veteran-class

[jovial sluice]

Ouch

I just pop my wrist

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-paralyzed-hand-not-working-gif-16546906

[jovial sluice]

Still those starting to like the combat knife on vet

[thick kestrel]

it has it's charms, I kind of got into the flow of it as I finished off the mastery but I'm happy enough to say that I prefer other options.

you don't need to use the "good" weapons if they don't feel great.

same reason I put the powersword in storage once I maxxed it.

[thin stone]

Is the veteran guide still updated regularly?

[lusty sapphire]

Yes

[thin stone]

Cool thanks

[warm harbor]

Meta chasing ruins games tbf
I use what I have fun using
Lastly I’ve been getting mastery on other weapons but jow that a new event just dropped I’m grabbing back my vet with Lucius and Chainsword cause that’s what I have the most fun (and the most skill) playing with

[thick kestrel]

this is the way

[brave pond]

Bro say sike rn💀

[dreamy spade]

https://tenor.com/view/peashooter-gif-17102957129566763720

[brave pond]

Literally

[lusty sapphire]

Man I want the lawbringer to be good so badly but it's such a pain to use

[brave pond]

The pump action shotgun?

[jovial sluice]

Wait is combat knife meta

Because I feel like it isn’t

[rocky jacinth]

it's the metaest

possibly supplanted by dsword

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah medium version. I refuse to call it zarona

[jovial sluice]

Oh meh I still find it fun

[verbal burrow]

Rashad axe feels fantastic tho

[brave pond]

Use Scattershot with Flechette, and use the one with the Duckbill special shot

[verbal burrow]

Before that I mostly viewed melee as a chore, but now that I can get a lot more out of melee by aiming for the skulls, I get a lot more enjoyment out of it

[lusty sapphire]

Still very gimmicky

[verbal burrow]

I really feel the synergy between that axe and the Veteran talent tree

[brave pond]

Vet can make for a decent melee build. The only melee I don’t like is the Heavy Sword just because it has poor performance against Armor, and I like dueling Maulers and Crushers

[earnest bone]

The problem is HSword got awful Carapace damage AND Unyelding damage

it's one of the worst weapons vs bosses, bulwarks, etc

[brave pond]

Which doesn’t makes sense to me why it would have poor Unyielding.

[earnest bone]

for it's weakness HSword perfomance vs other targets

dont justify it

sadly

[earnest bone]

Rashad mk3 had atrocious Maniac damage on heavy attacks for a year and then it was buffed

maybe they'l look into HSword damage vs Unyelding at least

it deserve a buff

[brave pond]

Like all unyielding is, is just Ogryns flesh

Like I get it’s thick but I don’t think it’s as thick as Carapace armor

[earnest bone]

[brave pond]

So far as I am aware the worst weapons in the game right now are the auto pistol, vigilante Autoguns and the Hsword

[earnest bone]

well, HSword is not the worst, like Autopistol, but you are locked into Bolter pretty much

as secondary weapon

you can use Zarona mk2, but then your boss damage will still be shet (compared to bolter)

[brave pond]

Hsword is only really good for it’s moveset and horde clear potential

[earnest bone]

unless you will unload all ammo into it

[real shoal]

Shotty slugs do like 400-600 on carapace. So like 1/3ish or less than a good revolver shot.

[brave pond]

Meanwhile the Shovel has the same effect but can handle carapace and Unyielding

[brave pond]

The fact the revolver is so damn strong for no reason still irritates me

Literally better than a Bolter in some cases still.

[real shoal]

Yeah, it's kinda like the DS4 in that it's just so good with weakspot into armor.

At least the revolver actually HAS the weakness into hordes. Like you can shoot it, but you can't really deal with hordes using it.

I wouldn't mind if the dueling sword's light attacks did fuck-all into hordes or the base damage got lowered with the weakshot going up to compensate.

Make it ass outside of its actual usecase, and it'll still be disgusting as a thunder hammer replacement (better in groups of 3+ crushers, lol)

[brave pond]

Doesn’t help that every class in the game benefits from it somehow.
Psykers can go Crit set up and just turn the revolver into a “I one shot every special and elite” deal
Zealots can have volume of fire and crits (Thanks to reload speed buffs and so on)
And vets can get insane weakspot damage stacks

[tough tiger]

Petition to return ds4 back to psyker exclusive

[verbal burrow]

Bolter charges Surgical far faster

[brave pond]

That’s why I said better than the Bolter in some cases.

[verbal burrow]

Bolter is also just better due to being able to kill through cover

[brave pond]

That doesn’t mean better than the bolter in every case

[tough tiger]

Bolter is more versatile tho

Bolter can deal with literally everything

[thick kestrel]

nothing wrong with it if it's a weapon you genuinely enjoy!

main point is don't feel compelled to use weapons if they don't feel great just because they're meta.

use weapons because you like them

[verbal burrow]

I might use DS4 if we get better drip

[brave pond]

Bolter is more versatile yes.
However, it’s downsides come from how cumbersome it is. It tends to eat ammo up quickly and can’t replenish as well as the revolver, meanwhile the revolver can top off ammo quickly and you don’t use as much of it since you mostly go for specials anyway with your gun, it’s faster to take specials down since you don’t suffer recoil recovery like the bolter does, you tend to load the revolver faster than a Bolter unless you got a shit roll in reload speed

[verbal burrow]

It is a known fact that drip was the main reason why saltzpyre was so good with a rapier in vt

[brave pond]

Not to mention it’s slow and bulky which doesn’t go well for weapon swap builds like weapon specialist

[verbal burrow]

If a bolter is eating ammo that means that the user is failing to use the semi auto firing mode

[tough tiger]

Or is only using the bolter and not the melee

Or if they're playing the new modifier with 10 billion burgles xd

Kraks and bolters are a godsend

[brave pond]

More so what I’m testing on frankly.

[tough tiger]

Bolter vet makes quick work of burgles

[brave pond]

It’s why I love Vet with Bolter or even plasma

You just melt boss health pools

[green willow]

running it so i could proc full bore everytime

and snipers

[verbal burrow]

I will say that people here complain far too much about how the boltgun handles.

I am used to the muskets from Vermintide. A semiautomatic rpg with a 15 round magazine is luxurious.

It just necessitates thinking around those factors

[idle swallow]

yeah boltgun handles pretty slowly that's the point. It's a giant metal beast that basically shoots mini rockets and you're no space marine, you don't get to fling it around like an smg

[atomic zephyr]

boltgun handles great now anyway

[pastel zealot]

i dont see many folks using tacaxes

[tame lodge]

They are incredibly mid

[pseudo fiber]

Servicable but mid

there's enjoyment in them but they feel like they take like 4 swings too many on some enemies

[thick kestrel]

they're fast and very good at keeping you alive with powerful dodges and fast interupt attacks, but you need to be really precise with head strikes to get reasonable damage out of them and they struggle against tougher targets.

they can get by and they're a lot of fun to use but they sadly have some big weaknesses it can be tricky to work around.

[ripe totem]

love this build on veteran

it's good at scraping back runs and just being a general good filler

duelsword agile+thrist+carapace+maniacs / plasma gun gloryhunter+volatile+maniacs+specialists / 3 toughness curios with toughness/CDR/stamina

[remote sonnet]

I see too many stealth vet ruined games because of their ego to solo.

[ripe totem]

yeah they play like zealots

when they aren't zealots

[spark helm]

Sounds like they aren't taking the talent that just turns off aggro in the time it takes to finish off some dudes and head back to team.

[remote sonnet]

I got an auric with 2 guys down, defending the horde coming from 2 ways. The dude turned on stealth, and boom, all of the enemy argo are on my ass all of sudden.

[spark helm]

Ah, they weren't paying attention. Unfortunate.

[remote sonnet]

The dude then tried to rescue the other guys without killing mob around during the horde... so they die right after getting rescued... It happened way too often with Stealth vet.

[ripe totem]

plasma stealth vet is amazing to cloak and then deal with a threat like a sniper in the middle of a baying mob

stuff that you just can't generally get to without potentially taking a lot of damage

[remote sonnet]

If you have the plasma gun, why do you still need stealth to deal with them???

[spark helm]

Sounds like they just lacked better fundamental situational awareness in general on top of having stealth.

[remote sonnet]

I don't hate stealth, I played quite a bit of it. It is great on objectives that ask you to run around.

[spark helm]

Infiltrate dmg, playing off infiltration nodes, generally repositioning off of it.

It's not always necessary and judgement is important

[remote sonnet]

Plasma can point and click and pretty delete sniper and gunner in 1 hit anyway.

and doesn't it have so strong penetration that you can shoot through the other mods and still kill sniper at distance?

[spark helm]

You can. I'm just talking about situations where you're probably going to want space, or safely reposition to get an angle you need kind of thing.

When I'm running infiltration and happen to be using plasma and there's a sudden group of ragers, crushers and maulers, I'll pop stealth, slide back and get back to shooting.

[tall torrent]

This is missing breakpoints for plasma

[tall torrent]

Only if u build correctly for breakpoints

[split grove]

Which heavy lasgun to use

[ripe totem]

sometimes you need to vent or reload

it helps a lot

[split grove]

laspistol

[ripe totem]

also if a sniper or w/e randomly pops out like atomans usually do you're up to your pits in groaners

and if you switch guns they have a habit of swatting you out of aiming

while stealth allows you to basically go "nope lol" and give you a bit of a breather

[ripe totem]

the build one shots anything at any distance (though had to change out agile engagement) except for crusher mauler and bulwark

though I prefer to stab them with duelling sword anyway

[tall torrent]

Are you using charged shots?

[ripe totem]

no

[tall torrent]

Then yea it’s missing breakpoints

You can’t 1hs dreg gunner without crit, and u can’t 1 bodyshot the shotgunners

[nocturne pendant]

Plasma is good and fun, but you will need to accept the fact that you will be slow af

However everything in a given direction will disappear when firing

Helbore is good but not as good

But it is fun

[stoic thorn]

Slow? Yeah I just pull out and rev my chainsword

Exe stance and start chowing on specials and elites

[nocturne pendant]

Yea again, not really an issue

You should be swapping to melee when moving anyways

:v

[stoic thorn]

I think with the right build you could do some good amount of boss damage

I run exe stance and focus fire

[nocturne pendant]

You do realize it can one shot crushers with a charged headshot right?

[stoic thorn]

Who tf charging

[nocturne pendant]

I do

[stoic thorn]

I just like 2 shot headshot

Normal fire

[nocturne pendant]

For the extra thickness

[stoic thorn]

My charge is 60%

[nocturne pendant]

The thickness helps when far away

[stoic thorn]

So I don't charge fire

[nocturne pendant]

And with hordes

[stoic thorn]

Yeah it's called blowing yourself up

[nocturne pendant]

•_•

[stoic thorn]

The horde of poxies when I pull out the 100% charge plasma and charge fire

[nocturne pendant]

Are you that careless?

[nocturne pendant]

Just press the normal fire button

Then it auto cools

Then you can charge it

[tall torrent]

On plasma, there’s 1 build that can do good boss damage

Around 39k unyielding damage in 11 headshots before having to vent

[nocturne pendant]

Ive got 2 perks i forgor which

[tall torrent]

But plasma wants very specific perks basically all the time

Unyielding is not part of that selection

[stoic thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/floreyonce-spongebob-gif-27696536

[tall torrent]

Missing breakpoints

[nocturne pendant]

Wdym

Tf is a breakpoint

[stoic thorn]

One shotting enemies or smth

[nocturne pendant]

What is a breakpoint

[vapid nacelle]

Breakpoints being the point of investment in which you now kill an enemy in one less hit

so if you go from killing a rager in 3 hits to 2 hits, that's a new breakpoint

[tall torrent]

Amount of damage needed to kill important enemies in as few hits as possible

[nocturne pendant]

It kills scab ragers in one body hit and crushers in one when it crits*

2 shots mutants when non charged

[tall torrent]

Don’t use charged shots

[nocturne pendant]

As i stated i charge it often

[nocturne pendant]

But thick beams go brrr

[stoic thorn]

Virgin calculating breakpoints vs chad plasmaing it until it's fucking dead

[tall torrent]

You just lose dps from using charged shots, unfortunately

[nocturne pendant]

Literally

[nocturne pendant]

But its a faster ttk

[tall torrent]

Not rly

[nocturne pendant]

Its more burst dmg instead of outright dps

You hide behind cover, charge and peek

[tall torrent]

Charge time is long enough that u lose dps in the end

[stoic thorn]

Plasma doesn't care about breakpoints it just makes the victim see and feel the sun on their body

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gif-949319236308169219

[tall torrent]

good for u buddy

[stoic thorn]

I don't even know how many shots it takes to kill something

Sometimes it's 2 sometimes it's 1

[hollow ibex]

nah i'd win

[severe gale]

path arguing with brain rot

[remote sonnet]

What's the point of Dps if the enemy is dead anyway?

[severe gale]

i’m sorry path

but

this is all ur doing

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

[tall torrent]

I know

[nocturne pendant]

Ngl

I think the smoke nade needs an overhauling

Maybe have medicae gas to slow and stun enemies

Not deal damage, just give you a breather

[ripe totem]

yeah smokes are pretty shit

mostly because they fuck up vision for teammates vs anything else

if the smokes actually made the enemies glow like exe stance does when bestowed to allies that'd be huge

you'd think it would also give a buff if you're in the smoke fog at least, like vastly reduce the impact of hits so you can pop them and start tanking

[thick kestrel]

they're not perfect but they do have some notable uses.

the main thing is that they heavily disrupt enemy specials; specifically Snipers, Hounds, Trappers and Flamers.

all of them need to move into/through the smoke in order to target you.

so dropping them at your feet in the middle of a big close range brawl isn't the worst usecase

[tall torrent]

I don’t think you understand how they work

[thick kestrel]

and your vision "out" of the smoke is significantly better than "through" the smoke

[narrow frost]

I was about to say

dissing my smoke?

[thick kestrel]

think of them sort of like a weaker version of the psyker's shield bubble

[narrow frost]

Rude

[ripe totem]

knowing my luck they have krypto the super nurgle dog who leaps at an ally outside the smoke, into the smoke, and collides with a smoked teammate that forces hound in face

[thick kestrel]

except you have multiple of them to go at once :>

of course you can also chuck them down range into choke points in order to force enemy shooters to come through it to get at you

[ripe totem]

if smokes instantly detonated that'd be good as well

[thick kestrel]

I wouldn't disagree on them having an impact fuse admittedly, but they're far from awful as they are.

just niche

[ripe totem]

I don't

and my dinosaur brain prefers dead enemies so it's frag or krak every time

[thin stone]

Who is path

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent

[thin stone]

Oh

[molten hound]

Is thrust better value than skullcrusher on folding shovel?

[thin stone]

Yes

Thrust is chad

[molten hound]

Hmm

[thin stone]

You know what else is chad?

Ogryn

[earnest bone]

who is Hammer of Emperor

[thin stone]

Who is joe

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[grand perch]

iirc path himself said thrust on folding shovels is still a DPS loss, so i went with uncanny instead

even though its two of the reocmmended blessings

[tall torrent]

Thrust is alright-ish

Uncanny is best obv even though it’s boring

Then decimator / thrust usually

Thrust is ok on mk3 shovel because it’s a one trick

[thick kestrel]

mhmm, thrust mainly gives you a target cracker option without much investment elsewhere on your tree.

it's not perfect and kind of relies on getting the window for the big swing but it doesn't need much to make it actually worthwhile

and y'know... it's funny for bonk-stabbing Mutants as they run past

[split grove]

are there any minmax tricks with exe boltor

like can i reload faster somehow

[tall torrent]

Do you have severe autism

[split grove]

gonna have to hear it first

if you say quell cancel i'ma not do it

[tall torrent]

Sprint cancel after every reload stage

Do it all the time

[regal belfry]

what is best weapon for shocking stuff

[hearty panther]

https://youtu.be/dvqnixyv0Pk?si=O06Ya6E0FfU_lwVR

[split grove]

WOOO i'm not doing that 1

[hearty panther]

learn to do that

[ripe totem]

smite

[earnest bone]

i played some matches today with Uncanny/Decimator mk1 shovel - heavy attack 10 stacks go brr

[split grove]

Holy fuck that reload speed

[earnest bone]

the bonk still feels good

[split grove]

😓

[hearty panther]

thats with zero reload speed nodes

[regal belfry]

i mean the penance

[split grove]

💦

[hearty panther]

that wasnt even a perfect take

it bothers me

[tall torrent]

This video has so much raw unfiltered autism behind it

[hearty panther]

excuse me ser

[tall torrent]

I respect it

[hearty panther]

im powered by caffeine and thc

[tall torrent]

But I’m too lazy to be doing all that

[split grove]

having trouble picking the blessings for boltor, i wanna delete all elites and then magdump the boss for respectable damage

Shattering + puncture?

do i need focus target for breakpoint?

[tall torrent]

Pinning fire + puncture

[tall torrent]

Yes

Also run exe stance

[split grove]

ofc i run exe

i must destroy all things

i also apparently live longer than the voc guy in a lot of my test runs

lol

do i want volley adept btw?

[tall torrent]

Tac reload pathing can be better

[molten hound]

i personally take tac reload because i want the swap speed node

[split grove]

i really like the swap speed

so i'm already locked into that 1

[molten hound]

but tac reload is annoying compared to volley adept

[split grove]

just wondering if ppl take both

[tall torrent]

Nah u don’t need both

[molten hound]

no thats way too much point investment

[tall torrent]

Tac reload is just “don’t always magdump”

[split grove]

do i want to take ogryn/ranged enemy node for exe stance

[tall torrent]

Exe doesn’t need subnodes

[molten hound]

the ranged enemy node is kind of a meme but its really fun

[split grove]

ok thx

for focus target redirect fire is the only subnode?

[tall torrent]

Take redirect fire

What melee are u using

[split grove]

heavy sword or rashad usually

i need a horde clear

[dry cloak]

Blue chainaxe has nice hordeclear

[split grove]

what is a blue chainaxe

[pseudo fiber]

MK 12

[split grove]

it actually has good waveclear?

[pseudo fiber]

FINE

sorry

it's fine

[split grove]

oh movespeed instead of the stam

is the twinblast demo team combo just for infinite horde clear

seems fun

i'm running flak unyield

puncture pinning

[orchid hemlock]

Frags really like grenade nodes because they are spamable

[tall torrent]

It’s funny

The other option would be marksman which only rly matters for crusher & boss magdumping

[orchid hemlock]

Why not take the Ogryn highlight for Exe? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Cuz u normally don’t need to keep it up specifically for ogryns

[pseudo fiber]

if you do boss magdump bolter better to run unyielding or keep flakiac?

[tall torrent]

Flak & maniac

I don’t think boss 1 mag is a particular breakpoint worth chasing for

[pseudo fiber]

I mean it's not exactly reliable in a normal game in my experience

puncture still worth taking though?

[tall torrent]

Ya

[pseudo fiber]

appreciate the answers been refining my bolter build due to the event

[undone jungle]

I've been running flesh tearer + uncanny strike knife on my vet, anything else worth trying?

[inland orchid]

knife wise or just melee weapon choice in general

[undone jungle]

knife wise for this case, it's working out well on this build :P

[split grove]

oh my god boltor is so fucking good

[pseudo fiber]

mercy killer uncanny and take serrated blade

[split grove]

this is true power

[inland orchid]

ya what BJH said, mercy killer's amazing

[undone jungle]

I guess I could yea

wait it's just +60% like precog? that's kinda lame

I might as well get precog

[candid path]

is there a way to get the dmr type gun to work -- the one that has like a 17-20 magazine and does good headshot damage but is single shot? it seems objectively worse than the infantry gun in every way

(not a great player, just enjoy this shit)

[somber adder]

Weapons like that are just generally worse than weapons who can deal with more enemies in a shorter period of time. The vigilant guns are all pretty terrible compared to other weapons but you can still make them work if you like them for sure

@tall torrent Might have a build or you can check their guide in the pins

[tall torrent]

Nah, graia 7 is strong

[somber adder]

Strong at what?

[supple stag]

Antigunner duty

Probably your best pick for that

[somber adder]

Makes sense. If only they reverted the shooter nerfs and made them a bit more aggressive

Weapons like inf lasguns would have a chance to shine

[tall torrent]

Kill 4 gunners per second, avg ~1.7k flak bodyshot dps

Very strong ammo economy & high uptime

[somber adder]

[dry cloak]

Imo vigilant rifles need a buff or a rework

Same with helbores

[somber adder]

I think they deliver well on their fantasy aspect but they could use some love

[dry cloak]

Yes youre right

[somber adder]

I just hope Darktide is not gonna turn into yet another game where powercreep reigns supreme

Looks at pickaxes

[dry cloak]

Plasma shout vet

[somber adder]

Eh, plasma has been (too) strong since forever

[dry cloak]

Pick have such performance for a reason

[somber adder]

I moreso mean new stuff outclassing older stuff in every aspect

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[somber adder]

What reason?

[dry cloak]

First 2h for ogryn

[tall torrent]

Pickaxes just happen to be good

Ogryn needs his other weapons to be good

[somber adder]

I agree

[dry cloak]

Poor paul and krourk stubber

[tall torrent]

Bully club vs pickaxes

[somber adder]

Buff old stuff instead of creeping with new shinies

[dry cloak]

Yeah

I mean vast majority of ogryns arsenal is perfectly viable

Rumbler and mk6 cleaver are outliers

[somber adder]

It all feels incredibly underwhelming to me after feeling the might of pickaxes

[tall torrent]

Most of ogryn weapons are not good

[somber adder]

Those really deliver on 3 metres tall, 400kg of pure muscle havoc

[tall torrent]

Because they’re actually good

[somber adder]

So you keep saying, stating the obvious.

[tall torrent]

Ogryn is a class with very strong talents but horrendous weapons

[dry cloak]

But then shield H1 spam

[tall torrent]

Shield happens to be the other melee that’s good

Shield H1 BM is pretty high horde clear efficiency and it has utility

[somber adder]

Yeah all of their weapons feel kind of crappy in certain areas, by design I assume since they're supposed to be unwieldy hunks of metal but it is a bit sad

[dry cloak]

I mean yes

[tall torrent]

I don’t like Ogryn’s weapon balance in general

[dry cloak]

Why? Voice your concerns

[tall torrent]

Very one dimensional

Take example, achlys stubber

[dry cloak]

Gorg better

[tall torrent]

Most people I see in ogryn chat speak highly of it

If u pitch that against regular autoguns it’s not remotely as good

It’d be like shredder autopistol tier

[dry cloak]

Achlys or gorg

[tall torrent]

I’m talking about Achlys

Gorgonum also has problems

[dry cloak]

Gorg promotes proactive gameplay

[tall torrent]

They’re very one dimensional

[dry cloak]

Achlys is snappier

[tall torrent]

Gorgonum is a little better than achlys in terms of build variety

But only a little

[dry cloak]

And krourk is krourk

[tall torrent]

Because the thing is

Without PBB

They’re just not very good

[dry cloak]

Stubbers are made for pbb

Rippers are good on theyre own

[tall torrent]

Yea, hence the “one dimensional” part

[dry cloak]

Kickback is a cannon

[tall torrent]

And stubbers’ blessing choices are so wack for PBB

Deathspitter & fire frenzy are general good picks

So you’d think they’re good for achlys

But no because DOT kills don’t stack them

You could magdump everything with PBB and get maybe 1 deathspitter stack

Blaze away is like
Shoot 13 shots for 1 stack

[dry cloak]

Thats why i prefer rending pbb

[tall torrent]

On a class that’s already hard capped by ammo

The other half of the problem is

Gunlugger is genuinely outclassed now

[dry cloak]

I have rather unorthodox stubber

Charmed plus inspiring barrage

[tall torrent]

Exe Boltgun veteran does pretty much everything gunlugger does but better

[tall torrent]

No, that’s actually the best combo imo

Because everything else either don’t work properly or work super awkwardly

[dry cloak]

I run this on gorg for record

[tall torrent]

I think deathspitter is worth taking over inspiring barrage for Gorgonum since you’re not going fire

And you’d actually stack deathspitter

But for achlys I think it’s just charmed reload + inspiring barrage

And even then

Exe Boltgun veteran genuinely does pretty much everything gunlugger does but better

While having more value in a team

[dry cloak]

But kicklugger does horde removal better

And now most of the time i run ripper with pbb

[tall torrent]

I’m not sure when horde clear will ever be a major concern for ogryn

Maybe if u one trick bully club

[supple stag]

Or paul

[dry cloak]

Poor paul

Its my glugger secondary but will probly change it

[tall torrent]

I think it can 1 hit 4 groaners & poxwalkers with BM?

That’s way way way higher horde clear efficiency than bully clubs lol

[dry cloak]

Pauls heavies are abit slow

[supple stag]

Paul is giga slow, that's my main gripe with it

[tame lodge]

You can also build Paul to "two" shot most enemies
At the cost of BM though

But you know

Only insane people would drop BM

[split grove]

boltor exe makes me feel alive

[split grove]

can you actually maintain exe past 1 reload?

i can't get it

pop exe kill kill kill reload its gone

[tall torrent]

Yes, if Tac reload is up

[hollow ibex]

tac reload, time your reload, kill someone immediately after reload

[uncut pebble]

10pc chicken nugget with bbq sauce pls.

[grand perch]

pretty sure you can also just hipfire the instant the reloads done, and if you kill something with the first shot, youre just in time? without reload cancelling

[tall torrent]

No, needs sprint cancel then u can shoot

[grand perch]

im 90% sure i used to do that with no reload buffs. lemme test

ah i forgot about the 5% reload node on the way to exec, but it works with it

and if you have exec, you must have that 5% reload anyway

[hearty panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzdKB_8YFqU

[split grove]

wow yeah it's a very tight window

[odd sparrow]

there isnt one

[runic flower]

something like this

it wont perform great

ive used that in aurics but again

it wont do great

vs plasma or a bolter

[hollow ibex]

honestly i think you could get away without using keystones on recon las

[inland orchid]

both those weapons are very good peneration wise compared to recon las

so that makes sense

[runic flower]

definitely

[odd sparrow]

yeah keystoneless seems better tbh

[hollow ibex]

if you do, MF isn't great because recon las doesn't have much finesse anyway

FT or WS are prob better options, or no keystone

recon las isn't picky

[odd sparrow]

get more value from rending and counterfire(anti shoter) on Exe stance

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah if you run exec, counterfire is pretty important / borderline mandatory

[tall torrent]

Nah

[hollow ibex]

you'll pry my infinite exec stance from my cold dead hands

[tall torrent]

Drop exe stance duration when u need to, it’s not that complicated

[runic flower]

vet keystones are overpowered, not taking at least the initial keystone is a big mistake

[inland orchid]

love me some FT damage buff

[runic flower]

both focus target and MF are broken

[tall torrent]

MF needs some changes

[runic flower]

clearly what the game needs is a ranked game mode that focuses on premades and not new content

[hollow ibex]

very true

[uncut pebble]

Vigilant autoguns are good against anything that doesn't have maniac or carapace armor.

Just buff their maniac adm and they'll be alright.

[trim tiger]

how build dclaw. this is where im at and i cant think of a ranged that can deal with armor or afford talent wise. 5 points left

[split grove]

how bigs the sprint cancel window for that particular part

wondering if some of the windows are bigger so i can just crutch on that one

[hearty panther]

biggest gains are from the first and the third cancel

[split grove]

which ones the easiest

since i only need to hit 1 for exec

[hearty panther]

those two, really

you can just practice with the ammo count for them

[split grove]

the part where he's taking it out?

whats the timing

when i see 0

i sc?

[hearty panther]

ye

[atomic zephyr]

time to finally make a double barrel shotgun build

[orchid hemlock]

Revolver

[trim tiger]

cant afford superiority complex, bring it down, always prepared, or agile engagement

have to drop at least one

[somber adder]

Just slap a bolter on there

Works with everything

[trim tiger]

no exe stance

[somber adder]

And?

Bolter is so strong it doesn't need specific things to work

[trim tiger]

i am unsure of the bps without exe stance

[slow spade]

"cant afford happiness" UwU

I'm not, the God Emperor totally had those votes

3rd party win one day

[fading yarrow]

Ukraine had Trump on a "kill list" apparently

Wait a second, I'm not sure politics are allowed here iirc

[trim tiger]

<@&735928989146939404> can we ban this guy

[somber adder]

Snap their neck

[slow spade]

its not

[somber adder]

Bait used to be believable

[tired ember]

Yes in fact, we can.

[trim tiger]

thank u

[fading yarrow]

Anyway, just helped a random get the Excise Vault penance for slotting all three samples at the same time

[last pewter]

ofc its a Night Lord

[slow spade]

Night Lord name -> not sneaky at all

smh

[fading yarrow]

Zero VC, just pure stealth vet to stealth vet communication

[trim tiger]

what is a Night Lord

[somber adder]

Good shit mods, no questions asked is

[slow spade]

chaos space marine chapter

they're not the "nicest" chapter

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[trim tiger]

so theyre racist got it

[fading yarrow]

Not exactly

[slow spade]

not really?

[fading yarrow]

You know the Boltons from Game of Thrones?

[slow spade]

they're actually quite equal in their treatment

[trim tiger]

YES

I LOVE THEM I HATE THEM

[fading yarrow]

Imagine them turned up to 11

[tired ember]

Chaos space marine chapter most well known for their enjoyment of flaying. google at your own peril

[trim tiger]

so much skin

[trim tiger]

SKIN SKIN SKIN

[slow spade]

they're also a pain in the ass to use in Unification mod

[split grove]

konrad kurze

[somber adder]

Average 40k edgelord seeks to kill their resentment for their own life by outraging people on the internet, more news at 11

[hearty panther]

ugh, theyre always playing this newsstory

[slow spade]

preferable to rping as a Nightlord UwU

[tawny badger]

night lords when they see an unattended baby

https://tenor.com/view/night-lord-warhammer-40k-space-marine-jamiroquai-virtual-insanity-gif-5727239661190188429

[fading yarrow]

Night Lords when I tell them to shower in soap and water instead of the blood of non-combatant children (they still don't understand this isn't what the Emperor wanted)

[tawny badger]

same idea

[slow spade]

I like to think the Night Lords aren't even chaos

that's just how they act as Loyalists UwU

[broken spade]

haven't ran recon in ages. What are your recon builds?

[earnest bone]

voc/stealth (to spice things up) weapon specs with shocktrooper

kraks or smokes, you can go frags, but that gonna be taxing on points, leaving you without shocktrooper

its manageable

[uncut pebble]

Recons need onslaught.

[earnest bone]

I dropped onslaught from all builds

can just knife/rashad/ds2-4/shovel

[fading yarrow]

I mean
That is how they acted as Loyalists when Konrad replaced all the Terran-born VIIIth Legion with Nostramo-born thieves, rapists and murderers

[uncut pebble]

Ideally kraks > kill team/close and kill > voc/infiltrate > pick up onslaught.

You can get away with going keystoneless.

But focus target will help your damage immensely.

[earnest bone]

would be nice if you could just branch off to onslaught from melee tree

without paying 2 tax points

one of which is entirely useless

[uncut pebble]

If you go through kill team and voc you'll save some points to pick up shock trooper.

[tawny badger]

you are going to get +25% suppression on your melee vet and you are going to LIKE IT

[nova heron]

Best shovel?

[stoic basalt]

for the power sword is the dump stat finesse or mobility?

[hollow ibex]

cleave targets or mobility is dump stat

you don't ever dump finesse

[narrow frost]

Depends on how you are using it, for general use, try the mark 1. For single target anti armor, try 7 or 3

[hollow ibex]

VII is the good folding one, don't use III

[narrow frost]

Ahh

[vapid nacelle]

guys

I think I have a new argument for being the worst veteran player

I lost an auric maelstrom mission so quickly that scoreboard mod says I lost in the mourningstar on malice

[stoic basalt]

same question for the autogun, whats the dump stat on that?

[narrow frost]

Mobility since it doesn't affect damage

[stoic basalt]

thank ya

[atomic zephyr]

man double barrel is so funky
does incredibly damage up close but I feel so useless when there’s a line of gunners

[arctic rampart]

why double barrel instead of boltgun tho?

[charred finch]

because cool

[arctic rampart]

boltgun is cooler, agreed.

[nova heron]

The DB is fun as hell

the bolter is slow and clunky

[somber adder]

Double Barrel is so much fun with weapon specialist

Only downside is you kinda just suffer from ranged enemies

[hollow ibex]

DB is a melee weapon that requires reloading

[somber adder]

Not with Weapon Specialist ;)

You can have two melee weapons with 0% reloading

[fossil basalt]

Suffering from range enemies?
Try Smoke Grenades today!

This post was sponsored by vent purge smoke grenades.

[wild vortex]

I swapped to autogun for WS, got sick of being pinned by gunner lines

Rashad/Vraks autogun = death machine at all ranges

[somber adder]

Yeah that's fair. DB with Weapon specialist isn't something I run a lot but when I pull it out it has the potential to be one of the most engaging builds for me

[hollow ibex]

But I want to fire doubleshot

[slow spade]

brb DMing Fatshark to change 3.3% ammo to 100% reloaded

[real shoal]

I want vet throwing knives!

[reef jewel]

I've maxed out bolter and I wanna know another good weapon to use, does anyone have any suggestions?

[umbral scaffold]

Deez nutz

[reef jewel]

W

[hollow ibex]

recon las is fun and very different from bolter

could be a good weapon to check out next

[reef jewel]

Ale

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-gauntlet-thanos-full-power-gif-13701353

Finally got my third +17% Toughness Curio

[atomic zephyr]

because i prefer bolt pistol and i already have a build for that

[analog yacht]

you should run a total of at least +34% hp for the sniper/pox breakpoint

[jovial sluice]

….. that would be awesome if this was actually real the 100% fully reloaded…..

[analog yacht]

+34% hp and a sniper res means it takes 3 sniper shots to kill and 4 pox bursters

or from 1 wound/half hp it takes 2 sniper shots or 2 pox bursters to kill

I just run 2x 21% so I can have more perks

but if you want to run stamina you kinda need to do 21% + 15% in talents/perks

[slow spade]

na snipers and bursters are a non-threat. Clearly you should run +3 wounds UwU

sponsored by Nurgle

[fading yarrow]

Played Damnation Hab Dreyko with the event modifier

[slow spade]

CBT

[fading yarrow]

We cleared, but I got downed and instantly died with no Corruption or missing Wounds(two total)
Is that an Event thing or did I just immediately eat an entire healthbar of damage as soon as I got downed

[regal smelt]

spent 2 million dockets on this today, 8 shots with 68% tr

actually stayed at the same thermal resistance when empowering this time

[stoic basalt]

whats the dump stat for the plasma gun?

[gilded rock]

I think it's between charge rate and thermal resistance

[regal smelt]

both charge rate and thermal resistance, need more than 68 thermal for 8 instead of 7 light shots and sometimes exactly 68 will work

[gilded rock]

That's a pretty good benchmark to have, learned something new today

[regal smelt]

charge rate is good but you want an 8th shot and dumping damage ammo or stopping power hits way harder than it does to other guns

especially ammo, that shit will give you just +2 mag size and 20 extra reserve bullets on every other gun, but having 0% ammo vs 100% on plasma is losing half your mag and reserve ammo

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent

https://youtu.be/wogWnFKmmvo?si=Dmx7P62Bi15UbIjC

[tall torrent]

just stop pinging me for these vids

I'm not gonna watch them

[orchid hemlock]

Do it

[tall torrent]

nah

I have no interest in watching ragebait

simply not worth my time

[orchid hemlock]

"the best Vet build" I don't think is rage bait it's just bait 😔

[tall torrent]

yea, no interest in watching bait all the same

[orchid hemlock]

He's serious

Which ig is worse 😭

[tall torrent]

don't ping me for this thx

[narrow frost]

dont make him tap the sign

"See veteran class pins for guide"

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tall torrent]

I have cooked up an extremely cursed EK build

[narrow frost]

oh no

which staff?

[tall torrent]

EK

[narrow frost]

ah

lol

how cursed

[tall torrent]

u decide

melee is rashad

[narrow frost]

soul drinker though?

just for the crit?

so max crit EK build

hmmm

[tall torrent]

toughness gain & crit

[narrow frost]

I ran this a few times but without soul drinker instead have Kinetic Deflecter

[tall torrent]

that's another good pick tbh

[copper cedar]

ullo vets

im wanting to play with the shock maul

[tall torrent]

cuz I realized 1 big problem with this build

[copper cedar]

is it worth?

[tall torrent]

rashad is so good I'm not using my staff enough so I don't have peril

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[copper cedar]

What perk/bless am i wanting?

[tall torrent]

skullcrusher + falter/high voltage

carapace & maniac

falter gives u rager stagger

[orchid hemlock]

Wait I just realized something.

Tanner loves getting crit rate on the DS, why?

He's the only person that does it

[tall torrent]

duelling sword?

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[tall torrent]

I don't run uncanny either

[orchid hemlock]

He gets 5% perk

[tall torrent]

oh that

prob not worth

it's not horrible tho

he doesn't understand how finesse works and that's ok

can't expect too much from DT yters

[copper cedar]

I assume the mks are similar enough as to not matter?

[tall torrent]

use III

[orchid hemlock]

He loves precog, maybe he is trying to get as much crit as possible to get more value out of it 🤔

[tall torrent]

riposte is enough imo

[copper cedar]

I assume its just spamming H1 >l2 rinse repeat?

for those big horde swings

[tall torrent]

for horde yes
H1 -> L4 (yes it chains into L4)

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but he is allergic to uncanny 😔

[copper cedar]

for single target is it the cattle prod? XXD

i love the cattle prod

"lmao get tazed"

[tall torrent]

uncanny is boring

[orchid hemlock]

DS is 💤

No Rashad, build is trash

[tall torrent]

duelling sword is cringe in general

[copper cedar]

its a very dull playstyle imo

special into H1 over and over is yawn

[jovial sluice]

......ok i gotta ask do y'all think that grims need a rework where the corruption effects only that person holding the grim and not the entire team?......

[tall torrent]

would be nice yea

but it's usually not a big deal

unless u build wack curios

[undone jungle]

grims are hardly a big enough deal imo

the bigger rework would be making them actually worth picking up

[lavish dove]

is the columnus (vraks) really better for vet than the recon las gun? may just be because my aim still needs improvement with the vraks but man i do a lot better with the recon

[tall torrent]

sidegrade, somewhat

[lavish dove]

it doesnt seem to do that much less dmg and the dot is so strong

i see

[orchid hemlock]

The IAGs have much better finesse damage.

Recon's value is the fact you can take shock trooper with it for extended uptime

[lavish dove]

oh didnt know it does more crit

[orchid hemlock]

No that's not what I said

[narrow frost]

Forgot to ask, but how well do you maintain WS stacks

[lavish dove]

isnt finesse crit on weakspot?

[orchid hemlock]

No, finesse is a damage modifyer that is calculated in weakspot, crit, and crit weakspot damage

[tall torrent]

aren't they supposed to be usually full

[orchid hemlock]

So what I mean is that the IAGs do more damage on weakspots and crit

[lavish dove]

i see i see

whelp ill try playing both

but it sure is harder to snipe stuff with the iag

[narrow frost]

I just find it annoying building without In Fire Reborn when I play with good players

since I dont get a chance to farm specials and elites, but I guess thats when I take 6 stacks

and ability spam

[tall torrent]

I realized smth for EK
building for non-crit 1 tap kind of sucks because it needs like every buff up ever to RNG 1 hit gunners
but if I have enough crit chance, I sorta just get more or less the same thing by RNG

[narrow frost]

Yeah

cause its like 2 non crit all the time

[orchid hemlock]

The IAGs in general have better burst damage, recons have better sustained damage due to their high uptime without needing to reload.

[narrow frost]

or 1 crit sometimes

[tall torrent]

yea it only reliably 1 taps shotgunners

[arctic rampart]

you could try IAG mk1 and some custom crosshairs

[tall torrent]

it's like, the exact same breakpoint problem as XIV revolver

[narrow frost]

dont shame my revolver 😔

it tries

[tall torrent]

so I just don't bother with non-crit breakpoints on it anymore

63.5~68.5% crit chance in combat

that's roughly 2 crits out of 3 casts

[fading yarrow]

Does Purge the Heretic only count personal kills or does it count total kills in a match?

[tall torrent]

only personal

[fading yarrow]

Dang

[jovial sluice]

Maybe so still those when they do get picked up it’s annoying to someone like myself and anyone else who running 2 bars of wounds

[tall torrent]

how much health do u have

[narrow frost]

grims do flat damage

so more hp means less meaningful grim damage

[jovial sluice]

Man you helped me make my curios remember

[tall torrent]

if u have >200 health, getting 1 grim is not a huge deal most of the time

unless ur taking a lot of chip dmg from other enemies

[jovial sluice]

It was 2 grims that were picked up and I was taking chip damage

Also it’s 210 HP

[tall torrent]

oh

if u have 2 grims then u speedrun

also, most of the time

the person that takes grim is not very good

and will die if left to his own devices

[fading yarrow]

+25% extra damage to Infested and Monstrosities while holding a Grimoire to counterbalance missing health
+50% while holding both Grims

[tall torrent]

usually if there're grims available and we're >halfway through I might consider picking up one if team isn't struggling too hard

cuz it's just free money

[jovial sluice]

This may seem abit sour puss of me but if the teammate who has the grim gets downed I will refuse to pick them up

Also I get it’s free money but after that last mission and first time encountering someone picking up a grim

Hence my current reaction and salty attitude right now

[tall torrent]

usually it's not a big deal

if they can't stay alive to keep their grims then they shouldn't pick them up

this is not to say that u shouldn't try to revive them if u have the opportunity to (and ur not critically wounded)

[gilded rock]

I let grimmers die when they go down /j

[slow spade]

I ask if its ok to get Grim

[grim widget]

man yall the best

[slow spade]

who's spreading that slander? brb dming Fatshark about defamation

[jovial sluice]

i dont really compare to any of these rejects their the eilte

is there any point to this node

[gilded rock]

Compared to both nodes on its sides, not really imo

ESPECIALLY Iron Will

[fading yarrow]

Yeah, I know

[austere mica]

No

None at all

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ciaphas-cain-warhammer40k-gif-24974202

[tall torrent]

No

[fading yarrow]

Yes

[pure chasm]

hello veterans i want to try some new weapons but i have no idea what to build
what weapons are fun for you

[fading yarrow]

Which weapons have you tried so far?

[pure chasm]

i already have the usual revolver, ciag, plasma, and recon

beyond that i dunno i usually play psyker so im a bit lost on the guns

[fading yarrow]

Give the Bolter a go

One moment;

[hollow ibex]

i second the Bolter

[pure chasm]

bolt pistol or spearhead boltgun (or both)

[undone jungle]

no not like that

actual monetary reward

that isn't pennies

[undone jungle]

bolt pistol is a revolver sidegrade, boltgun is in it's own category most closely comparable to plasma gun

I like bistol for weapon specialist lately because lethal proximity is extremely useful for that playstyle, meanwhile I use boltgun with focused target and exec stance for high burst damage

[fading yarrow]

Here you go

High damage support build using the Boltgun

[undone jungle]

you don't need suppression immunity imho

boltgun has low suppression, I run it without and scarcely find it problematic

[fading yarrow]

I run Suppression Immunity for easier team revives

[pure chasm]

interesting

[undone jungle]

???

what

[fading yarrow]

And also for easier Gunner takedowns

[undone jungle]

no no

explain

also Born Leader? Really?

cmon bruh

[slow spade]

get Redirect Fire instead of Focused Fire

[fading yarrow]

I'm very tempted to tell you to stick it where the Throne don't shine

[slow spade]

far better damage buff

[austere mica]

Competitive urge is also like

[slow spade]

as it lasts 10 sec and you don't need to wait for 5+ stacks for value

[austere mica]

Useless

[undone jungle]

is that fucking Competitive Urge

Brother.

what the Fuck

never cook again

[fading yarrow]

Now I'll tell you to stick it where the Throne don't shine; don't just spam condescending "whats" and "WTFs" and expect me to justify myself lol

[fading yarrow]

I prefer Focused Fire for the single target damage since it's a bossfight-focused loadout, and 9 times out of 10 (in my experience) there isn't a Specialist/Elite nearby when I'm fighting a boss to capitalize on Redirect Fire's buff

[tall torrent]

Born leader is actually not bad

[tall torrent]

Suppression immunity makes your aim not sway when getting shot at

This is not really applicable when reviving teammates

[fading yarrow]

It procs often enough for me that I find it invaluable for horde clearing in Damnation and Auric - especially when paired with Born Leader

[austere mica]

Born leader doesn’t affect horde clear in any way?

[hearty panther]

when ur a born leader u can lead ur team to clear the horde

duh

[fading yarrow]

I generate a lot of Toughness while clearing hordes; C Urge procs often enough that clearing the horde is fast; the faster kills let me feed enough Toughness to my team via BL to keep them alive while horde clearing

[ancient path]

what does the combat axe special do?

[tall torrent]

Rashad & achlys, don’t use special
Antax has a fast poke that does a lot of stagger (can open bulwark, stagger crusher & mutant on weakspot hit)

[ancient path]

coo ty

[tall torrent]

I have stagger breakpoints and general weapon info listed in my guide

[vapid nacelle]

what is veteran's starter weapons

[ancient path]

just tryna figure out a good weap to compliment my autogun

without going krak so im lookin for somethin that owns crushers

[fading yarrow]

Infantry Lasgun and Sapper Shovel

[vapid nacelle]

do you know which ones specifically

[uncut pebble]

Specifically the non folding shovel and the green lasgun.

[vapid nacelle]

thank you

time to make a build with them

back to the veteran roots

[uncut pebble]

Non folding shovel fucks.

[vapid nacelle]

I forget what does it do again

[uncut pebble]

The special is like taxe special.

[vapid nacelle]

ye

isn't it high stagger

or smth

[fading yarrow]

Kantrael Mk VII and Munitorum Mk I, respectively

[uncut pebble]

You poke with it and it does big stagger.

[ancient path]

playing john warhammer

[vapid nacelle]

have to make sure I use the core abilities too

frag grenade survivalist exe stance

[fading yarrow]

I wouldn't recommend Survivalist for weapons with a high ammo capacity and reserve

[tall torrent]

Shovel mk1
Infantry lasgun mk7

[austere mica]

Counterpoint, infinite ammo helbore

[vapid nacelle]

is this particular lasgun in need of shock trooper

[fading yarrow]

Yeah but for Infantry Lasgun?

[uncut pebble]

No.

[vapid nacelle]

back to roots is the idea

Veteran only had Survivalist as an aura in the past

[austere mica]

Also goofy borderline infinite ammo

[uncut pebble]

None of the ilas need shock trooper.

[vapid nacelle]

👍

[uncut pebble]

Especially if you're running survivalist.

[vapid nacelle]

Gotcha, thanks

ngl I don't think I've used an infantry lasgun in like a year lmao

[tall torrent]

No
But it helps because you’ll only have up to 36 shots between reloads and it’s usually 2HS kill

[arctic rampart]

You might run out of ammo currently with all these bosses in auric missions

especially with 2 gunluggers

survivalist could be a tech flex even if your weapon doesn't need it

[slow spade]

imagine needing ammo to kill bosses

[ancient path]

woe, krak grenade upon ye

[vapid nacelle]

not having Iron Will feels heretical

[slow spade]

your job is to kill bosses not take hits UwU

[vapid nacelle]

😭

[candid lance]

SHOULD I use this build with a bolt pistol and a chainsword

[slow spade]

dueling sword (uncanny) + gun with lots of damage blessings

"I fucking HATE bosses"

[green willow]

max grenades?

[slow spade]

as you should

[green willow]

i got presets for both krak and shredder

I went for weapons specialist though

[slow spade]

grenade keystone when?

[green willow]

because Im running a shotgun as well

[slow spade]

Focus Target buffs grenade damage

therefore its the only viable keystone

[green willow]

for one person though\

[slow spade]

Redirect Fire

[green willow]

ok since I have presets for both

gonna give it to my krakhead

[slow spade]

I should probably mention this build is 100% memes

[green willow]

no

[slow spade]

its not even 30/30 points lol

[green willow]

screw those slugs

[slow spade]

there's only 25/30 points spent in the build above

[green willow]

not a bad thing

should I pick up field improvisation

[slow spade]

a full 30/30 point krakhead build probably looks like this

[slow spade]

it makes your ammo boxes give grenades. Which means more grenades

[slow spade]

I'm not certain but I'm pretty sure krak grenades likely have 100% armor pen

though idk what weapons you're using

also grenades get your weapon blessings so something like Braced agri with Deathspitter + Fire Frenzy can boost its damage heavily

[green willow]

I have columnus infantry

[orchid hemlock]

frag grenade build lets go

here we go

[slow spade]

that should do, Dum Dum should affect grenades

[orchid hemlock]

time to dab on em

[slow spade]

"Hordes are a myth"

[orchid hemlock]

actually wait i got one that is better

now the question is what range weapon will I use 🤔

actually wait i got it

[slow spade]

the +15% Elite damage node also buffs grenades

[orchid hemlock]

whith shock trooper I can use the recons

[slow spade]

yeah that should work c:

[vapid nacelle]

Doesn't exe stance give you suppression immunity while it's active

[orchid hemlock]

hmm but ur right with SC i get more damage

ill just use the collumnus

[slow spade]

not "100%" but removes enough to not matter

[vapid nacelle]

gotcha

[slow spade]

yeah the main reason I didn't take it for the Krak build is because any elite you hit with a krak is 100% dead anyways

shredders would get value though

[orchid hemlock]

ig i dont need Twin Blast

[jovial sluice]

Heyo I got a question why does twin blast only go to the left or right?

[slow spade]

heresy

[slow spade]

because funny

[tame lodge]

It used to go to Narnia

[jovial sluice]

You sure that’s the proper reason

[tame lodge]

[vapid nacelle]

is there even a proper reason

[arctic rampart]

demolition stockpile, demolition team is like 95% as strong in nades though. grenadier at a 2 point investment is steep. y not 5% melee damage, reciprocity or "pick 2 points" instead to be more all-around? if you & the team are alive, you'll throw more nades total.

[vapid nacelle]

sounds like typical fatshark code to me

[jovial sluice]

I’m kinda curious about twin blast now

[vapid nacelle]

dude I started using demo team and it's so much fun in bursters/mutants/hounds

throwing 5 grenades and getting 3-5 back

[slow spade]

because it doesn't buff nades?

simple

[jovial sluice]

I remember reading about something to do with twin blasts

But I can’t remember what it was about

[slow spade]

probably that its a meme pick

shredders do benefit a lot when it procs though

[jovial sluice]

Ahhhh here it is

https://www.playdarktide.com/news/patch-14

Patch 14

See twin blast was change

[runic flower]

awful talent

[jovial sluice]

Knew I wasn’t going crazy

[candid lance]

Should u use this for my bolt pistol and chainsword build?

Well when I get darktide I mean

[vapid nacelle]

is Decimator's description just a lie

[jovial sluice]

Oi I ain’t crazy

[slow spade]

I never said you were

I only said the reason why is "because funny"

[tame lodge]

Still power?

[vapid nacelle]

it says "continuously chaining more than 2 attacks" but the buffs* start immediately on the first swing you throw out

assuming you hit something I mean

[tame lodge]

Yup
Seems to be stacking with the first hit

[uncut token]

I guess technically you’d only get bonus damage in the second hit so that tracks with description

[uncut pebble]

I'm gonna be real bro, this can be considered witch hunting, which is a rule.

May want to like not do that in the future.

[arctic rampart]

how fast do they fall off

[vapid nacelle]

I count like 2-2.5s

they fall off all at once or if you miss

[verbal burrow]

Heresy

Not that I have ever taken twinned blast but still

[fading yarrow]

Is Collateral or Stability the Recon's dump stat?

[vapid nacelle]

Collateral I think

[runic flower]

alright ill delete it

[inland glade]

Alright

Unlocked boltgun

[slow spade]

Collateral is

[inland glade]

How do I make this thing op?

[runic flower]

just wanted to gloat at a truly Exceptional person who should not be playing in aurics

[arctic rampart]

https://media.tenor.com/PtkRx0k5d-cAAAAM/matthew-mcconaughey-alright.gif

[slow spade]

bum rush Pinning Fire, every build will use it

[uncut pebble]

Oh trust me. I get it.

[runic flower]

you uh, dont
ha

[uncut pebble]

You should see the things me and Tintin find people running in aurics.

Mfw crit chance crit damage terrifying barrage voidstrike staff:

[slow spade]

Pinning Fire + Surgical/Puncture are the typical damage blessings for bolter imo

[runic flower]

wait nvm i thought you meant boltpistol

[tame lodge]

[arctic rampart]

I watched a few "clutch" videos where players do really well ressing 3 people over and over again. Like hell yeah nice plays. But then I thought "there's no way at least out of three wouldnt quit the second they go down.."

[runic flower]

ye, pinning fire and puncture are best
theres an argument to be made for cavalcade too

[uncut pebble]

Boltgun blessings depend heavily on what you're using it for.

[runic flower]

mobility is the dumpstat but i dont feel like rolling for better stats

unyielding for bosses and flak for maulers, anything else is a non-issue

[inland glade]

Alright

Question

What is a dump stat? Can you control what stat is increased more than others?

I've heard this a couple times noe

[uncut pebble]

Dump stats are the least impactful stats.

[runic flower]

a dump stat is the stat that you need the least yea

[green willow]

how much does the vigiland autogun pierce trash

[inland glade]

Ah

[uncut pebble]

Mobility, defences, etc are dump stats because their effects between 60-80% are minimal.

[runic flower]

you roll for dump stats by buying weapons at the armory until you find the best one

[uncut pebble]

You can't exactly control it because all weapons have their stat caps predetermined.

So all you can do is just roll at Brunt until the cap for your desired dump is 60.

[orchid hemlock]

since wave clearing isn't a problem I would rather use a DS

also, BP is kinda wasted on FT, you would usually run it with WS to get those nice crit proc and synergy with the melee weapon

but bear in mind this is kinda a troll build, im wasting a lot of talent points for shit like grenedier, tinkerer, and twins

[verbal burrow]

Everything at 80% except Mobility.

[molten hound]

is decapitator any good on rashad

[verbal burrow]

It is interesting to me, but all the number crunchers hate anything that isn't Brutal Momentum + Headtaker

[molten hound]

is headtaker more value than deci?

[verbal burrow]

According to them, yes, though I'd be really interested in seeing a comparison involving purely headshots