veteran-class

[copper cedar]

cara?

or flak

[tall torrent]

Check guide

[copper cedar]

You have a guide now!

amazing.

[faint beacon]

After 7 years in development hopefully it’s been worth the wait

[pliant prawn]

ive always wanted a chainaxe. is this worth the price, as i don't have any chainaxe xp?

i noticed it has vanguard swings which is odd because i remember chainaxe horde clear being quite bad, but maybe it's a better weapon now? idk

[oblique sparrow]

Tanner is the angry Gremlin to E's ... something

[faint beacon]

It’s

Lack luster

But useable in horde

Its main purpose it’s fucking deleting single targets

[austere mica]

It’s also like wearing cement shoes

[faint beacon]

Low mobility

It hits really fucking hard especially with Headtaker + Slaughterer

[pliant prawn]

yeah i know but i never ran it because it was absolutely terrible at hordes

but if it's at least a bit better than it used to be, then that's cool

[faint beacon]

They did buff it around UnL

It’s useable

[pliant prawn]

hmm

[faint beacon]

You just have to get used to its downsides

[pliant prawn]

being slow doesn't sound fun either

[faint beacon]

Mk4 is arguably better

[pliant prawn]

that is the mk4

[broken gazelle]

me trying to get Killshot Ready: 😴

[faint beacon]

Yeah comparing it against the 12

[pliant prawn]

oh

[faint beacon]

Just use the 4

You get more out of 4 than 12

[real shoal]

You're looking at heavies to cleave the horde (with the push attack mixed in), but with like 3ish enemies, you can just spam the lights. It's completely not meta, but I adore mine with Thunderous and Bloodletter. Been using it even on a Purgatus Psyker to enable burn (and bleed) on armored targets and monstrosities.

Thunderous ends up being kinda wasted on autogun/reconlas vet because I think it shares stacks with Onslaught. I also really liked it on Zealot with Flamer—the non-magical purgatus psyker, lol.

[pliant prawn]

[real shoal]

Funny to note that with those blessings, a single rev plus the bleed afterwards kills a crusher on Damnation.

[pliant prawn]

[real shoal]

In practice, you don't want to just let the Crusher bleed out for like 10s, but knowing that it has a death sentence is helpful and you can use any gun you like to finish him because of the Brittle.

[fervent pulsar]

What's Executioner's Stance again?

[austere mica]

Mark all human sized elites, get ranged damage bonus, and refesh duration from killing marked targets

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent is there any other blessing combo for infantry laz besides deadly/headhunter?

what terrible thing can be cooked

infernus headhunter

a budget recon laz

[tall torrent]

Ghost + headhunter for IIb & VII

Ghost + opening salvo for IX

[narrow frost]

does the guide have opening salvo explained

I still have no idea

[tall torrent]

Yea

Salvo is explained in terminology -> general weapon behaviour

Opening salvo is in blessing

[fervent pulsar]

How do ya get "Resupply Allies" done faster?

[tame lodge]

Wave of dogs

[orchid hemlock]

Does anyone know what happened to Tanner's video?

[tame lodge]

💀

[frank basin]

nothing happen to tanner

[undone jungle]

that mark of chaxe can be quite good hordeclear although Zealot makes a lot better use of both of them. Still the Mk4s hordeclear is quite good since you can slap on Slaughterer and or Headtaker on it for massive damage and cleave values, which makes the chainswords just look pathetic in comparison, but of course nothing close to comparable to OP weapons like Rashad or pswords

[junior grail]

Question, does Tunnel Vision talent restore toughness continuously or only on gaining Marksman stacks?

[junior grail]

Isn't Tanner and MisterE bromancing currently?

[frank basin]

i do not know

[junior grail]

Afaik what people expected to be a bloodbath between Tanner and MisterE become a start of an unexpected friendship

[tall torrent]

Funny how both of them get things wrong

[tall torrent]

Chainaxes have a cleave damage distribution cap of 4

After 4th target, they don’t deal any damage to further targets in cleave

[junior grail]

I'm just remarking on their bromance hahaha

[frank basin]

that one work on cohecency

they like inspiring presence

[junior grail]

Not even with power boosts from Blessings such as Thrust/Headtaker, etc?

[junior grail]

Coherency? The subtalent for Marksman Focus, the headshot one?

[frank basin]

yes

you asking tunnel vision

didn't gain toughness on stack

[tall torrent]

No, 0 x(1+40%+25%) is still 0

After 4th target it only applies stagger

[junior grail]

Oh cause I'm using it with Exe Stance, looking for other ways to replenish toughness

[frank basin]

i using FT with exe stance

because deathshot

[junior grail]

Shame, guess Caxe is still a safer option

[tall torrent]

Tunnel vision is a multiplier to toughness gains (excluding certain blessings, not sure why)

[tall torrent]

Veteran melee’s variety is a bit

[junior grail]

Oh so it doesn't give toughness on its own then

[tall torrent]

No

[junior grail]

Man, I don't wanna only keep shouting as vet hahaha

[frank basin]

Toxic player: you will keep voc as meta, whenever you like it or not, and you gonna like them.

[tall torrent]

Exe is strong

[gilded rock]

I like infiltrate

That's what I run when I don't wanna have the brain-off ability

[junior grail]

Me too, wish it was a bit stronger but its super useful

[frank basin]

Plasma power sword infiltrate

[gilded rock]

At least it refills toughness unlike shroudfield on zealot

Feels weird that shroudfield doesn't give any toughness back except on the final upgrade node

[junior grail]

Shroudfield mainly for big pp boss damage numbers

Also a callback to Kerillian Shade

[gilded rock]

Yeahh

Feels like infiltrate has much more utility

If they wanna keep buffing player power then they should combine some of Infiltrate's upgrade nodes

5 or something nodes for upgrades

Vs. all of the goodies in the entire bottom part of the tree

[hearty panther]

i mean thats not by accident

zealots is very much meant for damage and veteran is very much meant for utility

you have to opt into the opposite for each class

[junior grail]

Imo Vet stealth should have been like Ranger Bardins Smoke Grenade

Oops! Smoke grenades mentioned

[frank basin]

C-19-ALPHA

https://tenor.com/view/moving-fog-smoke-gif-14115013690580822617

[junior grail]

I heard there's a mod that highlights enemies in tox gas, wonder if it works for smoke nades

But it's server side only oh well

[frank basin]

client side would be useful

server side probably for solo-game mod

[junior grail]

Oh I meant client sorry

[spark helm]

For what it's worth, it's deeply similar.

since dt is a lot of fragmented and reinterpreted stuff ported from vt2.

[junior grail]

Still waiting for Chaos Wastes for Darktide

Ashen Wastes

• Traversing outer borders
• Deserts, Canyons, Caves, Waste Dumps, Intercity Trains, Rare Oasis

Spire Wastes

• Traversing isolated Hive Spire
• Hive Lord mansions, Orbital Platforms, Space Elevator, Naval Dockyard, Collapsed Tower

Hive Wastes

• Traversing the Deep Hive
• Sewer Network, Geothermal Heatsink, Scrapyard, Underhive Slums

[midnight totem]

got it, two more years

[spark helm]

Yeah, we'll see.

[midnight totem]

I do love the map ideas

[fathom kiln]

Anyone got a build recommendation for power maul + kantrael?

[junior grail]

I wanna say aintnoway but I know its way

Thanks for liking my hopeful dreams for Darktide haha

[junior grail]

Kantrael... Lasgun? Shotgun?

[fathom kiln]

sorry the combat shotty yeah

looking to have some fun with a build im working on, soliciting advice on structure here

[orchid hemlock]

which Kantrel?

[thin flame]

whats the dump stat on the helbore

[tall torrent]

Stability

[thin flame]

gotcha

and uh, which is considered 'best' right now? I forget since they changed the names of the weapons

i'm bored of zealot and wanna try my old kriegsman build again

[atomic zephyr]

the blue one is rapid fire

yellow is basically a cannon

green is in between

really dealers choice between the three

at least you can swap marks for easy and for free

[thin flame]

which one has the bad bayonet again?

i think the 2nd?

eh ill test it

[tall torrent]

IV

[thin flame]

got it sah, thank ya sah

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent btw what are your preference for knife perks?

zealot chat wont tell me theirs' 😔

[tall torrent]

on vet, carapace + 2 stamina

[orchid hemlock]

what about zealot?

[tall torrent]

I don’t play knife zealot

[thin flame]

uhhh, let me look at my knife

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[thin flame]

but usually if i run knife on zealot im running left tree for crit

[orchid hemlock]

no im tlaking about perks

for the longest time i ran cara/maniac

[tall torrent]

Prob smth like carapace/maniac/flak

[orchid hemlock]

but im wondering if that isn't a problem anymore

[real shoal]

I'm lazy and just run bleed on crit with uncanny strike. Cara and +5 crit, I think. Failing that, it's cara and maniac/flak

[orchid hemlock]

maybe take unyield over maniac

[tall torrent]

Maniac gives u throwing knife breakpoints mainly

[narrow frost]

Flak unyielding

[thin flame]

i got crit chance and unyielding on mine, but maniac would probs be better. I just like unyielding for backstabs on bosses

[real shoal]

It somewhat depends on what the gun I'm using doesn't cover.

[thin flame]

really the bulk of knife is just crit spam on zealot for quick ability recharge

[real shoal]

Like Bolter covers everything pretty heavily, but you'll likely be unloading into carapace and unyielding with it, so those are a bit less important on your knife.

[orchid hemlock]

eh ill keep it at maniac then, i like to oneshot ragers with my thorwing knives

[narrow frost]

You still can without maniac

[tall torrent]

That needs crit or uncanny I think

[narrow frost]

Ooh wait

True

[tall torrent]

Anoint in blood only works with ranged weapon in hand

[narrow frost]

I always use uncanny

[orchid hemlock]

also being able to oneshot mutants when they come in is useful

[tall torrent]

I think mutant 1 shot is independent from maniac perk

[narrow frost]

Yes it is

[tall torrent]

U 1 shot if Crit weakspot

[narrow frost]

True

[thorn lark]

It started with a fight and ended in bed.

[junior grail]

Perhaps a build with Weapon Specialist Keystone would work, issue is the combat shotguns are overshadowed currently

[green willow]

idk i dont watch either

[hollow ibex]

they're both bottoms

[green willow]

they just had a sleepover

[formal pebble]

.. omniman?

[green willow]

does autogun do the most deeps

infantry

[austere mica]

You can push it higher on other weapons but in general, yes

Mk5

Is what you want for IAG

[green willow]

how do i see a weapon's crit damage stat

[austere mica]

That’s the fun part

You have to do math based off the inspect menu

[green willow]

my beloved columnus mk3 vigilant

you guys should try it sometime

[junior grail]

They're just roommates

[green willow]

do i swap out these perks for carapace/flak damage

[austere mica]

Flak maniac

Basically every gun has terrible Cara adm’s

[green willow]

ok, 10% rending or 30% weakspot damage

[austere mica]

Depends on your melee

[green willow]

i got a knife

[austere mica]

Weakspot

[green willow]

true

[narrow frost]

I don't think there is any vet build that doesn't take 30% weakspot

It's too good of a talent

[austere mica]

There is, it’s just a shitty build

[narrow frost]

*any well performing vet build

[faint beacon]

*any vet build that understands veteran 101

[thorn lark]

several on gameslantern

[green willow]

how good is that 10% rending though

[fossil basalt]

Some swear by it paired with some other nodes

I think it's contending for a node that others say is super not worth it so...

... it's decent?

[elder fiber]

Test BPs with it, you probably don't need it

[placid shoal]

I mean just math, 30% is crazy for any class

[placid portal]

30% more weakpoint varies heavily on weapon dou

But 30% is pretty big compared to perk 10% bonus which is not worth buying into

Pretty sure boltgun with 500 gets 800 from weakpoint then 890 on 30% weakpoint passive added

[split grove]

how many millions of gold do i need to roll a plasma

[placid portal]

Just 100k

[tall torrent]

a perfect one? could be several million

[grand perch]

for me it was like 1,5 mil?

[fathom kiln]

Not worried about meta man just want a shotgun build

[fluid escarp]

Isnt plasma just 60 stopping power dump

[stoic thorn]

Dump on charge

[fluid escarp]

Wait why charge

[stoic thorn]

It's for the secondary charged fire

Which is not optimal

[fluid escarp]

Charge dump lowers dps while stopping power just impacts stagger

Also charge impacts lmb too

[split grove]

i thought u needed 69 thermal

[tall torrent]

no

[tall torrent]

also no

[tall torrent]

this is wrong

[tall torrent]

this is also wrong

charge rate affects left click's pre-fire delay
stopping power affects armor-related dmg (which matters because this is a breakpoint gun)

[floral basalt]

Anything i should change on my bolter?

[spice ferry]

So what’s the ideal stats for plasma? I Thought it was 69% thermal and 71 charge.

[tidal mantle]

@tall torrent heya
I did a couple of missions last night with the reworked build following your guidelines (and the ones listed in the doc), and I must say, I immediately felt a difference
But I got a question
Do you have the build templates anywhere, or no?
Wanna look into Bolter, and what I should run as my melee

[lusty sapphire]

Huh?

[austere mica]

Those are some interesting choices

[dry cloak]

Well good drop all things considered

[brave pond]

Wait Reds are a thing?

Since when?

[floral basalt]

Mod

[brave pond]

Oh.

[floral basalt]

Its a mod*

[brave pond]

Man had me doubting my whole set up not being as close to powerful as it is

[sullen jackal]

69 is nice and hot that's how i remember it

[broken gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-recreation-tv-show-ron-swanson-nick-offerman-throwing-away-computer-gif-17541708

Me @ executioners stance when finally finished the penances

[regal belfry]

then you shout dogs away?

[broken gazelle]

I prefer to just push than waste my [F]

[regal belfry]

evil is when you dodge a dog and the one behind you gets hit instead

but i agree pushing is enough most of the time

[broken gazelle]

I'm not good at the game but I have played 500 hours so I picked up a few tricks

[regal belfry]

i am around 477h

[grand perch]

humiliating dogs by standing next to a ledge and having them jump to their doom is perfection

[placid portal]

or even spawn camping them at their door by tossing a frag or brauto spam

[brave pond]

Average Sigma-Minoris-33 moment

[broken gazelle]

Traxis-something Bursty One

[regal belfry]

gamma-315

[dry cloak]

BURSTEEEERRR

[broken gazelle]

I prefer my veteran who just makes the names up 😎

[dry cloak]

Fair

[regal belfry]

i play the cutthroat as vet

[broken gazelle]

Not sure what the name of the voice I picked
She's the most funny one

[tame lodge]

You probably mean Loose Cannon

Put the karking boot in

[tough tiger]

Male loose cannon does a better job tbh

[tame lodge]

Subjective

[grand perch]

Them's all amateurs anyway -signed F cutthroat

[broken gazelle]

O yeah that's the one.
Straight from Space-Ireland

[dire olive]

You mean northern england

Space northern england

[broken gazelle]

Well loose cannon is Irish (not sure what part of Ireland)

The other two are northern and southern England

[placid portal]

Loose cannon do be jack sparrow

[broken gazelle]

Maybe Manchester and London
Not sure exactly

(I'm talking female specifically)

[tough flower]

Don't worry, I understood your joke

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-whale-the-whale-fraiser-camera-gif-3764417687302677901

Gm future corpse starches

[balmy flume]

Imagine playing professional Vet so much

You actually remember all the call signs.

[umbral scaffold]

Readying kill shot

Kill shot drills engage

ELIMINATING TARGET

SIGHTING IN ENGAGE

RIGHT FORMATION RIGHT FRAKING NOW

[balmy flume]

I have sadly gone the Shouty Vet route nowadays.
FOR THE GOLDEN FRAGGING THRONE

[umbral scaffold]

FIGHT FOR YOUR ANCESTORS

[queen fox]

Good morning, pre-servitors

[umbral scaffold]

FOR THE EMPEROR

[broken gazelle]

Put the karkin booty

[queen fox]

Those not yet lobotomized

[somber adder]

IF YOU CAN BREATHE, YOU CAN KILL

[umbral scaffold]

DISENGAGED… I’ll be back

[balmy flume]

Might be Cadia specific…haven’t heard this at all.

[umbral scaffold]

Nope it’s the professional

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-hak-jabb-gif-892289627481122892

[balmy flume]

Huh. I need to spam my shouts till I hear it then

[spark helm]

Rare that I see male loose cannons.

Cutthroat is sadly, extremely popular. Unsure about whether or not the John Darktide Veteran set up is still a thing or not.

[broken gazelle]

I don't play male veteran but male professional is really fun

Maybe I'm biased because I watched a lot of the voice actor streaming on twitch haha

[tough flower]

Veteran is honestly spoiled for choice

They're all great

[umbral scaffold]

I mained male professional still to this day

But might change to cut throat or the other one

[broken gazelle]

I only really like loose cannon for femvet

[queen fox]

Voice actors streaming games they're in is always fun

Gianna matragano playing ultrakill was hilarious, he even got a vtuber model of his character

[broken gazelle]

Did you see Alex Jordan playing Darktide in character?
Confused so many randoms he played with.

[umbral scaffold]

Alex Jordan voiced a lot for cyberpunk too he is amazing

[broken gazelle]

He is a funny lad

[idle swallow]

My current load out to stave off repetition boredom is exe stance+lots of dmg talents and shock trooper on the slowest firing helbore, have I gone full cringe

[broken gazelle]

I was so glad to get the Exe Stance penances so I could never use it ever again haha

...now I just need to get the Marksman focus penance.

[idle swallow]

get a fast firing autogun/laspistol/lawbringer shotty and get to grinding on horde head shooting

also melees count for the penance when at enough stacks but you can't move while standing

exe stance slow helbore is amusing at least for the hehe funny crusher one-shot

[broken gazelle]

Yea it's not particularly difficult
Just takes a while if you keep losing your stacks

[tough flower]

Also working on Marksman's Focus

Crabwalk pilled for sure

[somber adder]

Currently doing MF penance too but why do you even bother with crab walking?

It nets you like 2 kills per horde and makes the game feel awful

[tough flower]

2 kills per horde?

My brother I got like 250 kills for it on Metalfab last night

See horde

Crouch

Powersword

Profit

[somber adder]

2 Extra kills I mean

[tough flower]

Because if you crabwalk you don't lose stacks by moving

[somber adder]

Like you stack it so fast if you hit headshots it really does not seem worth it to me to cripple yourself just to maintain stacks

[tough flower]

And if you're meleeing if doesn't matter

[broken gazelle]

I've got the higher stacks node so I can't take the crab walk node

[tough flower]

It's more because it's 2,500 kills

And just crouching and chopping hordes in half is much faster than trying to do it the intended way or whatever

[broken gazelle]

Maybe the crab walk node would be better for this penance

[somber adder]

What I'm saying is you stack it to/over 10 by killing the first 2 enemies and then the kills start counting towards the penance. If you get like 50 kills per horde you save like 2 hordes over all by crab walking which really doesn't seem worth the pain you cause yourself and others. imo

[broken gazelle]

Doesn't it take more like 4 kills to get to 10

[grand perch]

last i checked you still dont lose stacks when crouch walking, even with the 15 MF stack talent

so you can take whichever you prefer

[tough flower]

I hear you. What you're saying makes sense.

I'm still gonna crabwalk because it's simpler for me, but it's all good.

[somber adder]

You're right. For some reason I thought hitting weakspots gave you stacks too. Then it's 4 hordes you save by crabbing. I'd still personally rather not do that

Fair enough

[tough flower]

I think hitting weakspots lets you move without losing stacks

[broken gazelle]

3 stacks per kill as far as I remember

[somber adder]

Yea 3 stacks per weakspot kill, 3 seconds for hitting weakspots, 6 seconds for weakspot kills

[tough flower]

Makes sense

[broken gazelle]

Is there any quicker way of getting Armourbane aside from just Krakking any crusher or Mauler you see?

[tough flower]

Every armored enemy counts, not just carapace

[broken gazelle]

True but it feels like a waste of a grenade using it on anything less than that

[tough flower]

I agree, but I was just pointing out that if you manage to see a group of scab gunners or something tightly packed you can nuke those too

[somber adder]

Keep using them, always have one regenerating so you never miss out on the free grenade cooldowns. Other than that it's just playing

[broken gazelle]

Oh yea it's not a hard one, just a long one

[tough flower]

77 games as Veteran rn with like 150 to go on armorbane

[fast sundial]

i would say run triple kraks + both grenade regen talents

play aurics

fire everything

[broken gazelle]

That's what a smart person would do

Am not smrt

[fast sundial]

what about smort

are you smort

[clever hedge]

Dis good plan

[broken gazelle]

I am smort but only on Thursdays

[fast sundial]

that's good, we can work with that

[broken gazelle]

I've been playing a lot of Heresy mode lately (finally). It's not good for my stress levels

Its a bit like Babysitting

[regal belfry]

when i leveled my weapons i should go into damnation

[broken gazelle]

I feel like Damnation might end me

[regal belfry]

test first auric heresy

maybe high intensity shocktroops

[somber adder]

Auric heresy is more difficult than damnation

Unless you get modifiers like pox gas

[slow spade]

Heresy is a bit funny that it's harder than damnation due to dogshit teammates

[regal belfry]

... pox gas is one of the worst

[slow spade]

pox gas is a free win?

[somber adder]

It's annoying for sure but you get 50 med stims shoved up your ass. It's super free

[broken gazelle]

I hear that a lot
But maybe I'm the bad teammate

[slow spade]

just heal whenever you get hit

[regal belfry]

the problem the gas induces brainrot by teammates

[broken gazelle]

I've been cherry picking Heresy matches with no modifiers to get used to it

[somber adder]

Can't get better if you're not challenging yourself

If you don't go down for like three missions in a row on one difficulty you can go to the next imo

[regal belfry]

i am lazy thats why i am still auric heresy

[broken gazelle]

I spent like 2 years playing Malice
I'm a slow learner ok 👀

[somber adder]

Hey as long as you're having fun let nobody tell you how to play

[slow spade]

taps the sgn

Auric Maelstrom lvl 1 lets go UwU

[broken gazelle]

It was fun, but deep down I know I need to move on up

[tall torrent]

No templates yet

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tawny timber]

i did this w vermintide 2

[broken gazelle]

Same.

I get comfy too easily

[tawny timber]

i only just started playing damnation and im struggling to adjust tbh

but like I keep having to clutch games

[broken gazelle]

I moved up to malice really quickly
Then just stalled heheh

[tawny timber]

thats valid tho

it is just a game

thats why we play pve

you do not have to be a sweat

[slow spade]

its mostly that dogshit players typically don't actually improve + there's more rewards on higher difficulty

so you get a lot of "crutch" moments where teammates are leeching off better players

[broken gazelle]

True. Though I'm pretty proud of my performance in Heresy so far
Aside from that embarrassing trapper incident ...

[tawny timber]

yeah i see it way more on damnation than I did on heresy

[slow spade]

Damnation has roughly 2x the mats than heresy

such is life

[tawny timber]

had one team that got wiped like 3 or 4 times and I had to rez them as stealth vet before i got sniped rezzing them

[broken gazelle]

Had my back to a wall so didn't expect to get netted from behind.
And it was at a drop down, so it was a slow embarrassing death

[tawny timber]

shit just happens tho

its darktide

everyone gets netted eventually

[slow spade]

I just alt+f4 when that happens

not going to sit there waiting

[broken gazelle]

Ahh I don't want them to think I'm salty

[tawny timber]

get netted > log off > get on vt2 > forget you dont have toughness > die > log off > get on darktide

[slow spade]

when I saw I only lose like 2 corruption hp per tick

I was NOT sitting there lol

[broken gazelle]

The group wiped on the way to rescue me though

[slow spade]

rip

[broken gazelle]

You win some & you lose some

[hasty pasture]

What melee weapon for Vet other than dueling sword

[broken gazelle]

Shovel and Knife are my favourites

[hasty pasture]

Are any of the other swords viable?

I have a power sword currently but I wasn't impressed

[slow spade]

I use Power Sword

[broken gazelle]

Yea I mastered them all since the L&L update and hated power sword

[slow spade]

get power cycler

makes power sword usable

[broken gazelle]

Yea power cycler made it a bit better

[hasty pasture]

Is the other sword viable?

[slow spade]

energized light attacks stagger ragers too

very comfy

[broken gazelle]

I'm really liking knoife right now
Fun to 1tap mutants as they charge at you

Struggle with Ragers a little though

Haha. That sounds rude.

I do try to be a team player 😎

[slow spade]

ask them politely to stop

[broken gazelle]

1 or 2 Ragers is ok
But when 7 spawn on your butt, it's "guess I'll die" time.

[slow spade]

if only the Vet class had a gun 😔

[broken gazelle]

Gun can't save you from 14 pizza cutters surrounding you

[slow spade]

get a gun with 7 rounds

[broken gazelle]

[sullen jackal]

recon lasgun can

[broken gazelle]

I should probably look into how to build a Recon.

I think mine has headhunter and dumbdumb on it
But at work so can't check

[sullen jackal]

yeah dum dum is. uh. dum.

because close range is... inside 30 meters.

[broken gazelle]

I think at the time people were recommending it.

[sullen jackal]

yeah. 30 meters is like... basically the diameter of the training room.

it's huge

most rooms in the game are smaller than 30 meters wide.

[broken gazelle]

So it's good then?

[sullen jackal]

as close range is literally what is actually ever relevant yes

(tbf it does drop off from 100% to 0% starting from 12.5m away but)

...although I think that's also scaled with a weapon's effective range.

[broken gazelle]

And the one with the <torrent> property seems to be the popular option

[hollow ibex]

just a must-take

[broken gazelle]

Noted

[sick marsh]

I hope for them to MAKE INFANTRY LASGUN GREAT AGAIN

[broken gazelle]

I mained infantry Lasgun for a long time, since I prefer single-shot over brrrrrr

[sick marsh]

I wanna cosplay as John guardsman, I just want a normal lasgun

[hollow ibex]

and then there's the mk2 which is brrrrt, parkinsons version

[broken gazelle]

Oh yea. I likes the one that just goes Thoom though.

I hope we get a good single shot gun that isn't Helbore someday 🙏

I guess there's revolver, but I mean like a rifley type one

[hollow ibex]

there are headhunter guns

if you want DMR-like guns

[hollow ibex]

actually they are DMRs

[broken gazelle]

Is that the braced autogun?

Or the vigilant

[hollow ibex]

they're called vigilants now yeah

stupid rename

[broken gazelle]

Yea took me a bit to figure them out

[arctic rampart]

fast melee weapon dodge like knife or dueling sword will beat that. or run away and plasma / zerona / IAG them to death. even with the buffs recon feels at least 1 tier lower.

usually "spawn on your butt" actually means the fucking zealot aggro dumped on you again. just gotta be more aware/safe with these pervert priests running around

[broken gazelle]

Whats the Zerona? IAG is infantry autogun I guess

[arctic rampart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/quickdraw-stub-revolver/zarona-mk-iia-quickdraw-stub-revolver check the guide in sticky for blessings, talents, etc.

[broken gazelle]

Ah yea I like him

[arctic rampart]

basically ^ that thing is powerful because it cleaves and does assloads of damage. I don't really use it because plasma seems better to me but lots of not-me players love it. Space cowboy feels

[broken gazelle]

Probably should use that over the Recon

I know Plasma is the meta right now but I never liked it
I should try it again someday

[arctic rampart]

did you use it with charge? try it hipfiring only. when you get to 100% charge hit the de-charge button once and fire 2 more shots. you can hipfire snipers at long range with practice consistently.

[stoic thorn]

I love my cadians

[arctic rampart]

charging is for the most part noob trap on plasma. there are minor situations where it's helpful but you are better off hipfiring 100% of the time IMO. this also helps you take less hits and not explode

some people want faster weaposn though.. nothing wrong with IAG or zarona they are both strong. its a prefrence. you can use any ranged weapon on auric maelstrom and win.

[broken gazelle]

Will definitely give it another chance some time

[arctic rampart]

Up to +5-20% Strength scaling with Heat Level.``` its cool they added new blessings like this one in itemization patch.    Nice to have a new one to go with ```Gets Hot!

Critical hit chance scales by your current heat level up to 27.5-50%. Also increases critical ranged attacks damage by 4-10%.```

I was thinking of giving axes another try over dueling sword finally. I have heard they gave axes a bit of a rework. First thought was for rasheed, but is there a tactical axe worth considering now? I would like something faster safer horde clear as the requirement. Bonus "can handle other things" would be appreciated extras but not needed.

Dueling sword is perfectly fine for horde clear btw, I just want to try something newish.

[broken gazelle]

I am a shovel and Knife enjoyer 🗡️

But I haven't used shovel since moving up to Heresy so maybe it doesn't hold up?

[arctic rampart]

Shovel has a lot of people that swear by it in damnation+, so I think it does

It has bonk over rashad but AFAIKT its same movement speed as rashad but worse damage

[hollow ibex]

it's aight for a low melee investment build

i prefer dclaw if i'm running a build like that though

[orchid hemlock]

it always comes back to Rashad

[broken spade]

my preference for low investment melee is psword or heavy sword

[hollow ibex]

i really dislike how heavy sword feels

psword without WS feels terrible as well

and i'm only ever running WS on melee builds

[arctic rampart]

When you get 2 weapons you really like you should start doing damnation runs, just be sure to avoid hi-intensity initially. When you get comfortable in damnation try a hi-int damnation. If you can do hi-int damnation you're ready for hi-int shock trooper damnation. If you can do that start random queue'n aurics 😉

[broken spade]

idk you get use to it

i didn't really like heavy sword much at first either

but then you line up a multi rager one shot

[hollow ibex]

i was trying hsword, and it feels so wimpy compared to dclaw lol

i know it's objectively stronger than dclaw

but the feeling of the weapon is not good

[arctic rampart]

I swore by psword and thought I'd never try a different weapon. Then they Fd it on unlocked & loaded so I had to switch to DS mk4. I dunno if I can go back to psword slow movement now.

[broken spade]

i feel like the sound effects and lack of stagger on some of the hsword moves makes it just feel worse

like i'm hitting them with paper or something

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's mainly the effects

[broken spade]

but h1 feels very nice

[arctic rampart]

Defences

Affects Stamina efficiency, as well as the length and speed of dashes.

    Sprint Cost: [1.25 - 0.75]
    Push Cost: [3 - 1]
    Dodge Distance: [0.95 - 1.05]
    Dodge Limit: [3 - 5]

``` what's the heavy sword sprint speed?

[hollow ibex]

i know the damage output is way higher than dclaw lol

[arctic rampart]

The other defensive metrics of heavy sword are basically rashad/shovel class. Not sure why I'd use it on veteran over rashad/ds/ps

[orchid hemlock]

someone make a lofi playlist

[broken spade]

specifically for low melee investment builds that don't need cara

I pretty much only use hsword for bolter build

[hollow ibex]

not a bad option as a secondary

[arctic rampart]

heavy sword horde clear is dueling sword level or worse?

[hollow ibex]

way better

i mean it has brumentum lol

just under a different name

[broken spade]

all the attacks are sweeps except for 1 move
That 1 move one shots 4 ragers at once

[arctic rampart]

🤔 light spam with vanguards for the horde clear?

[idle swallow]

Heavy sword is very good at horde clear and rager takedowns but god awful against carapace

[hollow ibex]

alternating lights and heavies

[arctic rampart]

Hitting multiple enemies in one sweep gives 4-10% Rending for 2.5 seconds. Stacks 5 times.``` and ```Headtaker

HeadTaker 
+6.5-8% Strength for 3.5s on Hit. Stacks 5 times.``` you take these?

[broken spade]

deathblow and headtaker

Deathblow is literally just brutal momentum

[arctic rampart]

+7.5-15% Weak Spot Damage. Weakspot Kills also ignore Enemy Hit Mass.****``` ah ok ty

[broken spade]

i do not know why it has a different name

[fossil basalt]

heavy sword trades dealing with armor for nothing but horde clear

[arctic rampart]

yeah 4-10% rending is so much worse than uncanny lul. like an order of magnitude. guess I need coffee

its like the same movement as rashad but I'd be surprised if it horde clears as well. but it looks like it would be like shovel range of horde clear?

[earnest bone]

armor and unyelding*

unyelding damage is crap too

[fossil basalt]

I honestly forgot about unyielding because Recon Lasgun

[earnest bone]

i solo'ed Chaos Spawn back in the days with HSword and it was the most boring thing ever

[arctic rampart]

I usually run plasma for armor though. I run unyielding on my plasma with the amount of monstrosities lately

[broken spade]

hsword bolter is the only build my hsword ever sees

[arctic rampart]

oh wait, heavy sword is missing finesse?

[frank basin]

heavy sword don't have finesse

[broken gazelle]

I have Riposte/Uncanny on my knoife but I hear some people say Precog is better

[orchid hemlock]

precog is better if u can proc it consistently with max stacks of reciprocity

it works very well with piety zealot because they shit out crit 1 hour after breakfast

they can also force a crit at any time by using fury or stealth

[broken gazelle]

Yea. Lucky Zealots heheh

[marsh condor]

I wanna check something rq

Out For Blood only affects melee kills, right?

[frank basin]

yeah

it boast it

[broken spade]

pretty sure it affects all your kills

[gilded wraith]

Nope, ranged as well.

There's a vet guide on steam with some great info on each talent.

Really underrated talent.

[slow spade]

it also makes your grenades regen you too

shredders for that emergency heal UwU

[fathom kiln]

Anyone recommend a good build to go with Accatran MK IX combat shotgun and Agni Mk Ia shock maul?

Also soliciting advice for a build I am working on with the Mk III scandar power sword and the Mk XII Accatran recon lasgun

[torn gorge]

you prob wanna lean into kraks otherwise gl killing any boss with those 2 weapons

saul/shotgun

[orchid hemlock]

Does it have to be those weapons?

[fathom kiln]

YES

[slow spade]

Me whenever someone asks for recommendations

[tall torrent]

I moved competitive urge 1 tier higher in talent rating

[broken spade]

what convinced you?

[slow spade]

Competitive Urge meta begins

[torn gorge]

how did you rank it before

[slow spade]

Money

[tall torrent]

Between 3 RNG talents: twinned blast, 5% crit chance and competitive urge
You get:
randomly drop 2 grenades
randomly deal more damage (crit hit)
randomly deal more damage

[broken spade]

gambling addict

[tall torrent]

The thing is

Outside of a few very high finesse orientated weapons

Competitive urge being +20% damage

[orchid hemlock]

path for mk 1 shovel what perks do u think will be b est now?

[tall torrent]

Kind of outscales the extra damage from crits?

[tall torrent]

Carapace/flak/maniac prob

[broken spade]

i don't think it's dogshit or anything but it would probably be like a last pick if we hypothetically had like 35 points

there's always something i'd rather have

[tall torrent]

I mean

Would u want 5% crit chance or competitive urge if u already have reciprocity + desperado

[tall torrent]

That’s the real question

[tall torrent]

Between those 3 (which are usually last point grab)

[broken spade]

idk i guess it is better than 5% most of the time

[tall torrent]

Cuz I was playing with tintin last night and he used power DI

[broken spade]

but yeah i also kinda don't grab 5% crit unless it's a high finesse weapon anyways

[tall torrent]

I got avg around 30% crit chance with melee

[broken spade]

so this isn't a comparison that even comes up

[tall torrent]

With 5% crit + desperado + reciprocity

[torn gorge]

what was the uptime on CU though

PDI should be able to track it

[tall torrent]

Which is only 10% higher than the base (20%)

[tall torrent]

I don’t use powerDI so idk

But on avg it’s like 300 seconds across a normal mission?

Depends on spawn rate

[torn gorge]

so 5/25 mins?

idk whats the speed at which you close missions

[tall torrent]

300s out of 30 minutes

Active around 1/6 the time

[torn gorge]

so CU is effectively a 3% damage increase overall

[tall torrent]

Assuming 30 minutes, 2k total kills, you get 500 kills

Teammates’ 1500 kills x0.025 = 37.5 procs = up to 300s uptime

[torn gorge]

300s is the optimistic value

assuming everyone doing the same

[broken spade]

that's also assuming a lot of those procs aren't just overlapping anyways

[torn gorge]

hence why the optimistic value

[tall torrent]

If it refreshes while active, it’s not a bad thing even though it’s not “optimal”

And I’d much rather take comp urge than skirmisher lolol

[broken spade]

I tried skirmisher once and I dont think i ever activated it in combat

never again

[tall torrent]

Because skirmisher stacks once for every full 1s sprinting

I think they need to change it to moving instead of sprinting

[broken spade]

might be funny for stripped down memes

[tall torrent]

Because u don’t stack from sliding

Or walking

[broken spade]

i think it needs to be more granular and stack smaller stacks faster

like make it more stacks but stack every 0.5s

[fathom kiln]

shotgun and power maul recommended builds?

[tall torrent]

I’d rather it be 3 stacks total and stacked from “moving”

[broken spade]

see you want it to be absolutely free to stack and not be interesting at all
This would just be up all of the time

if it requires a little bit of deliberate sprinting, that makes the node a bit more interactive to play around

but a full second is too much time

[elder fiber]

I want it to not suck shit or be removed completely b/c that tree is already bottom heavy

[tall torrent]

It could stack faster in sprint

[broken spade]

0.5s or maybe 0.3s would be a lot easier but still require some deliberate attention

[tall torrent]

U could go with like
5 stacks total, each stack 3% (total 15%)
Stacks once per 1s moving (sprinting gains 1 stack/0.5s)

But it needs to actually stack up

Cuz rn it’s just not working right

[broken spade]

1 second of just straight up sprinting just doesn't happen in combat

at some point people usually slide during that

[tall torrent]

I’m not saying it needs to stack from dodges like zealot’s IJ

But it needs to be able to actually stack in combat lol

[broken spade]

it's a shame that talent just exists as a newbie trap

25% damage just for running sounds huge until someone looks at their buff bar during a fight and realizes it's never up

[queen fox]

maybe melee headshots should prevent focus loss for a few seconds?

[split bison]

What mod gives these details?

[tall torrent]

I think they want to design a talent based around movement, but the current conditions are not good

[gray finch]

scoreboard + loadout monitor

[split bison]

Also, now that I'm really pushing Auric/Maelstrom, how does the Penance for the titles work? Is it beating 5 Auric Maelstrom Missions in a row, or is it not dying and completeing 5 Auric Maelstrom Missions in a row, ditto to 10 for the 'lesser' title?

[tall torrent]

Exemplar: win 10 auric missions (any difficulty) from start to finish without dying

Storm survivor: win 5 auric maelstrom (always damnation) missions from start to finish without dying

[split bison]

Without Dying. Well heck, broke my chain three missions in and didn't even know it.

Cheers, thanks Guider.

[hollow ibex]

Watch the barrels and don’t join in progress games because those will absolutely fuck your streak

[tall torrent]

competitive urge's on screen effect (when active)

focus target's on screen effect (max stacks banked)

surely people will be able to tell in a pinch if comp urge is up

[orchid hemlock]

What is competative urge? 🤔

[tall torrent]

2.5% chance to get +20% T.damage, +20% M.stagger and +20% T.suppression whenever any enemy dies (not to u) anywhere on the map

[orchid hemlock]

In Aurics isn't that 100%?🤔

[tall torrent]

It’s on avg 1 activation every 40 kills by others

Which, for a 2000 kills game, is around 300s of uptime at best

[orchid hemlock]

[frank basin]

a psyker with purg staff give you high chances proccing

horde is a prime

[tall torrent]

Meh

[narrow frost]

It's from kills

Not hits

So any weapons would be good to proc it

(any weapon that kills)

[tall torrent]

I wish skirmisher was better

[frank basin]

you like shirmisher at first?

[narrow frost]

Imagine if it worked like momentum

Including sliding and dodging

[primal zealot]

I liked it until I realized it was hardly ever doing anything

[tall torrent]

It just needs to include moving

[frank basin]

sprinting does give disavantages

[tall torrent]

Having to sprint a full second to stack/refresh is not happening often during combat

[narrow frost]

True

[tall torrent]

U can’t stack from sliding

If u sprint 0.9s, slide, you need to sprint another full 1s to stack

Which is just

[frank basin]

there's delay right?

[tall torrent]

Wdym delay

[frank basin]

the stack

initial stack delay

[tall torrent]

U need to sprint a full 1s to stack

If u don’t get a full second, it doesn’t stack

[frank basin]

for sliding

and your character stop sprinting it wont stack, so there's delay?

[tall torrent]

What delay are u talking about???

[broken spade]

if you just do anything that's not sprinting, you won't gain a stack

[frank basin]

when your character stop sliding and uncrouch has to sprint again, does it have initial delay?

[tall torrent]

Read?

[frank basin]

so theres initial delay

[narrow frost]

No delay, it only starts counting when you sprint

[tall torrent]

.

[broken spade]

i guess you could interpret that as 1 second delay before gaining a stack

[tall torrent]

Sprint 1 second (1 full second has passed) = 1 stack

[frank basin]

yes

[narrow frost]

I see

[frank basin]

initial delay my means from sliding your character after get up it didn't sprint has to press shift to sprint again make there initial delay.

yeah

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtu.be/UGXsTjuDQ0g?si=m0AHVkhWhfI0-uU1

It's up

The anti Path video 😔

[tall torrent]

I’m not watching that

[orchid hemlock]

Don't worry I'll do it for you 🫡

[tall torrent]

Idk why u enjoy watching bait so much

[broken spade]

didn't he make a video like this a couple days ago?

is he gonna not be wrong about out for blood this time?

[orchid hemlock]

It's not bait unfortunately 😔

[orchid hemlock]

He removed it

[tall torrent]

Why

[primal zealot]

When will you understand that it’s all bait

[orchid hemlock]

He's serious

[tall torrent]

Seriously baiting yea

[broken spade]

last time i made it 6 minutes into the video before he criticized a node he was completely wrong about

he thought out for blood worked like blood redemption

and would be like 5% of the 5% on the melee kill toughness

[primal zealot]

I suspect many of you do not know any Swedes and therefore do not understand Swedish humor

But it’s bait

[tall torrent]

He could unironically learn a lot from my guide

[orchid hemlock]

He's Swedish?

[broken spade]

tanner is new player, pls understand

[primal zealot]

Idk lol someone said he was

[orchid hemlock]

That explains his racism tbh 🤔

[primal zealot]

I don’t watch “content” or whatever tf

Lmaooo there’s a bait emoji

🎣

[orchid hemlock]

I'm not baiting 😔

[earnest bone]

wtf is that garbage reupload

since he deleted the original video

[orchid hemlock]

Idk what happened

Maybe wanted to edit if more?

[tall torrent]

Maybe I should make some guide video or smth

[earnest bone]

he probably said too much embarassing sht

and decided to remove the video entirely

then reupload the "fixed" one

[orchid hemlock]

Path comes in and everyone hates him 😔

As the saying goes, even Jesus had haters

[earnest bone]

if you want to make an entire video out of vet guide

thats will be like 3 hours long

[tall torrent]

That’d be like 10 hours

Minimum

[earnest bone]

you can ignore garbage weps

autopistol at home:

[orchid hemlock]

Chainsword

[tall torrent]

I have a profound level of contempt for “commissar role play” veterans

[orchid hemlock]

Don't Commisar use DS tho? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Chainsword is just

Maybe I should change the weapon overview pages to be the tier lists

[orchid hemlock]

It's not rly there fault. This is Warhammer, u see the chainsword and immediately know how iconic it is

[tall torrent]

I don’t think there’s much to argue abt my weapon ranking

[orchid hemlock]

What is interesting about Tanner is he never mentions the Rashad

[broken spade]

well last vid i saw a bunch of people correcting him

i only got a few minutes into the video though

[orchid hemlock]

Imagine him coping in a Path video about it

[tall torrent]

Yea cuz he builds it wrong

He was running BM + thrust

[broken spade]

wtf

[earnest bone]

[frank basin]

is your correct is Bm + ht?

[tall torrent]

yea

I still don't see if there's legit argument to move anything in here

[orchid hemlock]

He's gonna fume when he sees mk 3 knife soo low

[tall torrent]

It’s not low tho

[orchid hemlock]

to him it is

[tall torrent]

Decent is “good enough”

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but this is Tanner we are talking about

He will die on a hill even if that hill is empty

[broken spade]

move autopistol to zero trick

[slow spade]

the mk9 being only one trick

[broken spade]

no one uses it

[slow spade]

poor mk12

[tall torrent]

Autopistol staggers rager in 3 shots iirc

[bronze trout]

Howw the mighty have fallen

[wild vortex]

on Rashad!?

[tall torrent]

When he was in this server almost a year ago he was saying Rashad 2 tap crusher with thrust

[wild vortex]

what about everything other than Crushers...

does non-Headtaker even reach consistent breakpoints?

[tall torrent]

It can

U can build for bruiser 1HS without headtaker at all

[broken spade]

It had thrust back then? I've never even given it any thought

[tall torrent]

But it’s pretty limiting for talent choices

[broken spade]

headtaker bm was always just so strong

[earnest bone]

imagine if tanners video is just compilation info from your guide

[frank basin]

I still use it

[tall torrent]

Always did, just not very good

[earnest bone]

but im not watching that, since the guy is a tard

[tall torrent]

He prob doesn’t know abt the guide since he’s not here

[earnest bone]

sometimes these kind of people lurk here and there

on alt accounts

[tall torrent]

I doubt it

[broken spade]

People insult tanner here nonstop

if he lurked here, it would drive him insane

[compact marsh]

I keep seeing mention of the Mk1 & Mk2 variants of the Lucius-pattern Lasgun, but only see 3a, 4, and 5 available as marks in-game.

[frank basin]

because those are old names

we are old memeber before they rename weapons

[runic flower]

idg the bitterness against tanner
im 30 mins and he hasnt said anything wrong

[earnest bone]

the problem is not only he's spreading a lot of BS info

[runic flower]

such as?

[earnest bone]

his behavior is also garbage

so it is what it is

[tall torrent]

Do I rly gotta watch a Tanner video and pick out everything wrong

[earnest bone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211203478284926976/1281888137626517504/caption.gif

[compact marsh]

So what new names do the old names correspond to?

[runic flower]

he's never said not to use uncanny strike, just that precog is better, which is objectively true

uncanny strike has uses

like with a purgatus psyker

[wary rover]

🫢 🍿

[runic flower]

just seems unfair to put bullshit on other people's mouth

weasel-like, even

[tall torrent]

Precog is only better for zealot

And that’s mainly due to duellist working the way it does

[bleak cradle]

Uncanny is definitely bis for psyker

[frank basin]

im going boot up and tell you in a moment

[runic flower]

theres instances where its good for vet also but yeah, its a nuanced topic

[earnest bone]

and the fact that you can reach 75-95-100% crit rate on zealot

[tall torrent]

It’s ok at best for veteran when uncanny gives u much safer breakpoints for basically no investment

[runic flower]

agree to disagree

[broken spade]

He just doesn't script his videos or test things so he just says things that are wrong.
Like he made the whole curio video and gave a review on toughness regen without knowing how toughness regen works. Someone corrected him in the comments and he admitted he didn't know, you can probably find it

The deleted video from yesterday had him harping on out for blood when he was completely wrong on how it worked. He could've tested it in 10 seconds but didn't bother.
At least he deleted the vid though

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-gif-22770746

The deleted video from yesterday had him harping on out for blood when he was completely wrong on how it worked. He could've tested it in 10 seconds but didn't bother.

[runic flower]

i mean, at least he made the effort to correct his stuff

[tall torrent]

I think the fact that he needs to be constantly corrected is a problem

I didn’t publish my guide until majority is complete & verified

[broken spade]

I will give credit where it is due and say it is good when he tries to correct himself

but the way he tries to establish himself as being correct when he doesn't test shit is just irritating

[broken gazelle]

which IAG do people like these days? V?

[earnest bone]

5

[orchid hemlock]

nah

[terse idol]

Issue being with talent stuff

Like ahhh

[frank basin]

Fast weak hit Mk 1 -> Mk V
Balanced Mk2 -> MkIIIa
Slow hit hard mk3 -> IV

[terse idol]

I dunno

[orchid hemlock]

hes form the depths of 4chan, I can care less

[terse idol]

I wish I knew how both blessings worked! Or the relative increase between vet and zealot

[grand perch]

so you couldn't care less? or could care less?

[terse idol]

If you can spend fewer points on vet and not take one of the blessings it is just

[frank basin]

Smudgels!

:D

[terse idol]

Then better for one class

[severe gale]

what’s out for blood again

[terse idol]

Pizzaaa

[frank basin]

:>

[terse idol]

Its not about being able to agree to disagree i do think it's just more objective

[earnest bone]

i wonder, if we ask FS to make this a baseline

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

[broken gazelle]

and perks? damage vs something I imagine.

[earnest bone]

would that be embarassin

[broken spade]

vet node for 5% toughness on any kill

[broken spade]

.

[orchid hemlock]

ur mom

[earnest bone]

Dumdum/Deathspitter (Fire Frenzy)
Deathspitter buffs damage on all distances

[severe gale]

ohh

how was he wrong

[earnest bone]

perks flak maniac

[severe gale]

did he say it didn’t apply to ranged

or something

[tall torrent]

The difference is, zealot gets a +100% finesse increase to critical weakspot hits from duellist (+50% from weakspot, +50% from crit) which translates to almost 500 extra damage

Veteran doesn’t have remotely close benefits (at most +55% finesse to Crit weakspot)

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/fard-your-mom-darktide-warhammer-40k-ogryn-gif-3575968181457594534

[tall torrent]

So with precog, zealot gets a whopping +160% finesse bonus on Crit weakspot, while being a class that forces melee crits out super easily

[earnest bone]

add all insane stacked TDR on top of that

[orchid hemlock]

yeah precog is better if u can land a crit every time you proc it

but tell me

[broken spade]

he actually thought it was 5% out of 5% from melee kills, adding like 0.25% toughness
You know, like how zealot's works but with a much lower number.
But in reality it's an actual 5% toughness on any kill

[orchid hemlock]

gambling addicts

[severe gale]

oh lmfao

what an idiot

[orchid hemlock]

[terse idol]

B4b working like how it actually is worded

[broken spade]

it's an understandable mistake considering how zealot has a similarly worded node, but this takes like 10 seconds to test if you have creature spawner installed

[tall torrent]

Precog’s main upside over uncanny is better boss damage scaling (knife doesn’t have low unyielding ADM, but has very high crit finesse on unyielding)

[grand perch]

well to be fair at first i thought it worked like that too

[broken spade]

Like not knowing is whatever, small detail.
Not testing before publishing a video is what bothers me

[severe gale]

mmm yes knife killing bosses faster than thunder hammer

this is balanced

[compact marsh]

Hope the hard-hitting one isn't the one where you slash with your bayonet, rather than stab. (Can't remember)

[grand perch]

but it only took a short test to notice it works differently

[severe gale]

it is, unfortunately

[tall torrent]

I wish people actually knew what they were talking about (verified) before presenting their takes

[severe gale]

same!!

(gameplay help, psyker chat)

[broken spade]

This game has such a history of not being accurate or intuitive with descriptions.
Publishing informative work should come with testing and not just assumptions based on descriptions

[frank basin]

@broken spade this video he call out for blood is borderline strong

[broken spade]

ok good he fixed it

[frank basin]

i love out for blood on my graia braced gun combine inspiring barrage

[broken spade]

his deleted video has him say "why would anyone pick this?"

[frank basin]

[tall torrent]

Is there a mod somewhere that allows me to enable any talent buff on myself

In meat grinder

[grand perch]

well CK is the better option in almost all builds anyway

[severe gale]

i wish there was, i couldn’t find any though, the closest is loadout config

maybe ask in the modding discord

[tall torrent]

I wanna enable competitive urge in meat grinder to check what breakpoints it may enable

[grand perch]

impossibru

[tall torrent]

Also I just wanna say competitive urge uptime is

[grand perch]

meaning: bad?

[frank basin]

check dms @tall torrent

[tropic notch]

I’ve always wondered about it but never took it over stuff that’s more reliable

[bronze trout]

For the Recon XII is it better to run infernus with headhunter or dumdum? And do you run flak with maniac or crit chance?

[tall torrent]

If u activate VoC once every 30s on avg in a 30 minute game, that’s up to 600s of CQKZ uptime (15% close damage)

If ur teammates get 1500 kills, that’s up to 300s of comp urge uptime

I’ll let u decide which one is better

[grand perch]

competing with VoC is always a tough sell

[faint beacon]

Hmmmmmm

Me thinks competitive…..

[tropic notch]

Is poopy

Voc is just the best behind ex stance

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cs2-gif-11963154376433721241

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + deathspitter/infernus
flak + crit chance

Now the funny thing is

[faint beacon]

Right…

[tall torrent]

I don’t think CQKZ enables much in terms of new breakpoints?

[tropic notch]

Why is woods here

[faint beacon]

He hasn’t played the BO1 campaign

[tropic notch]

The numbers

[faint beacon]

Skin him

[tropic notch]

I have?

Poopy head?

Go home to this or be bad at darktide

I’ve yet to see the creature

This isn’t zealot chat oops

[grand perch]

[narrow frost]

It's just boss dps

[tall torrent]

I’m having indecisiveness between 9 talents:
5% crit chance
CQKZ
Rending strikes
Competitive urge
Skirmisher
Target down
Focussed fire
Twinned blast
Field improv

All within 1 point’s reach

[grand perch]

oh lawd

[tall torrent]

I guess duck&dive could be in there too but

I checked and it’s more funny than useful

[grand perch]

skirmisher?

are you feeling alright

[tropic notch]

Imagine if you had 5 more skill points

[tall torrent]

Run into fights with basically about as much damage as 5 headtaker stacks up

[grand perch]

blink S-O-S if youre being held hostage

[faint beacon]

Rending strikes is a mixed bag cause 10% rending can be absolutely fucked

On some weapons

Mainly VAs

[tall torrent]

Rending strikes gives like 1 new crit related breakpoint on crusher if I’m too lazy to tag

CQKZ gives bulwark 2 tap without crits with max redirect fire + headtaker, but doesn’t do much anywhere else

[frank basin]

am thinking Mk 2 helbore armorbane and weight of fire

[hearty panther]

eh it is global damage but .....

[tall torrent]

I wish it was actually good

[hearty panther]

YEEEAAH

[orchid hemlock]

time to make a hellbore build

[hearty panther]

caps

[grand perch]

well honbstely, if youre at the point of optimising for niche cases, i'd just take field improv

[faint beacon]

Skirmisher if it was actually good

You guys are dreaming

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher doesn’t stack at all in fights and it sucks

[hearty panther]

its at best # stacks damage for 8s or w/e

at the start of a fight

[tall torrent]

Which is like

U might as well CQKZ

[frank basin]

is good with double barrel

you run and gun

[hearty panther]

simultaneously making it good would just undercut zealot and IJs entire purpose

so its like

idk just delete it maybe lmao

would make grabbing wepspec and Onslaught feel less shitty

for those that want it

[faint beacon]

Rework it

[hearty panther]

Rework how

[faint beacon]

Vanguard was reworked

[ancient path]

alrightie, chat. today is shotgun day. are they trash rn?

[hearty panther]

Vanguard was removed

[faint beacon]

They can rework skirmisher

[hearty panther]

A fucken crime against humanity

A crime against ME

[faint beacon]

They could make it like

This is me going out in a limb

[ancient path]

gunna bust out ye ol boomstick when i get home

[hearty panther]

right now skirmishers idea is that being mobile and swapping weapons in a fight should reward you. But that's just agile engagement and wepspec

[faint beacon]

Kills increase stamina regen by X% per Y stack

Stacks 5 times

[tall torrent]

5 stacks of +3% damage (max 15%)
Stack once for every 1 second moving (stack once for every 0.5s sprinting)

Smth like that

It needs to be able to maintain stacks in combat

[faint beacon]

I was thinking stamina regen on kill

[hearty panther]

im wary about giving Veteran even more fucken damage

[faint beacon]

So it encourages the GO GO GO

playstyle

[tall torrent]

I also think comp urge needs to be reworked

I’d much rather if comp urge was attack speed and crit chance

Instead of this meaningless +damage that prob doesn’t contribute to anything

[hearty panther]

wdym it also gives u suppression

pure value town

[grand perch]

absolute key talent for my meme suppression build

[frank basin]

are ya'll vet boi debate about bad key node?

[faint beacon]

I was thinking comp urge could be made into an aura type buff that just gives a random selected buff to a person within radius per kill or something like that

[grand perch]

so claptrap from borderlands pre sequel?

[faint beacon]

Be useless

Yes

[tall torrent]

Also rework grenadier
Make it like
Any elite & specialist enemy u kill has 1% chance to drop a blitz (of ur choosing) when they’re killed

[faint beacon]

In all seriousness though I think competitive urge should encourage the idea of buffing yourself and teammates

[tall torrent]

Make it funny

[faint beacon]

Nerf demo team?

[tall torrent]

Nah

Make grenadier interesting

[faint beacon]

Okay are you saying like

I kill a bomber

And he just drops a shredder on death