veteran-class

[frank basin]

“Eat this” -scab gunner 30m away

[inner temple]

Thing is I take heavy swing keystone over the feel no pain and feel no pain for my heavy swing.

[full nacelle]

I need to give it another shot. I wasn't really a fan of any of the Ogryn's melee weapons.

[frank basin]

Tauntgryn kinda horde killing

[full nacelle]

Shield was cool in concept but it got real boring just charging heavy attacks all day

[frank basin]

But not good on elite horde?

[inner temple]

Its not bad. I actually recommend bully club or mace. Because its funny

[full nacelle]

I think if I go back I'll have to try pickaxe

[inner temple]

Or cleaver cleaver is also funny

[thorn torrent]

Man, I really want to try that pickaxe.

[inner temple]

Its great ngl

[full nacelle]

it's the only melee besides shield I kind of liked

[thorn torrent]

So awesome looking lol

[frank basin]

Branx pickaxe kinda fun

I can one shot mutant with heavy

2-3 headshot on crusher

Down side is slow

[wild vortex]

you can oneshot Crusher with Branx

with no buffs

[inner temple]

Its fun and I use it on my feel no pain heavy build. I use special, light then heavy swings to have CC

[frank basin]

If I build up mastery rank I can get some blessing

[wild vortex]

only Thrust 3 stacks, Carapace and elite damage perks and full left side tree

[inner temple]

Otherwise just heavy heavy

[wild vortex]

yeah you need Thrust 4 for it, true

otherwise it leaves it alive with like a pip of health though bleed would kill it off

[frank basin]

Only rank 8 on pick rn

Man I hate ‘eretic with gun

As ogryn

They smol scatter around map shoot at you

Chipping your health little by little

As vet it be no problem for me

[thorn torrent]

It's very convenient to have such willing meat shields.

[frank basin]

Ogryn rumbler be my problem

I use rumbler blast the horde

So fun

[inner temple]

This is so irritating and you need someone to take them from range either that or you do.

[thorn torrent]

I don't understand the proclivity of just rushing in all directions that pugs seem to inspire in this game lol

Everyone scatters. I try to stick with Ogryns so I can stand behind them

[hollow ibex]

i saw some diamantine, so i will risk life and limb to pick it up

[thorn torrent]

LOL

[inner temple]

Thats me

On T4 maybe even 5 sometimes it works

[ocean moat]

its so fun to crunch an entire shotgunner horde

the crunch is the best part

[inner temple]

Haaha CRONCH

[formal hamlet]

Which version of combat axe was best and which blessings / perks do I want?

[umbral scaffold]

what is the best keystone for vet?

[full nacelle]

depends on the build

If you have a good gun for rapidly clicking heads with good finesse scaling, Marksman's Focus. If you're running a mostly melee or hybrid setup, Weapons Specialist. Focus Target is generally the most well-rounded.

[inner temple]

Yurp

[umbral scaffold]

alright, thank you

[hollow ibex]

rashad, unarmored/flak + headtaker/brumentum

[inner temple]

I personally just enjoy focus target Its basically my main

[orchid hemlock]

WS

Because fuck shooting

Rashad

[tame lodge]

MF because boom headshot 🏃‍♂️

[lone yoke]

what's the best gun for killshot ready penance? I don't want to be a crab-man. please help

[umbral scaffold]

what is the best blessings for the accatran lasguns?

[verbal burrow]

I do dislike it when a guide video becomes popular and teaches people bad things

[verbal burrow]

Depends on your school of thought, but I run Deathspitter and Dumdum

[tall torrent]

Carapace instead of flak

[full nacelle]

Yeah I'm all for quirky off-meta builds but there's a difference between that and just giving people wrong information

smite psyker is not a playstyle

[umbral scaffold]

what is the best melee for carapace and flak armoured enemies? i dont want to keep using boltgun and plasma for everything

[full nacelle]

you can use smite, you can optimize a build around getting the most use out of it... spamming smite on poxwalkers when your teammates are trying to funnel the enemy into a chokepoint is not good

[full nacelle]

duelling sword

poke em in the head

[verbal burrow]

Nothing wrong with Smite Psyker as long as you don’t spend the whole game in it

[full nacelle]

yep exactly

but RealAsianRobot made an entire build where he goes "so all you're gonna do is spam smite on anything that moves"

[verbal burrow]

Cringe

[hollow ibex]

oh oops

wait i need to check what i'm running

[slow spade]

poor 😔

[tough flower]

I've been grinding this penance with plasma gun

I hate the weapon but you can stack 100~ kills for the penance without too much effort every match

[broken spade]

just embrace crab gameplay

crab powersword gaming is a rite of passage

[candid agate]

i get these 2 errors trying to get into darktide

[thorn torrent]

Verify your game files, imho

Something on their side of things is preventing you. Gamepass?

[severe gale]

go into carnival solo, (use MMT or just have a friend join then leave), and before the second demo charge wall, the door on the right, crouch with a rashad or psword, melee the door

you’ll get it in like 30 minutes

i got that and the stealth penance at the same time

[candid agate]

i play pc

also verified files a couple days ago

[lone yoke]

I'll try that thanks and after that there's the last one of all class penances - karking krak grenades

[dawn garnet]

have you done something ban worthy?

[clever hedge]

Easier to do with certain modifers on auric

Can get packs of maulers and crushers with one krak when they bunch up

Save some time

[lavish token]

Post your console log

[severe gale]

go into civi maelstrom’s (scab only mostly melee) and bring full grenade regen, if you’re lucky, you’ll have this happen

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iZhZnSZA0R8TmA2_Z

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/imposter-tf2-it-could-be-you-it-could-be-me-spy-gif-23428031

[lone yoke]

That looks awesome. Thanks again!

[severe gale]

yah of course

[low wagon]

I'm back! Would you consider following: 24 unarmored shooters, 8 unarmored gunners, 4 ragers, 2 reapers, 2 maulers, 2 crushers mixed together to be more representative sample for Recon targets?

I did three attempts for each gun and averaged the results
mk12 infernus - 46 seconds avg, 35% ammo reserve
mk14 infernus - 52 seconds avg, 35% ammo reserve
mk14 deathspitter - 60 seconds avg, 42% ammo reserve

mk12 infernus example
https://i.imgur.com/mDyMi4v.mp4

mk14 infernus example
https://i.imgur.com/WUo4duX.mp4

mk14 deathspitter example (cut to keep mp4 < 60s)
https://i.imgur.com/7gvhzZl.mp4

The issues are deathspitter doesn't build up on mid-range targets (that's realistic, practical gameplay downside) and its stacks drop very quickly (e.g. during reload) - so Infernus still usually comes ahead.

[tall torrent]

Recon has a reload tech that gets u ~1s reload so deathspitter only really ever drops outside of combat

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985983134275366943/1299199528263614584/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.10.24_-_22.27.54.02.mp4?ex=67263899&is=6724e719&hm=ba9d7db7e97492ee251679335832068997a061e58e1a308868fe24b9b4ba5afa&

What talent tree did u go for this time

With onslaught?

[low wagon]

cool, and how do you input that...?

[tall torrent]

Sprint + forward, immediately cancel forward

U do this immediately after u tap the gun to remove battery pack

[low wagon]

I'll try it out in a moment, always good to learn sth

Same build for every tested Recon, this:

[tall torrent]

I thought I made it pretty clear why onslaught is super situational

[candid agate]

not in recent memory, i dont use mods that are cheating and i dont insult my teammates that often or horribly so

[candid agate]

dont know how to do that

[low wagon]

I on the other hand still think it's invaluable in some situations and having it is worth 3 points

Anyhow, comparison was done with the same build so, I focused on Deathspitter vs Infernus - both benefited from Onslaught

Thanks for tech! I got it down in psychanium, but I don't how reliably I will be able to perform it in hectic combat...

[broken spade]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[candid agate]

i tried playing twice and both times it worked

then some other stuff happened and i didnt get an oppurtunity to try restarting computer

[tall torrent]

Nah, the thought process should go smth like this for recon lasguns

Do you have a strong anti-armor melee weapon?
Yes -> no onslaught, run XIV
No -> Do you want a strong anti-armor melee weapon but it needs points into melee?
Yes -> no onslaught, spec into melee, run XIV
No -> Do you have to run a Recon Lasgun?
Yes -> XII + onslaught
No -> Boltgun executioner’s stance

[formal cradle]

so plasma gun does not necessarily go boom and down you at 100%? how exactly does it work?

[tall torrent]

Don’t use charged shots

[formal cradle]

use them never or just not when heat is high/100% ?

[tall torrent]

Never use them

Plasma is exclusively a left click headshot gun

U use it to snipe specialists, ranged elites and thin out rager/mauler waves before engaging in melee

[clever hedge]

If you overcharge and hit 100% during or after the shot it blows up

[broken spade]

charged shots cost 3x ammo

just never do it

[formal cradle]

so the right click charge is just badly designed and nobody really uses it?

[broken spade]

yeah

idk why we have to spend so much more ammo when we're already paying for it in time and heat, and it's not even that much stronger

[clever hedge]

Lore accurate design, but yes it simply is not worth it

Maybe if you hit a pack of crushers in a line? Try to get a triple kill with it

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t happen because carapace blocks cleave

[clever hedge]

Oh good to know

[ocean moat]

mebe i should try pladmagun

plasma

[clever hedge]

It's good 👍

[tall torrent]

It’s a strong weapon but it’s also the hardest weapon in the game to perfect roll

So if u care about perfect rolls, I wouldn’t recommend it unless you have mountains of resources to spend

[broken spade]

if you're poor, just charge rate dump

[tall torrent]

And it’s not even the best gun on veteran, it’s at 4~5th best

[clever hedge]

Hard disagree there

Plasma is vets strongest gun

[tall torrent]

Nah, there’re better guns

[clever hedge]

At least of most recent patch

[broken spade]

revolver

[clever hedge]

But vet has some of the best options in game outside plasma

[tall torrent]

Do u know plasma breakpoints

[clever hedge]

Not off hand

[tall torrent]

There’re better guns than plasma

[broken spade]

i still haven't gotten around to retesting plasma breakpoints after the patch

i think i can maybe ditch using a perk for dreg gunners using rising heat

[tall torrent]

It’s simple

Do you run superiority complex?
Yes -> elite + flak/maniac
No -> unarmored + flak
If you run superiority complex, which breakpoint do u care about more?
Flamer 1 bodyshot non-crit -> elite + maniac
Scab mauler 2 bodyshot (crit/rising heat stack variable) -> elite + flak

[severe gale]

it’s really funny how that’s ur trump card

mega nerd

[tall torrent]

It’s really funny how every single person I’ve come across who thinks plasma is the best gun in the game doesn’t know what it actually needs

[broken spade]

i do use superiority complex
I used to use it with elites for dreg gunners

i'm wondering if rising heat makes the elites unecessary for them now

i think maybe 2nd shot and beyond might not need the perk

[severe gale]

it’s not the best but it’s braindead and really strong

with a good build, you don’t have to think

[tall torrent]

Ya, top 4~5th best gun for veteran

But u know how strong the other 4 are

[broken spade]

vraks, revolver, bolter, recon? haven't tried recon this patch

[tall torrent]

Yea

Revolver is actually playing on easy mode

Plasma at least cares about headshots

Revolver u can just 1 bodyshot crit ragers

[severe gale]

bolter is so stupid

[arctic rampart]

Petition : revert vraks back to columnus, its a better name

[broken spade]

we do have something named columnus still

old graia i think

[tall torrent]

Vraks V is still insane
Recon has better sustain dps than autogun for elite waves & way better uptime cuz of the reload cancel tech
And Boltgun is uh

The only consistent way to out-damage a competent exe stance Boltgun vet is EK surge m1 lmao

U basically have to EK surge m1 to beat it in damage

[broken spade]

bolter needs to be noticeably broken so my teammates don't yell at me when i steal all their ammo

[severe gale]

to back this up, i dropped 730k damage without really trying

on my second game

with bolter exec

this was also my second game on vet in like

[clever hedge]

@broken spade that zeolet really needed auto pistol rounds though

[severe gale]

3 months

[tall torrent]

It’s literally “what if gunlugger actually killed things outside of ult”

[severe gale]

yeah lmfao

balance!

[broken spade]

i love it when i'm playing with friends and someone asks "who needs the ammo?" and we're all low
and i can just say "i'm running bolter" and everyone understands

it used to be the gunlugger ogryn that would get that treatment

[clever hedge]

Rip gunlugger

[severe gale]

let gunlugger die

tbh

it’s smite but with ammo and boss kill

skilless holding M1

[clever hedge]

Never, he still carrying all the ammo

He just needs like double

And better BLO

[tall torrent]

Nah he needs a gun that actually kills things outside of ult

20 shots to kill scab rager

[broken spade]

tbf gun ogryn ults a lot

they just need all of the teams ammo

[tall torrent]

If u take BLO ult CD yes
But Gunlugger is fundamentally limited by ammo more than CD

[broken spade]

i honestly hate playing gunlugger because of the ammo thing

not a fan of being that resource reliant

i know i said i hog ammo with bolter too, but vet at least feels a lot better to play melee when out of ammo

[tall torrent]

Well yea cuz veteran has actually good melee weapons

[broken spade]

ogryns will fight you with their 1 good melee

[tall torrent]

Ogryn has Karsolas but Karsolas really wants headtaker + slaughterer + heavy hitter
Which you’re never getting on a Gunlugger build

And the elite-kill efficiency of Karsolas drops by like 2.5x

Goes from 2 hit crusher to 5 hit

[shadow dagger]

did they specifically tweak the kill ragdoll physics for oggy rock or have I just not seen that kinda thing elsewhere yet

[broken spade]

people will show clips of melee ogryn crusher one shots or gun ogryn boss melting but forget to mention you can't build for both and there isn't really an in-between.
Meanwhile vet can just build to do everything and be reasonably strong at all things

[shadow dagger]

like hitting hounds midair with anything other than rock makes em just sorta die pitifully

other than, like, that one time I saw a hound die to bleed mid jump

bounced off the top of some stairs and flew off into the skybox

[uncut pebble]

Or thrust + headtaker to hit crusher 1tap bp.

[low wagon]

Is it correct though...? If I run Elites + Flak / Maniac + Superiority instead of Unarmored + Flak, I don't reach breakpoint for 1-headshot-kill on dreg gunner...

[vocal magnet]

what's currently one of the go-to voice of command builds?

[umbral scaffold]

is toughness or health better for vet?

[low wagon]

Weapon / Tree

[vocal magnet]

thanks

[tall torrent]

u also need redirect fire/fire team + 2x 5% ranged dmg

check my guide

What this means is that unless ur willing to give up breakpoint consistency, survivalist + WS basically is not a thing for plasma

[low wagon]

k, so that's the difference, thanks - on this build I'd rather go Unarmored / Flak and have Weapon Specialist to reload plasma

[tall torrent]

Then u have to give up survivalist

Because this is just not enough to 1HS flamer

[broken spade]

would rising heat be enough to work instead?

[tall torrent]

Yes, you can get 1 stack after 2 shots

U can decide for urself whether that breakpoint consistency matters

[low wagon]

I guess I'll shoot son-of-a-bitch twice! Or try out how Json suggestion plays out

[tall torrent]

But usually it comes down to
Do you want survivalist?
Yes -> focus target + redirect fire
No -> fire team, get weapon specialist

[broken spade]

if you tend to press F at the start of fights for the buffs, the very first shot getting screwed over is not as big of a deal, so maybe it'll be fine most of the time

[tall torrent]

I think consistency matters a lot

For a gun like this

[broken spade]

or they'll just crit first shot anyways cause weapon specialist

[broken spade]

yeah but think of the situations where you'll be at low heat:
At the start of the fight
and
after meleeing a bunch

these are both manageable because of other buffs they can activate

[tall torrent]

The other half of the problem is
If I go WS, I just happen to miss some elite breakpoints on my Rashad
Unless I also take fire team

[broken spade]

I mean personally i run focus target on plasma anyways, but i'm just saying rising heat missing breakpoints when low is a solveable problem

[vocal magnet]

is blaze away worth taking for plasma?

[tall torrent]

Rising heat actually gives more breakpoints on top of redirect fire

[tall torrent]

If u want to magdump it for some reason, yes

[tall torrent]

It’s a solvable problem if you’re willing to give up 100% consistency

[broken spade]

just have for the emperor up 100% of the time, ez

[tall torrent]

I wish the 3 red nodes would stay active during exe stance

[broken spade]

same but you know how insane that would be

[tall torrent]

What would be insane about it

[vestal widget]

do you get them again when you recast while it's still active

[vocal magnet]

i'm guessing since charge rate is the dump on plasma you mostly point fire it?

[tall torrent]

No, it doesn’t have a dump stat

All 5 stats matter

[vocal magnet]

ah, i was basing that on the build someone shared above

[tall torrent]

I have the details listed in my guide

Ideal distribution is 80 damage, 80 stopping power, 80 ammo, 71~72 charge rate, 69 thermal resist (as long as u get 8 continuous shots from 0 heat)

[broken spade]

at this point there should just be a pin specifically explaining plasma

[low wagon]

But if you are not getting ideal distribution, dumping charge rate is the way to go

[tall torrent]

I think if you don’t have the resources to spend for a perfect plasma but u still rly want to play plasma, dump thermal resist

Because charge rate = firerate = better feeling gun = dps

[vocal magnet]

i'll check out the guide, thanks

[tall torrent]

That 1 extra shot from 69% thermal doesn’t matter for when you shoot at high heat

But if u care about a perfect roll plasma

Then good luck

[low wagon]

Mmhmm

[broken spade]

plasma gun stats maintaining the tradition of being cursed to build around

remember back when it used to affect damage?

like you could actually lose damage from charge rate

[vestal widget]

i know someone who was rolling for a perfect plasma then lol

[broken spade]

it was fucked up.
it was something like, 72 charge rate losing damage on uncharged shots compared to 71 charge rate

glad they fixed that

[vestal widget]

you needed to have exactly 73 charge rate, numbers to either side had less damage

[vocal magnet]

well, i got 70 charge rate, 71 thermal, that'll do lol

i don't think i'll subject myself to more rng

[broken spade]

oh i found it
yeah it was 73, and 74 screwed you

[vestal widget]

the charge rate ~ damage thing no longer matters now because they fied that so charge rate no longer affects damage

[tall torrent]

Good enough
Now let’s hope hadron doesn’t change ur stats during empowerment

[vestal widget]

i love floating point summation i love floating point summation i love floating point summation

[broken spade]

this is the most evil bug in the game

[vocal magnet]

lmao, it changed

[low wagon]

They are also supposed to deploy rounding "fix" for existing, maxed weapons in near future - I'm sure they won't be any problems with that...

[vocal magnet]

67 charge, 74 thermal now

[tall torrent]

Yikes

[vocal magnet]

top tier video game

[broken spade]

watch all weapons with over 380 total just end up with 0

brick every weapon we own

[tall torrent]

I hope they just fix the problem and not touch fully-built weapons that already went through empowerment

[vestal widget]

Has anyone re-tested stam curios btw

[low wagon]

immeasurably complex

[tall torrent]

410 or higher is true 3 stamina

[vestal widget]

so all 410s? cool cool, cheers

[low wagon]

don't fucking tell there are not +3s that look like +3s...

[vestal widget]

yeah

[broken spade]

yeah game is bad

[vestal widget]

they used to be 75 rating, and then they changed the rating system so i didn;';t know which of my grey stam curios were real or fake

[tall torrent]

The other half of the problem is that
I think a system that can only display integers for stat distribution
Probably shouldn’t be using decimals in the backend

[vestal widget]

all the stats numbers are floating point under the hood and get rounded to whole numbers

[tall torrent]

Because a 61 may not actually be 61

It can be 60.5 which is displayed as 61 because it rounds up

[low wagon]

FATSHAAAARK...

argh

[broken spade]

And it doesn't seem like mods can show us what they are.
I asked in the modding server and it seems like they're pre rounded floats by the time they get to the client

[analog yacht]

stamina very well could be different though

this is from digging through code

I was working on a mod to display decimals on weapon stats

[broken spade]

tldr it's rounded on the server before it even makes it to us

shit game

[analog yacht]

but what I'm saying is that it might not matter, at least for weapon stats

[broken spade]

is that unrounded or is that rounded and just off because of floating point precision?

[analog yacht]

oh wait i see what you mean

mb

[broken spade]

because that's a lot of decimal points

[analog yacht]

anyway still

[torn acorn]

can you not take back blessing points?

[analog yacht]

has anyone demonstrated damage variation between two displayed 80 stat weapons

[vestal widget]

i suspect it's summed because it shouldn't be having that much numerical error from the small amount of repeated summation when empowering but i am not a floating point understander

[analog yacht]

you can't but mastery leveling is super fast

[torn acorn]

why fatshark why

ı didn't know better

[analog yacht]

it's nbd honestly

[vestal widget]

if you have a lot of dockets, buy out all the greens/blues in shop and feed it to the mastery machine

[low wagon]

It's 1 game for 2 mastery levels even last ones

[broken spade]

floats just have some error because of how numbers are stored in binary.
Think about it this way, base 10 has error with displaying 1/3, because we can't store 0.33333...
binary has the same issue with plenty of numbers

[low wagon]

Or buy greens 9k dockets = 9k mastery xp

[torn acorn]

wait do we get all of them in the end?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[broken spade]

some numbers are just very impractical to store

[torn acorn]

oh ok then lol

[tall torrent]

Except electrokinetic staff where it’s bugged and has 4 extra

[torn acorn]

ok ı was worried for nothing ı'll just prio the ones recommended on the guide first from now on

[vestal widget]

yeah but i feel like it shouldn't be doing nearly enough summation to drift that much. you empower like .... 20 times max maybe and the numbers aren't like, adding very very small numbers to a very large number? I feel like fp addition doesn't usually drift by that usually under those conditions

this is within like normal stuff ppl do with fp math without needing kahan summation etc

[analog yacht]

funnily enough weapon base stat isn't calculated from weapon stats, but instead like this:

base_stat_rating = total_rating - trait_rating - blessing_rating

upgrading weapons to like 80/80/etc./61 could be bc of this

idk tho I haven't debugged the crafting empowerment

[broken spade]

oh, yeah the error with empowering or rounding probably isn't from floating point error
I was only pointing out floating point error to explain the weird numbers modders were getting when they checked the real values

[vestal widget]

ohh right yeah

[analog yacht]

ok I found it

Items.calculate_stats_rating = function (item)
    if item.baseItemLevel then
        return item.baseItemLevel
    end

    local rating_budget = item.itemLevel or 0
    local rating_contribution = Items.item_perk_rating(item) + Items.item_trait_rating(item)

    return math.max(0, rating_budget - rating_contribution)
end

[vestal widget]

huhh

[analog yacht]

btw I'm not throwing shade at fs. I'm sure they have a ton of wonky technical debt to work around here

I will throw shade for them trying to implement my crosshair fix mod but doing it wrong tho

[vestal widget]

their engine problems also don't sound pleasant, as a dev

although not quite as ridiculously bad as the xenonauts guy

[analog yacht]

coding all this shit in lua is nightmare material tbh

I don't envy them

[broken spade]

oh you made the crosshair fix mod

nice, i use that mod

[analog yacht]

they were so close to fixing it too 😔

[vestal widget]

Our choice of engine was the single worst decision we ever made. Playground SDK 5 is a 2D engine
primarily designed for casual browser games such as Diner Dash. It is not supported by its
developers, does not include the source code and is no longer even available to download.

I can scarcely think of enough bad things to say about it. It contains a number of serious bugs and is
missing several key features that would be considered standard in any other game engine, and we
cannot fix or add these things without the source code. Anything in Xenonauts that looks low-quality
or poorly-made is almost certainly due to a problem with the engine.

This engine was chosen by the first coder that (briefly) worked on the project. It was a terrible
decision. Had the planning and prototyping been done properly, we would have quickly moved to a
different engine as Playground SDK is plainly not suitable for a game like Xenonauts. Instead, we laid
bad foundations and then spent the next five years struggling to build atop them.

the xenonauts 1 thing sounds like a nightmare

The second major issue was a poorly-planned codebase. The code itself was written by competent
programmers and is more than adequate, but it was never assembled to any defined overall
structure or shared conventions - the ground combat and strategic elements of the game were
coded separately by entirely different programmers, then joined together about three years into
development.

they didn't know to iterate to an actual game engine soon enough so they laboured through and produced a game on some kinda unsupported nightmare engine.

[vestal widget]

what didn't they do

[low wagon]

I didn't want to interrupt your discussion so, I'm asking the practical question only now:

So there is a risk, that this fucking 400 is not really +3 Stamina? But 410 and above should be alright?

[vestal widget]

apparently

so the fake stam curio bug was having the right amount of stamina in the psykanium

[analog yacht]

the widget uhh, I guess not an object bc it's lua but the widgets automatically scale to 1080p

[vestal widget]

and thent he wrong one when you loaded into mission

[analog yacht]

so if something is given size 50 it'll be 50 pixels on 1080p and 100 pixels on 2160p

[vestal widget]

so you can check yourself if you want to count all your stam bars in mission during the start of mission run against what you should have

[broken spade]

that reminds me, i haven't actually checked all my stamina curios...

can't wait to find out my curios were scamming me

[analog yacht]

Basically for spread you calculate the % of the way from center of screen to top edge of screen with the equation tan(spread_radius)/tan(vFOV/2)

then you gotta scale that by 540 pixels, bc 540 pixels to the top of the screen

and they didn't do that last bit

[vestal widget]

.. ah

[analog yacht]

instead they scaled most crosshairs by 370 pixels and assault by 555

it's still an improvement over their old method which was turbo wack

but a proper crosshair implementation requires you to remember trigonometry and let's be real lmao

i'm a nerd about math so I know how to do it but your average programmer isn't gonna remember trig

[tall torrent]

Do the in-game native crosshairs still have problems

I just run rapid fire crosshair for everything

[vestal widget]

times i've used trig at work since graduating:

[analog yacht]

in-game crosshairs are way smaller than real spread bc they use 370 instead of 540

I don't have updated comparison images on the mod page

maybe I should do that

[primal zealot]

And a happy helloween morning after to all you shooties ! Hope it was good

[ocean moat]

gimme plasma gun build

[arctic rampart]

@ocean moat what melee do you use

[slim terrace]

what do i want on knife for vet?

for hoard clear, mostly

[ocean moat]

typically psword or shovel

[arctic rampart]

@slim terrace see the pin in this channel

[slim terrace]

theres way too much in there, dude

[tall torrent]

Navigate to knife page

Table of contents -> melee weapon overview -> knife

[arctic rampart]

with psword and plasma you want weapon specialist, voice of command. 3x ability cooldown on curios, at least 2 stam regen.

[tall torrent]

Idk why/how that can be incredibly difficult

[analog yacht]

fixed/vanilla

[slim terrace]

uncanny + reposte

[tall torrent]

That’s not what I wrote

[arctic rampart]

with shovel + plasma you can probably go middle tree focus target + redirect fire, voice of command still

[tall torrent]

That’s not my document

[slim terrace]

just tell me, please
im not looking at 12 pages of crap

[analog yacht]

it's more noticeable w/ larger spread

[ocean moat]

thanks

[low wagon]

I think I'm going insane... what the relation between stamina and displayed stamina bars?

[broken spade]

that's your stamina

[arctic rampart]

platonic but sometimes with benefits

[tall torrent]

@slim terrace

Idk why this gotta be so difficult when it’s 3 clicks away

[slim terrace]

i cant read that

thats way too damn much

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike / riposte + flesh tearer / precognition / mercy killer

[slim terrace]

cool, thank you

[tall torrent]

What’s so difficult

[analog yacht]

lol

[slim terrace]

you people make this way too damn complex, next time just tell me what to use instead of directing me to a fucking artical.

[low wagon]

without talents or curios I have 5 bars on vet; why is it 5? how much base stamina is that?

[severe gale]

“you people”

lol

[slim terrace]

vets

psykers and zealots dont do this shit

[severe gale]

we absolutely do lmfao

[tall torrent]

It’s 5 different good options based on preference

[severe gale]

look at the psyker athenum

[arctic rampart]

FYI that word is spelled "article" not "artical".

[slow spade]

reading is too difficult for the average vet

pls understand

[tall torrent]

You’re the one making it difficult because u can’t click thrice and read

[arctic rampart]

When making a point to dismiss people its probably a good idea to spell words properly so you don't get typecast as one of those

[broken spade]

i'm pretty sure it went worse when you asked zealots about knife

[slim terrace]

yeah, but yall will actually tell me what to do instead of direct me to a 20 page artical im not going to read.
im autistic, you overload me, i dont work anymore.

[slow spade]

that's not our problem

[analog yacht]

i mean i understand a giant word doc being a bit overwhelming but it also has hyperlinks to go directly to the info you want

[tall torrent]

It’s a single page that’s 3 clicks away

[arctic rampart]

I think there's a search in it even, so you just search for the weapon name

[broken spade]

honestly my only issue with the doc is that the page can barely load on mobile
microsoft and their laggy as shit webpage

[tall torrent]

Open document, scroll 1 page to “table of contents”, click “melee weapons”, click either of the 2 knife UI icons

[slim terrace]

of which i couldnt find. i didnt know what they were telling me to look at. just give me pictures

[broken spade]

i try to jump to a part on mobile and then it randomly jumps around as i try to read a section

[tall torrent]

On mobile I’d suggest u either open in MS word app (it still sucks ik)
Or use print -> save as pdf

[broken spade]

i'll try pdf next time then

[analog yacht]

the browser ctrl f doesn't work tbf

[arctic rampart]

Thats true, and windows 11 doesnt come with jack or shit that's useful

[tall torrent]

I can’t fix MS’s problems but I’m not gonna bother to try to familiarize myself with steam guide functions when MS word has more features going on

[arctic rampart]

If you download it then you can search

[ocean moat]

@arctic rampart does this look good for shovel plasmagun?

[tall torrent]

Needs some changes

[ocean moat]

well list em

[tall torrent]

What perks do u have on ur plasma gun

And what purpose do u want ur plasma gun to fulfill

[ocean moat]

elite clear

& boss damage

[tall torrent]

Bring a different melee then

[ocean moat]

?

[severe gale]

i’m going to guess
1 (maybe 2) sub nodes removed from FT
swap BID for rending? unsure,

spec slightly into right side tree

[tall torrent]

Plasma gun is pretty mediocre at boss damage and it’s not worth wasting the ammo

[ocean moat]

brother explain why you say to change stuff

[ocean moat]

then what about elite clear

[severe gale]

it’s great at elites

but if you want boss kill ur gonna want something like a knife or axe or somethin

[ocean moat]

ok

and is 79% stopping power enough for any breakpoints or do i NEED 80

[tall torrent]

Usable enough

[low wagon]

with combat axe I have 9 stamina bars displayed
with devil claw I have 10 stamina bars displayed
why?

[lusty sapphire]

Because they give different stamina modifiers?

[tall torrent]

Because DC sword is +4 stamina

[broken spade]

different weapons have different stamina

[tall torrent]

Combat axe is +3 stamina

[arctic rampart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d636682-05c5-4095-bf2b-0829bf62bc9d/shovel-plasma something like this I guess, move around points however you prefer

[broken spade]

there's an inspect button in your inventory

[low wagon]

and that's even written in the game!
I would never expect that

I just checked your guide and concluded, well it's not even there

[lusty sapphire]

That fatshark for you

[tall torrent]

It is written in the game

[arctic rampart]

I'm personally trying out 3x ability regen, 3x stam regen, 3x sprint atm in curios w/ dueling sword. I like the combination of fast weapon + sprint for being able to kite and move dynamically but dunno if its optimal.

[slim terrace]

good?
cause it felt okay on aruic

[arctic rampart]

I thought I'd miss gunner resists but I don't pretty much at all

[hollow ibex]

That feels totally overkill

[low wagon]

a lot of stamina is good, but it might be too much if you are just using it for movement and not attacks (melee, ranged)

[low wagon]

I'd say 2 stamina regen and 1-2 sprint would be enough for kiting and occasional blocking

[covert urchin]

New to vet, what’s the best gun for continuous fire throughout the mission without having to switch to melee too often? I’m running the infantry auto gun right now and only using melee when I’m out of ammo or there’s only a few stragglers

[hollow ibex]

Infantry las or recon, but you really should get used to melee

This isn’t a shoot-only game

[low wagon]

so check that 400 stamina curio and it really gives only +2 bars in mission, but +3 bars in psykhanium
what a scam

[broken spade]

bad game

[slow spade]

rounding funny

[covert urchin]

Yeah I know I try not to be stingy with ammo even if I’m almost out but i don’t really wanna melee since I’m an Ogryn main that’s all I really do

[hollow ibex]

If you only want to shoot all game there’s psyker too

[covert urchin]

Like a psyker gun build or those little spikes they be shootin

[hollow ibex]

Staves or assail

Psyker gun ammo economy sucks

[covert urchin]

Ooo I might try that I forgot they have those

[broken spade]

yeah a psyker staff build can just shoot all game and do really well

[verbal burrow]

You really want to spend the whole match shooting?

I would recommend a recon lasgun with the ammo aura and the ammo crit trait, then, but it is not a good idea

You do want to have the tactical flexibility to switch to melee to deal with a horde, and switch to ranged to deal with Specials and Elites

As an aim properly and kill your target in one shot kind of guy, I prefer the boltgun

[slow spade]

M1 Psyker build

[final locust]

love when games go

"i know you have your graphics settings where you want them, but we've got a new system that just decides whats best for you, so we're gonna fuck all your settings up"

[arctic rampart]

plasma gun with weapon specialist and always prepared. but you only want to plasma elites, specials, or big clumps in a line. if you also use survivalist and melee a lot you'll not have to reload often

[slim terrace]

i was pinged, its gone now

[arctic rampart]

I don't think always prepared is worth it bth, but it is fun.

[floral hearth]

@slim terrace it wasnt me, but here's another ping

[slim terrace]

lol

[clear lantern]

I can go through most levels that aren't like H.I.S.T. damnation/auric on an 80% ammo Agrippinna infantry Autogun and not have too much of a problem; I switch to melee for crushers/armored ragers because it doesn't penetrate their armor too well, but for hordes/elites it does the job with frag grenades

sounds good, feels good, hits good

it does pull up, due to the kick

[tall torrent]

Recon Lasgun / infantry autogun

[floral hearth]

braced autogun, use special attack as melee

[clear lantern]

butting a groaner with a braced autogun feels good; solid knockback while you reload; the vigilant double-melee kills a groaner

but you can press it in such a way that you can spam the power attack from it

[verbal burrow]

Gezellig

[quaint kettle]

So where does the 71 charge time 69 thermal resistance stat come from?

[austere mica]

69% thermal is the BP for one more shot before forced vent from zero

[quaint kettle]

its 8 shots from 0 with 69 right?

How much is it from 80?

[austere mica]

exact same I think

[quaint kettle]

its just a strange number for a breakpoint so I'm curious about it

[austere mica]

Otherwise it would be a charge speed dump

[quaint kettle]

managed to get one with 71 thermal 69 charge so I think thats close enough

just wanted to understand what was important about that number

the one im using now has ammo as a dump since I got it from emperors gifts and been meaning to get off it

oh just who I was looking for

[floral hearth]

dont let the number people talk you into anything, it's just because they wanted a meme number on a meme gun

[tall torrent]

69% thermal resist gives u 1 more shot when firing continuously from 0 heat so you get more damage out at the start of fights
Since going above that number doesn’t change #shots fired continuously, any excess is wasted
This means the remaining points for charge rate (affects firerate therefore dps) is ~71

The actual %thermal resist breakpoint is somewhere like 68 + decimal

But for safety sake it’s better to get 69%

[rocky bramble]

guys dont fall into this sillyness... we're talking about differences in milliseconds or less with this whole charge rate thing. get 80's in all stats and 60 in charge rate. it will make no difference whatsoever

[umbral parrot]

Alright... I just tried Low Profile, and as awesome as it is, does it ever feel like it does not activate sometimes?

[dusty nacelle]

What's a good melee to deal with hordes?

[umbral parrot]

In my opinion, Power Sword.

[dusty nacelle]

I thought so, was wondering if that changed

[umbral parrot]

I love it too much~! Brutal Momentum + a swipe and poof, everything's dead.

[dusty nacelle]

So what would be best? P. cycler, bromentum, flak + unarmored with mobility as the dump?

And is PS6 still the better one?

[floral hearth]

no dont, you'll make the fulltime auric maelstromers foam at the mouth

[floral hearth]

i recall cleave targets being the dump stat?

at least, ive seen it here before, take it with a grain of salt

[dusty nacelle]

oooh okay! I still need to learn how the new crafting system works anyways so

[floral hearth]

its fine

its just that when Psword is powered up, you'll cleave through all already iirc

so cleave targets would only apply unpowered i reckon

[hollow ibex]

you can dump mob or cleave targets

[low wagon]

I'd say Rashad - very fast and you chop numerous heads every swing

[hollow ibex]

rashad is also a very good pick

and it's funny seeing the heretic heads go pop

[umbral parrot]

Still need to use that axe. But i know for it's really good.

[floral hearth]

be sure to get brutal momentum

[slim terrace]

what perks do i want on bolt pistol?

i got puncture and surgical rn

[floral hearth]

or whatever the no hitmass on weakspot hit blessin is

[tall torrent]

This is incorrect, there’s about 8.5% firerate difference between 60% and 71% charge rate
It’s definitely noticeable

[arctic rampart]

Lots of options, but keep in mind most of them need a particular setup to be good at horde clear.

brutal momentum in particular is amazing for horde clear

You can make anything work though. E.g. I've been using dueling sword mk4 lately and its totally fine for horde clear. Definitely worse than the top tier though.

[analog yacht]

ds4 is bottom tier horde clear

but yeah rashad w/ blessings is godly horde clear while also being good at everything else

heavy sword is good horde clear

[fading yarrow]

I've finally conquered the Scab only, mostly melee Maelstrom

[analog yacht]

ps is too but it's very unsafe

[fading yarrow]

Heresy difficulty

MkIV DS absolutely chewed them up

[hollow ibex]

PS isn't too bad, the actual window of vulnerability is short

[analog yacht]

ps doesn't do well under high pressure

that charge up plus losing charge if you take a hit is brutal in high pressure scenarios

[hollow ibex]

i've used PS a lot, and it's totally manageable

you do have to be careful, it's not brain off like rashad

[analog yacht]

I'm not saying it's unusable, just that you won't be clutching up with it

[hollow ibex]

def doable, though depends on the situation, as is the case with any weapon

[analog yacht]

There are more situations where PS can't clutch up than a higher safety weapon

[umbral parrot]

You can 100% clutch with the Power Sword.

Especially if you're good at sniping out high priority targets as well as being able to line your head shots.

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean it's still one of the best melee weapons even if janky

[umbral parrot]

And which is also why i always go 80% movement speed. I know it's not the most grand thing ever, but you need every bit of mobility.

3 3 3 Stamina also helps since i block a lot in between charge ups sometimes.... and also push stab is awesome~!

[hollow ibex]

i dump mobility and it's still not an issue

[analog yacht]

it's normal to dump cleave on ps

[umbral parrot]

Yea, but i cannot! It's the reason why i go Weapon Specialist as well.

[analog yacht]

3 stamina curios?

[umbral parrot]

Of course!

[analog yacht]

🤔

[hollow ibex]

old sword, and mobility is honestly fine as a dump

[umbral parrot]

I do 3 3 3 on all but my Ogryn class.

[analog yacht]

yeah it's fine as a dump

[hollow ibex]

i know some people will prob hate it tho

[umbral parrot]

I mean, Power Sword is good regardless! ! !

[hollow ibex]

ok that's kinda crazy to me

[analog yacht]

+9 stamina is highk trolling tho

[hollow ibex]

yeah i only do 9 stam if i'm going full meme

[umbral parrot]

Hmmph as if. You know what's trolling? Me having to baby sit everyone in Auric Maelstrom.

Damn people and their noodle legs!

Also, unlike other Curious, the Power Sword's Push/Stab is AMAZING~! ! ! So i need as much Stamina I can get to kill elites as fast as possible lol.

Like, it actually helps me kill more.

[analog yacht]

lowk people who dedicate their whole build to 'baby sitting noobs' aren't getting their W's bc of that strategy, they're just getting carried themselves

[hollow ibex]

bro literally never gets hit, so hp/tough curios are just unnecessary

[analog yacht]

5head

[umbral parrot]

I'm fairly sure i can let them die and still continue on. I've practiced a bit of soloing because every so often, you will be alone. But I have this nack in the back of my head that always tells me to save them even if they're in a tough spot.

I am not saying it's unnecessary either. But.... 3 3 3 Stamina! If you melee a lot, it comes really in handy.

[tall torrent]

Find a buddy and play duo private

[umbral parrot]

You offering?

Also, one last thing about reviving.... i have a guilty pleasure on reviving people on fire too. I'm sorry, but it's funny~! ! ! x3

[thick oyster]

Just happened to me on Xbox,finished with 8 deaths cause these guys kept going down. Not too big of an issue just find something that will be strong while alone.

[umbral parrot]

Yea, I know i can save a talent by not saving their butts, as well as 3 Perks too... but I do it because i'm a nice guy i guess lol

[tall torrent]

I can play in a bit sure

[umbral parrot]

Won't stop me from making fun of them, but i'm here to bail them out no matter how bad they are.

[thick oyster]

I feel the same way, hard to be selfish sometimes

[umbral parrot]

I'm going to blush. x3

But yea, regardless, I like my playstyle.....

Now i wish my playstyle fit better as #ogryn-class..... they nerfed FNP and my Bull Charge. I like the pickaxe and all, but.... I don't want to keep using that all the time!

The Power Sword on the other hand is fun! ❤️

[tall torrent]

I don’t remember them nerfing Bull charge

[umbral parrot]

No, but they used to have the bleed that mopped the floor with trash mobs lol

They nerfed the Bleed because it was bugged or something. But they did mention the fix in a patch note.

[tall torrent]

Yea but then they turbo buffed trample

In the same update

[tall torrent]

Do u still want to play duos

[umbral parrot]

Yea sure, let me leave these guys. Sorry pubs!

Wait, you're NA?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tall torrent]

It’s fine u can finish

[umbral parrot]

Too late. Hit me up.

[tall torrent]

What difficulty do u want

[umbral parrot]

Auric Maelstrom?

[tall torrent]

What maelstrom is it rn

[tall torrent]

Sure

[umbral parrot]

What's your Fatshark number thingy? I have to figure that out again too.

[tall torrent]

I can’t find u

You’re 3355094506?

[umbral parrot]

Should be unless it changed on it's own.

Yep, 3355094506

Did not change

[tall torrent]

Uh oh

I forgot to turn on private

Whatever

[umbral parrot]

Lol oh well. Let's give these pubs a win then.

[gilded wraith]

What were the perfect plasma stats?

[hollow ibex]

Perfect is 69 thermal, 71 charge rate, 80 everything else

[umbral parrot]

80 on everything else, 60 on charge.

My go to.

@tall torrent Have we ever... actually played together by chance on pub?

DAMN that was good.

[tall torrent]

I don't think I've played with u before

[umbral parrot]

Wanna duo now?

[tall torrent]

sure

[umbral parrot]

Let's rock!

[fading yarrow]

Just heard my male Prof Vet say "Witch is throwing the fight!"

Is that a new line?

[broken spade]

wow no shock troop auric damn missions and only maelstrom is hunting grounds

this sucks

[slim terrace]

hey, my friend is going to be doign a challenge that melee specific and is looking for a build to help with it

[tall torrent]

@umbral parrot

[fading yarrow]

Full right side tree tbh

Tons of melee damage, attack speed, crit, etc

[lavish token]

Bots still alive….

[empty galleon]

Is there another weapon similar to the revolver? Or am I missing something with the guns in general? I can only seem to kill special enemies with the revolver and everything else I have tried does very little damage.

[austere mica]

Thats because zarona is heinously powerful

[radiant pendant]

agrapina too

[empty galleon]

So it is basically the only good gun in the entire game ??

[radiant pendant]

no

[wet ether]

Ahhh fuck man that is funny as fuck

[austere mica]

If you want something similar but different try the bolt pistol, Headhunter (vigilant) autoguns, plasma (gods forbid), slug shotgun, or helbore (if you can prep shots well)

[elder fiber]

most other guns not killing multiple specials instantly doesn't mean they're bad, it means zarona is cheesy

[empty galleon]

I have tried the bolt pistol but the ads seems glitchy for that?

[primal zealot]

Nothing wrong with a gun that requires you to actually aim it

[austere mica]

The revolver just happens to be very strong due to its combination of Rending and crit access, along with decent cleave and actually fucking MASSIVE projectiles + big enemy headboxes for the gun

[wet ether]

I just got banned from a dragon age discord server stating my opinion that veilguard isn’t as bad people think my only gripe with dragon veil is mixing real world politics with video games

[austere mica]

Oh gods

what do you mean

By "real world politics"

[empty galleon]

It is the best I have thus far, this revolver on veteran. I tried the other guns I have in the testing area but they are utterly anemic in comparison

[stoic thorn]

God I hate hunting grounds

[austere mica]

Probably because they are RATING 100

[radiant pendant]

well i wonder why

you barely have anything

[clever hedge]

bolt pistol will probably be most comparable

[wet ether]

There a questline about some trans stuff I won’t go into full detail about it but safe to say one of the characters is and I quote “transitioning”

[empty galleon]

Apparently the guns are not shared between classes

[austere mica]

THAT ISN'T POLITICAL

[radiant pendant]

yea but progress is

[radiant pendant]

some people think it is for some reason

[primal zealot]

There was something like that in cyberpunk but I completely spaced out on most of the dialogue just cus I wanted the truck

[elder fiber]

being a minority in a videogame is political obv

[primal zealot]

I didn’t even know what the bumper sticker meant

[austere mica]

If transitioning is political call me the fucking president

[empty galleon]

That makes sense, I have the revolver level maxed out on the psycher which let me pick the good perks

[austere mica]

"good perks" 1/4 (not blaming you)

[clever hedge]

bruh she mentions it, thats it

[empty galleon]

But so far I have played the game for 32 hours with just the revolver

[radiant pendant]

yea you will get better stuff with time just give it a bit

[wet ether]

Supposedly that’s what I’ve read on the steam

[clever hedge]

ya part of the grind of the game

[radiant pendant]

another good weapon is vraks inf AG

[austere mica]

Then why are you judging it like that

[empty galleon]

Apparently the grind was worse before but I still do not like it now

[austere mica]

There is almost zero grind compared to old DT

You can just

[clever hedge]

oh ya it was pure luck prior to locked and loaded

[primal zealot]

It’s called the Columbus and it will always be called the Columbus

[radiant pendant]

it was 10000% worse

[primal zealot]

Fuck

COLOMNUS

[austere mica]

drop maybe 100-200k dockets and find a perfect base, then spend a few missions worth of stuff to max it

[primal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-sus-gif-2558655191726498734

[drowsy aspen]

Sadly trans stuff has been made pretty political - I think it depends on how it's presented, but most of the time I'd expect a questline about transitioning to sorta be a political storytelling choice

[wet ether]

Because purchased the game on steam and sunk some decent hours into it already

[radiant pendant]

yea but at the same time you dont want to confuse new people

so use the new name

[primal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[austere mica]

I meant the """"""political""""" stuff (that you have only heard about vaguely)

[radiant pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[wet ether]

My man don’t shoot the messenger ok

But overall it’s a good game veilguard is

Some small animation gripes

[elder fiber]

the messenger that got banned for comments on "real world politics"

[primal zealot]

Uhhh real world politics are canonically part of 40k

[radiant pendant]

at the same time we dont have context so no reason to assume

[primal zealot]

Ofc they’re the worst parts of the lore

[austere mica]

Oh right I forgot about why they were complaining in the first place

[primal zealot]

Which I why I don’t pay attention to that junk

[radiant pendant]

they are talking about a different game

[austere mica]

We love satire of the Thatcher era politics

[frank basin]

what's dragon age?

[primal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/please-be-patient-kanna-hat-gif-18334654

[gilded rock]

Mfs will say a media isn't political while it has the most obvious metaphors known to man

[austere mica]

RE: metal gear

[radiant pendant]

yea ik i feel the same

[gilded rock]

Been wanting to play that game

[wet ether]

Bro you think I was complaining?

[tame lodge]

Welcome to the "Zarona is OP broken needs nerf" club

[austere mica]

I mean it looked like complaining

[primal zealot]

Yea lol like 40k and warhammer fantasy isn’t full of commentary on the human condition or pretty obvious stereotypes

[wet ether]

I wasn’t if I was complaining I’d be swearing

[clever hedge]

We should draw more clear distinctions between pandering and politics in media. Media has always made statements including political ones but discourse on such things is muddled in vague langue

[radiant pendant]

Ranek please help the vets are getting political

[primal zealot]

Which tbh I appreciate. Gw and the makers of warhammer games have a certain degree of self awareness in their humor

[wet ether]

@austere mica my pal it’s true and you damn well know me well enough cause of how long I’ve spent in this vet chat

[austere mica]

I might be dense (in general)

[primal zealot]

Insofar as their interpretation of the lore and how said interpretation is implemented in the game

[empty galleon]

They should just buff all the other weapons as everything is too spongy anyway

[austere mica]

But you are going a bit hard on this one

[wet ether]

Sorry about it all the same those if it seemed like I was complaining I wasn’t

[clever hedge]

Bolt pistol buffs then?

and it is NP

[empty galleon]

I am trying one now and it still kinda sucks

[radiant pendant]

give vet a 500kg bomb

[primal zealot]

Do you have levels on it ? Good perks and whatnot ?

[wet ether]

Heh what is this helldivers

[primal zealot]

*500lb

[stoic thorn]

We call in masozi for a strafing run

[austere mica]

I love having BP propaganda on hand

[radiant pendant]

ik what i said

you think we are all in the usa?

[stoic thorn]

Why are you american

[radiant pendant]

(i am)

[austere mica]

Actually bad opinion

[wet ether]

Oi @radiant pendant what is this helldivers

[clever hedge]

You are not immune to BP propaganda

[radiant pendant]

yes

[empty galleon]

No my veteran is level 10 and bolt pistol mastery is at 0 along with every weapon in the game excluding the revolver which is maxed out

[primal zealot]

It’s our world and you’re just living in it lmao

[primal zealot]

Well then that’s why it feels bad

[stoic thorn]

Your vet is level 10???

[primal zealot]

Also jk I swear I know what a kilometre is I speak French

[stoic thorn]

Why are you fr*nch

[radiant pendant]

of course a weapon will feel ass at lvl0 with a lvl 10 vet

[empty galleon]

I got around this problem on the psycher by just using the abilities the entire game

[primal zealot]

Yea at lvl 10 every weapon will feel like shit

[radiant pendant]

ew

[clever hedge]

that is alot of france

[primal zealot]

Feel free to use this one lol

[stoic thorn]

Top 10 things to do in france:

[radiant pendant]

leave

[primal zealot]

Be me

Be somebody who meets me

[clever hedge]

Try to leave

[tame lodge]

Well Psykers ability just have high damage from the start

[clever hedge]

Meet someone who left

[wet ether]

Anyways back to the grind of darktide

[stoic thorn]

Erm what the sigmar

[wet ether]

Y’all have a good one

[radiant pendant]

yea

[primal zealot]

Seething br*ts detected

[empty galleon]

Yes, and only the ogryn seems to have a high damage ability with the rock throw

[stoic thorn]

I'll be taking a break from darktide

Doing lethal company

[silent cloud]

I once meet a french talking shits to temamates in Darktide

[primal zealot]

Oh shit is that one any good ?

[stoic thorn]

Mainly because I get to torture people with Thick of It

[stoic thorn]

Lethal?

[primal zealot]

Yea

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/ksi-thick-of-it-gif-9696360309122991759

[stoic thorn]

It's a very nice game

[primal zealot]

It’s been on my list and it’s on sale

[stoic thorn]

It's pretty good tbh

Can be very comedic with friends

[primal zealot]

Hmmmm I suppose I’ll get it

[stoic thorn]

And shit your pants horror when you're solo

[radiant pendant]

very

[primal zealot]

My credit card bill can’t hurt me if I don’t look at it

[wet ether]

Ok I only know one person who says that pookie that you bro?

[stoic thorn]

Who

[clever hedge]

damn right, credit debt can't get you if you dont know you have it

[stoic thorn]

Who tf you calling a pookie

I'm a minor

[wet ether]

ok never mind just know a friend of mine who says that

[umbral parrot]

Is that what happened!?

[stoic thorn]

Put down the baby oil sir

[tall torrent]

Yea

[lavish token]

why were the bots alive

[umbral parrot]

Cus they're that stronk!

[tall torrent]

I’m too lazy

[wooden moat]

the hell you doing outside the caves

[stoic thorn]

Dude I'm in the caves

[lavish token]

just write 3 lines in mmt and you can disable them

[umbral parrot]

Was that the case!? I thought you wanted them. I could have left them to die! ! !

[stoic thorn]

WiFi gets better as I go down

[wooden moat]

cmon now, that lithium isn’t mining itself

[tall torrent]

I sent u a friend request in game, gg

[umbral parrot]

GG

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s fine

Doesn’t matter in the end

[wet ether]

Ok this chat just got weird

[umbral parrot]

Yea, regardless.... DUDE

YOUR GREAT! ! ! !

MAN!

[primal zealot]

Lmao I managed to turn like a ~$300 bill into a couple grand cus I legit forgot I had that card

[clever hedge]

oooooooooooooffffff

[stoic thorn]

Foolish

[wooden moat]

idc how “immoral” child labor is, better get my money’s worth

[clever hedge]

feels bad

[tall torrent]

U did great too!

[primal zealot]

Wells Fargo was not amused by my explanation

[umbral parrot]

I'll accept once my screen is done loading

[clever hedge]

they never are

[lavish token]

weakspot and crit chance?

[stoic thorn]

I'm 3000 dollars in credit card debt (credit card debt)

[umbral parrot]

Yep

[primal zealot]

But also wtf the only reason I used it was cus there’s like 2 shops on this planet that don’t take Amex

[umbral parrot]

For boss damage, as well as an overall damage spread.

[tall torrent]

Idk what he was running lol, he did pretty good tho

[lavish token]

for boss damage yet no unyielding

[wet ether]

Literally know a friend of mine on steam who name is quite literally “Pookie Bear” and man says this most of the damn time also plays space marine 2 the man does

[umbral parrot]

Yea, I have to snipe out Crushers too.

YOU KNOW, I know what i'm doing! Lol

Like... my build is unorthodox, but damn it I am good.

[wet ether]

Shit you not this is the truth

[lavish token]

just throw on carapace and unyielding at that point

[wooden moat]

basically the equivalent of making the most horrifying ogryn and naming it “CutiePie”

[umbral parrot]

But then I would get no crit against Maniac! ! !

And if a Rager is up against my face, I need to Push/Stab with an uncharged weapon.

[lavish token]

ragers only become a problem if you have poor positioning

[wet ether]

…..I see a bad idea forming in my mind

[tall torrent]

I’d recommend elite + maniac
Gives u the same crusher 2HS but ur PA can 1 tap mutant in the head

[umbral parrot]

B-But my boss damage! x3

My Plasma is not cutting it too.

[lavish token]

is basically unchanged with weakspot

[tall torrent]

Also don’t bother with PA vs ragers, it doesn’t stagger them and is pretty risky

[lavish token]

coal maps

[wooden moat]

honestly was imagining making a black ogryn and naming him “Huell Babineaux” only to realize you can’t make em black

[tall torrent]

10% weakspot is negligible for boss damage
Trust me on this one just go elite + maniac

[umbral parrot]

HMM~! ! ! Fine... I'll go for Elite. That is something that is annoying overall.

Also, here's my build in case you're wondering.

[lavish token]

I inspected you

[umbral parrot]

Regardless, yea... this was fun!

[umbral parrot]

Also, how to accept? Lol.

[frank basin]

was ya play on maelstrom?

[umbral parrot]

Of course!

[frank basin]

social

esc > social

[tall torrent]

Social -> invites

[lavish token]

which maelstrom tho

[frank basin]

friend

[tall torrent]

I-III

Ascension riser

[lavish token]

double ew

[frank basin]

I don't perform well on maelstrom

if the player can't carry themselves

i have habit of "save your buddy syndrome"

[umbral parrot]

Same

[frank basin]

that get me killed

[lavish token]

I do not have that problem

[umbral parrot]

Do i hear a Trio soon with me and @tall torrent~!?

[tall torrent]

I’m getting off

U guys can play

[umbral parrot]

Dang.

Also, I still don't see your invite. 😦

[lavish token]

I am renaming all of my weapons and playing hud sim until i pass out

[umbral parrot]

Oh well, i'm always here anywho.

[craggy minnow]

Is hellbore rifle good?

[umbral parrot]

Anywho, i'm still a badass and a beast.

I need a shirt that says that....

[frank basin]

they okay

just use One motion talent

and it be good

[umbral parrot]

ALSO SEE~!

[round gull]

what are good full-auto weapons? I want to use it with executioner's

[umbral parrot]

3 3 3 Stamina is not a meme build! ! ! !~!!

[craggy minnow]

Recon lazgun

[frank basin]

Columnus vrak one fast firing short barrel (it kinda meta that point)

[round gull]

Ill keep this in mind

[tall torrent]

bath.rawr is me

top right

[umbral parrot]

WOOH~!!

[frank basin]

his name Rival bath.rawr

[umbral parrot]

Hit me up whenever you're up for a game. Duo, pub, whatever.

But i'm curious to see how well Dorn can handle himself now~! >:3

[pliant gust]

anyone got advice on how to do the penance on overwatch

[frank basin]

prove of challenge

[frank basin]

go melee vet if there ogryn, ask them for protection, stay sharp, play low difficulty like low intensity

[narrow frost]

Voice of command, low intensity malice

or cheese it

[frank basin]

did overwatch penance lower difficulty?

i done on damnation

it say heresy or above

[pliant gust]

ive only just stared playing so think ill try on a lower difficulty

[frank basin]

ifyou start playing, try level it up

[pliant gust]

is it possible to cheese it? been struggling try to do it legit

[frank basin]

max your character is first thing

[narrow frost]

yes

[pliant gust]

how so

[narrow frost]

jump off the map

and someone else complete the mission

[frank basin]

not sure does that work, i forgot

[pliant gust]

i hope so

[narrow frost]

it does

already done it like that atleast 30 times

[pliant gust]

so like just jump off at the start? but then wouldnt you need to be revied like in the middle of the mission

[narrow frost]

Jump off at the start, done be revived for the rest of the mission

[pliant gust]

oh i thought like once your able to be rescued like you stay in that spot till someone helps so they can just run past you to the end and youll respawn closer to the end?

[inner temple]

Yes and I feel the easiest way is to collect skill by going through more difficulty heresy is good for starting I feel either that or T3 (malice?) then go to T5 I'm still getting my loadouts settled lol

Sadly highest you can go till 3-5 lvl is T2

[midnight totem]

my heart can't fucking take this

two teammates dropped out, one halfway, one at the beginning of the finale. They died like, twice each

auric htsg on the Void

so it fell to me and this chad of an ogryn to kite around the enemy for ages doing the objectives and using the bots as cannon fodder

[oblique sparrow]

How good is the shotgun on vet?

[midnight totem]

It's great

Unless you're fighting carapace

Agrippina is the most useful, it's special ammo is a slug

Basically a revolver shot

Lawbringer (I forget the new name) is arguably a great crowd deleter with its wide special ammo shot

Kantrael is an oddly effective meme tier weapon with its special shot which inflicts burning, and goes through Bulwark shields

[oblique sparrow]

what should I play it as?

My current build is a ranged squad hunter

But it seems worse than a lasgun

[hollow ibex]

they're pretty meh right now

[wet ether]

A shotgun meh? Ahhhhhhh

https://tenor.com/view/i-couldnt-agree-more-john-krasinski-saturday-night-live-youre-absolutely-correct-thats-right-gif-20212746

[hollow ibex]

they can be fun but yeah not great in terms of actual power

[round gull]

executioners is goated because I get to unload into whole crowds

need more survivability

[wet ether]

Well shit turns out there is some political crap behind veilguard…..if reddit is to believed

https://www.reddit.com/r/gamingnews/comments/1gh5lja/dragon_age_the_veilguards_clumsy_preachy/

[woven oak]

A story-focused game having themes and conflict? Oh no.

[wet ether]

Laughable yes

[woven oak]

This just sounds like bad writing, based on the article.

[full nacelle]

a character goes and does pushups as punishment for accidently misgendering another character and goes on a speech about how saying "I'm sorry" is wrong because it makes it about them, not the person they misgendered

I think it's best we don't talk about it

[woven oak]

Bad writing transcends politics.

[full nacelle]

imagine have any sort of nuance

couldn't be californian writers

[woven oak]

Bad writing transcends states, too.

[full nacelle]

true that

[woven oak]

Also, Bioware isn't even in the US.

[earnest bone]

BioWare is a Canadian video game developer based in Edmonton, Alberta.

nah

it's US

[full nacelle]

I didn't even know

shit writes itself

[earnest bone]

[round gull]

[earnest bone]

is this what they are doing over there

[woven oak]

How does it hurt you to have it as an option?

[full nacelle]

nah see that seems fine to me

having the option isn't the problem

the more egrigious example would be the dialogue choice after the character "comes out"

and all 4 options are just different ways of saying "yas queen"

[earnest bone]

i'm curious about "new dialogue options" tho

[full nacelle]

nothing wrong with diversity and inclusion in gaming... all about how it's implemented

they did NOT implement it well

[earnest bone]

If they have the time for that, they could work on battle system, to me it's looks worse than Fable 1