specific thing, but ask him when he gets on

For example, Chain sword is good at wave clearing, but that's it

[umbral scaffold]

lol the devil claw is far better

But I will agree the chain sword is suppose to be mixed in anti armor and horde which it’s decent at both

So if does depend on how you build it , but then again yeah it’s best to focus on one or another

[orchid hemlock]

Well the CS has no damage falloff when cleaving thru targets

That's why it's good into hordes

Unfortunately it has no specific answer to targets u can't cleave thru, elites

And is atrocious against carapace

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah chain axe “being a long while since I ran it” has the better armor potential

Poor wave clear but the standard has a good heavy sweep for that and the variant is weaker but light attack spammy with Vangaurd based heavy attacks making elite damage far superior

Also chain axe has the best dodge recovery too

[tall torrent]

It’s the only weapon without a dump stat rn, yea

[tall torrent]

It can be really good at one specific thing but doesn’t do much outside of that one thing

For example, chainswords are really good at killing groaner & poxwalker hordes, but aren’t very good at dealing with elites waves or boss damage

[earnest bone]

Chain axe isn't poor in wave clear tbh, HT+Slaughterer beats DSword (or knife) by a mile

[tall torrent]

Mk3 shovel is really good at popping crushers & maulers with folded heavy attack, but has poor horde clear, poor elite wave clear and low boss damage

That’s why they’re in the “one trick” rank

[earnest bone]

thats why i decided to go with mk1 from time to time

just a bit worse generalist than Rashad

but funny tho

[tall torrent]

Not exactly
The “bonus finesse damage” is not reduced throughout cleave

Normally finesse is a multiplier that stays the same between targets in cleave (as an example: first target let’s say 300 x1.7, second target 127 x1.7, third target 67 x1.7, etc)

Chainswords’ finesse distribution in cleave would look like: 300 x1.7, then 127+(300x0.7), then 67+(300x0.7), efc

[orchid hemlock]

[tall torrent]

The “bonus finesse damage” is not reduced throughout cleave

[umbral scaffold]

Well I just said it’s not bad but it just does mroe then what chainswrod does

For chain sword you need more crit uptime that’s what I do too with my devil claw

[tall torrent]

Chainsword is not particularly good at anti-armor

Need rev heavy twice to kill crusher or mauler

Vs bruisers it’s not that great either

[earnest bone]

Dont try to look for a perfect balance in Fatshark games, 6+ years of VT2 and a few years of VT1 from my experience.
But honestly speaking, DT is still the best game balance wise, a lot of viable weapons, meanwhile in VT2 i feel like a disabled person with available options at max difficulties, there's a lot of weapons i DON'T want to use.

Some weapons are forgotten too (Autopistol)

and it could take years before it's buffed or reworked

[umbral scaffold]

I mean same goes for the chain axe… have to rev it to deal anti armor damage “not counting its one variant that auto chains per light attack”

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t usually look for perfect balance

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe doesn’t have to rev attack to deal with armor, and it does significantly more damage to carapace

[umbral scaffold]

Please read what I just said

You have to rev it up for it to work NOT COUNTING THE ONE VARIENT THAT AUTO REVS WITH LIGHT ATTACKS

[tall torrent]

No u don’t, XII can use regular heavy attacks

[faint beacon]

I mean they both have the gimmick it’s just light or heavy gets swapped with the gripping onto enemies mechanic

[umbral scaffold]

^

[umbral scaffold]

Ok if you wanna add ontop then why not just say that instead of saying “UMM ACTUALLY YOUR WRONG “

[tall torrent]

I meant that neither chainaxe requires using special action -> heavy attack for armor damage

And that both Chainaxes deal significantly more armor damage than chainswords

[faint beacon]

Mk12 has the gripping on heavies Mk4 has the gripping on lights

Also yeah it’s just you either have to rev or use the corresponding marks gripping attack

Chainaxes aren’t terrible they’re just limited through being sluggish

[hearty panther]

yea the rev attacks are strangely pointless outside of mutants driving by

[faint beacon]

Damn thing Is fun to use but my god it’s fucking

S l o w

[buoyant thicket]

whats the dump stat on plasma gun?

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t have one

[buoyant thicket]

is this ass or good then

[tall torrent]

Usable

[buoyant thicket]

would it be better to dump ammo

[tall torrent]

Perfect distribution is 69 thermal, 71 charge rate, 80 everything else

[hard cave]

what

[tall torrent]

?

[hard cave]

why would that be the optimal stats

[faint beacon]

There was certain combos that allow for maximum M1 spam something like that

Idk he’s explaining

[broken spade]

you don't want to go below 69 thermal but everything else needs to be high
charge rate is the easiest to drop out of the rest

[tall torrent]

68+ decimal in thermal resist gives 8 continuous shots from 0% heat instead of 7, so I recommend 69 thermal resist for safety sake
Charge rate affects left click’s pre-fire delay therefore firerate, so it’s not a dump stat and u want as high as possible (which there’s only room for 71~72)
Plasma actually needs very high damage & stopping power stats to hit breakpoints
Ammo roll too low = you don’t get 1/3 shot worth of ammo back from each survivalist proc

[hard cave]

that seems fair

[tall torrent]

This is as perfect condition as possible
If u don’t care about perfect roll u can play with worse distributions

[hard cave]

idk, I have a 80,80,80,80, 60 with the dump stat being ammo

so never really accounted for any of that

[tall torrent]

If u roll a 2x70+3x80 it’s still fine, 1% difference is not a big deal

[real shoal]

There is some minor use in Thunderous and Bloodletter getting full stacks from an instant rev cancel. Off meta, but fun and rewarding to use! I do think it's pretty funny that a full rev+bleed is enough to 1-shot a crusher, too. Though who wants to let a crusher run around for like 10s to bleedout the rest of the way, right?

I do enjoy using that combo on a soulblaze Psyker. The rending enables both the bleed and the soulblaze. Gives me a fairly effective way to fight monsters. At least as well as your average vet with krak grenades and whatever weapon.

[radiant chasm]

especially when chaxe can oneshot crushers easily with thrust or investment/ramp up

[faint beacon]

WS with like max Slaught HT stacks does the same if you prefer having just raw damage

It’s fucking nuts

[radiant chasm]

thunderous bloodletter gives nothing for chaxes biggest weakness, which is lack of horde clear (it's in the bottom 75% of weapons for horde clearing)

meanwhile, ht and slaught helps with both single target and hordes

[real shoal]

Yep, though the loadouts I take it on, clear isn't the problem, but monsters/carapace

[radiant chasm]

i'd still take thrust over thunderous+bloodletter

[real shoal]

Honestly, thunderous is overkill on the loadouts I want to use it on. They get Onslaught, which kinda defeats the purpose of Thunderous. But if I was gonna do something like an infantry lasgun or autogun, maybe. Maybe laspistol, too. I don't think the builds I used the laspistol with managed to pick up Onslaught.

But it's complete feelsgood brain knowing that that quick tap applied all the stacks and made all the other stuff I do better while I'm not on the weapon.

[tall torrent]

what onslaught

veteran talent?

[real shoal]

Yeah

repeated hits cause rending

[real shoal]

No need to swap to melee for armor pen and bleed when just holding the button already shreds it.

reconlas and iag

[tall torrent]

Onslaught does not apply multiple times from chain weapons’ rev attacks

[real shoal]

Never said it did.

Just said that the builds I wanted to use the chainaxe on aren't benefitting from Thunderous as much because they want to take Onslaught. So it's overkill.

[tall torrent]

What weapons do u take with onslaught

[real shoal]

Already said that too

[tall torrent]

Oh ok

[real shoal]

Would probably be just as good with laspistol too, but I think I went super deep on WS and didn't have the extra points while investing into melee nodes -and- the lasgun ammo nodes.

[tall torrent]

Onslaught is not good for laspistol

Well, not good enough to be worth the points anyway

[real shoal]

No? It's pretty fast and I take infernus.

[tall torrent]

267rpm is not fast enough

[real shoal]

Okay, just going off feel. Didn't know if there was an actual rpm breakpoint and what hit it or didn't.

[tall torrent]

Recon XII is 1200rpm

Vraks V auto is 800rpm

[real shoal]

Yeah, reconlas feels like it is nearly instantly stacked.

[tall torrent]

The other half of the problem is infernus

Because it’s not very good

[real shoal]

Nope, but dots are feelsgood. Bleed knife and fire laspistol hits many buttons in my head.

[tall torrent]

Taking infernus means dropping any of these 3 very strong blessings
Dum dum
Ghost
Desperado

[real shoal]

And shredder grenade

[tall torrent]

Infernus is alr for psyker ig

[hearty panther]

i dont even recommend it for Psyker anymore

[real shoal]

What makes it alright for psyker that isn't great for vet?

[hearty panther]

the absolute madhat shenanigans you pull with just one or more deathspitter stacks and warpsplitter is not worth infernus

[real shoal]

laspistol, not reconlas.

[tall torrent]

Psyker has empathic evasion

So u don’t need ghost

[real shoal]

Ahhhhh, got it. That tracks. I was thinking offensively.

Like, psykers don't get any special enablers outside of maybe some scrier's crit chance, which is better on reconlas feeding it more peril. Didn't think about it defensively.

[hearty panther]

ye its a giant feedback loop

psyker in a nutshell really

[faint beacon]

Call me weird

But the only melee that can make this “work”

Is Knifes or Taxes

[tall torrent]

Nah, in their cases exploit weakness (as weird as this sounds) is better

[umbral scaffold]

Tax axes can work but you jsut can’t run brutal momentum on it

As much as you Think it can

It’s not best as your dps on elites will sufffer

I run decimator and head taker and my tac axes run FAR better then normal

Having a flurry weapon to deal with hordes and melee isn’t superficial as it’s ment to initiate crit bonuses

It’s like an anti armor crit weapon like the elven axe from VT2

[tall torrent]

Shred is kinda better than decimator

[umbral scaffold]

I prob got the name wrong

It’s the perk that gives Crit per hit

[tall torrent]

That’s shred

[hearty panther]

shred

[umbral scaffold]

Like up to 25% at 5 stacks

Yes he

Yeah so I just got the name wrong

[hearty panther]

i dont personally ever run shred on em

[faint beacon]

2 heavies and 4 lights can actually get away with BM

Mainly just cause the Weakspot bonus plus the assassin strikes swing at angles you can hit multiple enemies with and kill them

[umbral scaffold]

I agree but for me it always does well with horde clear by doing a push attack then heavy mix combo

[faint beacon]

HT + Shred/BM

Yeah forget the PA is also really good to use for using BM

[umbral scaffold]

Oh it’s amazing but you fully utilized BM you have to run the green version as that’s the only one with two or more heavy sweep attacks

If you’re wanting to fully charge the melee

[hearty panther]

mk7 does ok

i do run BM for Psyker with 25 DD stacks

otherwise nah

[faint beacon]

This is the typical combo for Veteran

I know Zealot can do HT + Shred/Critical or BM

[tall torrent]

Zealot can run a really cursed combo of BM + slaughter spree + sustained assault + desperation

[faint beacon]

Slaughter Spree

That’s what it was

[hearty panther]

cursed is the right word

[faint beacon]

Weakspot crits confirm 100% crits

[strange summit]

Could I get feedback on a build? I normally play Ogryn, but thought I'd try vet, and found I like melee vet for the mk1 shovel. I'm aware this is kind of rare, but it's my playstyle. I like to be a team player so I like the middle column a lot, and try to get the good melee feats from the right column.
Link: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d7a3e1f-23f1-470c-b014-cd84f2105834/vet-who-longs-to-be-big-ogryn?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[slow spade]

I recommend dropping competitive urge for the "+3.3% reload" upgrade on Weapon Specialist

it'll let you reload your revolver faster so you can avoid downtime

[strange summit]

Whenever you or an ally kills an enemy seems like it should proc often tho.
If reload is to be a problem, then why not tactical reload for 25% speed if I leave a bullet in the mag?

[tall torrent]

1 free point to spend on what u like
This is the standard Zarona revolver build for veteran

[tall torrent]

This talent loads the bullet for u without going through reload animation
Melee kill -> swap (reload 1 shot) -> swap back to melee, get a kill -> swap (reload 1 shot) -> repeat

[slow spade]

also competitive urge is unreliable compared to having another round for your revolver

[split bison]

You're focusing on quick-swapping to get your revolver back online.