veteran-class

[tall torrent]

Block is fine it’s disablers that get ogryn the most

[umbral parrot]

I will give 1 thing to ogryns.... they're tough as nails.

[somber onyx]

What are the good oge weapons, i thought theye were all pretty good exept the power club

[umbral parrot]

All are good, but the one that lets you carry had like crazy is the pickaxes.

[tall torrent]

Karsolas & shield
Kickback

That’s like it

The other 2 pickaxes variants are ok for gunlugger

But not as good as Karsolas

[umbral parrot]

I have a weak spot for Branx lol.

[somber onyx]

Oh i always used the kickback anyway exept for gun lugger because it sounds so good

THUNK

[umbral parrot]

There is that cool new canceling animation that makes you shoot Kicback quickly. If you have Run/Gun, you a can cancel the animation of your reload and shoot again by sprinting.

But as usual, i hate the idea of wasting ammo.

[earnest bone]

i like cleavers, but i think they have like 0 armor damage and no options for armor damage

and cant remember unyelding damage

rip

[tall torrent]

Bad flak, bad maniac, bad carapace, bad unyielding

[earnest bone]

[tall torrent]

On the scale of 1-10 in terms of being over it’s somewhere in the high 9s

It’s like, without can opener they barely kill anything remotely threatening

[viral bramble]

Zealot

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s 100% psyker

[somber adder]

If played to perfection psyker simply has the most damage to shit out and thus wins

[tall torrent]

You don’t need to play to perfection to do very absurd damage on psyker

They buffed psyker so much in U&L

[earnest bone]

this

[tall torrent]

Went from glass cannon to glass ICBM

[somber adder]

Never meant to imply that. It's just easier to fuck up as Psyker than it is with Zealot so a lot of people think Zealot is more consistent and/or better

What I was trying to say is that games like this boil down to either damage checks or, if impossible, (endless) kite checks so the class with the highest damage potential will always be "the best" in the frame of very minmax win focused thinking

[deft crystal]

which mark of dclaw do i use

to one shot crushers

[tall torrent]

Not on veteran I think

[deft crystal]

which mark is best for vet

the 3rd one?

[earnest bone]

well, Until Death exist

if you play well, that passive alone is enough to help you in case of random f up

like amazing teammate pushing Mr.Bombarda into you or blowing it up

[somber adder]

Yeah and if you play even better you won't need it at all and can use that perk point for more proactive stuff which helps you not getting into situations where you'd need Until Death

[somber adder]

That's fair though

[earnest bone]

Play even better doesn't exist it this game, you are at the mercy of ChatGPT

which decide to when to spawn 60 gunners

or 20 ragers

or maybe 3 bosses on top of that

sometimes things go out of control

also the map

open field maps are easy to kite

[hollow ibex]

love it when some guy joins an auric match with SAP

[earnest bone]

while 1x1 m alleys are a pain da ass

[hollow ibex]

and then proceeds to start hoovering up all the ammo like he's a lugger ogryn

except with a third of the damage output

[ocean moat]

playing with 3 zealots that are relatively competent is just a steamroll

and im left twiddling my thumbs waiting for some far off sniper bc they charge into every gunnerhorde

[earnest bone]

playing with anyone that knows the game is a steamroll, at that point its scoreboard race

but soloing in pub games

ms/auric is a lot of different experiences

[somber adder]

Those instances where the (struggling real hard to find the "name" of the "spawn master lmao) makes it unwinnable are pretty really fucking rare though

You can almost always clutch up

[earnest bone]

that's mostly depends on the map

[somber adder]

Please tell me the name of what the tide games use to manage spawns

I'M DYING

It's not a conductor.

Director?

[earnest bone]

i remember a patch in vermintide 2

it's director yeah

so that patch instead of fixing spawns

like tripled the spawns for elites and specials

increased by 300%*

[somber adder]

Really? That feels so wrong but you're right

[somber adder]

Must have not played back then :(

[earnest bone]

goofy situations and randomness of the matches is the best part of DT

especially hilarious in pubs

[somber adder]

I agree

Just had a match a few days ago where we were in one of the trainstation areas (the downstairs one with the tons of holes in the ground and we had a mutant swarm + horde and if you ever got hit by a muty he would try to throw you onto valid ground but that ground was occupied by a horde so you would just slide off of the horde into the next hole

We wiped so fast

[tiny summit]

Its always funny when you turn a corner into a new section and the sniper awkwardly running away

[night shore]

I'm looking to try a weapons specialist build, any advice for taking shotgun vs boltgun?

[serene orbit]

are helbores good yet? or rather, do they measure up to the other guns

[somber adder]

No

[full nacelle]

they're fiiiine

just clunky and not very fun imo

some people love em

[full nacelle]

definitely do not take boltgun unless you're a masochist! the slow swap time makes it very painful

boltpistol can be decent though

[night shore]

I meant boltpistol, my bad

[dry cloak]

try both if youre rich enouh in supplies

that being bistol and shotguns

[somber adder]

Bistol if you wanna snipe specials in between melee, shotgun if you just wanna blast what's in front of you imo

Really fun playstyle either way though

[night shore]

I'll give both a go, looks fun. Double-barelled shotgun right, not combat?

[tropic abyss]

I mean, if you have the aim they aren't bad but the sights hold them back more than the stats

if you don't consider sights mods cheating then they're good I guess

[somber adder]

Yes

[dry cloak]

try the combat ones

[somber adder]

Double barrel is way more satisfying with weapons specialist

[night shore]

Are the go-to blessings the same on both shotguns? Man-stopper/Flechette? Or Run 'n' gun

[tall torrent]

No

[somber adder]

I think for weapons specialist double barrel man stopper and Flechette

[tall torrent]

Refer to my guide, all of the shotguns want different things

It depends on which specific shotgun you’re going for

[night shore]

Nice, thank you!

[hearty panther]

enter club at age 25, exit at age 30
enter museum at age 30, exit at age 57
goddamn u kuroki

[unborn ridge]

yo for power sword

what are the best blessings?

[tough flower]

Power Cycler + Slaughter is what I do

[tall torrent]

Power cycler + brutal momentum/sunder

[tough flower]

May be a better second

[cosmic terrace]

why does bis plasma gun have such a weird weapon stats ?

do you get one shot extra after you cool at max heat ?

[unborn ridge]

whats the best autogun in ur opinion and what blessings for them?

[unborn ridge]

also ty i saw it in the melee guide .D

[tall torrent]

Vraks V infantry autogun
25% flak + 5% crit chance
Dum dum + deathspitter

Also run the 5% crit chance talent on the right branch above infiltrate

Smth like this

[unborn ridge]

ur amazing

ty

for melee do u recommend powersword? is bleed knife dead?

[tall torrent]

Power sword is strong
Bleed knife is fine, if u what smth like riposte/uncanny + flesh tearer
Issue with knife is that it needs a lot of talent investment to perform optimally if u treat it as a serious melee weapon

[unborn ridge]

i see

so power sword? what variant of it?

also i heard the dueling sword is pretty strong

[tall torrent]

6

[tall torrent]

Super strong
Not very good at horde clear if u care abt that

[unborn ridge]

ahh sure

xD

[tall torrent]

This build is for Rashad III combat axe + Vraks V infantry autogun

[unborn ridge]

oh so for power sword is different?

[tall torrent]

There’s info about all of these weapons’ builds in guide

[tall torrent]

Power sword is compatible but it’s like

Why use budget Rashad when u can afford a real Rashad

[unborn ridge]

so the axe is broken

xD

[tall torrent]

It’s very strong yes

One of the best melee weapons for human classes

[unborn ridge]

i dont have any rashad axe in my game

ehh

[tall torrent]

Scales best for veteran tho

[unborn ridge]

nvm

i saw it

ill level one up then

[tall torrent]

I’d suggest u build one with resources

Axe without specific blessings & perks is pretty cancer to play

[unborn ridge]

ahh i see

[wild vortex]

can anyone recommend me a general purpose ranged weapon for WS Vet? I've been using db shotgun but the lack of long range killing power for specials has proven to be deadly a few times

I know revolver is one option but other than that..

[tall torrent]

Vraks V autogun
Combat axe

[wild vortex]

[tall torrent]

U know the drill

[wild vortex]

fire burst when stacks full and swap back?

[tall torrent]

No

U just play it normally

[wild vortex]

oh

Vraks is the 2-round burst or single shot?

[tall torrent]

Vraks V is infantry autogun

[tame lodge]

Full auto in building

[wild vortex]

ohhh

oh ok I see it in the guide now

huh, what makes it better than CIAG in this case?

[tall torrent]

It is the old Columnus V

Renamed to Vraks V

[wild vortex]

I am absolutely confused

when did CIAG get changed

[tame lodge]

FS trolling

[broken spade]

few weeks ago

[wild vortex]

are you serious, the update swapped their names?

[tall torrent]

U&L update changed a bunch of weapons’ names

[wild vortex]

WHY

[broken spade]

columnus changed to vraks
graia changed to columnus

[tame lodge]

Ciag to Vraks
Graia to Columnus

[wild vortex]

that's so random

[broken spade]

wait until you see people asking about void staff

[reef jewel]

Are there any good builds for the boltgun?

[somber adder]

All of them

[ancient path]

alright if i see two knife shroud zealots in a match, im just leaving

[fast sundial]

born leader recommended over for the emperor?

[ancient path]

me and an ogryn had to fight the rest of the map while two knive zealots pulled and shrouded to zoom through the obj

"no worries guys we'll get the plague ogryn, beast of nurgle and the two hordes."

[somber adder]

Average pub Zealot experience

[ancient path]

just play solo if youre gunna play like that

[tall torrent]

Give your teammates 25~30 extra toughness when you use VoC, on top of passive toughness gain for them from playing normally

Vs
Temporarily boost your team’s melee & ranged damage by 10% (probably won’t change breakpoints)

[wild vortex]

just realized my infantry autogun blessings are at tier 2

[umbral scaffold]

@dry agate im ready to play

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123609304478527539/1125022937519489094/togif-18.gif

[unborn ridge]

what about braced autoguns?

[tall torrent]

Use VIII

[dry agate]

huh

embed failure! laugh at this user XD

[unborn ridge]

is it normal for vraks v to have a sht ton of recoil xD

[hollow ibex]

the IAGs have a hefty amount of recoil, but it's most vertical

[unborn ridge]

whats the best way to level up weaps?

[tall torrent]

no

stability roll problem maybe?

[potent canyon]

Outside of missions, you can bless a weapon to green of the same type and sacrifice it

Buy some greys in bulk, consecrate them once, sacrifice

Just make sure it's the same weapon you are trying to level up when you sacrifice it. Bonus exp that way

[unborn ridge]

i mean

the talents

to get the blessings etc

[potent canyon]

I know, that will give you weapon exp and will grant you levels on the weapon you're trying to unlock the blessings for

Sacrifice as in at sacrifice at Hadron, not discard in your inventory

[unborn ridge]

so its worth

to spend money and level up to commons

to then sacrifice?

[potent canyon]

If you have the resources to spare, it's the quickest way

[unborn ridge]

mm i see it has 76 so

idk

[full nacelle]

Hey guys! Just uploaded my second build video on the Zarona/Lawbringer shotgun

https://youtu.be/a6z9m38S7nw?si=0MYbuZTVf8Po-y1I

Check it out if you'd like

[hearty panther]

ACCEPTABLE

[lusty sapphire]

Ngl the idea of how this works kinda intrigues me

[hearty panther]

i hate to say this after youve published your video and all too but

[indigo lark]

what are best blessings for bolt pistol?

[hearty panther]

ADSing with the shotties does affect its ADMs which means it affects damage drop off (because thats how the game manages damage drop off)

[shell python]

personally id do surgical strike and point blank, whatever that one is

[hearty panther]

which negates a lot of the need for longshot

[full nacelle]

It's a good time! Try it out for yourself sometime!

[shell python]

remember that the point blank blessing buffs all user explosion radii

so your grenades get buffed as well

[indigo lark]

lethal explosion?

[shell python]

yeah

the one that causes explosions on point blank shots

[lusty sapphire]

Unfortunately longshot is just bad for how most engagements happen in this game

[full nacelle]

You might need to explain this to me. Isn't ADS the always optimal way to play combat shotguns from range?

[hearty panther]

theyve really done it dirty

[full nacelle]

But yes Longshot bad haha

[hearty panther]

yea you pretty much always want to ADS it except against unarmored targets (but even then you should be practicing to headshot as much as possible which still makes ADS better)

lemme show u a table rq

[full nacelle]

I was just looking for something to give it a little credit. I forgot to put in the clip of it changing different breakpoints from range...

[hearty panther]

these are old patch numbers tho

wartide hasnt updated

but these effects havent been touched

[full nacelle]

Oh yeah that's basically what I say in the video. Never use primary fire unless you have to.

[hearty panther]

scoped vs. unscoped at 15m

even the body damage changes

path probs knows this better

but my understanding is that the script basically uses ADM for damage drop off values

[full nacelle]

I'm still not sure I'm following tbh haha

[hearty panther]

so anything that also affects ADM values will benefit shots at a distance

since it'll reduce dropoff inadvertently

[full nacelle]

I say in the video to always ADS and that longshot can help a little with the damage dropoff breakpoints

Is thag not the case?

[hearty panther]

just depends on the breakpoints you want

[full nacelle]

I'm at the gym so I'm a bit distracted

[hearty panther]

cause no, you arent wrong

its also an extra boost since it's now less drop off + damage gained from distance

but generally for me anyway, if it isnt in one or two-tap range, im just not shooting it

longshot is too stinky for me

[full nacelle]

Oh gotcha. Yeah I get that.

Honestly longshot is still a tax point

[hearty panther]

lawbringer could really do with 20 extra shells

[full nacelle]

I was just pointing out it's got a little value on that build specifically

So true... the shotguns could definitely use a little love

[hearty panther]

the double barrel kinda stole my heart

thats another thing actually

WHY

do the shotguns have 1.75 stam per second sprint cost

why is it heavier than a fucken thunder hammer

[full nacelle]

Well they have to make up for that massive primary damage when they get close

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hearty panther]

let me get close

thats what the dubbarrel does so well

its revolver fast

[full nacelle]

I'm trying to do slash s for sarcasm but discord wants me to do shrug emoji

Lol

[hearty panther]

close enough really

[full nacelle]

True

[fast sundial]

why do the infantry lasguns

[hearty panther]

i can accept that one

because their entire function is basically stop n shoot, top to bottom thats their design

EXCEPT

for the IV

or whatever its fucken called now, the small one

[unborn ridge]

what weps do u guys recommend

braced or infantry

autogun

also is vigilant bad?

[hollow ibex]

infantry or viligants

braced got kinda overshadowed

[full nacelle]

Braced are still good just a very unique playstyle

The closer the better with them

They are the suppression monsters of the game

[frigid kelp]

Hey guys, theres any guide or community for the veteran class? Like the ogrynomicon for Ogryn on steam

I would like to check the weapon's dump stats and so on

[unborn ridge]

between ifnantry and vigilants

what do u guys thnk

[trim tiger]

tubers try not to be insufferable challenge

wdym rely on frontline. you kill everything bro

[trim tiger]

infantry is more optimal

[unborn ridge]

and u mean the vii

i mean V

[trim tiger]

the small one idk

[hollow ibex]

check pins

[frigid kelp]

Oh, thank you Sirosky!

[fast sundial]

i find boltgun kind of annoying

especially when i watch someone just magdump it every time something vaguely threatening comes by

[trim tiger]

love not playing the game

then a boss and several specials spawn and they become geriatric and dont do anything

[fast sundial]

on the flipside i cannot ever see myself using boltgun

5 year long draw time

3-5 business days for a reload

[hollow ibex]

You must hate the helbore then

The ergonomics isn’t great but the bolter is a lot of fun

And super satisfying to use

[fast sundial]

i love how helbore looks

i like how it shoots

i like the bayonet

i HATE the draw time

but i have to say helbore does hurt my hand with all the stabbing

[hollow ibex]

i can understand why it takes a while to lug a beast like the boltgun into a ready position

but it really doesn't make sense for the helbore

slow motion draw, and then slowly flicking the safety

i just don't use helbores

i also despise the charge mechanic

[lucid carbon]

whats the best gun to use for killshot ready

[austere mica]

Which is that

The penance

[fast sundial]

power sword/rashad

[lucid carbon]

wait melee works???????????

[fast sundial]

it doesn't specify ranged kills

so

[lucid carbon]

bruh fatshark

[fast sundial]

get crouching and get stabbing

[lucid carbon]

i hate fatshark sometimes

[fast sundial]

"have people use this really stupid keystone and kill things at max stacks"
"you mean ranged kills, right?"

"..right?"

[lucid carbon]

time to crabwalk an old mission in mmt

[fast sundial]

[lucid carbon]

i dont want to be a nuisance to my teammates

lmao

[austere mica]

You can also not crab vet

Give me a second

[fast sundial]

unleash the crab

[austere mica]

Spam special shells at horde

[fast sundial]

nuh uh

crab time

[lucid carbon]

does that special shot aoe or something?

[austere mica]

It’s a perfectly flat wide spread

[fast sundial]

it is a spreadshot type thingy

[lucid carbon]

ooo

i still have to stand still for so long though ;u;

im too used to playing this game like a crackhead

[fast sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-people-south-park-gif-25989008

ONE OF US
ONE OF US
ONE OF US

[austere mica]

Not really

Just dump a shell or two and it stacks near instantly

[lucid carbon]

how does shooting the shotgun stack marksmans?

[austere mica]

Headshots

Like

The way the keystone stacks normally

[lucid carbon]

ohhh weakspot kills give stacks tooo

i see

[austere mica]

Oh my god

[lucid carbon]

literally never used this LMFAO

[austere mica]

Why on earth would it require a subnode to actually gain stacks

[lucid carbon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

didnt say that

[austere mica]

It is the first paragraph of the description

[lucid carbon]

no i mean

i didn't say " require a subnode to actually gain stacks"

anyway moving on, ill try the shotgun way

[full nacelle]

whichever one is more fun for you honestly... the game's hardest difficulty can be cleared with the worst guns so don't sweat it

if you want an easy strong weapon for getting into the higher difficulties, the infantry has the best out of those options

the Vraks

[wet ether]

marksman's focus would actually be viable if fat shark would just take away spriniting, sliding and walking

[full nacelle]

don't forget aiming

[hearty panther]

hm

i need a script lmao

"maybe ill just ramble it into a short video"
-15min-
nvm

[full nacelle]

you becoming a Darktuber too?

[hearty panther]

this is just for me

a video on smite

for my own theraputic purposes

because i hate it

[full nacelle]

ahh gotcha

speak your truth king

[hearty panther]

the hard part is

not accidentally wading into the usual smite diatribes

[tropic abyss]

good

[hearty panther]

but i cant necessarily assume that a viewer will already implicitly agree that right click = bad

[tropic abyss]

they're usual for a reason

[hearty panther]

so just presenting my alterantive uses

someone can still just be like "lolz but right click tho"

but then that rehashes all the old ass fucken arguments you get everywhere else

and at that point the video may as well be a "REDDIT REACTS: SMITE TAKES ON THE INTERNET?!?! 😲"

also shut the fuck up sefoni

[severe gale]

oh so very hateful

[hearty panther]

so loud

in my brain

[tropic abyss]

sefoni is okay

weird that they're pairing her with oska

masozi is worse

too cheery

and zola is bipolar

[full nacelle]

I hate Sefoni

[hearty panther]

so loud

[full nacelle]

every time I go into the Psykanium and she yells "YES WHAT?!" at me

it hurts

hurts my little heart

[tame lodge]

Try being a psyker

[orchid hemlock]

would yall run scavenger with the Columnus ∙ Mk VII? 🤔

[tall torrent]

what is the "Columnus" in question
and what's "Mk VII"

[orchid hemlock]

IAG

the new Graia

[tall torrent]

that's VIII

and no tbh

[orchid hemlock]

yes sry

[tall torrent]

V and VIII are kinda interchangeable for builds

[shadow dagger]

regeneration is coherency, replenish is everything else right?

or is it more complicated than that

[tall torrent]

game wording is bad
check my guide & kuli's guides
"regen" is coherency
"gain" is non-coherency

[shadow dagger]

yeah im looking at oggy talent tree

[tall torrent]

ok so

[shadow dagger]

i suppose its better to just ask there

[tall torrent]

the top talent of 5% regen when bracing

that is actually "gain"

it also heals ur toughness way faster than u'd think

lynchpin is "regen"
middle aura is "regen"
heavy hitter subnode is 2x melee kill "gain" (5%/M.kill -> 10%)

the 2 talents on top left that give toughness are "gain"

@shadow dagger

[shadow dagger]

yum

consistent verbiage

[tall torrent]

that talent is actually pretty good

u get 100% of ur toughness back in like 8s

[orchid hemlock]

what about MK1?

[shadow dagger]

shame im never gonna actually use the damage on reload with ripper allat much

ah well

[tall torrent]

not as good as the other two imo
it's more of a DMR/AR hybrid

[orchid hemlock]

because I notice that I run out of ammo more on the MKVIII

since I use it much more than the vraks

[tall torrent]

if u take lynchpin for 25 toughness and have 1 extra point to spare, u could take that + brace gain toughness + 25 toughness instead

[orchid hemlock]

in terms of having it out

[tall torrent]

it does have less ammo

I updated guide to include weapons' ammo capacity (assuming 80% ammo roll)

[orchid hemlock]

I was thinking about something like this, because the vraks is just objectively better with WS i dont have much reason to take it 😔

[tall torrent]

what melee are u running

[orchid hemlock]

shovel

mk 1

[tall torrent]

shovel finesse is ass outside of PA

[orchid hemlock]

i can change it to like PS

or DS

actually DS

wouldnt be bad here 🤔

[tall torrent]

just go with WS

[orchid hemlock]

since I dont have much anti armor

[tall torrent]

non-breakpoint gun, I don't see much point in going specifically for FT

[orchid hemlock]

ok how about this then?

[tall torrent]

works

[orchid hemlock]

and I just take the rashad

[tall torrent]

but I don't think autoguns need survivalist

[orchid hemlock]

I just have been running out of ammo soo often not sure why

[tall torrent]

shoot less

[hearty panther]

ok got it down to 8min

that seems pretty decent

[shadow dagger]

whats the ds movetech again

ive been trying to feel it out but i have not been doing well

slide at the end of the sprint heavy attack when the mini lunge is about to end?

[orchid hemlock]

does the recon MK VIc like FT?

[clever hedge]

unrelated, any advice on the twin boss damnation?

[tough tiger]

Get 2 gun ogryns to deplete boss shielf fast

[clever hedge]

thak you

got mollywopped 3 times in a row

[unborn ridge]

for vrak is there a build like the one u sent me with the axe but that has survivalist?

or is ammo a problem usually

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

no, I dont use survivalist

[austere mica]

2 max hp?

[orchid hemlock]

the problem with taking survivalist is that u need to waste a point to get to VOC, and you need to waste a point to take AE

[orchid hemlock]

yes

is there something wrong?

[austere mica]

are you going for the snipers BP or something

(without HP minor perks)

[undone jungle]

Survivalist got so fucked by nerfs that it's hardly worth grabbing besides hyper efficient lasgun builds or point saving

[orchid hemlock]

yes, but also for PB

[undone jungle]

Your ammo efficiency by having 1 staff psyker on your team is better than having Survivalist it's actually kinda sad

[austere mica]

Unabbreviate that

[undone jungle]

Peanut Butter

[orchid hemlock]

poxbursters

[austere mica]

Neat

[orchid hemlock]

the reason why I took the main stat is because of this:

for some reason HP scales less as a perk than as a main stat

[austere mica]

I utterly disregard those BP's because when the fuck is the only damage I am taking 2 snipers or 2 bursters

[undone jungle]

Since they nerfed flamers and bombers (they used to instabreak toughness) it's normally best to just ignore health% in favor of toughness% maxxing sprinkling in +3 stam when needed

[orchid hemlock]

nah I'm good

[undone jungle]

The main downside of not having any health% is someone unironically grabbing grims

[undone jungle]

Ultimately though nobody cares just don't spam +1 Wounds because it's a meme

[hearty panther]

https://youtu.be/OT1xC1bzDJs?si=UjDk8N97wTsHiGgf

[faint beacon]

Nerfed? You mean fucking fixed them

That was a bug for Ages

[hearty panther]

no that was intentional

i kinda wish theyd bring it back tbh

[austere mica]

Actually good video on smite, nice

Only critique I can give is no actual demo of described techniques in a live environment (or even just an AI psyk test)

[hearty panther]

yea i used to have a twitch vod saved of some gameplay like this but

thats gone now lol

either way i needed this out

for my own mental health

also i dont got shit for video editing

just wanted this out

[austere mica]

Well you can make a demo video and link it at the end or something

[undone jungle]

Eitherway they stopped being a major threat. Back when fire instabroke toughness, toughness was less valuable because it was more temporary. Now it's a lot more reliable so toughness stacking is pretty good. I'm not gonna shame anyone for running hp% though because I'm employed and have a social life.

[austere mica]

Otherwise very good

[sour harness]

anybody have a sniper/lasgun deadshot build they want to share? I've seen some ppl put out some good damage w/ it. It's definitely off meta, but just curious what people run on a build like that

deadshot/marksman focus keystone that is

[austere mica]

I can just make something real quick

[sour harness]

just the gist of it is fine

seems like mostly left side, the usual talents, kraks, and a lasgun w/ weakspot/crit chance type blessings

[austere mica]

2 minutes of thought and effort

pair with a versatile melee like the folding shovels or smaul or something

Definitely a stam curio or two, as well as +stam regen curio perks

[undone jungle]

I do but I'm afk and too comfy in bed to check. It uses the shitty blue lasgun using mods like autofire to make it bearable. Deadly Accurate and Headhunter with I think Unarmoured/Flak for better anti-elite with Mk6 psword. Uhhh I think it dips left side for the headshot toughness DR talent, frag grenade, Scavenger, VoC, middle path for Iron Will, right path for duck and dive or whatever the stamina of dodge is called, left path until Keystone only grabbing the rightermost talent from it if I remember correctly.

Not meta at all but it's fun

I still topfrag but that's because pubs are bad at the game so nothing to be proud of

[sour harness]

ddo you know the lasgun name... Kantrael?

[austere mica]

Scroll up a bit

[undone jungle]

@sour harness This exact one except I use Unarmoured over Maniacs but really it's personal preference.

My build is very similar except I went for VoC because it's OP

I highly recommend an autoclicker or AutoFire the weapon is unusably bad without something like that (FS is ok with autoclickers)

[austere mica]

I like having it on toggle

full auto on 3b can be a bit inconvenient sometimes

[undone jungle]

I use Weapon Customization - No Sight with Custom Crosshair to replace the sight with a floating crosshair. Definitely feels a bit cheaty but it makes it far easier to control since the visual recoil is far greater than the actual recoil (basically negligible it's practically perfectly accurate)

[austere mica]

Oh neat

[undone jungle]

I usually wouldn't go this far with modding cheese but it's objectively a meme weapon

So I let myself just this once

[austere mica]

No sight would be kinda cool because miniature accurate but I also kinda hate inflas

[undone jungle]

Yeah I pretend it's a braced lasgun lmao

[rocky jacinth]

this build should be a good time

[undone jungle]

I weirdly hate every inflas except the blue one.

[austere mica]

why toughness replenishment on MF

[rocky jacinth]

yeah good point it's got ghost on it

[austere mica]

oh weakspot stam

[undone jungle]

Yup

[austere mica]

forgot it had that

[rocky jacinth]

this is better

[undone jungle]

That's why you want it

It makes stam upkeep on blue lasgun actually ok

Every headshot replenishes enough to proc deadshot for the successive shot

Quite nice

[rocky jacinth]

if you have deadshot and don't pick tunnel vision on MF you're griefing yourself like crazy

otherwise it's also amazing for the toughness regen because it affects talent toughness restoration unlike curio perks

with exhilarating takedown + tunnel vison and iron will you can face tank like 10 gunners

[tiny summit]

Tunnel Vision is great. I love counter firing a room of shooters and gunners with toughness replenish nodes. Its funny

[rocky jacinth]

just sit there and pop them

[austere mica]

I have literally two builds that use MF, one is a meme build for the Crusher oneshot on bistol and one is for the MF penance (I keep it for screenshots)

[rocky jacinth]

of course with ghost on your lasgun you're completely untouchable to all shooters pretty much pemanently so it's superfluous

i don't even like MF on lasguns, but i have it on all of my autogun builds

it's necessary for hitting 1 shot breakpoint with the mk7 on certain enemies but it's otherwise a 2 shot which is fine and you save a talent point

(swapping MF for superiority complex)

[wet ether]

do forgive me for saying this but keep their heads down seems like a decent passive

[barren tiger]

am i the only one lagging their ass off

NA servers

[sleek garden]

The other two have low strafe speed

[rocky jacinth]

a lot of people give suppression shit but yeah it's alright

[tame lodge]

Depends on the weapon

[full nacelle]

great with high suppression guns like the braced autoguns

[austere mica]

Its just not worth a point compared to everything else you can get

[full nacelle]

otherwise not really worth it

[undone jungle]

Didn't even realise that was a stat huh

[sleek garden]

You'll feel it when you play with them

[austere mica]

shit wrong reply

[sleek garden]

you move faster while aiming that's the main reason why I use it over the other two

Marksmans focus lets me one shot bruisers to the head too so I can spam fire head level into hordes if I wish

[rocky jacinth]

a lot of weapons have decently high suppression already and some don't benefit from it at all (looking at ghost here), but if you suppressionmaxx you get to walk into rooms spraying and everything just runs

[undone jungle]

Fair. I mainly like blue inflas because with AutoFire and the right build it's ammo efficiency is off the charts and unlike HelBORE lasguns it's fun

Just a shitty near-infinite ammo totally automatic rifle

Pew pew for 80% of the game

[sleek garden]

I use efficiency and ghost on my green one and efficiency and whichever blessing gives bonus power on the first shot

On my brown

[austere mica]

Actually please explode

[full nacelle]

Yep. I have a suppression-based build with the graia braced. Not the fastest killing gun but it crowd controls entire rooms just by being scary af.

[undone jungle]

That's fair. You're pretty much forced to run Deadly Accurate + Headhunter on blue inflas or deal a third DPS you're supposed to lmfao

[sleek garden]

I thought it was pretty high already

[rocky jacinth]

iirc, blue and green do the same DPS, brown has lower DPS but much higher damage

[sleek garden]

I like the brown because it often bodyshots ragers

[undone jungle]

It's a massive difference in TTK from my experience.

[rocky jacinth]

blue has some mobility benefits but the single shot damage sucks ass so it's a pain to use since you miss so many breakpoints

[undone jungle]

I need to actually run brown more often since it is very ammo efficient when built right

[sleek garden]

the only difference I notice is that the blue tends to take one extra shot to kill a guy

But it fires so fast that it doesn't really bother me

[undone jungle]

Yeah you practically don't do damage if you don't beam heads with Deadly Accurate

If you do you two tap Gunners reliably and damn fast

Mainly though I just like it because pew pew fun

[rocky jacinth]

it'll one tap shooters with MF but i can't aim that fast lmao

mk12 is too slow, mk7 is just right and still does the job

[undone jungle]

I'm very used to running that meme machine so I've become very competent with it

[rocky jacinth]

so that's my favorite

[undone jungle]

I will not pretend that it's good

Greenlas is definitely the best. I believe with Opening Salvo it reliably 1 taps Gunners

[rocky jacinth]

i'm sure it does

[undone jungle]

I just... idk. It's so vanilla to me

I need my stupid blue flashlight or I don't feel at home

[rocky jacinth]

but i'd never run anything but ghost + headhunter on it, i don't ever stop shooting for long enough to get opening salvo up again

[undone jungle]

I gotta try brown again though I've seen some cute build using it on gameslantern

[rocky jacinth]

just run into the open, smash that exec button and click heads for the next 30 seconds

[undone jungle]

Vet chat is so chill tonight we haven't had a death threat for hours

Very unusual

[full nacelle]

step on a leggo

[rocky jacinth]

MODS

[undone jungle]

[full nacelle]

a very soft padded leggo

[undone jungle]

[full nacelle]

[undone jungle]

So wholesome big chungus

[wet ether]

recon las gun

mk12

also literally just told someone to quit about darktide complaining earlier and just enjoy the game lol

[rocky jacinth]

that's pretty toxic

[austere mica]

where

[full nacelle]

imagine giving feedback instead of consuming product

[wet ether]

different server

[wet ether]

it wasn't feedback it was actually complaining at supposedly how shitty darktide is

[full nacelle]

I find that most people that don't get into Darktide get to difficulty 2/3 and think that's the extent of the game

[hearty panther]

nurgles troooof, da one trooof!!

toxbombers so good

[radiant pendant]

hell yea

[full nacelle]

Enjoy my guy! Let me know you like it

[radiant pendant]

omg build has shout cant belive luke is a meta slave (/j)

[full nacelle]

it's true

I'm a fraud

[radiant pendant]

just got off work so its nice to have this too chill to

[full nacelle]

I thought I was the only one who liked to chill to random darktide info content

[radiant pendant]

na i like thinking about stuff when chilling so works well for me

2 vids in a row you said stamina instead of toughness

[full nacelle]

yeah I'm a fake fan

really I'm only making these vods for the money

[radiant pendant]

cant belive this

[full nacelle]

respect the hustle man

if my channel was monetized I'd have already made 25 cents in ad revenue

[radiant pendant]

thats crazy i only get 9 from my pay check

[full nacelle]

don't worry my sigma male grindset guide is coming up next

[radiant pendant]

ngl i love the idea of how you did the top nodes

almost never see people take them

[full nacelle]

aw geez

yeah it works surprisingly well with this build

[radiant pendant]

i did a similar thing in my double berral build but just geting the 2 far right for high toughness regen w the primary fire

[full nacelle]

one of my db shotgun builds goes that way

the other one is a meme builds that I can't wait to get roasted for

[radiant pendant]

yea

this build looks very fun

sadly i have no CB shotguns

[full nacelle]

it's kind of a niche build since you kind of need the blessings for the special shots to be good

but I figured I started with the Vraks, time to do something more off-meta

think I might do a melee build next to switch things up

[radiant pendant]

sounds fun

[full nacelle]

it is a real fun time seeing brain bits going all over the place when you're spamming the special shot

[radiant pendant]

i wonder actualy would stability be a good dump stat for it

[full nacelle]

mobility followed by stability

[radiant pendant]

rolled this up think its good or try for another?

[full nacelle]

personally, I have been too busy making and playing new builds to mix-max stats

it's never really affected me too much

so I wouldn't sweat it if you're tight on funds

[hearty panther]

definitely not a necessity

more important is just knowing what your breakpoints are so you can get a better feel

[radiant pendant]

yea good enough anyway

[full nacelle]

yeah the difference is very minimal... it's more of a thing to grind for for fun once you've run out of things to do

[radiant pendant]

yea

[undone jungle]

Depends on CB and usecase

Stability at 60 makes basically no difference on anything except maybe Agripinaa

Refire rate of Zarona/Kant means 60% will suffice from my experience.

Will the extra in Mobility ever help? Probably not

So ultimately it doesn't much matter just pick whichever one you already have imo

[tropic abyss]

speaking of dumping stability, how good would dumping that on the heavy infantry lasgun and semi auto vigilant be?

[undone jungle]

I say maybe because I have no experience using a non 80% Stab Agripinaa

[undone jungle]

It feels awful in inflas. Technically the recoil resets before the next shot but the visual recoil rocks your sight up significantly obscuring target. Assuming unmodded that's a big deal, but assuming modded you can get around it with something like No Sight + Crosshair Replacement

I have very little experience using Headhunters/Vigilant in recent patches so I won't speak on them

Do come back to me on that though since I might start using them more. Maybe on Zealot since the 3 shot burst Vigilant apparently has almost zero standing recoil at 80 stab which sounds interesting

[wet ether]

the loose cannon vet is funny "sticky surprise"

[austere mica]

Helbore smaul kinda balling

it is SO AMMO EFFICIENT

no ammo pickups in 3 games

[slow spade]

finally got called a hacker lol

for checks notes playing normally?

[full nacelle]

Hacking in a PvE game?

Shame

[slow spade]

I think they were mad that I killed gunners in melee

naturally it was a quickplay random

[full nacelle]

Closing the distance on ranged units? Yeah Fatshark will hear about your transgressions

[slow spade]

the funniest thing is it was a Zealot too lol

[full nacelle]

Wow

[slow spade]

the class designed to do exactly that :p

[full nacelle]

Must have been jealous

[slow spade]

true

at least the mission was still a win

they left via menu instead of alt+f4 too so we got a replacement quickly c:

[rugged portal]

Hey, not sure if there's a funding group chat but is anyone on right now who can help me get the "on Overwatch" penance?

[atomic zephyr]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum

[somber onyx]

its kinda bullshit how fun the plasma gun is because i dont want to use other things

just delete every special

[karmic crane]

why not?

actually just saw

[wet ether]

think i can probs intergrate the shotgun into my current stealth build

[fervent quiver]

what shotgun you going for?

[wet ether]

the one thats mentioned

[fervent quiver]

...what is the zarona?

old name pls

[frank basin]

a revolver that shoot 500 damage, does have aim down sight.

300 damage is agripinna the fanning revolver

[wet ether]

lawbringer i think

yeah it is the lawbringer shotgun

[fervent quiver]

Oh

the... shit I'm getting confused from daylight saving

Some times are going forward and backward

[lusty sapphire]

I still do not understand the name changes

[fervent quiver]

Tell me about it

It hurts every time I look at it

[fervent quiver]

WAIT THEY CHANGED THE REVOLVER NAMES AS WELL?

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-5621418030291735983

[fervent quiver]

I still can't identify half the weapons from the new names

As my good friend says, "Truly, what is the point"

[wet ether]

well tried the law bringer

https://tenor.com/view/electric-fan-wind-not-a-big-fan-turn-gif-17397766

[fervent quiver]

In terms of stealth, I would say the double barrel

[wet ether]

what the 1 pump chump when ADS

[fervent quiver]

Highest alpha output besides an agraapina crit bolt to the face

[wet ether]

yeah no lol

[fervent quiver]

But exactly, that's a boy gone

Then you start stabbing

Get that quick reload for the two shots, exactly the same as one shot reload

Ez

Ofc, if we're debating this, go use a zealot instead if you want to fully use a double barrel stealth

But a lot of the shotguns arent... shotgun enough

[verbal burrow]

Realistically the shotguns should not be made danker before they fix the Lucius pattern Lasguns

[tropic notch]

On the mk 1 shovel why do you choose skullchrusher over take a swing? @tall torrent

[radiant chasm]

Idk they feel more realistic then video gamey

Manstopper makes them all blast through a ridic number of enemies

[fervent quiver]

Oh I agree with you

But it does not do it much favors when it comes to super aggro playstyles that you would expect from a video game shotgun

[radiant chasm]

With weapon spec i think you are a super aggro juggler

[fervent quiver]

Tl:dr where the hell is the ks23 I want my ks23 right now

[fervent quiver]

I wouldn't say super aggro

[austere mica]

You clearly haven’t tried weapon spec dbarrel

[fervent quiver]

No I have

But I'm not talking about dbarrel

And I am also the idiot who runs tag dbarrel with shout aggressively, because 5 dodges go burr

[tall torrent]

Because skullcrusher hits harder and applies to more things?

[radiant chasm]

Isn’t take a swing weakspot damage as well lol

And that calculates terribly

[austere mica]

It’s 60% weakspot

[scarlet sun]

Just reached lvl 30 on veteran. Been enjoying it alot, I just can't help that helbore is kinda... underwhelming?

[radiant chasm]

So like

[austere mica]

Precog

[scarlet sun]

I feel like I rely too much on the charge shot to do any significant damage on really anything

[radiant chasm]

20% or even less damage

[austere mica]

It’s precog with a different condition

[radiant chasm]

No mercy killer

Precog is finesse

[austere mica]

I mean in value

[radiant chasm]

But that’s not what i was going for

[placid portal]

Do be its only core mechanic

[radiant chasm]

Shovel isn’t a finesse weapon so 60% weakspot damage only comes out to how much?

[austere mica]

I’ll check

[scarlet sun]

I'm still doing malice atm since I'm leveling up my masteries, whens hould i consider heresy diffculty?
Also I feel like I need at least 70 dmg on the helbore to kill chaff with 1 shot no charge

[radiant chasm]

How it calculates, probably very poorly compared to skullcrusher, decimator, uncanny strike etc

[austere mica]

Looks like 50% or so

So a 30% increase

[austere mica]

You don’t want to shoot poxwalkers with helbore

[placid portal]

The helbore is an elite/special hunting gun, though it dont really have good chaff clear, Weight of Fire will help when you get in the prolonged shooting to gun down smaller and melt bigger fors

[scarlet sun]

Definitely needed that one talent that highlights specials when you actiate the ability

[placid portal]

Depending on marks the breakpoints are variable but blue is probs the most ease of use with its high charge speed

[scarlet sun]

but at that point, why cant i just use the kantreal lasgun :/

[placid portal]

Mk4 helbore with right perks and passives can 2 tap crushers with Volley fire

3 tap if not

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/fethi-kulaksiz-sniper-burak-sevinç-eyfet-gif-14923170

[placid portal]

Helbores have the advantage of 1 tapping majority of special elites

Well mk4 specifically

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/saving-private-ryan-parker-get-down-explode-gif-17902655

Helbore mains when they tunnel vision too hard they die to poxburster

I had a fun fog mission with sniper gauntlet and just counter sniped the snipers for a whole 20 seconds down a hallway

[umbral scaffold]

@floral trail

im asking yous omething

[scarlet sun]

Mk4 is good? I think reddit always recommended mk3s for damage etc etc

i guess it really comes down to stats right?

[placid portal]

Mk4 is my personal favorite bc it hits hard.
Also Idunno what mk version are we talking about. I am talking about the brown helbore

It also has a hoop to align sights

So better at shooting but bayonet melee is crap

Not bad but not spammable

[fervent quiver]

I'm guessing... the mk3 right?

Crap umm... the high damage charge one

Sorry let me go back to the chart

[placid portal]

Yea FS rebranded the names

But I do get it

Might as well call it the brown bore

[fervent quiver]

Too used to mk 3

But yeah, the mk 4 is the mk 3, but technically all of them are usable

way more usable against carapace than the infantry lasguns

[scarlet sun]

the one that slashes or the one that stabs

the one that slashes is pretty bad

[clever hedge]

Ya the charge lasguns do feel underwhelming, you may find the boltgun more to your liking

Hits hard, kills most things in 1-2 headshots

[austere mica]

I just seriously tried helbore and it’s pretty good

Mops up ranged elites and specials and isn’t terrible into carapace, but mainly it just has infinite ammo

[placid portal]

The brown one has mad efficiency vs crushers

[placid portal]

Speaking of which, how effective is armourbane for blue bore?

[tropic notch]

Oh

[tropic abyss]

what holds the helbores back the most are their sights

weapon customisation update when?

[tame lodge]

Good question

8 stacks is what

20% brittleness?

[placid portal]

2.5x 8= 20 so yes

[tall torrent]

mid at best

[tall torrent]

it's not 8 stacks

it's 8~12

based on charge level

75% charge level is 12 stacks

[placid portal]

Go figures

[placid portal]

Buh?

https://tenor.com/view/buh-b-u-h-cat-silly-кот-gif-2242355352608793340

[tame lodge]

💀

So

It's minimum of 8

So t3 max is 10 stacks?

[tall torrent]

Idk, I don’t care about tier3s

I don’t even include their stats in my guide

Since everybody will get tier4 eventually

[tame lodge]

Fair enough

12 stacks are 30 Brittleness

What's the cap on brittleness again?

[tall torrent]

16

[full nacelle]

Hmm might be a bit point hungry if you're running it with stealth but I'm sure you could. Emprah guide ya!

[scarlet sun]

I'm thinking of putting Blessings for increased damage against maniacs and caparice

[scarlet sun]

it's alright, I only got 1 of those drops from a mission. Also got the bolt pistol but i think thats more suited for melee orientated builds i guess

I heard plasma is ez mode, so i might use that once i move up in difficulty

definitely enjoying playing doomguy with the double barrel

[clever hedge]

plasma does feel like easymood at times for sure

just has alot of cleave for a ranged weapon

[scarlet sun]

have that one talent where you melee and theres a chance it'll reload the primary, so you can keep firing the double barrel

i think you need to always have 1 in the chamber for that talent though

[clever hedge]

one of the best builds for double barrel

[scarlet sun]

i think it was mister e's video or somethin

https://youtu.be/FeF6LFKhAf8?si=mgEvb_yFkorjX91-

[tall torrent]

it's not chance based

[left patrol]

Vet with a flamer, cursed

[scarlet sun]

currently reading the class guide in the pins atm

[final hamlet]

With the Infantry Lasgun; whats the difference between Kantrael Mk 12 and Mk 9?

Is it only the bit of damage difference and ammo?

[left patrol]

Fire rate is different on all of them

Blue is fastest brown is slowest green is inbetween

[final hamlet]

Is the blue with its higher fire worth, compared to the others?

[left patrol]

Its personal preference really. Theyre all good guns

[final hamlet]

Thanks

[tame lodge]

How it feels to have a Infernus Recon 14

[left patrol]

Of course. Just try em all out, see what feels nice

[left patrol]

True

[stoic thorn]

What

We are getting flamers???

[tame lodge]

Nah

[cold berry]

yes it's called the infernus recon

[left patrol]

Naw

[tame lodge]

💀

[left patrol]

The 21st sometimes had em too at the beggining of missions

Its just enviornmental

[tall torrent]

Have fun

[abstract stream]

I am sorry for being annoying

Have not played in 6 months

What is the build for a double barrel

[sweet gale]

Dumpstat on bolter these days?

[worldly pulsar]

You definitely want to run Weapon Specialist. WS with double barrel and a Rashad is one of my favorite builds in the game atm

[wild vortex]

Just lacks long distance killing power sadly

[left patrol]

Flakiac, deathspitter and run & gun

[wild vortex]

Kinda hilarious taking out 3 Ragers in one shot though

[worldly pulsar]

I find that it's actually not that bad except for the occasional 500m+ sniper

[wild vortex]

Why would you not take Manstopper when playing WS

[left patrol]

Because i dont use ws

[wild vortex]

Oh fair

[left patrol]

I dont use any purple thingies

Im a perk addict

[wild vortex]

I've heard Vet can do that but my brain can't handle not picking keystones

[left patrol]

Theyre just kinda underwhelming to me

[worldly pulsar]

WS is the only keystone I'm ever excited about, personally

[left patrol]

Ws is the best of the bunch but i switch a lot to reload so losing stacks anmoys me

[worldly pulsar]

Completely game changing for double barrel, and pretty good on Zarona revolver too

[slow spade]

I mean the only way to get the buffs is to swap

[unborn ridge]

yo whats a build to melt bosses like

destroy them

does recon lasgun do it?

[hollow ibex]

bolter

[tall torrent]

Mobility

[final locust]

anything new

???

[unborn ridge]

bolter?

does it oneshot bosses?

[hollow ibex]

uh no

[unborn ridge]

i saw some knife shenanigans

xD

[tall torrent]

There’s no “one shot boss” build for veteran

Knife can’t 1 shot boss either

[hollow ibex]

can thunder hammer one shot weakened bosses? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Weakened boss is like 24k health

[hollow ibex]

what if stealth on headshot

i assume no still

[unborn ridge]

i see but theres melt stuff dmg

right

like the lasgun

[tall torrent]

boltgun can do pretty high boss dmg

[outer grove]

2 Kraks Grenades and a Rock

[unborn ridge]

knife with bleed on veteran is bad?

[tall torrent]

that's mostly just krak dmg

[left patrol]

Yeah but by the time i reload its over. Its just not a keystone for me id prefer more flat buffs that help me 24/7 to ws which only helps me when i swap after kills

[outer grove]

Is it tho

[tall torrent]

flesh tearer not bad
lacerate not worth

[tall torrent]

yea

[outer grove]

[tall torrent]

rock is pretty low unyielding dmg

[hearty panther]

what if we rock u

[outer grove]

I'm just meming for the big guys

[faint beacon]

Lacerate don’t pick up when you can just use the serrated blade talent

Serrated + Uncanny can do some pretty silly things

[outer grove]

Real Vets use bolt-pistol chainsword

[unborn ridge]

i see

[unborn ridge]

what about mercy killer?

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s the combo

[unborn ridge]

and aim for theh ead

[faint beacon]

Mercy Killer + Uncanny with serrated

[unborn ridge]

knife is a left only or

light only or heavy

[faint beacon]

Bleed stacking with uncanny is kinda fucking hilarious

[tall torrent]

Depends

Which variant

[unborn ridge]

mk3

[tall torrent]

You can see weapon combos in my guide

[clever hedge]

its doomguy build on youtube. Should bring up a few videos for 2 barrel vetern

It mainly is about the right side keystone giving you free reload after mellee kill

[knotty veldt]

Is the opening salvo talent based purely on "number of shots fired from mag" or is it 10% crit as long as your still within the first 10% of the mag? eg with shock trooper talent if your constantly critting you would still be within thefirst 10% of the mag even after firing a lot of shots etc?

[severe gale]

i’ve discovered one stagger BP for zealot

mk15 evis needs greivous wounds to rev heavy stagger a crusher

i’m about to go out but i’ll test it a bit more in depth later

[tall torrent]

Your grievous wounds testing journey begins

[faint beacon]

Falter testing just to see what the hell gets effected by it lmao

[severe gale]

despair

[tall torrent]

U should actually go check grievous wounds

That’s way more useful than falter

[severe gale]

at least loadout config was updated

which will make testing much easier

i’m really only going to bother with ogryn and rager stagger BPs methinks

they’re the only ones that matter

[hearty panther]

any weapon with skullcrusher

[tall torrent]

Just do what I did

6 enemies

Mutant, bulwark, crusher, mauler, both ragers

[faint beacon]

Yeah but like Useless info is funny no?

[severe gale]

mutant stagger is stupid

[tall torrent]

U can do both

[severe gale]

and i don’t want to bother with it

[abstract stream]

Ended up doing some auric runs

I think crit + "headshot turbocleaves" talent is insane

Its clearly not an optimal weapon and reminds me of gunraker dwarf in v2

But you can basically shit out 30+ kills per buckshot blast once hordes start clogging up

[unborn ridge]

what does PA mean?

[tall torrent]

Push atk

[severe gale]

push attack

there’s a section with all the acronyms

[tall torrent]

I highly suggest you read the first section “terminology & mechanics”

[severe gale]

in the beginning

yea

[verbal burrow]

So, uh, is zealot chat always so strange?

[tall torrent]

There’s a reason I have it highlighted as “must read”

[severe gale]

manstopper and scattershot?

yeah that’s ideal vet shotgun

[abstract stream]

Yh

If you get lucky in a mag you do in fact kill 5+ ragers

In one spread

Its incredibly funny

[clever hedge]

true maybe not optimal but cinamatic as can be

[severe gale]

also that’s not headshot cleave, it’s critical shots

[abstract stream]

I think this might be the most gratifying vet build so far

[severe gale]

it is optimal

[verbal burrow]

Ur optimal

[severe gale]

i’m

swag

[abstract stream]

I generally dislike the entire tree of guns on vet except the shotguns
On that note did some runs with uhh I forget the name, "tight spread and alt fire is a pinpoint accuracy brick" shotgun

That one feels real nice

Thunking bombers and watching them ragdoll never gets old

[hollow ibex]

Agri shotgun is fun

It’s like running a black powder musket

[unborn ridge]

for the talismans or stuff that u wear

what are the usual good stuff to have