veteran-class

[orchid hemlock]

Well ig PS u do push attack to kill crushers

[short fern]

Then get another health curio whenever you can

[orchid hemlock]

U also can fix the stamina problem by taking stamina regen/sprint effecincy

[slow spade]

Lol pushing and push attacks

[orchid hemlock]

Not nearly as much as knife

[slow spade]

Ok?

I never said it didn't lmao

[unborn ridge]

no bolter nerf so its thesame

[slow spade]

Shovel doesn't need stam then. Get a toughness curio imo

[orchid hemlock]

All I said is that knife is the only weapon that really likes to have extra stamina because of spamming push attacks

[slow spade]

K

[jovial sluice]

this what i decided to settle on also i followed the guide thats pinned in the pinned messages tab for the shovel

[hollow ibex]

you don't need stam curio on shovel

wasted slot

[orchid hemlock]

U don't need stamina curio on shovel, and you don't need 3 HP perks

U already hit the +200 HP mark

[jovial sluice]

what should i replace the hp perks with than?

or the stamina

[orchid hemlock]

I would take 2 gunner 1 sniper

The stamina just take toughness

[slow spade]

get at least 1x -20% sniper resist

[hollow ibex]

i take 1 gunner, 1 sniper, 3x ordo, 3x sprint eff, 1 toughness for 2x hp and 1x toughness curio

[slow spade]

that'll make you take roughly 3 sniper shots to kill

[orchid hemlock]

Also 1 sprit effeciency is pretty useless

I prefer SE over SR

[hollow ibex]

yeah on vet i prefer SE as well

[slow spade]

or take both UwU

[orchid hemlock]

On my Zealot I take 1 SR 2 SE

[jovial sluice]

will this do? not entirely sure if i should change something

[hollow ibex]

if you don't take ordo dockets, could be possible, but unnecessary imo lol

[hollow ibex]

this will work

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah that looks good

[hollow ibex]

i like taking ordo dockets because money is always good

i always need more

[slow spade]

I have 10 million dockets and I still do quickplays

I LOVE MONEY

[orchid hemlock]

I rly don't think u need stamina regen since vet has a low regen delay, but u can make the argument that in combat it will help u refresh pushes

[undone jungle]

Genuinely find that sprint efficiency has better stamina economy than stamina regen perk

You regen so slowly even maxed out perks

Most of my stamina is from talents

[slow spade]

as a Psword enjoyer, I take both

[somber adder]

I love stam regen on vet with all the 0.25 seconds reduced stam regen nodes, stagger push attack galore

[orchid hemlock]

But then what happens if u need to run a few meters?

[undone jungle]

Lol

[jovial sluice]

just hope i can make you kind souls proud for helping me out thank you :}

[slow spade]

queues into match -> mutant grab throws you into a daemonhost UwU

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-shape-out-of-breath-too-hot-the-studio-handsome-filipe-gif-17315062

[undone jungle]

Veteran having 0.5 no stamina sprinting speed makes me genuinely believe sprint eff is a must have

[slow spade]

as is tradition

[undone jungle]

Vet is soooo slow in a game where that kills you

[somber adder]

Idk, dodge slide, +30 stam on dodging ranged attacks node or just be careful about stamina usage in situations where it might get tricky

[orchid hemlock]

Hell even on my Zealot I take SE

[slow spade]

not really, you can get +10% base speed with nodes and another +20% from No One Left Behind if you queue with a knife zealot UwU

[hollow ibex]

yeah see who says knife zealots are selfish players

[undone jungle]

Nah Zealots get something like 0.75 sprint speed while on empty. For them I don't bother with SE. That's what I slap on Psykers too since they're 0.5 as well.

[orchid hemlock]

The question u need to ask is where is the source of the majority of your stamina is being depleted from

[slow spade]

Deadshot Recon

[undone jungle]

You still run slower when out of stamina

Even with every speed node

[orchid hemlock]

3 Stam curios here we go

[undone jungle]

You need sprint stamina or you're a slug

[slow spade]

Fatshark hates us. Simple

[orchid hemlock]

It's to make sure I have stamina to spam push attacks after I reposition

[somber adder]

I take 3 stamina regen, 3 sprint efficiency and 1 block efficiency for stamina economy

[undone jungle]

I do think they should give Vet 0.75 sprint speed out of stamina because Vets aren't gun focused entirely anymore.

[slow spade]

I take 3x stam regen, 3x sprint, 3x toughness

[orchid hemlock]

Nah go all in

[slow spade]

I like to use Psword push attacks to 1-tap ragers and ogryns

[orchid hemlock]

Be better than Tanner

3 SE
3 SR
3 BE

[slow spade]

"not ranged focus? brb removing Weapon Specialist" -Fatshark

[undone jungle]

I go 3x sprint eff 3x toughness 3x combat ability regen. Don't need Gunner res. since it's usually my job to kill them first.

[normal pawn]

tbh all you need is a weapon with good mobility stats.

[slow spade]

true UwU

[somber adder]

What the fuck would you need 3 block for lol

[slow spade]

I might get hit :c

[hollow ibex]

[undone jungle]

Block eff is a meme youtubers unironically recommend literally never bother with it

[somber adder]

[slow spade]

the only time block eff is good is for kinetc deflector psykers

but even that is niche

[somber adder]

I like running one cause it allows me to rez more easily in a horde

[normal pawn]

Look, My KD Psyker needs a LOT of blocking for getting up the 3 stooges that keep getting downed.
That 90% extra Perils you THINK would help but FUCK

[undone jungle]

Not even that imho

[slow spade]

fuck bullets though

[somber adder]

Fair enough, you do you

[undone jungle]

Then just kill the Gunners instead of hiding

[slow spade]

tell that to my teammates

[somber adder]

Just kill the 26 gunners that are shooting you lol

[slow spade]

I can't infinite dodge spam to gunners and blast them anymore

[undone jungle]

Every second spend blocking is a second spent not killing tbh. Unless you're reviving or reaction blocking there's rarely a reason

[undone jungle]

Yes?

[normal pawn]

I came out here to wrestle daemonhosts
Damn blunts got me on fucking back-busting duty.

[undone jungle]

Why are you exposed to 26 Gunners with no way to fight back in the first place smh

[slow spade]

because I have kinetic deflector with BE curios

[somber adder]

There's situations where you cant ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[undone jungle]

I mean unless you're using Purgatus I really don't see a point

[somber adder]

Fair enough

[normal pawn]

"Good question!"

Infiltrates lmao

-# that is definitely how they got there aswell

[slow spade]

2 charges UwU

[undone jungle]

I should try a double charge infiltrate

[normal pawn]

2 charges is very strong when you also have such a good duration

(also you can mostly recharge with a conc

[somber adder]

If I don't hear "I wanna hear them scream" every 5 seconds why even bother playing vet

[slow spade]

Havoc mode about to be cheesed by 4 Vets with VoC and max cooldown just spamming

[somber adder]

Yes

[normal pawn]

because shovel bonk sound + loose cannon is just comedy already

[somber adder]

Idk why they made kruber shout but like 5 times as strong

[slow spade]

funny

[normal pawn]

so they can put in 5x the enemies

and 5x the public incompetency

[somber adder]

Idk Vermintide2s public Legend/Cataclysm were pretty fucking bad

You'd have people die to the first horde and leave

That's less so the case in this game from my experience

People just leave when they die lol

[normal pawn]

i mean that doesn't sound that far off tbh

[slow spade]

the difference is now it's on a hiveworld c:

[lean marlin]

I'm horribly late to the party, but LOL I'm the vet who posted that build you're hope never to see in your team. just casually being the top in 90% of games I play, but huh, what do I know.

[somber adder]

Another Bolter Vet growing an ego

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[lean marlin]

boltgun since beta, whatever 🙂

[thorn lark]

Being good mechanically is different from being knowledgeable about the game.

Also. Why do you need a wound?! Oo

[lean marlin]

gees, prolly I don't know, as I have no knowledge about the game...

[tall torrent]

Seeing that build, yea

[lean marlin]

or maybe to have an extra wound for damnation runs, who knows. not me for sure.

[somber adder]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

Having more wounds is objectively bad ever since the healing stim got added

[thorn lark]

You said it was your build

[lean marlin]

it is, but you lads insist I have no knowledge, so what do I know 😦

[hollow ibex]

was bad even before stimms were a thing

[thorn lark]

Why a wound then?

[somber adder]

Eh, it atleast had an upside with an opportunity cost. Now it's just a downside with opportunity cost

[lean marlin]

☝️

[somber adder]

I want wound cause wound

That doesn't explain anything

[hollow ibex]

it's ok if you're just learning the game

[thorn lark]

If you need a extra wound for damnation run sorry but I am not taking advice from you

[somber adder]

Unless that's all there is and in that case more power to you

[thorn lark]

You should try to do less than 200hp damage taken on a damnation run

[lean marlin]

what requires explanation here? I take 1 extra wound because I like to have 1 extra wound and not to hog into resources. what's wrong with that?

[slow spade]

tbh the only real issue is that you gave advice

[lean marlin]

I rarely take more than 300 lol.

[slow spade]

like your build is dogshit 100% and that's ok

just don't advise people please

[hollow ibex]

then why take a wound?

you clearly don't need it

[lean marlin]

omfg, what advice? I asked to rate it, lol. didn't advice anyone.

[thorn lark]

Bro. You're clearly way better than you think

Drop the wound

[tawny timber]

rn im running infantry lasgun with infernus but i feel like i would rather have that instant damage from like deadly accurate or something

[jovial sluice]

i mean my build i'll guess wasn't the best until the kind rejects helped me :}

[tawny timber]

what do we think about infernus on infantry las

[slow spade]

in that case, I apologize. I was running off the info I saw in the convos above and didn't see the original post

[tall torrent]

Not good

[tawny timber]

ok so my thoughts are confirmed

thanks

[thorn lark]

Your build could be better

Your bolter like précision strikes

More ammo and elite dmg

[arctic rampart]

Being an ass is not the way to convince people or help them

[slow spade]

Vet is interesting in that there's no "best build" which leads to a LOT of discussion on what is the best build

[thorn lark]

And don't think you need that much nades talents for kraks. Especially if you're running a bolter.

Maybe a shredder nades could be better

[slow spade]

tbh I have a bolter build with kraks just for more points

I mean it helps vs bulwarks

[lean marlin]

that just fits how I play the game 🙂 lots of targets, lots of means to delete them.

[tall torrent]

Highest damage build is probably exe stance Boltgun

[slow spade]

it fucking better be with all those damage buffs

+20% strength on weakspot hits upon using ult 😩

[tall torrent]

Marksman only matters for crusher and boss magdump

[jovial sluice]

ummmm can i get a rating on my build of how good or bad it is?

[thorn lark]

Yes

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/prepare-yourself-goliath-get-ready-for-this-take-your-time-to-prepare-amazon-studios-gif-23203134

[tall torrent]

Not having any grenade regen is definitely a choice

I wouldn’t recommend tho

[earnest bone]

so you just copied my old build

nah, its fine for smokes

[tall torrent]

Then u don’t understand how smokes work

[jovial sluice]

no sorry i dont fully understand how smokes work sorry

[somber adder]

No need to apologize for not knowing when you're learning

[tall torrent]

It’s fine, I have details written about it in my guide

Basically u throw it at where you want to be

It only works for you if you’re inside the smoke cloud

[arctic rampart]

If you're a new player you may want to try voice of command instead of stealth

[lean marlin]

is it reserved for new players?

[jovial sluice]

i tried it a few just seems to over tuned is that the right word forgive me for saying that

[earnest bone]

as for the changes, you can get Recon12 DumDum+Infernus for max boss damage, optional - dump collateral

[arctic rampart]

voice of command is the strongest option. for new players trying to learn mechanics of how to dodge and the maps and probably crappy gear I'd recommend taking it.

[earnest bone]

you can kill any (amount) gunners with that build without using smokes, there's a variation of that build with krak nades and regen that i used, but overall there's been some MS matches where i throwed like 2 smokes at best

[tall torrent]

Smoke is not exclusively for gunners

[arctic rampart]

yeah I think its the strongest "ult" in the game. the combination of stunning and yellow toughness instant regen for the entire squad is cash money. at higher difficulties you might want that power.

[earnest bone]

and you can res 2-3 people in Stealth with that build, so we can add another minus to that

which leaves

[tall torrent]

Again, smoke is not exclusively for gunners

[earnest bone]

for rare boss engagements

with others trash mixed in and when you dont want to be bothered and want to quickly finish the boss

you do throw one

[tall torrent]

Plus

You’d probably want shock trooper instead of superiority complex

For recon lasgun

[earnest bone]

dumping onslaught is a way to save points

[jovial sluice]

Oh I see

[tall torrent]

Yea prob dump onslaught

[earnest bone]

but then you are going for DS4/Knife or at least a Shovel with Uncanny

[tall torrent]

If u have a knife you have the anti-armor & boss dps part covered

Wait

You’re taking serrated blade for a shovel

Change that to agile engagement

Serrated blade has 1 and 1 purpose only and it’s for 1 specific blessing on knife

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/have-mercy-mercy-ohgod-havemercyonus-gif-26166009

[jovial sluice]

Is serrated blade bad or something

[earnest bone]

no, its for Knife with Mercy Killer blessing

otherwise its kinda pointless

[stoic thorn]

Love me plasma gun

[earnest bone]

the way it works (alone without support) your target will be long dead before Serrated Blade will have an effect

[stoic thorn]

You see that gunner? Now you dont

[earnest bone]

apart from bosses

[jovial sluice]

What so bad about onslaught? Is it not good or something?

[slow spade]

I used to be a plasma simp

now I'm a bolter simp

[earnest bone]

no, its good

[slow spade]

too much investment imo

[earnest bone]

but yeah, you are forced to use 2 points

before getting to it

so it's a 3-point talent

[tall torrent]

Too much investment for not much gain

[slow spade]

especially because Weapon Specialist is pretty shit for Recon

[earnest bone]

those 3 points you can use for
Shock Trooper
Reciprocity

and some other stuff

[jovial sluice]

Oh shame ok :/ should I stop using this “keystone” as well?

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist is good

[earnest bone]

Weapon specialist? its alright

[slow spade]

its just bad for recon, your shovel loves it

[earnest bone]

well you still get insane atk speed with it

[thorn lark]

Shriek used correctly is just shout on steroids

[earnest bone]

with recon

its funny

[slow spade]

which is funny true

[tall torrent]

I still don’t get the shovel hype

[slow spade]

same

but hey its pretty decent so I don't mind

[arctic rampart]

bonk sound effect is some people's jam

[jovial sluice]

Shovel go thonk

[slow spade]

I'm still surprised there's no audio mod that replaces the shovel hit audio with a frying pan noise

[arctic rampart]

as a weapon its just worse than other options especially knife dueling sword

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/actor-harrison-ford-shovel-hitting-with-shovel-hit-in-the-face-film-franchise-indiana-jones-gif-2425571961497241211

Veterana Jones and 40 Forgotten Heretics

[slow spade]

btw its a perfectly fine weapon its just there are better ones

[tall torrent]

I can’t rly think of a reason to use shovel over shock maul, for example

[thorn lark]

It's like a a thock on a mechanical keyboard

[arctic rampart]

bonk sound

[tall torrent]

It’s funny at first

But the damage doesn’t make up for it

[arctic rampart]

just to be clear I don't use it anymore. I wish it was speedier

[jovial sluice]

I like the shovel cause it’s special

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist Shovel covers its weakness imo

though you can say that for every melee lol

Weapon Specialist my beloved

[earnest bone]

idk, garbage cleave ruins smauls for me

[arctic rampart]

Also it'd be nice if shovel had brutal momentum

[earnest bone]

and there's no way to boost cleave

[slow spade]

Uncanny + Brutal Momentum would be funny

[thorn lark]

You would have a taxe PB no?

[arctic rampart]

yeah exactly what I was thinking

[jovial sluice]

What is “cleave”

[manic moon]

the ability to attack multiple entity at once

[arctic rampart]

I haven't had caffeine yet, sorry I honestly don't know what this means.

[thorn lark]

You really have to commit to reach the BP for BM

[jovial sluice]

Personal best? PB?

[thorn lark]

PB = problem

[tawny timber]

peanut butter

as in PB&J

[arctic rampart]

peruvian butt

[tawny timber]

PBL drizzy

[arctic rampart]

    Dev Note: We've received some reports that this fix does not apply properly to the Power Sword or Thunder Hammer. We're investigating this. Thank you!

I wonder when they will actually fix it. blehhhh

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[tall torrent]

Shock maul has better cleave than shovel

[jovial sluice]

“Smauls” what is that?

[slow spade]

wait stuns aren't suppose to turn it off?

bruh

[earnest bone]

with decimator stacked we are looking at 16 vs 11

[tall torrent]

decimator stacked

Yea

[sleek garden]

I guess it kind of is a better shovel

[earnest bone]

but it has a reach of 20m with heavy, its hard to miss (unless swing at the dead)

[sleek garden]

That's strange

[arctic rampart]

It broke with unloaded patch. In combination with "double activate" doesn't refresh I stopped using power sword completely.

[jovial sluice]

What melee weapon should I use that has decent cleave?

[tawny timber]

shock maul my beloved

[tall torrent]

What 20m

[earnest bone]

exag, but its still impossible to miss

[arctic rampart]

They fixed one of them and seem to be trying to fix the stun one. The stun one is way less annoying, just don't get hit... but when other extremely compelling melee options exist 🤷‍♂️

[tall torrent]

buddy this is 20m

[earnest bone]

why you ignored the joke smh

[jovial sluice]

Sorry to be a pain with all my questions 🙇‍♂️

[earnest bone]

the range on mk1 heavy makes it braindead impossible to miss

saying it for like 4th time or something

[arctic rampart]

rashad combat axe with brutal momentum, chain sword, power sword w/ brutal momentum and power cycler, I've heard chain axe is not trash now.. I'm probably forgetting a few other horde clear weapons

[tall torrent]

It was only like 4s faster vs 50 pox

Compared to shock maul

At the cost of not having rager group stagger

And having to spend stamina for carapace damage

[hollow ibex]

chain axe horde clear isn't great, still primarily for single taret

[earnest bone]

Check the max (25%) aspd stacked 10 decimator difference too

with lights vs whatever on smaul

[tall torrent]

It’s not very good

I just checked cleave damage distribution

It’s worse than shock maul

[faint beacon]

Shock maul is great

[final hamlet]

with a revolver or bolt pistol easier?

[faint beacon]

Till a Bulwark or Monstro spawns

[tall torrent]

DB shotgun

[tall torrent]

That’s the same problem with shovel

Unyielding damage is just not there

[final hamlet]

I will give it a shot, thanks

[slow spade]

they already covered you but I have been using Power Sword since release so I'm extremely biased when I say that Power Sword is great for cleave (with brutal Momentum)

[thorn lark]

The best way to be accurate is to just hit everyone

Unfortunately

[arctic rampart]

power sword and rashad best horde clear in the game? I guess the zealot eviscerator is ok too...

that thing doesnt have BM though from what I recall or some cleave problem? (its been a year+ since I used it)

[tall torrent]

Evicerator is much worse than those 2

[arctic rampart]

so, PS and rashad for top of the list or did I miss something

space wizard explody staff?

[tall torrent]

If they all line up for you

[arctic rampart]

They always line up, 50% of the time in randoms there's 2 stealthers just pulling rooms screens away and stealthing 😄

[soft island]

I mean, are you including staves and guns because wouldn't those win as long as you have ammo? Just the range on them alone lets them beat melee.

[arctic rampart]

staves for sure, they don't use ammo. extremely valid horde clear option. people spamming recon lasguns into horde constantly are madmen

[slow spade]

to be fair, Recon can be made ammo efficient enough to allow that (I can't believe I typed that)

[tropic notch]

Caxe isn’t that bad at hoard clear the mk4 is good at it

I had more fun with the caxe the the tac axe

[slow spade]

Rashad Combat Axe is like one of the best horde clear weapons in the game

horde clear melee weapons*

[tropic notch]

Oh I meant chain axe my bad

[slow spade]

oh lol

[tropic notch]

Oops

[slow spade]

sadly not knowledgeable on the chain axe :c

all I know is they don't suck anymore

[tropic notch]

It’s alright

[slow spade]

I should have clued in when you said "mk4" :p

[tropic notch]

In my opinion I think it’s the best chain weapon

[trim tiger]

is there a mod that removes the skull from focus target

[tropic notch]

The axe has -2.00 dodge distance at max mobility

Then again the Rashad is just a power house

[tall torrent]

Numeric UI

[tropic notch]

And has a positive dodge distance

[tall torrent]

Removes enemy-tag icons completely

[tropic notch]

I wish the bloodletter proced on the mk 4 light instead of just the special

The dps would be funny methinks

I also wish serrated blade procced on the ticks of damage instead of the final

[broken spade]

wait numeric ui does that too?

time to uninstall no-skull

[ocean idol]

For vet probably not worth taking shred for chsword? @severe gale

Have you ever seen such equal dam age done to the boss

[severe gale]

chain sword is meh on vet

good horde clear

mediocre single target without chastise to buff it

[ocean idol]

actually that's exactly what i want it for

[broken spade]

saltydwarf evolved from not liking chainsword to just putting chainsword on everything

character development

[ocean idol]

i always liked it

it is just not as good as other options

[rain badger]

Are titles shared between characters?

[somber adder]

Yes

[rain badger]

[faint beacon]

Going off what she said yeah they’re overall okay, you can build it for single target but it starts lacking in horde clear

You usually don’t want to build it for single on Vet

[candid agate]

you guys think knife with agile blessing would be cool?

as in if they added it to knife blessings

[faint beacon]

Bait blessing tbh

It’s cool but like

You could just push once to get your dodges back

[candid agate]

against groups of ragers maulers and crushers?

infinite dodges are very fun with the duelling sword

[faint beacon]

Yeah till they coax you into a corner

Besides it’s better killing them quickly

[tall torrent]

I don't think it's entirely bait
but there're more important blessing picks usually

[somber adder]

It's top tier in terms of fun but more damage so you don't need the infinite dodges is better in terms of efficiency/meta

Agile Tac Axe is my favourite melee atm

[broken spade]

i used agile dueling sword for a bit and it gave me the worst habits

it does exactly what you'd expect and does it well.
do not use it though

[pseudo fiber]

Agile tac axe could be funnt

Mainly because I have no idea how to play tac axe

[abstract stream]

Been having fun with the double barrel build

Does anyone know what to use meta wise for the shovel

[pseudo fiber]

Depends on the shovel

[abstract stream]

Is there even a meta shovel

[pseudo fiber]

Not particularly

Mk1 is good horde clear and space control
Folding shovels are for one tapping problems

Mk1 do uncanny decimator
Mk3 and 7 do uncanny thrust

[abstract stream]

alr ty

[clear lantern]

I did this with a bolter; really low ammo count, on an assassination mission; beast or nurgle aalso appeared. magdumped into the monster and boss (only when shield was up), never picked up ammo, anbd used melee the whole other way through

[slim terrace]

this is hwta my friend is going on lasgun

and he is doing full left tree.....how do i tell him he needs a real build?

@steep vault i guess here, since i posted it here first

[terse idol]

Left build is good wdym

I mean i should say it's fine

[broken spade]

well when you say full left

[terse idol]

the crit damage, and crit chance is cringe doe lmao

[broken spade]

how full?

[slim terrace]

FULL

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/full-house-bridge-gif-15539569

[broken spade]

if he's avoiding the good nodes in the middle like tac awareness and iron will, that's going too far

[broken spade]

oh no

[slim terrace]

shit pics, i know

[terse idol]

Tunnel vision is fine

[slim terrace]

thats not the only tunnel vision he has, lmao

[terse idol]

No middle talents is too cray

[slim terrace]

i got him to make it a full one on the site

[broken spade]

wow

[terse idol]

Skipping suppression immunity is the craziest thing imo

Long shot bad talent

[slim terrace]

help him.
he wants to focus on gun play and not too much melee (i kinda cover that boat)

[broken spade]

What guns does he like/dislike?

[jovial sluice]

Heyo

[slim terrace]

he likes to infantry lasgun rn, thats it

[broken spade]

I don't play inf lasgun enough to really know the build.
Actually i think hardly anyone does anymore. Died off in popularity

[karmic crane]

@oak aspen how do you make veteran shoot?

[jovial sluice]

How is my fellow rejects? How everyone going

[broken spade]

actually someone here can probably just post like a generic recon lasgun build and it would be a similar enough playstyle i think

[orchid hemlock]

Did someone say RECON????? 😭

[oak aspen]

mouse 1

[karmic crane]

Thank you

[oak aspen]

no problem

[broken spade]

I have not built a recon in a long time so someone else post a build for it

[tall torrent]

Tell him to play psyker and give up on veteran

Like, straight up

[elder fiber]

yeah we need more psykers that literally can't melee to save their lives

[slim terrace]

ngl, im pulling my hair out with him

[orchid hemlock]

Tell him to get better

[broken spade]

probably true but i think most people who decide to main vet as their first class enjoy aiming

[orchid hemlock]

[orchid hemlock]

Nobody is asking for a recon build tho 😔

[jovial sluice]

Ummmm well I was thrown right next to one of those witch looking things like someone said I would

[tall torrent]

Genuinely just tell him to go psyker

Veteran is not the ranged class

[steep vault]

left tree ain't bad

just make sure he takes the proper talents

[broken spade]

did you see the build

[orchid hemlock]

Tbh I haven't used infantry since the recon buff

[broken spade]

they weren't kidding when they said full left

[steep vault]

yea I did

it's bad

real bad

[jovial sluice]

But it wasn’t by one of those mutants is that the right word

[slim terrace]

he refuses to listen to me.
"im testing it rn, the dmg is good"

[jovial sluice]

It was a barrel explosion

[orchid hemlock]

I just think recon is objectively better in most situations 😔

[tall torrent]

What difficulty does he play mainly

[steep vault]

ask him about survivability

[orchid hemlock]

Tell him to test Deez nutts

[slim terrace]

i tried to throw him into damn, he is a malice baby

[tall torrent]

If he can’t listen then you go trial by fire

Duo private damnation

[steep vault]

he has nothing other than maybe exih takedown

[broken spade]

just drag them into auric damnation games and if he doesn't quit the game, he'll probably ask for advice

[orchid hemlock]

Tell him to walk the walk 🚶🏻

[slim terrace]

got it. shred his dick with a cheese grader.

[tall torrent]

At least get him to play heresy

[steep vault]

tell him to drop Get back in the fight

[tall torrent]

Start with auric heresy

It’s ez

[jovial sluice]

@tall torrent, @steep vault and @slim terrace nice profile pictures 🙂

[broken spade]

can't force people to take advice they didn't ask for
honestly i hate getting advice I dont want too. I kinda consider it spoilers

[steep vault]

wait no nvm

yea lemme check the build

[orchid hemlock]

As Kendrick said it best: be Humble

[steep vault]

covering fire is ass

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-wanna-be-pure.-bottom-left-iasip-q-hindi-gif-4659943599661417099

[steep vault]

why did bro branch out for it

[orchid hemlock]

Omg this is actually horrifying

[steep vault]

recon las?

[orchid hemlock]

No infantry

[slim terrace]

NOW YALL SEE WHAT IM DEALING WITH

[steep vault]

infantry doesn't even need shocktroop

[tall torrent]

“Damage is good”
Did he test in malice lol

[clear lantern]

an almost pure rifleman. It's almost shiny

[slim terrace]

im no expert, but even i knew it was bad

[steep vault]

only helbore needs it absolutely

[orchid hemlock]

Recon likes it too

[steep vault]

recon w/ survivalist is bearable

that's true

[orchid hemlock]

No determined on infantry is a crime 😔

[clear lantern]

fuck that; use a Columnus Infantry Autorifle

[slim terrace]

i have 0 clue, he is in a vc with his bf rin, so i have no clue

[tall torrent]

Oh lol

[broken spade]

idk just let him play and offer advice if he struggles

[tall torrent]

I mean

If he wants to improve at the game

[broken spade]

don't helicopter parent someone for a video game

[tall torrent]

He’ll get humbled really fast

[clear lantern]

that's only level 24, so he can put 6 more left-side nodes

[tall torrent]

If he only wants to play malice it’s whatever

[slim terrace]

mhmm

been tryna tell him

[iron marten]

True. Hey, you should jump for Rellana's big move

[clear lantern]

he can thrive in Heresy I bet

[broken spade]

perish

[tall torrent]

The question is if he wants to play the higher difficulties

[jovial sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/helebobter-gif-4633749728343719882

[tall torrent]

Nah

[steep vault]

an improvement

[tall torrent]

If u take exe stance u don’t rly need suppression immunity imo

[steep vault]

tbh idk if they'd even take the TFD

[steep vault]

that's true

[tall torrent]

U also don’t need superiority complex

Take demo stockpile

[steep vault]

put it into marksman?

[tall torrent]

No, demo stockpile

[steep vault]

true

[tall torrent]

And drop suppression immunity for rending strikes

[steep vault]

so drop supression, and superiority

[jovial sluice]

@tall torrent ummmm sorry to interrupt but you wanted me to remove serrated edge in favour for agile engagement was it?

[steep vault]

but that's 2 points only

[steep vault]

serrated blade only works w/ mercy killer knife

agile is one of the strongest vet talents for 25% flat damage increase on swap

[elder fiber]

how dare you interrupt

[jovial sluice]

Sorry 😞

[elder fiber]

j/k yeah agile is one of the best conditional dmg nodes in the game

[steep vault]

https://tenor.com/view/empty-brain-loading-gif-20731521

[orchid hemlock]

rending is required for lasguns unfortunately

[tall torrent]

Outside of knife with mercy killer, serrated blade has almost no value

[slim terrace]

they just wont listen.
i said to them "test your build and test it well. next time, i test you"

[elder fiber]

even then you're point taxing when other knife builds work

[tall torrent]

No, wtf

Why do u need that extra ammo

Get BID

[jovial sluice]

You also mentioned that I should remove onslaught I think it was cause of the point investment?

[tall torrent]

Onslaught is usually not worth

[slow spade]

yeah its a lot of points that's only really useful vs carapace

[broken spade]

just make them play higher diff until they ask for help
forcing someone to accept help is actually pretty rude imo

[slow spade]

well it'd help vs flak and maniac but not enough to justify getting it

[elder fiber]

It's big dps increase on recons but that's it I think

[steep vault]

I have no brain right now

I forgot lasgun has a huge reserve

[tall torrent]

If they don’t want to play higher difficulties then don’t bother

[broken spade]

if someone told me how to make an optimal build to cheese a game i just picked up a few hours ago, i would slap them

[slim terrace]

thats the thing, they are asking for help, and im trying to, but they dont want to listen because "these are the perks i want"

[broken spade]

play a better build and show off how much better yours is then

[elder fiber]

some people just don't know how to receive help even when they ask unfortunately

[slim terrace]

im the opposite. i wanna be god from the start.

[elder fiber]

after a point it's entirely on them to change

[steep vault]

end ig

I forgot a ton of things

[slim terrace]

if theres magic anyway...no magic, i cant be a god

[steep vault]

been playing w/ double barrel too long

[jovial sluice]

Is this in a different discord server

[broken spade]

Personally i hate having someone tell me how to play a game because at some point, my win is just someone else's win that they handed to me

[jovial sluice]

Cause I don’t see these people here

[slim terrace]

a friend i got into this game. doesnt want to join a server to ask for help

[tall torrent]

Ok then tell them to just keep running damnation over and over

Literally trial by fire

If they want help but still refuse help

[broken spade]

yeah i think this won't be resolved unless they see results

[tall torrent]

Then trial by fire

[broken spade]

they need to actually die in game to be convinced

[slim terrace]

thats what ive done since i could, i think its helped me a ton, but ive also aways done that

[orchid hemlock]

average darktide content creator

[slow spade]

sounds like it'll be a quick fix then

[broken spade]

just run a similar build but better, do like 4x their damage, and then they'll maybe believe you

[tall torrent]

With enough spectating & deaths he’ll eventually see his mistakes

[slim terrace]

trust me. they cant get through a heresy with out dying 3 times

[orchid hemlock]

only 3 times?

[slim terrace]

i was being generous

[orchid hemlock]

[jovial sluice]

That’s bad right? Isn’t it?

[wild vortex]

sounds like they don't actually want help then

they just want to be told it's not their fault and the game is hard

[jovial sluice]

The game is pretty hard those sometimes for people who are average like myself

[wild vortex]

yes it is, but explicitly denying advice after supposedly asking for advice is kinda

[slim terrace]

im inclined to agree tho. game can be hard, but once ytou actually spend time in the higher diffs, its nothing until you get caught in a fucky situation

[tall torrent]

It happens surprisingly often

“Hey what do y’all think about my build”

-> it sucks
-> tell them why it sucks

“Yea but it works for me and I always top damage in my team”

Many such cases

[wild vortex]

yeah I mean, I'm just 300 hrs in and I think I win maybe 30-40% of my auric games and I'm still learning. But at least I'm not stupid enough to turn down advice without acknowledging that yes, I will probably suck with my setup vs the advised setup

[wild vortex]

average toxic scoreboard mod user

also there is the whole personal comfort thing right, there's some non-optimal setups that just work for people because they get used to it, and perform better on it than something that is optimal but not comfortable

e.g. me with Branx ( ) vs me with Boro ( )

[tall torrent]

It’s a Karsolas world

[wild vortex]

Karl good too

I love using it on a hybrid setup

[austere mica]

Karsolas is just comfy

Still the complexity (a special -> heavy/light, basically nothing) of other class weapons while still the goofy strong power of an ogryn weapon

[tall torrent]

I went back to carapace + elite for rashad

That 5% crit chance does NOT feel like 5% lol

[elder fiber]

no 10% dmg + agile on rashad, reporting you to the inquisition

j/k

[jovial sluice]

if i'm being honest right now i had to swallow my pride to ask you fine rejects for help

[elder fiber]

I mean this game has a lot of hidden + misleading stats, some of them straight up game warping (lmao lethal proximity)

[tall torrent]

u can learn a lot from my guide

[narrow frost]

and where might one find this "guide"

🤨

[wild vortex]

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/say-my-name-meme-say-my-name-walter-white-heisenberg-breaking-bad-gif-24564124

[elder fiber]

willy wonka?

[hollow ibex]

Cauliflower cat

[jovial sluice]

i'm more of a auditory learner

[tall torrent]

Select text, click “read aloud”

[jovial sluice]

oh thank you for telling me i'll take a look rn

[slim terrace]

i remember now...this is what my friend is trying to be. a basic bitch...the most basic of all bitches

[orchid hemlock]

average bronze league player

[thorn lark]

can confirm it's fun, can also confirm it's the best way to develop bad habits

[idle swallow]

learning to rely on agile in any capacity is gonna be a bad time later down the line

[thorn lark]

yeah

infinite dodges on force swords fucked me up for a loooong time

[tall torrent]

I'm not joking btw

[jovial sluice]

ohhhh its a word doc i dont have word on my pc :/

[tall torrent]

U don’t need to buy MS subscription to view it

Worst case scenario u download it as a pdf (but it won’t track live changes)

[idle swallow]

shout-out to microsoft for hiding the one time standalone purchase for office on personal PCs in the most darkest depths of their shop, never meant to be seen by mortal eyes

[tall torrent]

I think that one is for an older version that’s no longer to be updated

unless they made a new one

[jovial sluice]

ummmmm well i removed the 2 points from onslaught and adjusted serrated edge to agile engagement did i also need to remove superiority complex also i am using the MKXII recon las gun

[tall torrent]

If u don’t use onslaught, XIV is kind of just better

VIc is also not bad

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent wait, toughness regen curio perk max????? 🤔

[jovial sluice]

which the guide say XII uses onslaught

so im kinda confused

[tall torrent]

Ok so the thought process goes like this

Do you have a strong anti-armor melee weapon?
Yes -> no onslaught
No -> Do you want to use a strong anti-armor melee weapon but it costs talent points to be optimal?
Yes -> spend those points on melee, don’t run onslaught
No -> Do you really want to magdump crushers with your gun?
Yes, with Vraks V / Recon XII -> run onslaught
Yes, but no specific ranged weapon in mind -> Boltgun + executioner’s stance
No -> what are you doing?

[orchid hemlock]

Path just hates onslaught confirmed 😔

[jovial sluice]

is the shovel an anti armor weapon also sorry to be a pain @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

Born leader does scale from the toughness u get from coherency regen
Unfortunately it basically never matters

[tall torrent]

It’s ok at it but not great

I have radar charts for weapons’ performances

[tall torrent]

I at least put it in “build specific” for talent ratings

[hearty panther]

Shovel handles exactly one elite at a time. It isn't fast but it has the benefit of strong dodges and general defenses when doing the work.

[orchid hemlock]

@jovial sluice here just use this:

With Onslaught: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Without Onslaught: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838991d8fb09/femboy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tall torrent]

If I was a bit more biased
Deadshot and onslaught would both go into the “not worth” tier

[jovial sluice]

where should i put these 2 talents

[tall torrent]

Grenade regen

Reciprocity definitely

[tall torrent]

Recon wants crits for shock trooper

Change CQKZ for reciprocity

And get grenade regen

[jovial sluice]

close quaters is my damage boost those :/ but if you say so

[tall torrent]

Personally I’d tell u to run a different melee weapon

[orchid hemlock]

close quarters is trash compared to reciprocity

[tall torrent]

I don’t get the hype behind shovels

[orchid hemlock]

reci is prob one of the best nodes in the entire tree

[tall torrent]

They’re mediocre all around except in boss damage where they’re ass

[hearty panther]

bonk

donk

[jovial sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[hearty panther]

clonk

[tall torrent]

It has like no gore settings, 1/10

[hollow ibex]

THUNK

[orchid hemlock]

does recon need rending strikes tho?

[tall torrent]

Preferably yes

[jovial sluice]

made a choice

[tall torrent]

No grenade regen

Meh

[orchid hemlock]

u have no grenade regen my dude

is supression good on recon tho?

[tall torrent]

It’s noticeable

Idk why u have to take infiltrate

Is it for a penance

[orchid hemlock]

what about the IAG?

[jovial sluice]

dont have enought points for it and its only smokes that i'm using

[tall torrent]

Smokes are not bad

[jovial sluice]

i like infiltrate being able to do objective, get back toughness and save teammates is fun

while invis

[orchid hemlock]

stealth is good at doing objectives and getting people up

that's it

[tall torrent]

Drop superiority complex for demo team prob

[orchid hemlock]

i tried doing stealth on vet, it's honestly painful

because unlike zealot that can get it back in 5 seconds

u need to use it purely defensively

[radiant pendant]

after spending some time with it the build is fun but you can really feel the weapons faults

[full nacelle]

Yeah the Zarona shotgun is a really fun weapon but it definitely has issues with uptime cause of the ammo/reload mechanics

feels great when it works

[radiant pendant]

yea just hope they buff weaker weapons to be better so they can at least stand against the more op ones

[full nacelle]

agreed! a slight ammo/reload buff would go a long way

[radiant pendant]

i wouldnt mind a special shot buff as well after all its a uniqe mechanic as well as the strong weapons not needing to do stuff like it

[orchid hemlock]

I remember for a while that Darktide content creators rated it "the best Vet melee weapon"

[true trellis]

It's a class exclusive so it's automatically best

[tall torrent]

I don’t remember that time

[broken spade]

me neither

i'm sure anyone who has said that said it as a joke right?

gotta be a meme clickbait thing

[iron marten]

I sure do love staggering hordes to death

[clear lantern]

I mean, you get into that heavy attack rhythm and the foley work pays for it self

[jovial sluice]

is the combat axe swing speed slow?

[tall torrent]

Yes that’s why u take trench fighter for it

[jovial sluice]

ummmmm i'm not sure if i should say this or not but i feel like the devs need to buff the swing speed of the combat axe

[tall torrent]

Nah, it’s fine

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1303529541905547354/funny_ragers.mp4?ex=672c15fd&is=672ac47d&hm=57cfa0d8ff1abc2e1b9bc122ff5fbc2683e862faf4566fb822cae0f01fbf7405&

[minor kettle]

Do you guys think I should replace Longshot for Demolition Team? I'm running stub revolver and combat axe with frag grenade

[tall torrent]

Longshot is horrible, generally don’t take it

[minor kettle]

Oh really? Do you have to be super far for it to work?

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t do anything from 0-12.5m

At 13m you get ~0.6% more damage

Maxes out at +20% damage at 30m

[minor kettle]

Yeah that's pretty bad

[tall torrent]

I have details about this in my guide

[minor kettle]

Thank you

Do you think I should keep both Charismatic and Confirmed kill?

[tall torrent]

Drop charismatic

[minor kettle]

I could switch it for born leader or field improv which i heard were good

[tall torrent]

What is ur build & which weapons

[minor kettle]

these weapons with commanding shout

and focus target

and survivalist for aura

[faint beacon]

It’s fine it’s literally the meta

Like Rashad crushes everything in melee vs the other melees

[tall torrent]

What difficulty are u mainly playing

[minor kettle]

Im just starting to do damnation runs

[tall torrent]

Revolver benefits greatly from weapon specialist

[minor kettle]

Oh thank you!

is for the emporer not good?

Also is the crit chance node better than fully loaded?

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

[short fern]

Do any of the gun choices have enough ammo for me to never use my melee?

[tall torrent]

If u really need that extra ammo, go for it

[tall torrent]

I suggest you give up on veteran and start a psyker

[minor kettle]

That was very useful thank you

I'll check out your guide next time i make a vet build

[short fern]

I’m a zealot main. I’m too brain rotted to not blow myself up

[tall torrent]

Veteran is not the ranged class

Veteran is melee & ranged hybrid

[short fern]

Well drats then

[unborn ridge]

is bolter gun with voc still good/meta=

[tall torrent]

Usable
But Boltgun really benefits from exe stance a lot

[unborn ridge]

its just because that golden armor

u get really helps with the chip dmg

even with the heavy sword

the heavy attacks get canceled

by a single add hit

[tall torrent]

All I can say is to learn melee

[unborn ridge]

any tips?

[tall torrent]

Creature spawner, 20 bruisers, go for no-hit

Or at the very least

Turn off invulnerability

And go for no-health-damage-taken

[hollow ibex]

Learn single target and anti horde combos

They’re in the guide

Push more and dodge more

[unborn ridge]

ik the combos

i already dodge a sht ton

the heavy sword horde clear is litteraly l1 heavy spam

or l1 h2-l3 repeat

[unborn ridge]

aight

[hollow ibex]

OK sounds like you’re most of the way there then

[unborn ridge]

yeah some times i dont get hit in a lot of fked up situations but other times i get demolished by somethng in the back or

even dodging i get hit

iddk if i should dodge sideways or backwards

[hollow ibex]

Depends, and sometimes you want to dodge slide or push

Just try what path suggested and observe when you get hit

[unborn ridge]

ok

will do

im liking the cleave on the heavy swordd

problem is it gets canceled by a hit

[hollow ibex]

Actually I should try too

[unborn ridge]

i could no hit 5 crushers with a knife

80% the time i tried atleast

[unborn ridge]

whats the name

for bruisers

[tall torrent]

Trial, 20 bruisers

Dreg or scab

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent how do u know if a weapon has good supression or not for ?

[tall torrent]

Go spawn shooters & gunners in trials

Invisibility off

See how well you can make them not shoot u as you’re killing them

Compare with/without KTHD

[orchid hemlock]

there isn't a "supression" stat that I can se ein the code? 😔

[tall torrent]

There is
I’m too lazy to figure it out

[unborn ridge]

jesus

[orchid hemlock]

then what weapons would u take with KTHD?

[unborn ridge]

this is chaos

[tall torrent]

Anything I feel like born leader isn’t worth for

Which is basically every exe stance build ever

[unborn ridge]

im starting to

get the hand of it

basicly a lot of

[tall torrent]

20 bruisers?

[unborn ridge]

lights

yeah

lights into heavy when i got space

[tall torrent]

It’s a lot of pushes

[unborn ridge]

and some pushing and

stamina management

[tall torrent]

Good practice

[unborn ridge]

yeah but stamina

[tall torrent]

After that

[unborn ridge]

dies fast

[tall torrent]

You can learn to fight ragers in melee

[unborn ridge]

ragers are cancer

yet with rashad i feel like they get f

[clear lantern]

WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT YOU. PROTECT YOU FROM THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE

Pak chooie ah

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1303529541905547354/funny_ragers.mp4?ex=672c15fd&is=672ac47d&hm=57cfa0d8ff1abc2e1b9bc122ff5fbc2683e862faf4566fb822cae0f01fbf7405&

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword can 1 tap Dreg ragers

[unborn ridge]

like

what do i aim to do

dodgning backwards?

they try to circle me

[faint beacon]

Dodge to the sides

And then push when you run out of dodges

Rinse repeat

Cause dodges come back every what

.5 seconds?

[unborn ridge]

ajj

was doing

a huge mistake

ahahha

two huge mistakes actually

its a lot easier now

1- im aiming higher XD so i actually hit their heads

also other mistake

[hearty panther]

.85s

[unborn ridge]

2- i was trying to dodge while charging/ doing heavies

when you do that your dodge has a cooldown

so i have to do light attacks do dodge to get more distance distance

[junior haven]

does smoke confuse the hounds?

[faint beacon]

Yes

Stand in it and they can’t track you

[unborn ridge]

i thnk i solved it

if i keep dodging backwards

diagonally

i get more space

and less crowded

[tall torrent]

Don’t get circled

[tall torrent]

0.85s

[unborn ridge]

how

xD

i did it no hit but im not that consistent yet

[tough tiger]

Be aware of your surroundings by watching out for obstructions and kite the horde around in a circle

[placid portal]

high ground is your frien

[unborn ridge]

yup i realised that

also i have to use more lights

vs that many dregs

lol

[tall torrent]

Enemies have flanking behaviour active when you’re alone

Move both left & right to keep them from circling you

[indigo lark]

what's the best secondary weapon to pair with infantry lasgun? combat axe?

[unborn ridge]

thats what im doing

i figure it out

[verbal burrow]

@tall torrent I have done a terrible thing comrade

[unborn ridge]

3 lights shove repeat

maybe heavy

always going left or right

[verbal burrow]

Magikark

[faint beacon]

If you're using heavy sword you wind up heavy and dodge mid heavy swing

[indigo lark]

whoops, meant primary weapon, not secondary

[unborn ridge]

yeah

that doesnt work

while ur wind up heavies

ur between dodge cooldown goes up

also if you hit the first 4dregs theres like 3 more in the back already swinging at you

try it urself

[tall torrent]

Are u using my mod pack

[unborn ridge]

yes

[tall torrent]

You can go into negative dodges, just don’t stay at negative dodge too long

[unborn ridge]

msot of the ur mods if not all

ur not getting it

i mean dodge delay even before going into negative dodges

that or my keyboard is bugged lol

[tall torrent]

Push & dodge at the same time

Don’t go for PA, just push

PA on heavy sword is a single target hit

[unborn ridge]

i didnt go pa

i was mostly doing lights and when the oportonity came

heavies

[tough tiger]

Iirc hsword heavies beyond h3 are all horizontal sweeps

[unborn ridge]

i think might be my dodge key not working 100 porperly

[tough tiger]

Hsword 9 at least

[unborn ridge]

im using hsword 9

[orchid hemlock]

truly we have lost our way 😔

[unborn ridge]

all horizontal after l1

[unique orchid]

I use the hsword with a bunch of light attack steroids like +power on multiple hits and stuff

And crit i think

Makes lights actually worth using, but seldom better than a heavy

[tall torrent]

Also what did you put on ur heavy sword

[unborn ridge]

maniacs, flak

deathblow

perfect strike

tho i have no talents for melee

[tall torrent]

Get headtaker

Perfect strike is usually not worth it

[unborn ridge]

is there a mod

that makes u able to acess the hadron

without going there

[manic moon]

idk who started this perfect strike heavy sword trend but can go fuck himself

seen a lot more guys with heavyswords putting garbage on it

[placid portal]

mfw people don't put deathblow

It's now a devil claw but less cleaving

[manic moon]

and no parry

[hollow ibex]

there's a few on nexus

[manic moon]

"psych ward"

[unborn ridge]

its on a guide

[hollow ibex]

this one, which is nice for direct access from character screen

[unborn ridge]

i thnk

[hollow ibex]

and there's also

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/242?tab=files

[unborn ridge]

which one is better

from thsoe two

[hollow ibex]

i use both

they do different things

[manic moon]

whaaaaaat

[unborn ridge]

wtf

its not on veterans

guide

is it on the other pinned guide

[manic moon]

cat meme HUH

[unborn ridge]

im on crack

wtf

maybe i mistook it xD

[manic moon]

xD

[unborn ridge]

lol

[manic moon]

k which channel pin

lets start with that

[unborn ridge]

this one but this melee

quick guide doesnt even have

heavy sword

so i went to the veterans

but for some reason mistook

the blessings

[arctic rampart]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/89

[manic moon]

did u get an explanation tho why perfect strike is garbo?

[arctic rampart]

oh mb, someone already answered that. ignore 🙂

[manic moon]

its fine im lazy to link stuff anyways

[unborn ridge]

nope

but ill change it nonethe less lmao

[tall torrent]

I didn’t put perfect strike in any weapon’s recommendations

[unborn ridge]

headtaker is clearly best

[tall torrent]

But basically

[unborn ridge]

u did

in the next one

the duelist sword thng

[tall torrent]

Without sufficient crit chance, perfect strike’s value is very low
And heavy swords’ cleave distribution beyond 2nd target is not great

[unborn ridge]

nah nvm

[tall torrent]

You take perfect strike just to hit multiple maulers & crushers which this weapon isn’t made for

[unborn ridge]

u didnt

forget it

i see

but heavyswords made for cleaving and horde clearing right

[manic moon]

you can cleave maulers too with zealot

[tall torrent]

Non-armor elite kill & horde clear

[manic moon]

bodyhit-charge hit (F charge)

[tall torrent]

It can kill mauler, takes like 4-5 body hits from SP & H1

[unborn ridge]

its aight as im using bolter for elite

[tall torrent]

But it’s not great at that

[unborn ridge]

in this b uild atleast

[manic moon]

but basically yeah with deathblow you can mince 4 targets at once except curshers or maulers

and perfect tsrike wont change that

literally beyond useless trait

you 1 tap everything else on head with good build

and i sit here still wondering after vt1 and vt2 why did fatshark still litter the game with blessings which are just fundamentally useless

"crafting is fixed" my ass

[hearty panther]

write a book about it

[manic moon]

i could but doubt morons like u and amelie can't read longer than single sentences rest are not dumb enough to need it

[tall torrent]

Some weapons have decent blessing variety

[manic moon]

tru

but some really dont

some dont even have blessings to chose from

[tall torrent]

Plasma, knife

[hearty panther]

sorry, i forgot you cant write more than fragmented sentences in a row

[tall torrent]

But I wish a lot of blessings were reworked or made better

[manic moon]

and some of the good ones slightly toned down

[hearty panther]

i dont mind either way, people get their yucks from stacking double bleed blessings and seeing red stuff come out of an enemy pox walker, that's their business

[tall torrent]

Plasma has the highest % of good blessings
6/8 are good and serve their purposes

[hearty panther]

nobody is interested in a game that's just a linear series of fixed choices

that would be ... a book

[manic moon]

well knife is a strange example

on one hand you can put a number stuff on it

[tall torrent]

Knife is like 5.5/10 good blessings

[manic moon]

on the other hand its so good just by the movetech you might as well use a grey one

[tall torrent]

Still good cuz that’s 5

[manic moon]

well yes and no

[hearty panther]

smackdown is obviously in the good category

[tall torrent]

[hearty panther]

+20% crit chance! that's like 4/5ths of a reciprocity!

[tall torrent]

I wish more weapons had like
4~5 good blessings to choose

Instead of 2~3

[hearty panther]

we're way beyond 'fixing' blessings as a concept, because what we should have got was choices that change the weapon more fundamentally

instead it's just "make the thing you already do hit harder"

so, who cares

ill keep using smackdown executor