veteran-class

[earnest bone]

i think it could also replace the head

making it Las Plagos esque

[severe gale]

sniper res

just dodge

[faint beacon]

New event

Imagine anything with a tentacle is a Pseudo-Burster if you shoot it

[hearty panther]

oh hell yea thats a taxe skin

'combat axe' really threw me off

[midnight mesa]

Bro does not look good

[midnight totem]

Nurgle does that to ya

[midnight mesa]

Idk just take some cold meds

He'll be fine

[tall torrent]

no, but I like money

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/je-ne-suis-pas-radin-gif-12610730076118899182

[shadow dagger]

are you still gambling for plasma

[vapid nacelle]

first match using taxe, I still need to upgrade the thing but I like this lil guy a lot

my mob is like 32 so I only had 4 dodges and it felt terrible 😭

but everything else about it felt nice

[sick marsh]

what's the dumpstat for plasma gun?

[vapid nacelle]

it's like 69% charge rate 71% thermal resistance I think

I might have that flipped

[spice ferry]

U need 69% thermo and 71% charge.

[vapid nacelle]

yeah that

[nimble holly]

Any recommendations with the plasma gun?
I’m trying to find a good configuration

[somber adder]

Left click, win game

[spice ferry]

Flak + Unyelding
Blazing hot (+20 strength) + Gets hot (crit chance per heat)

[nimble holly]

Can i do something with the reload speed?

[spice ferry]

Yes. Learn to animation cancel or pick up the talent for faster reload after elite kill

[nimble holly]

Alright

Wait

Can i cancel the reload?

[spice ferry]

Its a 3 stage animation reload. u can cancel parts of each stage making it like 40% faster.

Its easier then it sounds 🙂

[nimble holly]

Ok

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t have any, refer to guide for specifics

[nimble holly]

Yep
It was easier

Now I have to do it in a match

[spice ferry]

Plasma is very ammo efficient so if you are not in a crazy maelstorm mission you will have time to reload anyway.

[nimble holly]

I usually reload when the gun is near critical (90% or something)

[spice ferry]

press X or special keybind to vent

[somber adder]

If you wanna use it optimally you want to be at high heat

So venting is the way yea

[nimble holly]

If i remember the venting deals damage

[somber adder]

Just toughness damage (unless you have none)

They made it bearable

[austere mica]

Like 10% toughness damage affected by TDR

[nimble holly]

And if you run out of toughness?

[austere mica]

It’s nothing

[spice ferry]

Ignore it 🙂 Venting is the way!

[somber adder]

It's really negligable damage

[austere mica]

They should increase it

A lot

[somber adder]

They should

Fuck plasma

Fuck bolter

[austere mica]

Venting that thing should be like VT venting

[somber adder]

Give me lasgun meta

[austere mica]

Very painful unless you prepare

[spice ferry]

Why bolter? Bolter is so weak after plasma...

[somber adder]

Bolter is insane wdym

[gritty mural]

plasma needs actual downsides

[spice ferry]

Recon lasgun is me second goto choice after plasma 🙂

[nimble holly]

Agree

My favorite is the Helbore

[gritty mural]

solution to lasguns would be to have shooters be more aggressive like in secrets of the machine gods launch

stronger weapons like bolter and plasma would run out of ammo more quicker from shooters being a bigger threat so guns like lasgun will be more reliable at picking them off

[austere mica]

Or just

[hollow ibex]

[austere mica]

Smokes

[nimble holly]

The lasguns have a ton of ammo in each mag

[austere mica]

And a speed melee

[gritty mural]

those are also solutions

[spice ferry]

i am trying to play with the big bolter and do not find it strong compared to plasma and recon lasgun.

maybe i still dont uderstand how to play with it.

[earnest bone]

bolter is definitely stronger

[somber adder]

Bolter trivializes 90% of the game

[earnest bone]

it can destroy both elite packs and bosses

[nimble holly]

I use the bolter with armored enemies

Or to kill snipers

[earnest bone]

and it doesnt give af about the type of its target

[nimble holly]

You can aim with it

[somber adder]

Plasma doesn't need aim though

[earnest bone]

they buffed bolter a lot this patch

it wasnt weak before

but now it's one of the top generalist weapons

[grand perch]

and yet, the cries for buffs were aplenty

[slow spade]

it was weak before, they just buffed the fuck out of it

[grand perch]

just let weapon be strong

[earnest bone]

it was strong, but just annoying af to use

that's a bit different

[nimble holly]

Yeah but its nice to have some zoom

[slow spade]

bolter and plasma are now just different ways of "1-tap people"

[minor kettle]

is it worth giving up field improv for onslaught on a columnus autogun build?

[earnest bone]

yes if your melee cant damage armor (crushers)

[somber adder]

I agree, but plasma's projectile hitbox is so massive that you can just aim in the general direction of that sniper 80 meters away and kill him

[severe gale]

basically only dclaw lol

[minor kettle]

it can t so i will, thank you!

im using battle axe

combat axe

[slow spade]

pretty sure combat axes are one of the best melee options vs crushers

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/vldl-viva-la-dirt-league-vldl-dnd-vldl-bodger-vldl-bodger-axe-gif-22883408

[slow spade]

you should be fine imo

[somber adder]

Onslaught is pretty mandatory on high rate of fire weapons if you want to do anything meaningful to crushers and bosses

[earnest bone]

after knifes and ds

[nimble holly]

I dont have a series so I play in my xbox one with cloud gaming

Sometimes I move the camera slightly and i end up turning 180°

[earnest bone]

at least cloud gaming works

[nimble holly]

Yep

[earnest bone]

hey, i was one of the testers of the first cloud gaming ever called ON LIVE in 2014 (its dead now)

and even that one was playable

at least for singleplayer

multiplayer was whack

[nimble holly]

2014?

[earnest bone]

or actually 2010

i forgot

[nimble holly]

[earnest bone]

since it was playstation 3 era, i guess it was 2010

yeah, 2010

cloud gaming improved a lot since then

[nimble holly]

I thought that cloud gaming was recent

Like 2020 or something

[earnest bone]

nope, its just was either too costly (high price subscription)

or too shitty

to talk about it

NVidia streaming service is one of the best

and i think its been around for many years now

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent what is better?

2 main hp curios

or

1 main hp curio and 3 hp perks?

[nimble holly]

I never used the axes, im more of powerswords and chainswords

[orchid hemlock]

chainswords are good into crushers? 🤔

[orchid hemlock]

onslaught

🤮

[slow spade]

not in my experience

they "work" at least

[orchid hemlock]

hang on crusher, can u wait 4 seconds for me?

[hollow ibex]

Wouldn’t say they are

[tall torrent]

2 main health for veteran imo
psyker has an easy 10% health talent so they're a bit less reliant on health curios, but going 2 health still helps

[severe gale]

no

except on zealot

[orchid hemlock]

is this because HP scales better as the mainstat than the perk?

fatshark needs to fix that smh

[faint beacon]

“B-but bloodletter”

No.

[tall torrent]

because I don't like having to spent 3 perks to get not even as much value as 1 main

3x 5% is 15%

one main is 21%

[orchid hemlock]

yeah thats what I mean

why is that lmao

fatshark cmon

[tall torrent]

and I like sprint efficiency on veteran

[slow spade]

Sprint eff x3 , Duck and Cover, both stam delay nodes, stam regenx3, BEx3

I LOVE STAMINA

[somber adder]

Pacifist loadout

[orchid hemlock]

what do u do for psyker then?

[tall torrent]

1 health 2 toughness

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-running-me-when-im-late-tom-hanks-gif-5144739

[hollow ibex]

You don’t take stam?

[severe gale]

bloodletter sucks

[faint beacon]

Yeah exactly

It’s fucking doodooshit

[slow spade]

I find rashad doesn't need stam too much

at most push attacks vs rager packs

dagger or Psword though? yeah take stam :p

[foggy wadi]

im leveling up these guns and im currently using the vigilant autogun. what are the better blessings to use on it?

[hollow ibex]

Oh I use pushes a lot as gunker because really can’t afford hits

On staffker might be OK without stamina curio though

[foggy wadi]

Are stagger blessings any good for the Vigilant Autoguns?

[slow spade]

oh for psyker, I thought the convo was for vet. My bad :c

[slow spade]

here's what the vet guide recommends

[broken spade]

i don't consider stam that useful for psyker either

[slow spade]

I find its information accurate so it should be fine to use while leveling as well

[floral hearth]

i feel like braced autoguns are far more based around stagger

Vigilants are DMRs made for accurately taking out targets asap

[tame lodge]

Nah

[foggy wadi]

headhunter is not an option

[tame lodge]

Plus you can stagger everything with the bash

Some enemies might need one or two good smacks to the face

[slow spade]

such is life, you can likely use what you have for most difficulties and pick up the blessings listed above later

[foggy wadi]

the gun does not have the option for head hunter

[faint beacon]

Hi I’ve been summoned

[slow spade]

oh

[faint beacon]

I saw the mere mention of Headhunter Autos/Vigilant Rifles

[slow spade]

strange, I don't think the vet guide would have such an easy to check mistake considering how detailed it is

[faint beacon]

For Vigilant Rifles right

[foggy wadi]

you know what... thats my bad.... i clicked the wrong gun

[faint beacon]

Headhunter is a blessing on them

Ah

[slow spade]

np it happens

[foggy wadi]

Opening salvo works well for Graia doesnt it

[slow spade]

they were wondering what blessings to take while they were leveling and I posted the Vigilant Rifles section for them

[slow spade]

for the first shot yes, but its normally not just "one" guy so the more consistent value from Headhunter blessing is preferred

it helps that Vigilants love weakspots so Headhunter + Vigilants is a great match to begin with

[faint beacon]

Opening Salvo is specifically for a Ghost build

I usually run Surgical outside of it

But the burst ones you typically do Headhunter just cause it’s easier Imo to rack up crits via hitting heads in bursts then aiming for X amount of time

It allows for a more aggressive playstyle

Surgical is typically geared towards a Sniper role

[foggy wadi]

this is what i have so far just to level the gun up

[faint beacon]

I’d say imo

Cause I main the Agri 9

Are you playing aggressive or passive

[foggy wadi]

aggressive but im not to much of a fan of the one shot taps

when i did run it. i ran out of ammo fast >_>

Should i just "get good" or not worry too much about it since im only leveling it.

[faint beacon]

I’d say run WS for one, and with the Agri 9 if you’re playing it aggressive like me

Headhunter Deadly Accurate

So one burst will drop specials pathetically easy if you click on their head

[foggy wadi]

WS?

sorry i dont follow all the lingo

[faint beacon]

Weapon Specialist keystone

[foggy wadi]

ty

[faint beacon]

Also I heavily stress with these guns

You need the precision strikes talent

[foggy wadi]

i always run that

ty for the info to make leveling this easier.

[somber onyx]

respectfully? fuck the helbore

shit is GARBAGE

also why do peopel think the agripinna revoler is so bad but the zarona is so good?

[faint beacon]

Zarona just completely overshadows it

It’s overpowered

More powerful than plasma lmao

That’s mainly why

Agrivolver Is the Zarona but actually balanced so people think it’s shit

[floral hearth]

exactly what gale said yeah

agri is perfectly fine to play with

big fun too

Zarona is simply better

perhaps not in close range burst, but agri gets overshadowed by other weapons in that area as well

[idle swallow]

Agri should get a 6 shot cylinder

and an iron sight/fan fire toggle

[floral hearth]

this would be good, but the latter would just make the agri OP

and while I dont want to take away from the fun when it's just playing against the computer/bots/whatever

i doubt making more stuff OP fixes anything

[slow spade]

personally I just want more ammo so I can fan the hammer without feeling bad

[slow spade]

this is 40k,that's how the balance works UwU

[floral hearth]

bigger magazine and capacity would make the agri something special on its own

yeah

[idle swallow]

just go crazy and make it a 40k lemat revolver or something

[floral hearth]

games workshop will be on the phone then

unless it does exist

[bold patrol]

i hope we get more commisary skins one day

[slow spade]

backpack-fed belt revolver when?

[bold patrol]

melta gun when

[slow spade]

next week

[idle swallow]

tomorrow

[floral hearth]

i require the full-auto yeehaw

[tawny badger]

krak grenade stocks going through the roof

[idle swallow]

I'm in a new vegas replay right now so I approve of any cowboy related actions or firearms

[slow spade]

Medicine Stick my beloved

[sacred spindle]

big iron!

[idle swallow]

Now we just need to find a lever action rifle equivalent in 40k and then we're really cooking

[slow spade]

rushing the Camp Golf quests to get the funny revolver quickly UwU

[slow spade]

cowboy IG regiment when?

[minor kettle]

What blessings should I go for on an infantry autogun?

[tall torrent]

Refer to guide

Usually dum dum + deathspitter

[minor kettle]

Okay thank you

[fair river]

I was meh on the upcoming content but NOW they got my attention

this is gonna be so fire

hopefully it's a variant of like the moebian 6th loyalist skin or something new

but I fear we're just gonna get another reskin 😦

[candid agate]

god they need to get rid of the lack of railings

not being able to dodge anything because of ledges is so annoying

[leaden skiff]

I mean they don't have OSHA in the 41st millennium

Grim dark means no guard rails.

[severe gale]

a mod earlier said that it’s not a recolor

[foggy wadi]

@faint beacon i tried out the Graia again and im just not a fan of it. can i still use the same blessing for Agripinaa?

[faint beacon]

Mk7 Vigilant?

[balmy flume]

It's a school of hard knocks kinda thing as well. Drop off them once or twice, you have it burned in your muscle memory for good.

[faint beacon]

If so they play completely different

But with the Agri IX what I suggested Is really good

[balmy flume]

Though ofc on Auric the AI does, in fact, just hate your guts lol

[foggy wadi]

The MK IX

[balmy flume]

Oh wait event thing started

Gonna get home and try

[sacred spindle]

hope you like slugs

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent what do u think about toughness regen on psyker? 🤔

[tall torrent]

can be worth if u backline

[fair river]

yay

[orchid hemlock]

the psyker guide says it is the best perk by far

ive been trying it

in gun fights it is useful

but in every other siutation it doesn't provide anything

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think it’s necessary even with ER tbh

[orchid hemlock]

this is what I have now:

[broken spade]

I think a lot of people disagree with that point

I do too

I don't think it's terrible on psyker but calling it the best is a stretch and I don't find it worth taking for myself

[fading yarrow]

Ngl
5-15 bucks for 1-5 of the most basic weapon reskins ever is insane

These are like
Commissary-tier

[idle swallow]

for all the faults destiny 2 has, at least the cash shop sells almost all of the fancy gun skins at some point for in game earnable currency

[balmy flume]

New condition HERE I COME

[placid portal]

Mutating horror enemies seem to have different armor from their mutated bodies?

[vapid nacelle]

agreed

like they look okay but when I first saw them I genuinely thought they WERE commissary skins

[slow spade]

I always wonder why they hold back so much with the skins

probably GW as they can cook but man it sucks to see

[sacred spindle]

aquilas as an ingame reward when 😦

[fading yarrow]

2026

[sacred spindle]

optimistic

[fleet garden]

2226*

[sacred spindle]

40026

[orchid hemlock]

why vigilant autogun do yall like the most?

[balmy flume]

Well…

• lots of Beasts of Nurgle.
• extra fugly zombies.
• exploding enemies.

Very Nurgle.

[vapid nacelle]

how do you guys prefer your veteran curios

[pseudo fiber]

Any fun builds of late

[pseudo fiber]

mk IX personally

[vapid nacelle]

seems fair enough

I run ability regen stamina regen, then however many health perks it takes to make my vet's health end in an odd number, then sprint

[orchid hemlock]

arlight here we go

[sacred spindle]

is that some special mod for people who can't already read?

[jovial sluice]

Heyo how’s things

[orchid hemlock]

what?

[vapid nacelle]

I've been wanting to try this one but too lazy

seeing how short my vet is to everyone else is funny

[atomic zephyr]

holy fuck, so many beasts of nurgle

i just played the new mode on enclavum baross with power supply interruption

i don tthink ive ever seen so many BoN before (never played maelstrom)

there were two right at the start

[jovial sluice]

Wait darktide is coming to PlayStation

That’s awesome means more rejects

[hollow ibex]

Auric / damnation pubs are gonna be aids in early December

[fading yarrow]

I'm already in the process of indoctrinating a PS friend with Zealot and Evis

[jovial sluice]

How so?

[hollow ibex]

Prob going to see a lot of new players that have no idea how to play the game

[broken spade]

that's the best part

[jovial sluice]

Everyone gotta start somewhere 😁

We were once all new players as well

[idle swallow]

My first fartdark game was VT2 and I ain't ashamed to admit being absolute dog doo doo at the game for a while. It's part of the experience and part of the fun

[merry oak]

are they gonna add the missing holo sight on the helbore or nah?

[formal cradle]

Almost? :p

[midnight totem]

No

[dreamy spade]

Is +100% crit weakspot on boltpistol better than 60% rendering on revolver?

[clear mist]

what the dif on the power sword marks? scandar and achlys

[formal cradle]

Is this negligibly close to the ideal or are there breakpoints involved that make CR71, TR69 noticeably better?

[granite sky]

haven't done the math but at the very least it's better vs everything non carapace

I wouldn't run deadly accurate on BP right now anyways as long as lethal proximity still makes grenades bigger

[tall torrent]

Negligibly close
Hope your stats don’t get changed by hadron in empowerment tho

[granite sky]

they did fix charge rate effecting your damage right?

[tall torrent]

Made negligibly small

[granite sky]

oh so is a 72% charge plasma still technically the god roll?

[formal cradle]

ok thanks

[tall torrent]

As long as u get 8 continuous shots, you’re fine

[sacred spindle]

hadron changes stats on empowerment? can't say I've noticed that (apart from number go up to brackets)

[granite sky]

yea the rounding can mess you up

[tall torrent]

Was a bug

[sacred spindle]

ah right

[tall torrent]

Now I think they fixed it

[sacred spindle]

we hope

[tall torrent]

At least I haven’t ran into this problem after they “fixed”

[granite sky]

the new modifier is truly kraks time to shine, I really wish they just made 3 krak baseline so it can actually compete with shreddies

[tall torrent]

They do compete with shredders at a baseline

[real sorrel]

lads i need some help. now and again i get a weird vet bug with exe stance where it stays super zoomed in when im not ads/ instance / using melee weapon. any way to consistently avoid or un-trigger this?

[tall torrent]

Is the reduced FOV applied only when you’re in exe stance?

[real sorrel]

exe stance gives you the bonus zoom from using it, that effect persists after use / after swapping weapons

[tall torrent]

Yes, that’s intended

It leaves when the ability’s duration expires

[real sorrel]

thats what im saying, it doesnt always drop off. and i keep the zoom for the rest of the match

messes with my motion sickness at times so was wondering if this was a common thing or not

[granite sky]

krak can't really make use of demo stockpile + demo team, one of vets best combos, unless you just want to sit at 0 nades

plus it's a toss up whether it does anything below a boss or if your team just kills your target

[real sorrel]

oh yeah didnt demo team used to give nades to teammates as well or am i just gaslighting myself into thinking it was better?

[granite sky]

i'm 90% sure it did

[broken spade]

it used to

[granite sky]

but once big bomb came it had to go

since that would be nuts

[tall torrent]

If u have recording, u can go report in forum

[hollow ibex]

Wdym

[granite sky]

imagine 3 vets and an ogryn that can just throw out 100 big bombs a match

[tall torrent]

Krak doesn’t need demo team, u just need 1 grenade regen to have it be fine and it deals very reliable boss damage & stagger or bulwark removal in a horde, it’s fine

[granite sky]

if you have 1 krak grenade and demo team procs it resets the time for demo stockpile since you hit grenade cap

[tall torrent]

Frag sorta requires more investment to be the best it can be

Krak is ready to go without much investment and serves a specific purpose

[broken spade]

Krak is nice for monstrous specials

[granite sky]

krak is nice for nurgle monster specials when you get 5 nades baseline

[sacred spindle]

throw more grenades

[real sorrel]

sorry to annoy anyones ocd but the lightning bolt under "Aim Down Sights" for the MK IIIa is like 2 pixels to the right compared to the other 2 helbores.

[sacred spindle]

literally unplayable

[jovial sluice]

....think i will be having nightmares after this event ends....

[granite sky]

if you're throwing all of your kraks and so have none / maybe a lucky 1 for the boss why even take them then when you could just run shreddies

[tall torrent]

Cuz you’re not meant to require them for boss? It’s just nice for boss?

[clear lantern]

iron sights, just like grandaddy used to kill 'em some nazis

[granite sky]

then it becomes a just fine grenade that competes with one of the best blitzs in the game

if not the best one

depends on if you can hit mostly heads with throwing knife

[hollow ibex]

Kraks are a totally fine sidegrade to shredders

[tall torrent]

I think kraks do their job well enough to justify using them

Shredders are very strong but they require more investment and are harder to path to the strongest nodes in the top half of the tree, it’s balanced that way for a reason

[orchid hemlock]

idk if frags are the best blitz in the game

thats kinda a reach

in this event for example, kraks have sig more value

[jovial sluice]

Small question are frags best used against hordes?

[tall torrent]

Mixed hordes

Rager & mauler

Too many elites & specials on screen = throw 2

[granite sky]

also they're another knockdown save

[jovial sluice]

Another question this time about smokes what other uses do they have other than against gunners

Actually what would you call the regular dregs and scabs with guns

[rocky jacinth]

shooters

[broken spade]

shooters/stalkers

can't remember which ones are which

[jovial sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/life-stalk-searching-anthony-anderson-gif-14522343637151142589

[granite sky]

what would you say the best in the game is then?

[rocky jacinth]

here's a cool frag tip; rending and brittleness applies to the bleed making it do massively more damage

including if you have uncanny strike on a melee weapon that's out

2 frags halve a crusher's hp, 3 frags will kill them (with max rending)

[uncut pebble]

Stalkers have the glowy mask and bayonet you for melee attacks.

[granite sky]

frags are also in the best spot right above survivalist as well which imo does matter for which is best

[uncut pebble]

Wait no I'm wrong, it's the other way around.

Stalkers are the ones without the mask.

Just the flak armor.

[tall torrent]

Stalkers shoot bursts, shooters shoot single shots

[rocky jacinth]

i've played this game for 900 hours and i've never seen anybody mention stalkers

[broken spade]

I do think frags are generally better but i think kraks are fine. They have a more specific usecase that still comes up commonly and they're good at it

[granite sky]

same they're all shooters

[tall torrent]

They’re categorized as a different enemy type for technicality sake and they do have different damage profile from scab shooters

[broken spade]

Also kraks have better pathing if you want agile engagement on a build that doesn't care about survivalist

[tall torrent]

Different health, different damage

[rocky jacinth]

are all traitor guardsmen stalkers

[tall torrent]

No

Green eye helmet ones are shooters

The ones with no-stock Lasguns that fire in bursts are stalkers

[rocky jacinth]

interesting

[tall torrent]

Stalkers move faster & like to surround u

Dreg only has stalker

I have their info in my guide

[rocky jacinth]

well i click their faces and they die so i'm not gonna bother trying to identify what they are

[jovial sluice]

This is making my head hurt think imma go lay down to think this over

[granite sky]

they also have like 95% the same model

main way to tell them apart for me is the guys with or without sleeves

[broken spade]

i think the only time i've ever thought about stalker/shooter differences was back in pre-tree days when people ran counterfire on exec stance and it didn't highlight one of them

otherwise i've never had a reason to care

[shrewd flax]

any good build around spearhead boltgun?

[rocky jacinth]

i figured those guys were gangers and not guardsmen

[granite sky]

in the code they're called sharpshooter and assault iirc

[real sorrel]

i like it for sniping individual specials/elites, but you can also just magdump into crowds of mixed hordes/ragers etc and kill most everything.

I run it with shredder nades cause it lets you use boltgun for heavies and shredders for backup horde killing if needed.

Exe stance is neat but voice of command lets you on demand knock everything down so you can reload mid horde then dumpster the lot.

Whichever keystone you want to run with, can make an argument for anything but i prefer the middle one (Focus Target) so you can nuke the specific crusher/mutant/boss that you want. Take a melee you are comfy hordeclearing on so you are less inclined to magdump on cooldown

[shrewd flax]

thanks, yes I have approx the same build right now

voice of command is too useful

i have shredder frag grenades to

I g uess I am mainly asking about the last big nodes

[real sorrel]

anything works if you are comfy enough with it so just experiment around. highly recommend using the extra loadouts if you arent already, lets you keep a few for specific builds and then i use one for memes and one for penance hunting

[rocky jacinth]

If you put inspiring barrage on the boltgun, you can use Exe stance like a full toughness recharge that also wipes the room

great option if you tend to use shout for survival

[shrewd flax]

the problem with executionner stance is that spearhead doesn't have a lot of ammo in a mag

and reload time is pretty long

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, your purpose with that is to delete trains of elites.

Exe stance > magdump > engage in melee.

[rocky jacinth]

frags are a good way to give you some safety if you really need to reload, 15 shots tends to be enough to clean up whatever really dangerous is around thanks to the insane damage you get from exe stance + pinning fire

and what he said

[sacred spindle]

deleting big trains of ragers / shotgunners is great

[shrewd flax]

earlier in heresy, I used voice of command on the 3 other downed players at the same time, felt good

[sacred spindle]

but being able to narrow down "where tf is that bomber" etc is pretty useful

but it's too easy to tunnel vision and then suddenly have no toughness

[rocky jacinth]

best to keep mobile, stick to mostly melee then pop your gun out for sniping specials or mowing down elite trains

[sacred spindle]

oh yeah, but some mission climaxes involve staying in vaguely the same place and you're reliant on your team to keep the chaff mostly off you while you delete the 15 shotgunners that just turned a corner

which you can't rely on in pubs

[shrewd flax]

so you take something like agile engagement ?

switching a lot between melee and r anged?

[rocky jacinth]

never for bolter, it's too short of a buff and the weapon takes too long to draw

[sacred spindle]

it's miles away on the tree too

I think you still always want to run frag/survivalist on bolter regardless of where you go after

[jovial sluice]

Ummm is determined even worth taking?

Or is it a worthless skill?

[sacred spindle]

not worth it imo

not with precision strikes right there

[balmy flume]

Finally.
That damn last Vet penance is within reach or finishing (70 enemies left)
Adept Assassin….

[rocky jacinth]

it's good, but it's superfluous if you use exec stance and in most cases you can close distance or retreat to cover instead of engaging shooters that are suppressing you

of course in pubs your dear friends might choose to sit out in the open getting gunned down while you're unable to return fire

[balmy flume]

I run pubs
So I say Determined is worth it

Suppression immunity gives you more mobility

[rocky jacinth]

huh

[orchid hemlock]

all of the psyker blitz, immolation, rock, blade of faith has value specifically for zealot, frag bomb

[rocky jacinth]

suppression is your shots going to narnia when enemies are shooting back at you i don't see how that affects your mobility

[sacred spindle]

the trick is to not be in a situation where you're suppressed in the first place really

and you can do that better with other nodes that let you kill the suppressing things quicker or give you mobility / toughness to not be there

[balmy flume]

Well I like not having my aim thrown off when shooting back :p
In theory Bolt Pistol shouldn’t be affected too much.

Maybe I will take it off and give it a few runs.

[granite sky]

You named 75% of the blitz in the game how can you expect me to take that seriously

[orchid hemlock]

my dude you are coping a bit too much on frags is what I am trying to say

[rocky jacinth]

yea this, the node is good but it's an opportunity cost and it's unlikely that you'll be in a life or death situation where you can't run away instead

or frag/close into melee/dodge until your team screws them up/you suppress them with some full auto fire

[granite sky]

Wow great point what an excellent argument

[sacred spindle]

I'd really like to try a SUPERVETERAN with ALL NODES

that'd be spicy

[orchid hemlock]

I answered your question, and then go "nice argument" what do you want me to say?

[balmy flume]

Just play Space Marine 2 lol

[sacred spindle]

no

no mark strong

bad game

I'm waiting until it goes on sale - not spending £55 on something that by all accounts has a short campaign and is mostly based around multiplayer(?) and is a bit of a normie game

[rocky jacinth]

You'd be forced to take Only In Death Does Duty End

[sacred spindle]

SUPERVETERAN with the option to take ALL NODES I DESIRE

[covert urchin]

I can’t stop using the bolter rifle, it’s stopping power is unmatched (besides the plasma rifle but I don’t like it that much)

Do you guys have any other gun recommendations that can put away mutants and chaos ogryns as easily as the bolter? I’ve only felt the vraks can somewhat compete

[sacred spindle]

revolver is an OP railgun

[covert urchin]

Maybe I used the wrong revolver but it didn’t feel powerful to me but I did use it at like level 10

[sacred spindle]

zarona is the good one

the one with ADS alt-fire instead of rapid fire

[covert urchin]

Does it need the marksman ability or is it good with a shout build ?

[sacred spindle]

it works really well with a shout / weapons specialist build for the incidental reloading

[covert urchin]

Alright I’ll try that one out then the bolter is amazing but the reload speed is gross

[placid portal]

Sprint cancel

[vapid nacelle]

it isn't anything crazy, but it's the most damage I've done in a match with my veteran 🫡

[sick marsh]

ok what's a good pairing for the bolt pistol in terms of skill tree and melee?

[granite sky]

bp is pretty versatile tbh, you don't super need surivor if you conserve or there's no ammo hogs, and works good with both middle and right keystone

[tall torrent]

Yes, exe stance
VoC is playable but it’s much better in exe stance to the point where it might be the highest damage build for veteran

[granite sky]

you can just swap BP into any revolver build

[tall torrent]

Nah

Boltpistol breakpoints are much much much worse lol

It might be the least versatile gun in the game in terms of breakpoints

If it had 5~8% more base damage it’d be much easier to build

[hollow ibex]

can confirm it feels awful without going exec stance

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is almost a grenadier one trick

[granite sky]

hmm, I guess I do generally take the same nodes for vet tbh but I've not had any issue hitting pretty good breakpoints with it

[atomic zephyr]

new modifier HAS to be bugged, i had a BoN spawn in the running part of sycorax

it tried to clip through a door

[granite sky]

lol I had that as well

pretty sure it just uses monster specials for spawning

[atomic zephyr]

and i just had a BoN and chaos spawn at the same time, full health on both

im typing now because i died, rest of the squad is OK lol

[hollow ibex]

guess i'm taking thammer bolter zealot for the next fwe days

[granite sky]

I had a carnival match with 10 bosses spawned it was pretty fun

9 BoN and a chaos

[sacred spindle]

had a smelter match where 2 BoN spawned at once on one of the narrow catwalk bits. Was playing with 3 zealots, 2 with loner, who had ran past a health station without healing and scattered like cats

things didn't go well

[granite sky]

tbh outside of the bosses the new modifier seems easier than normal game since you can 1 shot the tanky elites easily if they get mutated

[atomic zephyr]

nvm we got two more slugs and they all died

the worst part is they got me up, someone shot one of the exploding enemies and knocked me right back over the edge again

[granite sky]

classic

[vapid nacelle]

Vraks is so much fun

[unborn ridge]

is there a lone wolf kind of build for this?

for vet

[vapid nacelle]

you mean a build that's just kinda independent?

[unborn ridge]

yeah and

that you can just

go alone

[placid portal]

The mk7 vigil? Or the new named IAG brrrt

[vapid nacelle]

IAG

[placid portal]

It need moar dakka

[vapid nacelle]

what

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[vapid nacelle]

tactical axe + vraks iag is the most fun I've had on vet in quite a while

[unborn ridge]

u mean for what i said?

[vapid nacelle]

I mean it could work for what you're looking for but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it

I for one suck at Veteran 👍

that said

if it's self sufficiency you're looking for, Rashad or one of the Devil's Claws or Knives are good for melee/survivability to my knowledge

Ranged I don't really know all the weapons well

I personally like the laspistol the most for consistent anti-shooter and strong boss damage, is also mobile and has enough range to snipe some stuff in a pinch

can also be built to be very ammo efficient

oh there's also the shovels for melee

they don't do a ton of damage I think but they're good enough at it

and they have decent mobility

folding ones can handle crushers if you're careful

anyone who knows more than me make sure I didn't spout heresy here please thanks

[frigid lance]

is a melk plasma gun with 80 dmg 77 ammo 80 thermal 68 charge rate 76 stopping power worth getting

so i can customize blessings and have high power etc cause i havent levelled mastery yet

[sick sluice]

its a good start

thats probably what my plasma stats are tbh

[frigid lance]

the -4% stopping power hurts tho right

or is it rather negligible

[sick sluice]

im not into the numbers so i couldnt tell you tbh

if you have nothing better it should be fine

[tall torrent]

No

Refer to my guide, plasma wants a very specific distribution of stats

But most importantly you need very high stats (near max) in damage & stopping power

Otherwise it may struggle to hit breakpoints

[unborn ridge]

guys

does that stat that stuns enemies when you shoot with heavy sht like bolter

supression is it?

triggers demonhost?

[clear lantern]

only if you keep firing it; I've never seen a host immediately get triggered; you gotta disturb it twice.

[unborn ridge]

i wasnt near it

i was shooting guys like on his right but wasnt near him

it triggered

[hallow drift]

PS MkV? (horizontal heavies)/Mk2 Laspistol is my favorite vet setup for all the reasons you listed

[tall torrent]

If u fire near a daemonhost, u will wake her up

It’s not a suppression thing

[unborn ridge]

wasnt that near thats the thing

[unborn ridge]

btw

[hallow drift]

I was on a different elevation from a DH shooting away from it and I still triggered one once

[unborn ridge]

do u have a solo build or lone wolf kind of build?

[tall torrent]

Could also be a flashlight

[tall torrent]

Why, you want to play solo?

[hallow drift]

Better to just gtfo and move the fight across the room if possible

[unborn ridge]

just wanna mess around and go in alone

and also solo maybe

[tall torrent]

Like, true solo?

Cuz there is the true solo mod but u don’t get any rewards since it’s unrelated to progression

What difficulty are u mainly playing rn

[unborn ridge]

i play auric maelstorm

i was thinking a solo like build not only for true solo but normal games

like just to go in alone and sht

[tall torrent]

Play duos

[unborn ridge]

ive been playing normals aswell

[tall torrent]

U can use pretty much anything tbh?

[unborn ridge]

just to get faster materials

i doubt

when u get shot by 10 gunners

[tall torrent]

Nah u can use anything

[unborn ridge]

and melted with a bolter reloading

the bolter build is better vs heavy stuff isnt it

against normal gunners u cant take all of them down xD

[tall torrent]

Who gave u that impression

[unborn ridge]

my experience with the build

xd

for some reason

[tall torrent]

I don’t get why u can’t deal with gunners with Boltgun

[unborn ridge]

i can

maybe was a team problem

i onetap them

but with waves behind me

idk

the weapon swap isnt that fast

[tall torrent]

Don’t put urself out in the open where gunners get to freely shoot u while u have to melee horde

[frank basin]

Smoke grenade

[tall torrent]

This is a general tip, not exclusive to Boltgun

[unborn ridge]

i feel like normal damnation

can be harder than auric

because teammates rush in and are cluelles

[frank basin]

When there’s lot shooter and some or more gunner: drop smoke

I encounter scattered 8 gunners near stair at the transmission mission

Some shooter too

[tall torrent]

Eh, idk

How much did u play so far

[frank basin]

Drop smoke I might see their accuracy is spread out wildly. Or their accuracy just from suppression

[tall torrent]

Like, in terms of hrs

[unborn ridge]

hrs?

[frank basin]

Hours

[unborn ridge]

200

[frank basin]

Hours playtime

[unborn ridge]

ik

i got it

but im above the average gamer without being cocky

[tall torrent]

Ok I’d suggest u start running duos

Duo is the fastest way to improve tbh

[unborn ridge]

seems cool

but idk where to get someone to do it

and i feel like can be toxic

xD

[frank basin]

Nah

Just run duos

Anyone

Harsh reality not duo with console player

[tall torrent]

Wdym toxic

[unborn ridge]

idk if you do a mistake the other player takes it

[tall torrent]

Nah

Cuz anyone willing to play duo is either already good or wants to genuinely improve

[unborn ridge]

but this community seems pretty chill actually

[frank basin]

It does

People most here are adult

[tall torrent]

If you’re toxic and have an ego, chances are you’re not remotely good enough for duos

The other thing is

Duo is like, you can’t rly expect urself to get carried

[frank basin]

If you can carry yourself you can carry other

Prioritize yourself first then other

[tall torrent]

If ur willing to play duos in the first place, you’ve already accepted that failures do happen and all u can do is to improve

No excuse, if u lose you did smth wrong

[vapid nacelle]

I can't stand PS tbh

I just hate to use it

not because I can't but because it just feels terrible to actually use well

[frank basin]

Each weapon has own flaws

[vapid nacelle]

ye

[frank basin]

And I accept the flaws

[vapid nacelle]

I need my mobility lol

that sword ain't got it

[tall torrent]

rashad

[vapid nacelle]

and the whole charging between strikes thing

as good as it is

oh my god I can't stand it

[frank basin]

Power cycler

[vapid nacelle]

even with that

it still feels awful

but it's ok

tac axe is my new friend now

[frank basin]

Whatever suit you

[tall torrent]

Rashad lite enjoyers when they play Rashad:
Rashad enjoyers:
Rashad enjoyers when they play Karsolas:

[vapid nacelle]

I have used and enjoy Rashad myself

I also pretty much exclusively use Thunderous Karsolas on my Oggy

[frank basin]

I try experiment some blessing like torment

Karsolas torment is nice

[vapid nacelle]

its alright yeah

I just want my Thunderous

I need my 467 bleed ticks on bosses

👍

[frank basin]

Branx fitting for single target killer

I could do 2-3 tap on crusher

By heavy attack

Thunderous dump all stamina push on armored target stack it up

[vapid nacelle]

Branx can one shot crushers yeah, it's neat

I just go Karsolas for best of both worlds

strong single target with build and strong horde clear naturally

[radiant chasm]

yea i was going to say

can't kars also hit the crusher one hit BP (or two hit with special attack set up)

branx is the chad option tho

[vapid nacelle]

Idk if it can

I don't have the one shot crusher setup on mine

I just cleave heavy them to death, they die in 3 hits anyway so I just turn off brain lol

[frank basin]

Use loadout config test it out

[vapid nacelle]

I could

but ye this is my best friend and I don't think it's gonna change for a while

[frank basin]

That’s the well balanced stats

[radiant chasm]

i think it's a two shot cause torment sets it up

[frank basin]

Spam special attack and m1

Lol

[vapid nacelle]

I don't have all the damage boosting passives on but yeah Torment + Thrust + Carapace seems to be able to kill Crushers, at least with bleeding helping

but that's a huge investment for it

but 539 bleed is peak 👍

[frank basin]

I remember; bleed is bad

Long time ago

[vapid nacelle]

not sure how long ago

I might've been around during that time but might've been new by then lol

[frank basin]

Quite bit long ago

[unborn ridge]

ah yes im like that

so

what is this new event all about

[vapid nacelle]

tentacles and beast of nurgle

[unborn ridge]

but do they do anythng new

[vapid nacelle]

shoot tentacle enemies in the tentacles ,they blow up and do true HP damage

[unborn ridge]

do we get anythng new

[vapid nacelle]

bulkier

harder to cleave through

get rewards if you complete maps with the modifier

[unborn ridge]

btw

nice

whats the name of the modifier?

also what are ur thoughts on bolter pistol

[vapid nacelle]

I have no thoughts on the bolt pistol as I've never used it 👍

that is entirely up for someone else to answer

[hollow ibex]

good for an exec stance grenadier build, bad for anything else

[vapid nacelle]

Mutated Horrors

[unborn ridge]

so normal bolter still better

zarona revolver is still good?

[hollow ibex]

bolter and revolver are better yeah

but bpistol on a grenadier build is still very fun

[radiant chasm]

bolt pistol is more agile and requires less investment

than boltgun

[unborn ridge]

idk what a grenadier build is tho

it focus on grenades?

[radiant chasm]

you basically have to build your entire build around bolter, bistol functions just fine with puncture and stacking nades

[radiant chasm]

lethal proximity increases nade size by 25% even when the weapon isn't out

[vapid nacelle]

Laspistol best gun

no bias

[frank basin]

I need machine pistol in the game

Or lasmachine pistol

[unborn ridge]

tbh

when i tested it a while back

seemed pretty solid

good dmg good ammo economy

no recoil

[frank basin]

Very shit on carapace

[unborn ridge]

krak

i didnt think it was thaaat sht

[frank basin]

Woops 4 crusher and 2 bulwark

[unborn ridge]

70%

of the playerbase

is running like

plasma gun or bolters

xD

50%

atleast in my games

[frank basin]

They are cauliflower head cat follower or Darktide tuber follower

[unborn ridge]

lmao

ill have to go to sleep take care

every1

3 am already

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-medic-medic-meet-the-team-gif-14355164112870806939

VoC veterans when their teammates have several life-threatening injuries (yell at them)

[frank basin]

That’s called aced Inspiring

“GET THE FUCK UP”

[tawny badger]

horus heresy would've ended a lot different if the emperor had a veteran yelling at him to put the karking boot in

[frank basin]

10,000 VoC veterans

[tawny badger]

would've put him off the throne INSTANTLY

[vapid nacelle]

I WANT THESE KARKERS DEAD!

[frank basin]

Quarter of columnus and bolter and plasma then rashad axe all out war

[wooden moat]

GRIND THEM DOWN

[frank basin]

THERES ONLY WARS

[slow spade]

REAL Vet mains use shredder autopistol 😎

[frank basin]

I do use shredder autopistol

I recently using them

[pseudo fiber]

So the tac axe. Anyway to make it feel better?

[frank basin]

He said this

Idk about it if you wanna try it out, test with loadout config

Or you could ask him

I’ll probably think of headtaker and shred something

Since tac axe are single target

[pseudo fiber]

I want to like it. I realised I was falling into a pattern of safe weapons so I wanted to pick some ones I didn't like

I have never liked tac axe so I suppose time to get to work

[rigid schooner]

How do the bolt gun and plasma gun compare and contrast for killing bosses?

[pseudo fiber]

bolt gun is better

[frank basin]

Use loadout config find one which pattern make you comfortable use

[hearty panther]

which taxe you using

[frank basin]

I having use tac axe for long time now

[rigid schooner]

Honestly Rashad Caxe just does everything I'd want a taxe to do

[frank basin]

Rashad overused

Like boltgun and plasma

When did columnus stop mentioning?

[orchid hemlock]

u mean the vraks

🤓

[serene bough]

this new map modifier is making me hate BoNs

tentacles are one thing but can the modifier pls chill on the boss spam

[pseudo fiber]

I am greatly enjoying it personally

[tawny badger]

^

[serene bough]

its a strange modifier, BoN aside i find it weird enemies with the tentacle head affliction die in a single shot

[frank basin]

Oh yeah I got two boss spawned

Which is BoN and PO

Then more BoN

[serene bough]

getting a 1hko on a reaper w/ a lasgun feels awkward (but i wont complain over a free kill lol)

[serene bough]

i think ive run into 7 or 8 in the last game

[frank basin]

Lmao

Mine was on hab dreyko

[pseudo fiber]

I got 10 on archivum

it was great

[frank basin]

On hab dreyko there’s daemonhost spawn middle at drop down single way ramp into hab

Awful spawn

[steep vault]

@tall torrent yo

[serene bough]

too much for my taste personally

then again my build doesnt have the highest boss DPS

[steep vault]

can I get a build reccomendation for agri revolver for the event?

can't really figure one out myself rn

[frank basin]

He probably gonna tell you read the guide

[steep vault]

can't cram everything into it without making tradeoffs

I did

lol

[frank basin]

For agripinna can you land headshot easily?

[steep vault]

yea

[frank basin]

Trick shooter blessing

[steep vault]

usin it already

[frank basin]

Well use same one

For event just don’t shoot on tentacle enemies

Make sure it is clear to shoot no nearby allies

[tame lodge]

So since we have helmetless crushers now because of the tentacles

How fast can you kill it

[frank basin]

No need hand cannon just, pure crit and strength

Melee get easier

[tawny badger]

krak grenade

[rigid schooner]

What do you consider the "staples" of vet melees?

[tawny badger]

power sword

[rigid schooner]

As in not niche use or unconventional play compared to melee as a whole

[trim lantern]

Devils' Claw

[pseudo fiber]

mk1 shovel

[rigid schooner]

I always feel like devil's claw is blunted when I use it ngl, but that's mostly from psyker

[trim lantern]

To be fair, Psyker =/= Guardsman

[rigid schooner]

Ofc

[tawny badger]

power swor

[trim lantern]

The Devil's Claw is great at holding your ground where most melee weapons wouldn't

PARRY

[tawny badger]

oh yeah devil's claw as well

parry is

really fucking cracked

can singlehandedly take out rager swarms

[rigid schooner]

But Im wary of melees that "feel" like I'm swinging a plank of wood

I know there's the parry and shit

[tawny badger]

you get used to it

[trim lantern]

The thing is - if you feel like your Devil's Claw is a plank of steel-colored wood...

It's a shitty Devil's Claw

[tawny badger]

also right tree has trench fighter drills to up the attack speed

rending strikes in the middle tree to up damage on armored targets

[trim lantern]

The weapon itself is as equally important as it's wielder.

It's not solely a "skill issue."

It's also a "stat issue"

[rigid schooner]

I just feel like melee can occasionally feel like swinging away at a wave of trash that is replaced as fast as I remove

[trim lantern]

That's just pessimism

I look at it like this:

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25908805

The only thing they fear...

IS ME

[rigid schooner]

I'm really not sure how best to put my thoughts into words, since most of the time it is fine, but when I have to swing three times as a dreg bruiser I'm annoyed

Maybe it's one of those "hearing your own voice" things, where I can be doing fine, but I don't think I am

Granted, I almost never block, rarely push but do dodge a lot, though maybe not effectively

[trim lantern]

You're annoyed because you simply are.

Accept your emotions and use that to help do better for yourself. ❤️

[rigid schooner]

Yeah

[trim lantern]

I had to, as well. X_X

Also, that dog picture is funnier than it needs to be.

"PEBBLE! NO! WHY DID YOU DRINK ALL MY BEER?!"

"I'm having a moment, master..."

Back to the topic, though -

[rigid schooner]

Devil's claw for some reason seems to be a focal point for my thoughts on the matter

Maybe I really should roll and max out a good one

[trim lantern]

• Pushing Poxbursters is an essential skill to learn. You can't shoot them all.

• You will make mistakes, but Blocking in melee is meant to help serve as a means to give yourself leeway when you're in a tight spot.

[rigid schooner]

Oh no Ive been doing that for at least 100 hours

[trim lantern]

<- Shameless 464+ hours total, so far Veteran main

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-bonk-gif-1640802954755837923

(Idc if this is relevant or not. I found it and think it's funny)

[rigid schooner]

I feel like In situations like that I'm more likely to, and would prefer to keep swinging and dodge away

[pseudo fiber]

Do I want to do the event with a tac axe db build
probably not no

[rigid schooner]

I just assume that taxe isn't as good as combat axe

[trim lantern]

Ragers swing so often and so relentlessly that you'll too quickly lose your toughness to run away from their attacks.

[rigid schooner]

Or that dueling sword does what taxe does, better

[trim lantern]

Ever seen a Zealot do the same with a knife?

It's kinda fucking spooky

[pseudo fiber]

It's less that it's more walking in with literally zero boss damage

[trim lantern]

It's like as if they use the power and inertia of their own weapons to force themselves forward like any trope-typical "dash" would.

It's pretty much like a "Sonic Spin Dash," but without the cartoon-y glowup.

And that's terrifying

https://tenor.com/view/war-hammer-hammer-gif-25704599

Tangent aside...

Imo, it's better to parry or block as opposed to "run for it" with Ragers.

Kill them outright, too

They're an obstacle you're FORCED to confront

Imo, that's not a bad thing, considering the tone of the world of 40k.

"Run away!" D:
[Gets shot in the back for being a coward]

[jovial sluice]

......soooo i ike the rashad but its boring

[frank basin]

that's what it is

[wild vortex]

Putting the laughter in manslaughter can occasionally be kinda boring yes

[placid portal]

How to beat rager in melee,

1. Use helbore mk3 or 5
2. Mash bayonet
3. ????
4. Profit

[tall torrent]

Just run Boltgun

XIV revolver is a sad weapon

[steep vault]

aw

alr

[tall torrent]

That’s only single rager

[placid portal]

Deadshot Volley fire with Marksman passive to get 20% power on weakpoint

NEVER ABANDON THE YEE HAW THE EMPRA GIVEN US

If you feel ballsy, marksman focus too

[mild hill]

What do you guys usually run with the power sword

[jovial sluice]

just did a lights out with mutated horrors......

[hollow ibex]

anything goes well with it tbh

though PS really benefits from weapon specialist keystone

[tribal tangle]

Big suggest something fast to pull out

power swords slow af

[uncut pebble]

Laspistol.

It makes up for your awful mobility with psword, you can drop maulers decently fast with bodyshots, and the mag is deep enough to take on several gunners at once.

[unique orchid]

did they change the audio and how it works recently? i swear it sounds different

[junior needle]

Nice to see the quality of gear in aurics hasn't changed with the crafting patch

[languid estuary]

if i want to build the boltgun specifically for vaporizing bosses what do i take along w cavalcade? shattering?

[rapid palm]

yeah ive been wondering what the prefered bolter blessings are now that its been buffed

[jovial sluice]

i think i will now choose violence and slaughter some heretics with a smile

😁

[dry cloak]

Depends on what you want it to do to

[tribal tangle]

do a circle

[rapid palm]

generalist deleter of high prrority targets that can mag dump into bosses and ogryns when it needs too

[jovial sluice]

heh

[uncut pebble]

Shattering impact + puncture.

Zealout gets a 4shot headshots only kill on crushers from any distance, I'm sure vet can squeeze that number down.

[rapid palm]

what about surigcal?

[dry cloak]

Vet can get it to 2 hs

[uncut pebble]

Surgical is...

Interesting.

[dry cloak]

Surgical for exe stance builds that go for sniping

[languid estuary]

give me the lore

[uncut pebble]

If you really want to snipe with a boltgun, I won't stop you, but that's not what it's made for.

[dry cloak]

Its better at it than most precise weapons

[uncut pebble]

Prob basic stuff like bring it down, superiority complex, precision strikes, etc.

[jovial sluice]

......ya know what darktide needs daemons that hang from the ceiling.....

[rapid palm]

the lasguns (aside from the recon) as well as the 7 semi autogun do sniping better

[dry cloak]

No they not

[uncut pebble]

Vigilants have horrible maniac adms, though.

[jovial sluice]

think of it as a trap

[dry cloak]

They are actively worse at sniping than bolter in my experience

[uncut pebble]

The green lasgun is unironically the best for countershooting.

[dry cloak]

Yes

[rapid palm]

oh yeah, the IAG will mess stuff up

[dry cloak]

Helbores are in a weird spot right now

[uncut pebble]

You aren't gonna be hunting specialists with a boltgun, is my only deal here.

[rapid palm]

assuming it doesnt have carapace armor

[dry cloak]

I will and i do

[uncut pebble]

Helbores do great damage, but imo they need their draw anim made significantly shorter.

[rapid palm]

I think thats why they added the weapon switch speed talent node

[uncut pebble]

Just like, make us do the little switch flick when you reload and be done with it.

[uncut pebble]

Even with one motion it's a little slower than I'd like it to be.

One motion at least makes it bearable.

[dry cloak]

Yes. Another point to think about. Make them charge passively then they would be more lore accurate to my understanding

[uncut pebble]

You get the idea, though.

[dry cloak]

If you want iag but a bit different try blue vigil

[uncut pebble]

Helbores are simultaneously excellent and terrible weapons.

[dry cloak]

Yes they are great at sniping high value target but revolver exists

[uncut pebble]

Shooting them with shock trooper and surgical means your ammo pool is basically infinite, but often you will have the game spawn groups of bruisers behind you, forcing you to draw your melee because your helbore can't keep up with the spawn rates.

Also you can drop ogryns in like 3 shots.

[dry cloak]

Yes

[uncut pebble]

So.

[dry cloak]

In 2 with brown one

[uncut pebble]

Yeah but then you've got the icky bayonet type.

[dry cloak]

Yes

Make them charge passively

Thats my only gripe with helbores now

[tall torrent]

Pinning fire + puncture, play exe stance
U can refer to the pinned guide for info

Boltgun has a lot of good blessings (5/8 are useful in some way)

[dry cloak]

And the other 3 are?

[uncut pebble]

Cavalcade, surgical, shattering impact, I assume.

[tall torrent]

Pinning Fire and Puncture directly contribute to breakpoints with/without exe stance
Surgical help you get bodyshot crit 1 taps on flamers & gunners outside of exe stance
Cavalcade is nice value for elite wave & boss magdump
Shattering Impact boosts carapace damage if u specifically care about crushers

[dry cloak]

I mean the 3 that are not usable

[tall torrent]

Gloryhunter is only 16% toughness per elite kill, not worth, you’re meant to play it in exe stance where u turbo kill everything they send so confirmed kill stacks will tick crazy in the back

Fire frenzy is maybe ok for zealot but zealot usually takes it for crusher & boss so shattering + puncture matters more there, and for veteran it’s just not nearly as good as pinning fire & puncture for breakpoints

Inspiring barrage is not horrible but you shouldn’t normally need toughness when the gun can 1~2 bodyshot most elites & specialists which means loads of confirmed kill stacks ticking off in the back

And this is a breakpoint-orientated gun

[dry cloak]

Inspiring barrage has more sense on brautos

[tall torrent]

If u want gloryhunter, take plasma instead

Plasma can actually get value out of that

[rapid palm]

and even then plasma has better options

[tall torrent]

Nah

[dry cloak]

Go play ogryn and get gg

Because ggs gloryhunter is 30%

[tall torrent]

Plasma has 6/8 good blessings but they’re mostly on equal level with each other

[tall torrent]

25% vs 30% is not a huge difference and veteran has CK on top of gloryhunter

So veteran is 35% on elite, plus 20% over 10s, and CK doesn’t have stack cap

Result is an indestructible veteran even without gold toughness as long as u have elites to snipe

[frank basin]

half life barnacle