veteran-class

[placid portal]

I wonder helbore performance if it was just slow fire rate without windup and small mag size

Or singleshot like a laslock

Make it a real marksman gun or somethin

[dry cloak]

It has smaller mag buy virtue of eating more ammo

Also make the windup automatic

And not manual

[placid portal]

Automatic? As in holding it just auto release on max gauge?
I dont get it

[hallow drift]

You wonder how they actually caught anything until you remember the HL2 box art showed that the tongue was prehensile

[tall torrent]

Give it plasma’s pre-fire delay instead of manual partial charge

[dry cloak]

Yes

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

Full auto mod can do that, but it plays kinda bad

[dry cloak]

Im talking unmodded here

[placid portal]

Not sure sometimes i want to hold fire because usually enemies die or sudden flinching from enemies throw off aim

Need to adjust on the fly

[supple stag]

@tall torrent may I ask you for a bolter exe stance talent setup?

I gotta finally try that thing out

[dry cloak]

The thing is i want the charge that you hold to charge, charge it self and stay charged. It would still be single fire

So you only release the shot

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword 9
Flak + maniac
Deathblow + headtaker

Boltgun
Flak + maniac
Pinning fire + puncture

Twinned blast & rending strikes are optional
Could grab marksman (left side red node) instead, helps 3 headshot crusher & better boss dps
Target down also not bad, could take field improvisation too if u really like it
Optionally, take +5% move speed (top right) instead of +1 stamina (top middle)
Deadshot is not worth it

[mighty anvil]

I just came back from pre itemization patch, was VoC nerfed?

[dry cloak]

No

[supple stag]

Many thanks, Cat with a veggie on it's head

[placid portal]

Munitorum cap is best hat imo

[tall torrent]

Basically, play it like Gunlugger 2

[dry cloak]

Kickback gunlugger

[supple stag]

Never played ogryn that way, I'll see for myself

I may adjust it a little, will see

[tall torrent]

Ok then the tldr is
Melee things you don’t want to shoot
Shoot at big elite waves & specialists

Don’t be afraid to drop exe stance if the situation calls for it, it’s better to draw melee and not get hit than to keep exe stance up and hit 1 more guy

And get used to meleeing ranged horde enemies

[supple stag]

I play melee vet usually, not a big deal

If anything I'll have to get used to more shooting

[tall torrent]

Use grenades to make space
Twinned blast is surprisingly fun

[languid estuary]

how shit is this

[tall torrent]

Very ?

No grenade regen

What’s this for

[supple stag]

Grenade Regen is a must for Vet imo

[dry cloak]

I mean if you dont die

[languid estuary]

o i forgot to click it lmao

[languid estuary]

boltgun/whatever melee

[tall torrent]

VoC is playable for Boltgun
But exe stance is the real deal (might be the highest damage veteran build?)

[supple stag]

@tall torrent is twin blast, grenade tinkerer a huge overkill for shredders? Out of curiosity

[tall torrent]

I don’t like going out of my way for grenade tinkerer so I usually don’t take it

Twinned blast is very funny

[dry cloak]

@tall torrent bistol for exe stance is surgical deadly accurate?

[tall torrent]

No, lethal prox + puncture

[supple stag]

I usually run kraks so I kinda grab tinkerer if I can

[dry cloak]

Weird

[tall torrent]

Because I’m not a fan of relying on exe stance for major breakpoints like gunners & flamers

If I have to pop a flamer outside of exe stance, I still want that mf dead in 1 headshot

Same goes for gunner

[dry cloak]

Deadly acurate is double crits damage

[jovial sluice]

heyo i got a question

[mighty anvil]

Any1 else have this NumericUI glitch with zeros shown for teammates?

[supple stag]

Graia VII gives me that painful vibe

As much as I love that gun

[tribal tangle]

numericUIs been bugging for a hot minute, basically since the weapon update

[dry cloak]

You mean columnus 7

[tall torrent]

Massively overkill most things on Crit weakspot hit, yea

[supple stag]

I mean vigilant auto

[jovial sluice]

so earlier i seen someone had a mod called for the vaccum capsule

[dry cloak]

A

[jovial sluice]

whats that about?

[dry cloak]

Fair

[tall torrent]

I think there’s been an update in nexus mods? Is this the newest version

[tribal tangle]

vacuum capsule mod technically isnt allowed

technically

[tall torrent]

It’s brain rot

[supple stag]

I only really run Agri if we talk about Infantry Autos

[dry cloak]

For iags i run columnus 7

Because its nice balance

[mighty anvil]

Yeah I just updated it yesterday version 1.5.3

[jovial sluice]

ahhh ok thank you for warning me :} i dont wanna get in trouble

[tall torrent]

Maybe just bugged then

[tall torrent]

That’s Columnus 8 (VIII)

[dry cloak]

Aye my bad

[supple stag]

Agri feels like a battle rifle, I love it

[tall torrent]

One day I will start referring to weapons in abbreviations

V5 auto
C8 auto

R3 axe

[dry cloak]

Agri is nice. Have you tried graia brauto?

[supple stag]

Wait for Fartshark to change names again

[supple stag]

I did, on Zealot mainly, fun lil sprayer

[dry cloak]

Dont give them ideas

[tall torrent]

Actually imma do that today

[dry cloak]

Try it with inoxerable jidgmebt and blue stimm

In psykhanium

[supple stag]

I may consider

[dry cloak]

Then you turn into a10 warthog

[frank basin]

my favorites

[supple stag]

Do I have resources to make a heavy sword for a Vet

[frank basin]

do you want grind the resources?

[dry cloak]

Psword or catachan will do fine

[supple stag]

I spent so much on grinding ogryn masteries

[frank basin]

do other class then

[supple stag]

Can't be bothered to play the slab

[narrow frost]

Too busy on VT

[dry cloak]

But but OGRYNS DA BEST

[frank basin]

the slab, IT'S A SHIELD

[supple stag]

Also that, yes

[frank basin]

Still play VT2?

[supple stag]

Always

I'll just make the build and go sleep

Nightshifts are vile

[dry cloak]

Well gonna pull out my thammer today and play some event

[frank basin]

gn

[tall torrent]

K2b, K7, K9
HB3a, HB4, HB5
RC6c, RC12, RC14
A2, K10
A1I, V5I, C8I
V2B, G4B, A8B
C3V, G7V, A9V
AP
BG
BP
RV2a, RV14
SG6, SG7, SG9
DB
M35

Yes yes

Totally not confusing at all

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-rodent-vermintide-vermintide2-skaven-gif-20147931

so he's the skaven

[placid portal]

Wot in gruttin ell is zat

[tall torrent]

Abbreviations for weapons

[supple stag]

you vile creature

[covert moat]

how would i go about getting the scoreboard mod thing?

[tall torrent]

It’s actually completely readable

[supple stag]

Yeah it is, I agree

[tall torrent]

I’ll be using it then

[supple stag]

If someone a bit more clueless comes for tips, oh well

[tall torrent]

Nexus mods

[covert moat]

?

never used it

is it a site?

[supple stag]

yes

[tall torrent]

Go to nexusmods website, make an account, search WH40k Darktide

You’ll need to do some modding prep work to have ur game be able to run mods

[covert moat]

?

modding prep?

[tall torrent]

I will now introduce the melee weapons’ abbreviations

[supple stag]

I'm gonna run psword for this, I am a bit uhh, light on money

[tall torrent]

R3X, A5X, A8X
TX2, TX4, TX7
O4, O12
SM1a, SM3
CB3, CB6
CS4, CS13g
DC1, DC4, DC7
HS6, HS7, HS9
DS2, DS4, DS5
PS3, PS6
SV1, SV3, SV7

[supple stag]

Totally readable

[mighty anvil]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22

[jovial sluice]

what in the actual sam hell is this tom foolery

[tall torrent]

You’ll need to download some stuff before adding scoreboard to mod list

[covert moat]

oh so the framework and shit?

[tall torrent]

Melee weapons’ abbreviations

[tall torrent]

Mod loader, modding framework

[covert moat]

ah

[frank basin]

Need a merc work with you?

[tall torrent]

You’ll also need smth called “animation events” for scoreboard

It helps scoreboard run smoothly

[supple stag]

Later maybe, right now I'ma head to sleep

[tall torrent]

I can try to abbreviate other classes’ weapons too

[frank basin]

okay, good night then

[covert moat]

gotcha, ill probs talk to my buddy who runs mods help me set it up, its late af here lol

[jovial sluice]

does the scoreboard make people "toxic"

[gilded wraith]

Try to remember to clear your score cache every week or so.

[frank basin]

that's quite mundane task

there' should be option auto clear cache

[gilded wraith]

Being toxic makes people toxic. Scoreboard just gives them ammo they think they understand.

[tall torrent]

Not inherently

[radiant chasm]

I think there should be a personal scoreboard

Only for the player post match

[gilded wraith]

Great for evaluating your own progress in the game though.

[frank basin]

scoreboard for personally of your performaces

[radiant chasm]

Like literally post end screen even to minimize toxicity

[grand perch]

the current event can get frustrating when you consistently get beast of nurgle's aggro, only for all teammates to follow you in your footsteps instead of flanking the bloody thing

[supple stag]

scoreboard or no toxic people will be toxic

[radiant chasm]

So people cant do the ow1 “i got gold damage guys trust”

[supple stag]

scoreboard just gives them extra rashuns for such tasks

[gilded wraith]

I kind of want to try and all melee build with a helbore with the hot shot blessing. Maybe a Mk4 Taxe.

[mighty anvil]

Auric makes people toxic and ego.

[junior needle]

This flickering is new

[frank basin]

hello soldier 69

long time

[junior needle]

[frank basin]

i remember you were knowledgable on weapon, then the cauliflower head cat take over it.

[tall torrent]

Check ur rtxgi scale in settings config

[covert moat]

thats exactly why i want to see it. i dont want to over mod like 90% of the auric players (with respect to them of course)

[junior needle]

I did not see that in my settings

[tall torrent]

Settings config file

[junior needle]

However changing global illumination from off to low fixed it

[tall torrent]

Not in-game settings

[frank basin]

the file config

i never know where it locate it

that stuff where my friend helped me trying get my game run smoother frame

[junior needle]

I'll check it later

Thanks for the direction

[gilded wraith]

Does hot-shot still boost melee cleave?

[tall torrent]

I think so

It’s %hit mass reduction

Not quite the same thing

Perfect strike & sunder are also hit mass reduction but since they apply to the full hit I just write x4 cleave, easier to understand

Hotshot is x0.5 mass if weakspot hit

Which means it’s not really 2x cleave because you can hit 2nd target in body, which it won’t apply to

[gilded wraith]

Hmmm, probably not meta. Think I'll try it with a few tactical axes.

[split grove]

is the reroll for plasma still annoying?

I've finally rolled all the other guns

[gilded wraith]

I lost a perfect one yesterday when I leveled it up.

[tall torrent]

It’s still the hardest gun in the game to perfect roll

[split grove]

2 69% charge rates but ammo and stopping power 70%

time to farm another 1 mil

[frank basin]

life could be nightmare

[storm sierra]

Anybody has some good build for auric, veterān with double barrel shotty and reload on kill so i can spam it

[jovial sluice]

1 hp and a dream

[junior grail]

Go Gary Go!

[merry coral]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1b6648-4968-4b00-a3b8-4d1883cffd95/kharns-saltzpyre-vet-carry-clutch-auric-maelstrom

You can adjust a bit some skills but that's pretty much what you want

[rigid schooner]

for the devil's claw, who here prefers shred, or savage sweep?

[tawny timber]

when expect knife nerf

[merry coral]

Why expect knife nerf

[grand perch]

Who expect knife nerf

[jade frost]

...what expect knife nerf

[fast sundial]

crippled leg

knife stuck in foot

not running so fast anymore

[jovial sluice]

wait was there a knife nerf?

[somber adder]

No

[spice ferry]

No nerfs! Just buffs! Buffs for president!

[somber adder]

Nah bolter and plasma can get a nerf

Stinky

[spice ferry]

Helldivers 2 taught us a lesson that nerfs are bad and kill player population:)

[grand perch]

Yeah, no fun allowed, nerf everything

[jovial sluice]

when were these buffs?

[spice ferry]

I still think that bolter with exe stance is miles weaker then recon las gun with shout.

Plasma is top. Can’t argue with that.

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-darktide-explode-warhammer-40k-gif-7567690485009069789

[merry coral]

Fair

[dry cloak]

any idea for a ranged zealot build with brautos?

[slim terrace]

i have achieve purity seals

yay

[sick sluice]

its so nice, i wish it had 2 gloves instead of just one tho 🥴

[slim terrace]

for real

i really want this outfit tho

[jovial sluice]

....the shovel be putting in some work.....

[slim terrace]

i have the mask

[sick sluice]

yeah thats a good top, i havent bought much from the store but that was one of them

[slim terrace]

might have a lack of purity seals, but the black and gold with the skull goes hard

[sick sluice]

yea

i think its sick paired with the armageddon helm

the non camo one

[merry coral]

same

[sick sluice]

psykers would be the ones to do the one on, one off glove crap, haha

[jovial sluice]

pain

[merry coral]

is it tho

[slim terrace]

im loving it

[sick sluice]

the first run i did, i didnt like it, every other run ive done its been awesome

[slim terrace]

i took a level 3 through it

it was great XD

they did better then expected

[merry coral]

Everyone is running hammer and kraks, slug are melting, so it's alright

[slim terrace]

knife + recon lasgun

[slim terrace]

and plasma + axe

[jovial sluice]

dont get me wrong its fun but heck sooooo many beasts

[merry coral]

eh

[sick sluice]

the worst spawn rate i had was two at once, then one right after, just me and an ogryn

[merry coral]

I would have prefered ogryn spam tho

Love fighting those

[sick sluice]

i think ive been lucky with the randoms ive been rolling with

[jovial sluice]

i've had not 1 not 2 but 4 beasts show up

last match

[sick sluice]

at once? im interested to see what the health bars look like aha

[jovial sluice]

its not pretty even shouted over the mic "give my teammate back you bastard"

[merry coral]

hahaha

vore

[jovial sluice]

it was a psyker as well no way am i letting them take my teammate

[slim terrace]

pro tip, if you really hate someone, AP foam their car.

nothing harmful, just expanding foam

[sick sluice]

i read AP as armour piercing, always

armour piercing foam, nice

[slim terrace]

lmao

thatd be crazy

"fuck your armor, FOAM"

[sick sluice]

expanding foam that dissolves armour

hmmm

[dawn garnet]

this dude cant catch a break

[split grove]

is this the blessings

or run uncanny instead of riposte

[sick sluice]

i heard riposte/thrust, or precog/thrust

i too would like to know the penultimate

[dreamy spade]

Agile is not necessary if you use dodges correctly

[split grove]

thrust?

hm

[idle swallow]

If I don't have crit talents I usually just do uncanny/precog on DS but thrust works if you want to try and reach funny one hit breakpoints

[split grove]

i have crit talents

[jovial sluice]

i done it

Completed this event

[merry coral]

I usually run riposte uncanny on duelist sword

But thrust is good also

[sick sluice]

nice! i think the frame could be more wet, slimier,

i got 2 more to do, i do like the event tho

[jovial sluice]

I think I’ve seen enough tentacles for a life time

[merry coral]

Is there less slugs on easier difficulties ? I m curious

[jovial sluice]

Not sure

All I know is I’ve seen my fair share of tentacles and teammates getting eaten by those damn beasts which made me desperate to rescue them

[merry coral]

Teammates being eaten is free DPS eheh

[jovial sluice]

Sure is I’ll admit that but as someone who likes seeing his teammates standing and is very passionate team player

I’ll put myself teammates before myself

[split grove]

what is THE fastest monstro clear on vet

[tame lodge]

If we go by the way timers work
There should be more room between BoN spawns

[jovial sluice]

I probably should mention this as well but I’m very grateful for you lot guiding me with my curio set up

218 toughness and I think it was 210 or 220 hp

Something along those lines

Just needed to have some confidence in myself with having only 2 wounds to work with

[runic topaz]

has anyone tried dicking around with the heavy sword? been trying it out but it just doesnt really feel like it does anything well

[frank basin]

I did on psyker is was funny

I manage kill mauler or crusher using Scrier gaze

[tame lodge]

Hordes, maniacs and "lesser" elites

The common blessings for mk9 is Deathblow Headtaker

[sacred spindle]

bolter magdump directly into the beast of nurgle off switch

[tropic abyss]

Cleave for days, needs damage boosts from skills/blessings
SP fucks ragers, they get so mad that you just hit them with the backside of the sword that they just stand there like idiots starting at you with their stupid face

[merry coral]

I love it on Zealot, not much on vet

[tropic abyss]

same

shovel is better

[merry coral]

I'm a knife addict

[tropic abyss]

don't talk to me or my kids ever again

[merry coral]

Hello

Not the backstab variant tho

[runic topaz]

thats what ive been feeling too, although im gonna be honest the shovel could do 0 damage/hit and i'd still take it since the donk sound you get when smacking poxwalkers in the face brings me unparalleled levels of joy

only thing that comes close is watching a rock come from offscreen and just fucking obliterate something im about to swing at

[tame lodge]

Shovel is good yes

But Heavy Sword has its quirks

So I would not say that shovel is better than Hsword

[runic topaz]

good chance it is just a skill issue on my part, will have a bit more of a play with it

[paper fable]

guys is this any good? i want to play the smoke grenade and felt like something like this could work
for the weapons i am playing power sword (scandar) and the spearhead boltgun

[tropic notch]

I’d go with voc and weapon specialist

[woeful ibex]

Soldiers, are blessings and perks decent?

[tropic notch]

Especially if you’re using the power sword

[paper fable]

isn't it a nice combo the smoke plus the executioner?

[paper fable]

i mean, i don't mind to change that

i can play other weapons

[tropic notch]

Well if you like exe stance but you’re build atm is very taxed

[tropic notch]

Weapon specialist gives the power sword more mobility

[paper fable]

wdym?

[tropic notch]

You’re points are too spread out a lot of them are in small nodes

[paper fable]

something like this is any better?

[tame lodge]

Surgical instead of Armourbane

[woeful ibex]

alright

[paper fable]

i don't feel like going weapon specialist cause i don't plan on swapping too much (may be a skill issue of mine)

[tame lodge]

It's the Mk4
Armor is nothing to it

[woeful ibex]

hows this?

[tame lodge]

Blessings are good
Now let me remember about the perks

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d70bf86-432b-487a-81b5-e08d9156167e/pw-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[woeful ibex]

alright

[tropic notch]

That’s how I would build pw

It’s a very aggressive vet

[paper fable]

pw stands for?

[tropic notch]

Power sword

Smokes to close distance with gunners is good

[paper fable]

i see, but i don't want to focus on the pw, i want to focus on the boltgun

that's why i wanted so many ranged nodes

[tropic notch]

Weapon specialist dose that

It gives you practically guaranteed critical

[paper fable]

so if i swap the combat shotgun with the spearhead

it works the same?

[tropic notch]

Yeah it should

I run it with plasma as well

[paper fable]

and if i wanted to focus on ranged only, would there be an option? or weapon specialist is just that op?

like, maybe picking up the shovel or idk

[tropic notch]

Well you can always pick exe stance but I weapons specialist is really good and voc is a life saver

I made sure to get nodes that give you damage on ability use

[paper fable]

but if i don't want to play weapon specialist, are other keystones good aswell?

[paper fable]

something like this

[tropic notch]

Yeah definitely focus target is really good

[frank basin]

There’s a lot of cat pfp in this server

[paper fable]

my cat is based

[slow spade]

Ping keystone is just very reliable

[tropic notch]

Weapon specialist reloads on weapon swap so it’s good to just pull out and snipe something

[slow spade]

it does nothing wrong but nothing fantastic

Marksman Focus is eh

wouldn't bother imo

[tropic notch]

Yeah I alway go focus target or WS

[paper fable]

would you reccomend any melee weapon for this?

[unborn ridge]

collateral isnt good on recon?

[slow spade]

its actively detrimental

[unborn ridge]

why so

[slow spade]

ideally you have 0% collateral

[slow spade]

Recon wants weakspots -> collateral increases stagger and suppression -> stagger and suppression makes them take cover or move around

[unborn ridge]

i see

[slow spade]

such is life with Recon

[unborn ridge]

is no keystone bolter good?

[slow spade]

there's no reason to not have one

but its usable

though the lack of damage from Focus Target makes me worried if it'd miss breakpoints

off the top of my head, not having Focus Target and Redirect Fire is roughly missing 15% damage

[dusky eagle]

Pretty new to the game but am at 30 now and wanna uograde a good plasma gun.
What is the best "dump stat" for the plasma in your opinion?
I am thinking thermal resistance or charge rate?

[slow spade]

there isn't one

all the stats are useful

its just a matter of what you're willing to lose

thermal resist and charge rate are the safest to drop

[vapid nacelle]

is this like.. a usable shock maul? obtained from hadron rng??

[unborn ridge]

is no keystone bolter good?

[wind grotto]

no keystone anything is fine but I like focus target for bolter

[slow spade]

just scroll up?

[frank basin]

I have a loadout run no keystone and it run fine

Some keystone suck

[wind grotto]

I don't use keystones in most of my builds for sure

[frank basin]

Not interest keystone for sure

[wind grotto]

I don't really think they're very good over more points in the rest of the tree most of the time

[frank basin]

Other class keystone did interest me

[wind grotto]

agree there

[frank basin]

Vet keystone kinda fumble

I think some people want it rework

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist and Ping are good picks

but Marksmen is lol

[wind grotto]

I think all 3 have a use but they're all pretty niche

[frank basin]

Need some ideal rework then

[wind grotto]

weapon spec is the only one i'd say is actually good because it only really needs one point

[frank basin]

WS is what fit commando

Or John wick build

[wind grotto]

melee or with two points in it you can just repeatedly crit fire one barrel of the double barrel shotgun

while it self reloads

[hollow ibex]

Nah FT it’s very good too though less fun

[frank basin]

Feel like make other shotgun not useful on WS

Db like only one very useful on WS

[tame lodge]

Stats wise yeah

[wind grotto]

nah it's good with other shotguns just because of the crit

[frank basin]

You sure?

Lawbringer manstopper make sense

Kantrael and agripinna not sure about it

[wind grotto]

I think it lets the slug pierce way more shit? and etc

[hollow ibex]

If you take a meme build yeah

[unborn ridge]

by keystone

i meant the last purple ones

xD

[wind grotto]

but I don't like focus target on most weapons, it's nice to bring more damage to bosses but most guns don't need it for breakpoints, and then you are investing points you could spend on better things in the tree imo

[slow spade]

yeah that's what we're all discussing

[unborn ridge]

ahh kk

[slow spade]

TLDR: Weapon Specialist and Focus Target are good picks for most builds

[frank basin]

Idk when they gonna reconsider on MF

[hollow ibex]

There’s so many BPs that’s it tends to matter. Also it’s literally the best positioned keystone in the tree

[frank basin]

Maybe indefinitely

[wind grotto]

yeah the only good thing about it is that you are very likely to be right above ft anyway

because the middle tree is insanely good

[faint beacon]

Stat wise yeah you want that

[wind grotto]

I don't mind marksman if i'm running a full auto accurate weapon but that sure is not the intended use of it lol

[slow spade]

but they do...

like Focus Target is useful specifically because it hits breakpoints

[wind grotto]

the only thing I like focus target for is it lets me hit breakpoints on long range targets if I miss the head

[frank basin]

I really want keystone that about bless the bullet and bigger magazine size

[wind grotto]

I want them to make exe stance fucking reload your gun again

[frank basin]

It be kinda like ogryn but different

[remote sonnet]

The burst autogun and Marksman work so well. You can run walk and shoot and enemies die like flies.

[frank basin]

That’s the feats from old skill tree long ago

[hollow ibex]

and even if you're not worried about BPs, it's a nearly constant damage boost anyway

[wind grotto]

yes that is what i'm saying

[slow spade]

na give Vet something unique as a keystone

[frank basin]

It called Sustained fire, reload on ability use

[wind grotto]

it's over a year old at this point

[slow spade]

grenade keystone when?

[wind grotto]

but I want it back

[frank basin]

That be demolition theme

[slow spade]

and it'd be cool

[frank basin]

The demoman

Give vet Grenade launcher

[slow spade]

the grenade spamming class doesn't get a grenade keystone :c

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-pipebomb-throw-you-gif-8675931137970734740

[wind grotto]

while a grenade tree would be cool I imagine they'd need to retool the nades for it

[frank basin]

Grenade kinda take over horde killing and stagger elite and special

[hollow ibex]

the grenade keystone is the four talents or so that you have to zigzag across the tree to get

[slow spade]

I mean people barely use Marksmen as it is

[slow spade]

Nurgle should have sent better troops

[frank basin]

Stronger blast resistance enemy

[slow spade]

"oops all void shields"

[frank basin]

“Oops all traitor captains”

[wind grotto]

i'd be down for an event thats like the current one but it throws one of the twins or a traitor captain at you constantly instead of a beast

that sounds very funny

[slow spade]

poxwalker horde -> scab captain horde

[frank basin]

The twin kinda hard to play on high difficulty just their health and shield
Beefy, not everyone gonna bring 1-2 shot bosses

[slow spade]

yeah they actually hit really hard

[frank basin]

Unless not dealing two them same time

That’s now why chaos marine are too stronger than twin.

[wind grotto]

thats why I said one of the twins

[frank basin]

As i remembered they wished

[slow spade]

I can take on Mortarion

send me at the Plague Stars

[wind grotto]

all the people that quote lore strength of shit about darktide do make me laugh though

[unborn ridge]

this

[wind grotto]

as 4 dudes walk in and kill just as effectively as a squad of space marines would anyway

[slow spade]

while they're not wrong, I just want new content at this point

send fucking Death Guard I don't care anymore

[frank basin]

Well that’s too bad the ogryn took vet job 😔

[wind grotto]

oh I think lore wise it's correct but like

lore wise our crew should die like

one or two hordes in

[slow spade]

you forget, we're named chars

[wind grotto]

instead of killing two thousand cultists etc etc

[slow spade]

only another named char can take us down

hence why the Twins is a big ass boss fight UwU

[frank basin]

Or pain in ass boss fight?

[slow spade]

that too

Nurgle should have invented a name generator for his troops

[wind grotto]

I only gave hard mode a few tries when it was new and never ended up beating hard mode damnation, really don't like the twin fight

it's not bad outside of hard mode but they sure made it way too much of a mess

[frank basin]

The only reason we die easily is they summon the minion is causing us to die easily as they also fight along side with minions.

[slow spade]

its a good fight but not something to do constantly

[unborn ridge]

yeah cant wait to die to the regular poxwalker ''Bob, the piss sniffer''

[wind grotto]

yeah I don't ever want to touch hard mode again because it's just like a histg constant level of specials coming in

[frank basin]

The minions is stronger than twins because Strength in numbers

Like 4 vs whole battalion specialist

[slow spade]

Nurgle would have destroyed Ultramar if they just had a name generator UwU

[frank basin]

Then the twins just cherry on top fight long side with it.

[slow spade]

"oh where'd my toughness go"

[unborn ridge]

btw how important is rending in

boltgun?

or superiority complex?

[frank basin]

Mccadoe The chapter spess murrie

[slow spade]

ONLY useful for carapace. Everything else still dies in 1-2 hits

[frank basin]

This one better

Rending strike not so much

[unborn ridge]

i wanna remove one of those

to get more reload speed

xD

[frank basin]

Use tac reload

[slow spade]

Rending Strike and Superiority COmplex also buff your melee

[unborn ridge]

already am

im thinking about volley adept

u reload so fast with that

[slow spade]

I use Volley Adept as well

[frank basin]

What’s volley adept?

I forgot

[slow spade]

idk what your melee is but I suggest dropping Rending Strike

[unborn ridge]

u get 30 more reload speed

[hollow ibex]

problem with volley atdept is that you have to go left side

[unborn ridge]

when u kill a special

[hollow ibex]

and long shot is a dead talent

[frank basin]

Oh the special and elite kill

Right then

[unborn ridge]

on the bolter?

[slow spade]

oh fuck I mixed them up then

[frank basin]

Yeah

[unborn ridge]

im using heavy sword

for horde

[slow spade]

Don't use Volley Adept then sorry

[hollow ibex]

on everything at this point

[slow spade]

Longshot is shit

[frank basin]

Long shot told isn’t good because is dmg base on far range

[hollow ibex]

just go tac reload

[slow spade]

Tactical Reload is better

[frank basin]

Tac reload when you have impulsive reloading

[slow spade]

ah, rending strikes helps on heavy sword

[unborn ridge]

but both reload buffs combined feel like ur on crack

well

sometimes while on exec stance

u dont have time to reload

[slow spade]

+0.6% damage at 13m +20% at 30m

[unborn ridge]

and keep the uptime

[hollow ibex]

if you're quick about it, tac reload will give you just enough time to sustain exec stance

but gotta be quick about it

[unborn ridge]

like realllly quick xD

[frank basin]

Getting 30m shot is like shooting a golf ball trying land in the hole

Most ranged weapon people shooting are close range

Medium range isn’t much just uncommon

[hearty panther]

https://youtu.be/dvqnixyv0Pk?si=RvGD4kWyOGfv0q9X

[frank basin]

Most maps places don’t have wide long place open space

[slow spade]

not even that, the enemies you would shoot that far out are 1-hit kill anyways

[hearty panther]

practice this with/without volley adept

and eventually you wont need it to maintain xstance after a reload

besides, we dont lose it for swapping to melee anymore. its not unusual that doing your reload in tiers and scoring a quick melee inbetween on a shooter will suffice to keep xstance maintained

that's with zero reload speed nodes, you can get it done in just under four seconds if you're genuinely frame perfect

under five is the goal though so you dont have to be literally perfect

[torn gorge]

when new weapons/marks ?

[frank basin]

Not yet

Fs would say not yet

They probably not under control bringing new weapon as GW control weapon directive as I think. Just my two cent

[jade aurora]

hey guys whats the dump stat on the dueling swords?

[hidden linden]

Hey, do you guys think that for a Bolgun Exe Stance build the middle tree is better than the left one? (you obv still take the ammo and Superiority Complex). Is there a "BiS" build somewhere by any chance?

[frank basin]

VoC too good can go with boltgun

Using marksman focus quite okay

If you land headshot goodly

Otherwise use focus target for single target damaging. Like crusher or bosses

[slow spade]

crit build bolter

Deadshot + Surgical

compensates the lack of damage from Exec stance

[frank basin]

What was dead shot again?

Oh I remember now

[slow spade]

+25% crit and reduced recoil but you use stam when aiming and firing

[frank basin]

Is the talent

[hollow ibex]

deadshit

[frank basin]

I thought dead shot is a blessing

[slow spade]

Bolter gets the good Surgical

0.2s per 10% crit

so you can get roughly 65% crit in the same time it would take for a plasma to fire

[hidden linden]

Do you by any chance have a talent build?

[frank basin]

Second blessing should be pinning fire or puncture (as your choices)

[slow spade]

Pinning Fire absolutely

you need the damage

[frank basin]

VoC if you want stay alive sacrifice some damages.

Exe stance if you want maximum damage output

Like on bosses

[hidden linden]

I try not to rely on VoC in boltgun builds atm

[frank basin]

With Focus target

Then you’ll play as glass cannon?

[hidden linden]

I mean you're still a veteran, hardly a glass cannon

[frank basin]

Either go test our marksman focus if you really good aiming

[slow spade]

here's what I use

the stam delay node is because I use Psword

[hidden linden]

thank you!

[slow spade]

hope it helps c:

oh shit

[frank basin]

You’re running VoC

Kamist don’t want voc rn

[hidden linden]

yeah everyone's running it T_T

[slow spade]

lmao I forgot the Deadshot

oh

I misunderstood

I thought Kamist was looking specifically for VoC lmao

[frank basin]

Kamist looking for Exe stance

So I say keystone is either focus target or marksman

[slow spade]

that's my fault for speedreading :c

[frank basin]

Is fine, I misread most time

[hidden linden]

Anyway, thank you for sharing guys ❤️

[frank basin]

You welcome

I think running WS on boltgun is a meme

[slow spade]

29/30 put that last point where you want

and adjust as needed

[frank basin]

Inspiring presence

[faint beacon]

Inspiring and not using VOC

[slow spade]

lol except there

[faint beacon]

Bold

[frank basin]

Just 10% toughness regen speed

[slow spade]

I'm not using Inspiring Presense in build?

[frank basin]

No I means the last point should be inspiring presence

For kek

[slow spade]

ah I was responding to Galeophobia

[frank basin]

I see

[slow spade]

yeah I replied to you here

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ghost-barrel-explode-fly-gif-10528166394804192796

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[somber adder]

That's ALOT OF STAMINA

[frank basin]

+10 stamina possible

[slow spade]

fuck running out of stamina UwU

[frank basin]

I need 20 second breathing make full stamina

[somber adder]

I'll just go to the toilet while I wait for my stamina to recharge after going for 3 1/2 marathons

[unborn ridge]

but a lot of times u dont aim with it

[hidden linden]

What do you guys think of this? Could you critique this one?

I took more reload speed in the beginning cause it feels really good on boltgun

[frank basin]

I guess you go for Volley adept for faster reload when you score lot elite and specialist. But hey watch this guy do the trick

[unborn ridge]

remove the ogryn thng

[frank basin]

“The bigger they are”

[unborn ridge]

put it on rending

yes

[frank basin]

Put on inspiring presence

[hidden linden]

sorry, which one's rending?

[unborn ridge]

middle , one of the last ones

[frank basin]

Above focus target node

[unborn ridge]

right above focus

[hidden linden]

rending strikes

okay, thank you!

[unborn ridge]

true

[frank basin]

What blessing you got on boltgun?

[hidden linden]

I'm trying to figure out which melee I like best with it, which is tough cause for some reason I hate Rashad and Dueling Sword

I'm guessing either knife or shovel

[frank basin]

Should shattering impact replace pinning fire

Or if you want keep it that’s your

Seem like this weapon is against crusher

I do mag dump on crusher when pinning fire

[hidden linden]

2 shotting crushers feels really nice

[frank basin]

Did you actually 2 shot crusher?

In psykhanium

[hidden linden]

yeah with crits

[frank basin]

Alright fine one

[hidden linden]

yeah just tried it, with the ability

[frank basin]

Did you know the collateral at 51% you can stagger bulwark

Shoot their shield they stagger

But never mind as you had the weapon already

[hidden linden]

yeah maybe I'll try it out later

do you have a fav melee weapon to pair with it?

[frank basin]

Download weapon config help your build out

[tall torrent]

Old news

[frank basin]

Tell Kamist then

What’s your update

[tall torrent]

Ever since they changed bulwark stagger breakpoint it’s been untrue

[frank basin]

I usually go chainaxe, powersword kinda low mobility, rashad combat axe most use on horde killing and crusher killer

[remote sonnet]

Which shovel model is the best?

[frank basin]

Dueling sword if you wanna like muttie

[hidden linden]

I thought chainaxe is kind of a meme, is it good?

[frank basin]

The mk12 push attack poke stagger mauler overhead attack and rager

Then crusher weakspot

[hidden linden]

Is it decent vs hordes?

[frank basin]

Horde killing is alright max stack on headtaker one shotting; with slaughter is nice bonus

[radiant chasm]

Mk1 or mk7

depending on whether you want to fold or not

[frank basin]

Chainsword if you wanna go weakest horde killing

[remote sonnet]

I mostly run mk1, but so many people disagree with me.

[hidden linden]

Carapace + Mutants right?

[frank basin]

I use flak and maniac

Sound like for ragers

[hidden linden]

yeah I recently leveled chainsword, feels alright

[remote sonnet]

I run Plasma + Shovel, don't see the point of the fold.

[frank basin]

I have mk13g

They run fine

I shred mutant with rev easily

And the horde is near good

Ahead of average

Not so great on armor target

Chainsword is flesh killer

Chainaxe is also flesh and armor killing

[hidden linden]

do you run this?

the blessings

[frank basin]

I need boot my computer check it

[hidden linden]

ah nvm then

[bronze breach]

Best revolver blessings?

[frank basin]

For that I might remember I run saveage sweep and rampage

[frank basin]

Hand cannon and surgical for zarona

[bronze breach]

Thank you

[hidden linden]

@frank basin chainaxe dump is mobility as always right?

[frank basin]

Yes

Is defences

[hidden linden]

So, defenses or mobiity?

[frank basin]

Defences is mobility

[hidden linden]

ah I see

[frank basin]

wait wait wait

there mobility beside defense?

[hidden linden]

yes

[frank basin]

alrigh then

i guess you can decide your own

[hidden linden]

just rolled this

[frank basin]

defences is block cost and sprint cost

[hidden linden]

I guess might as well

[frank basin]

looks like is more agile chainaxe style

yeah defence is push cost and sprint cost

keep it

[hidden linden]

thank you for the advice!

[frank basin]

[dreamy spade]

Depends if you lose a dodge or not

Dump mobility if you have max dodges from 60%

[ocean idol]

Is Infernus meme on recon?

heavy recon so good against hordes

[nimble holly]

Which recon lasgun?

[serene bough]

https://youtu.be/e_HTIlp3Y3Y?si=g6qiyfAXmhgS4Tj4

This is cute

[ocean idol]

as i said, heavy one

heavy = lowest rof

[frank basin]

Mark14

[ocean idol]

what

that is not funny at all

[serene bough]

I thought it was very cute

[ocean idol]

literally nothing happened

[serene bough]

Aren't you a bucket of sunshine

[lime gyro]

Power Saber when

[ocean idol]

Vrak IAG is funny with onslaught

[frank basin]

i just found out the trapper web my entire team through wall

[ocean idol]

skissue tb h

[frank basin]

i call hackper

wall hacking webbing

[torn gorge]

question is why did you not stab/nade her through the wall?

[worldly pulsar]

On a boltgun build, what would you reckon is more valuable:
A) Stamina regen boost, Longshot, and Volley Adept
or
B) One Motion, Tactical Relaod, and Always Prepared
?

[weak cape]

Does Get Back in the Fight grant stun immunity all the time, or only for 6 seconds when toughness reaches 0?

[tall torrent]

B. but you probably won't get much value out of WS for boltgun

[spark helm]

A is more easily felt, B feels better with a bolt pistol specifically but A is safer to feel good with.

[worldly pulsar]

Yeah, I kind of expect to more often than not get the reload speed bonus from Tactical Reload out of it and nothing else. Would one of the other keystones be better, or should I just avoid them altogether on bolter?

[tall torrent]

focus target is better

[worldly pulsar]

Sounds like a mixed bag either way. I do use WS on my bolt pistol build though.

[worldly pulsar]

So would I be better off taking Longshot, Volley Adept, and FT? If so, Redirect Fire is the best add-on if I've only got one point, yeah?

[spark helm]

Cool, you're familiar with that flow then. Boltgun kind of just isn't fast enough for ws to feel as nice as it could with boltgun. Main reason why focus target is so nice but that's also just because it's a whole ass ping bonus: information and benefits for killing said target.

[tall torrent]

no

u'd be better off taking one motion + tac reload + focus target + redirect fire

idk what build u made

[worldly pulsar]

That's clunky as hell, sorry.

[worldly pulsar]

Yeah, the boltgun swap feels pretty bad lol

[spark helm]

I was originally thinking swap speed also accounts for readying the weapon but I was very wrong. I only learned that from trying to use helbore and boltgun on ws and doubling down with right tree talents from the very beginning.

Yeesh is all I have to say fr.

rough

[tall torrent]

don't skip grenade regen

what melee are u running

[worldly pulsar]

Oh shit, good call. Right now I'm running a Mk1 shovel but I'm open to suggestions.

[spark helm]

How involved do you like your melee to be?

[worldly pulsar]

I run Branx on my ogryn, so I'm not bothered by complicated melee lol

[elder fiber]

drop attack speed and either stam regen or redirect fire to get nade regen

its nice with og shovel but you don't need attack speed for it

[tall torrent]

If u run a shovel u prob don’t need 5 points into right side

[tall torrent]

Nah, redirect fire matters

[frank basin]

there was mid horde she running through it, body blocking, nobody take it out. team was scattered, it was in small space area, She literally hit goldpot webbing entire team.

[worldly pulsar]

Well, if I'm not going right side that will cost me that +25 Toughness node, but it would make getting nade regen easy.

[elder fiber]

oh wait yeah I'm a bimbo, that's toughness not stam regen lol

yeah just drop those two then

[umbral parrot]

OH GOSH The new game mode sucks so much butt!

[hollow ibex]

i think it's fun

[umbral parrot]

I hate fighitng Beast of Nurgle.

[elder fiber]

I'm having a great time seeing some people just play fucking horribly vs burgle

[hollow ibex]

it's pretty trivial with bolter / kraks

[worldly pulsar]

Should I only drop those two on the right side, or should I drop the right side altogether and pick up Demo Team and something else?

In addition to regular nade regen, I mean

[lavish token]

Reminding me I have to upload the devs failing to fight them

[elder fiber]

god lmao

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

[elder fiber]

I was present for a 6 death game this morning and at least 4 of them were the same two people getting dissolved by burgle vore lmao

[hollow ibex]

were they devs?

[elder fiber]

idk but probs not

[worldly pulsar]

Hm. So dropping right side can get me Demo Stockpile, Demo Team, Keep Their Heads Down, and 10% TDR. Seems pretty worth it.

[shrewd flax]

Spearhead boltgun is so powerful

[frank basin]

already is

bolter in 40k is powerful weapon

[crude fiber]

Is the new mode just a mission modifier? I completely forgot there was something new

[hollow ibex]

yes

[frank basin]

the new modifier just increase boss spawn

[hollow ibex]

well and the tentacle thing

[frank basin]

it's a Beast of Nurgle

they coming*

[hollow ibex]

but yeah expect a lot of BONs lol

[crude fiber]

So monstrous maelstrom without the reduced health?

[frank basin]

yeah

[deep citrus]

Oh

Lame

[frank basin]

just boring boss fight BoN

[hollow ibex]

well they don't come from specialists

[frank basin]

but pain in ass do constantly

[hollow ibex]

they just spawn out of nowehre

[deep citrus]

I mean like

[frank basin]

you get BoN and POgryn

[deep citrus]

We did need more BoN

[frank basin]

mostly BoN

[hollow ibex]

you get normal boss spawns too

and then BON on top of that

it's pretty fun with an anti-boss build

otherwise, prepare to suffer

[deep citrus]

Need two BoN to make it fair

Does the veteran shout stun BoN?

[frank basin]

no

[deep citrus]

Sadge

[frank basin]

ik

the bull rush does stagger bon

[torn gorge]

are those tentacles a weakspot though? i literally 2 tapped a crusher with a ripper gun

[frank basin]

yeah

[deep citrus]

What

I thought it was the thing

On the thing

[frank basin]

is special enemy thing

[torn gorge]

that one went pop in no time

was getting ready to melee

felt kinda.. sad?

[frank basin]

i think the head is weakspot the tentacle just cosmetic

fs design the hitbox just head only

[torn gorge]

ye but does it change enemy property?

[frank basin]

tentacle get shoot through

[torn gorge]

like them having no armour at all

or something

otherwise it would not explain why i got that much damage without even can opener procced

[frank basin]

the ogryn with tentacle helmetless yes just flesh only

[torn gorge]

[frank basin]

now no need any debuff just shoot on their head and they die as boom

during this event

[torn gorge]

ye

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent

do you have that clip of the 2 shot on a crusher

with knife

[tall torrent]

That clip was 3 hit

[narrow frost]

3 hit mb

talking to someone about vet knife in vc

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1243454115519004722/CB6_3402dps.mp4?ex=672fad23&is=672e5ba3&hm=8c9890664ac2fa8e2f8754bca233bbea919044467b330995ae97fa97231293e0&

[narrow frost]

Thx

[narrow frost]

@obtuse swallow

[tall torrent]

This was recorded before they reversed hitmarker & weakspot damage display colors

[final hamlet]

only ranged kills seem to matter, even tho its not mentioned

[narrow frost]

when you get to max stacks, its any kills that count

[tall torrent]

it's all kills

[final hamlet]

Thast reliefing!

[spice wadi]

Bon bon oui oui

[hard cave]

what fucking build is this

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike + executor

[hard cave]

i don't remember what those blessings do

[faint beacon]

Evil fucked up build that kills crushers really quickly

[cobalt ingot]

Dumb question, what’s an easy way to do “make every shot count”?

[supple stag]

Combat or Double Barrel shotgun

[cobalt ingot]

Ah. Seen vids of people using revolver and just having 1 bullet

Figured I’d ask anyways

[fresh jungle]

charged shots with plasma imo

[blissful wharf]

Is the "Fire Down Range" penance broken as well? I am sniping enemies so far away they're hardly rendered in and it's still not counting

[tribal tangle]

@cobalt ingot if you see people reloading only one round with revolver, they're probably using crucian roulette which gives crit based on expended rounds

Not sure how good it is now, but it used to be pretty decent, although I think handcannon surgical is probably still better

[cobalt ingot]

Ah.

[flat prism]

Hi, im new to the game and i was trying to figure out a build for vet/bolter and i end up in games lantern wich has a lot of builds, but im not really sure if this is the site everyone uses, is it safe to assume the most popular build is the good/meta one?

[earnest bone]

it safe to assume the most popular build is the good/meta one?

absolutely not

there's a lot of troll builds that gets upvoted

there's an amazing vet guide in the pins (here)

but i forgot if there's builds there

check that one first

[flat prism]

The hammer one ?

[earnest bone]

yes

[flat prism]

okay, will check it, thanks

[tall torrent]

No, idk how to approach them yet

[hollow ibex]

anything wrong with just posting builds for now, and noting that the section is under construction? 🤔

[earnest bone]

yeah, it's more complex than zealot builds

[tall torrent]

I think I’m gonna approach them with build frameworks for breakpoints

Like
Here’s plasma
Here’re 2 ways to get plasma breakpoints
You’ll have XYZ amount of points after, which you can spend on XYZ

[earnest bone]

that should do

meanwhile Zealot
Here's your generic tknives/twbs route with chastise and IJ/Piety

now you have 2 points left

V - variety

[hollow ibex]

i have like 3 builds for zealot

and 10 for vet

[earnest bone]

i keep creating weirder and weirder grenade spam builds

i absolutely love veteran tree with how it is, aside from things like onslaught

in the inconvenient places

[tall torrent]

I have like
3

[hollow ibex]

meta slave smh

[earnest bone]

[tall torrent]

I play laspistol

[hollow ibex]

with rashad?

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

[tall torrent]

What do u think

[hollow ibex]

i'm honestly thinking of switching all my builds to be rashad-compatible

not having melee attack speed feels like ass in general

[tall torrent]

[orchid hemlock]

no

since the game has had about 5k players for the majority of its existence, and fatshark gives u no information on what the stats do unless you dig thru the files nor information from matches of other players, the "majority" of people have no idea what is or isn't strong

oh and u can finish the hardest game mode even with the weakest stats possible

[flat prism]

I see

lol

brainrot theory crafting is what it is for people making those builds then ?

and the shooting range ofc

[orchid hemlock]

well path and the people who made the guide literally had to dig into the files to figure out what everything actually does

half of the guide is literally explaining the context of every ability

and what they do

what they actually do

half the time, the descriptions are too vague or just straight up lie to you

[flat prism]

i was reading it, but i dont think it will make me do a full build unless i spend hours understanding everything in there

[orchid hemlock]

u can just ask what weapons u use here and we can give u one

[flat prism]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a4f4fdd-f4ef-4ea1-b7d6-71bf513e90d1/fuplaayz-bolter-veteran
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3ef6e0-33dc-4b42-9233-4e824434a6fc/mister-es-boltgun-sniper

i was looking for a bolter, since its so fun to use

i was looking at those 2 builds since they are new-ish and popular

[orchid hemlock]

yeah those look like ass 🤮

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d69293a-2b68-4cb2-b221-c5f5493fd880/bolt-deez-nutts?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

idk if this is "optimal" im still testing it

[flat prism]

will check it then c: thanks

i need to farm a little bit since i spend all resources building the ones i send xD

[hollow ibex]

yeah mine is pretty similar

though i go for MF memes

[buoyant thicket]

what is the dump stat for helbore lasgun?

charge rate?

[clear lantern]

depends on the helbore; one is already fast charging, so it'd be for that mark

[umbral scaffold]

Anti-Astartes build lmao

[indigo lark]

what are best blessings for a double barrel on a horde clear melee vet?

[hollow ibex]

manstopper/scattershot

[indigo lark]

ty!

[foggy wadi]

Whats a good set up ( tree ) for leveling up Helbore Lasgun and assault chainsword?

[jovial sluice]

How’s things rejects?

Also who do I need to thank for helping me with my curios

[idle swallow]

I didnt do anthing but Ill accept all the credit on their behalf

[ripe totem]

why does fatshark still hate deadshot

😦

[random cairn]

can someone tell me what does inact do ?

[tall torrent]

impact = stagger

[random cairn]

thank you

[shrewd flax]

isn't shredder grenades a bit under whelming?

[inland orchid]

in what aspect

[shrewd flax]

damage and explosion radius

whats the point of it in the end?

[inland orchid]

bleeds a small room without grenade tinkerer, explosion radius can be bigger via bolt pistol "Lethal proximity" blessing

[shrewd flax]

agaisnt a horde I guess but even there it does practically nothing, unless you are all alone and then it becomes a little bit useful

[inland orchid]

is a decent softener of alot of targets compared to the small area big dmg of kraks

[broken spade]

or throw 2 and kill most things

[inland orchid]

this is the reason i rock grenade regen ngl

[broken spade]

Bleed does more per stack at higher stack counts

[tall torrent]

throw 2

[broken spade]

so the bleed from 2 nades is a good amount of damage

[shrewd flax]

do you use them agaisnt any ennemy or only agaisnt horde of lesser enemies?

[tall torrent]

u throw when too many elites & specials to deal with

[shrewd flax]

I guess I should isntall the mod to see enemies hp bar

[tall torrent]

nah u don't need

[stuck gorge]

it takes damage from its current stack then loses 1 stack

[shrewd flax]

I mean to be convinced that the bleeding does actually something

[stuck gorge]

oh wait i read that wrong

[tall torrent]

go into meat grinder, throw grenades at enemies, see how much dmg they do

throw 2

[stuck gorge]

anyways still gonna leave that there

[jovial sluice]

@tall torrent sorry to ping you but i just wanted to say thank you for helping me with my curios i'm grateful

[tall torrent]

[sick marsh]

heavenly father... THANK YOU, I found one finally.

[worldly pulsar]

Stability. By the time your next shot is charged your sights will always have reset anyway.

[tall torrent]

Stability, always

[orchid hemlock]

Is there a decent hellbore build?

[worldly pulsar]

I have one I like, but I'm away from my PC at the moment

The guide in the pins tells you some must-have talents though

Surgical & Weight of Fire best blessings by a mile.

[orchid hemlock]

I assume it's similar to recon builds, but do u need determined?

[worldly pulsar]

I don't have it, but it's nice for QOL

[orchid hemlock]

I'm talking about talents BTW, i know the perks and blessings

[worldly pulsar]

It does build pretty similar to recon overall, though. Obviously it plays differently.

[sick marsh]

can understand half the dump is supposed to be charge rate and not ammo, but this ok?

[worldly pulsar]

Lower ammo sucks, but it's usable for sure IMO

Plasma is OP anyway, so you'll be fine